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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 814</FONT>
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Relations between the U.S. and Russia are strained when Russian military leaders claim that the U.S. government has been compromised by the Goa'uld.

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Shipperahoy
January 11th, 2005, 11:57 AM
I think Full Alert is what you lucky UKers get next. It's hard to tell sometimes with the way the schedules get changed around but if you've seen Full Alert (or are an instiable spoileraholic such as myself ;) ) post away.

captianspiffy
January 11th, 2005, 12:01 PM
i just saw full alert, and i think for sure its one of season 8's most interesting and best episodes so far!!

lots of jack which is always nice to see after such a lack of him thus far groovy:)

Thor's Gunner
January 11th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Yeah just saw it and thought it was a good episode, full of some nice twists and surprises, but Kiensley isnt gone, you just know it, he's out therestill. It was obvious what they were going to do though it has to be said. Still great episode.

sshspooky
January 11th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Great episode. Kinsey being in it was good, and this really brings closure to The Trust storyline that quite a few episodes this season have been about, and opens up a whole new storyline with Kinsey being a Goa'uld to be a explored next year.

And yes I think for certain that Kinsey had escaped the ship before it got blown up.

nthanki
January 11th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Indeed it was Full Alert. And wow, everyone was on full alert in this ep.
It was a great episode with brilliant USA vs Russia ranglings, distrust etc.
O'neill featured quite a lot, as did the Prommie. It kicked Al'kesh ass!
All in all i think it was a GOOD earth based episode. Nuclear War was pretty close. :eek:
I can't write a review as Atlantis is on but I'm sure the usual suspects will write one.
Happy Spoilering!

Thor's Gunner
January 11th, 2005, 12:10 PM
Its good to see more of a few russian representatives though, Colonel Chekov is pretty cool actually, but this episode is going to bring some interesting stories to futures eps im sure.

Teal'c
January 11th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Great episode. Nothing better then seeing a Goa'ulded Kinsey :D

My only gripe is it ended a bit fast, could have done with some clearing up on how much of Russia's military was infiltrated by the Goa'uld. I also would have liked to know which Goa'uld they were serving :(

Mini-mini-summary:

Kinsey breaks into Jack's house. He convinces him that the Trust are trying to make a deal with Russia. They wire Kinsey and send him to meet with the Trust. The Trust bring out a box and show Kinsey, but we don't see it as SG-1's signal is being jammed. They go in and find the Trust beamed out with Kinsey.

Prometheus is launched to search for the cloaked Al'kesh in orbit. Daniel is sent to Russia to find out what's going on. Daniel is taken into custody there and a blood sample taken. He's shown a video of a Goa'ulded Kinsey, arrested for trying to assasinate Gen. Kiselov (sp?)

Russia goes to a high alert status and Daniel wants to meet with the Goa'ulded Kinsey. The US keep increasing their DEFCON status. Daniel meets with the Goa'uld and figures that he's working for the System Lords and that they want a war to break out on Earth, allowing them to come in and steal the Ancient weapon in Antarctica.

As Kiselov's men come for Daniel he grabs the Goa'uld and activates a transport beacon, beaming them aboard Prometheus. The Goa'ulded Trust in the Al'kesh decloak and attack Prometheus to take out Kinsey. Kinsey manages to escape and ring over to the Al'kesh. He shoots the Goa'ulded Jennings for trying to destroy him and grabs his hand device/transport activator.

Jack and Col. Checkov try to talk to the Russian president when they figure out that Gen. Kiselov has been Goa'ulded. Kiselov tries to launch a missile, but the president is able to stop his forces. Meanwhile the Goa'ulded Trust find Jennings dead on their ship. They try to escape but Col. Pendergast opens fire on the Al'kesh, destroying it.

Kinsey is missing, either killed in the explosion or beamed back down to Earth.

Lightning
January 11th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Funniest bit:
Teal'c ordered to the prommie
Carter has to go work on a new sensor program
and Daniel.......has dry cleaning to pick up :D

Thor's Gunner
January 11th, 2005, 12:30 PM
I disagree with that, Jack at the beginning was far funnier than that, you have three minutes before i shoot you, all that was great.

Teal'c i agree with you about it ending fast, last weeks did too, we never found out what happened to the PJ

Wass
January 11th, 2005, 12:33 PM
A good epsiode with some cool twists and good to see Jack

susanmary_1
January 11th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Kinsey as Goa'uld, excellent! I really enjoyed the episode, but agree that it just seemed to end very abrubtly. Daniel seems to have strong, bossy women falling at his feet lately. The interaction between Kinsey and the General at the begining was really funny. and did anyone notice that the surveillance vehicle had Mikita Computers stencilled on the side!

blufeenix
January 11th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Preety Good ep enjoyed the stuff with the phone at the start plus daniels interaction with the russian lass shes nice and so familier (what was she in I can't quite think of it)

Nice promethius stuff once again also it's nice to see that one of carters jobs seems to be to work the fax machine - jack probly cant work it lol.

Thor's Gunner
January 11th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Without Jack SG1 just isnt quite right, if you've notcied they've been trying to keep him in it, they have had mostly eps with him in as a key role really. We havent seen alot of offworld missions yet. Still i want to know who Kinsey is working for, very secretive episode i found, still as ive said great.

Whistler
January 11th, 2005, 01:06 PM
I loved this episode for the storyline, lots of Walter and nice little Gags (Such as Carter and Daniel spying inside a "Mikita Couriers" van (the director was Andy Mikita). And Jack saying "I must have missed an episode" :D, nice russia sets and DEFCON changes.

shelsfc
January 11th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Very good episode.

Great to see General Jack.

LOL, Mikita Couriers (I think that's what it was! And I believe the sheriff was called Andy...hmm... :p )

Daniel: And...I have dry cleaning to pick up. LOL!

Good that everyone had something to do, and very much enjoyed Kinsey & Chekov's roles in the story. Looking forward to finding out what happened to Kinsey. The Jack & Kinsey stuff at the start was hilarious!

And Daniel in a suit :D

Whistler
January 11th, 2005, 01:19 PM
And Daniel in a suit :D

...running round, on the Prometheus, with a Zat gun! :D lol

Calicto
January 11th, 2005, 01:32 PM
So the Trust have been completely Goa'uldified? Any explanations how?

Lightning
January 11th, 2005, 01:39 PM
when they went cruising in their Alkesh in big bad outer space without a cloak a Goa'uld ship got to them and their were captured

Taonas
January 11th, 2005, 01:59 PM
I think this episode proves again that (1) the rest of season 8 will be great and (2) season nine will be equally good.

I really liked this episode. Good humor, lot's of Jack (relatively speaking) and good action.


Any theories on the "hidden agenda"?

Sha're
January 11th, 2005, 02:06 PM
;) Okay, excellent episode. Liked the goa'uld infiltration of the Trust, but why would they allow Kinsey to drive off with them when they know the Trust has beaming technology? Wasn't the empty house a bit deja vu?
:p Minor gripe and not really important cos it was a brilliant episode, Kinsey/Jack scenes were great.

JackDaniels
January 11th, 2005, 02:12 PM
OOHH! what a great episode. I firstly have to say that I have been proven wrong. After the brilliant 'It's Good To Be King' last week, it thought we would be subjected to a week of O'Neill being away for no good reason. But it finally seems like they've got their act together in the second half of this season, and have found better ways to use RDA's reduced schedule, but still keeping O'Neill highly involved in the action.

Though i didn't like this episode as much as last week (becaused lets face it that was pure class) this episode was one of the strongest earth based episodes of the season and left a lot of possibilities open for the trust and kinsey and the Goa'uld they're working for. (Don't know about anyone else, but my money's actually on Anubis!). My fav parts listed below:

1. The 'Mikita Courier'
2. Daniel and his dry cleaning
3. Daniel with a zat gun on the Prometheus in his suit
4. Jack and Kinsey (even when they're being nice they're still so not!)
5. Jack on the phone to the russian president "when was the last time you saw Colonel Kiselev wearing his glasses?" - how lame did it sound basing their Goa'uld theory on the fact that he didn't have glasses on.
6. Solid proof that although Daniel can speak at least 23 languages, he can't speak all of them well! ("I guess we'll stick to English")

There are a couple of issues however.
1. I know most people, myself included think that Kinsey will still be alive, but how could he have possibly made it off the Alkesh. Guess the guy just won't die, like many other baddies.
2. More info needed on how Kiselev was got to.
3. How come the heads of the trust all seemed like 30 years younger than those we have previously seen (and what about the rest of them!?)
4. How come every woman Daniel meets seems to fancy him (not disagreeing though!) and seems to be so desperate to help him, and yet he stil hasn't got a girlfriend? She made it obvious straight away that she liked him, and was all "Daniel I'll get you out!" when he was taken. Love sick puppy - i think so.
5. Does Teal'c actually have a driving license, or just his practice from '1969'?

All in all a good eppy, and the unanswered questions and seemingly quick resolution, though a little annoying made the middle part of the story stronger as a result.

Oohh. Reckoning next week. Can't wait.

Ancients Rising
January 11th, 2005, 03:22 PM
No more Trust. Thank you thank you thank you :)

Kinsey....him being a Goa'uld...bet that doesn't last.

Generally a good ep this one and better than last week. It also had a more old-style SG-1 feel to it with Jack actually useful to the plot.

somme
January 11th, 2005, 04:19 PM
To be honest I found it a bit boring. Although for some reason I was expecting "Reckoning" which I am looking forward to, so I suppose anything would have been a bit of a downer.

I think the person who works the "flange" on the Goa'uld voices has lost it. It is starting to sound very tacky, and cheap, kind of how Apophis's voice was in "The Nox" episode. It wasn't "full" enough if you get me.

I liked the nuclear war part.

jburrows
January 11th, 2005, 05:47 PM
It was a good episode. Wish it showed the prometheous firing energy weapons not missles.

Well wondering how many goau'lds left on earth and how to get them all?

So far only way get to them would be we know asgards have sensors that if something has a goau'ld in it or not and maybe they can locate and beam them somewhere like prison or inside the sun. Also I suppose we could symbiote poisen the whole planet that would kill them all of them except the ones living in underground bunkers possibly.

Token
January 11th, 2005, 07:37 PM
I am definitely enjoying the second half of season 8 more than the first half. This episode was well done!! Kinsey as a Gou'ald was brilliant! I knew he had it in him. :p

Great dialogue! The plot kept me involved. However, the build up to "Reckoning" and "Moebius" is painstaking! :eek: I wanna know the end NOW!! ;) :D

I am already looking forward to the commentaries on the DVDs. (Hmmm....I wonder if I could get a price break if I only ordered the second half of 8. :rolleyes: )


I do have a question. If the Russian general was a Gou'ald and his right-hand man was a Gou'ald, then why did they take Daniel's blood? Any ideas?

the dancer of spaz
January 11th, 2005, 09:09 PM
To be honest I found it a bit boring. Although for some reason I was expecting "Reckoning" which I am looking forward to, so I suppose anything would have been a bit of a downer.

I think the person who works the "flange" on the Goa'uld voices has lost it. It is starting to sound very tacky, and cheap, kind of how Apophis's voice was in "The Nox" episode. It wasn't "full" enough if you get me.

I liked the nuclear war part.

Interesting that you should say that. Remember when there was a discussion on the fact that we hadn't seen the glowy eyes in a while, and then when we did, they looked weird (at least they look weird to me)? I don't like them. I know they're probably higher-tech looking now or something, considering the advances that the show has made, but the glowy eyes of yore are WAY better. ;) I'm wondering if the voices met the same fate or something...

Dana_Jeanne
January 11th, 2005, 10:11 PM
I thought it was very boring for the most part--way to much exposition and not enough action. The scenes in Russia were a pretty good mix, but the stuff back at the SGC was dull.

We went to Defcon 1-- big deal, we know nothing's going to happen and everything will be all right at the end. There was really no urgency to anything.

Speaking of the end-- what's with that abrupt dead stop? They run out of time or something?

I probably sound like a broken record at times but this is just NOT Stargate anymore. It's more like... space pirates or something.

Another disappointment. This was more of a Tell rather than a Show.

The good bits? Jack didn't act like an idiot. Daniel was HOT in that suit, but... he's talking way way WAY too fast.

Oh--- I'm glad they had the Russians speaking Russian rather than English!
Dana Jeanne

Stargate Agent
January 11th, 2005, 10:30 PM
Terrible episode!!!! SG-1 is steadily going downhill. The storyline quality is getting really poor. I am thinking getting rid of my satellite stations in europe, the only reason i got them was to watch SG-1 early.

O'Neill is not on SG-1 anymore and the show is suffering badly. I was hoping the show wouldn't end like this, the show is gonna end with many badly written stories after it. Too bad cuz it is better to end a show when it is doing good than drive it into the ground...

This episode was so boring i could cry!! It ended so quickly with an incredibly stupid ending with no purpose whatsoever. Arghh i am just upset that this show was once great now it is getting disappointing week after week (although "its good to be king" was pretty good i have to admit...)

If you want good character development and exciting stories WATCH ATLANTIS it is doing a lot better than SG-1 at the moment.

Madeleine
January 11th, 2005, 10:46 PM
Mr W loved it, he said it was great cos Stuff Really Happened. I can't argue with that. Does it make any sense at all for me to say that it was a good ep but I didn't really like it? I mean, it had action, humour, continuity, surprises, lots of stuff that was a Really Big Deal... ie plenty of great ingredients. And yet I have little desire to see it again, which is really unusual for me.

I did like Kinsey's role in this one though - another rarity. I felt he got given a lot of depth (in his swansong ep! the irony!), and he was interesting cos whereas before I always thought that he was posturing and speechifying whenever he spoke about the Stargate Programme or US security this time I got the feeling he meant it.

I guessed what was in the box, and it was easilly the most thrilling part of the ep. Ronny Cox gets top marks for acting in this ep, and especially in that scene.

Buzz Lightyear
January 11th, 2005, 10:54 PM
I do have a question. If the Russian general was a Gou'ald and his right-hand man was a Gou'ald, then why did they take Daniel's blood? Any ideas?

The Russian colonel had ties to the Trust but that doesn't automatically mean he has a symbiote in him. It just means the Trust could get to Kiselov very easily. Or maybe they were just putting on a show for the benefit of everyone else, to reinforce their charge that they believed the American leadership had been compromised by the Goa'uld.

AlphaBlu
January 12th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Wow... Jack was in a lot of this episode. In the extended Lowdown that came with my Season 7 boxed said, RDA, when talking about his schedual said:

"I've seen some of the later scripts and I'm wall to wall [in them], so I don't know how [we're going to make them]."

Maybe this is an example of a Stargate episode that's Jack-Heavy.

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode. It had lots of plots running along, the end of the Trust (went out with a bang! Heh!), lots of Jack and just continued the storyline that's been building this Season very well. And Goa'uld Kinsey! That could be interesting.

Only two things bugged me:

Lionel Pendergast and "Comm. Officer". Damn it, I want Col. Ronson and Maj. Gant back!

The ending. It just kinda... stopped. It was VERY quick.

BYE

lordvader
January 12th, 2005, 02:18 AM
You know, for an episode of Stargate that had little to do with the Stargate, this was a great episode!
A homage to "The Sum of All Fears". I dunno why, but anything to do with the world being on the brink of nuclear war is really entertaining (probably because TV's the only medium we can enjoy that sort of thing ...).

Imzadi
January 12th, 2005, 02:27 AM
This was a weird ep. It wasn't awesome, but wasn't terrible, wasn't good, but wasn't bad. It was just...there.

I enjoyed the scene between Jack and Kinsey at Jack's place and Kinsey, Sam and Daniel in the van ("Take off your belt" :p). Kinsey's 'eye glow' looked wrong, and the Goa'uld voiced seemed different somehow :confused:. Also, the ending felt rushed.

Maybe this seemed disapointing because I found 'It's Good To Be King' so enjoyable, or because I have such high expectations for the latter episodes of Season 8 (I don't know why, i'm sure i'll just be disapointed :()

TheWarrior
January 12th, 2005, 02:36 AM
An Earth based mission that I enjoyed.

This surprised me alot - it was a very interesting episode and the last six episodes look great as well.

The first scene was great - O'Neill and Kinsey, the way Kinsey pulls the phone line so then Jack gets out his mobile instead to phone the Sheriff.

Daniel thinking he wasn't needed so he would go and get his dry cleaning!

I liked the interaction between Daniel and the Russian Woman - as someone already said Daniel seems to be getting all the ladies attention lately. I liked the bit when Daniel said her English was good and she asked in Russian how good was his Russian and he answers in not so perfect Russian so the woman then says "We'll stick to English".

Good to see O'Neill and Chekov sort of getting along - those two are never friendly and there was some tension but they worked well together.

Surprised Major Davis wasn't in this one - this episode seemed suited to him.

Good to see the same crew on Prometheus - two questions regarding that thoe is A: Why weren't the shields up in the first place - there is a cloacked enemy ship so you would have shields up ready! B: Where did Daniel get the beam device from and how he get beamed to the Bridge and not the mess!

One last question - where did Kinsey beam down to! The device only works short distances so he must be back on Earth.

Buzz Lightyear
January 12th, 2005, 02:51 AM
In the Things-That-Make-You-Go-Hmm category, I was just wondering if it was standard practice for a brigadier-general to be carrying a concealed hand gun when going out for groceries at the local supermarket.

samjack4ever
January 12th, 2005, 03:22 AM
In the Things-That-Make-You-Go-Hmm category, I was just wondering if it was standard practice for a brigadier-general to be carrying a concealed hand gun when going out for groceries at the local supermarket.

I said the exact same thing when Jack pulled the gun out of the back of his jeans... also did you notice just how much beer he bought... :S

Albion
January 12th, 2005, 03:32 AM
Well, don't have much time to register my opinion, but just time enough to say that I really, really enjoyed this episode.

First of all, it was great to see Jack being completely Jack in this one. If that makes sense. Not just One Liner Jack or Constipated-In-The-Briefing Room- Jack (what is it with that stock expression he uses in the Briefing Room these days that seems to be the only expression he's got?) but the Jack we know and love who can take a crisis in his stride and be serious and determined when the situation calls for it. A fully engaged, completely animated Jack. How wonderful to see his return.

Of course, he hadn't lost his sense of humour in between times - perfect balance. Can we have more of this please?

The teaser was an absolute joy. Laughed out loud at Jack pretending Kinsey had stymied him by pulling out the phone lead - then casually taking his cell out of his pocket and starting again. ROTFL! And there was so much wonderful banter between him and Kinsey in that scene. Also, nice little touch of throwaway detail - the kind of thing I really love to see - where we learn that Jack and his good buddy, Andy the local sheriff, play poker.

I almost fell off the chair laughing at "Five bucks, Carter has a theory!" and "Yeah, well, we're under new management." :p And the Briefing Room conversation with Teal'c being assigned to the Prometheus, the banter over Carter's suggestion for the search program and finally the great interaction with Daniel and Jack (especially Daniel casually looking around as he waited for Jack to dismiss him and then deciding it was time for him to pick up his dry cleaning) was an absolute joy to watch. Oh and how could I forget, "If you don't do what they want, they'll kill you. If you don't do what we want...we'll let them."

Generally speaking, the great thing about this one too was the air of tension throughout. Something which I thought was lacking in last week's episode. (I enjoyed IGTBK a lot, but felt that the Jaffa these days just don't inspire the same tension they used to and were pretty much a non-threat). This week, there was a real air of danger and threat. Loved the solution to dealing with the Alkesh and the Trust members escaping back in Endgame - how inventive that they were caught by the Go'auld and turned into hosts. Now there's irony for you! LOL. Kudos to the writers there.

I enjoyed the team getting down and dirty - Daniel and Carter doing the surveillance, Daniel in Russia was a delight, especially his interaction with Daria ("Language!"). Only poor Teal'c was short-changed really.

Yup, this one's already a firm favourite and one I'll watch a time or two (or maybe more ;) ) again.


also did you notice just how much beer he bought...

Well, he was providing the beer for the poker night, remember. <g>

Oh and how nice too that even though they thought this was the last season they didn't kill off Kinsey on screen, but left it open-ended. Can't see it taking much writing talent to bring him back in S9 if they want to. Yay! <G> Kinsey, back on Earth, with a Go'auld hand device. Spooky.

Albion :)

Lightning
January 12th, 2005, 03:37 AM
well he does have a poker night on friday with some guys, I don't think hes turned to being an alcoholic just yet :)

shelsfc
January 12th, 2005, 04:11 AM
In the Things-That-Make-You-Go-Hmm category, I was just wondering if it was standard practice for a brigadier-general to be carrying a concealed hand gun when going out for groceries at the local supermarket.

I thought that was...odd too. Here's my theory: Jack left his gun in his car for some reason, and realised it was there when he got in after doing his shopping. He put the gun in his pocket so he would remember to bring it with him when he was getting out of the car, and so it was conveniently there for him when he found his front door open.

I realise that Jack is the last person who would be careless with where he leaves a gun but it's the only thing I could come up with...unless he is really really paranoid...

I'm putting too much thought into this.

Hatcheter
January 12th, 2005, 04:30 AM
Lionel Pendergast and "Comm. Officer". Damn it, I want Col. Ronson and Maj. Gant back!

I don't mind the new CO, but I'll second the motion to bring back Major Gant.

Overall, it was another good ep. A nice flashback to good old cold war paronia flicks, such as Wargames. (One of my favorite movies as a kid. I haven't seen it in forever, I think I'm gonna have to rent it.)

The ending was way to rushed, though. There was plenty of repercussions from all this, that they could have touched on. They should have at least had a discussion about how Kinsey was missing, or something.

Though now that I think about it, they probably think he was still on board the Al'kesh when it was destroyed. Hmm... story fodder for next season. Goa'uld Kinsey suddenly shows up, trying to do something terrible, and it's up to SG-1 (sans O'Neill) to stop him.

Hatcheter
January 12th, 2005, 04:34 AM
I thought that was...odd too. Here's my theory: Jack left his gun in his car for some reason, and realised it was there when he got in after doing his shopping. He put the gun in his pocket so he would remember to bring it with him when he was getting out of the car, and so it was conveniently there for him when he found his front door open.

I realise that Jack is the last person who would be careless with where he leaves a gun but it's the only thing I could come up with...unless he is really really paranoid...

I'm putting too much thought into this.

He's the CO of the most secret, most important base on earth, and has made a lot of enemies over the years. With the Trust still operating, I think it makes sense for him to be on guard whenever he is out of the base.

AnUbIs2004
January 12th, 2005, 05:16 AM
Excellent episode, especially for one of the earth-based outside the SGC ones. Actually, I think it may be the best one so far. Best part was the mystery and intrigue that kept us guessing somewhat throughout the ep what was really going on. Although I did suspect at the begining the when they opened the suitcase there was a symbiote inside. Never thought the "entire" trust was comprimised.

Also, the Russian soldier assigned to assist Dr. Jackson, WOW! I thought she was one of the most attractive woman SG-1 has had in a long time. Now, wouldn't it be great (for me that is) if she became a regular on SG-1 :D . Sg-1 has never been a sex-appeal show as say Andromeda is (where all the guys are shirtless and all the woman have cleavage down to their toenails). Aside from Hathor I never was all that attracted to any of the woman on Stargate, until now that is.

Lastly, I am surprise by the sentiment of some that this was the worst ep. show should end, S9 is going to suck, etc. etc. Personally, the direction they have taken the last couple of eps is any indication, then S9 is looking real good right now.

Oh, did I mention how much I liked how the Prometheus kicked some @$$ over a Gou'ald alkesh? Love those space scenes.

somme
January 12th, 2005, 05:40 AM
I started re-watching the episode, but I fell asleep. :(

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 12th, 2005, 05:55 AM
Oof! Pretty tense stuff.

The ep was a little slow at first but the tension, once it started to build, grew quickly. I've been keeping relatively clear of spoilers, and though I knew Kinsey would be a Goa'uld, I didn't know the how and why of it. That helped make the ep a nail-biter, for me.

Daniel had a terrific part in this ep, and so did the Russian Captain. "Okay, we'll stick to english, then." Priceless! :p :p :p
I hope she's okay! I hope they didn't snake her....

I wonder if Anubis is behind all this. The sound, as usual, was lousy(must be my speakers, right? :( ) but it sounded like his voice telling buddy to blow up the Prometheus with Kinsey on board. (That's okay, I really, really don't want to know, so if it is the case and you want to share, please put that into spoiler space? Thanks)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 12th, 2005, 06:12 AM
A: Why weren't the shields up in the first place - there is a cloacked enemy ship so you would have shields up ready!

<shrugs> Maybe keeping shields up constantly is too much of an energy drain? (or more likely)Every ship commander wants to say, "Activate shields!" :)


B: Where did Daniel get the beam device from and how he get beamed to the Bridge and not the mess!

Yeah, where did he get that? Did Sam pick it up off the guy she K-Oed at the end of Endgame?

[/QOUTE]One last question - where did Kinsey beam down to![/QUOTE]

He'll be baack! :D :D :D

Davinder
January 12th, 2005, 06:31 AM
They explained in endgame that the prommie had asgard transporters but not sensors. If they activated their 'transport activation becons (otherwise known as pagers! ), the prometheus can beam them up.

The reason they are beamed to bridge and not the ring room or mess hall is purely dramatic :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 12th, 2005, 06:37 AM
They explained in endgame that the prommie had asgard transporters but not sensors. If they activated their 'transport activation becons (otherwise known as pagers! ), the prometheus can beam them up.


So they took a hint from the Trust and built transport sensors. <nods>Makes sense.

Wass
January 12th, 2005, 06:41 AM
Although it was never mentioned it is pretty clear they were working for Anubis. The episode had some good twist but were predictable, great to see Jack and the Russians. Overall not bad episode finally put to rest the whole trust business but the mystery remains did Kinsey die or did he manage to get away.

Anubis
January 12th, 2005, 07:01 AM
Great episode. :P


I wasn't thinking much of the storyline for this plot, though it turned out pretty cool. :D I liked the early scene in the briefing room where everyone goes off to do something .. except Daniel who finds out he's going to Russia. :P Then scenes between Daniel and the Russian Military Officer were cool, where Daniel speaks a little Russian and she says "We'll stick with english."

Despite personally thinking that Kinsey should have gone from the show, I was surprised at how many times it tried to convince you he'd gone and come back again -- it was to no surprise he'd been taken host by a Gou'ald, just adds to the evilness. ;)

The involvment between the US/Russia was a good plot, and the interaction of Jack in this episode was pretty cool. :) Surprisingly enough, there was a lot of Jack in this episode. :D

I cannot remember correctly, I was watching ad couldn't remember correctly if Kinsey did survive. Did he escape from the ship? I'll re-watch tonight and see if he does, and if he did -- where did he escape to?

aAnubiSs
January 12th, 2005, 07:02 AM
You know they should've taken Daniel as a host. That way they would've gotten Atlantis' location and the information if the outpost's weapons were online.

Davinder
January 12th, 2005, 07:07 AM
Another thing:

I never realised how much Russia looked like British Columbia. :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 12th, 2005, 08:03 AM
Another thing:

I never realised how much Russia looked like British Columbia. :)

Whadda ya expect; other planets look like British Colombia. :p

JackDaniels
January 12th, 2005, 08:25 AM
You know they should've taken Daniel as a host. That way they would've gotten Atlantis' location and the information if the outpost's weapons were online.

This is a very good point. One i hadn't considered. The russians were already convinced that the american administration had been compromised, what would have been better than to convince them that the SGC had been compromised too. This probably would have made the action move a lot faster too.

Also have to agree that the Goa'uld flashing eyes and voices are getting lamer. Noticed it for the first time with Daniel's eyes in Avatar and it was the same in this ep. Make it like it was!

Citizen Joe next week people! oohh!

Buzz Lightyear
January 12th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Another thing:

I never realised how much Russia looked like British Columbia. :)

Actually, B.C. has some of the most diverse terrain within a relatively small area. And I'm sure there are actually lots of wilderness regions in Russia that will resemble B.C. (or much of Canada, for that matter, having similar climate and all).

Token
January 12th, 2005, 10:51 AM
The Russian colonel had ties to the Trust but that doesn't automatically mean he has a symbiote in him. It just means the Trust could get to Kiselov very easily. Or maybe they were just putting on a show for the benefit of everyone else, to reinforce their charge that they believed the American leadership had been compromised by the Goa'uld.

As bad as the Trust seems to be, it is my understanding that the Trust wanted the Gou'ald dead by any means necessary. I gleened from this episode that all of the Trust had been compromised as well as anyone else needed in the plot to incite WWIII. IMO, I can't see a high-ranking, non-Gou'alded Trust member knowingly putting a Gou'ald in a position of power and control of thermonuclear weapons. I assumed the Russian colonel and Kiselov were both Gou'ald. Maybe "Reckoning" will clarify these issues.

Even if the Russian colonel was not a Gou'ald, I don't remember ever hearing about a blood test that tests for Gou'ald infestation. Could they have been checking for the Ancient gene?

darman
January 12th, 2005, 11:28 AM
good action...lots of humor(walter reading that information, and jack just leaving..the look on his face :( , lol)..nice to see teal'c joining the swat team ;)...personally was really cool see the russian captain with female version of my name..since seeing prometheus unbound and full alert, one annoying thing is that every idiot that stumbles unto prometheus seems to be able to use its rings...how about we setup some activation code type deal

Crazedwraith
January 12th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Sweet.
Buids nicely from Desperate Measures, Affinty, Conveant and Endgame. Nice to seek Jack wasn;t be a complete ass towards Chekov. Kinsey as goa'uld well thats been a fanbioy dream since season 1 was he supposed to have escaped the Al'kesh or what?

It seems thee tok'ra poison is at the end of its vaibillty now that the sytem lord have it they can properly make themselves immune.

Whitster
January 12th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Another thing:

I never realised how much Russia looked like British Columbia. :)

Did you not see the stock footage of Moscow or as it was pronounced in this ep all the time Moss-cow. :D

darman
January 12th, 2005, 02:44 PM
Did you not see the stock footage of Moscow or as it was pronounced in this ep all the time Moss-cow. :D

yeah...in U.S. that's actually how it's pronounced...

jantreeuk1
January 12th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Great episode. :P



I cannot remember correctly, I was watching ad couldn't remember correctly if Kinsey did survive. Did he escape from the ship? I'll re-watch tonight and see if he does, and if he did -- where did he escape to?

Yes Kinsey took the wrist device and I would presume beamed down to Earth as Osiris once did.

For those saying it had an abrupt ending so did Double Jeopardy and that led to two great episodes Exodus and Enemies. Full Alert has obviously laid the grounding for Reckoning.
I've an idea send Teal'c off world and release the poison over Russia just to clear up any left over Goa'ulds.

mancslad08
January 12th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Lionel Pendergast and "Comm. Officer". Damn it, I want Col. Ronson and Maj. Gant back!

Are you kidding?? Col Ronson was the worst actor SG-1 have EVER had!! He was awful in Memento!!!

Good episode though, as much as I HATED the beginning of this season, it's definately been picking up very well since Endgame.

DelTrax1
January 12th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Well ...where to start. Where is the Anceint ship from It's Good To Be King? That has a cloaking device and probably has good enough sensors to find a Cloaked ship. Now I am definitely stoked that they got rid of the Trust. Or did they. It is true that Kinsey did get away. How? We don't really know. My first thougthts were that he ringed back to Prometheous. Apparently he didn't. So He probably is on Earth somewhere. And of course no one will know this until a future episode. So.....does that mean that the Trust is done? Probably not.

2nd..... Now we know that the Trust was all Gou'alds now. Which ones were they? I am sure that they are Gou'alds we would have know. And it makes you wonder why they did not release that Gou'ald killer on Earth since Teal'c is on Prometheous.......And know that I think about it ...it doesn't matter because Teal'c doesn't have a symbiote anymore. All together the episode was good but left a lot of wholes.

Anyone think the same thing?

Dana_Jeanne
January 12th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Well, some rude person gave me a red square for my post on this episode-- does anyone know what "STFU" means? I can kind of guess the last two aren't printable on a family forum, but I don't get the ST. And since the person didn't bother to sign their name, I can't ask them!

Dana Jeanne

Ugly Pig
January 12th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Allrighty, better get this all typed up and posted so that I can go online and see what everybody else thought...


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Full Alert'

I'm kinda sleepy and all, so I don't trust my own feelings about the episode until I've seen it again in a more aware state. Right now I'm thinking it's sligthly above avarage. It started out kind of slow, although I did like Kinsey just showing up at Jack's place. The nerve of that guy! I must admit, though, that it did feel somewhat out of character for him. Kinsey hates Jack with a vengeance. It's not entirely believeable that he'd go to Jack for help or whatever, just to get back at the Trust. Especially when taken into consideration that Jack is much more responsible for his downfall than them.

The episode gets more interesting, and the tension rises as the situation escalates. And then, of course, it's resolved and the episode ends. More abruptly than any other Stargate episode so far. Oh well.

So... The Trust. I guess it's fair to assume they were all Goa'ulded. Is it also fair to assume that they're basically done for after the events in the episode? Were all the remaining operatives on board the al'kesh when it blew? At the very least, it only makes sense that there'd be none left on Earth. After all, they were planning on making everyone on the planet blow each other up.

What about Goa'uld!Kinsey, then? Did he blow up with the ship, or (since we didn't see him for a while before it happened) did he escape? The al'kesh did have asgard beaming technology, right? Boy, do I sound clueless! Well, I'm gonna take a guess and say that perhaps the writers left it open in the hopes of finding a use for the character should the show be renewed for another season.

Other than that, I liked to see Colonel Chekov again. It's been a long time since we last saw him and he's more of a sympathetic character now.

On a scale from Pig Puke to Piggy's Thumbs Up (where Pig Puke is lowest... probably, I haven't worked out all the dirty details) 'Full Alert' gets a "meh..." and a half.

Whistler
January 12th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Well, some rude person gave me a red square for my post on this episode-- does anyone know what "STFU" means? I can kind of guess the last two aren't printable on a family forum, but I don't get the ST. And since the person didn't bother to sign their name, I can't ask them!

Dana Jeanne

ST means "Shut the...", when I first saw that insult I thought it meant "Stuff you", I was surprised to learn it's true meaning.

DelTrax1
January 12th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Well, some rude person gave me a red square for my post on this episode-- does anyone know what "STFU" means? I can kind of guess the last two aren't printable on a family forum, but I don't get the ST. And since the person didn't bother to sign their name, I can't ask them!

Dana Jeanne

That sucks.....I got one from a mod for being off subject. I must have read the post wrong. See....I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again. I am dislexit ( or how ever you spell it.) So....anyways that isn't right. I read your post and it didn't seem bad. I think that we all get our own opinions whether someone likes it or not. I can't say that you will like everything I have to say but then as long as I am not bashing you then there shouldn't be a problem. To everyone that reads......make sure that you are being kind to the other users. A negative to me is something I will never give to someone unless I think what they typed is completely wrong to everyone. Lets be kind and try and all get along.

mathwizard
January 12th, 2005, 06:21 PM
Even if the Russian colonel was not a Gou'ald, I don't remember ever hearing about a blood test that tests for Gou'ald infestation. Could they have been checking for the Ancient gene?

How about testing for the presence of naquadah?

Lt. Elliot
January 12th, 2005, 06:21 PM
Finally saw this episode today. The time difference between here and Britain affects my you-know-what-ing. Some things I liked and didn't like.
Things I Liked:
1. Jack had a significant role in this episode. Nothing like seeing Jack again!
2. We got to see the Prommie in action. It was nice to see it destroy that Al'kesh.
3. Daniel and the Russian lady was funny. She was pretty bossy, telling him he'd acquire the taste for whatever that food was. She was hilarious!
4. Kinsey as a Goa'uld was a shocker (except I saw the spoilers, so wasn't that big!)
5. Seeing Teal'c on a SWAT team made me happy! Didn't know he could drive.

Things I Didn't Like:
1. Going to Def-Con 1 didn't seem to make that much sense. I mean, personally, I didn't care what alert status we were. If they had wasted less time talking about their alert status, they could have added at least 2 minutes into the episode.
2. The Russians and the Goa'uld situation seemed very unsettling to me. I agree with what somewhat said about if the General was compromised, his right-hand man would have been. But they insisted on taking Daniel's blood.
3. Kinsey's glowing eyes and Goa'uld voice wasn't the same. It almost looked like his eyes were red instead of the yellowish/gold color - but it may have been from seeing it through two TV's.
4. Walter's constant updates got annoying, but nice to see Chevron Guy!!
5. Why did Daniel transport out of the prison? Like they said, doesn't that basically show the SGC is compromised....which they aren't though.

Good Quotes/Moments:
1. The whole thing between Daniel and the Russian woman about the food that didn't didn't like and their Russian conversation.
2. "I bet you 5 bucks Carter has a theory"
3. Daniel ringing in aboard the Prommie
4. Seeing the Prommie in action
5. "I have to go get my dry-cleaning" "You're leaving for Russia in 30 minutes"

All in all, I give "Full Alert" a 8/10 for some slow moments, but overall exciting, suspenseful, and action-packed (at times). :D

Major Tyler
January 12th, 2005, 06:30 PM
I've an idea send Teal'c off world and release the poison over Russia just to clear up any left over Goa'ulds.That's a great idea! But they should do it all over Earth just to be sure. Oh, and Teal'c would be fine, he no longer has a symbiote.

kryon22
January 12th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Even if the Russian colonel was not a Gou'ald, I don't remember ever hearing about a blood test that tests for Gou'ald infestation. Could they have been checking for the Ancient gene?

Well, thinking about stuff in a logical fashion, it would make sense that biomedical research details of the Goa'uld and their physiology would be shared amongst the countries in on the stargate secret as part of their ongoing agreement to share intel and military efforts. Remember that the SGC and Area 51 have made a lot of progress in their knowledge of Goa'uld physiology, including the changes that might be exerted on the host, biochemically. For instance, the immune response can be subverted and various circulating cytokine or chemokines could have their normal levels elevated or suppressed to accomodate the presence of the symbiote. Maybe even looking for elevated levels of Goa'uld-specific antigens in the blood is also possible as a diagnostic aid.

kryon22
January 12th, 2005, 06:39 PM
That's a great idea! But they should do it all over Earth just to be sure. Oh, and Teal'c would be fine, he no longer has a symbiote.

There are a few major problems with that idea. First up, we don't know how many symbiotes are wagging their tails in hosts on earth and more importantly, who they're in. Remember that dying Goa'uld symbiotes take their hosts with them by releasing a biochemical poison that the host cannot tolerate. What if important businessmen or political figures suddenly started keeling over? The media furor over this would inevitably lead to public revelation of the stargate project. That would be a big no no.

Also ethically, the host, as we often know are generally unwilling ones. Releasing the symbiote poison over Earth is in effect a death sentence for the host as well. I don't think they deserve that kind of fate. It's just as morally objectionable as using the symbiote poison against the Jaffa armies of the enemy System Lords. Why? Because, just like every other biological or chemical agent of warfare, the killing power is indiscriminate beyond belief. And not to mention really hard to control.

DelTrax1
January 12th, 2005, 06:49 PM
There are a few major problems with that idea. First up, we don't know how many symbiotes are wagging their tails in hosts on earth and more importantly, who they're in. Remember that dying Goa'uld symbiotes take their hosts with them by releasing a biochemical poison that the host cannot tolerate. What if important businessmen or political figures suddenly started keeling over? The media furor over this would inevitably lead to public revelation of the stargate project. That would be a big no no.

Also ethically, the host, as we often know are generally unwilling ones. Releasing the symbiote poison over Earth is in effect a death sentence for the host as well. I don't think they deserve that kind of fate. It's just as morally objectionable as using the symbiote poison against the Jaffa armies of the enemy System Lords. Why? Because, just like every other biological or chemical agent of warfare, the killing power is indiscriminate beyond belief. And not to mention really hard to control.




I don't think that it would be hard to make a good cover on people dieing.....Knowing Gou'ald they wouldn't sit around working when they could have someone worship them.

And if someone was a Gou'ald on Earth I don't think we would have any problem killing them off. It is all about keeping Earth safe.

Token
January 12th, 2005, 06:53 PM
How about testing for the presence of naquadah?

I thought about that, but is the naquadah present in the host's blood while the symbiote is still alive?

Token
January 12th, 2005, 06:56 PM
Well, thinking about stuff in a logical fashion, it would make sense that biomedical research details of the Goa'uld and their physiology would be shared amongst the countries in on the stargate secret as part of their ongoing agreement to share intel and military efforts. Remember that the SGC and Area 51 have made a lot of progress in their knowledge of Goa'uld physiology, including the changes that might be exerted on the host, biochemically. For instance, the immune response can be subverted and various circulating cytokine or chemokines could have their normal levels elevated or suppressed to accomodate the presence of the symbiote. Maybe even looking for elevated levels of Goa'uld-specific antigens in the blood is also possible as a diagnostic aid.

Good thoughts!

Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.

kryon22
January 12th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Good thoughts!

Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.

Nope, not specifically. As far as I remember from all the more biological/medical slanted stories, they used MRIs to physically visualize the presence of the symbiote. But MRIs are expensive and limited in deployability. Having blood samples shipped off for Western Blot or polymerase chain reaction (DNA) diagnostics, seems a more logistically sound approach. And probably better for cover stories too, i'd think.

For Area 51 to backwards engineer and refine the symbiote poison from Tok'Ra data also means that Earth's knowledge of Goa'uld physiology is impressive enough to be able to devise biochemical tests for the express purpose of detection.

kryon22
January 12th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I don't think that it would be hard to make a good cover on people dieing.....Knowing Gou'ald they wouldn't sit around working when they could have someone worship them.

And if someone was a Gou'ald on Earth I don't think we would have any problem killing them off. It is all about keeping Earth safe.

Ok...having said that, put yourself in the host's shoes. I'm sure you would be an unwilling host. And if someone decided to pull the plug on you because you were deemed a security risk, but through no fault of your own, wouldn't you object?

As for keeping Earth safe, by sacrificing whatever morals we can lay claim to, for the "greater good," we might as well be saying that we condone all forms of warfare, including performing acts, specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I know in practice, morals are often the first thing to fly out the window, but we run the risk of being as bad as the Goa'uld if we ever go down that path. Even the Tok'Ra agreed to stay their hand and not use the poison initially. I suspect with the massive movement in the jaffa rebellion, they will be even less motivated to use mass dispersal means to spread the poison. They might probably develop an ingestible version of it. Who knows?

DelTrax1
January 12th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Good thoughts!

Is there anything is Stargate canon that states that a blood test can identify someone as a Gou'ald? I was still under the impression it was only determined by CT-scan.

Once you become a host you get naqueda (bad spelling) in your blood. That is how Carter can tell if someone is a Gou'ald.

kryon22
January 12th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Once you become a host you get naqueda (bad spelling) in your blood. That is how Carter can tell if someone is a Gou'ald.

Personally, I think the physiology is a little more complicated than that. Remember that Carter only started exhibiting the ability to use Goa'uld technology on her own because the Naquadah in her system remained there after Jolinar died and was absorbed into her system. I suspect that Naquadah, like most heavy metals tend to stay lodged in a biological system and build up. As for how it enables Goa'uld-ed hosts to use Naquadah-based technology, that one remains up in the air (although i think that if the element itself were tied into specific pathway reactions in their cellular makeup like being part of co-factors or enzyme-coupled composition it might lend an air of plausability in theories going around). We've seen evidence of this repeating itself in other former hosts (remember Kendra in Thor's Hammer?). As for detecting Goa'uld, it's not easy to rely on intuition and molecular resonance feelings. Just imagine the thousands of people you'd have to come into close proximity with to suss them out. And that's assuming the Goa'uld doesn't suss you out first and make a bolt for it.

Major Tyler
January 12th, 2005, 07:36 PM
Ok...having said that, put yourself in the host's shoes. I'm sure you would be an unwilling host. And if someone decided to pull the plug on you because you were deemed a security risk, but through no fault of your own, wouldn't you object?

As for keeping Earth safe, by sacrificing whatever morals we can lay claim to, for the "greater good," we might as well be saying that we condone all forms of warfare, including performing acts, specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I know in practice, morals are often the first thing to fly out the window, but we run the risk of being as bad as the Goa'uld if we ever go down that path. Even the Tok'Ra agreed to stay their hand and not use the poison initially. I suspect with the massive movement in the jaffa rebellion, they will be even less motivated to use mass dispersal means to spread the poison. They might probably develop an ingestible version of it. Who knows?When it comes down to it, and the choice becomes "us or them," I choose us.

DelTrax1
January 12th, 2005, 07:42 PM
When it comes down to it, and the choice becomes "us or them," I choose us.

I also agree. We have to look after the whole. Understandablely that sounds harsh but that is the way we would have to do it.

Madeleine
January 12th, 2005, 07:53 PM
That sucks.....I got one from a mod for being off subject.

No you didn't. You got one from someone who signed themselves "a mod". Goodness knows that as long as MC is a mod and certainly as long as I am a mod the Mods will have no right to actually *red* anyone for being OT ;)

I'm off to show A Certain Someone what happens when they sign a red rep with a false sig... :eek:

Rag Doll
January 12th, 2005, 08:38 PM
So was the Russian Defence Secretary a goau'ld or just close friends with The Trust? I missed that.

Brassguy
January 12th, 2005, 09:09 PM
anyone else think that it was a bit weird that Kinsey the gould was taken being taken to his cell by two measely inept guys.

they had their guns IN THEIR HOLSTERS.


Goulds are powerful, even without the distraction he could have easily escaped.


why no one behind him pointing a gun at him?


Many people, including teal'c have guns and zats pointed at him when he is ringed up.


Then, he is escorted by two guys with guns not at the ready??

Makes no sense.

DelTrax1
January 12th, 2005, 10:12 PM
So was the Russian Defence Secretary a goau'ld or just close friends with The Trust? I missed that.

Never said .....or did they.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 13th, 2005, 06:02 AM
I also agree. We have to look after the whole. Understandablely that sounds harsh but that is the way we would have to do it.

While I'm not a break-the-whole-dozen-to-make-a-two-egg-omelet, type, I do think that there may be some justification in taking such a drastic measure in this case.

1) There may be hundreds of Goa'uld-ed people in key positions on Earth. One such blended man Kiselev, almost brought on the instant deaths of millions of people, not to mention the horrible lingering deaths of millions of others and the total disruption of society as we know it.

2)The apparent fact that Kiselev was taken as a host but his right-hand man was not tells me that the Goa'uld are being very selective in who they take, and frankly, if people of hard-liner Kiselev's and Kinsey's ilk are their prefered hosts, then, welllll... I just don't see myself mourning the loss of this sort of people... cruel and heartless? I dunno. Is it?

Teal'c
January 13th, 2005, 06:52 AM
Although it was never mentioned it is pretty clear they were working for Anubis. The episode had some good twist but were predictable, great to see Jack and the Russians. Overall not bad episode finally put to rest the whole trust business but the mystery remains did Kinsey die or did he manage to get away.
Holy chestnuts! How did I not figure that out? :P

Teal'c
January 13th, 2005, 06:58 AM
Never said .....or did they.
The Goa'ulded Kinsey's way out was the Goa'uld in Kiselev.

Dana_Jeanne
January 13th, 2005, 07:40 AM
ST means "Shut the...", when I first saw that insult I thought it meant "Stuff you", I was surprised to learn it's true meaning.

LOL. Thank you.

I still am not fond of Full Alert ;)

Dana Jeanne

MajorSam
January 13th, 2005, 08:00 AM
My take on this episode! Sorry if it's all been said before.

Likes:
I personally thought there was a lot of humour in this ep, ie)

-5 Bucks says Carter has a theory!
-I'm going to pick up my drycleaning!
-The entire first scene with Daria or whatever that Russian Colonel chick was named. I LOVED her! aaah, it just made my day! "I too am pleasantly suprised!" Who wouldn't be by Daniel in a tux?
-All the Jack stuff, I always love seeing him with Kinsey as well, how he just picked up the phone so obvious "i'm calling the sherriff!" HAHA, Blunt is good
-I thought all of Walter's updates were really funny
-The Russian Colonel again, I really like that character
-The increased tension throughout the world (I'm a supporter of revealing the Stargate Program publicly, boy would that mix things up)
-The Prommie, of course. Always reminds me of a vacuum cleaner... haha

Dislikes: -The Trust's HQ. I thought the whole big house with the chairs and cigars and animals on the wall was too cliche.
-Sam and Daniel's audio/visual things going off. well DUH they are! Put some anti-scramble stuff on! and then after Kinsey's like "what the hell is goin on!" and it blanked out, obviously it was a goa'uld in a tank/cooler thing! I know that's just a silly thing with me, but *shrug*
-The episode just kind of... moved, weirdly. like, it'll be one scene all normal then the very next one is like "oh, well, Daniel's kidnapped, all the Russians are preparing for war" type thing, I was like "uh..."
-Kinsey's glowing eyes seemed kinda hinkey to me as well, more reddish and weird... I think iv'e seen about 20 different kinds of glowing eyes throughout the seasons now :rolleyes:

One thing I reaaally liked about this episode was the foreshadowing of Reckoning. It shows how on edge the high governments are. The previous eps have been saying how the System Lords are dying, or preparing for their last stands. I feel some BIIIIIG things coming on, and i'm really looking forward to some massive battle/action/significant eps.

I give this ep a....9/10, what the heck :D

Wass
January 13th, 2005, 08:01 AM
So was the Russian Defence Secretary a goau'ld or just close friends with The Trust? I missed that.

They suspected the Russian Defence Secretary was a goau'ld.

Wass
January 13th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Holy chestnuts! How did I not figure that out? :P
Maybe because your brain does not work as fast as mine (joke) :p :D :eek:

Teal'c
January 13th, 2005, 08:46 AM
Maybe because your brain does not work as fast as mine (joke) :p :D :eek:
I'll attribute it to my completely screwed up sleep patern for the last week (Going to bed at 11am = not good, especially when you've got lectures to go to :P)

Wass
January 13th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I've done worst when I was at university last year.

DelTrax1
January 13th, 2005, 10:51 AM
Sleeping is over rated!

Elite Anubis Guard
January 13th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Not really impressed, another earth bound one but im sure the last arc will make up for it.

Although some interesting ideas regardin the trust and some development between the russians and the us of a.

Altho, why didnt Sam detect the trust where goa'ulds in affinity?

shelsfc
January 13th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Not really impressed, another earth bound one but im sure the last arc will make up for it.

Although some interesting ideas regardin the trust and some development between the russians and the us of a.

Altho, why didnt Sam detect the trust where goa'ulds in affinity?

I didn't think they were. Was it not only since they escaped in Affinity that they were goa'ulded?

Gaterholic
January 13th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Yes, They said... in summation.

We forced them to flee our solar system to avoid prommie. We know the poisoned 2 more worlds. They were caught by the system lords, determined to be secret service of the Tau'ri, and sent back to mess us up to steal the weapon.

xie1013
January 14th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Certainly better than the last two, which were just awful, but it was pretty dull.

Chevron_nine
January 14th, 2005, 03:41 PM
I think I've discovered a possible reason why goa'ulded kinsey didn't sound that great. Since Europe uses PAL which plays faster than it was originally filmed at everyones voices are higher pitched than normal, most noticeably AT's voice. I converted my video to the proper NTSC (North American) speed and Kinsey's voice sounded noticably better. It was a lot deeper and fuller than Sky's version. It's just something to keep in mind before critizing the voice flanger guy.

Blend
January 14th, 2005, 05:19 PM
^
All of my Boxed set DVD's are PAL and the Goa'uld'ed voices have always sounded the same. Kinseys sounded fine to me

Chevron_nine
January 14th, 2005, 06:16 PM
^
All of my Boxed set DVD's are PAL and the Goa'uld'ed voices have always sounded the same. Kinseys sounded fine to me

Maybe you've never experienced what they should really sound like in NTSC:p

Normally I don't notice any real differences between PAL and NTSC but there's definately a difference in Kinsey's voice, well at least to my ears. Lots of people obtain eps from the internet but they're used to watching eps in North America, so they might be the one's complaining. I personally found something "off" about his goa'ulded voice.

DelTrax1
January 14th, 2005, 06:27 PM
I don't really think its that big of a deal. It sounded enough like a Gou'ald to me.

Mr. Seven
January 14th, 2005, 09:20 PM
This was the best episode of SG1 that I have seen since New Order. A lot of suspense and a nice twist.

Jack's line, "I must have missed an episode.." was pretty funny.

I like how every member of the team contributed at least a little bit (Carter had the least screen time, but she did uncover the conspiracy).

Quinn Mallory
January 15th, 2005, 05:59 AM
Very entertaining episode. It's good to see Jack having a bigger role in the last couple of episodes. I have to say that I wasn't really looking forward to this episode but it turned out to be very very interesting.

Anyway, do other people also notice how the Goa'ulds captured by the SGC or the Russians hasn't been guarded quite as heavily as before. Have the humans just become too complacent and believe that a Goa'ulds can be easily guarded by couple of guards with guns (not even Zats). I thought the security was a bit light in New Order when the system lords and Camulus came to visit. Did this bother anyone else?

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 15th, 2005, 10:30 AM
Normally I don't notice any real differences between PAL and NTSC but there's definately a difference in Kinsey's voice, well at least to my ears. Lots of people obtain eps from the internet but they're used to watching eps in North America, so they might be the one's complaining. I personally found something "off" about his goa'ulded voice.

<nods> I, too notice a difference in sound between Euro-Goa'uld and NA Goa'uld. :p Also, Euro-Sam sounds very different from NA Sam. I have to say that I prefer Na to Euro-Sam, but the Goa'uld flange doesn't bother me one way or the other.

aAnubiSs
January 15th, 2005, 10:35 AM
Which is closer to AT's real voice? PAL or NTSC.

Ugly Pig
January 15th, 2005, 12:35 PM
Which is closer to AT's real voice? PAL or NTSC.
That would obviously be the original version, which is NTSC. :)

aAnubiSs
January 15th, 2005, 12:56 PM
So if she goes to England and does a movie the PAL one will be her real one?

Whistler
January 15th, 2005, 02:03 PM
At least it's not dubbed in Gaelic, you guys would have a really hard time. :p

But seriously, I think Kinsey's voice was a little off from the accent, remember it's just the normal actors voice with the pitch changed, that's the reason Apophis kept on slipping into a deep Jamaican accent, not that theres anything wrong with that. :D

Matt G
January 15th, 2005, 05:12 PM
1. Goa'uld exploiting Earth politics - interesting.

2. Is it me or is the Trust getting Goa'ulded a little cliche?

3. Nice work between Jack and Checkov.

Ugly Pig
January 16th, 2005, 09:40 AM
So if she goes to England and does a movie the PAL one will be her real one?
If it is shot on PAL video, then yes.

DelTrax1
January 16th, 2005, 10:52 AM
I thought that that was a good way of getting rid of the Trust. It was cool to finally see who made up the Trust. But the Trust is gone.....or is it!

Lord Zedd
January 18th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Where is Kinsey gone to ?? He grabbed the ribbon device and that was the last thing we saw.I think he was heading to the ring transporter but rings automaticly detect others so if he ringed out he should be back in the prometheus,not? I don't think that he got to the ring transport in Antartica because that is the only thing that I can remember that there is a ring transporter.Maybe it was moved away and the Trust get there hand on the ringtransporter but I don't think so.Any idea's where he could have been?How many ringtransporters does Earth have.One on Antartica and one in the Prometheus

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 18th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Where is Kinsey gone to ?? He grabbed the ribbon device and that was the last thing we saw.I think he was heading to the ring transporter but rings automaticly detect others so if he ringed out he should be back in the prometheus,not? I don't think that he got to the ring transport in Antartica because that is the only thing that I can remember that there is a ring transporter.Maybe it was moved away and the Trust get there hand on the ringtransporter but I don't think so.Any idea's where he could have been?How many ringtransporters does Earth have.One on Antartica and one in the Prometheus

The thing is, we have no idea how long the goa'uld-ed Trust have been operating on Earth. They may have brought and set up their own ring transport systems in safe houses anywhere on the planet. Perhaps the hand device has controls that allow Kinsey to "dial" any one of these safe houses.

He could be anywhere. :eek:

Skydiver
January 18th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Another thing:

I never realised how much Russia looked like British Columbia. :)

that's ok, so does colorado :)

Skydiver
January 18th, 2005, 05:18 PM
you know, i would imagine that alkash are like teltacs...and they have escape pods

anyone else get the ultimate irony.

ok, first of all, i joked a couple of years ago that kinsey was a goauld ;)

however, kinsey's fallback position has always been to depend up on god to save earth....from creatures who rise to power pretending to BE gods...and his fate is to get snaked.

it's just lovely poetic justice

KatG
January 24th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I thought this episode was great. Jack was in command mode, very much in charge and on target. Sam, Daniel and Teal'c were each performing at what they did best. Kinsey was great as a goa'uld. There was lots of action. It was one of the best I've seen this year.

I don't think Kinsey's dead. That woudl be too easy. I'm looking forward to where they're going with this story line though. Will Kinsey eventually have to be destroyed, or will they be able to remove the goa'uld, and if so, what kind of angst will that provide for Kinsey, knowing that he was used for the exact purpose he was fighting against?

Loved the interaction between Daniel and Veronikova. I hope we see her again in the future. Saw much more chemistry between the two of them than Daniel/Vala.

david2708
February 5th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Shock, horror...another truely lousy episode in the long line of stinkers that has been season eight.
I knew within the first two minutes that it was going to be crap and when...ahem... the writing credit came up, I knew I'd have plenty of time in the next 43 mins to do the dishes and whatever else.
Thus far, I've seen 15 or so eps of S8-2 have been O.K., 13 have been lousy to say the least.
People are raving over Reckoning which I haven't seen yet. I'll reserve judgement as people seem to exagggerate the quality of the season 8 eps thus far.
It really is dispiriting just how bad this season has been.
Honestly, I now officially REFUSE to watch any eps that feature the tiresome TRUST. I know they were supposedly blown up, but I'm sure someone will get the bright idea to bring them back for another waste of 43 minutes.

bioevilfan
February 6th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I’d like to say that I was very happy with Full Alert. Ever since Politics in the first season I have hated Kinsey and now that he is a snake head I know that he will die at some point(sooner more than later). I also liked the fact the Daniel is not so good with languages as we where led to believe(it makes him a more realistic character).

Major Fischer
February 11th, 2005, 04:57 PM
So... for the first time in a while I'm looking forward to the SG1 episode and dreading the Atlantis one...


Fischer's Random Ramblings About Full Alert

So I'll preface this by the fact that I'm a specialist in eastern bloc and Soviet militaries, and while slightly out of my time period, I know a fair bit about the current Russian military. So some of my comments may be on the geeky side.

1. Kinsey. You know, I just watched Ronny Cox in Taps last night and am reminded of how good the man is, the fact that we all loath him has little to do with his skill as an actor. I really enjoyed the fact that in the beginning there was a sense that he was rather desperate for Jack to actually listen to him. I was amused that Kinsey wanted his belt back when it was over. Expensive belt?

2. The Russians. Kinsey's description of the post war Russian military, while dramatic and a little over the top was reasonably consistant. But vastly oversimplified. But this is a television show. Thank god that they've learned about Russian naming conventions. They've still wearing ribbons that make no sense (everyone's got at least a dozen copies of the same service fifteen year service medals). They also have a prop weapons supplier that's giving them very old versions of the AK-74 (and I even spotted an AK-M). These are a little on the old side to be guarding the Russian defense minister. There are newer and more advanced Russian small arms. The AN-94 jumps to mind.

3. I love that Daniel's Russian isn't that good. I rather loved

4. I wonder how they're explaining the shift to DefCon 1. There are people who notice such things, that kind of alert level by the US, Russia, and China would be noticed by people outside those governments. The US had never gone to DefCon 1, not even during 1963.

5. I liked the Russian captain, I hope we see more of her.

6. Why are the promie crew using projectile weapons on a space ship. Anyone heard of hull breaches? Why aren't they using zats.

In general, I rather liked this episode, perhaps the dry horrible middle of the season is over. My only problem was that it was resolved rather quickly, but oh well, 45 minutes.

Bobthespirit
February 11th, 2005, 05:02 PM
I must say I really enjoyed this episode. One of the first ones this season that really gripped me in any way and shook things up.

I like the idea of Kinsey-gu'ald.

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 11th, 2005, 05:04 PM
holy crap - an episode that didn't suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it had problems, like the too short final ending, but it is TIED for best episode this season, and there have ONLY been a few (3 or 4) good ones.

lord-anubis
February 11th, 2005, 05:06 PM
this ep was good i don't know why people were saying it sucked but the ending could have been longer

Osiris-RA
February 11th, 2005, 05:16 PM
I have never been so disappointed with an Sg1 epsiode in my life. I never liked Jack's character when he was with Russians. He has an ignorent, assanine temper about something that happened eons ago. What the heck is his problem?? This whole US/Russia superiority issue just sickens me to my gut, I'm sorry. The thing about Russia getting all its weapons ready for an attack on the US is completely crazy and unrealistic. In real life, it would be the other way around. I felt lost and embarrased by this episode and during a few of Jack's scenes, I was tempted to hide my face under the pillows in anguish and embarrasment.

The Russian Captain, though mildly interesting, seemed to be overdoing her accent a bit, I'm not sure of it was real ... :S

Teal'c :rolleyes: ... what can I say. We know you've got muscles, big boy, so stop fluanting 'em. Flexing during missions can get you shot.

Kinsey. The ---hole as usual. I was kind of glad that he got blown up (or did he?) but that didin't save the cheesieness of the rest of the episode. I get sick of patriotic sentimentalist writing quickly. The thing I most disliked about this episode was it was unrealistic. Why would Russia attack the US just beause they think we're compromised? They could establish a quarantine or prevent foreigners from entering thier country until the threat was over. It was farfetched.

StarGate, help me out here, please, I'm begging you ....

Major Fischer
February 11th, 2005, 05:21 PM
I have never been so disappointed with an Sg1 epsiode in my life. I never liked Jack's character when he was with Russians. He has an ignorent, assanine temper about something that happened eons ago. What the heck is his problem?? This whole US/Russia superiority issue just sickens me to my gut, I'm sorry. The thing about Russia getting all its weapons ready for an attack on the US is completely crazy and unrealistic.

Actually, sickening for another reason. It wasn't unrealistic. THough if you followed the dialogue there were equal alerts between the US, China, and Russia (and presumably the UK as well). The Russians went to a similiar alert a couple years ago when a Norwegian weather rocket was detected that they thought was an incoming SLBM. Turned out they had been informed weeks ahead of time, but it didn't reach their missile forces.

It went all the way to the football/briefcase level with the Russian president.

Icemancmd
February 11th, 2005, 05:21 PM
HUH?!?! What are you people talking about? That was one of the WORST EPS in the past 2 seasons! So PREDICTABLE...I knew right away that that was a gou'ld when the guy turned the case around. And it was obvious the Russian Miltary was a gou'ld 3/4th through the way through the show. There was about 20 seconds of action.The base of the show was about the Trust/NID. Very boring. Last week eps was 100x better then this.

The previews for next weeks ep do not look very promising at all either. Sigh...SG1 is slipping.

Osiris-RA
February 11th, 2005, 05:25 PM
Actually, sickening for another reason. It wasn't unrealistic. THough if you followed the dialogue there were equal alerts between the US, China, and Russia (and presumably the UK as well). The Russians went to a similiar alert a couple years ago when a Norwegian weather rocket was detected that they thought was an incoming SLBM. Turned out they had been informed weeks ahead of time, but it didn't reach their missile forces.

It went all the way to the football/briefcase level with the Russian president.

All I'm saying is, Russia wouldn't go and launch an attack on the US just because they think we might be compromised. The normal response is to stay as far away from the problem as possible. Set up a quarantine, don't let anyone in your country until the problem is figured out.

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 11th, 2005, 05:25 PM
I have never been so disappointed with an Sg1 epsiode in my life. I never liked Jack's character when he was with Russians. He has an ignorent, assanine temper about something that happened eons ago. What the heck is his problem?? This whole US/Russia superiority issue just sickens me to my gut, I'm sorry. The thing about Russia getting all its weapons ready for an attack on the US is completely crazy and unrealistic. In real life, it would be the other way around. I felt lost and embarrased by this episode and during a few of Jack's scenes, I was tempted to hide my face under the pillows in anguish and embarrasment.

The Russian Captain, though mildly interesting, seemed to be overdoing her accent a bit, I'm not sure of it was real ... :S

Teal'c :rolleyes: ... what can I say. We know you've got muscles, big boy, so stop fluanting 'em. Flexing during missions can get you shot.

Kinsey. The ---hole as usual. I was kind of glad that he got blown up (or did he?) but that didin't save the cheesieness of the rest of the episode. I get sick of patriotic sentimentalist writing quickly. The thing I most disliked about this episode was it was unrealistic. Why would Russia attack the US just beause they think we're compromised? They could establish a quarantine or prevent foreigners from entering thier country until the threat was over. It was farfetched.

StarGate, help me out here, please, I'm begging you ....

To play devil's advocate - why can't you accept unbelievability on this level - did you watch Prometheus Unbound? That was unbelievable. This episode did NOT do enough to convince me of an IMMINENT threat from the russians, but the episode was well done overall - some jokes that were actually funny, increasing tension (granted a cop-out ending), and, most importantly, a plot that was not totally unbelievable.

I agree that the episode had problems, but this was one of the ONLY episodes in the last two years that deserved to be on the air.

Jack's acting and lines where the best all season, even though it was a LITTLE unbelievable that russia would go on alert so quickly. However, it was filmed, written, and acted better then almost every episode this season, and most importantly not as unbelievable as other episodes.

Stargate team, study this episode and see what makse it tick and doesn't tick - you regained a little bit of stargate magic with it. This was a GOOD episode, do it again Stargate team.

I'll actually write more later, but right now I'm watching Atlantis while typing and then I have to go somewhere, so it'll probably be tomorrow.

Major Fischer
February 11th, 2005, 05:30 PM
All I'm saying is, Russia wouldn't go and launch an attack on the US just because they think we might be compromised. The normal response is to stay as far away from the problem as possible. Set up a quarantine, don't let anyone in your country until the problem is figured out.

The level of command and control in the Russian stategic missile forces today leaves a lot to be desired, it's questionable if that kind of response could even be managed. Add to that that there was a goa'uld or goa'ulds driving the Russian military advise? Nah, totally believable.

Osiris-RA
February 11th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Then how come I can believe Hathor infiltrating the base is more believeable than this one? It was totally out of it. If you're going to dip your finger in the shark ridden lake of TV politics, at least try to draw your lines around reality. People like unbelievability when they like the message. I didn't particularly like this episodes message.


The level of command and control in the Russian stategic missile forces today leaves a lot to be desired, it's questionable if that kind of response could even be managed. Add to that that there was a goa'uld or goa'ulds driving the Russian military advise? Nah, totally believable.

It seems easy enough to manage. Anybody can do it. You don't have to be some kind of military genius to pull it off. You'd want to protect the people first from exposure, not go in blasting (like some tend to do :D)

Of course, with a Goa'uld in charge, it probably would be believable. They're not exactly tactical masters on this world anyway.

What's starting to make me a bit sad is that in S8, i haven't laughed and meant it - except for some of Prometheus Unbound and It's Good To Be King. Otherwise ... nada.

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 11th, 2005, 05:46 PM
Then how come I can believe Hathor infiltrating the base is more believeable than this one? It was totally out of it. If you're going to dip your finger in the shark ridden lake of TV politics, at least try to draw your lines around reality. People like unbelievability when they like the message. I didn't particularly like this episodes message.



It seems easy enough to manage. Anybody can do it. You don't have to be some kind of military genius to pull it off. You'd want to protect the people first from exposure, not go in blasting (like some tend to do :D)

Of course, with a Goa'uld in charge, it probably would be believable. They're not exactly tactical masters on this world anyway.

What's starting to make me a bit sad is that in S8, i haven't laughed and meant it - except for some of Prometheus Unbound and It's Good To Be King. Otherwise ... nada.

I agree with you one hundred and fifty percent that season 8 sucks - it's better than other sci-fi shows, but justs because its a mound of crap that smells good doesn't mean that it's not a mound of crap. but, from a film major's point of view, believe me - this episode was at least filmed better than the rest of the season.

Now, filmming is only part of it. You also have writing, acting, etc. I'm just asking you what was sooooo unbelievable - Russia raising its military forces because the thing Washington is overrun with bad guys? It is a little unbelievable, but the point is that it was done well enough to justify that unbelievability. And I'd like to make the point that it is much less unbelievable than other things stargate has done this season and last. It was done well enough to justify plot, which honestly wasn't that bad, and it really stands out as one of the best episodes this season.

Osiris-RA
February 11th, 2005, 05:51 PM
I agree with you one hundred and fifty percent that season 8 sucks - it's better than other sci-fi shows, but justs because its a mound of crap that smells good doesn't mean that it's not a mound of crap. but, from a film major's point of view, believe me - this episode was at least filmed better than the rest of the season.

Now, filmming is only part of it. You also have writing, acting, etc. I'm just asking you what was sooooo unbelievable - Russia raising its military forces because the thing Washington is overrun with bad guys? It is a little unbelievable, but the point is that it was done well enough to justify that unbelievability. And I'd like to make the point that it is much less unbelievable than other things stargate has done this season and last. It was done well enough to justify plot, which honestly wasn't that bad, and it really stands out as one of the best episodes this season.

As an aspiring film major, I agree it was filmed better, the diologue was pretty good but the plot was weak to me. It ended too slanted off. So the Russians call off the attack, so what? They didn't have to attack in the first place. In tactics, national defense acts should have been taken. If the enemy can't reach you, you're fine, no need to attack.
Of course, Goa'uld might not see it that way, huh? ;)

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 11th, 2005, 06:20 PM
I agree - the end was too quick.

But, I'll write my specific reasons why I liked the episode later. At least I want to say this - regardless of who liked it and who didn't, this was one of the only episodes this season that deserved to be on the air, from at least a cinematic point of view. Even if you didn't like it, it deserved air time, not like (take for example) Prometheus Unbound and Icon (yes - I know they were writen by that Kindler guy and I'm not singling him out, it's just that he is not funny at all and they entrust funny episodes to him and that bugs me as a film major/screenwriting minor).

So, basically, I'll say this - you didn't like it, and that's completely, totally cool. But at least know that this one at least deserved to be on the air, because the line between liking it and disliking it was a fine one, unlike most of S8, which everyone should hate for the most part.

NightGloom
February 11th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Meh, this wasn't an absolutely horrific episode. Finally, a (mainly) Earth-based episode that wasn't completely boring. It was slightly unbelievable that the Russians would act that quickly to attack us, and then just do a complete 180 in the end. However, it is only an hour TV show (40-45 minutes without the commercials) so I guess you can't blame them. Although, they could have probably cut some of the stuff out in the beginning and went straight to Kinsey getting Goa'uld-ed and go from there.

Redwall
February 11th, 2005, 06:59 PM
As I understand it, DefCon 2 means full readiness of military forces, and DefCon 1 means we are at war. I enjoyed the DefCon alerts, but there is no way we should have gone to DefCon 1.

Also, the location scenes were terrible. The scene outside the Trust's lodge and the scene driving through Russia looked exactly the same. That was just sad.

Other than that and a few military/weapon problems listed previously, I quite liked this episode. The whole Goa'uld-infiltrate-Trust thing was cliche, but the whole point of the NID/Trust enemies (we aren't doing enough to protect the earth, so they have to do it) was already so far gone I'm glad they're (hopefully) done with it altogether. And bring on more Kinsey.

zats
February 11th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Whoo-hoo!!! I'm happy! Good ep all around.

What was good:
a. Premise. This Trust stuff is looking promising. Admittedly, they're not quite as fun to laugh at now that Maybourne's more or less out of the way, but still...
b. The Russians. Great bunch--it's nice to finally be able to see the human side. Usually they're just snivelling because Jack refuses to let them onto SG-1...or really grant them any real decency. Has someone told him that the Cold War's OVER? But anyway...it was good to see them as good guys.
c. Is it just me, or was the "undisclosed location" house the same as the one that Daniel was hiding out in during 'Icon'? Or am I completely off the mark?
d. RDA. Seemed to me like he'd been a little wonky lately, and it was refreshing to have the old Jack back. Facial expressions were hilarious--RDA plays those well.
e. Kinsey. Lovely to have him back, AND with a snake upstairs. I thought it couldn't get any better when he resigned...although I was really hoping that Hayes would just shoot him and be done with it. Same for Jack at the beginning of this one, actually.

What wasn't good:
a. Hmmm...I got nothing. Hurrah!

BackStageJim
February 11th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Loved the truck Daniel and Sam were in, named after the director.

American3.141592654
February 11th, 2005, 08:00 PM
I have never been so disappointed with an Sg1 epsiode in my life. I never liked Jack's character when he was with Russians. He has an ignorent, assanine temper about something that happened eons ago. What the heck is his problem?? This whole US/Russia superiority issue just sickens me to my gut, I'm sorry. The thing about Russia getting all its weapons ready for an attack on the US is completely crazy and unrealistic. In real life, it would be the other way around. I felt lost and embarrased by this episode and during a few of Jack's scenes, I was tempted to hide my face under the pillows in anguish and embarrasment.


Well, Jack seems to have problems with countries he's pulled operations either in or against. It's probably like how some Veterans from the UK or the US have difficulty being in the same room with an ex-Nazi soldier to this day. Lets see how you'd feel if your friends or family were killed by somebody and see if you could tollerate being in the same room with them. Forgiveness is all fine and good and idealistically it should be practiced but humans are humans and the writers are trying to portray human-beings not robots...


BTW, I'd like you to point out a real life situation where an alien symbiotic life form had taken over or was believed to have taken over the US government. I mean crazy religious wackos is one thing but aliens, now that's a bit of a stretch. It's not unrealistic that they would have a rather STRONG reaction to something this serious.




The Russian Captain, though mildly interesting, seemed to be overdoing her accent a bit, I'm not sure of it was real ... :S



Well, it wasn't completely overdone if she came from a particular region in Russia or even in some of the areas of Russia that were largely populated with ex-polish which seems to be partially indicated by the ending of her name... Thing is accents are funny.. They're regional and while an accent might be easy to pick up (like some key accents from Scotland which are as varied even within a stretch of a few kilometers from eachother, and yes not all Scots speak like Scotty from Star Trek) by some they are difficult to pick up by others and some accents sound much different. Some Russian accents sound like the gal and some Russians have accents that you can't even detect. It's personal, regional and quite varied... She may have been from a rural area originally and perhaps even poorly educated however she may have personally had a difficult time losing the accent for any number of reasons. Unless you're an expert on Russian accents you can't really say much about the accuracy of the accent or not and even very FEW Russians who were born there and lived there all their lives could consider themselves as experts on different accents used in speaking English. I know personally some Russians who had accents much like hers and were also quite well educated and for whatever reason couldn't lose the accent and I know some Russians who had pretty much no accent and while one of my friends I could sense the accent after learning he was from Russian it was so subtle I think that it was probably partially picked up because of my own preconceptions... You see your own mind is the strongest component to understanding, comprehending and finely interpretting spoken language.



Teal'c :rolleyes: ... what can I say. We know you've got muscles, big boy, so stop fluanting 'em. Flexing during missions can get you shot.



Ok, this is a really goofy gripe. He's getting a bit older and he's got to keep a much higher regimen to keep in that kind of shape so he has to flex but thing is I think you're noticing it more cause of some kind of latent attraction to Christopher Judge and while this is understandable he is a rather strapping lad (while a bit older) I don't think that it's a good reason to think that the character isn't any good anymore. Besides Airborn in WWII would have to flex their muscles when they hit the ground during a parachute landing to keep from getting hurt and midevil warriors would flex their muscles all the time as well when in the middle of combat. It's called adrenaline plus stress. I for one find myself flexing my muscles when I'm under stress as well and it's entirely unconscious.



Kinsey. The ---hole as usual. I was kind of glad that he got blown up (or did he?) but that didin't save the cheesieness of the rest of the episode. I get sick of patriotic sentimentalist writing quickly. The thing I most disliked about this episode was it was unrealistic. Why would Russia attack the US just beause they think we're compromised? They could establish a quarantine or prevent foreigners from entering thier country until the threat was over. It was farfetched.



Yes, totally unrealistic. I mean if a super power on the planet was taken over by a hostile enemy with intentions to destroy my country and entire way of life and even possibly enslave my population I'd definitely slap them with an embargo and give them a stern talking to.... :rolleyes: Look, this is ludacris that one can know exactly what would happen in this situation but the odds are pretty good that they wouldn't be trying a sit in or singing kum-ba-yah or making s'mores.... They'd blow them the heck up in any way they could and nukes are as good as anything else...


StarGate, help me out here, please, I'm begging you ....


Yes, stargate is really going to help you. it's exactly the kind of help you need to. :p

Jolinarsam
February 11th, 2005, 08:21 PM
I thought the ep was ok, but when the credits came I was wondering where the next ten minutes of the episode were. It didn't seem to have any real resolution.

I think it's kind of funny how there are a bunch of goa'uld in old men's bodies walking around. They usually go for the young attractive hosts. But I guess sometimes you have to make sacrifices to take over the world. ;)

I liked the Russian girl. She seemed to have some of the same spunk as Vala, without the craziness. Which Daniel seemed to like.

One thing I thought was a little weird was that the Prometheus crew seemed more hesitant than they should have been to blow up the alkesh, like they didn't want to lose their precious toy even though they knew there were a bunch of goa'uld on board.

Osiris-RA
February 11th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Well, Jack seems to have problems with countries he's pulled operations either in or against. It's probably like how some Veterans from the UK or the US have difficulty being in the same room with an ex-Nazi soldier to this day. Lets see how you'd feel if your friends or family were killed by somebody and see if you could tollerate being in the same room with them. Forgiveness is all fine and good and idealistically it should be practiced but humans are humans and the writers are trying to portray human-beings not robots...


BTW, I'd like you to point out a real life situation where an alien symbiotic life form had taken over or was believed to have taken over the US government. I mean crazy religious wackos is one thing but aliens, now that's a bit of a stretch. It's not unrealistic that they would have a rather STRONG reaction to something this serious.


I seem to have touched a nerve.

Full Alert has proved one thing. There can never be too much politics when it comes to Sci Fi.

Jack is the true charicature of the American soldier. It's hard to tell with him sometimes. He doesn't like to see people hurt, yet he thinks everything should be done the Earth way - which hasn't helped anybody so far. I agree that his character feels like a human being - not one I particularly like but a human being. I like him better than McGyver, anyway.


You see your own mind is the strongest component to understanding, comprehending and finely interpretting spoken language.

I bet that mulitlingual understanding has helped us out in those pesky Arab countries, hasn't it? :rolleyes:


Ok, this is a really goofy gripe. He's getting a bit older and he's got to keep a much higher regimen to keep in that kind of shape so he has to flex but thing is I think you're noticing it more cause of some kind of latent attraction to Christopher Judge and while this is understandable he is a rather strapping lad (while a bit older) I don't think that it's a good reason to think that the character isn't any good anymore. Besides Airborn in WWII would have to flex their muscles when they hit the ground during a parachute landing to keep from getting hurt and midevil warriors would flex their muscles all the time as well when in the middle of combat. It's called adrenaline plus stress. I for one find myself flexing my muscles when I'm under stress as well and it's entirely unconscious.

OKay, if it's a goofy gripe, why are you responding?

And don't tell me you haven't noticed he's wearing nothing but muscle shirts nowadays. Carter has them even, it's turning into the battle of the buff and it's kind of silly.

What do muscle shirts have to do with Airborn teams and paramilitary tactics?


Yes, totally unrealistic. I mean if a super power on the planet was taken over by a hostile enemy with intentions to destroy my country and entire way of life and even possibly enslave my population I'd definitely slap them with an embargo and give them a stern talking to.... Look, this is ludacris that one can know exactly what would happen in this situation but the odds are pretty good that they wouldn't be trying a sit in or singing kum-ba-yah or making s'mores.... They'd blow them the heck up in any way they could and nukes are as good as anything else...

Ahh ... the American opinion, I suppose?

...And one more thing, did I offend somebody? :confused:

DownFallAngel
February 11th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Dear SG-1,
I don't know if you know this, but there is such a thing as too many twists. Now, I've missed the previous three episodes, and I finally was able to catch this one. I sat, I watched, I was disgusted.

There were to many twists. If you had introduced another double cross, another 'ooo' he might be the enemy, I would have gotten up, and walked out of the room.

Please don't attempt another episode like this again. It's not that I didn't understand it, it was that I just didn't like it as opposed to other episodes you have produced. Mixing sci-fi and espinoge is not a good combination. Please stay away from such a combination in the future.

- Steven

P.S.: I hope you keep Kinsey dead. Also, MikitaProductions was on the side of the van. I guess that ranks up there with 'Introductory Latin by J. Mazolli'. :D

Worst episode this season. WORST!

SmartFox
February 11th, 2005, 08:42 PM
All I'm saying is, Russia wouldn't go and launch an attack on the US just because they think we might be compromised. The normal response is to stay as far away from the problem as possible. Set up a quarantine, don't let anyone in your country until the problem is figured out.

I disagree with taht. Neither us nor Russia could take out the other in a first strike but could do considerable damage. If all the top members of the American government were Goa'ulds then they could easily attack. Plus it was sorta of a domino effect. They went up a level so we did so they went up another level etc...

The part i disliked the most was how easy it was for Kinsey to escape. Its like they have no security personell on the ship. There was no one at all at the rings. SPOLIERS S8 Promethus Unbound Its the exact same as when Vala took over the whole ship in PU

LordAnubis
February 11th, 2005, 08:52 PM
I seem to have touched a nerve.

Full Alert has proved one thing. There can never be too much politics when it comes to Sci Fi.

Jack is the true charicature of the American soldier. It's hard to tell with him sometimes. He doesn't like to see people hurt, yet he thinks everything should be done the Earth way - which hasn't helped anybody so far. I agree that his character feels like a human being - not one I particularly like but a human being. I like him better than McGyver, anyway.



I bet that mulitlingual understanding has helped us out in those pesky Arab countries, hasn't it? :rolleyes:



OKay, if it's a goofy gripe, why are you responding?

And don't tell me you haven't noticed he's wearing nothing but muscle shirts nowadays. Carter has them even, it's turning into the battle of the buff and it's kind of silly.

What do muscle shirts have to do with Airborn teams and paramilitary tactics?



Ahh ... the American opinion, I suppose?

...And one more thing, did I offend somebody? :confused:
It appears you may have ruffled his feathers, lass. I shared some your sentiments, but overall, it was a good episode. Just hold on: a few more weeks and the good stuff will hit the fan! :)

Buzz Lightyear
February 11th, 2005, 09:29 PM
So PREDICTABLE...I knew right away that that was a gou'ld when the guy turned the case around. And it was obvious the Russian Miltary was a gou'ld 3/4th through the way through the show.

What? Only 3/4 of the way through the episode? You mean you didn't have it all figured out right from the start? FYI, the symbiote-in-a-box was a gimme. And Sam did figure out about the Russian goa'uld approximately 3/4 of the way through the episode. :rolleyes:

Buzz Lightyear
February 11th, 2005, 09:56 PM
I have never been so disappointed with an Sg1 epsiode in my life. I never liked Jack's character when he was with Russians. He has an ignorent, assanine temper about something that happened eons ago. What the heck is his problem?? This whole US/Russia superiority issue just sickens me to my gut, I'm sorry. The thing about Russia getting all its weapons ready for an attack on the US is completely crazy and unrealistic. In real life, it would be the other way around. I felt lost and embarrased by this episode and during a few of Jack's scenes, I was tempted to hide my face under the pillows in anguish and embarrasment.

Did we even watch the same episode?

I found Jack's relationship with Colonel Chekhov very comfortable and cooperative. During their conversations, they're both basically relaying their respective governments attitudes and reactions. And it was through Jack's discussion with the Russian president that the situation was finally resolved. So where exactly was Jack displaying his "ignorent, assanine temper"?




Why would Russia attack the US just beause they think we're compromised? They could establish a quarantine or prevent foreigners from entering thier country until the threat was over. It was farfetched.

Under normal circumstances, Russia wouldn't so readily target the U.S. (as was explained in one of Jack and Chekhov's conversations), but in case you forgot, it was the Goa'ulded Russian general Kiselev who was doing all the military maneuvering, not the Russian president.

Jolinarsam
February 11th, 2005, 09:56 PM
And don't tell me you haven't noticed he's wearing nothing but muscle shirts nowadays. Carter has them even, it's turning into the battle of the buff and it's kind of silly.

When they first showed her reflection in the van, I saw the lower cut shirt and wondered what she was wearing. I almost thought it was that horrible low cut blouse she had on in Felger's dream. Thankfully it wasn't, but it was coming closer to it. Maybe it wasn't that big of a difference but it was noticable to me.

Buzz Lightyear
February 11th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Please don't attempt another episode like this again. It's not that I didn't understand it, it was that I just didn't like it as opposed to other episodes you have produced. Mixing sci-fi and espinoge is not a good combination. Please stay away from such a combination in the future.

Espionage refers to the act of spying and using covert activities to obtain secret information. I believe SG-1 has been involved in quite a lot of espionage throughout the course of the series, though usually against the Goa'uld.

Perhaps you're referring to Earth-bound politics? In which case, I should remind you that science fiction and politics are not mutually exclusive. There have been plentiful sci-fi stories anchored in politics both in the literary world and in television and film. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion that Stargate SG-1 hasn't produced very good political storylines, though I beg to differ.

I actually felt "Full Alert" was one of the best Earth politics-based eps they've made. Lest we forget, there were also the alien politics-based episodes like all the ones pitting the Tok'Ra against the Jaffa. Or the ones with the Tollan and the Nox. Or even the eps featuring the Unas.

I guess what I'm saying is, bring on more espionage! Bring on more politics! Just make it good writing and good storylines. :cool:

Erik Bloodaxe
February 11th, 2005, 11:35 PM
As an aspiring film major, I agree it was filmed better, the diologue was pretty good but the plot was weak to me. It ended too slanted off. So the Russians call off the attack, so what? They didn't have to attack in the first place. In tactics, national defense acts should have been taken. If the enemy can't reach you, you're fine, no need to attack.
Of course, Goa'uld might not see it that way, huh? ;)

Um... you're kidding, right? If they believe the American government has been goa'ulded, they're certainly not safe because of distance, not w/ the firepower we have. And in the Stargate Universe, we have even more firepower (the Prometheus, for one), so it makes perfect sense that the Russians would be at a significant level of alert, and the fact that the head of military decisions had also been goa'ulded managed to amplify the situation to quite a considerable degree as well. ;)

-Bloodaxe

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 12th, 2005, 07:24 AM
Okay, for the whole believability thing - I do not think the show did enough to make me feel an imminent threat from the Russians, but the fact is that it is overall believable (if we have snakes in our gov't, then they would get ready their forces). It was one of the best political episodes, although it was predictable (c'mon - everyone knew that Kinsey was gou'aulded right when the trust showed him the box thing and then they all vanished).

What was a little bad about the episode was just small things -

Carter telling Kinsey how to act normal being wired - they would have had that whole conversation elsewhere beforehand and I don't think Carter is the expert on that too. Kinsey probably knew more than she did.

The convience of certain plot twists - Carter saying they can detect the ship through small anamolies, the Russian general having several keys ties (which is believable) but the way in which they brought them up was too convinient.

Of course, the ending could have been much better. And plus, why would Jack have final say over the US military? It would be the President, not Jack that would decide to deploy troops.

Why did the troops try to kill Daniel and Kinsey? They would have held them for further interrogation.

So, for people who didn't like it because of believability, just ask yourself this - did not Citizen Kane have a mediorce plot, did not Casablanca's plot seem all too convenient, The Last Laugh's storyline pretty dull? And yet these are all great movies (of all time, for that matter). I'm not saying this episode is that great in any sense, but it was done well cinematically, acting-wise, and writing-rise. This supports its plot, making it acceptable, and that makes it one of the few episodes this season that did that.

jckfan55
February 12th, 2005, 07:43 AM
And Daniel in a suit :D

Pinstripe, no less! I think he's upgraded his wardrobe for such occasions. :)

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 12th, 2005, 07:55 AM
Dear SG-1,
I don't know if you know this, but there is such a thing as too many twists. Now, I've missed the previous three episodes, and I finally was able to catch this one. I sat, I watched, I was disgusted.

There were to many twists. If you had introduced another double cross, another 'ooo' he might be the enemy, I would have gotten up, and walked out of the room.

Please don't attempt another episode like this again. It's not that I didn't understand it, it was that I just didn't like it as opposed to other episodes you have produced. Mixing sci-fi and espinoge is not a good combination. Please stay away from such a combination in the future.

- Steven

P.S.: I hope you keep Kinsey dead. Also, MikitaProductions was on the side of the van. I guess that ranks up there with 'Introductory Latin by J. Mazolli'. :D

Worst episode this season. WORST!

1) Be glad you missed the last three episodes. Be very glad you watched this one - it was one of the best (if not the best) of the season.

2) Too many plot twists? Politics and sci-fi not mixing? Ever heard of a little show called THE X-FILES. I agree that stargate should have never dabbled into this world, but they have so it's too late to go back. And for once, they produced a political episode that was GOOD. There nothing about the quote-on-quote plot twists that was too hard to believe, and lots of things just stemmed out logically from the last part. This was in no way too dependant on plot twists. The x-files and shows like 24 are have much more plot twists than this and they pulled it off, and stargate should have had less (which they did) because they're not as politically inclined as those other shows (which are better than stargate, but that's a mute point).

Well done stargate team - one of the only nods of approval you deserve for this mostly attrocious season.

jckfan55
February 12th, 2005, 07:57 AM
I have never been so disappointed with an Sg1 epsiode in my life. I never liked Jack's character when he was with Russians. He has an ignorent, assanine temper about something that happened eons ago. What the heck is his problem??

You must be too young to remember the Cold War. Remember Jack was in the AF during it--I imagine it's hard for him to accept that the Russians are our friends now. We never really trusted them even when they were our allies in World War II.

jckfan55
February 12th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Did we even watch the same episode?

I found Jack's relationship with Colonel Chekhov very comfortable and cooperative. During their conversations, they're both basically relaying their respective governments attitudes and reactions. And it was through Jack's discussion with the Russian president that the situation was finally resolved. So where exactly was Jack displaying his "ignorent, assanine temper"?




He seems to have mellowed a bit re: Chekhov. But I think he still mistrusts the Russians generally.

TameFarrar
February 12th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Well so far this second half of season 8 has had me happier about the overall interaction of the *Team*. I really enjoyed the episode and was once again just plain entertained :D

Even though the whole gang was going off in different directions thay were all working towards a common goal and THAT for me makes the episode alot better then when there are two or three different storylines going. :)

All of the characters were doing things I believe they do best...Jack was FULLY there for me and THAT was a wonderful thig He was making decisions and dealing with things like he always does BUT on a grander scale....Sam got to do techy things in her lab and shine that way...Daniel, who always wants to talk everything to death...got to talk AND beam out :D Teal'c got to go and be a fighter in a sense....jumping on the ship to go get the bad guys... and Kinsey well you just love to NOT trust him :D I was just really happy for the 43 minutes this was on my TV:D

keshou
February 12th, 2005, 08:24 AM
I knew I was in trouble when I thought there must be about 10 minutes left and I looked at the clock and it was only half over!

Actually, I liked the story and some of the twists but the episode just seemed devoid of tension and just kind of dragged along.

There were some nice bits of course

*Jack and Kinsey scenes at the beginning were fun - you can really tell RDA lifts his game working with Ronny Cox. And Jack carries a gun when he goes to buy groceries - who knew? Guess I don't blame him with all he's been thru.

*Jack was actually smart and nicely snarky (rather than silly) and generally acting like a General in this one. I really enjoyed him and I actually thought he came across pretty well dealing with Chekhov.

*Speaking of Chekhov - nice to see him again as well

*Enjoyed the twist of the Trust being infiltrated by the Goa'uld - although it's weird to see all these normal looking guys running around talking like Goa'uld's. I've gotten used to the posturing of over-dressed guys like Apophis and Anubis and Ba'al.

*Daniel and Daria's scenes in Russia were a lot of fun. Daniel looked good in his suit.

And.....let's see

*Sam had a lot of technobabble stuff. Teal'c was........there.

All in all - I thought it was an interesting story and should have been engrossing. It just seemed to lack......something. :(

bravesmom63
February 12th, 2005, 11:21 AM
And Jack carries a gun when he goes to buy groceries - who knew? Guess I don't blame him with all he's been thru.



Yeah, that really brought me up short.

Overall, I thought this ep was pretty good, not perfect, but, hey, what is? Jack mostly sounded like he had a brain when dealing with things. Lately, RDA's 'cosmic giddiness' is starting to get on my nerves. The Trust being goa'ulded was a nice plot twist. And everyone had something to do. I was satisfied.

I just wish TPTB would cover Teal'c up some--the biceps are too distracting.

Bandersnatch
February 12th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Hello Campers,

Hmmm "Full Alert" -- What's there not to say? It was a great episode in my opinion...

* So it took place on Earth and there was no Gate usage -- but who cares?

* The team was together -- albeit in different places -- but they were all working towards the same goal at the same time.

* They were all doing what they're good at: Carter: techno tinkering; Teal'c: Looking scary; Daniel: being the linguistic geek; and O'Neill: running with his gut instinct and making poignant comments along the way

* Kinsey is much more pleasant when he's not behind a desk. I couldn't see him as the same "bad guy" who's been trying to shut down the Gate for the last 8 years

* TPTB are certainly getting their money's worth on the Promethuous set this season

* The whole Kinsey unplugging O'Neill's phone only to have O'Neill reach for his cell was a hoot (sorry, I can be simple minded)

Overall, I think the show flowed great. Ended a little sticky -- but it faded out on Mr. RDA so, no qualums. And, okay, I have to say it -- I'm SO glad there was a decent amount of RDA in this one. For me anyway, he makes the show and has been the backbone of it ever since O'Neill was first shown on his roof 8 years ago. Just the little things he does -- yeah, I'm off on a tangent. Sorry. But, anyway, good show. Probably one of the best this season and it beats the socks off the other political shows that they have tried in the past.

keppiezbt
February 12th, 2005, 01:21 PM
i wonder what happened to kinsey?

its good to be king was better.

American3.141592654
February 12th, 2005, 01:45 PM
I seem to have touched a nerve.

Full Alert has proved one thing. There can never be too much politics when it comes to Sci Fi.


Well, politics aside, you have to take some human traits into consideration when you write people who are believable as characters. It doesn't matter if it's sci-fi or romance because people are partially a product of their environment and taking that environment into consideration you have to consider even the political environment of the universe in question and for some reason in the Stargate universe while being partially based on the real world situation, it has its differences as well. For some reason the Stargate universe has some rather difficult to work with political leaders in the former USSR while the US military types still had some fairly hairy situations with the USSR before it fell (cause evidently it did so in the show as well as evidenced by Bob's lines about his dealings with them before hand) and it has effected their attitudes in the post cold war years... They're not the most trusting people in the world, cause they're military and military personel are taught to be distrusting towards those who can be a threat.




Jack is the true charicature of the American soldier. It's hard to tell with him sometimes. He doesn't like to see people hurt, yet he thinks everything should be done the Earth way - which hasn't helped anybody so far. I agree that his character feels like a human being - not one I particularly like but a human being. I like him better than McGyver, anyway.



Well, Jack has his own personal shortcomings. He's not perfect which is great because it means he's a 'human' character. In other words he is capable of mistakes and he has made MANY during the course of the show including but not limited to his attitude towards the tok'ra, his treatment of Fifth and eating wedding cake when there was no groom. ;)



I bet that mulitlingual understanding has helped us out in those pesky Arab countries, hasn't it? :rolleyes:


Are you bringing real world government discussions into the forum? This isn't a good idea even if you're comparing the differences and simularities of the governmental situations in the show and in the real world.. In the SHOW, Jack has done missions in the Arab world, which can be figured out in some of his preparedness and some conversations he's had with others who were evidently serving with him on those operations and it has effected him a good deal... Now in the real world the middle east situation is FAR more complex and confusing to go into in depth in this forum so we'll just leave it at that... BTW when studying it and trying to understand it it's hard to say that anybody is right when you look at what everybody is doing but that's all I'm going to say...



OKay, if it's a goofy gripe, why are you responding?


Merely to say it's a goofy gripe.. I thought that it's sorta silly that you'd react that strongly to them wearing tank tops... They're cooler and possibly more comfortable depending on the individucal's personal tastes.. Personally I'd probably shy away from wearing one cause it's cold here and I don't really like wearing something barely there either cause it feels pointless to me. In respect to the show, it's not as if they're showing MORE skin now than they have in the past. I mean for crying out loud if you've seen the uncensored pilot episode then you'd notice that Daniel's wife gets stripped naked in that one and to date that is FAR more skin than anything they show now... One might think the only reason to begrudge them wearing something like that is either jealousy or something else like that, that's personal and perhaps something to look into.


And don't tell me you haven't noticed he's wearing nothing but muscle shirts nowadays. Carter has them even, it's turning into the battle of the buff and it's kind of silly.

What do muscle shirts have to do with Airborn teams and paramilitary tactics?


Well tank tops are a common undershirt and if you're not being very formal you might choose to wear them alone if you feel comfortable like that. Muscle shirts have nothing to do with paramilitary tactics or teams but MUSCLES do have a lot to do with Airborn operations and strength and even any kind of warrior culture so all three military (and military-like) members would of course keep themselves in shape plus oddly enough most anthropoligsts who are field workers are also usually quite tough... You have to be in some kind of shape when you're hiking around dig sites and crawling around in ancient ruins... However don't forget that some sex appeal is also a good thing for ratings. You can't tell me that people watched Buffy because of the strong plot lines. No most men who were watching either were watching or started watching to stare at 'Buffy' so the actors have probably been told they should try to look their best. However there is probably also some amount of vanity that goes into their posturing however since it isn't a KEY part of the show it's not usually distracting except perhaps for you and a few others... I actually don't pay any attention to it but if you're going to gripe about it you should be prepared to be poked fun at for the gripe. Try watching the episodes without focusing on the posing if it's distracting you.



Ahh ... the American opinion, I suppose?

...And one more thing, did I offend somebody? :confused:


Hmmm... Are you saying my opionion is the "American opinion" or yours is.. ;) anyway, about American opionions, you have to figure that they are the product of their environment and if you've watched the news in the country it's really freeky and the official statements coming from the top guys looks so much like Kinsey's rants that anybody could go absolutely nuts if they pay too much attention... But anyway, Jack will have an "American Opionion" since he's an American General. It's the nature of the characters..

and no, not offend just confuse.. ;) hehe... It's sorta like when you are out with your friends and you hear somebody say something like, "And that's how my dog ended up married to my cousin." And you spin around to try to see who said that so you can ask them, "how can your dog marry your cousin?" or "is your cousin a dog?" or "Didn't your state just make marriages like that illegal?" The many many questions you want to ask are too numerous but when you turn around they're GONE and you're just left there wondering how did his cousin end up marrying a dog, and how can that even happen and what short sighted or blind minister or priest would actually conduct such a ceremony? After a few hours or days depending on your personal psychy you may then have a horrible nervous or mental breakdown and perhaps even actual damage to the brain cells and as your brain explodes you collapse into a heap on the ground crying wimpering. This was just my opportunity to actually ask, "WHAT?" I mean lines like, "StarGate, help me out here, please, I'm begging you ...." just makes me go, "does this guy realize that the stargate can not hear them?" or even things like "They could establish a quarantine or prevent foreigners from entering thier country" when the thing we're talking about is an entire COUNTRY being put in quarantine and figuring that it'd be more difficult to keep them in check especially if they figure out how to use tools of any kind and even worse if they figure out how the weapons work... I mean, this was just out right confusing how that could be suggested.. Anyway, this is just fun to mess about with anyway... I'm not exactly all that serious anyway... It's all meant in fun.

Anyway, take care..

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 12th, 2005, 01:58 PM
i wonder what happened to kinsey?

its good to be king was better.

No way - IGTBK had crummy jokes for the most part while Full Alert's jokes were better. Plus, although Full Alert was suspense more than action, the action ending of IGTBK sucked horribly. Full Alert's ending, although too abrupt, was much much better.

Full Alert is one of the few episodes that deserved air time. IGTBK needed some major re-working, but not as bad as Prometheus Unbound or Icon did.

acdj31
February 12th, 2005, 02:53 PM
* The whole Kinsey unplugging O'Neill's phone only to have O'Neill reach for his cell was a hoot (sorry, I can be simple minded)

Overall, I think the show flowed great. Ended a little sticky -- but it faded out on Mr. RDA so, no qualums. And, okay, I have to say it -- I'm SO glad there was a decent amount of RDA in this one. For me anyway, he makes the show and has been the backbone of it ever since O'Neill was first shown on his roof 8 years ago. Just the little things he does -- yeah, I'm off on a tangent. Sorry. But, anyway, good show. Probably one of the best this season and it beats the socks off the other political shows that they have tried in the past.

IMO it was a good ep. It don't have me asking where O'Neill was at. I thought the scenes between Kinsey and Jack made the ep. Good show better than Convenant and Affinty.

Daniel's_twin
February 12th, 2005, 03:22 PM
I really liked this episode. Jack wound up working with two people he really didn't like. One ended up as a Goa'uld and one ended up having some nice chracterization. I loved the music (the vocal part when they showed the scene of Kinsey in the Al'kesh when it was getting fired at. Wish they would do it more often), and we got a lot more Jack then we have been getting! Daniel was a little humerous, and I loved the opening scenes with the Jack/Kinsey dialogue. I think SG-1 is definitely starting to get its life back. :cool:

Kelso
February 12th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Well, I loved it. I hope we see this followed up on next season... There's no way to know if all of the Goa'uld were on that Alkesh.

Also, it's great to see Jack growing into his role as a General.

I thought Stargate Command didn't do that sort of thing.

Well, we're under new management.

LMichelle
February 13th, 2005, 03:27 PM
I liked the Jack/Kinsey banter. "I must have missed an episode." LOL!

Yet again, Teal'c parades around in sleeveless. Why can't he wear the standard uniform like everyone else does? :rolleyes: Speaking of Teal'c, how about that pimped up Expedition he was driving? Does the SGC have SUVs like that are their disposal or did Teal'c get on Pimp My Ride and didn't tell us?

I was distracted the last half hour of the ep by Daniel in that gorgeous suit. Did I miss anything pertinent? :D

Buzz Lightyear
February 13th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Yet again, Teal'c parades around in sleeveless. Why can't he wear the standard uniform like everyone else does? :rolleyes: Speaking of Teal'c, how about that pimped up Expedition he was driving? Does the SGC have SUVs like that are their disposal or did Teal'c get on Pimp My Ride and didn't tell us?

I was distracted the last half hour of the ep by Daniel in that gorgeous suit. Did I miss anything pertinent? :D

I presume you wouldn't mind it much if Daniel were to "parade around in sleeveless" more often. :p

No doubt, the producers are aware that many fans are very appreciative of the attractive cast members they have. Is it really any surprise then that they choose to showcase Daniel, Teal'c, Jack and Sam in form-fitting uniforms or sleeveless tops at every opportunity? ;)

gwangung
February 13th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Folks who thought it was unrealistic for the Russian government to go nuclear? Folks who were surprised that Jack had a concealed weapon on him?

Damn....I musta stepped into a parallel universe, 'cause I'da been surprised if those things DIDN'T happen in my universe..... :eek:

SmartFox
February 13th, 2005, 06:25 PM
Folks who thought it was unrealistic for the Russian government to go nuclear? Folks who were surprised that Jack had a concealed weapon on him?

Damn....I musta stepped into a parallel universe, 'cause I'da been surprised if those things DIDN'T happen in my universe..... :eek:

LOL couldn't of said it better myself.

Major Fischer
February 14th, 2005, 06:33 AM
Folks who thought it was unrealistic for the Russian government to go nuclear? Folks who were surprised that Jack had a concealed weapon on him?

Damn....I musta stepped into a parallel universe, 'cause I'da been surprised if those things DIDN'T happen in my universe..... :eek:

You and I must be from the same universe, because I agree. :D

SmartFox
February 14th, 2005, 07:19 AM
You and I must be from the same universe, because I agree. :D
YAY some one else from this universe. I thought i was alone when i first started to read this thread. Everyone saying how unbelievable that Russia prepared to blow up the US.

Bastet11191967
February 14th, 2005, 08:04 AM
I was kind of disappointed to see Kinsey and the Trust blown away at the end of the show. It is ironic that, for all the justifications of taking technology, any technology, no matter what, no matter who gets hurt in the process, the people justifying their actions were unable to prevent themselves from being implanted with goa'ulds and caused the very problem that they arrogently believed that only they could stop. Although Kinsey was a complete ass, his interactions with SG-1, the NID and the Trust kept them on their toes. Considering the animosity between Jack and the Russian general, it was good to see them working together in spite of their differences.

Wass
February 14th, 2005, 08:13 AM
I was kind of disappointed to see Kinsey and the Trust blown away at the end of the show. It is ironic that, for all the justifications of taking technology, any technology, no matter what, no matter who gets hurt in the process, the people justifying their actions were unable to prevent themselves from being implanted with goa'ulds and caused the very problem that they arrogently believed that only they could stop. Although Kinsey was a complete ass, his interactions with SG-1, the NID and the Trust kept them on their toes. Considering the animosity between Jack and the Russian general, it was good to see them working together in spite of their differences.

I got the impression that Kinsey may have survived but who nows it was not made clear if he died with rest of trust members he certainly had time to escape.

Daniel's_twin
February 14th, 2005, 08:14 AM
Do we really know that Kinsey is dead? They didn't actually show his yelling to the screen, and he did grab that modified hand device, which suggests that he probably had somewhere else to go. :cool:

Daniel's Sister
February 14th, 2005, 08:20 AM
You just knew that Kinsey would become a goa'uld one day. He has that look.
I liked the part when Daniel said 'what do you want with me.ow.' I thought that was so funny! ;)

Thek
February 14th, 2005, 08:21 AM
This may have been mentioned before, but was anyone else disappointed that they made the Earth-based enemies of SGC, Goa'ulds?

I've kind of liked the very human corruption of Kinsey and the Trust.

I don't know. The entire episode I had this funny feeling of crop-out.

Hex.FTB.enabled
February 14th, 2005, 08:23 AM
Hmm...it's interesting to see that some people think this is the best ep of the season and others think it's the worst. IMHO, I really enjoyed this ep. I had my gripes, but they were small compared to feeling like this was more reminant of the good ol' days of Stargate.

I loved the exchanges between Kinsey and Jack (the phone thing and "we're under new management"). And yes, I thought Jack having a gun was a little out there. Dude, you went to the grocery store. But as mentioned above, the fact that we loathe Kinsey so much is all Ronny Cox's performance. And we all know Kinsey isn't gone for good, so I look forward to seeing him again.

Thank you thank you thank you for getting rid of The Trust! For those that have seen PK Wars, when Crichton describes the Scarrans by going "Ooooooo" that's how I feel about The Trust.

The humor in this ep was great, not grating like it's been a bit recently. I loved the board room scene, the dry cleaning comment was hilarious. And Daniel and the Russian chick had a great chemistry too them (as it's been said, the "we'll stick w/English" comment was one of the funniest moments in the ep. And Mikita Couriers! Hee.

But what really made this ep for me was Jack. He finally started acting like a General: confident, cool-headed, and yet he still kept that patented Jack-sense-of-humor I love. Don't get me wrong, I loved Zero Hour, but the whole fish out of water thing was getting old. After awhile, Jack just seemed so lost, and it was not flattering to the character at all. I thought the interaction with Chekov was well done (although they did become friends rather fast). Thank you for giving me Jack back, I missed him!

So, all in all, yes it was a bit predictable (there was a Goa'uld in the briefcase?! Duh.) But what a breath of fresh air in a mediocre season. Now I just have to get through Citizen Joe before the really good stuff (Reckoning, Threads, Moebius) gets here. :D

Thek
February 14th, 2005, 08:30 AM
I have no problem with them getting rid of the Trust, after all. This is the season seems to be about.

I just wish they did it a way that fit with what the Trust was. Not make them all snakey and then blow them up.

The fact that the Trust and all its previous incarnations, had been Earth human bad guys is what made them interesting.

Making them all gao'uld and then blowing them up seemed cheap to me.

Not the worst episode in the season, but not actually a compliment, since so far, Season 8 has been the worst season, IMHO.

Jolinarsam
February 14th, 2005, 04:55 PM
The fact that the Trust and all its previous incarnations, had been Earth human bad guys is what made them interesting.

Making them all gao'uld and then blowing them up seemed cheap to me.


I'm of the opposite opinion. The Trust wasn't that interesting for me cause they were like every other criminal of every other show. Making them goa'uld made it a little more exciting for me. They have more potential as goa'ulds. It's also fun trying to guess who's a goa'uld and at what point they were possessed.

Naquida Guy
February 15th, 2005, 03:23 AM
Anyone else catch the subtle (or not so subtle) reference to Icon? I think it's kind of interesting that they've twice referenced an episode now that seemed like a 'stand alone' at the time.

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 15th, 2005, 07:52 AM
no - what was it? - icon was such a horrible episode that i blocked it out of my mind.

Wass
February 15th, 2005, 08:01 AM
I'm of the opposite opinion. The Trust wasn't that interesting for me cause they were like every other criminal of every other show. Making them goa'uld made it a little more exciting for me. They have more potential as goa'ulds. It's also fun trying to guess who's a goa'uld and at what point they were possessed.
I agree with you it was nice unexpected twist.

Kelso
February 15th, 2005, 09:53 AM
I'm wondering how the Goauld angle is going to play out next year. Carter said that they could have brought a lot of symbiots. What is the higher agenda?

greytop
February 15th, 2005, 06:57 PM
I liked the female Russian captain.

I don't want to read through the whole thread, so this may be brought up and asked before. Does anyone know which System Lord the guys from the Trust work for now, since being implanted with a symboit?

Otherwise it was an okay episode.

Naquida Guy
February 16th, 2005, 04:29 AM
They never say outright who the goa'ulded Trust was working for. Daniel assumes that its the system lords, but Kinsey never gave details.

Spoiler for Icon and Covenant:

The Icon 'reference' I was thinking of was when the Russians begain to loose control of their nukes to the Goa'duled general, much the way the war begain in Icon. I find Icon more intersting because of this, since it seems it was actualy foreshadowing events of the season, this episode, and Covenant, when the secret of the gate is nearly revealed, the very secret which destroyed the nations in Icon. It could have just been another Daniel Jackson trapped somewhere episode, but instead the writers chose to give it some latter meaning as well.

gwangung
February 16th, 2005, 05:24 PM
I'm of the opposite opinion. The Trust wasn't that interesting for me cause they were like every other criminal of every other show. Making them goa'uld made it a little more exciting for me. They have more potential as goa'ulds. It's also fun trying to guess who's a goa'uld and at what point they were possessed.

Well, I thought the point was that if you acted dishonorably and with folks like Kinsey, it makes you MORE vulnerable to the goa'ulds, because you're working in the same playground as they do...but they've had centuries more experience to get better at it. To a certain extent, being the heroes DOES give you an advantage (if you're smart) because you're less vulnerable to goa'uld tactics [because of your ethical base] and somewhat less predictable to their mind set.

Thek
February 16th, 2005, 05:37 PM
I guess I'm the oppisite of most people then.

*sighs*

Besides that, I believed this was way too predictable. It honestly felt like the writers had no idea how to get rid of the Trust through Earth-bound, political-bound ways and so they took the easy way out.

Whoopy, more Gao'uld bad guys that they get to blow up.

Of course, I'm just restating what I've said already.

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 16th, 2005, 06:11 PM
Parts were predictable, but that doesn't mean they weren't done much better than most episodes this season. Give me something that I can watch without having my inteligence insulted to many times and I'll be happy - Full Alert was one of the few episodes that did that.

Predictability, by the way, insults my intelligence less than things like bad plots, stupid writing, etc. At least when you're predictable, you can still film it well, like in Full Alert (also, anyone who watches 24 can tell you that predictability is okay if it's done well).

So, I agree that kinsey gua'oulded was obvious, but they didn't do it poorly, so I was satisfied. It's plots like Prometheus Unbound and jokes and endings like It's Good to be King that really urk the crap out of me, because they should have been thought out much better.

zats
February 17th, 2005, 04:15 PM
*Jack and Kinsey scenes at the beginning were fun - you can really tell RDA lifts his game working with Ronny Cox. And Jack carries a gun when he goes to buy groceries - who knew? Guess I don't blame him with all he's been thru.

What? Everyone doesn't do that? :D

Sorry...couldn't resist... ;)

greytop
February 17th, 2005, 04:23 PM
One of the scenes I found funny was when Jack was going to call the sheriff on his cordless, Kinsey unplugged it. Jack just pulls his cell out of his pocket. The look on Kinsey's face was funny. :)

Skydiver
February 21st, 2005, 12:14 PM
hre's some silly trivia/supposition

the name of the three trust guys are
mr parker
mr wayne
mr kent

ok, joe and paul wrote it and joe likes comic books and it can't be a coincidence that

Peter Parker
Bruce Wayne
Clark Kent

the civilian personalities for Spiderman, Batman and Superman are the same names

Daniel's_twin
February 22nd, 2005, 09:37 AM
hre's some silly trivia/supposition

the name of the three trust guys are
mr parker
mr wayne
mr kent

ok, joe and paul wrote it and joe likes comic books and it can't be a coincidence that

Peter Parker
Bruce Wayne
Clark Kent

the civilian personalities for Spiderman, Batman and Superman are the same names

Interesting tidbit. All my childhood favorites. :cool:

greytop
February 22nd, 2005, 11:53 AM
hre's some silly trivia/supposition

the name of the three trust guys are
mr parker
mr wayne
mr kent

ok, joe and paul wrote it and joe likes comic books and it can't be a coincidence that

Peter Parker
Bruce Wayne
Clark Kent

the civilian personalities for Spiderman, Batman and Superman are the same names
Mine too.

SeaBee
April 28th, 2005, 02:24 PM
Ok. Quick post B4 GW dies again.

Good ep. Well acted, well written. Good Jack action. Kinsey snaking a little obvious, but oterwise a good ep.

Metarock Sam
September 21st, 2005, 02:38 PM
A nice round the world trip for daniel with more russians goa'ulds and propaganda then you can shake a stick at.

dosed150
September 23rd, 2005, 08:57 AM
What? Everyone doesn't do that? :D

Sorry...couldn't resist... ;)

lol if you did that over here ud be shot by any armed cop even if u where off duty military but wudnt u be tempted to shoot those ppl on there phones the wjhole time asking for a decision on beans

Erised
November 25th, 2005, 01:44 PM
haha! The actors weren't even Russian. Their Russian accent (while speaking in Russian) was so terrible that I couldn't understand them!

timdalton007
November 29th, 2005, 12:55 PM
I was dispointed by this episode. What I mean is that there was a world-wide military crisis where the U.S. and Russia were on the verge of an all-out nuclear war. All we saw was the SGC, some military base in Russia, and the Prometheus. It was very underwelming. I expected to see missile silo doors opening, bombers in the air (ala the montages from the wonderful movie Thirteen Days) and the like. But I realize that full Alert was simply a way to end the whole plotline of the Osiris ship and to kill off Kinsey (or did they?) but it was a waste of an episode. The acting was average, the plot weak, the whole premise was wasted. Possibly the worst episode of the entire eigth season.

timdalton007

BeautifulGoddess
January 23rd, 2006, 07:45 AM
Hiya Peeps!

New to the site here, enjoying my tour of the site so far, just watched this episode today (as i taped it sunday as i was out) good story line, explaines abit of previous titbits, always nice to see jack, love daniel (met him once, much nicer in person!:love: ) loved the "dry cleaning" bit.

GivenToFly
January 28th, 2006, 07:59 AM
Another newbie here! I really enjoyed 'Full Alert', certainly a lot more than I was expecting to. I'd seen a lot of negative comments on it so it was a nice surprise, really.

Daniel and Jack at the end of the briefing had me in fits of laughter. I adore their banter.

Looking forward to tomorrow's episode :)

Kate xx

ManofTheAtom
February 27th, 2006, 11:32 AM
New poster, first post.

So I was thinking about this episode the other day and couldn't help but wonder if we'll ever see Kinsey again, and if we do in what form it'll be.

Wouldn't it be cool if, considering Kinsey's religious views, he came back as a Goul'd named Yehova and his followers were named and looked like the angels from the Angelic Choir?

It be cool to see Jaffa in armor modeled after angels, with wings and the whole thing. Or if not Jaffa maybe some other race the Goul'd who took over Kinsey could dominate and force to serve him.

What do you guys think?

cafine_us
February 27th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Jaffa in wings? :bratac13: Interesting idea, but no one take them seriously. I could use a laugh though. Also, I don't think the goa'uld necessarily adopt the religion of the host. Any attempt at mimicking God may not be successful in attracting the masses of people the snake probably wants.

ManofTheAtom
February 27th, 2006, 01:28 PM
Heh

But wouldn't it be interesting if Kinsey influenced the Goul'd? It's happened before (i.e. Thor's Hammer).

The Goul'd could see how important the Judeo-Christian mythology has become on Earth and decide that that could be the way to take over the planet, by impersonating the one God that most people accept as the only one.

It wouldn't be absolutely necessary for Kinsey to influence the Goul'd, though. The symbiote could just get the knowledge out of the host's mind and design his entire facade around it.

And he wouldn't even need space ships to do it, it could be sort of similar to the Cult of Seth, with a church or something like that.

Matt G
March 2nd, 2006, 01:09 PM
Wouldn't work 'that' well though. An ex-politician starting up a cult? Would create too much attention for the snake's liking.

Remember that Seth's cult was kept fairly obscure.

ManofTheAtom
March 2nd, 2006, 03:56 PM
True.

Maybe the cult could have a different figure head with Kinsey behind the scenes?

Daniel's_twin
March 4th, 2006, 07:45 AM
I think the fish would be way too small for the Goa'uld. Seth had no choice but to hide out because of the price on his slimy head. Kinsey's Goa'uld doesn't have that problem. In fact, I would think that the first chance he got he would get off the planet. :cool:

captain jake
April 30th, 2006, 05:45 AM
Agreed my question is how long was kinsey a gou'ld??

Daniel's_twin
April 30th, 2006, 07:44 AM
After he went to see the Trust operatives. Remember his face when he looked into that case? Pretty obvious they Goa'ulded him after that. :cool:

captain jake
April 30th, 2006, 01:01 PM
Ya that is true haha wow I cant believe I missed that.

kelmah
June 10th, 2006, 12:01 PM
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but does anyone know what the russian lady said right before Daniel scolded her ("Language!")? Obviously it was some sort of swear word, but what's the english translation?

Thor's Chariot
July 14th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Ugh Kinsey i think got away. Jack should have shot him in his house. I hate Kinsey, such a rat, i guess that makes him a good character and written good.

Sheppard
July 15th, 2006, 10:24 PM
Ugh Kinsey i think got away. Jack should have shot him in his house. I hate Kinsey, such a rat, i guess that makes him a good character and written good.

ah i hate Kinsey i really do i really thought he died in that episode and i wished he did ah im gonna go nuts now i hope the ori kill him

captain jake
July 16th, 2006, 06:14 AM
We don't even know if he is alive do we? I mean I think he is out there but we don't know where he is an according to the sgc he is dead. Perhaps I have to re watch the episode but I think I am correct. If he did escape he is still on earth and wouldn't we have heard something by now?

Sheppard
July 16th, 2006, 07:17 AM
We don't even know if he is alive do we? I mean I think he is out there but we don't know where he is an according to the sgc he is dead. Perhaps I have to re watch the episode but I think I am correct. If he did escape he is still on earth and wouldn't we have heard something by now?

yeah he stole the transport thingy of that guy he escaped

Chaka's_Mum
August 15th, 2006, 03:27 AM
Yup. I think it's reasonable to assume that Goa'uld Kinsey managed to get his butt off that ship. Where he went is another matter, of course, but I don't know if it will ever be resolved - mainly because I doubt that anyone's in any serious hurry to rescue Good Ol' Bob from the thralls of Snakedom.

To be honest, I find his fate quite appropriate given his determination to try to take over personal control of the SGC until his superbly timed fall from grace. All for the benefit of the Nation, of course *snerk*.

Nope. Kinsey was a double dealing, blinkered, short sighted, self-seeking, power-grabbing, greedy, smug quisling with the courage of a limp lettuce leaf. Gawd Bless 'im.

Well done to Uncle Ronny for his portrayal of that thoroughly unpleasant old goat. I reckon someone should go up to the nearest petrol station and fetch a box of Ferrero Rocher to crack open in his honour.:D

Slade 155
February 14th, 2007, 11:52 AM
Yeah, who came up with the bright idea to let anyone use the ring transports on Prometheus without authorization of some sort?

vzzzzzbx
July 3rd, 2009, 04:50 PM
Kinsey as a Goa'uld.... somehow appropriate I think - strange then there is a hint he may have survived only for the character to never appear again. I guess Ronny Cox didn't want to appear in the show any more.

ManofTheAtom
July 3rd, 2009, 04:54 PM
Kinsey as a Goa'uld.... somehow appropriate I think - strange then there is a hint he may have survived only for the character to never appear again. I guess Ronny Cox didn't want to appear in the show any more.

They've said that the next SG 1 movie will be centered on O'Neil... who knows, it might include Kinsey's return.

Now that Ba'al is dead, Kinsey might be the last Goa'uld in the universe. He could rebuild the empire using the Judeo-Christian beliefs of the host and create a new rulling council of System Lords named after the Archangels.

That would be awesome.

mrscopterdoc
March 31st, 2010, 01:21 PM
Why can't Kinsey die????? At least maybe he will stay away and we don't have to see him anymore.

Paddy69
October 3rd, 2010, 10:18 PM
[QUOTE=ManofTheAtom;10354369]They've said that the next SG 1 movie will be centered on O'Neil... who knows, it might include Kinsey's return.QUOTE]

Actually, these are my thoughts exactly. I've always been wondering whether he managed to save hiss ass (wouldn't be surprised if he did), and I always considered this storyline as not being finished properly. So who knows? Maybe the 3rd movie (if we're lucky enough to see it) might answer that question.

maneth
November 16th, 2010, 08:22 AM
I really do hope he was vaporized when the alkesh was shot to pieces by the Prometheus. Loved the episode though, great intrigue!

Trig
February 1st, 2012, 01:14 AM
Watched this last night on the rewatch..

Kinsey made it off the Alkesh imho, most likely to earth as he grabbed the ribbon wrist thing that should of been in Area 51 that had a locator thing on it so its likely that his character was left open for use in the future..

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 20th, 2012, 03:24 PM
An average episode.


Mike Dopud in this first of 3 different characters he'll play over the course of the franchise.
Kinsey is dead (or is he?)
In the end, Kinsey is still kind of a dick.
You know who was missing on that Al'kesh. That Asian woman, I guess she was killed.


Tomorrow, a clip show (kind of) featuring Homer Simpson.

Krisz
March 20th, 2012, 06:29 PM
I'd go with the 'average' for the episode too.

It was an interesting idea mixing the Trust and the Goa'uld together, ready made evil hosts for the Goa'uld to use! Clever use of the mistrust amongst the governments of Earth to facilitate Earth's destruction. The Goa'uld certainly learned some new tactics from the humans on Earth, we see later how Ba'al makes use of this new approach.

Lieutenant Sparrow
March 21st, 2012, 03:58 AM
Not a bad ep. Better than most eps this season.

Came pretty close to full out war with Russia. I reckon the Prometheus would have easily won America the fight though.

And that's the end of Kinsey. Or is it? Dun dun dun ;)

Jae'a
March 22nd, 2012, 12:02 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/44578.html)

Matt G
March 25th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Another ep of SG1...

1. Mikita Couriers...I misread that as Nikita couriers and thought it was a reference to Little Nikita!

2. Forgot about the Kiselov glasses thing.

3. The biggest mistake was Jack having cack security.

4. Of all the ways for Kinsey to go out...

Solid ep.

jelgate
March 25th, 2012, 03:07 PM
This is a good episode. One last of bashing of heads with Kinsey. Its also not really Kinsey. Its kind of disappointing only the first bit is Jack and Kinsey bashing heads at one another like they use to do all the time. The episode quickly more mutates into a more conspiracy of Goa'uld infiltration on Earth. In the past I have been against the Trust story angle but this one is okay because I like the development of the Goa'uld hiding on Earth. The storyline has the potential of good development in future seasons. Also I like the political tension of the US and Russia as given the disagreements in past season it makes realastic sense. Thier was a real sense something bad was going to happen. I think it would have been an awesome 2 parter to see a small US-Russia war before the Goa'uld espoinage was discovered. The one negative part is the ambigous nature of is Kinsey dead or alive.

sgelite
August 8th, 2013, 05:27 PM
I am watching this episode now and I am wandering if the guy that plays varro in sguAnd also plays a Russian aide to the general kiseleve was a Gould as well as he was the link between the trust and the general in the first place, as revealed by Carter in this episode

Trig
August 9th, 2013, 12:52 AM
Fair to say that its two different characters played by the same guy ;)

Anja
October 10th, 2015, 05:17 AM
Love the eps with the Russians involved not only due to the tension between the USA and Russia in SG but also due to the lovely Russian accent - I know that's stupid but I really love it. I think Kinsey finally got what he deserved - now he is a pain in the universal ass.