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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 813</FONT>
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SG-1 must save a world once occupied by the Goa'uld when their former masters return to enslave them once again -- not knowing that their king is Earth's Harry Maybourne.

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keppiezbt
January 4th, 2005, 12:02 PM
spoil me rotten my british friends!!!

Teal'c
January 4th, 2005, 12:02 PM
I think the overwhelming coolness of this episode can be summed up in the following sentence:

A Puddle Jumper blew up a friggin' Ha'tak!!!! :P

It was a great episode. Pity to see Wayne Brady wasn't in it much, but he was very good.

Davinder
January 4th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Yippie. More fun than you can shake a stick at

Spoilers *DUH*

Puddle Jumper 1 - Ha'tak 0 What more can I say?!
Maybourne, from a complete git to all round nice bloke, in eight short years! (despite the wives!)

Good stuff.

DIngChavez
January 4th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Why didn't the mothership have shields? If the puddle jumper has such advanced weapons, why don't the Asgard repelicate a few and wipe out the Gou'ald?

Scoobing
January 4th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Good to see Jack offworld again, and even he said how much he missed it! :)

Lunar
January 4th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Great ep. Lots of team stuff, Carter being a bit stronger than we've seen her in other instances this season. For me, it was really great to see Jack back in the field :D!
The only other thing I would have liked would have been a little bit of sparkage between Sam and Jack when it came to relinquishing her command to him. I would have liked it if they'd given the same order at the same time or something, I know challenging her COs authority isn't really in character for Sam but still, a little something like that would have been nice, just to let us see how she's grown into her command.

keppiezbt
January 4th, 2005, 12:08 PM
someone want to write a summary? plllllllllllllllllllease

Teal'c
January 4th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Why didn't the mothership have shields? If the puddle jumper has such advanced weapons, why don't the Asgard repelicate a few and wipe out the Gou'ald?
Her'ak said in Lost City "Our shields are of no use!" The Ancient Drones pass right through Goa'uld shields.

susanmary_1
January 4th, 2005, 12:19 PM
I think I'll have to watch this episode again. I came away with a feeling that the end was really rushed, like they missed something out? Great to see Jack in the field again, (but is anyone writing new lines for Jack! He just seemed to be quoting an awful lot of his old O'Neillisms). Good team interaction, some nice Jack/Sam/Daniel moments when they find the puddle jumper and are trying to get Jack to concentrate.

nthanki
January 4th, 2005, 12:20 PM
This is SG-1 back to the good old days. It had everything. Jaffa showdown, Ancient tech, namely the timeship. I just loved this episode. Jack being off-world just brought back the memories. everything seemed perfect. Teal'c is one strong dude (we all new that but this episode confirmed it yet again) Maybourne did great as King.
The time travel situation is all making sense now and it is building up very nicely to Moebius.
The puddlejumper kicked some serious ass, the Goa'uld ship got totally owned by the jumper's two missles.
overall i think it was one of the best episodes yet.
I would explain more but Manchester United are playing, so i have to dash.

Teal'c
January 4th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Short summary.

Baal is kicking the System Lords' asses. Some are fleeing into hiding. The Tok'ra tell them that Ares is on his way to the planet they sent Maybourne to 2 years ago. SG-1 go there, find Maybourne is the king. He is believed to be a prophet.

What really happened was he found a pillar with Ancient writing on it. He translated it and learned it was a log of events, both past and future. It was written by an Ancient that travelled into the future to observe the evolution of the culture and then travelled back and made the pillar.

The pillar says that the Goa'uld will be defeated by offworlders i.e. SG-1. Teal'c then finds an Ancient Puddle Jumper hidden on the planet. They look inside and decide they need someone with the Ancient gene to fly it: Jack. They attempt to activate the Jumper but can't.

Meanwhile, Ares' Jaffa arrive, led by Trelek (Wayne Brady). The people won't leave the planet because they trust Maybourne, as their leader, will help save them from the Goa'uld. One of the natives show the Jaffa the Ancient writing and they start searching the area. They find Jack and Sam in the Jumper while Daniel and Teal'c are back in the village where they get found by Trelek.

Sam manages to get the Jumper working and they take off. They fly over the city causing a shock wave which lets Daniel, Teal'c and Maybourne attack the Jaffa. Teal'c and Trelek get into a knife fight and Teal'c kills Trelek. Jack takes the Jumper into space where Ares' Ha'tak has arrived.

Jack concentrates on using weapons and two Ancient Drones fire at the ship, but then they're out. However, the two drones did enough damage to blow the entire ship. SG-1 return to Earth and leave Maybourne with his wives.

Presumably they took the Jumper with them.

sueKay
January 4th, 2005, 12:28 PM
I loved this ep...more like SG1 - the golden years than what we normally get now - the lemon years...it seems to have been one edsol (sp?) after another this year and last.

This ep was a refreshing change!

WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT!!!!!!!

Dana_Jeanne
January 4th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Wonder when Maybourne learned to speak ancient? And what are they going to about that "special" gene in S9 once Jack is gone? Suddenly realise that Daniel can do all that stuff to from being ascended?

I was in the chat at OurStargate when they were 'talking' the episode and it sounds pretty good. I totally love to hate Maybourne, so that's a big plus right there! Plus again: they're OFF PLANET!!!

<G>

Dana Jeanne

Mr Prophet
January 4th, 2005, 12:44 PM
Jack concentrates on using weapons and two Ancient Drones fire at the ship, but then they're out. However, the two drones did enough damage to blow the entire ship.
Well, this pretty much does it. Whether they have any GJofD left or not, the Goa'uld are now officially a big, honkin' joke.

Poor, bloody Goa'uld.

Teal'c
January 4th, 2005, 12:50 PM
Well, this pretty much does it. Whether they have any GJofD left or not, the Goa'uld are now officially a big, honkin' joke.

Poor, bloody Goa'uld.
Did you miss Lost City or something? :P

Mr Prophet
January 4th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Did you miss Lost City or something? :P
End of season, swarms of missiles, sweeping waves of death. That's one thing.

Middish season, two missiles. Different story.

There were way more than two GJofD per ha'tak in The Lost City.

But on a more general note, yes I did and really the whole business should have ended there. At that point, the Goa'uld ceased to be a credible threat. Season 8 should have seen a new enemy rise, be it Anubis' new gambit from beyond the grave or the next evolution of Fifth's Replicators, the Goa'uld...just a bit sad really.

Teal'c
January 4th, 2005, 01:03 PM
End of season, swarms of missiles, sweeping waves of death. That's one thing.

Middish season, two missiles. Different story.

There were way more than two GJofD per ha'tak in The Lost City.

But on a more general note, yes I did and really the whole business should have ended there. At that point, the Goa'uld ceased to be a credible threat. Season 8 should have seen a new enemy rise, be it Anubis' new gambit from beyond the grave or the next evolution of Fifth's Replicators, the Goa'uld...just a bit sad really.
How are they not a threat? We have no way to use the weapons, they're still a huge threat. If Baal wanted he could send his fleet to Earth and destroy us, and we'd only have Prometheus and a squadron of 302s to defend the planet.

Mr Prophet
January 4th, 2005, 01:10 PM
How are they not a threat? We have no way to use the weapons, they're still a huge threat. If Baal wanted he could send his fleet to Earth and destroy us, and we'd only have Prometheus and a squadron of 302s to defend the planet.
And an Ancient outpost, for which a ZPM would no doubt show up in the nick of time, assuming the Prommie didn't just waste Ba'al's mothership.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I've rarely felt that the Earth is indeed doomed on SG-1, but usually there's some dramatic tension in the question of how the day will be saved. Low on batteries or not, the weapons to defeat any Goa'uld threat are there now.

Besides, Ba'al's fleet just isn't going to be as powerful as Anubis'. The Goa'uld played their big hand and lost; in the real world, yes they would still be a threat, but dramatically they're completely past it.

sshspooky
January 4th, 2005, 01:20 PM
a great episode. team dynamic. Jack offworld. Maybourne. Goa'uld getting blown up. a puddle jumper. a possible time travel device found in the puddle jumper. and anyone who reads spoilers will be able to realise the significance of this episode to the rest of season 8.

whether people liked the first half of season 8 or not (i personally did) the second half is shaping up to be even better, in every respect.

Hathor999
January 4th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Wonder when Maybourne learned to speak ancient? And what are they going to about that "special" gene in S9 once Jack is gone? Suddenly realise that Daniel can do all that stuff to from being ascended?

I was in the chat at OurStargate when they were 'talking' the episode and it sounds pretty good. I totally love to hate Maybourne, so that's a big plus right there! Plus again: they're OFF PLANET!!!

<G>

Dana Jeanne

Daniel was acendended but that turns him not into an ancient. The ancients are a species.Beeing acendeded is a state. And if I understand it right than the ancients included into their technology a device which reads the genetical "fingerprints" of everybody who is trying to use it. And only the ones with the right genes, which are biological descandants of the ancients can use it. The Abydonions are ascended now but that still turns them into members of the ancient race! It has nothing to do how wise or spiritual you are it´s only about if some of your ancestores were ancients or not! So I doubt that Daniel (or Sam or Teal´c) will suddenly able to use the ancient tech.
I think that BB´s character will be the new one with the ancient genes.

Hathor999
January 4th, 2005, 01:31 PM
I loved this ep...more like SG1 - the golden years than what we normally get now - the lemon years...it seems to have been one edsol (sp?) after another this year and last.

This ep was a refreshing change!

WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT!!!!!!!

That sounds great! It´s nice to hear that season 8 has still such episodes. And not only crap as "PU".

shelsfc
January 4th, 2005, 01:48 PM
Always good to see Maybourne :D and nice to see Jack off world again.

The Jumper blowing up the Ha'tak - very cool!

Great episode!!

Nee
January 4th, 2005, 02:41 PM
all i gotta say on this episode was nice bloody shot with the ancient missiles. Episode was good better then the replicarter one.

JackDaniels
January 4th, 2005, 02:43 PM
Ooohhh! What a great episode.
It was nice to hear that the Tok'ra are still around, even if we never see them (though we know Carmen's comming back soon so throws a little hint that they're still in contact).
Maybourne was great! and i found it nice to see him interacting with the other SG-1 members as opposed to just Jack. Though i do wish he'd mentioned somthing to Daniel about the fact that, as far as he knew, he was dead. But anyway, it was still great, and he really did seem like a nice guy towards the end. To see that he's no longer an ass is a lovely end to his story.
I thought it was good using this story to introduce the puddle jumper and the time ship that's onviously going to be used in Moebius. By bringing it in now, it allows a plausible length of time before they use it, instead of finding it one week and using it the next.

But the best part of this episode had to be Jack, being off world. And the fact that he still wasn't in the episode as much was (and has been getting this way for some time) less obvious. I loved the little serenade he got when he came through the gate (didi anyone else think it sounded like "Just can't wait to be King" from the Lion King?"). He even admitted that he missed it and seemed very happy with his P-90!
The most noticeable thing about this episode therefore, was how everyone reverted back to their normal roles with Jack there - Jack guns ablazing (human and ancient), Sam her little technological self, Daniel and his translations and naive enthusiasm ("concentrate") and Teal'c as his jaffa warrior self ("I promise you will die quickly"). The only sad point of this was that Teal'c went back to saying very little, like seasons past, and i have to admit I've enjoyed hearing him say more!

Another few little notes and nods to episodes past:

1. Sam and Daniel. When he was discussing his theory on the time ship and she was repeating "I don't think so Daniel" it seemed very reminiscent of 'Children of the Gods' when he was explaining his theory on there being a vast network of stargates.
2. That little annoying woman who worshipped Maybourne "Surrender your weapons or die" - so a little nod to Herak (circa Full Circle)
3. Sam's face when Maybourne said "wives" - very 'Emancipation'
4. Also, it bugged me a little that Maybourne had been able to read ancient, but thinking back to Paradise lost, he said he's been able to translate something that was in an ancient dialect (i think) so hopefully this has solved my dilemma)

It would have been nice to see Ares, or to see them take the puddle jumper through the gate. You know Jack would've enjoyed that.

All in all a great episode. I loved having the team back together an doing what they do best, and also giving us some links already to the finale (which, sob, isn't that far away!)

Gonna watch it again now!

Catysg1
January 4th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I loved that episode because it was completely off world with Jack too and his dark sunglasses on ...The whole team was great ..Love Sam in there too ..she was a great help to Jack ..Jack was smiling a bit more but still grumpy old Jack :rolleyes: He did manage to blow up the mothership and Carter gave him a really big smile to congratulate him for his first mission off world after such a long time . ;)
Daniel was used properly with his knowledge of the ancient language ;)
Maybourne was great although not as great as before but at least he was more sensible and had a bit more heart ..I suppose living with the locals taught him a few things .

I loved all the scenes in that episode really ..very entertaining ;)

Caty :)

JackDaniels
January 4th, 2005, 03:25 PM
After watching it again. I had to add one little thing. Maybourne's best line:

"Glad tidings of comfort and joy... comfort and joy!"

classic!

Watters87
January 4th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Excellent episode. Great having Maybourne back and it nice that Harry has changed from when we first saw him in 'Enigma'. Had a team feel to this episode which has been missing for too long.

The Mothership shot we saw, was that the same clip from the opening of Exodus?

Token
January 4th, 2005, 07:50 PM
I enjoyed the episode. I loved it when Sam stopped Daniel from touching the machine. lol.

When Sam and Teal'c entered the puddle jumper, it started activating. I thought the Ancient technology only activated when the Ancient gene was introduced. Am I wrong? We know that Teal'c doesn't have the gene. Does Sam? Because that was my first reaction when I saw the puddle jumper's lights come on, am I missing something? I don't really watch Atlantis but I do know the city didn't activate until the presence of the Ancient gene.

Madeleine
January 4th, 2005, 08:40 PM
The ref was blind! Spurs scored, and the ball was six feet over the line, and the goal wasn't given :( Flippin' Man U. :(:(

Erm, was I watching the wrong channel again?

DelTrax1
January 4th, 2005, 09:40 PM
I have to admit that this was one of the best episodes I haven't seen in a long time. Can't wait for more. Can't say that the next few episodes look that good. And what about the end. Anyone?

DelTrax1
January 4th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Oh yeah.....Should we expect more Cameo's? Got say that it just means that Sg-1 is more popular than some of you thought.

AlphaBlu
January 4th, 2005, 10:55 PM
That was a fantastic episodes. More episodes like that and I won't have to spend money on that hypnotist to wipe Season 7 from my mind 'cause with this kind've ep I just forgot Season 7 happened!

It hit all the right buttons for me, and then added a Puddle Jumper. What could be better? It was SG-1 Old Skool, something that's been missing since the end of Homecoming.

I think, and I stress think, that the writers have finally gotten a handle on how to use RDA's schedual. This Season has been far superior to Season 7 in almost every way, and they don't seem to be fumbling about looking for reasons why Jack can't be there and reasons why certain cast members aren't as prominent due to the filming of multiple episodes at once (exception being Covenant, where Teal'c should've been 'off world' for the episode because his miniscule role was just embarassing and made it look like the writers were trying to fit him in somewhere).

We didn't have Daniel being a gun-toting super-commando, we had him being his usual self, and getting his ass kicked in HTH combat by a Jaffa (and not winning - he had to be saved). We had Teal'c fighting, JACK FIGHTING, Sam doing her techno-stuff. Maybourne!

And a Puddle Jumper. I think all Stargate episodes should have Puddle Jumpers in them! ;)

Question is, did they take the PJ with them before they left? Were they coming back? And where would it go once it got him? Or would they just sent it to the Alpha Site straight off?

I really enjoyed that episode. Next week is Kinsey and Chekov ey? Well, onwards and upwards!

BYE

Anubis
January 4th, 2005, 11:09 PM
Now wasn't this just a cool episode? I wouldn't say it was the best, but certainly not the worst.

The comedy from Jack to Maybourne, and from Maybourne to Trelak (or something). But I think the effect of how powerful the Gou'ald there was somewhat a lot different, because there was a lot of mocking between everyone. Perhaps because of SG-1 being there, maybe now. ;)

I liked how SG-1 walked into the village to see Maybourne treated like royalty, or being King of the village. :P I couldn't help but laugh. :D

The final scenes of the episode were really cool with the flowers and wives stuff. :P Had me laughing. Gives a lot of hope for the remainder of the season. ;)


Favourite scene : The fight between Teal'c and Trelak;

Trelak : "You are a man of your word".
Teal'c : "Indeed". *stabs Trelak in chest* :D

And then he just walks away like nothing happened. :P

insomniac8400
January 4th, 2005, 11:15 PM
In my opinion this is the best episode this season. It was cool to see the little puddle jumper decimate a mother ship like that.

njsutorius
January 4th, 2005, 11:17 PM
i enjoyed it cause its sg1 but i think we all can agree the writers have fully committed to sga.. 2 ancient missles destroy a monther ship.. rda held this episode together.. i mean i dunno they need to end this season quick and hopefully they will start fresh on season 9 with the new cast :( golden days im afraid are gone..

TheWarrior
January 4th, 2005, 11:59 PM
An Offworld mission - An Offworld mission!!!!
A Team mission - A Team mission!!!!

Haven't seen one of these in ages - and as many people pointed out, it felt like the old days. :)

I had high hopes for this episode and it didn't disapoint me, here are my thoughts:

Good:
- Nice to see Maybourne in again, he grew on me and good to see him interact more with SG-1. Did anyone notice thoe that Teal'c didn't seem to keen to speak to him - does he still hold a grudge against the incident in season 2? As someone else mentioned - Maybourne asks where Jack is but doesn't mention Daniel is back in living form etc.

- Daniel doing a small piece of his usual work - translating writing.
- Teal'c fighting and doing what he does best
- Carter doing what she does best and try to make something work.
- Jack doing what he does best - kill Jaffa.

- Loved the scene when Jack comes through with the music playing!
- Why didn't Jack zat the Jaffa twice as it would have been more silent and not led the rest of the Jaffa to the Puddle Jumper.


Nitpicks:
- I thought the Puddle Jumper and ruins where a long way from the town - so how can Jack's Tauri weapon noise be heard all the way back in the village - true wind direction but still bit odd.

- Why did Daniel and Teal'c try and leave the city - I know they might have thought Jack needed help but it was obvious that anyone leaving the town might be a member of the Tauri.

- Can Jaffa read Ancient text now - as the Jaffa viewed the writing and sent the rest of the Jaffa out to search the area like he knew there was a ship around!


Overall a Good Episode - and good to see the Puddle Jumper in the SG-1 galaxy. Spoilers Apparently this Puddle Jumper is the one Dr. Weir used in "Before I Sleep" if I read Gateworld correct.

I think the reason the Puddle Jumper's two glowing jellyfish destroyed the Hatak with great ease was Ares does not have the same shields Anubis has on his motherships. So all the jellyfish of doom that were fired at Anubis in "The Lost City" were needed as Anubis has powerful shields.

I have also thought of something about this episode that needs me to write down in Word to make it quite easy to understand and I will post it - it is regarding time - travel Ancient etc - so look forward to that! :rolleyes:

Buzz Lightyear
January 5th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Why didn't the mothership have shields? If the puddle jumper has such advanced weapons, why don't the Asgard repelicate a few and wipe out the Gou'ald?

Either the mothership may not have activated shields thinking the little puddle jumper no threat or the Ancient missiles easily penetrated the shields just like in "Lost City".

As for replicating the weapons, even the Asgard have a hard time understanding Ancient technology.


The only other thing I would have liked would have been a little bit of sparkage between Sam and Jack when it came to relinquishing her command to him. I would have liked it if they'd given the same order at the same time or something, I know challenging her COs authority isn't really in character for Sam but still, a little something like that would have been nice, just to let us see how she's grown into her command.

This is a spoiler thread. No need to hide "spoiler" information.

Sam did not need to relinquish anything. It's called "chain of command". Jack's her commanding officer so whenever he's around, she would naturally defer to him. Besides, neither Daniel nor Teal'c are your typical subordinates; they're more like colleagues than underlings. It there had been another SG team there, led by a major or lower rank, then we might have seen Sam issuing orders regarding reconnaissance and troop deployment.


Wonder when Maybourne learned to speak ancient? And what are they going to about that "special" gene in S9 once Jack is gone? Suddenly realise that Daniel can do all that stuff to from being ascended?

One doesn't have to speak a language to be able to read it. I'm sure there are many people in the SGC who can read Ancient. It's just a matter of setting aside the time to study the language. Also, I'm sure not all the people with the Ancient gene went to Atlantis because they'd want to have more options than just Jack to operate the Ancient outpost's defenses. However, unless, Daniel got a successful gene injection, I don't think he can operate anything keyed to Ancient DNA.


When Sam and Teal'c entered the puddle jumper, it started activating. I thought the Ancient technology only activated when the Ancient gene was introduced. Am I wrong? We know that Teal'c doesn't have the gene. Does Sam? Because that was my first reaction when I saw the puddle jumper's lights come on, am I missing something? I don't really watch Atlantis but I do know the city didn't activate until the presence of the Ancient gene.

And why aren't you watching Atlantis? :eek:

To answer your question, only SOME Ancient technology requires the presence of the gene. Atlantis' basic systems came online when it detected the presence of people but certain equipment only responded to persons with the gene.

Buzz Lightyear
January 5th, 2005, 01:01 AM
I liked how SG-1 walked into the village to see Maybourne treated like royalty, or being King of the village. :P I couldn't help but laugh. :D

Did anyone else have a sudden impression of the original Star Trek episode, "I, Mudd"? Of course, Harry Maybourne got a better fate than Harry Mudd. :D



Favourite scene : The fight between Teal'c and Trelak;

Trelak : "You are a man of your word".
Teal'c : "Indeed". *stabs Trelak in chest* :D

And then he just walks away like nothing happened. :P

Actually, I think Teal'c may have stabbed Trelek in his symbiote pouch.

Wass
January 5th, 2005, 01:02 AM
The ref was blind! Spurs scored, and the ball was six feet over the line, and the goal wasn't given :( Flippin' Man U. :(:(

Erm, was I watching the wrong channel again?

Hey Mrs W I had a look at the goal on MOTD and couldn’t believe it the ref needs to be disciplined by FA.

Hatcheter
January 5th, 2005, 01:23 AM
That was a pretty fun episode. Nice to see Maybourne again, he's come a long way, hasn't he? I especially liked how, when he told the village the truth, they pointed out all the things he had done to make their lifestyle better. And then you find out he has several wives, so he's still something of a heel. :D

You know, people who have to wait to see the new eps in order (and haven't been reading spoilers) are going to get an interesting look at things. SG-1 just happens to find a Puddle Jumper in one episode, then, two weeks later, Atlantis tells where it came from. And things will tie together further late this season. Who says TPTB are just slogging along?

Regarding the two drones, remember that these are smart, tough little weapons. In 'Lost City', and again in 'New Order' we say how they can punch through objects and continue on, until they find something they want to blow up on/in. They're also manuverable enough, at low speeds, to circle an individual. I don't think it's out of the question that those things could have punched right through to the Ha'tak's reactors and blown them apart. But that's just me. :cool:

TheWarrior
January 5th, 2005, 01:40 AM
If I remember what Daniel said:

He said that the Ancients or Ancient went forward in time to a time when the planet was hit by an Earthquake – a flood and then when the evil gods came back and travellers from another world defeated them.

Well if the Ancient went forward in time to that event – then this Ancient must have been on the planet when SG-1 were there then defeating the enemy. But – here is where it may get confusing for myself or you – if this Ancient used the time device in the Jumper to get to the future and is on the planet when SG-1 are on fighting the Goa’uld – how did the Ancient go back in time to write down the event if SG-1 stole the Puddle Jumper!

So basically – was there an Ancient on that planet?

1: An Ancient uses the Puddle Jumper to go forward in time – 2005 when the Goa’uld arrive and SG-1 the travellers arrive to defeat the Goa’uld.

2: The only way SG-1 could defeat the Goa’uld is with the Puddle Jumper, which means then the Ancient would not be able to go back in time to write down the events.

3: But then if the Ancient didn’t go back in time to write down the events how were the events written on the ruins?


See, now I am confused. Have a go yourself in working this one out. I look forward to your ideas.

Blend
January 5th, 2005, 01:55 AM
To the person saying that when jacks gone will they just magic up some way for daniel or someone to use it..

U must remember that Beckett made a way to inject the gene into humans... And Atlantis will have Regular contact with earth very soon, meaning that we will also have that ability.

Catalase
January 5th, 2005, 02:05 AM
[QUOTE=TheWarrior]1: An Ancient uses the Puddle Jumper to go forward in time – 2005 when the Goa’uld arrive and SG-1 the travellers arrive to defeat the Goa’uld.

2: The only way SG-1 could defeat the Goa’uld is with the Puddle Jumper, which means then the Ancient would not be able to go back in time to write down the events.

3: But then if the Ancient didn’t go back in time to write down the events how were the events written on the ruins?
[QUOTE]
1. An ancient uses the Jumper to view the defeat of the Goa'uld by SG-1, using the time ship.
2. The ancient goes off through time and does whatever.
3. At some point the ancient goes back in time to the planet and leaves his ship there, so that SG-1 can find it and fulfil the events he saw eariler.

That's my theory.

Alpha17X
January 5th, 2005, 04:15 AM
I figure he watched in the cloaked puddle jumper.and maybe went back in time far enough to tell a duplicate of himself what to do while he did something else. I dunno.. time travel hurts my feelings and my brain.

TST
January 5th, 2005, 04:23 AM
[QUOTE=TheWarrior]1: An Ancient uses the Puddle Jumper to go forward in time – 2005 when the Goa’uld arrive and SG-1 the travellers arrive to defeat the Goa’uld.

2: The only way SG-1 could defeat the Goa’uld is with the Puddle Jumper, which means then the Ancient would not be able to go back in time to write down the events.

3: But then if the Ancient didn’t go back in time to write down the events how were the events written on the ruins?
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1. An ancient uses the Jumper to view the defeat of the Goa'uld by SG-1, using the time ship.
2. The ancient goes off through time and does whatever.
3. At some point the ancient goes back in time to the planet and leaves his ship there, so that SG-1 can find it and fulfil the events he saw eariler.

That's my theory.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, although to watch the defeat of the Ha'Tak, and not be detected by the sensors on Jack/Sams version, it would have to be cloaked, though I would assume the Ancients would be able to detect their own cloaking devices (though then again, that probably defeats the purpose).

But, overall I thought that was a great episode, best in a long time. What puzzled me was why they didn't send an army or at least substantial reinforcements and equipment so secure the timeship, seeing as how it's one of the biggest discoveries since the Antarctic base.

TheWarrior
January 5th, 2005, 05:12 AM
Time travel is still confusing - cuz if SG-1 took the only time travelling Puddle Jumper he can't travel back to write the info on the ruins.

Be good to see if the writers could explain this one. :rolleyes:

veneticuss
January 5th, 2005, 05:14 AM
The episode was good. I just hope they will be able to get it to a better stage, once they got a message from Atlantis. :)

keppiezbt
January 5th, 2005, 05:14 AM
If I remember what Daniel said:

He said that the Ancients or Ancient went forward in time to a time when the planet was hit by an Earthquake – a flood and then when the evil gods came back and travellers from another world defeated them.

Well if the Ancient went forward in time to that event – then this Ancient must have been on the planet when SG-1 were there then defeating the enemy. But – here is where it may get confusing for myself or you – if this Ancient used the time device in the Jumper to get to the future and is on the planet when SG-1 are on fighting the Goa’uld – how did the Ancient go back in time to write down the event if SG-1 stole the Puddle Jumper!

So basically – was there an Ancient on that planet?

1: An Ancient uses the Puddle Jumper to go forward in time – 2005 when the Goa’uld arrive and SG-1 the travellers arrive to defeat the Goa’uld.

2: The only way SG-1 could defeat the Goa’uld is with the Puddle Jumper, which means then the Ancient would not be able to go back in time to write down the events.

3: But then if the Ancient didn’t go back in time to write down the events how were the events written on the ruins?


See, now I am confused. Have a go yourself in working this one out. I look forward to your ideas.


his time line is dfferent. Ancient uses PJ to se SG-1 then goes back writes down what he saw, leaves the PJ there. Fast foward to 2005, PJ still there SG-1 uses it. The ancient is watching from the PJ of the past not the present.

think of it this way- time is linear. so here u need 3 points. A= ancient takes the ship, B = ancient return the ship, c= sg1 uses the ship.

A happens first. takes the ship to C. but then returns the ship to point B. Since point B is before C. the ship is still there. If the anicent took the ship and left it in the future, it wouldnt be there but since he left it in the past it is there. so long as the ancient returns the ship anytime before point C, the ship will be there.

TheWarrior
January 5th, 2005, 05:19 AM
Ok that has cleaned it up abit more - but its interesting and the writers must have sat down for a while to work this out so they don't make a mistake and caught out. :)

Token
January 5th, 2005, 05:44 AM
<snip>

And why aren't you watching Atlantis? :eek: LOL! I know it may seem strange, but my reasons probably are better explained in another thread. ;)



To answer your question, only SOME Ancient technology requires the presence of the gene. Atlantis' basic systems came online when it detected the presence of people but certain equipment only responded to persons with the gene.
Thank you. So from your Atlantis watching, this is how the puddle jumpers react to human presence?

Token
January 5th, 2005, 05:49 AM
his time line is dfferent. Ancient uses PJ to se SG-1 then goes back writes down what he saw, leaves the PJ there. Fast foward to 2005, PJ still there SG-1 uses it. The ancient is watching from the PJ of the past not the present.

think of it this way- time is linear. so here u need 3 points. A= ancient takes the ship, B = ancient return the ship, c= sg1 uses the ship.

A happens first. takes the ship to C. but then returns the ship to point B. Since point B is before C. the ship is still there. If the anicent took the ship and left it in the future, it wouldnt be there but since he left it in the past it is there. so long as the ancient returns the ship anytime before point C, the ship will be there.
I would add that since he saw SG-1 with his PJ then he knew he had to leave it on that planet before point C for point C to happen at all. He could have made the choice not to leave the PJ at all and then point C wouldn't have happened like "2010". I guess the Ancient approved of the usage of his PJ. ;)

the dancer of spaz
January 5th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Dude... I am so excited about these three eps, I don't even know what to do with myself. ;) Thanks for all of the summaries, guys! Very cool! :D

... Now all I have to do is wait for Suzanne to put the transcript up on her site. Mwahahaha!

When it comes to putting together arcs, it seems like TPTB have done a great job in leaving pretty much nothing to chance for Moebius. They've pretty much been leading us to this point since the beginning of the season, which I think is a first. Some of this arc was even established in the "infamous" seventh season - a season, which I will heartily admit that I liked. Alot. Ever since Jack made that weapon in New Order, Sam was replicated, and Baal became really powerful, they've been leading up to this point, and I am very, very, very, VERY excited. :P

Pictures anyone? ;)

Elite Anubis Guard
January 5th, 2005, 09:22 AM
wow this episode rocked, and that shot of the mothership near the middle of the episode made it looked so awesome so did the scene with that and the timeship

.:Lemon:.
January 5th, 2005, 09:28 AM
Cool ep :p Nice to see Harry again, and there was quite a bit of O'Neill in this episode which is usually a good thing :D

IndianaJones00
January 5th, 2005, 09:33 AM
This was a really great episode, I read the description of it a few weeks ago but until I saw it I had completely forgotten this was the episode where they find the timeship.

Also, if the time travelling in this episode made your head hurt, they dont watch the Atlantis episode 'Before I Sleep' as that will make your head explode lol

Ugly Pig
January 5th, 2005, 10:17 AM
Warning! May contain small objects hazardous to children under 3 as well as spoilers for the Atlantis episode 'Before I Sleep'.


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'It's Good To Be King'

Nice! This was actually the most enjoyable SG-1 has been in a while, in my... cough, cough ..."humble" opinion. But how can an (off-world!) episode featuring good old Maybourne (Yeah... "good old".), a puddle-jumper-turned-time-ship, a Goa'uld invasion and Jack actually going off-world and playing a significant part not be enjoyable? Okay, I suppose it is theoretically possible, but this was good anyway.

Also, this really felt like SG-1. That's not a sure thing with any SG-1 episode these days. 'Prometheus Unbound', for instance, felt to me like it was taken straight out of some whole other series. It didn't suck or anything, but it's nice to see the show I fell in love with every now and again, even in its 8th season.

Now, then. The puddle jumper makes its debut on SG-1, although it's never referred to as a "puddle jumper" as it is on Atlantis. I wonder if next time we see it, SG-1 will have had contact with the Atlantis team and will know what to call it? (Interesting side note: Appearantly, it's significantly more difficult for Jack to control the ship than it is for Sheppard. Also; dialogue confirms that Jack has the Ancient gene. But we already knew that, didn't we? ;))Also, it obviously appears Janus was succesfull in creating a new time ship after returning to the Milky Way. The "time device" plug-in was the same as in 'Before I Sleep'... wasn't it?

In other news: It appears we still have some contact with the Tok'ra, at least to the extent that they keep us in the loop on the important stuff. We get a nice rundown of which System Lords have been killed off lately, and who are likely to get killed. I was sort of relieved that Maybourne didn't strike a deal with any of them, the way early spoilers led me to believe. He was obviously just stalling for time with the First Prime guy, fully believing that SG-1 would defeat the baddies. But does anyone find it odd that he was surprised at Jack's promotion, but appearantly didn't give a second thought to seeing Daniel alive and well?

Best line: "You are a man of your word."


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darman
January 5th, 2005, 10:38 AM
did he say "they're torturing that ditty"?

rofl

Buzz Lightyear
January 5th, 2005, 10:47 AM
Thank you. So from your Atlantis watching, this is how the puddle jumpers react to human presence?

I hope it's not too big a spoiler since this thread is for SG-1 (and PJs were introduced in the Atlantis pilot), but yes, that's pretty much how PJs react.

Buzz Lightyear
January 5th, 2005, 10:48 AM
did he say "they're torturing that diddy"?

rofl

I believe the word he used was "ditty".

IMForeman
January 5th, 2005, 11:32 AM
Sung to the Tune of Particle Man:

Tubular Ship, Tubular Ship
Tubular Ship hates Pyramid Ship
They have a fight
Tubular wins,
Tubular ship.

:D

This was a really fun episode. Jack Offworld again... his reaction to the Jumper was very O'Neill (NiiiIIICE!). Wayne Brady's very understated First Prime.

"Lower your weapons!"
"God, I missed going offworld!"

-IMF

Ancients Rising
January 5th, 2005, 11:59 AM
This episode felt so very rushed.

The Spuds goal vs. Mancs.....remember it's Old Trafford, Red Nose always gets his way there if it isn't Shrek diving or Horseface gallivanting around like a lunatic there is always something to talk about.

Laughable decision, utterly laughable. That linesman should be sacked.

Back on topic....

Maybe this has been asked before, but when did Maybourne learn Ancient?

Mr Prophet
January 5th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Maybe this has been asked before, but when did Maybourne learn Ancient?
Evening classes.

keppiezbt
January 5th, 2005, 12:18 PM
This episode felt so very rushed.

The Spuds goal vs. Mancs.....remember it's Old Trafford, Red Nose always gets his way there if it isn't Shrek diving or Horseface gallivanting around like a lunatic there is always something to talk about.

Laughable decision, utterly laughable. That linesman should be sacked.

Back on topic....

Maybe this has been asked before, but when did Maybourne learn Ancient?

given that he was part of the NID. he prob picked it up while there

Elite Anubis Guard
January 5th, 2005, 12:20 PM
magnets taught, how else if they hadnt av we wouldnt have had the cool episode!

Crazedwraith
January 5th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Not liking this one at all. Maybourne wasn't maybourne. There was no tension, I mean a SL we've never heard of is coming, oh no! They ruined the humour potential for Aries (i mean they could have least hired the guy from Hercules)

And the humour that was in the episode was flat and not very good. I mena "Jack can't cocentrate LOL!!11!!one!", and Mayborune getting whacked by the Jaffa went he tries to help Teal'c is just stupid

Maybourne despite turnuing over a new leaf does bugger all to help his subjects are take an means to aid them even when they're at staff point.

This entire episode could have worked better if it wasn't Maybourne at all. So then SG-1 would be trying to figire out if the guy was a seer or not and if so how it was possible? (they could actually mention Jonas and 'prophecy'!!) and what should they do if by leaving preventing their own fate and screwing up time.

Then they could remove the puddle jumper all together. Then take out the mothership with two linked shots was stupid anyway. then we can leave Jack at base in true Hammond fashion and actually concentrate on good ol' SG-1 going off the PA1-123 getting in trouble and gwtting out of it again.

Mr Prophet
January 5th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Not liking this one at all. Maybourne wasn't maybourne. There was no tension, I mean a SL we've never heard of is coming, oh no! They ruined the humour potential for Aries (i mean they could have least hired the guy from Hercules)
They really, really couldn't. :(

Shipperahoy
January 5th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Indeed. Poor Hercules/Xena Ares. May he rest in peace.

I like it. Although, was my mind playing tricks on me or was Maybourne wearing a codpiece?

DarkQuee1
January 5th, 2005, 01:03 PM
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I'd have to go back and watch "Paradise Lost", but I don't remember anyone telling Harry that Daniel had died. REmember, when that happened, Harry was already on the run. Where would he get that information? He no longer had an in with the NID, he wasn't friends with Kinsey and the SGC didn't post it on the internet. :p

There's no reason to assume that he knew and the fact that he didn't show any surprise in the episode would confirm, in a very subtle way, that he didn't have idea about Daniel's ascension and return.

J.

kiwigater
January 5th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Indeed. Poor Hercules/Xena Ares. May he rest in peace.

I like it. Although, was my mind playing tricks on me or was Maybourne wearing a codpiece?
ROFL, ah, no, your mind does NOT deceive you :p I noticed that too, about half way thru.
Overall, I enjoyed this ep more than I have any other in a long time :D Finally an ep that reminds me of why I LOVE this show. Off world, Jack for more than 2 sec, Daniel doing some actual translating, Sam figuring out how to make stuff work, Teal'c kicking ass, I miss this stuff!
The biggest thing wrong with this ep for me, was that it ended way too soon :p I'm not saying it was perfect, I could nitpick if I wanted to, but it was leaps and bounds better than most of the first part of s8 (IMHO).
I just hope the rest of the season can follow on so well :D

IMForeman
January 5th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Indeed. Poor Hercules/Xena Ares. May he rest in peace.


:( Kevin Smith (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0808963/) was good actor.

Crazedwraith
January 5th, 2005, 01:14 PM
*Reads MrProphet's and Shipperahoy's posts*

Aww crap. Inserting foot directly into mouth. Sorry Everyone.

Madeleine
January 5th, 2005, 02:48 PM
given that he was part of the NID. he prob picked it up while there

The Ref was part of the NID? Or the Man U manager? :confused:

... actually, both would explain a fair bit.

Okay, I'll be sensible now.

I had a fun time watching this one. It felt like classic SG-1, and yet it couldn't just have been lifted from s3 or s4. It had all the team and all with a decent part to play, it had a believable excuse for getting Jack offworld, (offworld yay! yay! yay!) it had Harry, and it had action. Sam got to make decisions, lead the team and assert herself a bit, and then got to say "I think" about the alien tech she was trying to fix (now that's rare). Teal'c had lovely interchanges with Ares' FP (pity he's dead, he was authoritative and measured and a jolly good FP). Daniel got to peer at inscriptions. Harry has wives :rolleyes: .

I was a little uncertain at first; the rest of SG-1 really can't hold their own against Harry like Jack can. If any ep since ZH really needed Jack, this was it. I cheered up when they found the PJ cos it was like a big subtitle came up saying guess who's leaving his desk any minute:).

At the end though, why didn't they fly through the gate? They walked. Had they already taken the ship through and then come back?

Madeleine
January 5th, 2005, 02:51 PM
was my mind playing tricks on me or was Maybourne wearing a codpiece?

He was wearing a codpiece :rolleyes: . It was less... eyecatching :S than the ones in the c16 costume display in Hever Castle :eek: , but much rounder :confused:

Major Tyler
January 5th, 2005, 03:10 PM
This was a great episode! My only complaint is the Puddlejumper..."Brotherhood" Okay, so in "Brotherhood" a completely well-kept and functional PJ can be destroyed by a couple pot-shots from a Wraith Dart, but an old PJ with a jury-rigged power grid can withstand fire from a Goa'uld mothership and blow it up with two shots. I'm a little dubious about this one. The only thing I can think of is that this "time traveling PJ" has more advanced weapons/defenses than your average Puddlejumper.

I guess I'm just bitter because Sgt. Markham was killed. http://img12.exs.cx/img12/6311/cryface7dx.gif

thetron
January 5th, 2005, 03:22 PM
But the best part of this episode had to be Jack, being off world. And the fact that he still wasn't in the episode as much was (and has been getting this way for some time) less obvious. I loved the little serenade he got when he came through the gate (didi anyone else think it sounded like "Just can't wait to be King" from the Lion King?"). He even admitted that he missed it and seemed very happy with his P-90!

I thinking could of been the theme from MacGyver :)

Stargate Agent
January 5th, 2005, 03:53 PM
AWESOME CROSSOVER STUFF

If your a Canadian viewer you know from "Before I Sleep" that this is Janus' timeship who rebuilt it after returning to earth which would explain why the ship is in the Milky Way Galaxy and not Pegasus

Weir is gonna be happy to learn about Janus' timeship.

Anyone else pick up on this?? Cuz new Atlantis episodes are only airing in Canada right now at least up till Brotherhood...?

the dancer of spaz
January 5th, 2005, 04:48 PM
This episode felt so very rushed.

The Spuds goal vs. Mancs.....remember it's Old Trafford, Red Nose always gets his way there if it isn't Shrek diving or Horseface gallivanting around like a lunatic there is always something to talk about.

Laughable decision, utterly laughable. That linesman should be sacked.




Whoa, whoa, whoa... Are you speaking English?

:p


DoS

DelTrax1
January 5th, 2005, 05:03 PM
Do it! Do it!

lordvader
January 5th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Is it just me, or are the Puddle Jumpers the ugliest damned ships in the galaxy ?

I mean, look at all the other ancient tech, and then look at a PJ. It's like ALL the designers took a day off when they designed that thing .....

Ugh ....

Teal'c
January 5th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Is it just me, or are the Puddle Jumpers the ugliest damned ships in the galaxy ?

I mean, look at all the other ancient tech, and then look at a PJ. It's like ALL the designers took a day off when they designed that thing .....

Ugh ....
It's just you.

Now, I'll try to explain the time travel thing, as it is (as always) very confusing.

Basically what happened is an Ancient 10,000 years ago built the time device in the Puddle Jumper and travelled forward to a time after SG-1 defeated Aries (He wasn't there watching SG-1). He then went back several hundred years and wrote down the events on the pillar and left his Puddle Jumper there.

Now, when the Ancient did that he changed everything that happened from then on. Obviously things like the earthquake and the flood were still going to occur, leaving the pillar and PJ couldn't change that. But other things did change, and that's the timeline we see.

In the timeline we didn't get to see Maybourne wouldn't have become king ("There was no specific mention of me") and SG-1 wouldn't have got the PJ. Fighting off Aries probably would have been a lot more difficult.

I hope you can all understand that :P

Now some spoilers for Before I Sleep and Mobius We know this is how time travel works with the Time Jumper. Weir going back in BIS created a new timeline where the power in Atlantis lasts a bit longer and the failsafe saves the city. SG-1 going back in Mobius changes the timeline to whatever we get to see in Mobius Part 2. And the Ancient here (most likely Janus) changed the planet by telling them what would happen. (Perhaps an experiment to see the effects of time travel? He observes their history, takes note and then checks what happens after leaving the pillar there)

lordvader
January 5th, 2005, 06:40 PM
Oh no .....

Can the moderators please shut down all threads that involve time travel "explanations" and "theories" ?
There are so many, and they get rediculously stupid (not saying the previous post was stupid btw).

Leave the time travel discussion to theoretical physicist's, and accept the fact that Stargate is science FICTION, not FATC.

Thank you, and goodnight.

jyh
January 5th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Ummmm... possibly a stupid question: How is everyone 'reviewing' and 'rating' this episode, when it hasn't aired yet? At least, it hasn't aired in MY reality. Is everyone in an alternate universe, or did you time-travel in order to see it?

IMForeman
January 5th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Is it just me, or are the Puddle Jumpers the ugliest damned ships in the galaxy ?

I mean, look at all the other ancient tech, and then look at a PJ. It's like ALL the designers took a day off when they designed that thing .....

Ugh ....

It may just be you. I love the Jumpers. I think they look stylish and cool.

-IMF

Brassguy
January 5th, 2005, 07:39 PM
Ummmm... possibly a stupid question: How is everyone 'reviewing' and 'rating' this episode, when it hasn't aired yet? At least, it hasn't aired in MY reality. Is everyone in an alternate universe, or did you time-travel in order to see it?

Episode #13 of SG-1 "It's Good To Be King" was shown in the UK on TUES.

Episode #16 of SG-A "The Brotherhood" was shown in Canada on Monday.

Next monday and tues #17 SGA and #14 SG-1

The ppl from the UK and Canada have seen those episodes and everyone else who is discussing it got them through...alternate means.........read the "do not discuss downloading episodes" threads.

I see that you are from the USA like me. Sci-fi will air episodes #11 of SG-1 and SG-A on Jan 21.

Hatcheter
January 5th, 2005, 08:19 PM
At the end though, why didn't they fly through the gate? They walked. Had they already taken the ship through and then come back?

The PJ is too big to fit in the Gateroom at the SGC. Or the Alpha Site, for that matter. They'll have to find some where else to hide it, or at least modify one of said locations to bring the ship in. Hmm...maybe they turn the SGC's gate onto it's back and open the overhead shaft. Just fly the thing straight up and out to Area 51. :cool:

Buzz Lightyear
January 5th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Is it just me, or are the Puddle Jumpers the ugliest damned ships in the galaxy ?

I mean, look at all the other ancient tech, and then look at a PJ. It's like ALL the designers took a day off when they designed that thing .....

Ugh ....

They look fine to me. Besides, puddle jumpers are essentially shuttle craft and most such transports are designed for short-ranged flights, hauling cargo and meant to fit inside small spaces. They're not intended as fighter craft.

Nathan
January 5th, 2005, 08:54 PM
This episode is on tonight in Australia. Looking forward to it. i just hope there are no Atlantis references in it otherwise they will be cut from the show here.

SaharaGate
January 6th, 2005, 01:50 AM
Great ep!:D :D For all the same reasons as everybody else.

Did anybody else immediately think of the RDA Thunk Thread here on Gateworld when O'Neill made his "Who would've *thunk* it" comment?

Mmm, wonder if Joe has been sneaking a peek? ;)

Could it be a deliberate reference? I guess it wouldn't be the first time...?

Unas
January 6th, 2005, 02:11 AM
Is it just me, or are the Puddle Jumpers the ugliest damned ships in the galaxy ?

I mean, look at all the other ancient tech, and then look at a PJ. It's like ALL the designers took a day off when they designed that thing .....

Ugh ....


Uglier than the Promethius? Nah.

jyh
January 6th, 2005, 02:19 AM
Episode #13 of SG-1 "It's Good To Be King" was shown in the UK on TUES.

Episode #16 of SG-A "The Brotherhood" was shown in Canada on Monday.

Next monday and tues #17 SGA and #14 SG-1

The ppl from the UK and Canada have seen those episodes and everyone else who is discussing it got them through...alternate means.........read the "do not discuss downloading episodes" threads.

I see that you are from the USA like me. Sci-fi will air episodes #11 of SG-1 and SG-A on Jan 21.


Interesting... I thought that eps were usually shown in the US first. I have no idea why I thought that, but usually the US posters are slapped at for 'spoiling' episodes before they're shown elsewhere. At least, that's been MY experience.

david2708
January 6th, 2005, 02:31 AM
Was a so so ep. Don't know why everyone is raving about it. I suspect because the rest of season eight has been so bad that anything in comparison looks great.
Very, very average, I'm afraid.

Nathan
January 6th, 2005, 02:34 AM
It was good in that it wrapped up the whole Maybourne thing. We know he is staying where he is. There will be no more HArry Maybourne I would doubt. Consider the Maybourne thread tied.

I liked the line by Jack "God I miss going offworld!"

The two shots from teh timeship that took out the mothership was .... easy. Lucky for them they hit something vital.

Nathan
January 6th, 2005, 02:35 AM
Did anybody else immediately think of the RDA Thunk Thread here on Gateworld when O'Neill made his "Who would've *thunk* it" comment?
I thought that too. I heard him say it but thought "Hmmm where have I heard that before". It didn't click until I came on here.

Imzadi
January 6th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Great ep!:D :D For all the same reasons as everybody else.

Did anybody else immediately think of the RDA Thunk Thread here on Gateworld when O'Neill made his "Who would've *thunk* it" comment?

Mmm, wonder if Joe has been sneaking a peek? ;)

Could it be a deliberate reference? I guess it wouldn't be the first time...?

The first thing I thought was "The Gutter Gals are gonna go crazy" :D. I thought the same with all the references to ship ;).


I really enjoyed this episode, it reminded me of the old SG-1 :)

MagnoliaAnaglypta
January 6th, 2005, 04:06 AM
Is it just me, or are the Puddle Jumpers the ugliest damned ships in the galaxy ?


....
Nope. That's the Prometheus.

SaharaGate
January 6th, 2005, 04:07 AM
The first thing I thought was "The Gutter Gals are gonna go crazy" :D. I thought the same with all the references to ship ;).


I really enjoyed this episode, it reminded me of the old SG-1 :)

Yes it was a real stroll down memory lane :D Especially liked the flowers at the end for some reason.

Maybe they'll tell us in the DVD commentary whether it was an intentional reference :D

Although...if RDA knows about the gutter gals, that must either be a REALLY REALLY good thing or a REALLY REALLY :o :o :o :o :o :o thing.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 6th, 2005, 05:25 AM
Just saw the ep. It was pretty good; kind of like a season one romp aged to irreverant maturity. From the few publicity photos I saw I was expecting Monty Python-esque shenanigans.

The first time Sam brought her face in close to Maybourne's I was expecting another great Foothold line, especially since she probably wanted to hurt the guy, badly, after what he put her through in PL, but.... Nothin'.... Drat. :(

I did like the reference to The Grateful Dead :D The sound for the ep was very bad; what was the welcoming ditty they played for Jack?

Maybourne was not quite there in this ep; his "coming clean" speech was too Disney for my tastes. I'd have liked him to play that part in character - he's smarter and craftier than that. I do appreciate how his time with these people has softened him. His scene with the kids was cute and I couldn't help but compare it with his scene with Ally in Bane. I guess he don't smell so bad, anymore, eh? :D

I haven't been able to make sense of why the timeship was on the planet, but I've only seen the ep once, with terrible sound, so I'm looking forward to reading your posts on the subject. :) It made sense, to me, that Jack would have all kinds of trouble making it work but then, when he got going it became easier.

The pulldown controls at the rear of the Puddle Jumper must be a common component in all Ancient tech. Sam had no trouble locating it and got right to work on it, just like Rodney does in Atlantis. Maybe the Antarctic outpost has similar tech that she's worked with? I can't figure out how she knew at a glance which componenet was the time machine. Hopefully, watching it over(and over and over:p) again will make it all clear to me. :)

So, for me, all in all, GtbK was another good ep. Season 8 has been batting a thousand, IMO.

nugglebugget
January 6th, 2005, 06:37 AM
As I read through the posts,there was mention of "Harry" having "Wives"[emphasis on the plural].For some odd reason that made me think of the charachter from the original "Star Trek"series named "Harry Mudd".If I remember correctly,he had a harem too,but I think they were androids or something.
I realize I can have stange thoughts,but with both "Harry M's",both a bit of a thorn in the side ......I couldn't help but make a connection.Anybody else see that,or know who I'm talking about?

KayMan2k
January 6th, 2005, 10:39 AM
The sound for the ep was very bad; what was the welcoming ditty they played for Jack?


It is the MacGyver theme. Gotta love Jack's reaction when they started playing (if the music was playing during filming) and told them to stop playing because they were disgracing his theme :)

the dancer of spaz
January 6th, 2005, 10:55 AM
Episode #13 of SG-1 "It's Good To Be King" was shown in the UK on TUES.

Episode #16 of SG-A "The Brotherhood" was shown in Canada on Monday.

Next monday and tues #17 SGA and #14 SG-1

The ppl from the UK and Canada have seen those episodes and everyone else who is discussing it got them through...alternate means.........read the "do not discuss downloading episodes" threads.

I see that you are from the USA like me. Sci-fi will air episodes #11 of SG-1 and SG-A on Jan 21.

Bah! I am SOOOOO impatient! Can someone wack me over the head with a staff weapon and wake me up on January 17th please? That'd be FANTASTIC. :)

Ali888
January 6th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Are you speaking English?

:p


DoS

She's speaking perfect English. Serves Spurs right for pinching half of our best players that's what I say.

Ali P

donnie_darko
January 6th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Spoilers:

We have confirmation that Jack has the Ancient gene, although it was implied by his past use of the technology, we can rule out that the repository of knowledge had anything to do with this ability to use the technology.

We can also judge how closely related Major John Sheppard and General Jack O’Neill to the ancients by their skills with the Puddle Jumpers.

In my opinion Sheppard had an easer time controlling the ship than O’Neill. But this does not mean Sheppard is closer, it just means his thinking process is more in sync. with Ancient technology than O’Neill. This could be due to the fact that Sheppard has an unusual gift for math. When O’Neill concentrated he was able to much better than the other people who were given or were born with the Ancient gene. O'Neill was able to fly the ship and dodge fire and use the weapons system very quickly.

So Sheppard is a natural but so is O’Neill, but Sheppard is more of a natural than O’Neill.

But there is a flaw in my logic if people who are gifted in math or prodigies are better suited to control Ancient technology then why do the scientists who have been given the ancient gene still have a harder time controlling the tech, since most of them are gifted in math or are prodigies.

I think that there are genes that allow the activation of the tech and there are genes for the control of the technology. The control genes are related to specific mental abilities the people and the control genes are just physical markers that the tech check for authorization.

Basically people with both sets of genes are able not only to use Ancient tech but they can control it naturally and only need little or no training.

Those with only the activation gene have a harder time controlling the technology but with training they can make it work but not as smoothly as a natural.

aAnubiSs
January 6th, 2005, 11:45 AM
Being a scientist and having a gift for math isn't even close to being related. Being a natural at math isn't something you can study, you can to a degree, but most of it is in your own mind.

You can become a scientist, a good one, simply by studying. It's true that many scientists are excellent at math, but many of these are excellent at math simply because they've studied numbers and patterns their whole life.

For example I see Carter as a scientist that doesn't have a gift for math, but makes up for this in her awsome gift for adaptation and thinking outside the box.
McKay has a gift for math and also a scientific understanding of math that's greater then most other scientists. However McKay isn't as adapable and he isn't as good at thinking outside the box as Carter is. This has changed some when he's forced to relying on himself, and himself only at Atlantis.

donnie_darko
January 6th, 2005, 11:49 AM
your right, did not think about that

aAnubiSs
January 6th, 2005, 11:52 AM
You are more then welcome to write anything you like donnie_darko. Still remember your excellent posts about Prometheus. Some of the best work I've read here on the forum.

graculus
January 6th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Out of curiosity, is there anything to dislike about "It's Good to be King"? I'm trying to figure out whether this is a new classic or it just appealed to this particular forum.

Later,
Graculus

Crazedwraith
January 6th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Out of curiosity, is there anything to dislike about "It's Good to be King"? I'm trying to figure out whether this is a new classic or it just appealed to this particular forum.

Later,
Graculus


Read my Post page 4 for a rather negative rant.

Stargate Agent
January 6th, 2005, 02:54 PM
I believe this is one of the first episodes that was good this season. Most of them so far have been pretty boring. Not having Jack go off world really hurts the show in my opinion.

Atlantis has better storylines right now...

graculus
January 6th, 2005, 03:04 PM
They ruined the humour potential for Aries (i mean they could have least hired the guy from Hercules)

ROTFLMAO! Now that would be funny! I don't like the idea of just inventing a random throw-away Goa'uld to be defeated. Resorting to Ares is falling back on the same old tired Greco-Roman cycle. :-P

But I haven't seen the ep yet, and I'm excited that so many people liked it. Are you all that sure that Maybourne turned good? It could just be opportunistic for him to be good at the minute...

I agree with the general sentiment that Stargate loses something when Jack doesn't go off-world. I'm still pimping the idea that he should train recruits in the field.

Later,
Graculus

DarkQuee1
January 6th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Spoilers:

We have confirmation that Jack has the Ancient gene, although it was implied by his past use of the technology, we can rule out that the repository of knowledge had anything to do with this ability to use the technology.

We can also judge how closely related Major John Sheppard and General Jack O’Neill to the ancients by their skills with the Puddle Jumpers.

In my opinion Sheppard had an easer time controlling the ship than O’Neill. But this does not mean Sheppard is closer, it just means his thinking process is more in sync. with Ancient technology than O’Neill. This could be due to the fact that Sheppard has an unusual gift for math. When O’Neill concentrated he was able to much better than the other people who were given or were born with the Ancient gene. O'Neill was able to fly the ship and dodge fire and use the weapons system very quickly.

So Sheppard is a natural but so is O’Neill, but Sheppard is more of a natural than O’Neill.


I would put it to a difference in personality and past experiences. First, as to personality, Sheppard is more, to use a term, loosey-goosey than Jack. Control is important to Jack. I don't mean controlling others: Jack is very much in command of his team, but he was never a martinet or a dictator. He allowed them a lot of freedom of speech, thought and action.

However, when it comes to himself, he needs to be in control of himself and of his life. That's one of the reasons that the idea of implantation bothers him so much (a fear made worse by Kanan's actions); he would lose control of himself to an invader. I think that he had some problem at the beginning with "surrendering" a certain amount of control to the Ancient technology.

Second, unlike Jack, Sheppard has never been invaded by Ancient knowledge, to the point where it was destroying him. I think Jack would instinctively pull back from "joining" with the technology on the ship because of a subconscious fear of the same thing happening.


J.

Brassguy
January 6th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Interesting... I thought that eps were usually shown in the US first. I have no idea why I thought that, but usually the US posters are slapped at for 'spoiling' episodes before they're shown elsewhere. At least, that's been MY experience.


Sci-Fi always does a midseason break. US gets the first half of the new season (since season 6) several months before the UK and other parts of the world - we got up to episode 10 several months before UK this year.

So we started out getting the new eps first.

Then they get Stargate and don't have mid-season break or anything (just usual small breaks) and get the rest of the season before the US.

The UK will be what, 4-5 episodes ahead of us?

Atlantis is a new series, so the showing the new eps in Canada is new. But I'm not sure if they are even done with SG-1 season 7 there.

DarkQuee1
January 6th, 2005, 03:18 PM
ROTFLMAO! Now that would be funny! I don't like the idea of just inventing a random throw-away Goa'uld to be defeated. Resorting to Ares is falling back on the same old tired Greco-Roman cycle. :-P


Uh, you are aware, aren't you, that Kevin Smith, who played Ares in the series "Hercules", is deceased?


I don't have a problem with "new" Goa'ulds. It makes sense that, between the ones we've eliminated, Anubis has eliminated and Ba'al has eliminated, there would a power vacuum in certain places and younger Goa'ulds (or former lesser Goa'ulds who had served now-gone System Lords) would try to carve out their own territory.


J.

AlphaBlu
January 6th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Ummmm... possibly a stupid question: How is everyone 'reviewing' and 'rating' this episode, when it hasn't aired yet? At least, it hasn't aired in MY reality. Is everyone in an alternate universe, or did you time-travel in order to see it?
Hmm... let's see... *checks jyh's location* Ah! North Carolina. The USA.

Well, contrary to popular myth, the USA isn't the only country in the world, and places such as the United Kingdom and *gasp* Australia (for once) are actually ahead of you. ;)


Oh and I've come to the conclusion - most shows would be improved if they added a Puddle Jumper to every episode. Doesn't matter if it's Stargate SG-1 or Law & Order: SVU. Puddle Jumpers make things better.

BYE

graculus
January 6th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Puddle Jumpers are frumpy? Minivans for the soccer moms of the universe? Other than the cool thing about getting stuck in the gate, Puddle Jumpers just seem like cargo ships to me. I like the pointy ships!

Later,
Graculus

Skydiver
January 6th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Interesting... I thought that eps were usually shown in the US first. I have no idea why I thought that, but usually the US posters are slapped at for 'spoiling' episodes before they're shown elsewhere. At least, that's been MY experience.


usually, the us gets the first half of the seasons first. they finish in sept or so, and go on hiatus until january. the uk starts in sept and run straight through, which means they usually pull ahead of the us in the spring

it comes out 50/50, with the us being ahead for half, the uk for the other half

this year, it seems the whole world is ahead of the us for the second half

Skydiver
January 6th, 2005, 05:21 PM
all in all, i enjoyed it

there was some tension and drama, harry is a favorite character of mine, he's so annoyingly irreverant. there was jsut the right amount of humor to lighten things up, some great lines

jack got to go off world, sam was in charge

it was just well rounded fun

as ot Kevin Smith, he died tragically 3-4 (?) years ago. I believe he was killed in an accident, i want to say on the set of something he was doing, but i could be getting him confused with someone else.

so, while it would have been nice to have the most famous Aries, it's just not possible

keshou
January 6th, 2005, 05:25 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Puddle Jumpers are frumpy? Minivans for the soccer moms of the universe? Other than the cool thing about getting stuck in the gate, Puddle Jumpers just seem like cargo ships to me. I like the pointy ships!

Joe Flanigan called it a Winnebago during the special that aired on the TV Guide channel. lol :D

It's fun to see that lots of people enjoyed this one! Can't wait to see it....

And yes, sadly Kevin Smith ("Ares") was killed in 2002 while filming a movie China. He fell on the set from quite a height as I recall. They rushed him to the hospital but he died several days later from his severe injuries. Very sad. :(

jyh
January 6th, 2005, 06:55 PM
Hmm... let's see... *checks jyh's location* Ah! North Carolina. The USA.

Well, contrary to popular myth, the USA isn't the only country in the world, and places such as the United Kingdom and *gasp* Australia (for once) are actually ahead of you. ;)

BYE


Now, I know you're just joshing me, but it was months of observation on this board, not American arrogance, that led to my assumption. When I first joined the board I really did get my hand slapped for talking about something from season 5 or 6, because it could potentially 'spoil' for some people in Australia or someplace. Now I have to wait another few weeks for the 2nd half of the season. :-( Can't wait for the 'behind the scenes thing, though. :-)

Shipperahoy
January 6th, 2005, 07:10 PM
as ot Kevin Smith, he died tragically 3-4 (?) years ago. I believe he was killed in an accident, i want to say on the set of something he was doing, but i could be getting him confused with someone else.

so, while it would have been nice to have the most famous Aries, it's just not possible

Yes he died after a fall in China the day after finishing a movie. What really sucks is that he had just landed a role in that Bruce Willis movie "Tears of the Sun" and it would have been his first Hollywood type movie.

alz0rz
January 6th, 2005, 07:51 PM
As someone else said, Jack not going off-world really hurts the show. This episode was one of the better this season, IMO. Jack adds that extra element to the show that just makes it entertaining to watch. Overall this episode was awesome, I love the PJ - and that First Prime of Aries was so stubborn :p

How would the ancients go about "reloading" drones into their PJ's? I mean.. they are like missiles so once they are fired they are gone... and we can't manufacture our own :(

david2708
January 6th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Out of curiosity, is there anything to dislike about "It's Good to be King"? I'm trying to figure out whether this is a new classic or it just appealed to this particular forum.

Later,
Graculus
Classic? NO WAY!!!

It is merely 45 minutes of mediocrity swimming in the sea of dribble that has been season eight thus far IMO.
It may come across an an OK ep because nearly all the others in this season have been near garbage.

Erik Pasternak
January 6th, 2005, 08:49 PM
As someone else said, Jack not going off-world really hurts the show. This episode was one of the better this season, IMO. Jack adds that extra element to the show that just makes it entertaining to watch. Overall this episode was awesome, I love the PJ - and that First Prime of Aries was so stubborn :p

How would the ancients go about "reloading" drones into their PJ's? I mean.. they are like missiles so once they are fired they are gone... and we can't manufacture our own :(
If the Antarctic outpost has some extra (like the one we saw in "Rising"), maybe we can steal some??

Lt. Aiden Ford
January 6th, 2005, 09:33 PM
If the Antarctic outpost has some extra (like the one we saw in "Rising"), maybe we can steal some??That's probably right...I wonder if the unused drones from "Lost City" returned to the outpost or just exploded.

Buzz Lightyear
January 6th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Classic? NO WAY!!!

It is merely 45 minutes of mediocrity swimming in the sea of dribble that has been season eight thus far IMO.
It may come across an an OK ep because nearly all the others in this season have been near garbage.

Just curious why you keep watching "garbage"?

Buzz Lightyear
January 6th, 2005, 09:45 PM
i just hope there are no Atlantis references in it otherwise they will be cut from the show here.

Exsqueeze me? They edit out references to Atlantis? Now that is just dumb.

Buzz Lightyear
January 6th, 2005, 09:49 PM
Was a so so ep. Don't know why everyone is raving about it. I suspect because the rest of season eight has been so bad that anything in comparison looks great.
Very, very average, I'm afraid.

Average compared to what, exactly?

Maybe people rave about it because they really like it? I've enjoyed all of s8, even the eps that I felt suffered from plot problems.

Buzz Lightyear
January 6th, 2005, 09:55 PM
As I read through the posts,there was mention of "Harry" having "Wives"[emphasis on the plural].For some odd reason that made me think of the charachter from the original "Star Trek"series named "Harry Mudd".If I remember correctly,he had a harem too,but I think they were androids or something.
I realize I can have stange thoughts,but with both "Harry M's",both a bit of a thorn in the side ......I couldn't help but make a connection.Anybody else see that,or know who I'm talking about?

I posted about this way back on page 2 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=260217&postcount=39) but I guess you're the only other person so far to pick up on the similarities.

Nathan
January 7th, 2005, 01:44 AM
I have a small request. Because Atlantis isn't on in Australia yet, is it possible for references to Atlantis in this SG1 thread be put in spoiler tags? That way we don't get to see things we may not want to see just yet :)

nugglebugget
January 7th, 2005, 03:50 AM
I posted about this way back on page 2 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=260217&postcount=39) but I guess you're the only other person so far to pick up on the similarities.
Aha,I see.Sorry totally missed it.My computer loves to kick out on me & I forget if I've read the whole page before I try another one:o .
At least I know I wasn't the only one to see the similarity:)

Madeleine
January 7th, 2005, 06:51 AM
I have a small request. Because Atlantis isn't on in Australia yet, is it possible for references to Atlantis in this SG1 thread be put in spoiler tags? That way we don't get to see things we may not want to see just yet :)

Good point, not all the countries that show SG-1 and Atlantis show them in sync. Atlantis plot points should be in Spoiler Tags in this folder. Anyone wants a post edited, let me know which number.

Easter Lily
January 7th, 2005, 12:07 PM
Maybourne must be growing on me... I actually felt for him in this episode and believed that he really cared about his newfound home. Tom McBeath is such a great actor... his range on this series has been quite varied.

Great to see Jack in his element... and the puddlejumper too. It gave rise to the expectation that Janus from Before I Sleep would be nearby. Alas it was not to be. Some other time perhaps... ;)

A fun episode all round and it does fit nicely into the overall Stargate universe.

the dancer of spaz
January 7th, 2005, 12:51 PM
She's speaking perfect English. Serves Spurs right for pinching half of our best players that's what I say.

Ali P


Ah... It's all making sense now...

*Quivers in fear*

Chevron_nine
January 7th, 2005, 09:02 PM
I've finally got a chance to watch the ep. It's definately one of the better ones of the season. A few things had me laughing. This line of Jack's in particular made me crack up even though I'm not a shipper: "Carter and I will take care of the ship";)

I didn't like the fact that Maybourne could read Ancient so easily. He's been out of the loop for two years and has little, if any trouble, but recently the guys at The Trust need to kidnap Daniel to do their Ancient translation.

Also it looked like the Jaffa could read Ancient. Why on earth would "Gods" teach their disposable footsoldiers Ancient. It might have made a little sense if it were a First Prime, but this was an ordinary Jaffa.

At first when I saw Wayne Brady on screen it didn't really feel like he fit the role. All I could see was Wayne Brady and not Trelak, but later on it got more believable.

Madeleine
January 7th, 2005, 09:12 PM
I assumed that the Jaffa had been taught to recognise Ancient so that if they spotted any they could tell Baal that Interesting Stuff might be there, but I doubt they could read any of it. Much like I recognise Turkish without being able to read it.

Chevron_nine
January 7th, 2005, 10:50 PM
I assumed that the Jaffa had been taught to recognise Ancient so that if they spotted any they could tell Baal that Interesting Stuff might be there, but I doubt they could read any of it. Much like I recognise Turkish without being able to read it.

That could be true, but it looked like his eyes were very slightly scrolling from left to right for a split second, as if he were reading it. He also looked around a bit before settling on a specific piece to stare at. Then it looked like he dispatched the Jaffa to go look for the ship.

keshou
January 8th, 2005, 06:39 AM
One of the better S8 episodes. Like the good old days. :D

Jack gets to go thru the gate and act all Jack-like. "God I miss going off-world". And I miss you going off-world. *sniff*

Loved Maybourne greeting Jack with music when he steps thru the gate..... LOL!

"You made General"
"You made King"
"It's not a contest, Jack"

RDA looked like he was having a great time acting with Tom McBeath.

Everyone was actually in character and had some good lines....
Daniel names a fruit ("guango"!) and gets to translate stuff and say "ffffocus" to Jack :D
Sam is a competent leader and gets to do all her techy stuff.
Teal'c found the PJ and killed the first prime of Ares. Your usual brave warrior stuff.
Jack does his Beckett imitation and manages to use his Ancient gene to save the day. Er...yeah, guess he hit something vital. ;)

So, a good time was had by all! I haven't seen the Atlantis episode this ties into but I'm impressed that they managed to drop in something that's fun for the audience to pick up on but isn't necessary to understand the episode.

And now we have our time-traveling puddle jumper. Yowza.

I had a few nits.

Hard to believe Maybourne could pick up and translate Ancient that well....but I went with it. Maybe he has a latent talent for linguistics. ;)

I'm sure Wayne Brady had the time of his life and he was fine for the most part. But a couple of times it seemed obvious that Ares stopped off in L.A. and picked up his first prime. I kept waiting for him to ask Teal'c how the Lakers were doing. :p

Calicto
January 8th, 2005, 07:14 PM
"You are a man of your word"

I thought this was another quality episode. A tad cheesy with the medieval aspect, but none the less.

2 shots from a Puddle Jumper took care of a Weak Ha'tak. This fact defnitely emphasizes the strength of the Wraith as their darts could take down a puddlejumper and it took sufficient damage to kill a dart.

Love to see Dart vs. Glider. Dart would rape. *Dart appears above Glider**Does Teleportation Beam Thing* *Glider slowly descends and explodes w/o a pilot*

If a Dart could destroy a Puddle Jumper, then it could easily destroy a Glider with minimum shots b/c not even shots from the Ha'tak slowed the PJ down.

Sorry for off topicness.

Mio
January 8th, 2005, 07:32 PM
2 shots from a Puddle Jumper took care of a Weak Ha'tak. This fact defnitely emphasizes the strength of the Wraith as their darts could take down a puddlejumper and it took sufficient damage to kill a dart.

Love to see Dart vs. Glider. Dart would rape. *Dart appears above Glider**Does Teleportation Beam Thing* *Glider slowly descends and explodes w/o a pilot*

If a Dart could destroy a Puddle Jumper, then it could easily destroy a Glider with minimum shots b/c not even shots from the Ha'tak slowed the PJ down.

Sorry for off topicness.

A single dart couldn't destroy a Puddle Jumper.

(Rising, Before I Sleep Spoilers)A single GJOD from a puddle jumper could destroy a dart, but even after taking 2 direct hits in 'Rising', all the jumper lost was it's cloak. Ancient technology was vastly superior to wraith technology. It was merely a matter of numbers. (IE: Swarms of darts and hive ships around a much smaller number of Ancients)

Going even further to 'Before I Sleep'.....

In 'Before I Sleep', We saw a lousy little Ancient Transport with a few hundred people on it. Based on what we saw, there was a swarm of darts, and 4 hive ships around it. Obviously the Wraith didn't feel confident about facing the transport with a number smaller than that.

Major Tyler
January 8th, 2005, 07:38 PM
A single dart couldn't destroy a Puddle Jumper.Uhhh...The Brotherhood One dart destroyed a Puddlejumper with terrifying ease, killing Sgts. Markham and Smith. Click here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=261567#post261567) to mourn for Markham. :(

alz0rz
January 8th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Uhhh...The Brotherhood One dart destroyed a Puddlejumper with terrifying ease, killing Sgts. Markham and Smith. Click here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=261567#post261567) to mourn for Markham. :(

Yes, but according to some people that dart was heavily modified..

Major Tyler
January 8th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Yes, but according to some people that dart was heavily modified..Even if that were true, it doesn't change that fact that a Wraith dart can shoot down a Puddlejumper.

Mr Prophet
January 9th, 2005, 12:44 AM
Yes, but according to some people that dart was heavily modified..

According to whom? Given how flexible technical performance is in SF - and leaving aside the possibility that the pilots of 'jumper X and dart Y might not be identical in skill to the pilots of 'jumper A and dart B - why would anyone feel the need to offer a spackle for any given piece of tech doing better in one episode than in another?

Nathan
January 9th, 2005, 01:25 AM
Good point, not all the countries that show SG-1 and Atlantis show them in sync. Atlantis plot points should be in Spoiler Tags in this folder. Anyone wants a post edited, let me know which number.
Thank you :)

system lord nu
January 9th, 2005, 05:00 AM
this episode was great

Mio
January 9th, 2005, 05:36 AM
Yes, but according to some people that dart was heavily modified..

Yeh, but wasn't Sheppard the only GOOD pilot?
Wow. we got really off topic :D



Back to SG1....


Who thought that that person who stood up for Harry was annoying?

Madeleine
January 9th, 2005, 10:00 AM
Are you talking about Red Cloak Woman? I liked her in all the other scenes she was in, she was tough without being hard and that's tricky to pull off, but the scene where she spoke up for Harry was just generally bad. Harry was a good deal too penitent to feel like Harry, and RCW's speech seemed pre-prepared where it should have come over as very spontaneous given the revelatory nature of what Harry had just said. It was the only substandard scene of the ep, I thought.

Shipperahoy
January 9th, 2005, 10:16 AM
I could be completely off the mark but I got the feeling that RCW had a feeling that Harry might not be all that he seemed. The way she was always skulking about and listening to conversations.

Skydiver
January 9th, 2005, 10:56 AM
i interpreted red cloak chick as having a bit of a crush on Harry.

he'd been there 2 years, but had only been king for 10 months, so that meant, for over a year, harry was probably an outcast

I think RCW felt sorry for him, or saw beneath his exterior (i still believe harry, while a scoundrel, is a good guy at heart...he's sort of an anti-hero. Not totally captain whitebread, but also not a complete jerk)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 9th, 2005, 11:24 AM
i interpreted red cloak chick as having a bit of a crush on Harry.

he'd been there 2 years, but had only been king for 10 months, so that meant, for over a year, harry was probably an outcast

I think RCW felt sorry for him, or saw beneath his exterior (i still believe harry, while a scoundrel, is a good guy at heart...he's sort of an anti-hero. Not totally captain whitebread, but also not a complete jerk)

My theory is that RCW is actually the pilot of that time machine, there to observe and even nudge "history" along. Watch the ep with that in mind and a lot of details/seeming plot holes start to make sense.

Mio
January 9th, 2005, 05:26 PM
My theory is that RCW is actually the pilot of that time machine, there to observe and even nudge "history" along. Watch the ep with that in mind and a lot of details/seeming plot holes start to make sense.

[Mio Edit! Getting rid of the horrible ugly pink horriblness marring his post.]
When i was watching, and they openned the jumper, I was half hoping for them to find a video log left over from Janus....

I mean. What are the odds that two people would come up with the exact same time machines, even after the research was banned.

Nathan
January 9th, 2005, 08:09 PM
Who's Janus?

Erik Pasternak
January 9th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Who's Janus?
A character from the Atlantis episode "Before I Sleep." Remember guys, spoilers for any other episodes on the spoiler list require spoiler warnings in this thread.

Madeleine
January 9th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Remember guys, spoilers for any other episodes on the spoiler list require spoiler warnings in this thread

That bears repeating, enlarging, repeating, tattooing on people's wrists...

DelTrax1
January 9th, 2005, 10:03 PM
What I want to know is how the ship was placed there. If an Anceint left it there than what happen to him. And why did the Anceint's leave the Puddle Jumpers in Atlantis in the first place. How did he get another ship. I am thinking that when the Anceints first left Earth they left half of Atlantis there. The sick must have died and when the Anceints went back there after they left Atlantis they had another ship to go to. This had all there technology there already. They took that ship and moved it to another planet. So somewhere there is another ship in the style of Atlantis. That way they could have had more puddle jumpers and he could have left one on the same planet as the It's good to be King episode. This way he could leave that puddle jumper there and go throught the Stargate. What does everyone think?

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 10th, 2005, 04:31 AM
What are the odds that two people would come up with the exact same time machines

That's assuming that the inventor continued to work in a vacumm. Over time he may well have gained some followers, especially if he took some non-believers on a magical mystery tour of the future.
:)

Skydiver
January 10th, 2005, 04:52 AM
the one thing about the time machine is that it literally could have come from anywhere
mobeius spoilers
ok, those that watch atlantis know how it came into existence. and those that have read spoilers for a later s8 eps know that it will come into play again

we don't know of it ever getting destroyed, so the ancient that played around on harry's planet could literally have come from anywhere.

Personally, i think they came from the future, an alternative future and this will all make sense after the end of s8.

I think it was deliberately left on harry's planet, along with all the clues to make harry the king (sort of a time travel augmented prophecy that had to happen) because they NEEDED to get the timeship in the hands of the sgc.

for all we know, daniel came from the past and carved the temple to make sure that harry became king because he knew that sg1 was going to be there

I really think that this is going to be one of those 'chicken and the egg' things...sorta liek cassandra in 1969

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 10th, 2005, 05:27 AM
How does one carry on an invisible conversation? :S

I really like that idea, but... wouldn't he have been prevented from doing so by Oma? Spoilers for SG-1 season 6,7:
He wasn't allowed to help Jack in Abyss, in any way except to encourage him to call it quits. He couldn't help Bra'tac when he was taken prisoner on that Jaffa slave planet and he couldn't stop Nuby from destroyingAbydos.

Skydiver
January 10th, 2005, 07:20 AM
How does one carry on an invisible conversation? :S


not very esily i'm afraid
:rolleyes:
I really like that idea, but... wouldn't he have been prevented from doing so by Oma? Spoilers for SG-1 season 6,7:
He wasn't allowed to help Jack in Abyss, in any way except to encourage him to call it quits. He couldn't help Bra'tac when he was taken prisoner on that Jaffa slave planet and he couldn't stop Nuby from destroyingAbydos.[/QUOTE]

mobieus

i havent read all the spoilers for moeb, so i am just guessing blindly. but i think that it doesn't have to be ascended daniel who does this, but plain old ordinary daniel.
the main reason i choose daniel is that he would be teh one to have the knowledge of the language to carve the pillars.
and just because the ancient who left the time ship behind said s/he was an ancient, they made no mention of s/he being all glowy

i could very well be wrong, but i have a funny feeling that the time ship is a paradox. it's there because daniel in the future knew it needed to be there, but daniel had to find it in the past to know that it needed to be there but to find it in the past he had to take his future knowledge adn go back to the past...yadda, yadda

the prophecy was put there to keep harry alive and allow him to be king. if it was deliberate, they knew that the sgc would come back for harry, and that harry needed to be alive and a king to keep the people from evacing and lead sg1 to the temple so that jack could come and fly the ship

it's sort of like cassandra in the future knowing that she needed to come send sg1 to the past, but she only knew that she had to do it because she'd already done it before

invisible converstations are abuot as confusing as the topic ;)

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 10th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Ooh! I like it! Very convoluted, as fits the topic of time travel. :p

DelTrax1
January 10th, 2005, 09:12 AM
Very Promising. All good idea's.

shelsfc
January 10th, 2005, 02:22 PM
What I want to know is how the ship was placed there. If an Anceint left it there than what happen to him. <snip>

I was wondering about that too - the Ancient obviously saw SG1 coming in to save the day, so he/she must have been there at the time. Where were they? Why did they let SG1 run off with their Jumper? I like the theory that RCW is the Ancient though. It explains that little plot hole...maybe she decided she liked these people too much and wanted to stay with them...or maybe she planned to become another one of Harry's wives... ;)

Bossman
January 11th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Just a thought here, but do you think it would be possible to re-arm the Puddle Jumper using the drones from Antarctica? At the start of "Rising", Groden was studying one, so i'm guessing that they are inactive until someone uses the chair ...

Blue Banrigh
January 12th, 2005, 01:35 AM
GUANGO!

I fell out of my seat when Daniel said that. :)

That and "Tidings of comfort and joy, comfort and joy" :D

Mr. Seven
January 13th, 2005, 11:53 AM
SPOILERS FOR ATLANTIS WHILE I SLEEP
The Ancient that invented this time ship is the same guy who helped an alternate version of Weir insure the survival of the Atantis expedition. The ship was actually used in this episode, Shepperd flew it. WAY better than O'Neil ;).

He was one of the last ones to leave Atlantis. Somehow he must have snuck this ship away and traveled the Milky Way Galaxy when he went back to Earth.

I wonder where he was during all this...since he had to witness it.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 13th, 2005, 02:39 PM
I wonder where he was during all this...since he had to witness it.


If I understood correctly, Janus disn't take the ship, he took his research with him to Earth. He must have built another time machine and installed it onto a "puddle jumper" that was built on Earth.

Quinn Mallory
January 15th, 2005, 06:19 AM
This was a great episode. One of my favorite of the season (but then again I loved almost all the episodes of this season).

Chiming in on the time travel aspect:

The jumper that SG-1 found must be the one left there when the Ancient went back to create the monlith record thing. There was no way that SG-1 can accidentally take the jumper currently being used by the time traveling Ancient since that would create a time travel paradox (I think time travel paradox are allowed in the stargate universe since Carter has mentioned that a few times).

Matt G
January 15th, 2005, 04:16 PM
1. Good to see Jack back off world.

2. Yes Ares first Prime may well have come out of LA.

3. Definately took the taste of Prometheus Unhinged away.

4. Who'd have thought there were so many ABU's on Gateworld!;)

Madeleine
January 15th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Bad losers? :confused:

Albion
January 16th, 2005, 02:01 AM
For some reason, on first viewing of this one, I was left feeling a tad disappointed. So I held off having an opinion on it, as I know that I have a habit of sometimes completely reversing my opinion of an episode after a second or third showing. (I have episodes in my absolute favourites list these days that I got bored watching halfway through or loathed with a vengeance, first time around. Go figure.)

Sure enough... Finally got the chance to rerun it last night and came away feeling that I'd watched a really good episode. It was, of course, fun to see Jack back offworld and his obvious delight in it was infectious. I thought his interaction with Harry was a little more subdued than usual, but, hey, he seems to be mellowing towards the guy, so that probably explained that. His bewildered face when Harry confessed and still ended up being cheered was hilarious. Loved the puddle jumper scenes, especially the Alamo joke, Daniel going all Obi Wan on Jack (and the way Jack and Carter looked at him when he did. LOL.), and them being so focused on Jack's attempts to fly that they jumped a mile when he declared he had nothing.

My only quibbles were that Carter still looks a bit wishy washy in the command area. I don't think she's uncapable at all - it's more that so far they aren't given her anything to show what she can do. Her style of command is - obviously - more relaxed and less militarily structured than Jack's and in a non-battle situation that comes off as slightly...well, wishy washy. <g> I think we need to see more of her under fire - she was good at the end of Zero Hour for instance - more under stress and team in danger. By the time that happened in this episode, Jack was back in charge, so we never got the chance to see Colonel Carter in action defending her team.

The second thing that detracted from this one for me was the complete lack of tension throughout. At no point did I ever get the impression that anyone was in serious danger. The Jaffa just don't inspire fear the way they used to, unfortunately. In fact, I ff through the final fight scene with Daniel and Teal'c. I guess familiarity really does breed contempt. :p

If there'd been more, on the edge of my seat, danger involved I might have elevated this one to great episode. But without it, it was still a good one that I'll revisted often and enjoy.

EDIT: Just been reading some of the other comments - as I've never seen MacGyver I had no idea that awful tune they were banging out was it. ROTFL! Brings a whole new meaning to Jack's reaction, of course. I love this forum. You learn so much here. <G>

As for Red Cloak Woman - or Geran as she was called - I'm with the poster who felt she had a bit of a crush on Harry. And for me, the scene where she spoke up for Harry after he confessed was one of the highlights of the episode. A favourite scene. I rather liked her.



Albion :)

Ugly Pig
January 16th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Just been reading some of the other comments - as I've never seen MacGyver I had no idea that awful tune they were banging out was it.
Just for the record - the tune that the band played when Jack arrived on the planet was NOT the MacGyver theme. I don't know where people got that idea.

Major Tyler
January 16th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Just for the record - the tune that the band played when Jack arrived on the planet was NOT the MacGyver theme. I don't know where people got that idea.What was it?

Ugly Pig
January 17th, 2005, 10:30 AM
What was it?
I have no idea. Probably an original composition.

Wass
January 17th, 2005, 10:37 AM
I have no idea. Probably an original composition.

Doesn’t matter bottom line it was awful

langdonboom
January 17th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Did anyone here mention -- forgive me if I repeat something -- the connection between the title of this episode and the DeLuise clan??

I wonder if Peter had any input into the title and the line when Jack tells Harry to "Remember... its good to be the king." -- Actually now I can't remember if its king or THE king, but anyway, I'm sure most of you are onto it already, that that line is one of the funniest parts of History of the World Part 1, spoken by Dom DeLuise. Or maybe one of the writers did it as a tweak or a nod to Peter and Family.

Anyone hear anything behind-the-scenes-y about that? In either case, its pretty funny.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 17th, 2005, 04:34 PM
I knew I'd heard that, somewhere! Thanks!

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/world/hwimages.htm

scroll down. You'll find it. :)

langdonboom
January 18th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Hmm, now I can't remember if its Mel Brooks who says it or if Dom DeLuise says it as the Ceaser, too, in the earlier scenes. Anyone got the DVD of History of the World Part 1 who can check!?

dove0709
January 18th, 2005, 09:19 AM
Ahh yes I knew if I hung around long enough a decent episode must eventually come along. And this was it for me. OK the storyline/plot was nothing brilliant but hey Jack, Daniel, Sam and Teal'c went through the Stargate, got into trouble, beat the bad guys and then came home again. Yep thats what Stargate used to be about and what I loved so much about it.

Also with Jack back in action (big Yipee to that), everyone reverted back to character so no stupid Carter (Gemini) or camp Daniel (PU). Everyone had a role to play and better still the guest star of the week wasnt annoying. Ive always liked Maybourne and his interaction with Jack, not up to Paradise Lost standard but none the less enjoyable.

One of the few episodes this season that is worthy of repeat viewing for me. :)

Mr. Seven
January 18th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Thanks to reruns I saw the introduction of Harry's character back on SG1 Season 1 last night. Man has he come a long way!

I also saw the episode where he and Jack team up to get some info out of a Gou'ld who is being held by NID.

It seems that these two kind of have a weird love/hate relationship.

I dunno, I suppose there could be more to Maybourne than meets the eye. Could he have the Ancient gene that could also allow him to operate the time machine?

shockwave
January 18th, 2005, 11:40 AM
spoilers for Atlantis, late s1, an ep Madeleine's not seen yet

No, I think the PJ was just dropped there by Janus from Before I Sleep

langdonboom
January 18th, 2005, 01:10 PM
spoilers for Atlantis, late s1, an ep Madeleine's not seen yet

We don't really know it was Janus -- for all we know this time machine PJ was built by one of his ancestors many years later, or even if it is the same exact PJ that it was Janus who did everything spoken of in Good to Be King.

Madeleine
January 18th, 2005, 09:27 PM
FCOL people! NOT EVERYONE HAS SEEN EVERY EP YOU'VE SEEN!!
In a s8 episode thread you need to use spoiler space for every future s8 ep, every Atlantis ep past or future, and all s9 speculation.

like this:

In the next episode Walter robs a bank

so that everyone sees:

In the next episode Walter robs a bank

KatG
January 23rd, 2005, 03:34 PM
Very well done. It actually felt like Stargate. There was team interaction, they went through the Stargate. Jack even went through the Stargate. Excellent repartee between Jack and Maybourne. We acquired new tech. What's not to like.

This ep went a long way to restoring my faith in Stargate SG-1. It's exactly what I needed to see after PU.

Off to see what everyone else thought.

jyh
January 30th, 2005, 04:51 AM
Short summary.

Jack concentrates on using weapons and two Ancient Drones fire at the ship, but then they're out. However, the two drones did enough damage to blow the entire ship. SG-1 return to Earth and leave Maybourne with his wives.

Presumably they took the Jumper with them.


Good to see the Jumper in "our" galaxy, and am glad they PTB are linking (slowly) the SG-1 and Atlantis storylines just a bit.

Regardless of what may have been addressed in previous episodes, I too think it was just a bit too easy/convenient that Jack's limited firepower happened to do the trick. "Let's hope it hit some vital systems," Carter says, and two seconds later-- BOOM-- the big ship is gone. Almost like the writers realized how little time they had left in the episode and had to wrap it up very quickly. That is my only quibble w/ this episode,which I too thought was really good.

LOVED Wayne Brady. Too bad his character got killed.. would love to see him come back. I bet filming that episode was a hoot, since Chris Judge is supposedly a funny guy, and having him & WB in the same room is probably a recipe for high comedy.

Even tho it wasn't specifically shown or referred to at the end I presume SG-1 took the Jumper back to earth. Carter must feel like a kid with a new toy!!

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 30th, 2005, 05:15 AM
Regardless of what may have been addressed in previous episodes, I too think it was just a bit too easy/convenient that Jack's limited firepower happened to do the trick. "Let's hope it hit some vital systems," Carter says, and two seconds later-- BOOM-- the big ship is gone. Almost like the writers realized how little time they had left in the episode and had to wrap it up very quickly. That is my only quibble w/ this episode,which I too thought was really good.

I guess the Ancient Jellyfish of Doom are really smart, smart bombs, eh? "Look, stoopid, just push the red button, and let us Jellyfish do the rest." :D

It's kind of like how zats work; depending on whether it's the good guys or the bad guys getting it, one ep they'll knock you on your kiester for a few seconds, next ep, for minutes, next time, well, basicly you stay down for the duration of the ep. :p :p :p

greytop
February 4th, 2005, 05:03 PM
The best episode of the season so far. More to come after the weekend.

Bobthespirit
February 4th, 2005, 05:07 PM
I think it's kind of suspect that the one shot they got off happened to hit a vital spot. Usually in Stargate you see how the characters have to actually put in hard work and strategy to win -- in this case the only suspense was whether or not O'Neill would get it working, like you knew he would.

However, I think Maybourne saved it from being a mediocre episode. If his character had that much of a sense of humor in seasons one to three, the first Tollan ep and Bane would have been better episodes.

Major Fischer
February 4th, 2005, 05:14 PM
I think it's kind of suspect that the one shot they got off happened to hit a vital spot.

I think the implication is more that the drones are that powerful than that the shot was that lucky.

ChevronSeven
February 4th, 2005, 05:19 PM
I absolutely loved this episode. It felt so natural. And I have so missed off-world Jack. And apparently, Jack missed going off-world. ;)

I adore Wayne Brady and loved seeing him tonight. And Tom McBeath! Man, I've missed the Harry and Jack show. Would've loved to have seen more scenes with them together.

All around solid episode. Better than a couple of 1st half episodes.

Quinn Mallory
February 4th, 2005, 05:20 PM
I think the implication is more that the drones are that powerful than that the shot was that lucky.

I agree 100%. We saw in Lost City how quickly Anubus's fleet were wiped out by the Antarctica's weapon; this was just more of the same.

Hex.FTB.enabled
February 4th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Very well done. It actually felt like Stargate. There was team interaction, they went through the Stargate. Jack even went through the Stargate. Excellent repartee between Jack and Maybourne. We acquired new tech. What's not to like.

Exactly. I do like being able to focus on each character, but this ep really brought forward how much I've missed seeing all four SG-1 members out and about again. Sam and Jack's banter about trying to fix the PuddleJumper are like countless earlier episodes. And Jack off-world again was great! My favorite line "D'oh!" How I've missed that....

Jolinarsam
February 4th, 2005, 06:04 PM
I think the implication is more that the drones are that powerful than that the shot was that lucky.


So are we supposed to assume that the puddlejumper weapons can get through Goa'uld shields, even though they're not 'jellyfish'? I guess they probably would since they're Ancient. But they didn't even show the usual ripple when something breaks through a shield. It didn't seem like Ares even had them up at all.

Major Fischer
February 4th, 2005, 06:05 PM
So are we supposed to assume that the puddlejumper weapons can get through Goa'uld shields, even though they're not 'jellyfish'? I guess they probably would since they're Ancient. But they didn't even show the usual ripple when something breaks through a shield. It didn't seem like Ares even had them up at all.

The impression I've gotten from the series is that the PJs do indeed fire a jellyfish like weapon if not jellyfish themselves. The special effect has just been refined.

NightGloom
February 4th, 2005, 07:39 PM
Wow... Wayne Brady! I was disappointed, I wanted to see a Jaffa hoedown or scenes from a hat. I think Colin Mochrie (spelled completely wrong,I know) should be on Stargate too... and Drew Carey!

So, anyway, this was a great episode! This is the first time in awhile that the SG-1 ep was better than Atlantis (imo). Off-World Jack was back :D , even though temporarily :( . Glad to see Maybourne back in action. And the dresses were really pretty, that would have been great to be an extra during that show.

UnderT
February 4th, 2005, 08:06 PM
This was a good episdoe I think too.
How would they have gotten a jumper to earth though, maybe raise the gate out of the montin then fly it through?

I wanna see what the Earth people call it, if they call it a "puddle jumper" that would be dumb, they are in isolation from Atlantis after all.

cobraR478
February 4th, 2005, 08:34 PM
So are we supposed to assume that the puddlejumper weapons can get through Goa'uld shields, even though they're not 'jellyfish'? I guess they probably would since they're Ancient. But they didn't even show the usual ripple when something breaks through a shield. It didn't seem like Ares even had them up at all.
If you recall The lost City part 2 from seaaon 7 anubis's first prime said something along the lines of "outrshields are having no effect"

IMForeman
February 4th, 2005, 08:55 PM
This was a good episdoe I think too.
How would they have gotten a jumper to earth though, maybe raise the gate out of the montin then fly it through?

I wanna see what the Earth people call it, if they call it a "puddle jumper" that would be dumb, they are in isolation from Atlantis after all.

The easiest way would be to move the Gate forward toward the control room, and turning it around to face away, then fly the Jumper through, and up through the shaft to the surface.

-IMF

IMForeman
February 4th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Wow... Wayne Brady! I was disappointed, I wanted to see a Jaffa hoedown or scenes from a hat. I think Colin Mochrie (spelled completely wrong,I know) should be on Stargate too... and Drew Carey!

So, anyway, this was a great episode! This is the first time in awhile that the SG-1 ep was better than Atlantis (imo). Off-World Jack was back :D , even though temporarily :( . Glad to see Maybourne back in action. And the dresses were really pretty, that would have been great to be an extra during that show.

I wanted to see Wayne sing "I'll say a little prayer for Yu!"

-IMF

Daniel's_twin
February 4th, 2005, 09:18 PM
This is definitely a good ep. It had the feel of old Stargate due to the fact mostly that Jack came back through. We all miss him so much here, and it was so nice to see him on another planet. :cool:

LoneStar1836
February 4th, 2005, 11:48 PM
The Gate is still alive. :D Even if we didn’t get to see the beloved one at the SGC, it obviously still works. ;) Wow. I actually liked this episode. Okay the resolution was a little too easy. It was like, okay we have to hurry up and save the day in like five minutes, but I can live with it since we got to see O’Neill back in action. In my opinion it wasn’t an awesome episode, but it was way so much better than compared to last week’s, PU.

Finally, Carter gets to command the team, OFF-WORLD. Finally, the team went off-world TOGETHER. They really didn’t test her command ability here (which is a shame), but a little bit of competent Carter in action is better than nothing acknowledging her promotion. PJ scenes with her and O’Neill were good. Even though there was about zero suspense and no real feel of danger in this one, I was happy enough to see the team together again or mostly together again. Hey, at least they were on the same planet. :D The Jaffa and the first prime were kind of a joke. Now I thought Daniel pumps iron. How’d he let little Jaffa boy overpower him and pin him down in the fight scene. :D ;) The only part that really peeved me was how easily Daniel and Teal’c were captured.

The episode had some good laughs, and everyone seemed in character, thankfully. Finally got to see what Maybourne was up to even though it wasn’t quite the good snarky interaction between he and Jack of the past. It had some interesting plot development with the Ancients and their time traveling PJ which I’m guessing is crucial to the season ending episodes. Overall, it held my interest well enough. I enjoyed it. :)

shw77
February 5th, 2005, 01:41 AM
i dont have time to read all these posting, yeah they found a time mechine which they will later use, yeah yeah, i just think its kewl how they destoryed a system lord's mothership with a puddle jumper

Kelso
February 5th, 2005, 06:46 AM
I wouldn't say that it was a lucky shot... Jack's mind was targetting the weapons. Surely, he would know the most vital spots to hit.

Although, I'd agree that the ending was a bit rushed.

Fun ep. though! I loved it!

keshou
February 5th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I watched this again last night. Nothing earth-shattering but still a fun episode - good to see Harry, Jack got to go off-world and get flowers *g*, Daniel and Teal'c had a nice brawl with the Jaffa and they got a handy-dandy PJ for later.

And OMG, but the thing I noticed the most - that I hadn't picked up on the small screen - was Harry's er.....codpiece. How could I have missed that?? No wonder he has all those wives. :p

GatetheWay
February 5th, 2005, 09:56 AM
This ep. was soooo much better then any since the hiatus. It had all the members of SG-1 and the bad guy was from greek mythology which in my opinion has been mostly ignored by Stargate except Cronos ofcourse. But I was disappointed that they never showed the male greek god of war, that would of been really cool of they had.

About the pj though would the dhd in it have the right gate symbols. Another thing is that I thought the ancients tried making a timemachine to stop the plague but ended up making the device in WoO that looped time and the whole point of that ep. was that they couldn't go back in time. Finally what was the reason the ancient wrote down all those evens on the stone in the first place?

Bandersnatch
February 5th, 2005, 10:19 AM
Hey Campers

Well, I just went through as many of the posts on this episode that my attention span would allow for, and now want to toss in my nickel's worth: So, "It's Good to Be King..."

* Great to see O'Neill off-world again and back into the action. There were some good moments between him and Carter -- and nothing was awkward or touchy (not the right word but I can't think of a better one at the moment) like it was in "Gemini."

* You could tell most of the set was on a sound stage. Not that this is a major problem -- just seems you tell where things started and stopped, something that I can't recall from the earlier seasons

* Have to love the banter between O'Neill and Harry -- reminds me of the "relationship" that MacGyver had with Jack Dalton...

* The Jumper is a neat ship -- good way to toss some new toys at the team. I don't watch Stargate Atlantis, so this is the first time I'd see one. It could have great potential for the series. Plus when O'Neill blew up the mothership, it shows that big things can come in small packages ... yeah, cliche, sorry.

* Wayne Brady on the show -- eh -- I'm not a fan of his so it didn't matter to me either way. As long as the arrogent bad guys get what's coming to them, I'm happy

Overall, this episode will probably be one of my favorites for the season. I'll come right out and say that I'm a sucker for O'Neill (and Mr. A for that matter) and anything with him in the limelight keeps my attention. It's good to see the team back as one again -- they all play off and compliment each other so well. Although after having just seen Abyss -- there still feels like there's something missing to this season. I can't quite put my finger on what it is. The feeling was there in New Order Part 2 and I haven't "felt" it since then. I don't know. I am all alone in the dark on this feeling? Do I make sense to anyone or am I confusing you all as much as I tend to confuse myself?

The show did leave me with a grin on my face -- the "Wives? D'oh!" comment was totally RDA. Maybe the jumper will yet take "us" back to the old times? Come what may, I guess.

Beatrice Otter
February 5th, 2005, 10:46 AM
End of season, swarms of missiles, sweeping waves of death. That's one thing.

Middish season, two missiles. Different story.

There were way more than two GJofD per ha'tak in The Lost City.

But on a more general note, yes I did and really the whole business should have ended there. At that point, the Goa'uld ceased to be a credible threat. Season 8 should have seen a new enemy rise, be it Anubis' new gambit from beyond the grave or the next evolution of Fifth's Replicators, the Goa'uld...just a bit sad really.
True. But we've never even heard of Ares before, so how powerful can he be? Probably not very. And how much you wanna bet most of his front-line ships already got crunched by Anubis and then Ba'al? I mean, the reason he's fleeing and looking for a hideout is that he's down to bedrock. Smashed. It's quite probable that ship already had battle damage that hadn't been fully repaired yet (I mean, do you really think there's the Jaffa equivalent of Scotty out there to make everything shipshape?).

On the other hand, Anubis had tech far beyond that of the other system lords, and he had lots of resources (so his ships were certainly in top shape). It doesn't surprise me that he was much harder to take out.

Osiris-RA
February 5th, 2005, 11:00 AM
10 thoughts about It's Good To Be King....

! WARNING! Sarcastic comments below. !

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1. Wayne Brady makes a most unconvincing First Prime. I'm sure his first prime outfit will make for a most interesting tap dance routine get-up.

2. Whoo hoo! Maybourne! Finally, a funny person!!

3. Who knew Sam could move so slow. "Hoooollllddd ooonnn Geeeennneerrraaalll .... iii''vveee aaaalllmmmooosst goooottt iiittt, jjjuuuusssttt aaa ffeeewwwww mmmoooorreeeee sseeeecccoooonnnnddsss!!!"

4. A puddle jumper is the big cool Ancient technology? I wouldn't be caught dead in that contraption. I don't care if it blasts Goa'uld mother ships to Kingdom come, It's shaped like a sqaushed Pepsi can!!

5. DEMOTE JACK!! He looks great offworld! Lots of sunshine and meeting the friendly natives. He can catch a babe or two, sip some Jaffa coolers and relax with his gate hopping buddies. Come on, we want Jack back!! Being a general is no good for him, he just sits around on his butt signing boring contracts and things like that. How can one truly save the universe from behind a cherry wood desk? They demoted Capt. Kirk, DEMOTE JACK, BRING HIM BACK!

6. Teal'c needs to stop wearing those silly muscle shirts. I know he's got muscles, they pop out of anything he wears. It's too early for a mid-life crisis, he's only, what 123 years old? He's still tight.

7. Daniel ... go to your happy place. :rolleyes:

8. The nodding villagers, a little ... well, even extras could nab some acting skills before they step on set. Give me a break. They looked like Bobble head figurines.

9. The set ... looked like a set. I thought we were in Canada people, there's gotta be more realistic greenery around those parts. I saw those plastic vines crawling around that foam building.

10. Not bad, I laughed more than I have in all of S8. Ok job people, but please, get back to work, stop sniffing laughing gas while you type, it gets in the way of a professional writing job. You're laughing more at your own jokes than I am.

defina91rvc
February 5th, 2005, 11:06 AM
This ep. was soooo much better then any since the hiatus. It had all the members of SG-1 and the bad guy was from greek mythology which in my opinion has been mostly ignored by Stargate except Cronos ofcourse. But I was disappointed that they never showed the male greek god of war, that would of been really cool of they had.

About the pj though would the dhd in it have the right gate symbols. Another thing is that I thought the ancients tried making a timemachine to stop the plague but ended up making the device in WoO that looped time and the whole point of that ep. was that they couldn't go back in time. Finally what was the reason the ancient wrote down all those evens on the stone in the first place?

we did have the greek god pelops in brief candle (s1)

anyway, i really ejoyed this ep, it was cool to see SG1 flying a puddle jumper.
they should have had daniel or sam or someone call it a gateship, like mckay did in Rising.

DarkQuee1
February 5th, 2005, 03:06 PM
The posts have pretty much touched on everything I liked about the show, especially Jack back in action ( I loved: "If I had a nickel..." when he was threatened).

I have a question: nothing in the ep explains how Daniel could tell that the writing was only about 250 years old. I'm not talking about the events it may describe, but when it was actually written. He didn't have any specialized equipment (a la C14 dating) or anything that would tell him that, and we've never heard of any difference in Ancient writing that dates it. So, what told him that? It bothered me, because it seemed as if the writers either hadn't realized it was a problem, or couldn't come up with a solution so they ignored it.

I was also glad to see, between this ep and PU, that Daniel is no longer Rambo. I agree that after eight years, he would certainly have learned to fire a gun and to do some damage with it in a firefight. That's still different from being an Ops kind of guy, or doing a lot of hand-to-hand. Last week and this week, he got his butt kicked in a fight (though the fight in PU was totally pathetic. Humor that demeans characters we have something invested in--and I mean Daniel; Vala I couldn't care less about--is not funny.), which makes sense.

J.

keppiezbt
February 5th, 2005, 03:13 PM
this was a fun little episode.

Kelso
February 5th, 2005, 03:20 PM
I have a question: nothing in the ep explains how Daniel could tell that the writing was only about 250 years old. I'm not talking about the events it may describe, but when it was actually written. He didn't have any specialized equipment (a la C14 dating) or anything that would tell him that, and we've never heard of any difference in Ancient writing that dates it. So, what told him that? It bothered me, because it seemed as if the writers either hadn't realized it was a problem, or couldn't come up with a solution so they ignored it.

Well, the entries on the stone tablets contained dates. For all we know he could have dated his first entry.

Shivan
February 5th, 2005, 03:43 PM
The best episode of the season so far. More to come after the weekend.

I totally agree. As I said in an other thread that probably none of you saw-

This episode felt so like the show I feel in love with. It was a Stargate episode to me.

Best episode of the season thus far.

Buzz Lightyear
February 5th, 2005, 03:53 PM
* The Jumper is a neat ship -- good way to toss some new toys at the team. I don't watch Stargate Atlantis, so this is the first time I'd see one. It could have great potential for the series. Plus when O'Neill blew up the mothership, it shows that big things can come in small packages ... yeah, cliche, sorry.

Not sure whether to pity you or envy you.

Pity you because you've been missing out on an amazing first season of Stargate Atlantis.

Envy you because you still have the entire first season of Stargate Atlantis to experience.

:D

vikingjedi
February 5th, 2005, 04:16 PM
I thought this episode was excellent. Going off-world is one of the biggest reasons SG-1 is so great. Spaceships are cool, but the core of the show is the gate itself. If they don't use it then something seems not quite right (if you know what Im saying).

I didn't like Gemini, but the last 2 episodes have really started to get everything going in the right direction again. Keep up the good work.

DarkQuee1
February 5th, 2005, 04:17 PM
Well, the entries on the stone tablets contained dates. For all we know he could have dated his first entry.


True, but this is a key point (even if not dwelled on) and we shouldn't have to guess at the answer or come up with a solution for a problem that the writers don't appear to have noticed existed, esp. not when all it would have taken was one sentence to clear it up. You know, Daniel saying: "There's a notation here as to the date it was written down, and it comes out to only 250 years ago."

It's not the audience's job to plug holes in the writing.


J.

Kelso
February 5th, 2005, 06:20 PM
^ Agreed... but I don't think it is a major enough plot point to dwell on, as it will not affect my enjoyment of the show.

puddlejumper747
February 5th, 2005, 06:22 PM
I only have one question that I couldn't figure out here: Weren't the ruins a good long distance away from the city? I could have sworn that Maybourne made some comment about how far he had to walk to get there the first time....right? But then how did the Jaffa and the people in the city hear the earth weapons firing? The guns aren't that loud, are they? Or maybe it was just the sound echoing off some nearby cliffs? I don't know.... :confused:

Daniel's_twin
February 5th, 2005, 06:25 PM
Hey, anyone know where that Ancient was hiding? You figure, if he wrote the facts down on the tablet, he probably actually witnessed it. Possibly cloaked in the Puddle Jumper? :cool:

Skydiver
February 5th, 2005, 06:32 PM
I only have one question that I couldn't figure out here: Weren't the ruins a good long distance away from the city? I could have sworn that Maybourne made some comment about how far he had to walk to get there the first time....right? But then how did the Jaffa and the people in the city hear the earth weapons firing? The guns aren't that loud, are they? Or maybe it was just the sound echoing off some nearby cliffs? I don't know.... :confused:


umm, the same way Harry, who, when he left earth, thought/knew that daniel was dead, wasn't even surprised to see him alive and well and translating his little heart out

LOL

two words

Plot
Device

acdj31
February 5th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Hey, anyone know where that Ancient was hiding? You figure, if he wrote the facts down on the tablet, he probably actually witnessed it. Possibly cloaked in the Puddle Jumper? :cool:

I was wondering about that too, maybe he disguised himself in with the villagers just like Daniel and Teal'c.

And what about the ship, are they just going to leave it there.

Skydiver
February 5th, 2005, 07:25 PM
I was wondering about that too, maybe he disguised himself in with the villagers just like Daniel and Teal'c.
my money's on Garan...the woman who backed harry

it's almost like she needed to keep him king...or of course there's also the idea that she has a crush on him



And what about the ship, are they just going to leave it there.


i doubt it. it's too valuable to leave lying around. betcha money jack flew it back to the sgc...although how it fit in the gateroom is anyone's guess

puddlejumper747
February 5th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Hey, anyone know where that Ancient was hiding? You figure, if he wrote the facts down on the tablet, he probably actually witnessed it. Possibly cloaked in the Puddle Jumper? :cool:
Well, I don't know....but couldn't he have just walked through the Stargate/left the planet in another ship? Or maybe he just died/ascended somehow during the last stand against the Wraith at Atlantis? I don't know.... :S We'll probably just have to wait until we see Atlantis: Before I Sleep. (That episode is supposed to explain a lot to us about the Ancients, their war/last stand against the Wraith at Atlantis, who invented the time device, how the Puddle Jumper got to that planet, etc....) :rolleyes:

And what about the ship, are they just going to leave it there.I'll bet they probably took it back to Earth with them somehow. But we'll see.... :rolleyes:

LoneStar1836
February 5th, 2005, 10:43 PM
umm, the same way Harry, who, when he left earth, thought/knew that daniel was dead, wasn't even surprised to see him alive and well and translating his little heart out

LOL

two words

Plot
Device
I forgot that Daniel was all glowy the last time Maybourne knew anything about him so I didn’t pay attention to Harry’s non-reaction. Oh well, the writers never seemed too interested in addressing Daniel’s return and how he was affected by the experience except in one or two episodes. So, I too have practically forgotten that Daniel was “dead” for a season. :rolleyes: And yes I know about "Threads", but S7 would have happily ended with Daniel's major, life-altering event ignored. Sorry. Just ignore that outburst.

The thing that bothered me the most was Maybourne being able to translate Ancient that well. It was a little too implausible for me. Yes, he did all that work with the NID and rouge NID, but I just don’t think he’d take the time to learn Ancient that fluently. Then again, I could be wrong, but I just found him being able to translate Ancient a little out of his realm of abilities. I could more readily believe that Daniel could look at a stone with engravings and determine a date when it was created. I’m guessing he’s going by the first entry on the pillar to get a rough estimate of when it was created.

TameFarrar
February 6th, 2005, 09:50 AM
I enjoyed this episode ...if for no other reason then I just like the Mayboune character. :D

I have lowered my expectations overall for the second half of season 8 AND I am taking extra care NOT to be spoiled for any of the new episodes. I really believe that these two factors have really enhanced my viewing pleasure and I am just having a good time watching SG1 again.

Granted I am sure that this whole episode is a *set-up* for more down the road. As many have pointed out things here and there that really just don't add up BUT I have to say I just don't care :D I just took the entire episode at its merits and enjoyed seeing the whole team back together Off-World. Add to that the pomposity of Maybourne and knowing what a huge fan Wayne Brady is of the show...I just really enjoyed myself :)

Quinn Mallory
February 6th, 2005, 11:19 AM
my money's on Garan...the woman who backed harry



I got that sense too after watching this episode but a future SGA episode will somewhat deal with this Ancient.

Daniel's_twin
February 6th, 2005, 11:50 AM
And what about the ship, are they just going to leave it there.

Oh, I think that I can guaruntee that it will not be left there. ;) :cool:

Oma Desala
February 6th, 2005, 02:32 PM
I'm finding it strange that they were able to take down Ares mothership with 2 blasts from the ancients time-jumper. They should have at least had some shields up first, then made it seem more believable. I cannot wait to find out what they plan to do with the timeship. :)

LMichelle
February 6th, 2005, 04:12 PM
I thought it was okay. I wanted more Jack/Maybourne banter.

I wonder who gave the team the flowers at the end. Some of Maybourne's wives? :p

Naquida Guy
February 7th, 2005, 04:09 AM
Really great episode.

Since it's bothering some people, remember we started encountering ancient language back in season one, and the NID would have been extremly interested in a language which could lead to technology like 'big honkin space guns.' I wouldn't have put it past Mayboune to teach himself what we knew, especially when he was running the rogue program out of Area 51 and stealinf all sorts of technology from other races. Now assuming the ancient he read there was a more recent composition, he could probably get the gist of what it was saying, especially considering he probably had alot of free time on his hands. Now if it had been an older dialect, like the language (S7 spoiler) on the tablet from Abydos, then he probably couldn't have made head or tails of it. Anyways, just a theory~

Kanten
February 7th, 2005, 12:37 PM
All in all, I really enjoyed this episode. Who doesn't love a Maybourne appearance? That coupled with the classic off-world adventure probably puts this up there as one of my favorite Season 8 episodes. This style of episode is what got me following SG-1 in the first place.

One question though, is Ares dead? He's always been a popular choice among fans as a Goa'uld they'd like to see, is that it for him? I guess it'd be safe to assume he was on the ha'tak and blew up with it.

SmartFox
February 7th, 2005, 04:24 PM
I really liked this episode. Several things i really like.

-Seeing Jack off world again
-Seeing Maybourne again
-The PJ was sweet but a little unbelievable that they to out the Ha'tak in two shots
-I really like Wayne Brady and i think he was good in this episode

Hopefully the rest of Season 8 episodes are more like this one and less like the earlier episodes.

Bastet11191967
February 9th, 2005, 12:56 PM
I did get a kick out of out, thought I thought it was resolved much quicker than would be plausible.

Jolinarsam
February 9th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Wow... Wayne Brady! I was disappointed, I wanted to see a Jaffa hoedown or scenes from a hat. I think Colin Mochrie (spelled completely wrong,I know) should be on Stargate too... and Drew Carey!

LOL! Wouldn't that be hilarious? I was so wishing they would have given Wayne a quirky alien character. He could have played that up so well. This generic jaffa guy didn't really showcase his best talent, being funny. Although when he fell down at the end, I kept having flashbacks to 'Whose Line' when he would fall on his face.

(Oh and you spelled Colin Mochrie correctly!) :)

Contondant
February 10th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Am I the only one who really didn't like this episode? The small amount of dialogue between Maybourne and Jack was good and yet small. But the rest of the episode felt hastened and cheap. I never actually got the impression the planet was in any kind of peril. The Jaffa first-prime was a joke with a high raspy voice who couldn't command any slave-villagers right. He really didn't seem that bad (maybe if he had killed that woman after all, it would have worked) and Teal'k was able to take him out way too easily. I don't believe for one second that two ancient missiles could destroy a mothership and if they could, why were thousands upon thousands of them sent into the air to take out a few dozen targets in earth's atmosphere in "The Lost City"?

And speaking of the puddle-jumper: Aren't the stargates in the Pegasus galaxy larger to accomodate these ships? Did the Atlantis crew make note of the fact the gates were larger in Pegasus? And it's not like the PD had that much clearance there. I can't believe for one second that they could get it back to earth that way in "Good to be King".

But my major qualm was with the set. This is a show which blows us away with it's quality production every week, but the castle set looked cheap and like it was made of cardboard, not to mention tiny (for a village). The entire village (maybe, what, 40 people) appears to consist mostly of old men and about 4 women of child bearing age... I don't see how these people could survive? (especially with Harry keeping them all to himself) And any shot of Harry with the skyline behind him (near the end, when Teal'c fights the Jaffa) looks very bluescreenish in my mind. And why are there armors in the castle but not a single "warrior" looking man?

All in all, and episode which left me wondering "Am I watching the right channel?"

Daniel's_twin
February 10th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Can't answer all your qualms, but a few of them I think I can take care of.

The Puddle-jumper can fit through Milky-way gates because there is no size difference. The only difference I've seen between P Gates and MW Gates are the different-colored chevrons and those light-up symbols.

and as for the First Prime, he's that guy from "Whose Line is it Anyway?". I think he was just trying something different out, but I do agree that he should've played the more bad guy role, even if it was cliche' as Anubis' First Prime. :cool:

Jolinarsam
February 12th, 2005, 08:38 PM
One thing I didn't like was that they just killed off Olokun and Bastet with just a word. Olokun I don't care so much about, but I was hoping to see Bastet again. It's so sad.
:( Another potentially cool Goa'uld down the drain.

jckfan55
February 13th, 2005, 12:13 PM
One thing I didn't like was that they just killed off Olokun and Bastet with just a word. Olokun I don't care so much about, but I was hoping to see Bastet again. It's so sad.
:( Another potentially cool Goa'uld down the drain.
Yes, it seemed like the writers just said "we don't want to deal with the system lords anymore, so let's just say a couple more are dead."

greytop
February 13th, 2005, 12:35 PM
When were Olokun and Bastet mention in the episode?

:eek: I guess I wasn't paying attention and I missed that part. :eek:

Jolinarsam
February 13th, 2005, 03:14 PM
When were Olokun and Bastet mention in the episode?

:eek: I guess I wasn't paying attention and I missed that part. :eek:

It's easy to miss. Sam says it at the beginning in the briefing room, but she's talking kind of fast.

Contondant
February 19th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Can't answer all your qualms, but a few of them I think I can take care of.

The Puddle-jumper can fit through Milky-way gates because there is no size difference. The only difference I've seen between P Gates and MW Gates are the different-colored chevrons and those light-up symbols.

and as for the First Prime, he's that guy from "Whose Line is it Anyway?". I think he was just trying something different out, but I do agree that he should've played the more bad guy role, even if it was cliche' as Anubis' First Prime. :cool:


Hmmm, I'm quite certain I heard somewhere (I thought it was in an Atlantis episode, but it may have been in some behind the scenes thing) that the Pegasus gates are larger??

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 19th, 2005, 11:24 AM
Am I the only one who really didn't like this episode? The small amount of dialogue between Maybourne and Jack was good and yet small. But the rest of the episode felt hastened and cheap. I never actually got the impression the planet was in any kind of peril. The Jaffa first-prime was a joke with a high raspy voice who couldn't command any slave-villagers right. He really didn't seem that bad (maybe if he had killed that woman after all, it would have worked) and Teal'k was able to take him out way too easily. I don't believe for one second that two ancient missiles could destroy a mothership and if they could, why were thousands upon thousands of them sent into the air to take out a few dozen targets in earth's atmosphere in "The Lost City"?

But my major qualm was with the set. This is a show which blows us away with it's quality production every week, but the castle set looked cheap and like it was made of cardboard, not to mention tiny (for a village).

All in all, and episode which left me wondering "Am I watching the right channel?"

I agree completely - it wasn't very well done at all.

Daniel's_twin
February 20th, 2005, 08:00 AM
Hmmm, I'm quite certain I heard somewhere (I thought it was in an Atlantis episode, but it may have been in some behind the scenes thing) that the Pegasus gates are larger??

Well, I have been wrong before, maybe you're right. But I still think there's no real size difference between the two designs :cool:

Ugly Pig
February 20th, 2005, 09:07 AM
Hmmm, I'm quite certain I heard somewhere (I thought it was in an Atlantis episode, but it may have been in some behind the scenes thing) that the Pegasus gates are larger??
I've never heard that. It certainly has not been said on Atlantis.

Contondant
February 20th, 2005, 11:13 AM
Ok, well I guess I stand corrected regarding the size. I may have read that in a teaser for the series, possibly here at gateworld, when it was just an idea or something. Hell, I might have made it up in my mind. But now I'm seeing several sources all saying they are of the same size (including Gateworld).
Sorry about that.

Daniel's_twin
February 22nd, 2005, 09:51 AM
Ok, well I guess I stand corrected regarding the size. I may have read that in a teaser for the series, possibly here at gateworld, when it was just an idea or something. Hell, I might have made it up in my mind. But now I'm seeing several sources all saying they are of the same size (including Gateworld).
Sorry about that.

I suppose I can forgive you. ;)

Ah, no problem. Hey, before Atlantis came out, I thought that the Wraith might've come from this galaxy! Shows you how much you can get mixed up with all the complicated stuff in this series. :cool:

Contondant
February 24th, 2005, 01:16 AM
cheers

GhostPoet
February 25th, 2005, 08:36 AM
I put this in my pile as one of my favorites :) Good character interaction.

SylvanArrow
February 25th, 2005, 11:42 PM
I liked this one quite a bit but not as much as the earlier episodes that put Maybourne and Jack together. Like Harry better when he's out for himself rather than being a good guy, heh. All in all though, he's always fun.

The Ultimate Obsession
March 4th, 2005, 09:02 AM
Anyone have a screen capture of the 'Guango"?

furling
March 11th, 2005, 04:27 PM
i watched this ep for the first time last night and i was thinking. This may have been said but i can't really be bothered reading this whole thread but since there was an ancient goin through time and recording everything that means that the ancient would have to be there whilst SG1 was there to know this, from the tribes people one really stood out, the lady who was kinda like maybournes first prime equivalent she seemed a lot clean cut compared to the other villagers who were all dirty and stuff.
Also with SG1 using the ship what does that leave her to continue on her journey???

Also i thought the ending was pretty poor like they blew up the ha'tak but then what it just stopped and they didn't explain anything else except that maybourne had several wives