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December 14th, 2004, 08:46 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 812</FONT>
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After the Prometheus responds to a distress call from a Goa'uld ship, Daniel Jackson finds himself a captive when Earth's ship is stolen.

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Replicarter
December 21st, 2004, 11:56 AM
A great episode, although Gemini is in my opinion one of season 8s top episodes, theis just tops Gemini, very funny. The very begging of the episode was similar to the first episode of Farscape i think, when Erin meets John.

Hypnos
December 21st, 2004, 12:00 PM
I liked the episode very funny, especially all the sexual innuendos etc.

Lunar
December 21st, 2004, 12:02 PM
The good:

1. General Hammond!! I really enjoyed his dialogue in this ep. Playing Jack at his own game. :)
2. Daniel. Brilliant in this ep! Funny and well in character.
3. Walter got to play the hero! Hoorah!

The bad:
1. Unfunny comedy with Novak. Those hiccoughs smacked of a joke gone wrong... :(
2. VALA. Crikey. s9 this woman is supposed to sustain my interest for 5 eps in season 9?! I'm sorry, I found her vapid, sex-crazed and unengaging. Were all those sex/naked jokes really necessary? I'll admit to cracking up over the first one when Daniel thought she was a super soldier... but fcol! Did anyone else find themselves cringing when she tried to strangle Daniel with her THIGHS! NOT one of my favourite eps of this season, which is a crying shame. Daniel deserved better, his character felt wasted in this cardboard-flimsy, trying-too-hard-to-be-funny plot.
Just MO, of course, feel free to challenge! :)

michelleb
December 21st, 2004, 12:03 PM
Oh, that was so much fun. I loved Hammond waltzing in, and taking the Prometheus, Daniel, Walter and Jack's chair!

Vala was fantsatic. I would like to see her more. She was so much fun! And I loved the way she treated Daniel...talking of which..Daniel was great in this too.

Walter was very cool, with teh shooting, and flying the Alkesh.

Yep, this was a really good one

alkalinemono
December 21st, 2004, 12:04 PM
it was priceless when daniel punched her in the face i did not expect that

Lunar
December 21st, 2004, 12:05 PM
I liked the episode very funny, especially all the sexual innuendos etc.

They were initially, but I found them a little overdone. And I can understand why Daniel would have removed her own clothes (concealed weapons, etc) but she seemed remarkably calm about an unknown alien male (from her perspective) having removed all her garments when unconscious. We know DJ is honourable, she didn't. And she finds it *funny*?
:S
Don't think I would, in her position.
(Get your minds out of the gutter :D )

geb
December 21st, 2004, 12:06 PM
Just like to say what a crap episode and waste of time. What was the point in this episode? Only good point was to see general hammond .

A couple of questions really. Why do the shields fail so quickly and weapons run out so fast? Before you say we dont have enough power for the asgaard upgraded shields why would they update them and not give us the necessary equiment to use them properly.

nthanki
December 21st, 2004, 12:10 PM
Some great comedy in this episode. The whole jack/daniel thing and then hammond coming in and stampimg his authority down was great.
daniel could have done with teal'c assistance, because he got his ass kicked!
prometheus rocks! so does walter! he owned that al'kesh!
a good episode, could have explained more about the race and the woman but i guess we will meet her again in season 9.

Anubis
December 21st, 2004, 01:01 PM
Excellent stuff. A lot better than what I was expecting, by far.


We got another look around and Alkesh which was nice, a depper look into the Prometheus, and some good on-screen time from Daniel.

The humour was good, perhaps a little too overdone? Maybe. But I like it, it worked well.

The super-soldier suit had me fooled at first when it was actually Vala in it, something I didn't expect at all. ;) I thought it was just another soldier that had ringed aboard.

Go General Hammond. :D He was great in this ep, decent amount of him too. :) Especially when he went on a kind of mission himself aboard the scout ship to recover the cyrstals to power the Alkesh. :)


Good show.

Thor's Gunner
December 21st, 2004, 01:04 PM
I thought it was one of the best eps this season, im glad we've got to see a bit more of general hammondand SG-2. Some bits were a bit off yes but overall i enjoyed it, SGA was better though.

Madeleine
December 21st, 2004, 01:06 PM
I was in stitches through the middle segment of this one. A good ep all round, and the presence of Hammond and Walter and the excellence of Claudia Black meant I didn't miss Teal'c or Sam at all.

The Hiccupping Woman would probably have annoyed me to bits six years ago, but all during my first pregnancy I was that Hiccupping Woman and I felt her pain :o. Besides, she gave Walter an excuse to do that funny thing moving the glass. That's talent, that is, to move a glass humourously.

Daniel ducking behind a wall and hiding once again demonstrated that he's definitely one of those people for whom Discretion Is The Better Part Of Valour. (Hmm, Valour, there's a pun in there somewhere but it's too late in the evening for me to work out something good.)

Loved Daniel's line ("Oh crap") when he realised he was about to get zatted. Then came the Daniel Tied To A Chair bit, and the fun really started. I'd heard Vala described as a 'love interest' and was pretty apprehensive. Was v v glad to see that Love had nothing to do with it :). Made it a bit different. LOL at his reaction to her first expression of attraction :D

It was intriguing to hear her talk about having been a host, but there wasn't nearly enough exploration of that for me. But s9 might take care of that. It was great fun seeing her wallop Daniel so enthusiastically, and him just holding her off until he could Zat her.

I thought MS and CB really had something sparky in this ep, I'm well chuffed that CB'll be back. Walter's "Godspeed" to Hammond was sweet. It's nice to see him get more of a part this season.

I'll have to watch it a couple more times to see how it holds up, but I'm pretty sure I found this funnier than any other Stargate ep yet.

Best line: "You're a fruitcake."

Lunar
December 21st, 2004, 01:10 PM
Best line: "You're a fruitcake."

By far! ;)

Anubis
December 21st, 2004, 01:12 PM
I'm sorry, I found her vapid, sex-crazed and unengaging. Were all those sex/naked jokes really necessary? I'll admit to cracking up over the first one when Daniel thought she was a super soldier... but fcol! Did anyone else find themselves cringing when she tried to strangle Daniel with her THIGHS! NOT one of my favourite eps of this season, which is a crying shame. Daniel deserved better, his character felt wasted in this cardboard-flimsy, trying-too-hard-to-be-funny plot.
Just MO, of course, feel free to challenge! :)



I'd quite agree. She did seem everything you said, vapid and more than anything really sex-crazed. I think this was a little too overdone too, I hope they don't bring it up again, it's not that it's bad, it's just a little overdone. Other than this, it was a fair episode, not the best though. ;)

Watters87
December 21st, 2004, 01:15 PM
Brilliant episode. Usually I don't care much about Daniel centred episode so I had low expectations for this but it was brilliant. Loved the exchange between Jack and George at the start and Hammond want's his chair back! :D Great spark between MS and CB and hope to see more of her in Season 9. Walter piloting the Alkesh was funny and you could see the smile on his face. Season 8 is getting better and better. :)

Pelagia
December 21st, 2004, 01:15 PM
I don't know what I think of this yet, I'll have to watch again and then decide. I know I found all the sexual innuendo to be terribly childish and immature writing-wise. The first bit with Vala in the Super Soldier outfit coming on to Daniel was funny, but after that it got old rather quickly. The fight between Vala and Daniel was simply ridiculous and way OTT. I always thought Stargate was supposed to be a Drama, but the writers seem to be trying for a comedy and falling short.

I'm also getting tired of hearing Jack's words come out of Daniel's mouth and for this I blame the writers. Daniel is not Jack. He isn't a sarcastic, jokes at the wrong moment, silly, brainless git. You could have exchanged Jack for Daniel in a lot of this episode and not had to change the lines at all. That's not good.

This could have been a very good dramatic episode, with Vala having once played host to a goa'uld and survived where Shau'ri died. Instead we got .... I'm not sure exactly what we got.

CB did a pretty good job, and MS was good as he channeled Jack. Good to see DSD back and that Walter was there, but lose the lass with the hiccups, that was simply ridiculous.

I'd truly like to see less of the buffed up military Daniel, and more of the old linguist/archeaological man.

DIngChavez
December 21st, 2004, 01:18 PM
I thought it was one of the best eps this season, im glad we've got to see a bit more of general hammondand SG-2. Some bits were a bit off yes but overall i enjoyed it, SGA was better though.

Wasn't it SG-3? I will say no more. :cool:

Madeleine
December 21st, 2004, 01:27 PM
I'm also getting tired of hearing Jack's words come out of Daniel's mouth and for this I blame the writers. Daniel is not Jack. He isn't a sarcastic, jokes at the wrong moment, silly, brainless git. You could have exchanged Jack for Daniel in a lot of this episode and not had to change the lines at all. That's not good..

I agree to an extent, Daniel does often say lines that could just as well have been written for Jack. Me, I don't find that too much of a problem; Jack said in s6 that spending time with Daniel had meant that Daniel rubbed off on him, and I think it's natural that the reverse is also true.

It doesn't bother me, cos the words might be in the same style, but the delivery is very different. Whereas Jack goes for sarky as a put-down (and RDA does it well) Daniel tends to go for sarky as a bit of sparring. Jack delivers his lines so that there's no option for his target to give a witty reply or spirited comeback (hon. exception Harry Maybourne). Daniel delivers his like it's part of a conversation and even seems to relish it when his sarkiness is met with a good retort. I felt that to be the case with Weir in New Order and particularly in this ep with Vala.

Thor's Gunner
December 21st, 2004, 01:30 PM
Wasn't it SG-3? I will say no more. :cool:
It might have been, i cant remember, I'll have to re-watch it at some point.

And Pelagia, the immature side of the characters and writing is what makes the comical value, like O'neil and Sheppards childish behaviour when captured ect. its what makes it so brilliant in my opinion.

Pelagia
December 21st, 2004, 01:38 PM
I agree to an extent, Daniel does often say lines that could just as well have been written for Jack. Me, I don't find that too much of a problem; Jack said in s6 that spending time with Daniel had meant that Daniel rubbed off on him, and I think it's natural that the reverse is also true.

It doesn't bother me, cos the words might be in the same style, but the delivery is very different. Whereas Jack goes for sarky as a put-down (and RDA does it well) Daniel tends to go for sarky as a bit of sparring. Jack delivers his lines so that there's no option for his target to give a witty reply or spirited comeback (hon. exception Harry Maybourne). Daniel delivers his like it's part of a conversation and even seems to relish it when his sarkiness is met with a good retort. I felt that to be the case with Weir in New Order and particularly in this ep with Vala.

I can see your point, and even partially agree, although I still wish it were different. It appears to me that Michael Shanks' acting is becoming 'courser' as he plays Daniel; where he used to portray an emotion with just a glance, he's now going OTT with jerky lines and slapstick movements. He's still miles above a lot of actors his age, but I feel he's going backwards talent-wise rather than forward. His own natural, artistic insticts were breathtaking once, but now it's as though he wants to come in. play with his friends and go home. There's no heart and soul left in his performances anymore and that saddens me. I'd hoped for a good, meaty episode and instead received more candy floss. :(

samjack4ever
December 21st, 2004, 01:39 PM
I don't know what I think of this yet, I'll have to watch again and then decide. I know I found all the sexual innuendo to be terribly childish and immature writing-wise. The first bit with Vala in the Super Soldier outfit coming on to Daniel was funny, but after that it got old rather quickly. The fight between Vala and Daniel was simply ridiculous and way OTT. I always thought Stargate was supposed to be a Drama, but the writers seem to be trying for a comedy and falling short.

I'm also getting tired of hearing Jack's words come out of Daniel's mouth and for this I blame the writers. Daniel is not Jack. He isn't a sarcastic, jokes at the wrong moment, silly, brainless git. You could have exchanged Jack for Daniel in a lot of this episode and not had to change the lines at all. That's not good.

This could have been a very good dramatic episode, with Vala having once played host to a goa'uld and survived where Shau'ri died. Instead we got .... I'm not sure exactly what we got.

CB did a pretty good job, and MS was good as he channeled Jack. Good to see DSD back and that Walter was there, but lose the lass with the hiccups, that was simply ridiculous.

I'd truly like to see less of the buffed up military Daniel, and more of the old linguist/archeaological man.I totally agree with you Pelagia. This was a total none episode. Nothing happened. And you're right they passed up a fantastic opportunity to have a nice dramatic Daniel centric episode instead we end up with Carry on Stargate...

It was great to see DSD again and I hope we get to see a lot more of him in the future.

omnian
December 21st, 2004, 01:47 PM
This was a bizarre episode. I mean, it was weird seeing Hammond act heroic and go onto that ship to get the crystals. I suppose it was more shock than anything! :p

Then there was the whole Vala thing. Dear oh dear. I agree with previous posters; her character just came across all wrong. Definitely not what I had in mind, I'll tell you what. Hopefully the character isn't quite the same for whatever eps the rest of the season has in store for her.

It was great seeing Hammond again though. Damn that hiccupping woman too! I was hoping she'd have gotten left behind :D

flynn1959
December 21st, 2004, 02:26 PM
Fantastic episode.... C.B will be a great replacement for A.T.

The chemistry between her and Daniel was far better than we ever saw between Jack/Sam.

cant wait for season 9!!!!

the dancer of spaz
December 21st, 2004, 02:28 PM
So, overall, the ep was good? I'm glad. I haven't been too excited about this ep, but I am definitely looking forward to seeing it (not that that's anything new). :D If they can achieve two great eps in a row, I have more than enough faith in them to make the rest of the season just great.

I just hope they don't ruin it during the ninth season with the Farscape Reunion :p

Teal'c
December 21st, 2004, 02:35 PM
Best episode so far this season

Most definately. I was in stiches at most of it. I laughed the entire way through the opening credits after seeing Jack's reaction to "I'm taking Walter too" :P

I didn't like Novak in the first scene, but she was fine after that. When she tells Reynolds to give Hammond mouth to mouth... I could hardly breath I was laughing so much there. And Walter blowing the crap out of the other ships... priceless :D

Vala was really good, but how much of what she said was true? It's a good thing she'll be back in Season 9 anyway. I thought most of the sexual innuendo was funny. And the fight between the two of them had shades of Xander vs. Harmony :P

I only had one problem with the episode: damned humanoid aliens. If they had to be alien, could they not have made them Serrakin or something? (though that would have resulted in further questions from Daniel...) This race better be back, they need a name. *glares at PTB*

Also, did I see Sgt. Bosworth in the credits? It flashed by pretty quicky, but I thought I saw Bosworth written there...

So, absolutely brilliant episode, far surpassed my expectations (which were actually high, so that means it was really good)

Catysg1
December 21st, 2004, 02:55 PM
...First Jack is only in there for like 5 minutes ..right at the beginning..and no Sam at all

The episode is OK but I will never watch it again...it's very Daniel centric ...why not !!!! Daniel deserves his episode too although he is far from being my favorite character but he was hot in that episode ..Vala thought so too ..Daniel is not vala's boyfriend ...he zats her at the end ..before she had time to speak again ...Vala finds Daniel attractive compared to the other ones of the prometheus crew ....this is why she kept him mostly ....Vala is probably in need of sex ..she does mention sex to Daniel in the episode ....They have a fight ..and it's hilarious ...I laughed so much ..They were very good ..She kicks him in the !!!!!!It hurts ..poor Daniel ....Vala was a lot to cope with for Daniel ..but I think TPTB made Daniel play the John Crichton fellow a lot ..specially when he carries her ...and in the fight too.

Hammond was there and it was nice to see him ...sg3 was there too...and they got transported by vala in her ship which was a go'aould ship .

Then she kept Daniel ...when Vala and Daniel first meet ...Vala is dressed with a supersoldier outfit and is undestructible ...and she said to Daniel she finds him attractive.. still wearing the supersoldier mask ..Daniel panicks and says "You are not my style" then she takes off her helmet and we see her with her long black hair like Eayrin Sun. Eventually she takes all her supersoldier outfit ..and she wears a very tight black outfit [a bit catsuit)
..very sexy I suppose for a guy to watch...After the fight with Daniel he zatts her a first time and puts her in a secluded room ..but she does not wear the same clothes anymore ...so she obviuosly knows that Daniel changed her in proper gear ..She tells him that because he saw her naked ..he can do lunch for her because she is starving ...and she eats at one end of the table and Daniel at the other end with his zat gun right by his hand just in case.

Anyway ..she says she wants the prometheus because she wants to save her people ..but apparently she made a deal with other aliens of another planet to exchange the prometheus against the Naquadah that they have ..The deal does not happen ..because Hammond and the others found a way to make the go'aould ship work ..( Vala made sure the go'aould ship will not follow them) and go and save Daniel and Vala ...Vala helps Daniel at the end ...She is a good person really ....he does not know what to do with her ...so I suppose he puts her back in the secluded room!!!! and at the end she escapes ..and he says to Hammond and the other ones "She is good"


There is also that military girl who has the Hickup during the whole episode ..but this is a minor plotline I wonder why they had to do that but anyway .


Daniel was John Crichton and Vala was very much Earyn.....They left the ship open ...between Daniel and Vala ..we can not conclude that they'll be an item ..Vala was a bit much for Daniel ..After the fight he was so relieved when he zats her ...and at the end too ..he zats her again ..and *sigh*


Quite a good episode ... some hilarious scenes....but I'm not a Daniel fan therefore I probably won't watch it again .. Daniel was hot though in that one ....but I liked Vala .....I think she 'll be good for the show while AT is away for the first 5 weeks of season 9 ;)


Caty :)

Catysg1
December 21st, 2004, 02:59 PM
Fantastic episode.... C.B will be a great replacement for A.T.

The chemistry between her and Daniel was far better than we ever saw between Jack/Sam.

cant wait for season 9!!!!


Don't forget that Sam and Jack are military and can't consort that way..and Vala and Daniel are just normal people ...who can do whatever they please anytime ...anywhere...and they call each other by their little names too ..I think this is important to consider in the story line ;)



CB is not replacing AT ..she(Vala) is an alien ..not a colonel ..and she is only filling the gap because of AT's baby ..and yes I think she is a good thing but ...Sam is Sam and I really like her ...and I like Vala too...I don't think AT would appreciate the word "replacement " to be honest.

I think it's more a question of compensating the lack of availability ;)

Caty ;)

aAnubiSs
December 21st, 2004, 03:04 PM
I loved that Vala was bringing sex into everything. Not all characters should be the same, some should be a little "weird". I must say I agree 100% with Teal'c, this was the episode I looked forward to the most, and I must say I really liked it. And I think we can settle the "energy weapons", since they wouldn't run out of ammo :)

I said 6 months ago or so that I thought this episode would make a really really good story line if followed up, and TPTB seems to agree with me :)

I loved Novak btw.

Oh and Prometheus with Asgard hyperdrive = 1,300,000c an increase with 1,100,000 from the Nr. one.

Matt G
December 21st, 2004, 03:21 PM
OK...

If this is what happens when Farscape actors are let on to the SG1 set then this is not a good omen for S9! :( ;) ;)

1. OK...which writer's dumbarsed idea was it to have the most prominent female crewmember in this episode hiccup for the entire ep!

2. I was LOLing for the entire Daniel-Vala conflict - not sure I was supposed to be though.

3. Having said that, it was good to see Hammond again, and his one-on-one with Jack at the beginning was class!

In short Joe, if you got that stash from the Farscape crew - please dump the rest down the drain!:(

JackDaniels
December 21st, 2004, 03:48 PM
Ok loved it, loved it! Below are my fav bits:

1. Jack and Daniel together again!

2. General Hammond, his chair and Jack looking so gormless in front of him once more!

3. Daniel thinking the super soldier was coming onto him and also the part where he was wincing at her taking the helmet off.

4. the fight - esp the bit where Daniel was kicked over the control panel and his legs flew up in the air.

5. Daniel and the aliens - "Hans Olo" and "I'm not surprised. Do I look surprised?"

6. Reynolds at the thought of giving mouth to mouth to General Hammond

7. Walter in general (i think he's been great with his extra airtime in season 8)

8. Daniel in general.

9. I agree the best line was "you're a fruitcake"

10. Daniel getting some action (bless him its been five years!)

I really thought this was a great episode, it was nice to have a funny episode after the more serious Sacrifices/Endgame and Gemini. Ok, so it was a bit OTT at times, but it was funny because of it, and i certainly think it left you wanting more - finding out what Vala's deal is and I really want the rest of SG-1 to see his chemistry with her. I think its good he got some action, he was funny, quippy and held his own. I have to admit I didn't really miss Teal'c or Sam, and the bit of Jack, although short was well worth it. There were a couple of things I didn't like (that hiccup woman mainly) but what I also thought was nice about this episode was that it gave time to other people, Reynolds, SG -3, Hammond and Walter. Think I'm going to watch it again now!

mancslad08
December 21st, 2004, 04:13 PM
I liked the episode very funny, especially all the sexual innuendos etc.
the sexual innuendos were crap and childish. Sloppy writting by the writers.

So so episode. A bit pointless, but I'd say 6/10.

Excellent CGI work for the spacebattle scenes. Great ship movements/camera angles.

keppiezbt
December 21st, 2004, 04:18 PM
will someone post a summary of this episode? there have been none yet.

Taonas
December 21st, 2004, 04:20 PM
This episode was really good! The second half of both Altantis and SG-1's seasons are quite good! I can't wait for "Reckoning".

Gaterholic
December 21st, 2004, 07:23 PM
Just like to say what a crap episode and waste of time. What was the point in this episode? Only good point was to see general hammond .

A couple of questions really. Why do the shields fail so quickly and weapons run out so fast? Before you say we dont have enough power for the asgaard upgraded shields why would they update them and not give us the necessary equiment to use them properly.
I agree. It was funny, and visually nice, but other than that, a complete waste of time.
It seems like the writers knew this was a filler and didnt put much effort into it. There just seemed to be parts of the episodes missing. The last two episodes of stargate have been very predictable. If they are going to take Farscape actors, they should take their unexpected stories too.

Big Cons were
1) They don't explain much about vala
2) Prometheus gets beaten up bu a few gliders. Isn't asgard tech supposed to be in another league compared to the Goauld
3) Where are these asguard weapons? We've heard them to exist. I cant see the asgard as having a sense of humor to give us Hyperdrive and shields, and say "Yea, sure, a few missles and bullets should keep you safe"

I love this show, but this episode brought up memories of "Space race"

Chlex
December 21st, 2004, 07:43 PM
Prometheus Unbound was such a cute episode!

Cute as in, I give a 3/10 for episode quality and 12/10 for how much I adored it. I know that doesn't make much sense, but there ya have it.

Eps like this generally aren't my prefered flavour of Stargate- the slapstick humour was overdone- and it bordered on corny. It's like everyone was trying really hard to be RDA. They got most of it right though- funniest thing I've seen on Stargate this season was the 'I find you attractive' part. The look MS had was priceless.

...And some of it they got wrong. Whats-her-name Mc'Hiccup was definitely the most annoying character in the history of television. Oh, and the mouth-to-mouth? Oi, lol. The planet they landed on was... interesting. The aliens were, um... different. I guess I've gotten used to aliens looking all human that it just didn't ring true for me. And why did Prometheus get it's butt kicked so hard? Jack better ask Thor for some defence shield upgrades next Christmas.


But hello... Daniel! He and Vala had oodles of chemistry, and they were so funny around each other. I loved watching their scenes, even when it got incredibly cliched. They never really dealt with Vala's past the way I wanted to though... so she was host to a Goa'uld (unlike ANY other woman who has fallen for Danny) and she was tortured etc... but don't we get anything else about her? I guess there was that 'mystery' aspect to her.


Think it's too soon for a D/V ship? I know, everyone's cringing, but I can't help the way my mind works. Unlike most of the 'relationships' Stargate has attempted, they had absolutely no angst. It was just... playful. In a really shallow way. I can't wait to see Vala again! She kicked ass. Definitely has potential to be as cool as Sam Carter... and I wouldn't say that lightly.

So yes. I have a love/hate relationship with this episode... but because I know they'll never do something like it again this season, I'm leaning towards love.

meimei
December 21st, 2004, 07:47 PM
Just have to say that I loved this ep. At least they got back to action, even thought we didn't get to see the big round spinny thing that is hiding in the basement.

Loved the Jack/Daniel argument and the way Hammond settled it. And Jack's chair!! LOL! I have to watch future scenes to see if it's really gone!

Walter!! What can you say!? The poor man went nameless for years locking chevron seven and turns out to be one of the hidden jewels in SG1!

Vala/Daniel... Loved it when he punched her in the nose... Didn't seem very hard though, they should have thrown a little blood in there, on both of them. Real punch like that should have brought some blood.

The fruitcake line had me rolling! I wasn't sure about CB in SG1 S9, but now I kinda wish they'd signed her as a regular and BB for a few spots instead of the reverse.

I was laughing the whole ep pretty much. The sexual innuendo didn't bother me in the slightest. I figured that Vala has and was using it to distract Daniel... and it worked for the most part.

The whole "you're not my type" had me rolling because I knew from spoilers that it was Vala in the supersoldier suit... LOL!

And Reynolds giving mouth to mouth to Hammond!! ROTFLMAO!! And his line about, "good waking up, oh, and good job too". I had to go back and watch that again cause I was laughing too hard the first time to catch it!

All in all, I thought it was one of the best eps so far this season. Gemini was also good IMO, so if the rest of S8 is as good as these two, it should be wonderful!!

njsutorius
December 21st, 2004, 08:05 PM
this episode was supposed to be funny? it might of been alright if they didnt have the retard hicup girl, wow that was bad.. such a good idea done so wrong.. i get sad when i have to watcha not so good sg1 ep.. i think they keep saving the good stuff for sga witch is having a good s1.

the dancer of spaz
December 21st, 2004, 08:26 PM
First of all, I'd like to mention how utterly hilarious it is to see such polar opposite opinions on this ep and Gemini. :P This fandom never ceases to amaze/humor me. ;)

I was just wondering:

a) Transcript, please!!! :D

b) And what the frell is up with the hiccups. Madeleine said something earlier, but I was still quite confused. Can anyone clarify please? :)


Thanks!

Madeleine
December 21st, 2004, 09:10 PM
There was a AF Technician (or something) who hiccupped constantly. It started during a briefing Daniel gave.

There was a brilliant line after they'd all been captured; "well on the bright side my hiccups have stopped". Corny I know, but I was in such good spirits from the rest of the ep that I found it hi-larious.

Dana_Jeanne
December 21st, 2004, 09:15 PM
I finally got to see it. I don't like slapstick humour, or sexual innuendo, and I thought both went way OTT in this. The fight between the two of them was ridiculous, partly because there's no way Vala should have been able to beat up Daniel, not after 8 years of training. And the constant muttering about having sex-- to me this was the writers FORCING an attraction, rather than letting one appear on it's own. Every once in a while I caught a little spark, but it was not in the places where it was written.

If this is what Vala is, and the way S9 is going to be written, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm not a hormone-ridden 14 year old boy and I get no thrill out of an episode like this. When I watch an episode and I see MICHAEL rather than Daniel, then something is wrong. This just isn't Daniel for me, and I'm hugely disappointed. Everything seemed so forced. If I wanted to watch Farscape, then I would go rent the DVD's.

What was with that chickie who kept hicupping? It did nothing for the plot; I assume it was put in there because someone thought it was 'funny.' Can we stop with the 'comedy' and get back to DRAMA?

You only have, what, 40 minutes to tell a story? If it's not pertinent to the plot, then leave it out.

And when you have to give someone CPR, you don't wrinkle up your nose in disgust and hesitate. Both Reynolds and Hammond (AND Damien Kindler!) are far beyond the 'ooh, cooties, he's a boy I can't put my lips on his!' age!

And writers? DANIEL IS NOT JACK. Please stop putting Jack's words into Daniel's mouth, it doesn't sound good at all.

We really need some FEMALES up at Bridge in the writing and producing areas. Some new blood. You're hiring Farscape actors, why not hire a few of thier writers, too? Give yourselves a bit of a break, working on two shows at the same time does not make for good quality.

The best thing in the entire episode was the teaser; that actually felt natural. Other than that, I'll watch this when it airs in the US, but it won't be on my re-watch list.

IMO, this should have been a serious episode, not a 'comedic' one. Nobody's heard from Atlantis in ages, they're going off to hopefully rescue them when they get "hijacked." ARGH.

I'm hugely disappointed.

Dana Jeanne

epiphany
December 21st, 2004, 09:23 PM
It doesn't bother me, cos the words might be in the same style, but the delivery is very different. Whereas Jack goes for sarky as a put-down (and RDA does it well) Daniel tends to go for sarky as a bit of sparring. Jack delivers his lines so that there's no option for his target to give a witty reply or spirited comeback (hon. exception Harry Maybourne). Daniel delivers his like it's part of a conversation and even seems to relish it when his sarkiness is met with a good retort. I felt that to be the case with Weir in New Order and particularly in this ep with Vala.

Whoa, Madeleine, that's brilliant. That is exactly what it's like and it's what makes it different from Jack. Of course I've always felt Daniel was snarky, heck he was snarky in the film. I don't consider this something new in his personality BUT you are right when Daniel goes for those sorts of lines they are delivered in the sense of almost wanting a good retort in return, wanting to spar(which is why it must drive Jack nuts, he wants it to end, Daniel wants to run with it;)). It fits with Daniel's personality, he's wants to communicate and connect through language--even if it's connecting through sarcasm. :)

Shipperahoy
December 21st, 2004, 09:25 PM
I loved it. It was silly and fun. Yes, the sexual innuendo was a bit over the top but it was still fun for me. I loved MS in this episode and I was in stitches more than once. I have to agree that the whole "You're a fruitcake" line was perhaps the best. I didn't see Daniel really being attracted to her. I saw her trying to use sex and Daniel going from being disgusted to mildly amused to bored. I nearly cried laughing during the scene when he thought that the Super Soldier was coming on to him. And the scene with Jack and Daniel in the beginning was perhaps the best Jack/Daniel interaction we've had all season, which could be considered sort of sad. The fight between Daniel and Vala was cheesy, but I think that was the intention. He was being all honorable and trying not to hit "a girl" and there she was whumping on him. My husband was holding his sides in pain from laughing so hard at the part where they were pulling each others hair. There could have been more of a back story where Vala was concerned and it was definately a filler type episode but I really enjoyed it.

the dancer of spaz
December 21st, 2004, 09:41 PM
Whoa, Madeleine, that's brilliant. That is exactly what it's like and it's what makes it different from Jack. Of course I've always felt Daniel was snarky, heck he was snarky in the film. I don't consider this something new in his personality BUT you are right when Daniel goes for those sorts of lines they are delivered in the sense of almost wanting a good retort in return, wanting to spar(which is why it must drive Jack nuts, he wants it to end, Daniel wants to run with it;)). It fits with Daniel's personality, he's wants to communicate and connect through language--even if it's connecting through sarcasm. :)

That makes a lot of sense Madeleine and epiphany. Good point! :)

I'd give you rep points for it, but GW had other plans. ;) Something about spreading it around or something. Whateva!

Buzz Lightyear
December 21st, 2004, 09:44 PM
So, overall, the ep was good? I'm glad. I haven't been too excited about this ep, but I am definitely looking forward to seeing it (not that that's anything new). :D If they can achieve two great eps in a row, I have more than enough faith in them to make the rest of the season just great.


Good? Depends on what one is expecting, I guess.

Those who loved the comedy of "The Other Guys" will like all the funny lines, though I think the writers were trying too hard and many jokes didn't work for me.

Those who are looking for a more serious SG arc episode will be rather disappointed. And the tease of going to Atlantis remains just that - a big fat unfulfilled tease.

My overall reaction is "OMG! What n00bs in space!"

I mean, how do you keep losing your starship - this time to just one person? How can you have a ring transport system that can be remotely activated by hostiles? And of course, on the salvage mission to the crippled ship with near-depleted life support, send the oldest slowest person with the poorest lung capacity. :rolleyes:

SaberBlade
December 21st, 2004, 09:58 PM
if the episode had been serious all the way through then i think it would have been a whole let better.

the comedy just lowered the overall quality of the episode. there were some good funny scenes like at the begining of the show, the "warrior" coming on to daniel, Reynold expression at having to give hammond mouth to mouth (that look was just priceless) and his reaction to him waking up. other than that the comedy just didn't fit. i thought the fight with Vala and Daniel could have been better if they hadn't been trying to make the scene funny. the humour just didn't fit into this episode

the ship was a let down. the episode showed that without shields, the prometheus can't withstand an attack from a few gliders without becoming badly damage.

on the positive side, it was good to see walter actually do something more just call out the chevrons status. yes we all like him for doing that but it was great so see him kick some ass

Buzz Lightyear
December 21st, 2004, 10:15 PM
When I watch an episode and I see MICHAEL rather than Daniel, then something is wrong. This just isn't Daniel for me, and I'm hugely disappointed. Everything seemed so forced. If I wanted to watch Farscape, then I would go rent the DVD's.

Yeah, that was what was bugging me throughout the episode. I wasn't seeing "Daniel Jackson". Instead, I saw a watered down version of "John Crichton meeting Aeryn Soon" à la Stargate. :S

blufeenix
December 21st, 2004, 11:07 PM
I really enjoyed this one and CB's charecter Vala for me was very differernt to aeryn sun in farscape the sexual inuendos and such - were to me used to put daniel off I agree with whoever said that...

I'm looking forward to seeing Vala again and getting more info about her.

BritAngie
December 21st, 2004, 11:10 PM
I must say I loved it! Laughed all the way through. Loved how so irritated Daniel got with Vala in that annoying kid sister or persistant itch you can't scratch kinda way. Also lol at him trying to squash her head on the brig monitor when she was coming too from being unconscious.. I love those sort of small touches!
Loved the "you're a fruitcake" and great fight scenes! :D Nice to see General Hammond get some action too and lol at the mouth to mouth.

It was fluff but it was chocolate flavour candy floss kinda fluff and I can see why Michael Shank's says this is one of his fave eps of the season! :)

Also loved Atlantis tonight (Go Rodney! :D )

DetriusXii
December 21st, 2004, 11:34 PM
I'm going to be focusing on the aliens of the week theme that other series seem to follow and that Stargate has kept different by limiting the number of aliens.

With the Stargate aliens, they are few in number and the ones we've encountered are way stronger than the Go'uld, way weaker than the Go'uld, or not space faring. (up to Season 6 with the introduction of the Serakin). The Gould empire's existence is plausible because there weren't any space faring alliances in our galaxy to end the Go'uld threat. The writers brought in the Asgard, originating from another galaxy, in order to impose some restraints upon the Gould. There was a level of despair because humans were alone and the Tollan, the only human culture that could fight the Gould prior to season 5, chose to be isolationist.

By having a limited number of aliens, each alien race could be spent more time on. We eventually learned of Tokra within the Gould, an ancient alliance between Nox, Asgard, Furling, and Ancients. And each new race brought into the SGverse was given a sufficient backstory to explain why they can't fight the Gould (except for possibly Nems race). The Xels don't believe in space travel, the Gadmeer are extinct and reseeding, the Crystal Skull aliens may have to obey the rules of the Ascended (a possible theory), the Nox are pacifist, and the Asgard are fighting their war against the Replicators, the Tollans were arrogant due to their ion cannons, etc.

With the Serakin, we don't know what there reason is for ignoring the Gould or much of their backstory other than fighting the Gould and adopting humans into their civilization. How do the Serakin fit into the overall Gould arc considering they are aware of the Gould? How do the aliens we just met fit into the Gould relationship?

And if the writers keep on introducing new space faring alien races, then it begs the question, were the Ancients alone at the peak of their empire? Are there other races in the Ida galaxy that were wiped out by the Replicators? And why is the Pegasus galaxy so desolate compared to the Milky Way?

drkevlee
December 21st, 2004, 11:37 PM
I get the feeling this is going to be one of those love/hate shows. I didn't like it at all. It's frustrating because the premise is although completely unoriginal (Sam, in Grace... Far better.) it could have still held as an excellent character episode.

The episode seemed like one where they came up with the basic plot and just decided to make it a fun episode. But they've stuffed so much levity in there that it makes the whole thing topple over. The action scenes were bewildering and not engaging, and the banter wasn't very in Daniel's character. The whole random banter and little expressions were cute, but not what he does, or what he does well at all. The more annoying thing is that I can very much see chemistry developping between Vala and Daniel, but it was so squeezed out that it came off as purely artificial.

I think the episode would have been much better structured if Daniel initially caught Vala, threw her in the cell, and basically attempted to reach her for the bulk of the episode. That would've made a great character study (Daniel is the first guy to treat her well, Vala learns to trust him, and they have meals together, etc.). Instead we get all this filler crap, including the b-plot with the Alkesh (like there was any doubt about Hammond surviving... ) And the weird Star War-ish aliens and random Gou'ald.

There's also obvious plot problems that poked out at me:
-There's NO ring security at all?! No security force? Is there no ON/OFF switch?!
-Hammond leading the mission would never be allowed. That would be like Donald Rumsfeld leading the next incursion into Iraq, it makes no sense to put a person of incredible strategic importance on a frontline mission.

The only things I did like:
-Claudia Black. I don't care, she's awesome. But they totally wasted her.
-The gag with Hammond and Renolds giving him mouth-to-mouth. It's the little quirky jokes that work best.
-Basically the first encounter between Vala and Daniel was very cute, how we thought it was Gou'ald that said "You are attractive." or how she made a crack about size matters...
-Vala and the random aliens expand the Stargate universe considerably, painting a more complete picture of this galaxy beyond Humans, Gou'ald, and the Asguard.

I hope the writers enjoyed their vacation, because we haven't had any Daniel-centric episodes and I really don't want this to count as one.

Albion
December 22nd, 2004, 12:25 AM
Oooooo-kay, got a couple of gratuitous comments to make before I start with this one.

Firstly, boy did this episode have a lot of ship in it!

:D

Har! Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

Secondly, the Mystery of the Vanishing Archeologist is finally solved as Daniel emerges from the elevator he vanished into at the start of Gemini in the teaser for this episode. See? Told you guys he'd been stuck in there all week.

Well, I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Daniel was a joy throughout and loved his having learned enough savvy over the years not to blindly fall for Vala's story. Nice one, Daniel. And...Hans Olo? ROTFL! And I was laughing so hard when he turned around and punched her that I had to pause the recording until I could breathe again. In fact this one had me bursting out loud with laughter at more than one point. One of which was Daniel's "Sorry, you're not my type. And I'm a little disturbed I appear to be yours." His entire reaction to the 'SuperSoldier' telling him it had kept him aboard because he was attractive was one of the most hilarious Stargate moments I've ever seen.

Loved the teaser. Thought RDA needed to dial it down a little as he appeared a tad...manic in his line delivery, I thought. But all the same it was fun. Particuarly liked:

Daniel: Because I'll quit!
Jack: Why don't you hold your breath. You haven't done that in a while.

I liked Vala much more than I thought I would. She was a lot of fun and her interaction with Daniel fun too (although deeply unconvincing at times. I know that fight was intended to be comedic, but it was a bit clumsily directed imo) But to be honest I didn't find her character intriguing or interesting enough to merit her return in future episodes. Still, I guess it would greatly depend on the plot she was involved in.

It was slightly odd not to see Carter or Teal'c for an entire episode. But any scenes with them would have been entirely gratuitious as the plot didn't call for them, so it didn't bother me too much, apart from the obvious disappointment of not seeing them.

To make up for their loss it was lovely to see Walter, Hammond and other regular support cast get to do something a little out of their usual box and they all worked well together. Walter's face when he looked up and saw the SuperSolider was a delight to behold.

Novak...hmmmmmmm. The hiccup thing was slightly amusing to begin with but rapidly just got irritating and it seemed so superfluous. Like a badly written attempt to graft on character. It reminded me of self-help writing manuals, which tend to warn against giving characters obvious traits like this when you should be gifting them with genuine character and interest rather than cheap gimmicks. But she was a likeable enough character for all that. I understand why Carter wasn't aboard ship, but the channeling of her by Novak during the scenes where Hammond was trying to get the crystal from the cargo ship was a bit spooky. :p

Loved all the SuperSoldier scenes at the start too. When it first came out through the door it sent a shiver down my spine. And loved Daniel ducking out of its way the moment he saw it. That boy sure has been learning.

So...verdict? Funny, tense, action-packed (which was a nice counterbalance to the more talky episodes we've had lately) and a really nice Daniel-centric episode that's sure to make it onto my list of the well-watched.

Albion :)

TheWarrior
December 22nd, 2004, 12:25 AM
This episode has been getting some mixed reviews, but I just found the story partially weak but the humour and action kinda made up for it.

Here are my favourite parts:

* Daniel acting partially like a baby and Jack's replies to his pleas.

* Hammond wanting to take the chair back to Wasington and then dening O'Neill's request to keep Daniel. Also Jack's face when Hammond says "Oh and I am taking Walter!" was good.

* Walter slowly moving the glass of water to Novak!

*Good to see Reynolds and SG-3 again, I am starting to warm up to the character Reynolds. Interesting to see him without his usual M16 type gun and using the P-90s.

*Daniel's reaction to when he realised he was going to be zatted again - how many times so far this season? 5th time so far isn't it!

* The Super Soldier coming onto him and Daniel's reaction!

*The fight between Daniel and Varla, the childish replies. "You hit me" - "well you hit me first!"

* General Hammond being the hero, and then when Reynolds rings him aboard and Novak says you have to give him mouth to mouth - the look on Reynolds face! Also Reynolds reaction to Hammond coming round - well done General for coming round.

* Walter having some fun flying the Alkehesh and firing the weapons - he was having a great time.

I am sure I missed a few other points off - but these were the funny and good parts of the episode. Can't wait for the 4th January when we get to see Maybourne again!

Albion
December 22nd, 2004, 12:47 AM
Okay, read everyone else's take now.

I think generally it would be a mistake to take anything Vala said at face value. Her whole thing was so obviously manipulation to get her own way. I thought the point was that her story about 'her people' being in trouble was all a pack of lies. She was nothing more than a smuggler/thief/opportunist who had been looking for a ship to steal to fulfill her end of the bargain with the aliens and buy the naqueda from them. So anything else she said about her people, being a host, etc etc, can be taken with a pinch of salt. It might be true. It might have been a sob story she hoped would soften Daniel towards her. I guess we'll find out when she reappears. But basically, for the time being, I think all bets are off as regards her history, who she is and where she comes from and nothing should be regarded as fact until we know more.

You know, having read the comments about her history and just written the above, I think I'm revising my earlier comment about her. Suddenly I'm a little more intrigued to find out than I was. Especially if the host part is correct. That might be interesting to find out more about....

I seem to have completely missed Walter's big comic moment! I'm going to have to go watch again and see him with that glass of water. Well, it's a good excuse to watch again. Not that I need one. :p

I, personally, noticed no channeling of RDA in this one. Daniel seemed perfectly himself to me. He's always been one to throw out a sarky one liner. In early seasons it tended to be mumbled from behind Jack's shoulder :p but he's gotten more open about it as time has gone by.

I agree, the fruitcake line was hilarious, but just one of many fun moments in this one that it'll be a joy and pleasure to watch again and again.

BTW, did anyone catch what it is Daniel yells at Vala when the Prometheus is under attack? She says let me out and I'll help you and he yells something back and she just smiles and shrugs? I played it back a few times but just couldn't make it out.

Albion :)

maia_arana
December 22nd, 2004, 01:02 AM
BTW, did anyone catch what it is Daniel yells at Vala when the Prometheus is under attack? She says let me out and I'll help you and he yells something back and she just smiles and shrugs? I played it back a few times but just couldn't make it out.


"you've gotta be kidding me!"

kodamawu
December 22nd, 2004, 01:09 AM
i think this season has really got to mark a new record on how LITTLE sg1 actually uses the stargate. i mean i thought this was an interesting ep, nothing that was like "OMG OMG THAT WAS SOOO GOOD" but still ok. i dunno i liked in the beginning, then it just sorta went downhill from there. i think the writers are just coming up with random stories now, lets steal the stargate, lets steal prometheus, lets steal carter, lets steal the asgard replicator weapon. i mean how about, lets step through the stargate, lets explore offworld, lets take a look at new planets... they just figured that what was making the series so successful for 7 years was all wrong and we should change up the formula now? i really don't have high hopes for season 9, i'm all for more stargatey goodness, but i think its time to give it up, because if they lose RDA, i doubt we'll see season 10.

Albion
December 22nd, 2004, 01:12 AM
Thanks, Maia Arana!! :thumbsup:

Albion :)

wingnut
December 22nd, 2004, 01:17 AM
Yeah, this one was a mixed bag. The good?

HAMMOND! Yes! Hammond rocks, and this show is the lesser without him. If RDA won't give the series any more time, Don Davis needs to be brought back, put in charge of SG1 and lead them through the Gate, on missions where they can collectively kick ass. Seriously George, you're missed.

Chevron Guy - nice humour. But I've seen him in past seasons wearing a name patch that said "Davis". When did he suddenly become "Harriman"?

Indiana Jackson. Sorry, Hans Olo! ROFL! What a long way he's come from being the geeky archaeologist.

The bad?

Claudia Black's character. Total pain in the mik'ta. If she's back in season 9, I won't be watching those ones.

Security on Prometheus - bit of a joke really.

Lack of SG1 team interaction, just like all season. SG1 isn't a team any more, it's a group of individuals whose paths occasionally cross. Have we actually seen Carter lead her team on a proper mission yet? I know things change, but for me, this ain't the show it once was.

Albion
December 22nd, 2004, 01:32 AM
But I've seen him in past seasons wearing a name patch that said "Davis". When did he suddenly become "Harriman"?

He became Harriman this season, when they finally worked out what to call him. :D

Previously, he'd been known as Norman Davis. Though I don't believe the Norman was ever heard or shown on screen, only used in scripts and in production meetings etc.

Then RDA, in an ad lib, called him Walter in 2010, so he was briefly Walter Davis. But that name didn't legally clear so they couldn't use it.

Gary Jones relates that he was then told he was called Harriman Davis...and that was the last that was officially heard I think before he materialised this season as Walter Harriman. So I guess they finally found a name everyone could live with. :p

Albion (who thinks Walter Harriman is a grand name...)

SEREN LWCH (MAL)
December 22nd, 2004, 02:06 AM
I was in stiches laughing at the intro to this episode. But I did not find the interaction between DJ and Vala funny. Was this what MS was doing while GEMINI was being filmed?

I really missed Teal'c and Sam. At least Teal'c could have saved DJ from a beating.

The parts I enjoyed were the scences with Hammond and the others.

Red_Rabbit
December 22nd, 2004, 02:09 AM
Ok I loved this ep, and can't wait to see more hammond, hopefully, and CB in season 9.

The one thing a lot of people were asking is why the shields died so quickly on the Prometheus, I think this is because of all the damage it took while sitting on the ground.

aAnubiSs
December 22nd, 2004, 02:49 AM
Ok I loved this ep, and can't wait to see more hammond, hopefully, and CB in season 9.

The one thing a lot of people were asking is why the shields died so quickly on the Prometheus, I think this is because of all the damage it took while sitting on the ground.
Yeah the hull damage must've damaged a battery which would've resulted in less backup power.

Albion
December 22nd, 2004, 03:42 AM
Okay, I'm back, having watched it a second time (and laughed almost as hard as I did first time around).

And got a couple of adjustments to make to my previous take.

First of all, the conversation between Daniel and Vala re. her being able to use Goa'ould technology because she had naquada in her blood from being a host had passed me by first time around and I only caught it this time. So it seems that the being a host part was true, at least. The rest is still up for debate I think.

Secondly...funnily enough, this time around I found Lyndsay Novak postively endearing. <g> And the hiccups thing was quite amusing rather than irksome. Go figure. I did like the way she suddenly yells out "Damn it to hell!" during the briefing and the way she lunges to beat Daniel to the elevator button. Both made me laugh. Also thought he was terribly sweet to her, in the elevator and later at the end when he notes she's lost her hiccups. <sigh> The boy is such a charmer.

So have to revise my opinion there - I chuckled this time around at the running joke of the hiccups - I think someone already mentioned when she says the bright side of them being dumped on the Alkesh is that her hiccups have stopped. I liked the fact that just after she says it she hiccups. LOL. And her stopping to hold her breath at Daniel's suggestion when the alarms go off and then her abrupt "Okay..." as she gives up when that doesn't work.

Actually, I'd like to see more of her. Especially since she's overcome that childhood stress thing and should be hiccup-free. :p TPTB, if you're listening? Transfer her to the SGC, quick. ;)

Got Walter moving the glass. LOL! He is cute.

Oh yeah and did anyone else almost choke when Walter took on Hammond's usual role to wish the General, 'God speed'? <sob>


Albion :)

Angel of Fire SG1
December 22nd, 2004, 03:45 AM
I actually really liked this episode. Wasn't looking forward to it really but it was hysterically funny

Loved how walter go to go ;)

I think I'm the only person who finds the hiccuping lady hysterically funny!? I loved her!! LOL!! And I love how Walter gives her the glass!! Only he could make that funny!! *dies of laughter*

I loved when Daniel was tied in the chair and Vala (in the super soldier suit) was hitting on him, now THAT was funny

Then they took the jokes a tad far

But *shrugs*

Oh...one more thing....the whole "having a female writer on the staff" comment I keep reading...that's so utterly and completely sexist

Just cos someone's female doesn't make them a more competant writer

And I'd like to see everyone who bags writers writing Stargate! Unless you can personally do better you have no right to critise

But on a lighter note, looking forward to the rest of season 8 immensly now!! :D

Blend
December 22nd, 2004, 03:56 AM
It was a good episode. I enjoyed the humour

Particularly telling daniel he was attractive in a kull warriors voice (?)

and daniel saying his name was Hans Olo

Well done, good to see Prometheus, good to see hammond

I liked prometheus's weapons, they appeared ot be rapid fire energy weapons?

Elwe Singollo
December 22nd, 2004, 05:08 AM
Ok I loved this ep, and can't wait to see more hammond, hopefully, and CB in season 9.

The one thing a lot of people were asking is why the shields died so quickly on the Prometheus, I think this is because of all the damage it took while sitting on the ground.I was thinking the samething, and that there were like 'a lot' of gliders attacking them, i saw at least 5-6, may not be 'a lot', but 5+ vs 1 is pretty scary.

As many have you said, i too have loved this episode, haha... My favorite part is a tie between the fight between Daniel and Vala and Vala ends up losing in the end (although imo, cheaply) and the part where a covered up Vala was telling a tied up Daniel that he was attractive.

tobias
December 22nd, 2004, 05:18 AM
I just loved this episode. It was one of the best in season 8 so far. Only Zero Hour can catch up with this one.

Thank you for doing something new again and bringing Claudia Black on the show. She and Michael really did a funny bit of acting in this episode. Looking forward to season 9 (because of Vala) at the moment.

Dani347
December 22nd, 2004, 05:18 AM
Oh...one more thing....the whole "having a female writer on the staff" comment I keep reading...that's so utterly and completely sexist

Just cos someone's female doesn't make them a more competant writer

And I'd like to see everyone who bags writers writing Stargate! Unless you can personally do better you have no right to critise




I'm guessing it isn't an issue of a female writing better, but a female having a better understanding of women.

And, I doubt every movie critic writes their own movies on the side, or every book reviewer has written a book. Gymantics and Figure Skating have commentators who criticize the moves of the athletes, and although the commentators are usually former athletes themselves, they can't do the current skills as well, and certainly not better than the ones competing, and they have a right to criticize, so I don't see why the writers of Stargate should be exempt.

aAnubiSs
December 22nd, 2004, 05:25 AM
I liked prometheus's weapons, they appeared ot be rapid fire energy weapons?

To me they looked just like regular Phalanx's or perhaps something bigger, but not energy weapons. "We're almost out of weapons" I find it hard to be out of ammo using energy weapons :)

Madeleine
December 22nd, 2004, 05:28 AM
The fight between the two of them was ridiculous, partly because there's no way Vala should have been able to beat up Daniel, not after 8 years of training.

Surprisingly it's actually *harder* sometimes to fight someone who's smaller and weaker than you. If the person you're fighting is larger then you give it your all, but if they're someone you know you can and should beat you tend to hold back so as not to accidentally kill them; but it's hard to judge it right. I know judo is not the same as a real fight, but I often take a heck of a lot longer to beat a good but small fighter than one who's nearly my sixe because it can take a while to get the measure of them. Even though Daniel's practiced fighting for eight years it's not unlikely that most of his practice would be against largish men, and if he went for Vala full throttle he could have killed her. I thought he was holding her off till he could get a restraining hold on or zat her. I truly thought he was in control.


And when you have to give someone CPR, you don't wrinkle up your nose in disgust and hesitate. Both Reynolds and Hammond (AND Damien Kindler!) are far beyond the 'ooh, cooties, he's a boy I can't put my lips on his!' age!

Granted. If that was how the scene was intended then it sucks. But I saw it as him being terribly nervous. CPR is pretty important and the person doing it would have had someone else's life in their hands. I'd be well scared, and I'd look around to see if anyone else looked more capable and confident than me before actually doing it, so that's how I saw that chap behaving onscreen. (Although shouldn't there have been a medic onboard?)

Still, those are minor points for me. I loved the ep.

somme
December 22nd, 2004, 07:22 AM
Great episode, more Vala please, she was hilarious. :)

Ace
December 22nd, 2004, 08:17 AM
Fantastic episode! This certainly ranks up there with Avatar as the two best episodes of the season. I had high hopes for this episode, and it certainly came through.

Alot more Hammond than I thought we would see, if they can continue to produce episodes like this I don't see why there shouldn't be several more seasons ahead of us! :D

Ace

keppiezbt
December 22nd, 2004, 08:32 AM
pleas,e one of you brits, spoil me...write a summary of the episode....a nice play by play, like you did with gemini

aAnubiSs
December 22nd, 2004, 08:36 AM
pleas,e one of you brits, spoil me...write a summary of the episode....a nice play by play, like you did with gemini
Ms. Piggy will soon arrive with the useless opinions.

Elite Anubis Guard
December 22nd, 2004, 08:41 AM
really funny episode, i enjoyed daniels reactions to her and i was pissing myself wen she was in the suit and chatting him up!

Dani347
December 22nd, 2004, 09:30 AM
Fantastic episode! This certainly ranks up there with Avatar as the two best episodes of the season.


Well, I hope my reaction is the same as yours, since I loved Avatar.

Mike
December 22nd, 2004, 09:36 AM
This episode was fantastic!

It had so many great moments. I loved Daniel's reaction to the super soldier coming onto him.

Great acting overall, the fight scene was a bit clumsy but I interpreted it to be kind of comical anyway.

Buzz Lightyear
December 22nd, 2004, 10:13 AM
And I'd like to see everyone who bags writers writing Stargate! Unless you can personally do better you have no right to critise


Exsqueeze me?

Everyone has a right to criticize. That's what makes us ALL critics.

Whether one can "personally do better" is irrelevant.

Of course, constructive criticism is always better, not just a vague "it sucked".

oldcelt1
December 22nd, 2004, 10:17 AM
Super episode! Claudia Black was great. Really looking forward to season 9, especially if the news about BB is correct. :D

Buzz Lightyear
December 22nd, 2004, 10:20 AM
Even though Daniel's practiced fighting for eight years it's not unlikely that most of his practice would be against largish men, and if he went for Vala full throttle he could have killed her. I thought he was holding her off till he could get a restraining hold on or zat her. I truly thought he was in control.

Why is everyone assuming that Daniel should have been able to wipe the floor with Vala?

People, he's an archeologist, and nothing he's done in the past 7-8 years has suggested he's acquired even a brown belt in martial arts. He's been trained in a few weapons, that's all. From the little we're shown of Vala, we can plausibly postulate she's at least got some good street brawling skills, having survived this long as a lying cheating smuggler/thief.

Ace
December 22nd, 2004, 10:50 AM
Well, I hope my reaction is the same as yours, since I loved Avatar.

If your anything like me, you'll throughly enjoy this episode. It was outstanding! :D



Why is everyone assuming that Daniel should have been able to wipe the floor with Vala?

People, he's an archeologist, and nothing he's done in the past 7-8 years has suggested he's acquired even a brown belt in martial arts. He's been trained in a few weapons, that's all. From the little we're shown of Vala, we can plausibly postulate she's at least got some good street brawling skills, having survived this long as a lying cheating smuggler/thief.

I agree, he wouldn't have invested his time into learning any kind of defense training. He would however have had to been trained in a few weapons, probably because the USAF forced him to. However he may have picked up a few or two from Teal'c?

Anybody remember the episode "Prisoners" from Season 2? He sure has come along way since then...

Ace

Dani347
December 22nd, 2004, 02:29 PM
Why is everyone assuming that Daniel should have been able to wipe the floor with Vala?

People, he's an archeologist, and nothing he's done in the past 7-8 years has suggested he's acquired even a brown belt in martial arts. He's been trained in a few weapons, that's all. From the little we're shown of Vala, we can plausibly postulate she's at least got some good street brawling skills, having survived this long as a lying cheating smuggler/thief.


Honestly, I have no idea if Daniel should have been able to wipe the floor with Vala. Although, I do find the emphasis on him being an archeologist funny. I'm sure there are archeologists who can handle themselves fine in a fight.

Dana_Jeanne
December 22nd, 2004, 02:42 PM
Oh...one more thing....the whole "having a female writer on the staff" comment I keep reading...that's so utterly and completely sexist

Just cos someone's female doesn't make them a more competant writer


I don't see it as sexist myself; so many of the episodes in the last couple years (and the DVD commentaries) seem to dwell on what I consider to be little boy humour-- like talking about farting, or hitting a man in the crotch. A female writer or producer would be able to give a woman's pov to things-- not everything has to be bathroom humour. It would balance things better. I don't think an all female writing staff would be any better than the all-male one we have now. It has nothing to do with competence, but everything to do with balance.

I think this would have been a better episode if the genders of the people putting it together had been mixed.

Dana Jeanne

Shipperahoy
December 22nd, 2004, 02:45 PM
I don't think it was a matter of him not being able to take Vala. I think he could have, easily. I think it was the whole it's a girl thing. But I don't really care because I was too busy laughing my self silly. Yes, the episode was quite high on the camp factor but I still enjoyed every silly second of it. Daniel, Daniel, and more Daniel. And not just that but funny Daniel.

kodamawu
December 22nd, 2004, 02:46 PM
Honestly, I have no idea if Daniel should have been able to wipe the floor with Vala. Although, I do find the emphasis on him being an archeologist funny. I'm sure there are archeologists who can handle themselves fine in a fight.
well he's not just an archaeologist though, i mean he travels around with a military unit, we've seen him in the gym, have you seen how ripped he is? he's far from scrawny, i'd say he could definitely take RDA in a real life fight (by real life i mean, not SG1 universe because Jack's military experience could easily turn the tide of the fight). let's not even go into amanda tapping, as far as christopher judge goes... i dunno...

Lunar
December 22nd, 2004, 02:48 PM
Having watched the ep again after a fun day's shopping, I liked it a little more the second time around. I think you have to watch it bearing in mind it's a 'funny' ep and that things that seem a little ooc or ott are there for the humour, which you may or may not share with the writers. Not one of my favourites, by any means, but it's not the *worst* ep I've ever seen.
I love the crazy smile thing Vala does when Daniel finally lets her out! But I did find it a bit ridiculous how easily she continually bested the SGC secutiry teams (but, hey, SG-1 do it all the time to the goa'uld, don't they!?) and the CPR with Hammond thing just made me cringe... It *was* funny, but I just found myself unable to suspend disbelief, watching an air force colonel struggle to bring his lips into contact with the lips of a supposedly dying man... I mean, his few seconds of panic could have cost Hammond his life... theoretically. I really didn't think there should have been any problem with him getting on with.
Meh.
Counting down the days to the next ep! :)

AsgardCarnage
December 22nd, 2004, 03:00 PM
i can't be;ive theye didn't get the naquida! maybe my brain is wierd difrently but as soon as i saw it i was thinking "get it get it get it" but meh

good ep, not the best of the season but kind of funny, i agree with most of you guys they were trying to hard, they might have to keep in mind next time less can be more.

as for the sexual stuff, it was funny kind of. to me it seemed more like she used the sexual suff to disarm her male oponents. like when she said "i wanted you to take my clothes off while i was consious so i could distract you and kick u in the head" after the first "i think your atractive" when daniel knew she was a women i think it was supposed to come off as she saw he was kind of uncomfortable by it so used it later to distract/disarm him.

aAnubiSs
December 22nd, 2004, 03:03 PM
I don't see it as sexist myself; so many of the episodes in the last couple years (and the DVD commentaries) seem to dwell on what I consider to be little boy humour-- like talking about farting, or hitting a man in the crotch. A female writer or producer would be able to give a woman's pov to things-- not everything has to be bathroom humour. It would balance things better. I don't think an all female writing staff would be any better than the all-male one we have now. It has nothing to do with competence, but everything to do with balance.

I think this would have been a better episode if the genders of the people putting it together had been mixed.

Dana Jeanne

*Cough* Male writers almost never write about hitting males in the crotch, mostly because most fights are male vs male, and males never hit other males in the crotch, if you'd been hit in the crotch you'd know why :)

Dana_Jeanne
December 22nd, 2004, 03:36 PM
*Cough* Male writers almost never write about hitting males in the crotch, mostly because most fights are male vs male, and males never hit other males in the crotch, if you'd been hit in the crotch you'd know why :)

:o My apologies.

I was kicked there once, back in Junior High, and while I'm a female and it hurt like you-know-what, I can only *imagine* how it must feel to a man.

Just my luck Damien Kindler isn't one of those 'almost never' dudes :D However, getting slammed with a fire extinguisher should have put the poor man out for the count, at the least, I would have thought.

:: ....DJ wonders if she's making every male on the forum squirm....::

Seriously, I'm hoping when this airs in the US and I see it on regular TV that I will like it more. I adored the beginning bit with Jack, Daniel and Hammond!

Dana Jeanne

Madeleine
December 22nd, 2004, 03:41 PM
Why is everyone assuming that Daniel should have been able to wipe the floor with Vala?

People, he's an archeologist, and nothing he's done in the past 7-8 years has suggested he's acquired even a brown belt in martial arts. He's been trained in a few weapons, that's all. From the little we're shown of Vala, we can plausibly postulate she's at least got some good street brawling skills, having survived this long as a lying cheating smuggler/thief.

I assume that Daniel could take Vala for two reasons:

First, I can't credit that Jack would allow Daniel offworld without him being trained. He'd have got some basic military training in s1 and would be expected to maintain his fitness and improve his combat skills over the years.

Secondly, I am a female somewhat sturdier than CB and almost certainly stronger. I have met MS and he's the same size as a couple of my judo partners. I can take them, cos I'm more skilled and experienced, but only if they play by the rules; judo grips and judo throws only. If they were to abandon the rules and start punching and taking whatever grip suited them I'd lose. It's the other way around when I fight the little teenage England Internationals, they beat me even though if it was a no-rule fight my strength and weight would win for me. What I was seeing was Daniel playing by rules and Vala not. Everything he did (other than the retaliatory and restrained punch in the face) was defensive until he was able to win without damaging her, and it put me in mind of how I fight against some of the nippy lithe chaps, letting them come at me and attackattackattack me, and then... sit on them :D


I love the crazy smile thing Vala does when Daniel finally lets her out!

Brilliant moment!

Kagutsuchi Ryoma
December 22nd, 2004, 03:44 PM
Maybe Daniel enjoyed "stripping" her a bit too much? :?

Hatcheter
December 22nd, 2004, 03:55 PM
This was a pretty entertaining episode. Not the best, but far from the worst. Some good looks at some of the characters; if not development, at least an examination of where they are now.

Daniel: He's come a long way from the geek who first went through the Stargate. He's spent eight years on an elite special forces combat team (save a year long sabatical to a higher plane ;)). It's only reasonable that he's picked up weapon and hand-to-hand combat skills. He's had Teal'c available to train him.

Hammond: Nice to see him get out "into the field". I hope all his appearances in the future are as good as this one. And we finally got to see his third star, it's now confirmed that he's a lieutenant general.

Walter: He's gotten more lines this season than seasons 1-7, I think. Hopefully that continues into season 9.

Reynolds: I like the character. It's about time that they had another SG team that appeared with some regularity. Maybe we'll find out that his team has saved the world too. Just once, though. Question: Is he Air Force ot a Marine?

Vala: Not really what I expected, but I think that's a good thing. With the terms she left on, it will be interesting to see how she'll reappear next season. Forget about a place on SG-1, the woman is essentially a space pirate. I'm thinking she'll become Daniel's Maybourne: he doesn't like her, but will be forced to work with her to accomplish some goal. Then try to stab her in the back before she can do it to him.

And a question about the Prometheus: We saw Vala studying a rack full of clear control crystals in the engine room, unlike the Goa'uld color coded ones. Has the earth begun to manufacture it's own crystal technology?

Ace
December 22nd, 2004, 03:56 PM
I still say that Teal'c taught him a thing or two

Ace

po134
December 22nd, 2004, 05:01 PM
BeWaRe Of SpOiLeR for This episode and for the news about S9 about that we'll see this ladie aigain.
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I read five minutes ago that the actress who stole the prometheus during this episode will return during 5 other episode in S9 [perhaps more ;)].
I didn't really catch her real motivation, was there really people to save ? Did she change de destination ? Did she just want to get some naquada for his 0wn ship ?

Who/what do you think will be the new ennemy ? Will we meet these crazy aliens we saw aigain ? we could trade with them [If they are treader, it must mean there is a lot of people we didn't met yet !!! (I know we don't know where they come from, but the ladie know and we'll saw her aigain)]

Why didn't they beam the naqua onboard ? [They must have fix their asgard beaming technology]
What will the ladie will do in the S9 episode ? will we save her people ? will we fight with her people ? (They also have a ship armada, with both armade we should be able to defend a planet). Was she entirely lying ? And if she was, why would she come back ?

So many questions, and the episode gives almost no answer :(

JackDaniels
December 22nd, 2004, 05:03 PM
Well. after watching the episode last night, i've watched it another 3 times now. I know this makes me sad to many, but i really enjoyed it, it was funny, a little camp, made up for the complete lack of MS in Gemini (they set up the episode at the start of Gemini, but did it take him a whole week to talk to Jack?), and gave us some Walter/Hammond action that indicates that they has actually become friends while all the teams were off world!

Still really likiing reynolds and sg-3 though they should be ashamed for letting her beat them so quickly *having said this though, you have to say that its dubious Daniel could've taken her when all of sg-3 couldn't.

I know people have been questioning the chemistry between CB and MS but i think it was there and although he looked initially confused i think he kinda liked it in the end (also couldn't help noticing that he had his glasses off in all his scenes with her, but put them back on when he was away from her)

He looked hot in the super soldier outfit BTW.

And finally, issues about the ship. I think the shields failed so easily because of all the hull damage done when they were on the ground. I also think the Asquard shields would be quite weak given the size of the ship, As for weapons, maybe they were all used up because Daniel is suck a suck shot (he may be buff no how to handle a P-90 and be able to fight, but a weapons expert he ain't.

Also, really love that fight because of its cheesiness, though the more i watch it the more i become convinced that Daniel and Vala's fight has been based upon Hugh Grant and Colin Firth's characters in Bridget Jones. (esp the part where they're pullong each others ears!)

keshou
December 22nd, 2004, 10:02 PM
Seems like people either loved this episode or hated it. I guess I fall in the "loved parts of it / hated parts of it" category.

Great beginning. Classic Jack & Daniel banter, Hammond taking back his chair and wandering off on the Prometheus with Daniel and Walter. :D

Novak. hmm....might have been kind of an amusing character but the hiccups got old very fast for me.

Enter Claudia Black in a scene reminiscent of the Crichton/Aeryn introduction on Farscape. Pretty funny and I was happy that once Vala took off the helmet I really wasn't reminded of Aeryn anymore.

The sexual innuendo / cat fight stuff was overdone. Worst part of the episode for me. Might have been better if it hadn't gone on so long. That part kind of made me think I was watching Andromeda or something. I don't expect that on Stargate.

After that I actually thought things got interesting again once we heard Vala's story. I think Daniel fell for it a little bit and it made for a nice twist when the Naquada scam was revealed. I'm thinking Vala's the one like Hans Solo. At least the Hans Solo from the first Star Wars movie.

And Yay - Hammond and Walter saved the day. Vala finds a plot hole and escapes to return in S9.

I found Vala intriguing. I like that we still don't know what her story is - how much was lies and how much was truth. I think there could be some interesting layers to explore in S9 and if they tone down some of the sex-kitten stuff (which I think was mostly bravado anyway) i think I could like this character a lot.

I also like that Daniel never fell for her in the romantic sense although I suspect he really wanted to believe her story about helping her people. Too bad she was lying. hehe. I liked their last interaction - Daniel zatting her before she could finish her sentence. :D

So this didn't feel like Stargate at times (kind of like Space Race) but it was fun. A few changes and it could have been great. Daniel didn't really seem like Daniel all the time either although I do like it when he's snarky. :)

"You're a fruitcake". :D

Albion
December 22nd, 2004, 10:11 PM
I really don't understand why people say Daniel couldn't do this or that. Just because we don't see something on screen, doesn't mean it never happened. You do have to fill in a few blanks here and there between times.

Like some other posters, it seems utterly implausible to me that Daniel wouldn't have gotten as much defensive training as possible over the years, in between missions. It's not just a question of Jack being able to trust that Daniel can look after himself in a fight (mostly), so he doesn't have to spend time saving his hide and being distracted in a firefight or hostile situation by looking out for him. But having a team member who can't at least halfway defend himself to the best that training can give him also puts the whole team at risk. Jack would do everything he could to train up Daniel in weapons and hand to hand over the years. It's a simple as being a good commanding officer and caring about Daniel's safety, as well as the team's.

As others have also pointed out, we've often seen Daniel in the gym and I'm sure that there must have been a few sparring sessions here and there with Teal'c. Why waste all that knowledge?

So I really don't have any problems with Daniel being a little more proficient with a gun these days (besides <shallow mode> he's pretty darn hot when he's running around blasting things :D ) or being a little more proactive in fighting. I think if he hadn't taken advantage of all that training on offer, given the dangerous situations he's faced over the years, he'd have to be a complete moron.

Logically, I can't think of a single reason why Daniel wouldn't have learned these skills over the years. And since we see the result of that training on screen these days - it must have taken place. QED.

Like I said in an earlier post, I did find the fight scene a little clumsy - but I realise it was intended to be and not to be really taken seriously. So it didn't bother me too much. Like the mouth to mouth hesitation - also made me frown because in the normal run of things I'd expect Reynolds and the others to be far too professional to act that way, as someone said, like schoolkids, but when you're doing a comedic episode like this you often get little details like these being stretched to the limits of credibility through poetic license. So, for me, these are all part and parcel of that style of episode. Not exactly perfectly correct for the characters, but not that way out of whack either.

And LOL re the fire extinguisher. Right on. I did find it slightly surprising that Daniel was still on his feet after being whacked between the legs with one. :p

Also agree about that manic grin from Vala - wonderfully funny.

Albion :)

Madeleine
December 22nd, 2004, 10:12 PM
...the sex-kitten stuff (which I think was mostly bravado anyway) ...

I think you're right, I think she was trying to use Feminine Wiles to get Daniel to lower his guard or help her steal the ship. And I don't think she's very practiced at Wiles - she might have observed her symbiote doing the 'have that boy washed and brought to my tent' thing - I'm sure symbiotes don't flirt - and consequently only know the most direct and unsubtle type of seduction. So her attempt at flirting was as subtle as a big unsubtle green elephant trying to do flower arranging. :D

keshou
December 22nd, 2004, 10:29 PM
I really don't understand why people say Daniel couldn't do this or that. Just because we don't see something on screen, doesn't mean it never happened. You do have to fill in a few blanks here and there between times.
I don't have any problem with Daniel being able to hold his own in a fight or being proficient with weapons. I think that's a logical development for the character. He's been in fights with all kinds of enemies and military tactics are bound to have rubbed off on him. And he's smart and a survivor. Well except all those times he's died. ;)

My main reason for saying Daniel didn't seem very "Daniely" was because at times his mannerisms and facial expressions and vocal tones seemed off. More like MS's perhaps? Maybe when I see it in January I'll have a different opinion. I admit the sound being out of synch with the mouth was throwing me off. ;)

I enjoyed it. It was fun. Just didn't always seem like I was always watching Daniel.

Chevron_nine
December 22nd, 2004, 11:24 PM
It seems to me a lot of people are taking this episode way too seriously, and that's why you can't enjoy it. I'm guessing those people have never watched Avenger 2.0, The Other Guys, Wormhole X-treme, Window of Opportunity or Urgo. This was just Season 8's comedic episode, and I must say that I loved it. I found hiccup lady to be hilarious. I don't know about you but when I get hiccups they annoy me like hell, so I can see how she's feeling. There are people who have chronic hiccup problems, so it's not so unbelievable.

There were soooo many scenes that had me LOLing, and most of them had already been listed so there's not point in me going through them.

"I am Olo, Hans Olo". That had me cracking up. It reminded me of Daniel's classic "Lo Tak Meka Satak Oz" line:)

It's not so hard to believe Prometheus was taken over by one person. After all she was wearing Super Soldier armor which is pretty much unstoppable, And she only had to disable about 15 people who were caught completely off guard.

The Prometheus wasn't attacked only by a few gliders, there were at least two Alkeshes, which can do some serious damage. Asgard technology isn't THAT much superior to goa'uld tech, as we saw in Revelations. With numbers the Goa'uld could probably take on the Asgard.

At this point TPTB had no idea there would be a season 9, and the episode probably wasn't written to introduce Vala as a recurring character, she was probably just intended as a one episode character and was written as such.
I had no problems with her. In season nine her character will probably be more than a sex-obsessed smuggler.
This got me thinking , what ever happened to Sarah Gardner? They could have used her for a few eps in season nine to fill the sam-gap.

And to those people who think stargate should go back to using the planet-of-the-week formula, I personally think "been there, done that." SG-1 has evolved and I'm loving the new changes. I would probably be getting bored if they stayed with the old formula. I prefer the long evolving story arcs, rather than the one-off episodes where SG-1 goes to a planet, solves some problem then goes home with very little story progression.

Jarnin
December 22nd, 2004, 11:39 PM
The Asgard hyper drive is installed, but it seems too slow.
When they get the distress call, Walter says the source of the signal is 50 lightyears off their designated route, and they can get there in 20 minutes. Considering that it's a distress call, they'd probably use their highest possible speed to get to the destination. Doing the math, that gives Prometheus a estimated top speed of ~150 lightyears an hour.

At that speed, it'd take them about 3 years to get to Pegasus.

Then again, traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, or so I've heard. It's possible that they're forced to travel at slower speeds within a galaxy due to all the stuff they could fly into. At this speed, it'd take them ~27 days to cross the galaxy, which is still pretty fast.
Once they got to the edge of the galaxy, they could ramp up the speed to whatever their top intergalactic speed is.


Overall, a very fun episode.

njsutorius
December 22nd, 2004, 11:49 PM
it really is pissin me off how so many of you people are accepting this crap they are feeding us.. teaser episodes that have no plots, and are missing half the cast and crew every other episode.. What happened to the real sg1 where we would go off world and explore and find cool stuff out, it makes me sad to say but i think they need to tie this off quick or drastic measures need to be taken to get this show back on track(been fine up until this season) THe worst thing that could happen to my favorite show period is pushing it farther then it can reach and in turn ruining all the goodness it has produced thus far.. on the up side at least atlantis is doign good..

Buzz Lightyear
December 22nd, 2004, 11:51 PM
well he's not just an archaeologist though, i mean he travels around with a military unit, we've seen him in the gym, have you seen how ripped he is? he's far from scrawny, i'd say he could definitely take RDA in a real life fight (by real life i mean, not SG1 universe because Jack's military experience could easily turn the tide of the fight). let's not even go into amanda tapping, as far as christopher judge goes... i dunno...

Being physically fit doesn't automatically make you a good fighter/brawler.

Of course anything is possible but within the context of the series, there has been nothing to support the hypothesis that Daniel can actually prevail against anyone who might actually have fighting credentials. Just because he travels within a military unit doesn't mean he has physical combatant skills. Have you seen all the scientists that go offworld on SG missions?

Buzz Lightyear
December 22nd, 2004, 11:53 PM
*Cough* Male writers almost never write about hitting males in the crotch, mostly because most fights are male vs male, and males never hit other males in the crotch, if you'd been hit in the crotch you'd know why :)

Hmm, you obviously haven't watched any Jean-Claude Van Damme movies. ;)

Buzz Lightyear
December 23rd, 2004, 12:08 AM
I assume that Daniel could take Vala for two reasons:

First, I can't credit that Jack would allow Daniel offworld without him being trained. He'd have got some basic military training in s1 and would be expected to maintain his fitness and improve his combat skills over the years.


That's a faulty assumption. Fitness yes, though that's obviously an individual thing. There are numerous other scientists who go on offworld missions who quite clearly are not all that buff (the "Other Guys" come to mind but there are other examples). Daniel got basic *weapons" training, like the P90, the handgun and the zat, not hand-to-hand combat, which would clearly be a waste of time. Not to mention that Daniel isn't military, just a civilian scientist working within the military. But even military non-combatant personnel only have rudimentary self-defense training.


Secondly, I am a female somewhat sturdier than CB and almost certainly stronger. I have met MS and he's the same size as a couple of my judo partners. I can take them, cos I'm more skilled and experienced, but only if they play by the rules; judo grips and judo throws only. If they were to abandon the rules and start punching and taking whatever grip suited them I'd lose. It's the other way around when I fight the little teenage England Internationals, they beat me even though if it was a no-rule fight my strength and weight would win for me. What I was seeing was Daniel playing by rules and Vala not. Everything he did (other than the retaliatory and restrained punch in the face) was defensive until he was able to win without damaging her, and it put me in mind of how I fight against some of the nippy lithe chaps, letting them come at me and attackattackattack me, and then... sit on them :D

What does size have to do with physical combat skills? Daniel Jackson clearly isn't a brawler and he doesn't like hitting women. That's really all I infer from his actions. Vala, OTOH, does look like she's toying with him. Anyone who can take out Jaffa squads and SG teams with ease isn't likely to have problems with Daniel. People who fight regularly, as seems likely with her character, can size up the skills of the opponent in short order. I'm sure she quickly determined that Daniel wasn't a threat and thought she would be able to charm any information out of him.

Hatcheter
December 23rd, 2004, 01:05 AM
That's a faulty assumption. Fitness yes, though that's obviously an individual thing. There are numerous other scientists who go on offworld missions who quite clearly are not all that buff (the "Other Guys" come to mind but there are other examples). Daniel got basic *weapons" training, like the P90, the handgun and the zat, not hand-to-hand combat, which would clearly be a waste of time. Not to mention that Daniel isn't military, just a civilian scientist working within the military. But even military non-combatant personnel only have rudimentary self-defense training.

He's a civilian scientist working in the most elite of elite units. The scientists in 'The Other Guys' were researches taken to a relatively safe location to conduct some research. Daniel goes right to were the action is the hottest. Maybe in the first few seasons he was "poorly trained", but by this point, he's become a warrior-scholar.




What does size have to do with physical combat skills? Daniel Jackson clearly isn't a brawler and he doesn't like hitting women. That's really all I infer from his actions. Vala, OTOH, does look like she's toying with him. Anyone who can take out Jaffa squads and SG teams with ease isn't likely to have problems with Daniel. People who fight regularly, as seems likely with her character, can size up the skills of the opponent in short order. I'm sure she quickly determined that Daniel wasn't a threat and thought she would be able to charm any information out of him.

I gotta agree. I do think Vala had control, more or less, throughout the fight. And, she didn't hesitate to fight dirty. I guess it was only fair that Daniel zatted her to end the fight.

Lunar
December 23rd, 2004, 01:59 AM
Hmm. I'd agree with the whole 'Daniel-trying-to-fight-fair' assumption... if it weren't for the fact that Vala was able to take out entire security teams *and* SG-3. I'm sure within that mix of military people there'd be quite a few who weren't at all worried about the 'rules' when it comes to fighting girls, or not killing her accidentally and were mostly concerned with fulfilling their mission. (ie, don't let the alien prisoner escape with a valuable alkesh!).

Madeleine
December 23rd, 2004, 02:35 AM
Daniel got basic *weapons" training, like the P90, the handgun and the zat, not hand-to-hand combat, which would clearly be a waste of time.

Clearly? I'd say that given the events of Prometheus Unbound (not to mention Prisoners, Homecoming, The First Ones and many more) it's very far from clear that Daniel learning how to fight would be a waste of time.

Crazedwraith
December 23rd, 2004, 03:16 AM
Nice episode.; I find it hard to beleive the crew of ship the size of the prometheus would fit on an Alkesh though.

Although I think all Star wars fans can be proud Han Solo Actually shot first this time :D

Daniel has been hanging around Jack WAY ytoo long :D

Major Clanger
December 23rd, 2004, 03:34 AM
Oh my.

I thought this was possibly the biggest pile of .... well, not quite as bad as Brief Candle but up there.

I have read better fic by mad teenage Mary Sue writers. Honestly.

Hammond??? Hello, no no no no no. No. He does not talk like that, and I find it extremely hard to believe that he would act (or be allowed to act) like that.

Daniel - got to love him (especially tied to a chair ;) )

And when did Chevron dude learn to fly a space ship? no no no no

As for the whole CPR thing.

Hiccough woman was too annoying.

Actually I could go on and on and on and on. I didn't actually mind the ep, and wouldn't switch it off if it accidentally turned up on my tv (not like Brief Candle) but I really can not imagine what the PTB thought they were doing with this one.

Deeply annoyed at having looked forward to my last ep for 2 weeks only to have this rehash of the fight scene from Blade Runner show up.

MagnoliaAnaglypta
December 23rd, 2004, 03:39 AM
The Asgard hyper drive is installed, but it seems too slow.
When they get the distress call, Walter says the source of the signal is 50 lightyears off their designated route, and they can get there in 20 minutes. Considering that it's a distress call, they'd probably use their highest possible speed to get to the destination. Doing the math, that gives Prometheus a estimated top speed of ~150 lightyears an hour.

At that speed, it'd take them about 3 years to get to Pegasus.

Then again, traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, or so I've heard. It's possible that they're forced to travel at slower speeds within a galaxy due to all the stuff they could fly into. At this speed, it'd take them ~27 days to cross the galaxy, which is still pretty fast.
Once they got to the edge of the galaxy, they could ramp up the speed to whatever their top intergalactic speed is.


.
You're making a questionable assumption. As you said, the distress call originated 50 lightyears off their designated route, NOT off their present position. Their designated route encompasses their entire path between where they started and where they were going to finish. What Walter was saying was that they did not have to deviate much from their planned flightpath, not that they were only 50 light years away from the source of the call.

Given the information that Walter provided, there is no way to extrapolate from that how fast the ship was capable of travelling.

MagnoliaAnaglypta
December 23rd, 2004, 03:48 AM
Clearly? I'd say that given the events of Prometheus Unbound (not to mention Prisoners, Homecoming, The First Ones and many more) it's very far from clear that Daniel learning how to fight would be a waste of time.
... and when it comes to the matter of him not being caught on the Prometheus in the first place, it seems quite clear that Daniel has extremely refined 'ducking' skills - considerably better than those of the other three crewmembers who accompanied him into engineering. His reaction was way quicker than thiers - no doubt a result of all those years on a first line unit.

I think people get way hung up on this 'he's only a civilian so they didn't train him' thing. It would have been in the interests of the rest of his team to make sure he WAS trained as far as he was able, and he's got three experts in various disciplines to impart their wisdom to him, even if on an informal basis. If you consider the 'training' that Jac was giving to Jonas 'on the job' in the beginning of the 6th season - there was one scene where he was making him load and reload a weapon over and over again until he was completely fluent at it. I'm sure that he would have done similar for Daniel. And if Teal'c can teach a civilian, non-Stargate project female his Jaffa fighting techniques then he can sure as hell spend some time making sure his valued teammate has appropriate skills for the missions they go on.

Tok'Ra Hostess
December 23rd, 2004, 04:21 AM
Just watched PU last night and....

At least I think it was Stargate.... Or was if Starscape?

Whatever... it was great fun! It had everything.

A true romp.

A Jack and Daniel and Hammond moment.

"And I'm taking Walter." hee, hee!

The Prometheus!

Battle of the sexes... or make that... battle of two sexy people of different genders... :p Great chemistry between those two, but MS's acting did remind me of the very few (first three) eps of BB in Farscape.

Hans Olo! :D :D :D

Jaffa (okay, dead ones, but Jaffa nonetheless)! Wierd aliens!

Hammond on a mission on a mission!

Reynold's "Good job waking up, Sir!"

The Hiccup genius!

Mention of the Tok'Ra, and a plausible explanation for why Sam seems so much smarter than a genius human should be.

Sam and Teal'c kick butt!

Oh, no, wait; back up... no Sam and Teal'c. No problem; the ep rocked anyway.

Markey2
December 23rd, 2004, 06:00 AM
Oh the wierd aliens were so wierd!!! They were actually aliens although reminded me of JaJaBinks from Star Wars. I really want to know more, where did Vala actually come from really, Weapons grade Naquadah?????? Aliens with Naquada we've never seen before?


Effects in this ep were class though. The Gliders attacking the prometheus and the terrain around it was incredible realistic I couldn't believe my eyes. The attacking ships were good as well. The second half of the season is going to be so much better of the season, especially considering the eps I though would be dodgy have been really good.

aAnubiSs
December 23rd, 2004, 06:30 AM
We saw weapons-grade naquadah 4 years ago...

po134
December 23rd, 2004, 08:29 AM
this forum begin to suck ...
first :
Board administrator don't let me start an another thread on an episode, they want me to put oin on a 10 pages topic that peoples won't even notice,
second:
people are saying "omg this can't happen on stargate" and debate things that WE DON'T CARE ABOUT ! a show has to change and like or not it will always be. you can't change the facts.
and after:
I was right, noone noticed my post that the board administrator moove here, I don't see the advantage of putting 1000 post in the same topic ... there should be little section for each episode, so that each question,comment about the episode could be find more more easily.

That was a great epuisode with too less story developpement, just top bad to have to wait an another half season to see her aigain ...

.:Lemon:.
December 23rd, 2004, 08:55 AM
I wasn't expecting too much from this episode, but it turned out that I enjoyed it :) I really like the character of Vala, who I was having doubts about before the episode aired, but I thought she was very funny :p No Sam or Teal'c and very limited Jack is the downside, but I thought it was a nice Daniel centred episode. Anyways, good ep. Some funny moments in there :D

Dani347
December 23rd, 2004, 09:00 AM
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT !

Obviously, we do care, or we wouldn't be debating.

I managed to see the episode, and I enjoyed it. Not quite as good as Avatar, but pretty good. I'd rate it between Avatar and Icon (and, I did like Icon).

Loved the Jack/Daniel scene in the beginning. And, Hammond/Daniel interaction. Hammond in general (no pun intended) was great, too.

Daniel looked so pleased when he was first coming on the Prometheus. Poor thing, he was so sure he was finally going to Atlantis.

Vala was interesting. I thought there was some small hints of Aeryn, but Vala was really way more open and younger seeming than Aeryn. I didn't see any signs of UST between her and Daniel. She just seemed to be doing everything, including sexual comments and kisses to keep Daniel off guard, and did a pretty good job.

Loved Daniel's panic when he thought a Super Soldier was coming on to him.

Vala's manic grin when he let her out of the brig was fun, too.

What I didn't like:

The fight. It was too silly. Daniel flying over the console? It just looked like something out of a silent film -overexaggerated. Also, the headbutt thing just looked silly. But, luckily it didn't last too long.

Novak (not sure what her rank or title is). It was like there was a neon sign on her "COMIC RELIEF!" I did like her cursing at the briefing before drinking the water, because that seemed a real reaction not some forced humor. And, she did a good job once she was on the Alkesh.

Interestingly enough, even though I liked it, I didn't find it laugh out loud funny. Maybe the parts that they highlighted to tell everyone that this was a comedy episode (the fight, hiccupping Novak) just didn't seem all that funny.


... and when it comes to the matter of him not being caught on the Prometheus in the first place, it seems quite clear that Daniel has extremely refined 'ducking' skills - considerably better than those of the other three crewmembers who accompanied him into engineering. His reaction was way quicker than thiers - no doubt a result of all those years on a first line unit.

Oh, I forgot this! Daniel is very good at ducking :D

somme
December 23rd, 2004, 09:13 AM
the CPR with Hammond thing just made me cringe... It *was* funny, but I just found myself unable to suspend disbelief, watching an air force colonel struggle to bring his lips into contact with the lips of a supposedly dying man... I mean, his few seconds of panic could have cost Hammond his life... theoretically. I really didn't think there should have been any problem with him getting on with.


That's the only thing that annoyed me about this episode. Didn't need to be there, if he didn't wanna do it Novak should of, or anyone else. Then he should have got court martialled,

Ugly Pig
December 23rd, 2004, 10:05 AM
Watched the ep last night, and typed this up afterwards... So although I didn't post it until today, this is pretty much my immediate reaction upon seeing it. Haven't read anything else posted on the forum since the episode aired.


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Prometheus Unbound'

This episode started out very good. I really loved the teaser, with Jack and Daniel arguing (with a nice tie-in to last week's episode, as well as to Atlantis), the reveal of General Hammond in Jack's office, the exchange about the chair and the upcoming mission. I laughed out loud several times during those couple of minutes alone, and it got me pretty excited about the rest of the episode fairly fast.

And the rest of the episode did have many strong points. Hammond in action, cool space action, fun moments between Daniel and Vala (loved it when she's just kicked his ass and thinks he's out, sits down comfortably and gets zatted from off-camera Daniel), an overall feeling of weirdness (or is that just me?) not common in the Stargate universe and some aliens we haven't seen before.

An enjoyable hour of entertainment, to be sure. But at the end of it, I was left wondering; what was the point? Okay, so she obviously lied about the whole rescue-mission thing. Was she only after the Naquahdah? What about her ability to use Goa'uld technology? Was she telling the truth about having been a host previously? We never find out, as she escapes at the end, avoiding any questioning. What was this episode about? Was it intended to introduce the character in the hopes that we'll see her again? Or was it just about showing Daniel and Vala kicking the crap out of each other, plus some cool space action, with no real point to it? I'm not really complaining here, I'm just wondering if there is something I didn't get.

Random observations!
- The ring transporters transmit matter both ways simultaneously, unlike the stargates. While this was established way back in the original movie, it has not been shown in the series and I have heard people argue that it had been changed for SG-1. Obviously, it hasn't.
- Is Vala the first character on the show to actually utter the words "have sex" when coming on to someone? Seems like most people on Stargate just aren't straight-forward enough to use those actual words.
- Teal'c and Sam were no-where to be seen in this episode at all. It's official: No regular cast member have now appeared in every episode of the series, even if you count the flashbacks in the clip shows.

Dani347
December 23rd, 2004, 10:19 AM
An enjoyable hour of entertainment, to be sure. But at the end of it, I was left wondering; what was the point? Okay, so she obviously lied about the whole rescue-mission thing. Was she only after the Naquahdah? What about her ability to use Goa'uld technology? Was she telling the truth about having been a host previously? We never find out, as she escapes at the end, avoiding any questioning. What was this episode about? Was it intended to introduce the character in the hopes that we'll see her again? Or was it just about showing Daniel and Vala kicking the crap out of each other, plus some cool space action, with no real point to it? I'm not really complaining here, I'm just wondering if there is something I didn't get.




I'm wondering if they didn't always have some plan to revisit this story, even before they hired CB to do more episodes. Even just a mention of it to at least start to tie up loose ends.

ETA: I forgot to mention Daniel punching Vala in the face. Kind of mean, since it wasn't in the midst of the fight. I could see if he was defending himself, but it just seemed like, "Okay, that's it. I'm not taking this sh*t anymore."

DetriusXii
December 23rd, 2004, 10:43 AM
Is there any explanation as to why the anti-supersoldier weapon didn't work? Would regular gun fire have worked on her while she was wearing the suit?

keshou
December 23rd, 2004, 10:45 AM
An enjoyable hour of entertainment, to be sure. But at the end of it, I was left wondering; what was the point? Okay, so she obviously lied about the whole rescue-mission thing. Was she only after the Naquahdah? What about her ability to use Goa'uld technology? Was she telling the truth about having been a host previously? We never find out, as she escapes at the end, avoiding any questioning. What was this episode about? Was it intended to introduce the character in the hopes that we'll see her again? Or was it just about showing Daniel and Vala kicking the crap out of each other, plus some cool space action, with no real point to it?
It reminded me of Aris Boch's introduction. I kept thinking we'd see him again because he was such an interesting character. You never knew how much of his story was true and it just seemed ripe for a follow-up episode. But nope -never saw him again.

I know they were talking about bringing Vala back as soon as they shot the episode but that was only going to happen if they got another season. Which of course is happening.

Otherwise, I think it was just intended to be a fun romp with Daniel facing a woman who was a total "fruitcake" and him living to tell the tale. Nothing explained. Just one of those random nutjobs you run across that messes up your day and you never hear from again. Kind of like that woman (ETA: her name was Vash) Captain Picard ran into on his vacation on Risa. She was kind of a con woman who reminded me a little of Vala. Without the cat fight of course.


Is Vala the first character on the show to actually utter the words "have sex" when coming on to someone? Seems like most people on Stargate just aren't straight-forward enough to use those actual words.
Now that you mention it, I think you're right. Poor Daniel. Hearing the word is as close as he's been in awhile. ;)


- Teal'c and Sam were no-where to be seen in this episode at all. It's official: No regular cast member have now appeared in every episode of the series, even if you count the flashbacks in the clip shows.
Hmmm. Yet another fun factoid. The Stargate hasn't even appeared in every episode.

Markey2
December 23rd, 2004, 10:55 AM
My "weapons grade naquadah" comment was more of, why did Vala want it? I know it was on the show ages ago and it's Sam's term for the useful Naquadah but why did Vala want it? For a ship? There was a lot of it as well. Think back to season 4. One small little Block was really heavy and really valuable it seemed, and they've got a whole honking crate full of it. I really want to know stuff about Vala's race and the weird Aliens because we know and knew nothing about them.

Lack of all of SG-1 seemed almost horrific. When the other team ringed to the Alkash and poked around that should have been SG-1!! I thought, that should have been Sam, Teal'c, Jack and Daniel, but as is the standard with S8 SG-1 it's as little of the SG-1 team as possible.

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2004, 12:31 PM
i sort of enjoyed it, despite some of the glaring mistakes

in upgrades, a couple of bricks of weapons grade naqahdan took two jaffa to carry it, but these dudes lug a whole box full....unlesss they're just super strong

daniel put vala's BOOTS on??? oh please, trust me it ain't easy to dress an unconscious person. this is about as bad as in the light when a dying daniel was dressed, down to his boots to be lugged through the gate.

vala zatted the whole crew???? dang, i thought promie need a crew of several dozen to hundred (we saw quite a few in forsaken)

i find it hard to believe she got them all.

but, even despite that, it was kinda fun. the lines were funny adn the dialogue snappy even though i do think that shanks was trying to act like crichton and play the irreverant action hero

I liked doctor hiccup and it was nice to see reynolds....and especially nice to see hammond again. dang, that man has slimmed down LOT

Vala did seem a rather obvious set up and the episode was a clear filler....just tinged with a bit of continuity to keep it from being so glaringly obviuosly a filler

If the first 5 eps of s9 are like this, they won't be the massive stinkers they could be, and i would rather have that than 5 episodes like Life Boat or Icon....but 5 hours of irreverant romp are going to be a bit too long, IMHO.

Heck, the way those two whack at each other i doubt they'll both surivive it :)

NOt the worst, and a nice break from past daniel episodes that have left me distinctly cold and reaching for the remote, but i really wish they'd find a way to do something odd like having ALL the cast members in an episode here and there.

po134
December 23rd, 2004, 12:51 PM
Is there any explanation as to why the anti-supersoldier weapon didn't work? Would regular gun fire have worked on her while she was wearing the suit?

Are you kidding me ? She wasn't a super soldier ! So it was ineffective ... it was normal ! Just watch the episode aigain man you missed a lot ;)
I think they weren't enough aboard the ship, one or 2 douzens perhaps ?And they want to rescue a 40-50 people team ? Damn ...
I also noticed that the other people onboard didn't shoot her because she was wearing a Super-Soldier suit, so they knew their weapons would be inefective aigainst him (her :P). That's why they lost aigainst her.

miss piggy: But Their Arguments aren't even arguments ... they just talk about their feelings so there is no debate at all ! that's why we don't care. :rolleyes:

Crazedwraith
December 23rd, 2004, 12:53 PM
Is there any explanation as to why the anti-supersoldier weapon didn't work? Would regular gun fire have worked on her while she was wearing the suit?


THe Kull disruptor works bu nullifing the Anicent fountain of life force that enables the biological part of the super-soldier to live. Vala's anot a Kull and was given life via the usual method rather than being grown and zapped.

Dani347
December 23rd, 2004, 02:22 PM
daniel put vala's BOOTS on??

Okay, for a second I thought you were saying he wore Vala's boots. :rolleyes:

JackDaniels
December 23rd, 2004, 02:53 PM
And the rest of the episode did have many strong points. Hammond in action, cool space action, fun moments between Daniel and Vala (loved it when she's just kicked his ass and thinks he's out, sits down comfortably and gets zatted from off-camera Daniel), an overall feeling of weirdness (or is that just me?) not common in the Stargate universe and some aliens we haven't seen before.

I liked that we had some different aliens for once, and I can't remeber who said it now (sorry or I would have quoted your name) but they did remind me of ja-ja Binx. My only problem with these aliens was Daniel's apparent disrespect for these "non-human" life forms. How did he really know that these weren't Vala's people (they could have been a mixed race like those from 'Foresaken'.


An enjoyable hour of entertainment, to be sure. But at the end of it, I was left wondering; what was the point? Okay, so she obviously lied about the whole rescue-mission thing. Was she only after the Naquahdah? What about her ability to use Goa'uld technology? Was she telling the truth about having been a host previously? We never find out, as she escapes at the end, avoiding any questioning. What was this episode about? Was it intended to introduce the character in the hopes that we'll see her again? Or was it just about showing Daniel and Vala kicking the crap out of each other, plus some cool space action, with no real point to it? I'm not really complaining here, I'm just wondering if there is something I didn't get.

Initially I wondered the point of the episode in many ways, though, just like Home, it showed the difficulties they were inevitably facing in making contact with the Atlantis team (and keeps us holding our breath for a cross over episode or two!). I also belive though, that at the end when Vala was asking Daniel what he was going to do with her, she said that she was going to tell him something and he zatted her, preseumably because he was pissed that she'd lied (though also possibly because he didn't want the others to see that someone had gotten under his skin). I think she was going to tell him her real plan, which was most likely the use of the naquadah for weapons or as a trade for the protection of her people, or a way for them to build a viable city. Though they didn't know there would eb a season 9 at this point, this episode was filmed after the mid season hiatus, therefore TPTB may have been pretty certain that a season 9 would be secured. If you read the spoilers for Prometheus Unbound from various places you would notice that the premise and action of the episode changed quite a bit from its initial outline. This may have been to provide a more human link for Daniel (as Hammond was initally supposed to be stranded on the ship with him) and to provide a way to bring Vala back, by making her necessarily ambiguous (as its no fun if you find out everything about a character straight away!)

I see I'm still trying to fully show my approval off this episode. I loved it, and appreciated its light-hearted nature.

I will also add one thing however, I know there has been a lot of discussion on Daniel and his ability to fight, and I think he was more capable than he showed. Vala indicated several times that her greatest weapon is her sexuality, and this probably helps her prevail in a lot of fights, along with being sneaky and wearing super-soldier armour. I think Daniel is too much of a gentleman to fight a woman properly (he's a traditionalist). We know he's had extensive gun training (he has gone from using a simple handgun to a P-90 and this ain't an easy weapon to master. And whilst his hand to hand skills have never ben shown to any full extent, it would be hard to accept thathe had none, especially being on a front-line unit (he took a lot of stick in the past for being a civillian scientist on a military unit, and I would find it difficult to accept that a man like Daniel would not wish to do something about it). You saw briefly in Icon, Endgame and Avatar that Daniel can fight hand to hand - though it wasn't his best display in Endgame, when he did less damage than sam who had her hands tied behind her back!) Nonetheless, i think all of the team have such a tight bond that they would train together and work together. Daniel may not be military officially, but hew's certainly absorbed a lot of the culture over the years.

As a final note, I would like to say I felt for Reynolds, even when you know nouth to mouth is a necessary thing, you may grimace for a second (an i really expected Walter to dive in to try. I also want to express my appreciation to the writers for giving us another episode where Hammond get sto do something action related. He watched those teams go through the gate for seven years, and did very little gate travel himself. He wanted to do something, so he did. This also sets us up for the greater possibility of Jack going through the gate. Hammond showed hisregret at not being able to do it more, and now, as head of homeworld securities, he can do whatever he wants - the same will apply to Jack at the SGC. I wanna see him off world!

Rant over. I hope some of this came off as contructive.

As a final note, I'm in the middle of writing a transcript for the episode if anyone is interested, I hope to have it finished by tomorrow. And then I'm going to watch episodes 1-12 of season 8 all in one go!

Watters87
December 23rd, 2004, 02:56 PM
Is Hammond a Lieutenant General now? I could have sworn I saw three stars.

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2004, 03:14 PM
Is Hammond a Lieutenant General now? I could have sworn I saw three stars.

yep, he's a lt general


i do think, in a way, this was a lot like space race, just without the annoying announcers

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2004, 05:17 PM
Okay, for a second I thought you were saying he wore Vala's boots. :rolleyes:


lol
no, he's not wearing them. but those boots are hard enough for a person to put on themselves, it'd be dang difficult to put on an unconscious person, and lace up. especially when you have no idea how long they'll be unconscious

to me, it would have made more sense had he dressed her and left her there barefoot, with the boots to the side

Tok'Ra Hostess
December 23rd, 2004, 06:28 PM
I just bet Vala stole that Kull armor from Jacob. :D

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2004, 06:38 PM
I just bet Vala stole that Kull armor from Jacob. :D

lol, the super duper altered version

actually, tha'ts another oops. Your average super soldier is 7 feet tall...as is dan payne who plays them....yet not only did thoth not seem to notice that Jacob got stuck in the shrink cycle, but they glossed over jacob fitting into the armor, which now fits claudia AND daniel

so they're the super duper mini soldier ;)

SP90
December 23rd, 2004, 07:11 PM
I just have one question, when did Walter find time to learn how to fly an Al'Kesh? Hes been sitting inside the SGC for 7 1/2 years dialing the gate. It's not that I mind but it seems so out of place seeing him fly that Al'Kesh into a dogfight. If I'm not mistaken, he was flying the Prometheus too. (seat on the right of the command chair is helm?)

Go Walter! Maybe now he'll get some more field time, possibly get transfered to a F-302 squadron.

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2004, 07:30 PM
I just have one question, when did Walter find time to learn how to fly an Al'Kesh? Hes been sitting inside the SGC for 7 1/2 years dialing the gate. It's not that I mind but it seems so out of place seeing him fly that Al'Kesh into a dogfight. If I'm not mistaken, he was flying the Prometheus too. (seat on the right of the command chair is helm?)

Go Walter! Maybe now he'll get some more field time, possibly get transfered to a F-302 squadron.


mmhm, good point.

maybe they have alkash simulators at the sgc???

ooh, did anyone else crack up at reynold's balking at giving hammy mouth to mouth??

ooh, and another question, my version of the show didn't show hammond on the teltac. was that just missing or did they not show the general going to get the crystals?

aAnubiSs
December 23rd, 2004, 09:13 PM
mmhm, good point.

maybe they have alkash simulators at the sgc???

ooh, did anyone else crack up at reynold's balking at giving hammy mouth to mouth??

ooh, and another question, my version of the show didn't show hammond on the teltac. was that just missing or did they not show the general going to get the crystals?
The VCD rip was flawed :) Had a few skips in it, the whole "god speed" scene and Hammond on the Tel'tac. Fixed in the Xvid.

Don't bust me for talking filesharing now :)

Albion
December 23rd, 2004, 10:54 PM
I also belive though, that at the end when Vala was asking Daniel what he was going to do with her, she said that she was going to tell him something and he zatted her, preseumably because he was pissed that she'd lied (though also possibly because he didn't want the others to see that someone had gotten under his skin).

I assumed that she was going for the traditional, cliched, "Look, Daniel, I know we've been enemies and all, but truthfully? I really do like you and I was just fooling around, I'd never, ever have really hurt you blah blah..." in an attempt to save her butt now that she was captured and it was game over. An appeal to his sympathies in order to reduce whatever punishment was coming her way. This is the cliche for most TV characters in this situation. The villain always tries this one at least once. Especially if the protagonists are of the opposite sex.

So, my take would be, Daniel zatted her because he just wasn't prepared to listen to that crap, because he knew she was lying, it was just another attempt at manipulating him, and just one more of her tricks to get herself out of trouble. Hence the eyerolling and shaking of the head after he zatted her - as though he couldn't believe she'd actually tried that one on him after all she'd done and did she really think he was that dumb and naive?

Albion :)

dove0709
December 24th, 2004, 12:51 AM
Guess whether you like this one depends on your sense of humour. Well it wasnt my type of humour and I found it almost embarrassing in places.

Never seen CB before, but sorry I thought her acting was poor and it rubbed of on MS, who seemed to spend most the episode pulling funny faces.

Even Hammond didnt seem in character to me ...he was far too 'jolly' at the start.

Only good point was seeing DSD looking so well.

Kalliope
December 24th, 2004, 01:12 AM
Vala rocks!!! :D I'm a huge Claudia Black's fan (discovered her on Farscape over 4 years ago) and I think she is great in "Prometheus...". I can hardly wait for the next Vala/Daniel's meeting in Season 9.

Crazedwraith
December 24th, 2004, 03:22 AM
ooh, did anyone else crack up at reynold's balking at giving hammy mouth to mouth??Actually that annoyed me, surely Reynolds is more professional than that. I really can't see him refuse to save someones life just because of some mild homosexual overtones to the method of doing it.


ooh, and another question, my version of the show didn't show hammond on the teltac. was that just missing or did they not show the general going to get the crystals?
Your version was missing it.Aldso did anyone else notice the dual way nature of he rings in this episode? When hammond ringed over the crystals Reyonalds ring over to the Al'kesh to get him. First time i thing we've seen the rings do this on SG-1 (But it was a major thing in the movie)

meimei
December 24th, 2004, 05:18 AM
I assumed that she was going for the traditional, cliched, "Look, Daniel, I know we've been enemies and all, but truthfully? I really do like you and I was just fooling around, I'd never, ever have really hurt you blah blah..." in an attempt to save her butt now that she was captured and it was game over. An appeal to his sympathies in order to reduce whatever punishment was coming her way. This is the cliche for most TV characters in this situation. The villain always tries this one at least once. Especially if the protagonists are of the opposite sex.

So, my take would be, Daniel zatted her because he just wasn't prepared to listen to that crap, because he knew she was lying, it was just another attempt at manipulating him, and just one more of her tricks to get herself out of trouble. Hence the eyerolling and shaking of the head after he zatted her - as though he couldn't believe she'd actually tried that one on him after all she'd done and did she really think he was that dumb and naive?

Albion :)
I took it the same way. I thought that she was going to pull something and Daniel didn't want to deal with it. He had started out going to Atlantis and ended up fighting his own little war and didn't feel like putting up with anymore of her bs, so he zatted her.

Boy, one of those things could come in real handy with psycho ex-bf....

Tok'Ra Hostess
December 24th, 2004, 05:57 AM
I assumed that she was going for the traditional, cliched, "Look, Daniel, I know we've been enemies and all, but truthfully? I really do like you and I was just fooling around, I'd never, ever have really hurt you blah blah..." in an attempt to save her butt now that she was captured and it was game over. An appeal to his sympathies in order to reduce whatever punishment was coming her way. This is the cliche for most TV characters in this situation. The villain always tries this one at least once. Especially if the protagonists are of the opposite sex.

So, my take would be, Daniel zatted her because he just wasn't prepared to listen to that crap, because he knew she was lying, it was just another attempt at manipulating him, and just one more of her tricks to get herself out of trouble. Hence the eyerolling and shaking of the head after he zatted her - as though he couldn't believe she'd actually tried that one on him after all she'd done and did she really think he was that dumb and naive?

Albion :)

<nods> That's how I saw it, too.

I really do like Vala. She very much reminds me of Jack. Maybe that's why I saw great chemistry between her and Daniel. She's had a (quite literally) tortured past and she deals with it through sexy wit and fisticuffs. And I imagine she was quite the rascal long before she was taken as a host. ;)

Skydiver
December 24th, 2004, 08:17 AM
<nods> That's how I saw it, too.

I really do like Vala. She very much reminds me of Jack. Maybe that's why I saw great chemistry between her and Daniel. She's had a (quite literally) tortured past and she deals with it through sexy wit and fisticuffs. And I imagine she was quite the rascal long before she was taken as a host. ;)


if the story's true. for all we know, she made it up to get sympathy

she does show some promise as a character. at least she's no shy retiring mouse of a character and the humor was one thing that made the episode interesting

keshou
December 24th, 2004, 08:21 AM
Actually that annoyed me, surely Reynolds is more professional than that. I really can't see him refuse to save someones life just because of some mild homosexual overtones to the method of doing it.

If this hadn't been established as a comedic episode that would have been a horrible scene. As it was I just kind of rolled my eyes at it. I think they could have left that one out. Of course I didn't know why Hammy was passed out since I also missed the scene where Hammond went and took the crystals. :)

I watched this episode again and enjoyed it a lot more the second time around. Hiccup girl didn't get as old (although I still hate that scene where she says "damn it to hell" and dives under the table). Novak is actually kind of an entertaining character. The cat fight was still cringeworthy but it seemed to go faster the second time around.

I also just ignored all the "this doesn't seem like Daniel" stuff that kept cropping up in my head and went with it. If I view it as MS homaging Crichton or Hans Solo it's all pretty funny. Having some wine while you watch this episode helps a lot! :D



So, my take would be, Daniel zatted her because he just wasn't prepared to listen to that crap, because he knew she was lying, it was just another attempt at manipulating him, and just one more of her tricks to get herself out of trouble. Hence the eyerolling and shaking of the head after he zatted her - as though he couldn't believe she'd actually tried that one on him after all she'd done and did she really think he was that dumb and naive?
*nods head* That's what I thought too. Daniel just got her to unlock the codes and he wasn't taking any chances that she had another trick up her sleeve. And of course she has plenty of tricks, judging by her ability to escape at the end of the episode.


THe Kull disruptor works bu nullifing the Anicent fountain of life force that enables the biological part of the super-soldier to live. Vala's anot a Kull and was given life via the usual method rather than being grown and zapped.
Oh, okay. I was wondering if that suit was stolen by Vala from one of Ba'al's Kull soldiers and perhaps Ba'al had found a way to nullify the Kull disruptor.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Vala back. I think it could be a fun 5-story arc if they really flesh out her character. I'd sure like to know her real story. I'm also not so concerned that they're going to try and recreate the John/Aeryn romance using Vala/BB's character (wish they'd name this guy!!). I really can't see that after seeing Vala's character. I'd be surprised if Daniel or new guy fall for her in any real way.

Ace
December 24th, 2004, 11:23 AM
Actually that annoyed me, surely Reynolds is more professional than that. I really can't see him refuse to save someones life just because of some mild homosexual overtones to the method of doing it.

Reynolds obviously wasn't refusing to save Hammonds life, as he was inches away from giving mouth to mouth when Hammond woke up. I think what everyone is missing here is that these two gentlemen are MILITARY! It would certainly be a bit ackward, thus making you pause for a moment, to give CPR to a three star general.

There are rules in the military, like why Jack&Sam can't be together, that prohibit such things. Obviously not giving a man who is unconscious CPR, but it would certainly make you think twice. Especially somebody of Hammond's stature.

I guess what I'm trying to say is give the man a break, he hesistated. He didn't refuse, he hesistated and was rather excited when the General woke up by himself. As I'm sure many of us would have been, had we been in the same situation. ;)

Ace

Skydiver
December 24th, 2004, 11:42 AM
any digs at homophobia aside, most men balk at basically frenching another man.....especially when that other man is thier boss

I can see jack reacting the same way if it were teal'c or daniel who needed teh mouth to mouth...sam for that matter too. remember how he sorta cringed in foothold at the idea of digging under janet's shirt to get the imager?

Elitenova
December 24th, 2004, 12:14 PM
I like the episode, it was funny.

Dani347
December 24th, 2004, 12:36 PM
any digs at homophobia aside, most men balk at basically frenching another man.....especially when that other man is thier boss

I can see jack reacting the same way if it were teal'c or daniel who needed teh mouth to mouth...sam for that matter too. remember how he sorta cringed in foothold at the idea of digging under janet's shirt to get the imager?


Well, he wasn't frenching Hammond (and I doubt if he had been written like a soldier he would have thought of that, even if his mouth did come in contact with -Jaws music- another man!!!) he was doing mouth to mouth. Are most men really that juvenile and silly? Especially when the man is their boss?

"If I don't do this, my boss might die, but eww! I have to put my mouth on his!" What was he afraid that Walter and Dr. Novak were going to say he had cooties?

And, Jack hesitating to open Janet's shirt was different. He wasn't hesitating at performing a life saving procedure on her.

I would hope that even in his dumbest moments of cosmic giddiness, Jack would be able to differentiate between CPR and kissing someone. And, act like a soldier. I would have expected it of Reynolds. Heck, not even a soldier, but someone with the maturity of an adult. They are adults, aren't they? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I can't believe that in all the time that these SG teams have been going off world, facing enemies, etc, the need to do mouth to mouth has never come up before. And, seeing as there are probably more men per team than women, the odds of a man having to give another man mouth to mouth are probably pretty good.

And, do people really see homosexual overtones in mouth to mouth? I would think sex or physical attraction would be the last thing on anyone's mind in that situation. It wasn't like they were doing a Madonna/Britney for crying out loud! Wouldn't the thought that someone could die pretty much cancel out anything else?

keshou
December 24th, 2004, 12:38 PM
any digs at homophobia aside, most men balk at basically frenching another man.....especially when that other man is thier boss

I didn't think it was homophobic - just a little silly. They were trying to go for humor in this episode and this potentially dramatic moment was transformed into a less-than-serious scene because of Reynold's balking at giving ole Gen.Hammond mouth-to-mouth.

If it had been a serious episode where Hammond might be close to death -- Well then those comedic hesitations and grimaces and eye-rolls between Reynolds and Novak and the other guy would have been out-of-place. As a viewer I'd think most of the SGC teams would be trained in CPR and first aid and wouldn't hesitate in responding to situations like that.

In an episode played for laughs it was okay. I didn't think it was hysterically funny but probably some did, I guess. I mean we just had Daniel hit in the family jewels with a fire extinguisher. ;) They weren't trying to homage ER here.

kaz
December 24th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Sorry I agree, I have to say I laughed in 2 places, and then cringed for the rest, what a sorry way for a great show to go.

They could have at least let Sg-1 go out with a bang rather than limping pathetically to a close with leads from another recent and as successful sifi taking over the reigns....says it all pathetic

ps, I am ashamed to be saying that since I love sg-1 and think Atlantis is awesome but come on guys, think less on money on more on reputations here, please !! :( :( :eek: :S



The good:

1. General Hammond!! I really enjoyed his dialogue in this ep. Playing Jack at his own game. :)
2. Daniel. Brilliant in this ep! Funny and well in character.
3. Walter got to play the hero! Hoorah!

The bad:
1. Unfunny comedy with Novak. Those hiccoughs smacked of a joke gone wrong... :(
2. VALA. Crikey. s9 this woman is supposed to sustain my interest for 5 eps in season 9?! I'm sorry, I found her vapid, sex-crazed and unengaging. Were all those sex/naked jokes really necessary? I'll admit to cracking up over the first one when Daniel thought she was a super soldier... but fcol! Did anyone else find themselves cringing when she tried to strangle Daniel with her THIGHS! NOT one of my favourite eps of this season, which is a crying shame. Daniel deserved better, his character felt wasted in this cardboard-flimsy, trying-too-hard-to-be-funny plot.
Just MO, of course, feel free to challenge! :)

Skydiver
December 24th, 2004, 04:11 PM
I didn't think it was homophobic - just a little silly. They were trying to go for humor in this episode and this potentially dramatic moment was transformed into a less-than-serious scene because of Reynold's balking at giving ole Gen.Hammond mouth-to-mouth.
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exactly. it was silly. it was funny and they played for the cliche. just like vala whacking danny in the jewels with the fire extinguisher and the cat fight and the pulling of hair.

they were going for camp, and the stereotypical m/m hesitation on the mouth to mouth was just that. it was played for laughs

TechnoBoY
December 24th, 2004, 04:52 PM
I saw the ep. Not really good. Meh.

Dana_Jeanne
December 24th, 2004, 06:13 PM
any digs at homophobia aside, most men balk at basically frenching another man.....especially when that other man is thier boss

I can see jack reacting the same way if it were teal'c or daniel who needed teh mouth to mouth...sam for that matter too. remember how he sorta cringed in foothold at the idea of digging under janet's shirt to get the imager?

But, if Hammond wasn't breathing, then Reynolds should have started CPR imediately. He should have yelled at someone to get over there to do the chest compressions--or he could have done them himself and a second person do the mouth-to-mouth.

I just can't imagine ANYBODY (anybody who knows how to do it) balking at giving someone mouth-to-mouth if they aren't breathing on thier own. There just isn't anything funny about potentially letting someone die.

Everyone at the SGC has to trust their life to thier fellow soldiers/civilians and that includes CPR. It should be an automatic reaction when you see someone laying there not breathing.

Somehow I can't see Jack and Teal'c standing over Daniel or Sam, arguing about who's going to do the chest compressing and who's going to the 'kissing.'

(I didn't think him cringing in Foothold was funny, either :p )

Dana Jeanne

Dana_Jeanne
December 24th, 2004, 06:15 PM
exactly. it was silly. it was funny and they played for the cliche. just like vala whacking danny in the jewels with the fire extinguisher and the cat fight and the pulling of hair.

they were going for camp, and the stereotypical m/m hesitation on the mouth to mouth was just that. it was played for laughs

That's probably my problem then :o I didn't find this funny or campy, hense my 'upset' with the not-mouth-to-mouth.

I guess I have a boring sense of humour!

Dana Jeanne

Skydiver
December 24th, 2004, 06:18 PM
That's probably my problem then :o I didn't find this funny or campy, hense my 'upset' with the not-mouth-to-mouth.

I guess I have a boring sense of humour!

Dana Jeanne

to me the whole episode was camp. from hammy stealing jack's chair to doctor hiccup to the daniel/vala catfight

it was space race without the announcers and reminded me of the other guys in a way

everything was played for a laugh or part of a gag

graculus
December 24th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Forgive me if someone has already brought this up, but the mouth-to-mouth scene could have been poking fun at something other than male homophobia. Isn't there a tradition of joking about Jack's revival techniques after Daniel "coded" in The Light? Isn't there a standing fandom Joke about slapping Daniel around as CPR?

I regard "comedy eps" as a safety valve for the writers: it gets all the self-parody out of their systems so they can feel creative about what they do the rest of the time. There's also the fact that the X-Files got its Emmy for a comedy ep, and that's cast a strange shadow on the world of syndicated TV ever since. In any event, comedy eps don't seem to be for the fans: to my knowledge, the fan response is usually mixed to negative, and most prefer to see comedy integrated into the drama/action.

If we start from the premise that comedy eps let the writers laugh at themselves, then we should probably accept that fan reaction is part of their world. That's why I think the mouth-to-mouth scene was a reference to The Light rather than any general comment on male homophobia.

There were probably more homages packed into PU (I'm getting a laugh out of the acronym, too) than most fans even realize. The part where Vala is crushing Daniel's head with her thighs reminded me of Bladerunner and another film with Gary Oldham (I forget the name). The thigh-crushing thing was almost iconic in the early 1990s. Also, a friend just pointed out that when Daniel was crushing Vala's head on the computer screen, he was probably quoting Due South.

In any case, this wasn't the worst comedy ep Stargate's done, and I'm glad the writers got it out of their system. I will certainly watch this ep again because it introduces a terrific character, Vala.

Later,
Graculus

Callimaco
December 24th, 2004, 11:38 PM
Oh ... my ... god ...

Vala.

I'm in love.

Hathor999
December 25th, 2004, 01:08 AM
So, my take would be, Daniel zatted her because he just wasn't prepared to listen to that crap, because he knew she was lying, it was just another attempt at manipulating him, and just one more of her tricks to get herself out of trouble. Hence the eyerolling and shaking of the head after he zatted her - as though he couldn't believe she'd actually tried that one on him after all she'd done and did she really think he was that dumb and naive?

Albion :)

I think you are right about it and that Daniel zatted her was one of the redeeming things of this episode for me.

I must say that "Prometheus Unbound" makes me fear for this show. Is that Stargates future :20 episodes of sex talk, slapstick violence and bad jokes?!? :( :( :(

valaCB
December 25th, 2004, 01:56 AM
Oh ... my ... god ...

Vala.

I'm in love.

me too

Hathor999
December 25th, 2004, 02:16 AM
Guess whether you like this one depends on your sense of humour. Well it wasnt my type of humour and I found it almost embarrassing in places.

Never seen CB before, but sorry I thought her acting was poor and it rubbed of on MS, who seemed to spend most the episode pulling funny faces.

Even Hammond didnt seem in character to me ...he was far too 'jolly' at the start.

Only good point was seeing DSD looking so well.

I have seen Claudia Black on Farscape. IMO she was better in this show. (played a kind
of extremly agressive no-nonsens marines type of soldier...Ripley(from "Aliens") on drugs or something like that. But for that kind of role (sexy "fruitcake") she is the wrong actress.

I hope the writers will go back to the drawing board and tone down the Vala character for season 9 very much. Because another episode like "Prometheus Unbound" I can´t stand. Than I could have watched "Tripping the Rift" (at least this show was MEANT to be nothing more than a bad joke).

dipsofjazz
December 25th, 2004, 02:59 AM
That's probably my problem then :o I didn't find this funny or campy, hense my 'upset' with the not-mouth-to-mouth.

I guess I have a boring sense of humour!

Dana Jeanne
Well, if not liking this scene means you have a boring sense of humour, then I must have one too! I agree with everything you have said in your posts about this. I didn't find it in the least bit funny. In fact, I feel that a lot of the "humour" in this episode is incredibly childish. Perhaps if I was an adolescent male I would have been LMAO, but unfortunately I am a woman in her *ahem* 40's and this was not my kind of comedy!

valaCB
December 25th, 2004, 03:32 AM
Claudia Black on Vala:

"Vala was a lot of fun. I did my best to beat the daylights out of Michael Shanks, and he was a very good sport. She's sassy. She's intelligent. She's manipulative. She's very hard and mercurial. She does what she has to [to] survive, so it's very hard to tell what the real core of Vala is, and I'm hoping that if they do write her back in again that that will be explored.


"I've not played a character like [Vala] before. That was the appeal of doing it. She's a real piece of work. It's quite honestly very hard to tell if she's an ally or a thorn in their side. For the sake of the drama in this particular episode she seems to be a thorn in their side, but it's quite ambiguous, and that's what I loved about it. She's constantly teetering on that ambiguous edge. It was nice to push that. I asked [director] Andy [Mikita] on the phone when I accepted the role how far I could push that, and he said, 'Go the full mile.' So it was, creatively, a very playful environment

I think Claudia did a fantastic work!

Wass
December 25th, 2004, 03:38 AM
The funnies episodes of SG-1 IMO.

Dana_Jeanne
December 25th, 2004, 02:53 PM
Well, if not liking this scene means you have a boring sense of humour, then I must have one too! I agree with everything you have said in your posts about this. I didn't find it in the least bit funny. In fact, I feel that a lot of the "humour" in this episode is incredibly childish. Perhaps if I was an adolescent male I would have been LMAO, but unfortunately I am a woman in her *ahem* 40's and this was not my kind of comedy!

SoTHAT'S what my problem is! :D I'll be 48 in two weeks. Whew. For a while there I was thinking there was something seriously wrong with my humour button and it's just that I'm OLD! :eek:

Dana Jeanne

dipsofjazz
December 25th, 2004, 07:43 PM
SoTHAT'S what my problem is! :D I'll be 48 in two weeks. Whew. For a while there I was thinking there was something seriously wrong with my humour button and it's just that I'm OLD! :eek:

Dana Jeanne
:D NOW I'm LMAO! :p Yes, I guess that's it...we're too old to appreciate the "humour" of the "new" Stargate! Maybe it's good that we are "oldies"!!! :D

Now, where's that remote control button???

Tok'Ra Hostess
December 26th, 2004, 06:51 AM
:D NOW I'm LMAO! :p Yes, I guess that's it...we're too old to appreciate the "humour" of the "new" Stargate!

Must be a phase you guys are going through; I'm in my fifties and suddenly I think EVERYTHING'S funny.
:D :D :D

Dani347
December 26th, 2004, 07:03 AM
Well, how's this for an oddball opinion? I liked the episode, but didn't find it all that funny. In fact, the things that seemed to be screaming "we're being funny!" I found either annoying or insulting or just plain too silly to be enjoyable. And, I can have some low brow humor at times. I love Robin Hood: Men in Tights, for example. But what I enjoyed was the mutual respect between Daniel and Hammond, and the caring Hammond showed. I liked the J/D banter, which was humorous, but didn't feel like the writers patting themselves on the back about how funny they are. The humor comes naturally from how Jack and Daniel relate. Which is why Novak's "[email protected] it to [email protected]" was funnier than all the hiccups she had, besuse I could see somene getting frustrated like that. I loved Daniel's total bewilderment, dealing with someone as out there as Vala, and am cyrious as to how much of her story is true.

So, I had a good time watching, but it wasn't a laugh a minute for me.

meimei
December 29th, 2004, 05:35 AM
:D NOW I'm LMAO! :p Yes, I guess that's it...we're too old to appreciate the "humour" of the "new" Stargate! Maybe it's good that we are "oldies"!!! :D

Now, where's that remote control button???
Huh?? Hey, I'm in my mid forties and I thought it was funny! I liked this ep!

And the mouth to mouth hesitation wasn't that long... A few seconds at most. He was going to do it.

keppiezbt
December 29th, 2004, 05:57 PM
what a good episode!!!! so so much better than gemini. def one of my favs for the season so far.

Dith
December 31st, 2004, 04:33 AM
Also, a friend just pointed out that when Daniel was crushing Vala's head on the computer screen, he was probably quoting Due South.

*unlurks*
I took the reference as being from Kids in the Hall (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/k/kidsinthehallthe_1299001796.shtml), a Canadian comedy sketch show of the late 80's. The show was very anarchic, often compared to Monty Python.

Seeing Daniel do the headcrushing bit had me in fits because I was imagining the Kids character's ridiculous high pitched voice to accompany it. 'I'm crushing your head! Prepare to become a flathead!'

Nurgle
January 1st, 2005, 12:22 PM
While on the whole I loved this ep, there was one thing that really rubbed my goat the wrong way, and that was the way that MS was holding the P90 when sneaking up behind Vala.

If, as has been discussed to death in this thread, Daniel had recieved basic military training, then he wouldn't hold the stock of any kind of assault rifle in mid air while taking aim. If he had been firing standard rounds from that thing, the recoil would have ripped the gun out of his hands in no time flat (P90s have quite a bit of kick to them, and a poorly designed grip).

graculus
January 1st, 2005, 12:32 PM
Actually, that could have been quite humorous. :)

Later,
Graculus

Hathor999
January 1st, 2005, 01:13 PM
:D NOW I'm LMAO! :p Yes, I guess that's it...we're too old to appreciate the "humour" of the "new" Stargate! Maybe it's good that we are "oldies"!!! :D

Now, where's that remote control button???

I´m not even 35 but I don´t get into the humour of the "new" Stargate! :D
The only part of "Prometheus Unbound" which was funny for me was the the scene from the beginning with Jack and Daniel (I love Jack and Daniel bantering) and Hammond. The other "jokes" I found almost insultung.

Dana_Jeanne
January 2nd, 2005, 11:19 AM
You know, whoever just now gave me a red square for my opinion on this episode, the least you could have done was tell me why you disagreed with me and then signed your name. I don't bite. Much.
Dana Jeanne

alz0rz
January 2nd, 2005, 12:14 PM
You know, whoever just now gave me a red square for my opinion on this episode, the least you could have done was tell me why you disagreed with me and then signed your name. I don't bite. Much.
Dana Jeanne
I hate when that happens as well, its like completely random :rolleyes:

alz0rz
January 2nd, 2005, 12:16 PM
I loved Walter's action in this episode.. but does anyone else think he looks more 'chevron guy 'ish' with his glasses on? :D :p

Dana_Jeanne
January 2nd, 2005, 12:20 PM
I hate when that happens as well, its like completely random :rolleyes:

LOL-- I know, it's like... what didn't they like in my post?

I'm actually looking forward to seeing this on the 'big screen' as opposed to ::cough:: the computer screen ::cough:: because so many people did like it that I'm thinking perhaps the smaller screen allowed me to miss some nuances and stuff.

I'm always open to having my mind changed! :D

Dana Jeanne (and thanks alzOrz)

Hubble
January 4th, 2005, 11:21 AM
.../
I'm actually looking forward to seeing this on the 'big screen' as opposed to ::cough:: the computer screen ::cough:: because so many people did like it that I'm thinking perhaps the smaller screen allowed me to miss some nuances and stuff.

I'm always open to having my mind changed! :D

Dana Jeanne (and thanks alzOrz)

I think it's good to have an open mind. However, I don't think you missed any nuances, etc. I felt pretty much the same way you did about PU; didn't find most of the humor funny at all; mostly juvenile. Just because a certain percentage of people found this really funny and entertaining doesn't mean anything; there's no right or wrong, just a matter of taste. I'm in my early 30s, so a declining sense of humor has nothing to do with my not liking PU, either. ;-)

It's good to hear dissenting opinions, I think.

Hubble

graculus
January 4th, 2005, 11:28 AM
I agree that most of the humor didn't work for me. Doesn't change how I feel about Vala's possibilities, though...

Later,
Graculus

Fastskin
January 5th, 2005, 08:52 AM
I have just watched the above episode and i noticed something i found rather strange.

How come the sheild failed so easily? Take for instance the end of Series 7, it toke a pounding before the sheild started to give way. So how come it gave way so easily? I know it had taken a few hits before it was raised, but wud that effect the sheild?

aschen
January 5th, 2005, 01:10 PM
That was a pretty good ep over all. Claudia Black looked amazing in the skin tight black get up. =)

graculus
January 5th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Yeah, I'm surprised that Vala isn't getting more of the guy cat-suit vote. :)

Later,
Graculus

Madeleine
January 5th, 2005, 02:33 PM
I think the shield failed because neither Vala nor Daniel were fully competent at operating the ship.

graculus
January 5th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Good explanation!

Later,
Graculus

Easter Lily
January 7th, 2005, 12:17 PM
And the point of this episode was...?
:p
Gasp... Daniel's turning into Jack... I'm really missing the archaeologist, I begin to wonder if he shouldn't have gone to Atlantis with Weir & Co.

Nice to see Claudia Black again... great suit... very flattering. That Vala seems to have only one thing on her mind. ;)

A thoroughly silly episode... funny in parts but very silly. I just hope that SG-1 isn't turning into a caricature of itself.

ApophisLives
January 9th, 2005, 02:26 AM
I *loved* this episode. Very light and silly, lots of laughs.

I liked seeing Vala and Daniel's chemistry; it was a welcome departure from the usual drama and angst that usually accompany any sort of relationship. Not that drama and angst are bad necessarily...it was just nice to see a change of pace.

I hope Daniel and Vala get a lot of scenes together, and they play out that sexual tension. It was really fun to watch. The fact that she's an "enemy," yet so different than the usual Goa'uld, Replicators, etc. (*serious enemies*), and even at the end, Daniel doesn't hate her or anything ("she's good")...I think it could really go places, as long as they don't make it serious, and they don't forget about it. I am *so* looking forward to those episodes.

Livi2Jack
January 17th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Is this the ep that Jumps the Shark?

A couple of good lines does not quality make.

1. A 3 star General commands hundreds of thousands not a couple of dozen. Especially when there are at least 2 colonels and a brigadier gen who can command the ship, ie Prendergast, Ronson, and O'Neill.

2. Personnel decisions are not handled in front of the lower ranking personnel, ie Hammond countermanding Jack, taking Daniel and Walter.

3. The commander is NEVER sent out on a dangerous recon alone or at all. Lt. Gen. Tommy Franks would never go on a house to house recon in Baghdad, so why was Three Star Gen. Hammond,in no kind of physical shape to boot, sent to operate in dangerous environmental conditions. Action Hammond was so awful I winced. His motivations were silly and selfish not heroic. And he jeopardized the mission for his own personal pique. And the person selected should have taken all the crystals for backups.

4. CPR...Col. Reynolds is a Special Forces trained soldier who would NEVER hesitate to give CPR/Mouth to Mouth as would the crew who would all have had at least Red Cross training for emergency situations. It was NOT funny.

5. Hiccoup woman was annoying. No point. The gimmick missed.

6. Daniel punching out a woman is not sending the right message to the kids who watch the show. Yes she was begging for it, but still it was the wrong thing to do in front of children. Zatting her which does not imply real permanent injury should have been the exclusive use of force. Cary Grant shoved Kate Hepburn in the face in the Philadelphia story but he did it with class and she wasn't hurt. Cagney shoved a grapefruit into a woman's face in Public Enemey but she wasn't hurt. This was pure brutality and yes in the real world he would fight her off as best he could. But this is tv with little kids who watch it. Producers take note.

7. With that much fighting, someone had to bleed and show bruises later. It was comic book action. And it showed kids that you can beat each other up with no effect.

8. Several movies and a James Bond one I can remember do the thigh crushing manoeuver. By now it is just trite.

9. What about security? Do we have such limited understanding of the systems we are using such as the rings as to be unable to construct the slightest security? Even our own technology at the brig could be breached from INSIDE the cell? And the woman did it Twice.

10. Someone mentioned that the Super Soldier outfit seems to be a one size fits all deal...aren't the Kull 7 feet tall or something?

11. Zats do not affect one single part of the body. Whether the head or tail is exposed should not matter if the energy is dissapated by the suit. Shooting for the head was begging the issue. How do I know? My rocket scientist physicist husband waxed warm and wild over this bit.

12. As to Daniel mouthing Jack's lines...be glad it wasn't Jack because he would have killed Vala at the first opportunity and there would have been no ep.

13. Chevron guy morphed from Radar O'Reilly to Wesley Crusher in S8. He operates a terminal at the SGC for 8 years and may have some low level administrative duties. Suddenly he can substitute for Maj. Gant or then Maj. Carter, a major no less, at those controls of the Prometheus and on an alien ship the Alkesh? What? Correspondence courses at alien ship school pan out? Sheesh.

14. Part of the great appeal of this show is that the men and women of the Armed Services are shown as heroes of great competency operating with teamwork in an effective stratified system. This ep was filled with buffoons or selfish silly folks with no security procedures, disregard for the safety of the chain of command, and a crew complement without skill levels necessary to run the ship.

KatG
January 23rd, 2005, 02:34 PM
Posting before I read what everyone else thought.

I was extremely dissapointed in this episode. Felt like I had been dropped into an episode of Farscape with all the sexual innuendos, yelling and screaming, and beating up on each other. Doesn't make me feel too positive about S9 if this is what we have to look forward to.

I didn't see any chemistry between Daniel/Vala. In fact, it seemed rather forced to me.

I also find it hard to believe that the Colonel Reynolds would hesitate to perform mouth to mouth when his commanding officer was lying there not breathing. I mean these people are trained to respond in life or death matters, and this definitely qualified. Instead we get a look like "ewww, I might get cooties". Just didn't gel for me at all.

KatG
January 23rd, 2005, 02:47 PM
I finally got to see it. I don't like slapstick humour, or sexual innuendo, and I thought both went way OTT in this. The fight between the two of them was ridiculous, partly because there's no way Vala should have been able to beat up Daniel, not after 8 years of training. And the constant muttering about having sex-- to me this was the writers FORCING an attraction, rather than letting one appear on it's own. Every once in a while I caught a little spark, but it was not in the places where it was written.

If this is what Vala is, and the way S9 is going to be written, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm not a hormone-ridden 14 year old boy and I get no thrill out of an episode like this. When I watch an episode and I see MICHAEL rather than Daniel, then something is wrong. This just isn't Daniel for me, and I'm hugely disappointed. Everything seemed so forced. If I wanted to watch Farscape, then I would go rent the DVD's.

What was with that chickie who kept hicupping? It did nothing for the plot; I assume it was put in there because someone thought it was 'funny.' Can we stop with the 'comedy' and get back to DRAMA?

You only have, what, 40 minutes to tell a story? If it's not pertinent to the plot, then leave it out.

And when you have to give someone CPR, you don't wrinkle up your nose in disgust and hesitate. Both Reynolds and Hammond (AND Damien Kindler!) are far beyond the 'ooh, cooties, he's a boy I can't put my lips on his!' age!

And writers? DANIEL IS NOT JACK. Please stop putting Jack's words into Daniel's mouth, it doesn't sound good at all.

Wow! Will wonders never cease? This may be the very first time that you and I have agreed on an episode since we both entered this fandom. :D

I swear I didn't read your post before I posted my original but it's like you were channeling my thoughts or something or maybe that would be me channeling yours since they were already here.

KatG
January 23rd, 2005, 03:04 PM
It seems to me a lot of people are taking this episode way too seriously, and that's why you can't enjoy it. I'm guessing those people have never watched Avenger 2.0, The Other Guys, Wormhole X-treme, Window of Opportunity or Urgo. This was just Season 8's comedic episode, and I must say that I loved it.

Then you would be guessing wrong. Aside from Avenger 2.0, I've loved the funny episodes each season. Urgo and Window of Opportunity are probably two of my favorite episodes ever and I quite enjoyed The Other Guys and Wormhole Extreme. I just didn't like this one at all. In my opinion, and it's only my opinion, this one would have worked much better as a serious ep with a little humor thrown in.

KatG
January 23rd, 2005, 03:23 PM
Must be a phase you guys are going through; I'm in my fifties and suddenly I think EVERYTHING'S funny.
:D :D :D

That must be it. It seems to be us 40 somethings that are don't get the humor.

Nice to know I have something to look forward to when I hit my 50's. :)

XToDaZ
January 28th, 2005, 12:53 PM
This was definately one of the worst episodes I've seen so far. I could hardly recognise it was a Stargate episode.
The hick-up humor and the oversexed Vala might seem like a nice idea for an idiotic British comedy show or for a 14 year-old crowd. I tried to laugh, but I've outgrown this type of pubescant comedy for some time now.
I also could not find a reference to how this particular episode could fit into the SG grand scheme of things. Singular episodes are supposed to either be a funny interval, a money-saving clipshow (a necessary evil) or are supposed to open up some options for future storylines technologically (nanites, stargate intel, naquadah reactor, ...), socially (sam/jack, teal'c and co, ...), politically (NID development, Pentagon, ...) or diplomatically/culturally (Antractic Ancient, Tollan, Kelowna, ...)
This one did none of those.
Instead all I saw was a crappy performance of Daniel (whether it's Michael Shanks losing interest or the writers losing what Daniel's about, I don't know), a irritating chick with an attitude of which I hope she won't reappear, a ranked officer hesitatant to reanimate his general, a Star Wars type alien creature of which nothing was told whatsoever and last but not least a stereotypical fight between Daniel and Vala that could've been stripped right of an amateur porn video without the clothes removed.

Whoever wrote this episode should ask Jack O'Neill how to evade cliché's.

Major Fischer
January 28th, 2005, 04:46 PM
So, I admit whole heartedly that I probably wouldn't like this when I started watching it.... but here is ...


Fischer's Random Rambling About Prometheus Unbound

What do three star generals do and do not do.

They do not contradict their subordinates in front of others (including Daniel, and the SFs in the hall). They do not go on missions. They do not sound petty. This beginning doesn't bode well for what the new job has done to Hammond. Lieutenant generals are men who handle the big picture, not one ship. Did Hammond do this to the Prommie CO too? Does this tell us that Lieutenant Colonel Carter isn't the only one poorly served by season eight?

At least Hammond knows he's selfish. Novak annoyed me after oh, did she walk into the room? What the ... who wrote that? I'm sooo glad this didn't end up as a recurring gag on Atlantis. I might have destroyed my TV tube.

So Walter can fly a starship now? Not just the Prometheus, but the Akash too? That's not a highly skilled and technical job completely different than what he does normally... is it? Oh yeah, ten minutes into this episode and I'm not totally out of the universe and yelling at TPTB, no I'm not.

Ohhhh and apparently the Prometheus Standard Operating Proceedures are so idiotic as to not have safeguards against the use of the rings by unauthorized people. Even though we know the goa'uld use rings, because, well, you know we salvaged that technology from them. No one on the bridge smart enough to do anything but stare at the supersoldier? These are our last best defense against enslavement and destruction?

Back to things three star generals don't do. They don't go over to hostile enviroments to do a job that could be better done by someone who is younger and in much better physical shape. No trained marine would hesitate giving mouth to mouth when someone was dying either. Was this written by a twelve year old?

The chemistry between Daniel and Vela is so forced and horrible that felt sorry for both Shanks and Black. I can't imagin suffering through five entire epsiodes of this garbage. No matter how much shippy music you put over the incredibly painful kiss.

And the less said about the fight between Daniel and Vela the better.

Bondage jokes and potty humor, and nonconsentual sexual banter? This is what we get after eight years? I didn't mind it so much in Hathor, I thought it was campy. Now I see why others didn't feel that way about that episode. I think that there might be a shark around... anyone have some water skies? A waste of a good hour of my life. Can I sue for it back?

Utter drivel. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Buzz Lightyear
January 28th, 2005, 04:55 PM
So, I admit whole heartedly that I probably wouldn't like this when I started watching it.... but here is ...

Utter drivel. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Now tell us what you REALLY think, and don't hold back this time. :D

greytop
January 28th, 2005, 05:06 PM
This epsoide was better than Genimi, IMO. Since we know that Vala will be back next season, it was a good introduction to her. Maybe, Teal's will know who she is?

Major Fischer
January 28th, 2005, 05:16 PM
This epsoide was better than Genimi, IMO. Since we know that Vala will be back next season, it was a good introduction to her. Maybe, Teal's will know who she is?

I don't know, I'm rather frightened of five epsiodes of her, and absolutely embarrassed for Claudia Black.

alaskannut
January 28th, 2005, 05:21 PM
I have just watched the above episode and i noticed something i found rather strange.

How come the sheild failed so easily? Take for instance the end of Series 7, it toke a pounding before the sheild started to give way. So how come it gave way so easily? I know it had taken a few hits before it was raised, but wud that effect the sheild?
The ship had already taken much damage as you somehat pointed out--shield generator was probably already working at less than full capability when shields were raised, weakening the shields.

OH! and I rather liked this ep :) ...nice to see the prometheus out and about.

...and as for the whole what generals do/don't do thing...in the navy, admirals put their flag on whatever ship they like--though usually the biggest, toughest one--which in this case would be the Prometheus. Perhaps the air force is emulating the navy now that it is operating ship-class vehicles, and not just aircraft?? Also, he, Jack, and Daniel DO go way back, so perhaps he decided to ignore standard procedure for countermanding subordinates....Anyway, I found the whole situation funny...sorry MF :S

ShardsofGlass
January 28th, 2005, 05:34 PM
I LOVED this episode!!! It was so much fun. I laughed out loud at a couple of parts, like when Daniel tried to squeeze Vala's head with his fingers. LOL I thought Vala was a hoot. But she was also a mystery. Who is she really? Is she really trying to save her people or is she a scam artist trying to buy some weapons? I thought Vala and Daniel's chemistry was great and I really enjoyed watching them together. I can definitely see why TPTB wanted to bring her back.

I've seen some of the complaints about this episode, and I don't care. Unlike last week, this episode had energy and humor and action. Vala and Daniel both have a lot of personality. General Hammond was great, letting himself indulge in a mission for once in his life. I loved the scene where they tried to give him mouth to mouth and he woke up just in time.

As a more recent SG fan, I enjoyed this soooo much better than last week, and I'm glad to see that SG can be so much fun to watch. (And I have to admit -- sorry, Carter fans -- but Carter is a bit dull, don't you think?)

Jonisa
January 28th, 2005, 05:51 PM
I LOVED this episode!!! It was so much fun. I laughed out loud at a couple of parts, like when Daniel tried to squeeze Vala's head with his fingers. LOL I thought Vala was a hoot. But she was also a mystery. Who is she really? Is she really trying to save her people or is she a scam artist trying to buy some weapons? I thought Vala and Daniel's chemistry was great and I really enjoyed watching them together. I can definitely see why TPTB wanted to bring her back.

I've seen some of the complaints about this episode, and I don't care. Unlike last week, this episode had energy and humor and action. Vala and Daniel both have a lot of personality. General Hammond was great, letting himself indulge in a mission for once in his life. I loved the scene where they tried to give him mouth to mouth and he woke up just in time.

As a more recent SG fan, I enjoyed this soooo much better than last week, and I'm glad to see that SG can be so much fun to watch. (And I have to admit -- sorry, Carter fans -- but Carter is a bit dull, don't you think?)

Agreeing completely. I have to admit, I was really looking forward to this one, as I'm a huge Daniel fan and I absolutely love Claudia Black. I had read some interesting opinions about the episode, some extremely positive, some extremely negative. That said, I was quite determined to judge it on it's own merits. And after last week's (IMHO) snoozefest, this episode had lots of action, lots of humor, and was just lots of fun. Much, much better, I thought, than what they asked us to sit through last week. My favorite so far this year.

Vala is a hoot. I can't wait to find out more about her. I thought Daniel and Vala had fantastic chemistry. I loved Daniel's expressions all through the episode. Priceless.

I realize that some people felt that it went over the top, and I can see where that criticism comes from. I guess it just didn't seem that way to me. I laughed when I was supposed to, and it felt like I was laughing with the actors, not at them. Even the hiccuping girl didn't annoy me like I was afraid she might.

It just felt like a great ride to me, from beginning to end, and I don't want to analyze it too closely. That will take the fun out of it. I loved it. :)

Skydiver
January 28th, 2005, 06:06 PM
I don't know, I'm rather frightened of five epsiodes of her, and absolutely embarrassed for Claudia Black.

this was basically Stargate does Farscape.

Yes, it was fun. It was lighthearted and rather silly.

If the first 5 of s9 are like this, well then they'll be better than the alternative...which could be Lifeboat or Orpheus x5....which would have me cringing and reaching for the remote

I was never a huge farscape fan but this is precise what i'd expect to see crichton doing, the whole sexually charged, slightly naughty space romp

It was fun, and i did literally laugh out loud....but it also seemed to be the harbringer of things to come....a dumbing down of the show and a pandering to the lowest common denominator....you know the American Pie audience, slapstick and sex jokes

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Yeah, but at the same time, Farscape made people think. It wasn't focusing on people that were addicted to American Pie -- it was focusing on people that wanted to comprehend situations from every angle, and wanted to have a chance to get things on their own.

I saw that in this very brilliant episode, tonight. (IMHO, as always.)

alz0rz
January 28th, 2005, 06:26 PM
This was definately one of the worst episodes I've seen so far. I could hardly recognise it was a Stargate episode.
The hick-up humor and the oversexed Vala might seem like a nice idea for an idiotic British comedy show or for a 14 year-old crowd. I tried to laugh, but I've outgrown this type of pubescant comedy for some time now.
I also could not find a reference to how this particular episode could fit into the SG grand scheme of things. Singular episodes are supposed to either be a funny interval, a money-saving clipshow (a necessary evil) or are supposed to open up some options for future storylines technologically (nanites, stargate intel, naquadah reactor, ...), socially (sam/jack, teal'c and co, ...), politically (NID development, Pentagon, ...) or diplomatically/culturally (Antractic Ancient, Tollan, Kelowna, ...)
This one did none of those.
Instead all I saw was a crappy performance of Daniel (whether it's Michael Shanks losing interest or the writers losing what Daniel's about, I don't know), a irritating chick with an attitude of which I hope she won't reappear, a ranked officer hesitatant to reanimate his general, a Star Wars type alien creature of which nothing was told whatsoever and last but not least a stereotypical fight between Daniel and Vala that could've been stripped right of an amateur porn video without the clothes removed.

Whoever wrote this episode should ask Jack O'Neill how to evade cliché's.

Too bad! Your going to see 5 more Vala's!

Daniel's_twin
January 28th, 2005, 06:26 PM
This episode was absolutely great! The humor in the beginning and even in the fight scene with Daniel and Claudia were so funny, they had my sister and I rolling on our floor!!!!!!!! The fight scenes that were done on the side of the Al'Kesh and the Prometheus and Death Gliders were also superb. I was so happy to see Don S. Davis. I miss him a whole lot, as does my sister. So far, Sg-1 is really kicking butt in this second half of the season. :cool:

NightGloom
January 28th, 2005, 06:29 PM
This episode wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, in fact, I rather liked it (compared to the horrorific "dirty" episode I thought it was going to be). I think it was meant just to be lighthearted, there's always a few episodes like it during each season.

True, I could have done without all the innuendo, save it for Farscape. And the hiccup thing was just plain annoying. It did seem like they took the "science" out of the "science fiction" a bit during this episode, to turn into Farscape meets the Three Stooges meets Star Wars (c'mon, you had to of thought of it with those alien guys). Don't get me wrong, I love all three... all three together would get old quick.

However, it was better than Gemini, and not bad as a stand alone episode, but nowhere near the older SG-1.

Daniel's_twin
January 28th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Hey, did anyone else see the joy on Walter's face while piloting the Al'kesh? :cool:

DJFavorite
January 28th, 2005, 06:35 PM
WooHoo!!!! Luved it!!


Ok, I could go on about Daniel and Vala (but I'll save that for the thunk thread :D ) but I won't. The whole story line was actually pretty good. I'm looking forward to Vala coming back. Left lots of questions that I'm looking forward to finding out the answers. I kept wondering if it was Jacob who was the Tok'ra that removed the symbiote from her. I'm really curious about her people and why she needed the naquadah.

Overall a good episode! Lots of fun!

Skydiver
January 28th, 2005, 06:38 PM
Hey, did anyone else see the joy on Walter's face while piloting the Al'kesh? :cool:

walter was the saving grace to parts of this.
he's so deadpan funny and i'm so glad he's getting more air time this season
i also enjoyed the promie folks, reynolds and such.

Novak was even fun and quirky...yes her hiccups were annoying...but hiccups are that way. :)

I do feel, however, that hammond so dissed jack. he just showed up, took his chair, took daniel, took walter without so much as a by your leave. That's rather disprespectful to a base commander, even if hammy was an old friend

kiyuchan
January 28th, 2005, 06:57 PM
I thought the episode was fun, cute, and fluffy. And actually more interesting that last week's. While the show IS action/drama, I like to see a bit of fluff now and again. And it looks like the rest of the season is going to be fairly serious and important...It was nice to have a break.

That said, while I won't say I LIKED Vala, I ENJOYED the character a lot. She was a bit too manipulative for me to feel any affection for, presently, but I can't wait to see her in some more (presumably) serious eps in S9. :)

Just my tuppance. :p
Haha.

ac24
January 28th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I thought the epi. was good. Before learning about this epi., I thought that it was going to be a drama, but I like the chessey humor that they had on the show. Also, it just a show so I take what I watch. :D :)

NightGloom
January 28th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Hey, did anyone else see the joy on Walter's face while piloting the Al'kesh? :cool:

Yes! I loved Walter in this, I was so happy when Gen. Hammond was like "Oh, and we're taking Walter too" I literally screamed "YAY! WALTER!" :p

IMForeman
January 28th, 2005, 07:06 PM
God, I've missed Hammond.

-IMF

GoldenSG-1
January 28th, 2005, 07:08 PM
wow vala and daniel/ claudia and michael really had a rought fight :eek:
I was laughing in the first two minutes

"I be taking walter as well"

"I'll quit"

why don't you just hold your breath you haven't done that in awhile"

When hammond passed out I thought it was one of those things the producer said the fans would hate. Hammond dying would be a real blow.

I wonder what jacks going to say about daniel when gets back

"back so soon?"

binkpmmc
January 28th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Prometheus Unbound = PU - pretty much says it all for me (at least the title makes for a convenient acronym so as not to waste a lot of time typing since I already wasted an hour).

keshou
January 28th, 2005, 07:17 PM
It was fun, and i did literally laugh out loud....but it also seemed to be the harbringer of things to come....a dumbing down of the show and a pandering to the lowest common denominator....you know the American Pie audience, slapstick and sex jokes
I guess that's my fear. I think Vala could be an interesting character if you look behind the sexual innuendo, the broad slapstick. But will they look beyond that? I don't know.

It's a strange episode. Kind of campy, definitely not your typical Daniel episode. There were parts of it that were a lot of fun and where I thought MS and CB clicked pretty well and made me laugh. :D Other parts still make me cringe just thinking about them. :eek:

I recall being worried that Atlantis was going to be targeted to a younger audience and wouldn't appeal to me as much as SG-1. As I watch the new Scifi Fridays, SG-1 definitely seems like the show aimed at the younger audience. I'm finding more maturity and depth in both Atlantis and BSG these days.

Skydiver
January 28th, 2005, 07:23 PM
I guess that's my fear. I think Vala could be an interesting character if you look behind the sexual innuendo, the broad slapstick. But will they look beyond that? I don't know.
.

I don't know either. I mean, i enjoyed it in a way....but maybe it's like Hostess cupcakes. One every once in a while is ok, a steady diet would make me pretty sick pretty quick



It's a strange episode. Kind of campy, definitely not your typical Daniel episode. There were parts of it that were a lot of fun and where I thought MS and CB clicked pretty well and made me laugh. :D Other parts still make me cringe just thinking about them. :eek:


yeah. usually daniel episodes are the uber angst that lends itself to overacting and forced drama. This wasn't that. And i did laugh out loud. the whole cat fight was pretty funny

it just wasn't stargate



I recall being worried that Atlantis was going to be targeted to a younger audience and wouldn't appeal to me as much as SG-1. As I watch the new Scifi Fridays, SG-1 definitely seems like the show aimed at the younger audience. I'm finding more maturity and depth in both Atlantis and BSG these days.

yeah. Atlantis tonight was great, bsg is growing on me, stargate, while not horrible, is definitely not up to previous seasons' standards (well, except for s7, thus far, s8 is about on par with season 7)

Beeblebrox
January 28th, 2005, 07:33 PM
A waste of a good hour of my life. Can I sue for it back?

Utter drivel. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

In a thread this long most of the valuable critique has already happened. However, not to beat a dead horse but this ep reeks of a few dozen failures of Intelligent Writing 101: move the plot along by having otherwise intelligent characters do stupid stuff.

You can just hear the discussion around the table at the writer's meeting for this ep:

Writer 1: Should we really put Hammond on a deep space mission? He is after all, a Lt. General in charge of planetary defense.

Producer: We need to work him into some script at some point, this is as good as any. Moving on.

Writer 2: Isn't it unlikely that a girl who knows nothing about the Prometheus should so easily overpower the crew and take the ship?

Producer: She has to or we have no episode. Moving on.

Writer 1: A trained SG team would never allow themselves to be captured.

Producer: If they aren't captured then they can't be on the other ship in order to pursue the Prom. so let's let them be captured so that we can have some danger and action. Moving on.

Writer 2: Why would Daniel finally get the better of Vala in a fist fight and then put his face 12" inches from her's thereby opening himself up to body blow?

Producer: The same reason he didn't Zat her the first moment he had the chance: we would have no fight scene, no thigh squeezing action, no silly banter. Moving on.

Writer 1: Why do we have to have Walter, a guy who knows nothing about helmsmanship, flying not one, but TWO ships in this ep?

Producer: Because Chris Judge is on vacation. Moving on.

Writer 2: Why do we have to write all the SG members to be such idiots in this episode?

Producer: Because we have to have something to move the story along. If they don't do stupid things then we have no danger. No danger, no action, no action, we have to have a plot instead. Since we don't have a plot then we need stupid good guys. See how this works? Moving on.

Writer 1: Okay, just as Vala is about to escape at the end of the ep, the order is given for Walter to fire on her ship to. But he takes oh, about a half an hour to get around to pushing the fire button. Why is that?

Producer: Because if he fired right when Hammond ordered him to then Vala would not have gotten away. Moving on.

Writer 2: Shouldn't we have an epilogue where the Prom. returns to Earth and they strip Hammond of his command and rank for leading one of the most amatuer missions in the history of the Stargate program?

Producer: True, he did manage to get his shipped highjacked within minutes of leaving earth but at least he didn't end up sucking face with that enlisted guy, ya got to give him credit for that. Moving on. :rolleyes:

GatetheWay
January 28th, 2005, 07:36 PM
this was basically Stargate does Farscape.

Yes, it was fun. It was lighthearted and rather silly.

If the first 5 of s9 are like this, well then they'll be better than the alternative...which could be Lifeboat or Orpheus x5....which would have me cringing and reaching for the remote

I was never a huge farscape fan but this is precise what i'd expect to see crichton doing, the whole sexually charged, slightly naughty space romp

It was fun, and i did literally laugh out loud....but it also seemed to be the harbringer of things to come

Compared to last week ep. this show was much more enjoyable and fun to watch. I loved Daneil's reactions and how he shot her in mid-sentence in the end. lol That was great. But I really hope this is not as Skydiver said going to be
a dumbing down of the show and a pandering to the lowest common denominator.... the American Pie audience, slapstick and sex jokes
I usually am uncomfurtable with sex jokes when they are over done. But I was not uncomfortable with Prometheus Unbound (most of the time).

Though if this is a shadow of things to come in SG then it will have lost something important that has made it my favorite show. It's okay to do ep.s like this once in awhile but I don't think I could stand it if every week is going to be like this one.

This is just my two cents and my opinion.

DarkQuee1
January 28th, 2005, 07:38 PM
I had noticed that in posts about this ep, posters were abbreviating the title to PU.

Yep, that about sums it up.


This episode was terrible. Major Fischer, I am in total agreement with everything you said. TPTB clearly were trying to have Farscape fans watch this ep (well before they knew there was a season 9 and they made a wholehearted effort to bring in Farscape fans by signing Ben Browder), and they went for some of the worst aspects of Farscape (yes, Farscape had good points. But it had some really, really noticeable bad points as well), that is, among other things, humor at its most puerile and juvenile, loaded with sexual innuendos (and out-uendos!), slapstick and shtick (the Hiccup Doctor, as an example of the latter. Extremely annoying and unfunny).

Not to mention doing their best to make Daniel look like Browder (to the tight pants and black T-shirt. Even in the armor, he looked like Crichton in the peacekeeper outfit).

Character assassination? We had Sam last week. This week it was Hammond, Daniel and Reynolds (to name three). Hammond's behavior at the beginning of the ep was improper, disrespectful to a subordinate who is also a general and a commander of an important base and totally out-of-character. Some fans have complained that Jack, as a general, lacked Hammond's gravitas. Not after this ep he doesn't. It was unbelievable that he would walk in and grab two members of Jack's command without discussing it with Jack first.

ITA that there is no way that Hammond would ever be allowed to take the ship off to another galaxy, especially when we suspect that there's some kind of trouble there. He's in command of the entire Homeworld defense; he doesn't go off to do things like this. Or to take the kind of risk he did on the ship--that was totally absurd.

And Reynolds? A colonel hesitating to give CPR to anyone, much less his commanding officer? Because he'd have to do mouth-to-mouth? This wasn't funny; it was demeaning to the character.

Daniel? Yeah, he looked good in the T-shirt, but could he have looked any more pathetic or stupid than he did in the fight? Sure, have your opponent at zat point, and then turn away to study a screen, instead of stepping back or changing your position so that you can keep both under observation. Brilliant.

And the fight itself: hair pulling? Hitting the panels instead of his opponent? At least, we can finally lay any pretensions to Rambo Jackson to rest. Can anyone see the fight going the same way if Vala had been fighting, say, Jack? Teal'c? Sam?

There wasn't any excuse at all for taking Walter, and the excuse for taking Daniel didn't hold up. Forget ascension (since Daniel doesn't remember anything of when he was ascended): Daniel knows ancient because of The Fifth Race. That was *six* years ago. There is no way that I believe that in all that time, they haven't had Daniel instruct other linguists working for the project; it's too important. Heck, we know that some of the people who left for Atlantis can read it.

Hey, Walter! Try getting your a** in gear a little faster the next time you get an order to fire on a ship. (And how come *our* instruments always manage to get jammed?)

Oh, while we're talking character assassination, let's not forget all of the security personnel. Everybody takes over our spaceship without effort. You think we would have learned from "Prometheus". No one rigs the rings so that outsiders can't just ring in. Vala manages to escape the brig--and, of course, we aren't told how because, at this point, I don't think Damian Kindler or any of the others could come up with an explanation that anyone would actually believe. So let's just ignore it--something else this had in common with Farscape. On top of that, she takes out all of the security personnel there. You know, everyone on that ship should be busted back to airman basic/private, including Hammond.

Of course, they couldn't assassinate Vala's character, as we just met her. But they made her unlikeable enough that I'm not looking forward to the 5 eps next season.

How about some other stupidities/problems? Okay, first: they get this distress call. They hear one word--"Help"--and Daniel says, "It sounds human." Huh? It can't be the "English"; *everyone* out there speaks it. What made it sound human, vs. Tok'ra or Warick's people? or the guys that Daniel shot? Or the Nox? And so on and so forth. No explanation or reason offered for that comment at all--which comment is then followed by Reynolds saying that it was suspicious because it was a "human distress signal" from a Goa'uld ship. So, saying "help" makes it a *human* distress signal?

And, they haven't heard from the Pegasus galaxy, which is a bad sign. Did they really expect to hear from Atlantis in this amt of time? They knew that, unless Weir and her team could find a ZPM, there was no way they could contact Earth. So, silence for 6 months didn't really mean anything. But, hey, it gives everyone an excuse to get out there and act stupidly, right?


J.

UnderT
January 28th, 2005, 07:41 PM
I liked this episode too. There was alot of commedy through the whole thing but not to much. I thought the whole sneezing thing was annoying though.

How long before Teal'c gets stranded alone aboard the Prometheus?

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Wow... looking through this thread, I'm only just now noticing the completely opposite sides, here. Though there are a few that 'think it's pretty good' or 'decent' or 'okay' or 'better than last week's' or whatever, most either love it, or hate it, from where I'm standing.

I'll say this to those that disliked it vehemently -- your reasoning is justifiable and I agree there were some fairly major oddities with this episode. However, I don't believe that Vala was just one, big, walking sexual innuendo by any means. I think there's a great deal of depth behind her character and I look forward to exploring it.

People might think I could be biased, since I'm a hugely-influenced Scaper. I mean, wow. "Hey. It's Claudia Black. I now love this episode. In fact. I love Ben Browder's character. Because he's Ben. I don't care if I haven't even seen him yet. He is Ben Browder, and thusly, I like him."

No... it doesn't work that way, for me. When I heard Claudia would be on, yes, of course I was all ears. Then Ben? Wow. Heaven. But does this mean I'd just let those get the best of me and declare Prometheus Unbound ascended from the skies above, simply due to Vala's Aeryn Sun-esque persona? Nah.

I think Vala was incredibly entertaining in her own right. I think her interactions with Daniel were hilarious to watch -- but believable, nevertheless. There was a great deal of chemistry between them, and sure, it might have been more capitalized than it otherwise would have been, were this episode not clearly aimed at getting more Scapers into the Stargate franchise. But from the angle of a Scaper who's already quite engulfed in SG-1 and Atlantis, I can stay say... there were things in this episode that were wonderful, in my eyes.

Jace021903
January 28th, 2005, 07:50 PM
This was definately a change of pace episode. It didn't feel much like Stargate but I have to say that I enjoyed it for what it was--a little piece of fluff.

Great to see Hammond again.
Nice chemistry between Vala and Daniel.
Fun opening scene with Daniel and Jack.
Walter :)

A few things annoyed me--(hiccup), but the energy was fun and different so I had a good time watching it.

Jace

Buzz Lightyear
January 28th, 2005, 07:51 PM
God, I've missed Hammond.

-IMF

I've missed Hammond too, and after this episode, I still do.

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 07:52 PM
How long before Teal'c gets stranded alone aboard the Prometheus?

Season... eh... Nine, I believe. Probably in the second half. He'll be trapped there and will meet with the beautiful Chiana. Er...

NightGloom
January 28th, 2005, 08:00 PM
I missed Hammond too, but that's one of the things that I didn't like about the episode. It's nice that they tried to bring the character back, but if they do that again, they should try to include the character in the character. (if that makes any sense)

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 08:02 PM
I missed Hammond too, but that's one of the things that I didn't like about the episode. It's nice that they tried to bring the character back, but if they do that again, they should try to include the character in the character. (if that makes any sense)

Heck, I partially felt as though Hammond had some sort of death wish or something.

Bobthespirit
January 28th, 2005, 08:06 PM
I must say...this episode had me rolling my eyes bigtime.

What's her name's dialogue was unnecessarily sexual and designed around making her look cool without really doing anything that cool, and apparently Prometheus's brig is as pathetically easy to break out of as Voyager's.

If they wanted to have her escape, they should have at least showed us how she escaped. I hate it when characters do stuff offscreen, the only explanation given to us being 'she's just that cool'.

I also want to know how she managed to lock out a completely foreign computer system. They should have given an explanation like "This ship was designed partially based on gu'ald technology, and she had the knowledge of the gu'ald". Another thing I guess we're supposed to accept simply on the grounds that 'she's just that cool', but that happened so often in this episode that every part of the plot seemed totally arbitrary.

Stargate often tries to sell us a character's personality -- but in this episode, it was way too hard a sell.

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 08:15 PM
What about the fact that maybe they're simply trying to widen viewers' eyes now with her abilities of 'just that cool'ness, so that later on, when she's mainstay in Season Nine, we'll get to see the secrets behind the tricks. I mean, really, when Aeryn Sun in Farscape started off as simply a 'badass Peacekeeper who could do things no one really got' she was eventually fleshed out and by the end of the first year, it was understandable how, and why, she pulled the stunts she did.

If Vala really is similar to Aeryn Sun in several ways like they're aiming for from what I see, they'll undoubtedly treat the situation accordingly. For now, her just managing to get out offscreen was basically the writers' way of saying, 'look what she can do! You'll see how she's so proficient, later on.'

UnderT
January 28th, 2005, 08:29 PM
I thought it was awesome that they brought Hammond back, even if it was only for one episode, they need to bring him back more often. :)

Bobthespirit
January 28th, 2005, 08:30 PM
^^
That is a point, but it doesn't change that it just felt like the writers were making a really hard sell on the character. Used car dealers and timeshare peddlers don't make that hard a sell.

If they wanted us to think she was cool, they should have let the character and her actions speak for themselves rather than shoving all the sexual innuendos and self-interested-with-a-conscience-ness in our face so transparently deliberately.

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I think it was at times a bit too crudely thrown at us, too. Heh... it's good when two people on opposite sides of a spectrum can come to agree with a compromise, over situations like this. Doesn't happen enough.

Bobthespirit
January 28th, 2005, 09:42 PM
I thought of a better way to put it.

I felt the interaction between Daniel and Vala was extremely forced.

And the entire character of Vala seemed really unnatural.

Jeff O'Connor
January 28th, 2005, 10:04 PM
There are certain points by which I would tend to go along with those words. I'm glad we see eye to eye on things.

Madeleine
January 28th, 2005, 10:13 PM
I felt the interaction between Daniel and Vala was extremely forced.

Yup, Vala was definitely forceful ;).

Seriously, I know what you mean, but I rather liked that aspect of it. It was fun to see Daniel squirming (metaphorically and literally) at the brashness of Vala's approaches at him and at her coming onto him after knowing him for seven seconds.

And it was even more fun watching Vala clumsily try to charm and beguile a reaction from Daniel to get him distracted and dazed, and getting it so very wrong.

In fact I think that if the interaction hadn't felt forced the ep wouldn't have worked so well. There were a couple of scenes where the two of them were talking calmly which felt natural and good, so it's nice to see some potential for a development of their, um, 'relationship'; but the forcedness was an interesting and bold addition to the mix, i thought.

IMForeman
January 28th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Yup, Vala was definitely forceful ;).

Seriously, I know what you mean, but I rather liked that aspect of it. It was fun to see Daniel squirming (metaphorically and literally) at the brashness of Vala's approaches at him and at her coming onto him after knowing him for seven seconds.

And it was even more fun watching Vala clumsily try to charm and beguile a reaction from Daniel to get him distracted and dazed, and getting it so very wrong.

In fact I think that if the interaction hadn't felt forced the ep wouldn't have worked so well. There were a couple of scenes where the two of them were talking calmly which felt natural and good, so it's nice to see some potential for a development of their, um, 'relationship'; but the forcedness was an interesting and bold addition to the mix, i thought.

I think that's what I liked most about it. Vala seems aware that she's attractive, but no real clue about how to use it to her advantage. She sort of tries one thing, then another, and then falls back on violence. I also like that Daniel just didn't fall for any of it... his exasperation was totally in character, I felt... and understandable.

-IMF

Unas
January 28th, 2005, 11:37 PM
I didnt like the childish banter between Daniel and Vala. Vala seems to be able to read English, thus deepening the language problem.

Some complained about Sam (and to a lesser extent Tealc)'s stupidity in Gemini but the incompetence of the Prometheus crew is ridiculous. Vala made fools of them twice. They are suppose to be the elite of the air force.

This episode felt rushed. Vala upped and escaped at the very end without ever showing how she did it. The ending was just a means to make her reappear next season.

LoneStar1836
January 29th, 2005, 12:09 AM
I was chanting hurry up and end like after the first 15 minutes so Atlantis could hurry up and occupy my TV screen.

I didn’t particularly care for this episode, and I was trying to have positive thoughts going into this one thinking it might be good. But sadly I was disappointed. My whole problem with this episode was that it was off-beat and trying to be humorous. I think it could have been a better episode if it had been played out in a more SERIOUS tone thus practically necessitating a rewrite of the entire episode. And I love the campy shows when appropriate. Upgrades and Wormhole X-treme! are some of my favorites. But this one just didn’t work for me. Maybe I’ll develop a different opinion for it down the road after other viewings like has happened with other episodes I didn’t like upon first seeing.

My favorite part of the episode: Wally getting to fly the Al’kesh and shoot the bad guys. :D Oh and poor Daniel’s reaction to the “super-soldier” coming on to him. LOL. (Though it wasn’t quite as funny the second time since I had been spoiled on “Behind the Gate”) Followed by Col. Reynolds and the whole mouth-to-mouth scene with Gen. Hammond. Since this was an off-beat episode, I can live with the fact that a seasoned officer was acting like “Who me? Do that?” in order to elicit a laugh. If I was supposed to have taken this episode seriously, I would have been majorly PO’d because Reynolds is one of my favorites, and he wouldn’t act that way because he’s usually all business.

Yay. Hammond’s a three-star now, but come on, he never would have made that stupid decision to go himself to the cargo ship to retrieve the crystals. Yeah, okay it was a possible one-way trip, but that’s why generals lead and others follow. Considering the condition of the cargo ship, (no offense to the general) they should have sent someone younger and in better shape and who knew what they were looking for.

Geez, I know Daniel was the center of the episode, but honestly I can live without the sexual tone to this one. I’d hang on to Daniel, too in order to have some eye-candy for the trip ;), but I didn’t need the juvenile humor, the umm….catfight, and the flashback to the James Bond movie, “GoldenEye”, with the thighs of steel. :rolleyes: Since Vala is coming back for a 5 episode arc, they seriously better get SERIOUS with the character and drop most of the sexual innuendo between her and Daniel. I was hoping for more from the writers for CB and her character.

I think I’ll stop because I could go on ripping this episode apart (but others have expressed some of these dislikes so I’ll leave it at that), and I’d much rather not do that to a SG-1 episode, but this one was a stinker in my humble opinion. I think I would have liked this episode better if it had been more SERIOUS. Guess I was just expecting something else form this episode. I’m trying to stay positive about S8 while avoiding spoilers. I was looking forward to Gemini and came away less than satisfied, and I was really looking forward to this one and came away more disappointed than last week. I’m hoping for redemption with the huge story arc that is coming up at the end of the season with Reckoning, etc.

Thank the heavens for Atlantis. At least tonight was not a total bust for me.

Hyperspace
January 29th, 2005, 01:08 AM
I can see where some would say that SG-1 possibly would benefit from female writers...

Fun ep though...guilty pleasure.

Gategirl
January 29th, 2005, 03:56 AM
I loved this episode! Hit her again, Daniel!!! That was priceless!! And was it just me or did anyone else love the "MR. Bean" squish her head bit? Now THAT was a Jack moment, and the Hans Olo was too, but I have no problem with Daniel developing a little humor. Don't we all want to be funny like Jack? He's just rubbing off on everyone, that's all it is!

LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS EPISODE!

Carole
January 29th, 2005, 04:19 AM
I loved this episode, especially the openeing scene with Jack, Daniel & Hammond. More please.

This was the best 'fun' episode I have seen. Each season you have your clip show and your fun show. This season they have both been exceptional.

Carole
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"Come on Daniel, you've seen me naked, the least you can do is cook me dinner" - Vala - Prometheus Unbound.

Hathor999
January 29th, 2005, 04:57 AM
The best thing about PU it´s...that´s I will no longer be sad about Jack´s absence in season 9: So I have at least no reason to watch this crap anymore...Some people compared PU with "American Pie" and I think that it´s a good comparsion. Comparing it with Farscape would be an insult: Farscape tried to sell itself as a campy, "adult" show (what was maybe the reason because it was never a real success) but it was still intelligent and mostly well written but PU it´s just a bunch of bad jokes and pseudo-erotic fight scenes.
I suppose that this episode was something like a look into the crystal ball which gave us a example of what season 9 will be...I doubt that I will come back for it...

Daniel's_twin
January 29th, 2005, 05:02 AM
If it's a glimpse into the future of SG-1, then I think that it's gonna come back with a vengence. Hopefully, tho, it won't have those sex-jokes. It was funny, but I don't think I could put up with that on a weekly basis. :cool:

Hathor999
January 29th, 2005, 05:08 AM
If it's a glimpse into the future of SG-1, then I think that it's gonna come back with a vengence. Hopefully, tho, it won't have those sex-jokes. It was funny, but I don't think I could put up with that on a weekly basis. :cool:

Believe me they will...And I doubt that this kind of episodes will be better when they do more of it. When they try to turn Stargate into Farscape they should bring in the Farscape writers, they knowed at least how to write this kind of stuff!

kiyuchan
January 29th, 2005, 05:11 AM
I think a lot of people are taking the episode too seriously...well, less the actual episode, and more its signifigance in the overarching intent of the series. I think it was just a way to let off steam before the end of the season. I don't think it's the "new direction" the show is going(I DID enjoy this ep a lot, though). And for those worrying about this being "Daniel's Episode"...remember that Threads is still on the way.
:)

rnwhocares
January 29th, 2005, 05:27 AM
WOW!! I think you guys are pretty harsh. This was a really fun episode, much better than Gemini!! The only thing I didn't care for was the hesitation of Col. Reynolds to give CPR to the General.

ac24
January 29th, 2005, 06:05 AM
maybe, this is a ploy with the writers, make sg-1 not good show, whereas sgA has better writing. :)

GaterGina71
January 29th, 2005, 06:32 AM
I enjoyed it. I thought it was funny. Every season they do one, something silly and a little off color. I for one like the fact that you can tell someone in tptb is paying attention to the fan following. There were many situations that were similar to things that fans have discussed on bboards or written in fanifc's. Whether you liked it or didn't, it let me know they are paying attention to the fans. And remember, you can't please everyone all the time, so give em a break.

bravesmom63
January 29th, 2005, 07:30 AM
I enjoyed it. I thought it was funny. Every season they do one, something silly and a little off color. I for one like the fact that you can tell someone in tptb is paying attention to the fan following. There were many situations that were similar to things that fans have discussed on bboards or written in fanifc's. Whether you liked it or didn't, it let me know they are paying attention to the fans. And remember, you can't please everyone all the time, so give em a break.

I'm with you, Ginalynn. The part with him tied to the chair was straight out of the DJ Thunk Thread! ;) I watched this ep in the spirit in which it was written and LMAO. I had a lot fewer complaints about it than I did about Gemini last week.

binkpmmc
January 29th, 2005, 07:56 AM
when she's mainstay in Season Nine,

God forbid - 5 episodes will be 5 too many, IMO, if they continue in this vain.
IMO, they need to rewrite this character and just pretend CB was not on the show before and just recast her as the new character for 5 shows (hhmmm, sounds like a familiar enough stunt).

slipstream
January 29th, 2005, 08:08 AM
I guess I liked the episode. I liked that Daniel Jackson was focused on. I thought it was great that Hammond got a chance to return and I hope to see him again. I loved the special effects. I thought Vala was attractive and intriguing.....tho I doubt she could really take down daniel........

Overall it was okay altho the story needed better explaining about what her real motive was.

Skydiver
January 29th, 2005, 08:10 AM
Character assassination? We had Sam last week. This week it was Hammond, Daniel and Reynolds (to name three). Hammond's behavior at the beginning of the ep was improper, disrespectful to a subordinate who is also a general and a commander of an important base and totally out-of-character. Some fans have complained that Jack, as a general, lacked Hammond's gravitas. Not after this ep he doesn't. It was unbelievable that he would walk in and grab two members of Jack's command without discussing it with Jack first.




yes, while i was initially glad to see hammond back, he was a jerk. If general vidrine strolled into hammond's office and just blithly informed him that, despite his protests, i'm taking two of your major staff members (and hey, if you interpret daniel as the second in command of the base, that's even ruder, imho) and while i'm at it i'm gonna take your chair, we'd be railing about how disrespectful and rude Vidrine was

That's what hammond was. he totally disrespected jack. I think we had h ammond the pod person because the nice paternal general we've known for 7 years wouldn't have treated jack that way