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Champos
May 11th, 2004, 10:41 PM
The original movie was a classic. Highlander had a good story, a great soundtrack, sword-fighting, Sean Connery - most near everything you could wish for. Then they had to go and to the second film, and the third, and the TV series, and the fourth film... The trouble is the original film was sort of a one-of-a-kind. Regardless of the respective merits (or not) of the rest of the franchise, Highlander (in my mind) lived by the original maxim of "There can be only one". I always felt that way about the films too. What does anyone else think?

KatG
May 12th, 2004, 06:58 AM
I got into the series first, about six episodes into Season 1. Really liked it, up until the last year, then it kind of got silly and went down hill. Saw the first movie around the end of Season 2, and basically figured that you had to look at it as an alternate universe since Connor shows back up in the series. Then saw Movie #2, thought it was good, and managed to tie in to the first one. Then came #3, another alternate timeline apparently. And let's not even talk about #4. I just try real hard to pretend it never happened.

Newbie
May 12th, 2004, 06:27 PM
i was watching in compony of my sister, it was fun...but i never REALLY got into, it...but i'm alway sglad to see the movies ;)

Capt. Rivet
May 12th, 2004, 07:13 PM
I loved the first movie (Christopher Lambert rules, by the way.) The Quickening was a little off... but The Final Demension was actually pretty good, in my opinion. As for Endgame... well, I'd just like to ignore the fact that it even exists. I watched the series a few times, but for some reason I just couldn't get into it.

Hatusu
May 15th, 2004, 09:38 PM
I loved the first movie (Christopher Lambert rules, by the way.) The Quickening was a little off... but The Final Demension was actually pretty good, in my opinion. As for Endgame... well, I'd just like to ignore the fact that it even exists. I watched the series a few times, but for some reason I just couldn't get into it.
I loved the concept. Of course I have Scottish ancestry waaay back. Christopher Lambert and Adrian Paul were both wonderful. I miss it.

Slighty to the left of the subject...isn't my avatar Adrian Paul's wife in real life? I saw her on "Highlander" a couple times. When she played the Jaffa priestess on "Stargate SG1". I thought I recognised her, but I don't know her name.

Challenge. Can anyone name another actor who was on "Highlander", the series. and "Stargate, SG1", in a recurring role on both shows?

Capt. Rivet
May 15th, 2004, 10:38 PM
Slighty to the left of the subject...isn't my avatar Adrian Paul's wife in real life? I saw her on "Highlander" a couple times. When she played the Jaffa priestess on "Stargate SG1". I thought I recognised her, but I don't know her name. Musetta Vander. I don't know what her relationship to Adrian Paul is... but I seem to remember her being in one of the Mortal kombat films (the one without Christopher Lambert, ironically.) I'm not entirely sure how/why I remember that... I haven't seen either of those movies in years :p

Hatusu
May 16th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Musetta Vander. I don't know what her relationship to Adrian Paul is... but I seem to remember her being in one of the Mortal kombat films (the one without Christopher Lambert, ironically.) I'm not entirely sure how/why I remember that... I haven't seen either of those movies in years :p
Well I looked, and I was wrong. Her name is Meilani Paul. She was in "The Butterfly Effect" this year.

Musetta Vander has been on everything science fiction and fantasy, including "Highlander", so now I understand the mix-up.

And, yes, she was in "Mortal Combat".

Ann_Ominous
May 18th, 2004, 09:32 PM
Challenge. Can anyone name another actor who was on "Highlander", the series. and "Stargate, SG1", in a recurring role on both shows?

Oh easy. The oh so thunkable Peter Wingfield, aka Methos/Adam and Tannith/Hebron. :) IMHO where the series went wrong in the last season was when they decided to play up Amanda :S and give her the spin-off series instead of Methos.

Bast
May 19th, 2004, 04:44 AM
There is Joe Black Duncan Mclouds watcher,Methos the ancient imortal who so happend to also play Tannith on stargate Sg1.Amanda the theif Imortal who eventually gets her own series Highlander the raven which gets caned after season1

Endgame was Poop! Connor Mcloud getting killed by Duncan because he forced him into a deul to the death so that atleast one of them would be strong enough to kill Khalis.It was sh*t , I would have hoped for Connor and Duncan to fight together instead of this stupidness.

Hatusu
May 19th, 2004, 09:08 PM
Oh easy. The oh so thunkable Peter Wingfield, aka Methos/Adam and Tannith/Hebron. :) IMHO where the series went wrong in the last season was when they decided to play up Amanda :S and give her the spin-off series instead of Methos.
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Champos
May 20th, 2004, 01:56 AM
Does anyone agree that the second film in many ways reduced Highlander to a much more.. I' don't know, infantile level? It just seemed to be making a joke of the whole thing, the whole coming from another planet thing... it was stupid. Especially since Connor and Ramirez wer both called Connor and Ramirez on their home planet. And then what? They just HAPPENED to be transplanted into cultures where those names were common? That bit really TICKED me off!!!

SaberBlade
May 20th, 2004, 03:16 AM
nothing after the original movie compares to it.

the second was ok, it tied into the first which was ok but the alien immortals part sucked. the hoverboard fight was cool but other than that it didn't have anything great. the third was just a mess. it took nothing from the past 2 movies into consideration. Endgame was ok to me. i don't consider it the 4 movie but as a sequel to the series which i liked and occasionally watch and because i don't consider it to the the 4th movie i don't compare it to the first but to the series.

a 5th movie is also being done and is called Highlander: The Source. considering it isn't called Highlander 4 or 5, i won't consider it a part of the movie but as a part of the series and considering it has Paul Wingfield as Methos it is probably going to be a sequel to Endgame/the series and not the first 3 movies

i did like the animated series, but hey, i was 10 when i watched it

KatG
May 20th, 2004, 04:23 AM
There is Joe Black Duncan Mclouds watcher.

Duncan's watcher was Joe Dawson. :)

Champos
May 20th, 2004, 06:10 PM
nothing after the original movie compares to it.

the second was ok, it tied into the first which was ok but the alien immortals part sucked. the hoverboard fight was cool but other than that it didn't have anything great. the third was just a mess. it took nothing from the past 2 movies into consideration. Endgame was ok to me. i don't consider it the 4 movie but as a sequel to the series which i liked and occasionally watch and because i don't consider it to the the 4th movie i don't compare it to the first but to the series.

I actually thought more of the third film than I did the second. Sure, there were a lot of problems with it, but I still preferred it to the second which, though it MAY seem to tie-in better, just didn't really do it for me like I said. I didn't fully understand the fourth film completely as I hadn't seen much of the series, but I'd say that in my opinion it wasn't great.



a 5th movie is also being done and is called Highlander: The Source. considering it isn't called Highlander 4 or 5, i won't consider it a part of the movie but as a part of the series and considering it has Paul Wingfield as Methos it is probably going to be a sequel to Endgame/the series and not the first 3 movies

i did like the animated series, but hey, i was 10 when i watched it

I actually thought more of the third film than I did the second. Sure, there were a lot of problems with it, but I still preferred it to the second which, though it MAY seem to tie-in better, just didn't really do it for me like I said. I didn't fully understand the fourth film completely as I hadn't seen much of the series, but I'd say that in my opinion it wasn't great.

Could it be a prequel? If it's looking at Methos it'd be quite interesting to explore his Four Horsemen phase if that hadn't been covered already in the series. I assume Christopher Lambert won't be in it if it is a sequel, what with him being dead and all that, but it's not really Highlander without him.
And the animated series was fun.

Flyboy
May 21st, 2004, 12:01 AM
I'm actually quite confused.

I saw Highlander, and I loved it. Then I saw Highlander End game...

What other movies of them have there been and what's the synopsis?

Champos
May 21st, 2004, 12:13 AM
Briefly,
Highlander II: The quickening was set 50 or so years in the future. It turns out that the Immortals were convicts sent from an alien world, sent here as punishment, but whoever wins the prize has the choice between living out a normal life and eventually dying, or returning home. Connor chose the former. The evil emperor guy who sent them here discovers that Connor won the prize and, thinking he's going to return home, sends agents to Earth to kill him. The now old Connor kills these two and receives a Quickening, which also brings back Ramirez (who I feel sorry for). The Emperor guy himself comes to Earth and sets himself up as a bad guy, Connor eventually defeats him.

Highlander III (can't remember the name): set about nine years after the first film, it completely ignores the second. It's about a Chinese immortal who's been trapped in a cave for the past four hundred years and comes out somewhat upset and looking for Connor. He has some impressive powers of illusion and uses these quite a lot. He kidnaps Connor's adopted son for bait. He and Connor fight, Connor wins, quel surprise!

Basically the first one was the best and it went downhill from there.

Bast
May 21st, 2004, 01:06 PM
Highlander II was crap , Everything in it was completely written out of the story ,the imortals in the TV series have no mention of planet Zeist,The Imortality is caused by a supernatural energy force that changes some individuals genes to make them imortal and regenerate 100x faster then a normal person, Killing another imortal and claiming his energy force makes you stronger.

Mr Prophet
May 21st, 2004, 01:15 PM
"It all began five hundred yearsh ago on the planet Zeisht; three thousand yearsh after I wash born in Egypt, but whoshe counting, eh? Shomebody call my agent; I want more money for this crap!"

Capt. Rivet
May 21st, 2004, 04:05 PM
"It all began five hundred yearsh ago on the planet Zeisht; three thousand yearsh after I wash born in Egypt, but whoshe counting, eh? Shomebody call my agent; I want more money for this crap!"

hahahahaha!!!!!!11

Hatusu
May 21st, 2004, 09:49 PM
Highlander II was crap , Everything in it was completely written out of the story ,the imortals in the TV series have no mention of planet Zeist,The Imortality is caused by a supernatural energy force that changes some individuals genes to make them imortal and regenerate 100x faster then a normal person, Killing another imortal and claiming his energy force makes you stronger.I saw "Highlander II", then put it out of my mind. It messed with the whole mythology. "III" was almost as bad. For me, It's the original movie, the series and "Endgame". The middle two don't exist.

Hey Mr. Prophet, Sir... Good Sean Connery! :D

Mr Prophet
May 22nd, 2004, 12:16 AM
I saw "Highlander II", then put it out of my mind. It messed with the whole mythology. "III" was almost as bad. For me, It's the original movie, the series and "Endgame". The middle two don't exist.

Hey Mr. Prophet, Sir... Good Sean Connery! :D

Ta.

I'm not sure about Endgame. I mean, sure it's probably the second best Highlander film, but that's not much of a claim. What's up with the chick surviving, anyway? That's so clearly a recut. I'm also disappointed that they never do anything with the fact that - including his goons - the bad guy has killed 666 other immortals.

For a longer consideration of this topic, check out The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A600463); an article I wrote for H2G2 on this very subject.

KatG
May 22nd, 2004, 11:50 AM
For me, It's the original movie, the series and "Endgame".


But the series totally negates what happened in the first movie.

Bast
May 22nd, 2004, 04:22 PM
The Highlander movies were really just retarded action slasher films, The First movie waisnt too bad it had a bit of humour and lots of action and plenty of sword fights and little bit of romance and Drama. Never scene highlander II or III, I saw Endgame which waisnt too bad besides the fact Connor dies by Duncans blade.

The TV series was the best , It always had interesting stories and dealt with the issues of being Imortal . Duncan MacLeod was a much more sleeker character with alot of Wit.

Highlander the raven was pure crap! Since there is no Highlander like the MacLeods whats the point of calling it Highlander?

Jill_Ion
May 23rd, 2004, 01:44 PM
Highlander (yes, there can be only one!) the movie was excellent. It wasn't a slasher film, ala Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elmstreet. It was a great action film, with cool sword fights, an incredible soundtrack thanks to Queen, and a neat storyline. Add Sean Connery, Christopher Lambert, and Clancy Brown and it's one of my fave movies.

2 and 3 totally sucked and don't exist for me. 4 was good only to see Adrian Paul, Paul Wingfield, and Jim Byrnes.

The series was very good, but lost me after Tess' death. I thought her & Duncan's love was so wonderful--it was refreshing to see a main male character with only one love interest. Then she died. And Richie lived?! Cuz he was an immortal?! I stopped watching it for a while, then came back when Joe and Methos joined the scene. (Roger Daltrey was cool too.) I always thought the Watchers were interesting, because I'm also a Buffy fan, with its Watcher's Council, and an Anne Rice fan, with the Talamasca. What's with groups of stuffy Englishmen keeping an eye on the preternatural?!

I don't see the series as negating the original Highlander movie. It was more like an alternate universe, where Connor had never battled The Kurgan. It had to be that way for the show to even exist, so I was OK with it. Kinda like Stargate SG-1 had to "discover" there were other planets to visit besides Abydos so the series could exist.

KatG
May 23rd, 2004, 02:49 PM
I don't see the series as negating the original Highlander movie. It was more like an alternate universe, where Connor had never battled The Kurgan. It had to be that way for the show to even exist, so I was OK with it. Kinda like Stargate SG-1 had to "discover" there were other planets to visit besides Abydos so the series could exist.

Looking at the series as an alternate universe is the only way I can resolve the issues.

I agree that the series was the best. It's what got me hooked. In fact I didn't even know there was a movie until after S1. The series did kind of bog down for awhile after Tessa's death, but picked up when they added Methos, Joe and Amanda. Still it lost me the last year, it just got a bit too silly.

Bast
May 23rd, 2004, 07:31 PM
Sleep well knowing Richie dies!

Mr Prophet
May 24th, 2004, 10:12 AM
The series was very good, but lost me after Tess' death. I thought her & Duncan's love was so wonderful--it was refreshing to see a main male character with only one love interest. Then she died. And Richie lived?! Cuz he was an immortal?! I stopped watching it for a while, then came back when Joe and Methos joined the scene. (Roger Daltrey was cool too.) I always thought the Watchers were interesting, because I'm also a Buffy fan, with its Watcher's Council, and an Anne Rice fan, with the Talamasca. What's with groups of stuffy Englishmen keeping an eye on the preternatural?!

Well who else do we trust to do it?

I actually thought that some of the post-'Richie is an immortal' stuff was well done, because McLeod really laid into him for being a grade-A pillock. Sad to say, I missed Richie's last bow.