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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#006699"><B>COLD LAZARUS</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 106</FONT>
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The team discovers a crystaline alien species with the capability of assuming human form. O'Neill comes to terms with the death of his son.

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omnian
June 11th, 2004, 11:28 AM
This was a very strange episode but I loved it anyway. I think the story is great too.

I wonder what happened to the Unity after that......

KorbenDirewolf
June 11th, 2004, 11:32 AM
The Unity moved into the Bottomless Hole for Ideas Never to Be Revisited, later joined by the Oannes, the Re'tu and numerous other individuals, cultures and ideas.

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 03:41 AM
I felt that this was a "Still finding our feet" episode. It was a bit of a neutral ep. for me.

bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 01:41 PM
I was really surprised that they allowed the Unity to go see Sara, I would have thought that that would be a big "no, no", especially considering the top secret nature of the project.

I really liked it when teal'c tried to take his staff weapon with him.

Hammond: 'Sorry, Teal'c, I can't let you take that with you'
Teal'c: 'I have seen your world, I will need it.' :D

Newbie
June 12th, 2004, 01:58 PM
Yeah I love this episode for introducing us to Jack, even more... and Teal'c...*remembers when Teal'c turned on the TV*

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 06:59 PM
The only planet that doesn't look like a Canadian forest.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Did anyone figure out what that yellow stuff is?

Bagpuss
July 19th, 2004, 02:20 AM
I think it was filmed at a sulphur mine/quarry in B.C.
I'll check back with a link later,as I know there's a piccie and a name given !

#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Edited to add: Forgot the bloomin' link,but the info's from AT's Official Website.(Sets and locations page).
Pic of "Sulfur Pits" (ep Cold Lazarus) North Vancouver.

Hope this helps! :D

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Thanks for the answer... sulfur... stinky

KorbenDirewolf
July 30th, 2004, 06:35 AM
erm... yellow sand. Probably with a high sulfur content.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 01:16 PM
One of my fav eps, i like seeing O'Neill in his natural life. Also, is it just me or does Teal'c look wired on that episode photo?

Crazedwraith
September 4th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Did anyone figure out what that yellow stuff is?
Its a novle thing called...Sand.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Lol, yes, anything small and grainy is sand, but it could be something elce if you know what i mean.

SeaBee
September 17th, 2004, 11:31 AM
The planet shots were filmed at a sulpher processing plant near Vancouver.

Lord Zedd
September 19th, 2004, 06:00 AM
This was not a good episode,not bad also but yeah the beginning eh

Spiderman
September 19th, 2004, 07:40 AM
I didn't like the episode also _Anubis.It was boring but cool effects.What do you mean with the beginning?

zats
September 19th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Sweet! Sad! Pretty darn good!

What was good:

a. The crystals. Do ya 'spose they were plastic or what? My grow-you-own-crystal kits NEVER do that well...curses.

b. Great plot line--the talking crystals were certainly a shock. Pity we've never revisited them. Grrr.

c. Charlie! That kid was cute!

d. Sara. I was forcing my cousin to go through the Season I set with me, Sara pops up onscreen, and the first thing he says is, "wow, is that Sam?!" Hint, hint.

e. Teal'c. It's kinda sad when T turns on the TV set to the riot god-knows-where and your dad gets misty-eyed and says, "Hey!--I was there. Oh, for the good old days..." Try, Oh, for crying out loud...!

f. Was that really AT's voice in the talking-crystal scene? It sounds like hers run through some sort of sythesizer.

g. Jack throwing the pillow at the camera. I've always wanted to do that.

What wasn't so good:

a. Let's face it...the ep was sweet but mildly boring.

SeaBee
September 25th, 2004, 05:06 AM
What wasn't so good:

a. Let's face it...the ep was sweet but mildly boring.
I agree. A bit of an up and down episode, OK, but only just.

sueKay
September 27th, 2004, 01:55 PM
I LOVE this episode

I think in this episode (particulary the flashbacks) we got to see a bit of the real Jack O'Neill - a happy family manwith a wife and child. I think he's now playing about with a facade, pretending to be stupid.

I wish TPTB would revisit the Charlie storyling. I think that Jack has healed a lot since Charlie's death, but I still think he has some issues there, and always will have. It seems to have been forgotten too easily.

The crystals were also fun. I'd show one a piccy of Jack and grow my own Jack clone with no THD!!! (don't ask!)

Uncle Dick
September 27th, 2004, 03:56 PM
I wish TPTB would revisit the Charlie storyling. I think that Jack has healed a lot since Charlie's death, but I still think he has some issues there, and always will have. It seems to have been forgotten too easily.

It seems to me like they're always revisiting the Charlie storyline. Jack has a tendancy to project his desire to see his son again on every young moppet that passes through the stargate (see Show and Tell, Learning Curve, any Skaara episode). He's had a whole movie to get over his suicidal tendancies and another full episode to work things out with his ex-wife. I'd like to think that this is one personal demon Jack has left behind.

Totally agree with you about Dumb Jack, though. He doesn't have to understand everything Carter talks about, but the least he could do is act *normal* as he does for the length of this episode.

Other great things about this episode:
Yellow sand planet! The blue on yellow contrast gave the offworld scenes a truly otherworldly feel.
Teal'c ventures off base (without wearing a novelty hat).
Movie references galore.
A cool and unusual alien.
Great acting by RDA.
Supurb SFX work (Jack/Charlie morph, energy bolts, etc.)

sueKay
September 28th, 2004, 02:32 AM
It seems to me like they're always revisiting the Charlie storyline. Jack has a tendancy to project his desire to see his son again on every young moppet that passes through the stargate (see Show and Tell, Learning Curve, any Skaara episode). He's had a whole movie to get over his suicidal tendancies and another full episode to work things out with his ex-wife. I'd like to think that this is one personal demon Jack has left behind.

Totally agree with you about Dumb Jack, though. He doesn't have to understand everything Carter talks about, but the least he could do is act *normal* as he does for the length of this episode.

Other great things about this episode:
Yellow sand planet! The blue on yellow contrast gave the offworld scenes a truly otherworldly feel.
Teal'c ventures off base (without wearing a novelty hat).
Movie references galore.
A cool and unusual alien.
Great acting by RDA.
Supurb SFX work (Jack/Charlie morph, energy bolts, etc.)


Completely agree, except the Charlie issue. That's just my opinion though :p!

Awesome episode - no argument from me!

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 09:11 AM
I really enjoyed this episode too. Sometimes you get tired of just seeing humans on other planets. Well, I'd say that these blue crystals are definitely non-humanoid (at least until you touch them)

I don't know about the yellow playsand, though. It kind of gave it a Star Trek original series feel in my opinion. It just didn't look quite right.

Teal'c gets his first glimpse of Earth in the show, we get to see how Charlie's incident happened, and we see some great acting by RDA. Very, very good. :cool:

zats
October 29th, 2004, 02:45 PM
I agree. A bit of an up and down episode, OK, but only just.

And in any case, there've been worse ones. Grr. :rolleyes:

jckfan55
October 29th, 2004, 03:38 PM
The crystals were kind of a cool idea & I found some of the scenes quite touching.

WraithWarrior
November 15th, 2004, 02:35 AM
Good episode, it was good showing Jack happy and with his family. Crystals were cool

Lord Zedd
November 16th, 2004, 11:01 AM
Good episode, it was good showing Jack happy and with his family. Crystals were cool
yeah but I wonder what about Sara she saw 2 Jack's and Charlie and knows about the stargate !! :eek:

zats
December 3rd, 2004, 06:55 PM
I don't know about the yellow playsand, though. It kind of gave it a Star Trek original series feel in my opinion. It just didn't look quite right.

You say Star Trek like it's a bad thing...! :eek:

Daniel's_twin
December 3rd, 2004, 07:22 PM
With Kirk, without a doubt. Can't stand nothin' of his series but the Trouble with Tribbles. :cool: :cool:

zats
December 5th, 2004, 02:52 PM
Doing my best to bite my tongue...

Daniel's_twin
December 5th, 2004, 06:14 PM
What'? you can't honestly say that he did a good job. And the stories did pretty much stink. Very few are worth watching, unless you are a completely devoted Trekkie.

No offense meant to anyone. IMHO, the first series stank with the stench of Netu. :cool:

Matt G
December 6th, 2004, 06:07 AM
And I'll back you up on that. Even my Mum would and she's the family Trekker(she originally got put off Trek by Kirk, it took a certain bald guy for Trek to redeem itself in her eyes). The films involving Kirk's crew are generally decent. Some of the books are good as well. But Trek TOS is only good for ripping the p out of.

zats
December 6th, 2004, 02:12 PM
And I can't talk at all, having hardly seen any Star Trek (had you going, didn't I?). I like the basic premise, and I saw a few of the movies on a marathon--a marathon that I saw because I was home sick with a fever of 102. Consequently I don't remember much of it. I just defend Star Trek because...I'll get back to you on this one. Maybe 'cause it's a classic. I dunno.

Gee, this was pointless, wasn't it?

ShimmeringStar
December 19th, 2004, 05:07 PM
I liked that it was the first episode that (as far as the series goes) we learned more about Sarah & Charlie. And that the team, who’d only been together for a matter of months by this 6th episode (based on a dialogue line of Sam’s in the ep.) also were able to learn more about Jack’s private life since he’d kept very quiet about it. Even Daniel admitted to only knowing a wee bit about it at that point in the show.

Yep Zats… Sarah did remind me of Sam too, tinkering with her car, in her overall demeanor, and in general looks… :)

lionel_pendergast_rocks
January 3rd, 2005, 05:09 PM
I was watching this episode again today, and i noticed something that i had never noticed before. This was when Teal'c, sam and Danny are in the gate room and Teal'c shoots the crystal there with his staff weapon. The alarms go off and Teal'c exclaims, "You had permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gate room?". Sam and Danny are all "Yeah, sure, uh, we did." I don't know why i never saw this before, but i just laughed so hard.

Beatrice Otter
January 4th, 2005, 05:22 PM
What'? you can't honestly say that he did a good job. And the stories did pretty much stink. Very few are worth watching, unless you are a completely devoted Trekkie.

No offense meant to anyone. IMHO, the first series stank with the stench of Netu. :cool:
The thing about classic Star Trek that you absolutely cannot forget, was that it was the first sf television show besides Twilight Zone that both took itself seriously as a quality show (at least for the first two seasons) and was written and produced by people who knew science fiction well and dared to handle current events in a serious fashion. They were a quantum leap above every previous sf television show (except the Twilight Zone). Yes, compared to today's shows it was campy, overacted, and often just plain bad (which could be said of most late-sixties tv shows). Their handling of morals and themes could be ham-handed (but still better than later Trek series' blandly-mouthed platitudes!). The sets and set design were oftem literally composed of articles pulled out of dumpsters of other shows and spray-painted to look 'alien' (though according to the aesthetic of its time, it looked cool). And the acting often ... had problems. But without it, sf tv as we know it would not be possible.

I'm not saying it was a great show by today's standards. Just that it was outstanding by the standards of its time, and paved the way for the shows I'd rather watch.

Daniel's_twin
January 4th, 2005, 05:35 PM
I'm just one of the newer generations, and maybe I could have taken the show. I've dealt with kinda bad storylines on TNG. It is just Kirk. I dislike him so much, it's almost un-Christian. :cool:

Ajayrious
January 11th, 2005, 09:59 AM
I love TNG, grew up on it, and season 1 apart remains my favourite sci fi show..

Stargate is close though..

anyway back on topic.. anyone else notice that the effect they used as the energy coming from the crystal to turn into duplicate o'neill ( the first ) is the same as the one they use for the ascended.. maybe the crystals and the ascended are connected somehow..

Galluslass
January 12th, 2005, 09:03 AM
Yeah, I noticed the 'glowy' thing looked kinda familiar.
I watched this ep yesterday. Was good seeing how little Sam knew about Jack and Daniel having to fill her in with the details.

Watched the Nox today, stupidly expecting Fire and Water (must've read the wrong ep number in Sky One's website. The descriptions are less than basic) I'd totally forgotten the extent of the Nox's Bed Heads. :eek:

It's hard, but I'm trying to catch as much of S1 as I can - some of it I've never seen (like F&W) and the contrast between S8 and S1 is...well, it's as it should be...it's different. Even Jack's hair...um...colour.

Can't believe how many times SG1 get injured in S1 compared to S6,7,8. Maybe it's not trendy for the writers to include it now. :(
Maybe it's just me.

Albion
January 13th, 2005, 04:53 AM
Another favourite. A beautifully crafted character study and very poignant. And Jack's response when he returns from the planet never fails to make me laugh. Especially the expression on his face when he's hauled bodily off the ramp by the SFs. LOL! And the scene with Teal'c, Sam and Daniel when they fire the staff weapon and the bewildered "So's yours" from Daniel, when Teal'c complains that Earth is a weird place.

There is something that always makes me wince though and that's the awkward, clumsy dialogue when Daniel fills Sam in on Jack's past and Charlie's death. It makes Sam look callous and uncaring. A kind of "Oh dear, how sad. Oh well, never mind, look a cool crystal!". And later, the same lack in the writing gives the same impression when she reports to Jack that she has a theory the alien might have gone to find Sara. I know that the fact that it's radioactive is important, but Sam adds in this fact like it's some kind of casual afterthought, with no real sense that she has any inkling this could be potentially dangerous for Sara and little sense of urgency. It's a weird little moment of delivery that always strikes a sour note for me.

And then there's that poor crystal! It tells them its energy is fading and that if it doesn't get back to its planet it will die - So, do they react immediately with concern and dash it back to the gate and home so it will live? Nope. They all collectively turn their backs on it, start discussing the revelations it's given them, and leave it there! Hey, folks, hello, dying alien life form sitting on the desk here!

But these little quibbles aside, this is one of the highlights of the season for me. A great episode.

Albion :)

jckfan55
January 13th, 2005, 12:50 PM
And then there's that poor crystal! It tells them its energy is fading and that if it doesn't get back to its planet it will die - So, do they react immediately with concern and dash it back to the gate and home so it will live? Nope. They all collectively turn their backs on it, start discussing the revelations it's given them, and leave it there! Hey, folks, hello, dying alien life form sitting on the desk here!


Albion :)
Good point.

zats
January 14th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Maybe they needed a new paperweight.

SmartFox
February 10th, 2005, 05:01 PM
yeah but I wonder what about Sara she saw 2 Jack's and Charlie and knows about the stargate !! :eek:

There was obviously some time after where Jack talked to Sara that we didnt see.


My question is how did the jaffa move the crystals with out getting shocked and stuff. Also why did they leave one crystal unbroken. Its not like it was away from the others.

gone_fishin'
February 15th, 2005, 12:25 AM
This ep _can_ be accussed of sappiness but I've always loved the fact that SG has been willing to wear its heart on its sleeve in a way that say...ooh, Voyager or some such could never pull off. We all hurt and we all have baggage -- SG1 is one of the few shows to remember this.
Script a little clunky and finding its feet at times sure, but anyone who has kids and doesn't get choked here has got to be harsh.
moving acting by RDA.

Beatrice Otter
February 15th, 2005, 09:16 AM
This ep _can_ be accussed of sappiness but I've always loved the fact that SG has been willing to wear its heart on its sleeve in a way that say...ooh, Voyager or some such could never pull off. We all hurt and we all have baggage -- SG1 is one of the few shows to remember this.
Script a little clunky and finding its feet at times sure, but anyone who has kids and doesn't get choked here has got to be harsh.
moving acting by RDA.
About the clunkiness of the script:

Most SF shows need a season or two to get their head on straight and figure out what they're doing. The first season or so, the writing is usually spotty, as is the acting, and sets and costumes tend to be on the cheesy side as everyone settles into their roles and figures out how to work together (TNG, SG-1, and DS9 are prime examples, as is B5 to a lesser extent). So I always give the first season or so of a new show some slack. This is first season, and fairly early first season at that.

zats
February 18th, 2005, 11:44 AM
This ep _can_ be accussed of sappiness but I've always loved the fact that SG has been willing to wear its heart on its sleeve in a way that say...ooh, Voyager or some such could never pull off. We all hurt and we all have baggage -- SG1 is one of the few shows to remember this.


SG-1 remembering baggage is one of the things that makes it so good--if I couldn't write on or even ponder over various charcter demons, I'd be bored to death with it. The fact that said demons aren't in ever episode keeps it from getting bogged down (I haven't seen much Andromeda, but the eps I have caught seemed to be like that), but mixing a few in every so often keeps we devoted fans onboard.

hermajesty
February 26th, 2005, 07:32 AM
There is something that always makes me wince though and that's the awkward, clumsy dialogue when Daniel fills Sam in on Jack's past and Charlie's death. It makes Sam look callous and uncaring. A kind of "Oh dear, how sad. Oh well, never mind, look a cool crystal!". And later, the same lack in the writing gives the same impression when she reports to Jack that she has a theory the alien might have gone to find Sara. I know that the fact that it's radioactive is important, but Sam adds in this fact like it's some kind of casual afterthought, with no real sense that she has any inkling this could be potentially dangerous for Sara and little sense of urgency. It's a weird little moment of delivery that always strikes a sour note for me.

And then there's that poor crystal! It tells them its energy is fading and that if it doesn't get back to its planet it will die - So, do they react immediately with concern and dash it back to the gate and home so it will live? Nope. They all collectively turn their backs on it, start discussing the revelations it's given them, and leave it there! Hey, folks, hello, dying alien life form sitting on the desk here!

But these little quibbles aside, this is one of the highlights of the season for me. A great episode.

Albion :)

I agree with you on both points, but still a great episode. I'd heard Cold Lazarus was a good episode, but i managed to avoid spoilers and i was pleasantly surprised by what happened. Definately a tear-jerker.

I loved that when the real O'neill came back throught the stargate, the speakers were saying "unscheduled offworld activation - this is not a drill...unscheduled offworld activation - this is not a drill" Lol, i can't believe they have to say that! What do they say when it is a drill?

OrangeShipper
March 7th, 2005, 12:26 AM
I really like this ep! :)
Its great!!
Very funny in bits (especially Teal'c, and real Jack coming back through!), and its great to see Jack how he used to be, with a family. I think its so cute when he meets Sara in the hospital!!

Rune
March 7th, 2005, 02:38 AM
Script a little clunky and finding its feet at times sure, but anyone who has kids and doesn't get choked here has got to be harsh.
moving acting by RDA.

You said it. I can't watch this one without dissolving into tears the moment 'Charlie' touches Jack.

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 05:50 PM
The scen with Jack in the brig was hilarious!

illuminarok
March 12th, 2005, 04:59 AM
You know, I was watching this episode yesterday and I couldn't help but wonder, how did Jack open the iris BEFORE the wormhole materialized? I mean, in all the other times before, you had to enter iris codes after the wormhole engaged because radio waves travel through the wormhole? But this time Hammond says, "Why isn't the iris closed?" Walter says "someone has our IDC codes, sir." And the wormhole had not even been engaged yet? Does that work? If it works, then its reasonable to say that you could send a message through the stargate without engaging a wormhole completely just by dialing the address? No no no that's not right. Someone help me figure this out. :(

KorbenDirewolf
July 4th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Magick.

.:Lemon:.
August 8th, 2005, 04:48 PM
Not one of my favourite episodes, but it did have some nice moments in it

1DanielForMe
August 8th, 2005, 09:31 PM
This is one of my top favourite episodes. It totally makes me cry, but I love watching it, because it's happy in a way. I mean, Jack has closure. It's just beautiful.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Average Episode Nothing to write home about

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 08:33 PM
meh, glimpse of off-world activity brought back alien to planet, nice little character building at the end so it is good for being the 6th ever episode

timdalton007
January 25th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Saw this for the first time Monday night and I loved it! One of my favorite episodes of the series and one of the best of season 1 as far as I am aware, this is probably one of the most underrated episodes of thes series. RDA really outdid himself in this episode with his wonderful performance as the alternate O'Neill and the scenes with Sarah were...touching to say the least. The music was great with the sad piano music playing troughout the episode. The efects were pretty good and I thought the end of the episiode was especially good when the "unity" became Charlie O'Neill and him and O'Neill went trough the Stargate.

timdalton007

jckfan55
January 26th, 2006, 12:38 PM
I just found out that Harley Jane Kozak (Sara) has been writing detective novels for the last few years. I'd seen the name but didn't put the 2 together.

Metarock Sam
January 27th, 2006, 10:40 AM
I trhink its a lovely episode made to bring a tear to the eye of even the strongest of hearts.

Pharaoh Atem
January 31st, 2006, 06:36 PM
:mckay: good back story on jack but thats about it not a fan of this one

it is good that there had jack get over charlie death early so the chararcter could move on but i think that there could had done it differently

HirogenGater
February 4th, 2006, 12:27 PM
You said it. I can't watch this one without dissolving into tears the moment 'Charlie' touches Jack.


I don't go as far as that, but the episode definitely hits a soft spot.

andrelage
February 12th, 2006, 11:59 AM
i liked this episode because i learnt a bit about jack's past as i hadn't yet watched stargate the movie until after this episode.

captain jake
May 4th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Lot's of the stuff shown in this mission was never shown before. (Even in the movie)

Chelle DB
June 3rd, 2006, 02:18 AM
I thought this was kinda sad. I liked the idea of looking at what happened to Jack in his life prior to SG1 but it still was sad coz he had to face it all again and so did Sara. This was predominately a Jack O'Niell ep which doesn't appeal to me as much as team eps do. Still...I did like it.

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 03:03 AM
I realy didn't like this episode haha.

Commander Ivanova
June 3rd, 2006, 06:51 AM
It was nice to have Jack's backstory filled in, even if it was sad. But the crystalline alien bit was nonsense.

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 07:33 AM
Yes it was quite strange I agree.

luthienberen
June 4th, 2006, 10:18 AM
I loved this episode. I enjoyed finding more about Jack and his ex-wife and seeing how he began to heal. Imitation Charlie showed him that his son was always with him.

And Jack had such chemistry with Sarah! I wouldn't have minded TPTB getting him back together like Dean Devlin and Ronald Emmerich intended.

And after reading the novel - written by DD and RE - and watchign the film it helped fill in the gaps and explore Jack's character.

luthienberen
June 4th, 2006, 10:27 AM
Lot's of the stuff shown in this mission was never shown before. (Even in the movie)

A lot of things are/were shown that were never shown before or since (even in the film) in SG-1 all Seasons. The character of Carter is a prime example.

Ship is another.

The Tok'ra suddenly appearing another. The existence of the Goa'uld actually (Ra wasn't a Goa'uld in the film or novel!)

captain jake
June 4th, 2006, 08:03 PM
His voice would prove other wise.

And I don't even see what that has to do with my post. For I was refering to charlie.

luthienberen
June 5th, 2006, 04:00 AM
Charlie? He was never mentioned before? In the film Jack mentioned losing his son, not by name though ...

Sorry for the misunderstanding...;)

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:29 PM
as people have said this episode was all about jacks past it was a bit boring but i still watched it

deadmanjeff
November 13th, 2006, 02:54 PM
this is one of the episodes that reminds me why season one is my fave season this episode is so crazy and its a year one episode other shows would do something like this in a later season but stargate does these kind of episodes right off the bat

Nimbus1208
June 16th, 2007, 03:30 PM
I love sg-1 and almost every episiode but this one i can't stand, no particular reason i just hate it.

1DanielForMe
June 20th, 2007, 04:22 AM
That is so odd to me. I absolutely love "Cold Lazarus". In fact, it is my fifth favourite episode. It's so touching. I can't help crying every time I see the scene where the crystal alien takes the form of Charlie, even though that's happy, as well, because Jack has closure. I also think the music in this episode is amazing. It's possibly my second favourite (after the music from "The Torment of Tantalus")

Theimmortaljedi
July 8th, 2007, 10:55 PM
ok me a nerd or a wus. But I was just moved by a scifi show. As a parent this one really got to me. Wow the wrighting was good for this one. It really stood out to me for what i have seen so far. Wonder if there will be more like these. Yup i'm a wus. I'm still moved.

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 9th, 2007, 01:01 PM
As Jack so often seems to play the clown, it was good to see something of his past and what deep pain he has really been living with. This episode helps to understand Jack's reactions to things in later episodes.

Theimmortaljedi
July 16th, 2007, 02:36 AM
wonder if we will see his wife again?

Okohme
August 6th, 2007, 10:03 AM
Just rewatching this episode for the first time in over a year. It's kind of hard to watch. It about makes me cry. But at the same time, it kind of makes me feel like Jack got some of the closure he never got before. His relationship with Sarah also got some of the closure it never did. Its sad but in a way it seems like it helped. Maybe the crystaline life form actually was able to help O'Neill heal his wound. *sniffles*

Theimmortaljedi
August 15th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Just rewatching this episode for the first time in over a year. It's kind of hard to watch. It about makes me cry. But at the same time, it kind of makes me feel like Jack got some of the closure he never got before. His relationship with Sarah also got some of the closure it never did. Its sad but in a way it seems like it helped. Maybe the crystaline life form actually was able to help O'Neill heal his wound. *sniffles*

Very well put. THat sums it up well. :)

HelloVelo
May 23rd, 2008, 11:13 PM
It thought it was cute to see Sam and Daniel so excited while they were playing with the crystal. They are such dorks.

7/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/cold-lazarus.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 12:07 PM
I found this episode very awkward, when Sara was asking Jack those questions at the park you could see her desire to get back with him. However that is not what happened the reel jack did not love Sara anymore. I wonder what happened to Sara after that, I also wonder why Jack was ever with her in the first place. Don't get me wrong she seemed like a very nice person, but she was not Jack's type at all.

Then when Jack allowed Sara to see their son, I was thinking this is going to screw her up for along time. I mean if my dead son started talking to me as if he was a different person. I would go crazy, especially if i was never given a straight answer about the whole thing.

I just wish they would have gone in a completely different direction and not involved Jack's family.

L E E
June 26th, 2008, 04:37 AM
Not so much action here. Too much drama, IMO.

Most memorable scene for me would be when the alien transformed into Charlie. It was memorable because of Jack's reaction. Shock, longingness, wishing it was really his son, sadness that its really not, pain that he has was forced to face the truth.

Not an ep that I'd watch again.

captain jake
June 26th, 2008, 01:32 PM
Not so much action here. Too much drama, IMO.

Most memorable scene for me would be when the alien transformed into Charlie. It was memorable because of Jack's reaction. Shock, longingness, wishing it was really his son, sadness that its really not, pain that he has was forced to face the truth.

Not an ep that I'd watch again.

I totally agree that this wasn't an action episode it was much more of a scientific and even philosophical episode.

The whole concept of different lifeforms in the galaxy makes it seem larger. If all there was were humans being dominated by the Goa'uld, the Stargate universe would seem extremely small. The episode makes us realize that SG-1 doesn't just fight off bad guys, they attempt to help and understand the good ones.

I didn't like the Sara and Charlie branch of this episode. However the scientific... the philosophical... those were great.

Pic
July 19th, 2008, 10:12 AM
Finally got around to the funky crystal episode with the 2 jacks.

Recently there was a thread somewhere around here about all the "planets" having the same forest ~ or some such drabble about villages being the same, etc. Well, the location certainly went out of the forest on this one. I loved the colors in the opening scenes, all those yellows and blues. They icon nice :D

Hmmm. I think Teal'c and the staff weapon stole the episode. Here's why:

Teal'c cracked me up. They're leaving base to go find the other Jack and Hammond tells him he can't take his staff weapon. "I have seen your world. I will need this" (paraphrasing) :lol:
Daniel and Sam are conducting tests on the crystal using the staff weapon. Teal'c "You did get permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gateroom" - Daniel and Sam just dart away with a noncommital "uh, sure" :lol:

Pic
July 19th, 2008, 11:32 AM
The Not!Forest planet is bright and shiny... so I made some more icons because that's what the world needs. More icons.
:D

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pritnep
July 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Hmmm. I think Teal'c and the staff weapon stole the episode. Here's why:

Teal'c cracked me up. They're leaving base to go find the other Jack and Hammond tells him he can't take his staff weapon. "I have seen your world. I will need this" (paraphrasing) :lol:

Daniel and Sam are conducting tests on the crystal using the staff weapon. Teal'c "You did get permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gateroom" - Daniel and Sam just dart away with a noncommital "uh, sure" :lol:

:lol: Also my two funny moments of what was a very serious episode.

First time we really saw the pain that Jack feels/has bottled up inside him. It was evident in the movie but not so much throughout the series until now.

Some pretty top acting by Jack conveying his hurt and the alien Jack's confusion over everything.

I noticed Sara still had her wedding ring on I think, probably showing that she still had hope that after Jack had dealt with the pain he was feeling their relationship could of continued.

I think the embrace just before they left the hospital was signifying that their relationship was over "we were good together weren't we?" Jack replies "the greatest"....

Like Pic-CollSwan I loved all the colour variations in the opening sequence on the planet. Another cool Gate shot at the end to.

Although not what I would call one of my favourite episodes I feel it was a necessary one to provide that background detail into Jack.

Awesome! Nice avatars Pic-CollSwan. :D

gateship15
August 28th, 2008, 01:18 AM
this was a cool episode i thought what happened with jacks son was sad and its good to know that there is a reason for why he is emotionless when it comes to people and i think this episode helps him to start healing and allow him to start to fall for sam

Cheerful Dragon
September 9th, 2008, 01:54 AM
A great performance from RDA in this one as the copy of O'Neill struggles to come to terms with Jack's past. We saw a gentler side of O'Neill that is seldom allowed to show. The sight of the copy hugging Charlie's things made me cry, as did the closing scene of Jack and Sarah with 'Charlie'. I think the way Jack and Sarah hug shows that there's still some feeling there, but they both know it's over for them.

Daniel's reaction to the crystal when it changed to his face was quite funny. The way the real Jack reacted to the troops in the gateroom when he returned was good, too.

It's good to see a lifeform that isn't more-or-less humanoid, or bipedal at the very least. The idea that there's more to life than carbon-based lifeforms isn't new, but it's not one that's used much. It's also nice to see a recognition that Earth's environment can actually be harmful to alien life. So often Earth is invaded by aliens that have no problems with our atmosphere, E-M field, gravity...

Over all, a very good episode.

NK1969
September 11th, 2008, 07:57 PM
I LOVE this episode and frankly don't understand why the first season gets such a bad rap. I'd like to address each issue, but first things first, about the episode:

It's a dramatic story with a science fiction backdrop. Remember Jeff Bridges in "Starman?" Same premise. IMO it's a feather in RDA's cap that he pulled off the dual role so convincingly. So what if this is an episode that didn't carry the flavor of the many episodes yet to come? IMO if it had been more centered around canon (i.e. the Goa'uld attack on the Unity) than on the individual character development of Jack O'Neill and the back story of Charlie's death and Jack's separation from Sarah it would have been a more "forgettable" episode. As it stands, I found it to be a rather endearing bit of writing that makes O'Neill seem more "human" behind all that bravado and quick wit.

What really hits me about this episode is the emotional response it drew within me. As a full-time dad to two small boys who are as much a part of me as, well, any physical part of my body I found myself gripped by the drama. I spend almost every minute of every day with my sons and on the rare occasion we're apart for more than a couple of hours I miss them terribly. If something were to happen to either one of them, I don't know if I could survive. Call it "projection" (a psychological term) or simply wearing my heart on my sleeve (a literary cliché) I could feel Jack's pain as the Unity stepped into his life and uncovered the sense of loss from Charlie's death.

That RDA was able to draw upon some type of empathy during the projection of this episode to further flesh out the character that Kurt Russell created shows that this is indeed a bit of canon - even if it's only for one character - and hints at O'Neill's incredible strength of will to overcome adversity.

Stepping back to a more critical POV, the only improvement I could see upon this episode would to have been have the characters react on a more emotional level as they became involved in what was formerly a "private" part of Jack's life. I mean, Daniel became Jack's best friend in the movie because he helped Jack deal with the loss in the first place. Daniel could have at least opened up to Sam a little more when the subject came up in this episode. And whatever happened to Sarah? Did she get remarried? Did she receive disclosure about the Stargate program? Did she and Jack ever air out their feelings like she started to do with the Unity imposter?

BTW, the actress who played Sarah bears a remarkable similarity to the actress who originally played Elizabeth Weir 6 years later? I know they're two different actresses but it's kinda eerie.

Now, getting on to season one's bad rap I'd have to say that this season had the benefit of breaking new ground. Sure, the special effects have come a long way, but so have the clichés.

I mean, did every Goa'uld (or even the Asgard for that matter) affect the role of some god or another from any one of several of Earth's many cultures? Strange that they didn't touch upon the Big 3 (Judaism, Christianity or Islam) but I'm kind of glad they didn't. At least they didn't go the Men in Black route and show a Goa'uld dressed as Elvis (quote: "Elvis ain't dead, son - he just went home") If that were the case, then SG-1 would have "jumped the shark" a lot sooner than it did - which by my estimation was around the same time SciFi (and commercial television) picked it up.

As a former Trekkie, I say throw canon out the window. Relying on it as a literary tool is akin to painting oneself into a corner; there are only so many new ideas to dream up if one limits the scope of one's imagination. SG-1 did it many times during the first 8 years. For the second incarnation they fell back on the same plot devices but switched around the details a little bit.

PS: as a former Trekkie, I must point out that there were a LOT of good episodes in TOS. Too many folks remember Shatner's overacting but I'd hazard a guess to point out that he was getting a little too comfortable in the role and was just phoning it in by the time season 3 came around. Arguably the same could be said about RDA in many episodes of SG-1 during seasons 6-8.

Frozen Serpent
September 13th, 2008, 01:52 AM
Just watched this episode, and although I enjoyed it so much remained unresolved that it bugged me.

1. Jack steps through the Stargate to take his 'son' back to an alien planet. And then the episode ends abruptly. We don't see how hard must it have been for a father to dump the image of his child on an alien world and then abandon him or watch him die again? I felt cheated out of what could have been a powerful scene.

2. O'Neill just leaves his wife in the hospital without any explanation as to why there are two versions of himself running around or why her dead son appears to be alive. Just saying 'It's not Charlie' isn't enough in my mind. Is she supposed to just think 'Oh well then'. The episode should have ended with O'Neill explaining what had happened, and that he was sorry for having ignored her etc...

3. The crystal on the base was asking for help, and then it was ignored for the rest of the episode. Did they shove it in a cupboard or something?

4. Why were the crystal creatures gathered near the gate and executed? I take it the Goa'uld were responsible, but why did they fear the crystals?

:S

Pic
September 13th, 2008, 09:59 AM
I LOVE this episode and frankly don't understand why the first season gets such a bad rap.

Very nice post, NK1969! I agree. I'm currently in the midst of my first ever re-watch (so I hadn't seen these episodes in years) and I had forgotten how enjoyable these early episodes were.

gateship15
September 13th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Just watched this episode, and although I enjoyed it so much remained unresolved that it bugged me.

1. Jack steps through the Stargate to take his 'son' back to an alien planet. And then the episode ends abruptly. We don't see how hard must it have been for a father to dump the image of his child on an alien world and then abandon him or watch him die again? I felt cheated out of what could have been a powerful scene.

2. O'Neill just leaves his wife in the hospital without any explanation as to why there are two versions of himself running around or why her dead son appears to be alive. Just saying 'It's not Charlie' isn't enough in my mind. Is she supposed to just think 'Oh well then'. The episode should have ended with O'Neill explaining what had happened, and that he was sorry for having ignored her etc...

3. The crystal on the base was asking for help, and then it was ignored for the rest of the episode. Did they shove it in a cupboard or something?

4. Why were the crystal creatures gathered near the gate and executed? I take it the Goa'uld were responsible, but why did they fear the crystals?

:S

the crystals attacted the goa'uld and one died i remember them telling u that and because of it the goa'uld attacked them with there staffs

Frozen Serpent
September 14th, 2008, 07:09 AM
Yes, but it was also stated that the crystals were put there by someone else in the first place (as a kind of execution site / grave). If the Jaffa were shocked whenever they touched the crystals, how were they transported there?

gateship15
September 15th, 2008, 02:05 AM
i don't know but i think it became a execution site after the jaffa destroyed them. altho if they were movied i don't know how they were movied altho they could have been movied after. because maybe after the crystals are destroyed they lose power and at that time can be moved

ZOMG!b_cs
October 17th, 2008, 09:43 AM
Pic has got me snarled into her re-watch. I'm not ambitious enough to post on every episode, but I just watched this one and had to remark how lovely it is to see a planet that doesn't have a forest.

Sam's comment about the locker room & sand getting into everything cracked me up!

RononXSpecialist
November 6th, 2008, 04:28 AM
This has gotta be one of my least favorite episodes =\ Although I liked how they finally shedded some light on the whole Jacks son shot himself situation.

Descent
February 23rd, 2009, 04:20 AM
I just recently watched this episode again for the first time in years. I think it holds up pretty well! A lot of nice moments between the fake Jack and Sarah. It's definitely stuff you would never see a lot of in the later seasons.

7/10!

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 05:05 AM
I just recently watched this episode again for the first time in years. I think it holds up pretty well! A lot of nice moments between the fake Jack and Sarah. It's definitely stuff you would never see a lot of in the later seasons.

7/10!

agreed! :D

morjana
March 18th, 2009, 04:54 PM
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Starbreaker
March 30th, 2009, 09:07 AM
I'm going to give this episode *** out of ****. It has a pretty good emotional impact.

Jumper_One
March 31st, 2009, 04:48 PM
Finally, sometime last week, some website put together a list of their favorite episode titles. Alas, Stargate failed to make the list. To rectify that oversight, I’ve decided to put together a list of My Top 10 Favorite Stargate Titles:

**snip**

7) Cold Lazarus: Well, it sounds cool - despite the fact that there is no discernible connection between this cryptic title and the actual events in the episode. Apparently, upon reading the script, someone at the studio called the production offices demanding to know: “Who the hell is Lazarus and why is he cold?!”
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/march-31-2009-my-five-second-stint-as-a-camera-operator-the-kino-revealed-and-my-top-10-favorite-stargate-episode-titles/

Starbreaker
April 3rd, 2009, 01:47 PM
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/march-31-2009-my-five-second-stint-as-a-camera-operator-the-kino-revealed-and-my-top-10-favorite-stargate-episode-titles/

I understand the Lazarus part... not so much what cold has to do with it, unless it's just being used as a synonym for dead.

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 02:24 PM
This was a very odd episode indeed. not one of my favourites and one i certaintly don't watch over and over. However seeing Jack with charlie is a nice touch even if it isn't really him.

Spimman
May 6th, 2009, 06:56 AM
I understand the Lazarus part... not so much what cold has to do with it, unless it's just being used as a synonym for dead.

Definitely referencing the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead after he was already cold, not immediately after his death.

I found this episode touching, especially early on in the series it allows us to connect emotionally with Jack in a way we don't get to very often. It is sad to watch, but has a good ending.

Ashizuri
May 7th, 2009, 11:53 AM
Just caught this on Sci-Fi the other day and I have to say, hearing Daniel call Jack "colonel" (at least twice) was the weirdest thing ever.

lordofseas
July 30th, 2009, 07:47 PM
I found it nice that we got to see another side of Jack. It was refreshing.

Hjalmar
August 17th, 2009, 11:56 PM
I really don't like this episode, they could have left this piece of "personal drama" out alltogether

this ep goes onto my pile of bad episodes, together with "Emancipation" it's trange though, I think the first season is really great, but yet in the first few episodes there are 2 eps I have difficulty with, I think they're trying to set certain aspects of the characters which I think is unnecessary

sam: the whole "I'm a woman and that means I'm not less than you guys"-thing (I am certainly not against this idea, but I think they just had to let her roll with everyone else and it would have become very clear very soon that she is certainly not less than any other member of any other team)

O'neill: the emo thing with charlie, TPTB maybe tried to balance out his character by adding big drama, I think it wasn't necessary at all, it's a deplorable storyline

mrscopterdoc
January 31st, 2010, 04:43 PM
It is sad to watch, but has a good ending.

I agree.

nx01a
February 3rd, 2010, 03:24 PM
I really don't like this episode, they could have left this piece of "personal drama" out alltogether

this ep goes onto my pile of bad episodes, together with "Emancipation" it's trange though, I think the first season is really great, but yet in the first few episodes there are 2 eps I have difficulty with, I think they're trying to set certain aspects of the characters which I think is unnecessary

sam: the whole "I'm a woman and that means I'm not less than you guys"-thing (I am certainly not against this idea, but I think they just had to let her roll with everyone else and it would have become very clear very soon that she is certainly not less than any other member of any other team)

O'neill: the emo thing with charlie, TPTB maybe tried to balance out his character by adding big drama, I think it wasn't necessary at all, it's a deplorable storylineIf Jack didn't have this opportunity for closure with the ex and his feelings for his son, he'd have remained that gruff idiot from the movie. This is the kind of sci-fi emotion I like, not the recent sci-fi Emo craze.
Yes, I love this episode.;)

maneth
February 15th, 2010, 08:50 AM
How much closure did Jack get though, most of it was "Lazarus"...? I did like seeing Charlie though.

Vagabond Serpent
April 2nd, 2010, 08:47 AM
The first time I watched this episode, I barely made it to the end. It seemed very boring to me that time. But after I rewatched it several times, I realised that it's very important episode, because it gives us a lot of hints and information about Jack and his life before StarGate. The scenes with Charlie, Sarah and Jack were outstanding.

EDIT: 7/10

Girlbot
June 10th, 2010, 10:43 AM
This was an amazing episode, so sad and poignant. It made me cry:(

rushy
July 5th, 2010, 01:13 AM
The Unity moved into the Bottomless Hole for Ideas Never to Be Revisited, later joined by the Oannes, the Re'tu and numerous other individuals, cultures and ideas.

And the Furlings and the Museum Guys in Season 10.

rushy
July 5th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Weird ep. We have much more :jack: and when :sam: calls everyone back to the gate... they really should make a Daniel long hair smilie...
:tealc: No they should not.
:daniel: I like my current hair.

Tallifer
September 6th, 2010, 04:06 AM
Quite a good episode, although by the ending I was surfeited with poignant and emotional dialogue and gestures. I am not usually favourably impressed by dramatic stories involving families and loss and divorce and stuff. However, this story managed to keeps its soap opera relevant to the SG-1 team and its mission to explore the universe.

Loved the yellow sand and blue crystals.

FrodoFraggins
March 18th, 2011, 02:35 PM
A great episode. The only problem I have is that the music is a bit too overdone and dated. Back then some TV shows tended to up the volume and go overboard to add emotion, when the actors were more than adequate to do that themselves.

Starfox1313
July 27th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Wasn't a big fan of this episode, but I didn't hate on it. Also don't you think that those crystals may of know more information then what they provided.

4-10 I dont know i just think i wanted more from the episode.

Noxbait
August 2nd, 2011, 06:41 PM
I like this episode. Some very humorous moments what with Daniel and Sam getting Teal'c involved in their not exactly sanctioned experiment. : ) I also liked getting more detail on Jack's family. I mean, it was kind of a big plot point for the movie...and the show. It was nice that it got somewhat resolved. I know that it wasn't really Jack who was getting things resolved with Sara, but by his reactions at the end both with "charlie" and the times he interacted with Sara, I really got the feeling that he was more at peace with the situation. I think he dealt with the brunt of it on Abydos the first time, and his words in CotG when he's talking to Daniel at his place showed that it wasn't something he was necessarily ever going to completely be over. But he didn't seem completely devastated by the experience which I thought was a nice way for them to do it.

chaddergate
August 5th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Best Jack moment of the season, I think, is him and Sarah getting to see "Charlie" again.

SGSargon
August 5th, 2011, 06:14 AM
Indeed it was an excelent Jack centred episode.

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 6th, 2011, 04:32 AM
A very touching episode that's for sure. But there is also some great humour.

Hammond: Sorry Teal'c I can't let you take that with you.
Teal'c: I have seen your world, I will need it.

Teal'c: You had permission for me to fire my staff weapon in the gate room?
Sam and Daniel: Um Yeah sure we did.

Teal'c: Your world is a strange place.
Daniel: So is yours.

All this humour reminds me why I love Stargate so much. It's one thing that was seriously lacking in Universe.

muziqaz
August 6th, 2011, 10:36 AM
A very touching episode that's for sure. But there is also some great humour.

Hammond: Sorry Teal'c I can't let you take that with you.
Teal'c: I have seen your world, I will need it.
<...>


This one is one of the best quotes of the series :D Laughed long an hard after hearing this :D
Also I agree that it was great episode centered on Jack.

hedwig
August 6th, 2011, 10:41 AM
I enjoyed getting to see Sara O'Neill and sort of wish she could have been in one or two later episodes.

Lantash
August 6th, 2011, 07:44 PM
I liked getting to know "Charlie" a bit, and found the Unity crystal special effects great. And creepy.

But most of all I came away from the episode thinking... could Sara and Capt. Carter look more alike?? no.

shannon64
August 6th, 2011, 09:27 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Seeing "Unity Jack" realise what had happend in Jack's past was a nice way of giving background to his character. I'll have to admit I got ever so slightly misty eyed theere too!

Was nice to see that despite that, there were still a few funny moments too. Mostly involving Teal'c :)

dtheories
August 7th, 2011, 07:48 AM
I liked getting to know "Charlie" a bit, and found the Unity crystal special effects great. And creepy.
But most of all I came away from the episode thinking... could Sara and Capt. Carter look more alike?? no.

Agree Agree! Both about the crystals (would have liked to learn more about them as well) and Sara/Sam. I thought that at the end of Brief Candle the way Sam's hair was styled, it made her appear even more like Sara, which says something about why there may or may not have been any attraction between she and Jack. (It always felt forced to me anyway.)

Moving along...the intro at the beginning of Unity Jack, not knowing whether he's friend of foe, gave another example of how anything could and does eventually come through that 'gate. But little things made this an interesting ep for me; Daniel's, "Am I using this thing right?" The storyline about Teal'c's discoveries about the Tau'ri. Daniel mixing up Captain/Doctor, Colonel/Jack. Sam not standing when General Hammond leaves the briefing room, but mostly, Jack's emotional reaction when Unity Jack morphs into Charlie. Beautiful.

Nindif
August 8th, 2011, 04:26 AM
Daniel's, "Am I using this thing right?" The storyline about Teal'c's discoveries about the Tau'ri. Daniel mixing up Captain/Doctor, Colonel/Jack. Sam not standing when General Hammond leaves the briefing room, but mostly, Jack's emotional reaction when Unity Jack morphs into Charlie. Beautiful.

I also really liked Daniel's line. I really enjoyed Daniel/Sam's playful and experimental interactions in this episode - its exactly what the series needed at this point - the two 'scientists' collaborating to solve a mystery. Well executed, fun and engaging.

Also, the scene between Sara and Jack when he comes down from Charlies room is perhaps the most touching, heartfelt and beautifully acted scenes in all of SG1. It is a most amazing moment.

I didn't like Teal'c's opening like to Jack, "You said you would show me your world. I would like to see it now" (Or similiar). It seems very pushy and out of character for Teal'c. He is not one to portray his emotions quite so forcefully. I understand he may be frustrated at his lack of engagement at the SGC thus far, but it is still a little pushy imo.

I also think it is strange how quickly the team are to remove their radiation suits when the geiger counter shows declining radiation in the hospital. After being so heavily toxic and to rapidly decline like that, how does Sam immediately conclude it to be 'safe'! Another moment of pushy pacing.

Overall its a pretty solid episode. Had a lot of elements that the series needed at this point. The juxtaposition of humour/playfullness with genocide/manslaughter. The strong sci-fi storyline and the ambiguity laced throughout it. Just what episode 6 needed to be.

Jae'a
August 8th, 2011, 05:31 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/3032.html)
Another one I struggled with. Might add more later.

juggernaut975
August 8th, 2011, 05:44 AM
This episode was an indicator that the series was going to be all over the place, from straight up, science fiction action and adventure to morality plays to emotionally touching (gut wrenching) stories like this one.

RDA did a fantastic job portraying his 'second' self, mannerisms, body language, he does 'off' well, lol.

And he just nails it at the hospital, when SG1 arrives he looks completely haggard and truly alien....

Love how Teal'c is growing impatient, wanting to see the outside world. I don't think he likes metal music, or maybe it was just the volume :)

But finally he gets to go off base! Thought it was fortunate that General Hammond just happened to have that baseball cap on him, and why Chicago? I'm assuming he got it from Jack but why would Hammond have it?

Great episode, the only nit I have is the fact Jack, while leading the crystal creature out, didn't think to lean over and say 'Hey, just wanted to ask if perhaps you could find another form to take other than my dead son because my wife is out there and it would probably freak her the f out, more so than she's already been freaked out today....like, maybe, take the form of President Clinton maybe? Or Harrison Ford? Oh, hey, let's REALLY blow her mind and you turn into Kurt Russel...'

In all seriousness, Sara is a real trooper and it's no wonder that Jack was with her in the first place. It was nice to see them as a team at least once.

poundpuppy29
August 8th, 2011, 06:14 AM
This was a good Jack ep but I loved Sam & Daniel & Teal'c

jlovette
August 8th, 2011, 07:03 AM
This was the first episode I ever watched. Around season 7, we got our first dvr and I decided that this was show I wanted to try and catch up on. Scifi (no Syfy yet) was showing four episode blocks every Monday night, so I would record them and watch them during the week. I remember this episode and The Nox being in that first block.

Watching people work through the loss of a child has always been hard ever since I became a father. My own parents went through it with my sister a few years ago. I've seen this episode a few times and the emotional impact doesn't lessen with repeat viewings.

I usually don't think of this one as a great episode, but it gets me every time.

Each episode makes it harder to pick Teal'c's best line of the season. "I have seen your world. I'll need it." was great.

mathpiglet
August 8th, 2011, 07:08 AM
I enjoyed getting to see Sara O'Neill and sort of wish she could have been in one or two later episodes.

Oh, I so agree. It seemed that with time this relationship would have a chance to work again. I'm sorry they dropped it.

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 8th, 2011, 01:16 PM
This was a step up.

Some wonderful writing and great acting. It's a shame Sara and the blue crystal aliens were never revisited again (I don't recall if Jack's ex-wife is even mentioned again at any point in the series). Nice to see a planet that isn't a forest or a rock quarry, it really stood out.

I have seen this episode many a time before, but it's been such a long while that I had forgotten a lot of it. I can definitely say that this viewing is the first time it's ever brought tears to my eyes at the end, and I can't say why or what was different about this time. RDA did a great acting job here (and quite out-of-character; I can't imagine him doing something similar in later seasons).

Hammond shows a slightly softer side that we would become used to for perhaps the first time, although it's subtle - just a slight smile and nod as he hands Teal'c the baseball cap. Daniel and Carter work great together and made me laugh qutie a bit. Teal'c is in full on stoic mode here - and it has already become tiresome.

It's not a perfect episode. The blue crystal alien effects are great (no signs of budget cutting here!) but the performance of Amanda Tapping in the crystal face is horribly stilted and took me right out of the show. The worst moment for me comes unfortunately at a very pivotal moment: we get the horrible "Charlie is still alive... in here..." ET moment as he reaches for Jack's heart. It's cheesy and never works in any way and I wish it would never be written into any script ever again! The moment is saved somewhat, though, by the morphing into Charlie effect and Jack's reaction.

The music caught me by surprise. During the scene in the briefing room where Jack realises where Unity Jack has gone to and tries to make a phone call to Sara, the music track seems to be heavily ripping off the famous riff from Predator!

Rating: 7.5 out of 10

KayLyne
August 8th, 2011, 02:17 PM
The best part of this episode is seeing RDA play the subtle differences in the two Jack O'Neills.

I also loved seeing Sara and her interaction with Alien Jack, then again the Sara/"real" Jack interaction at the hospital. Is it a wonder that Jack seemed to have an attraction to Sam, considering the similarities to Sara?

There were some nice Sam/Daniel moments too.

Starmover
August 8th, 2011, 02:38 PM
I enjoyed this episode also. I liked the way they tried to make the planet look different by making the sky dark blue, and the sand a little orange. They didn't make alien planets look alien very much, so I like it when they try. Ok, on to one of my favorites, Thor's Hammer. :hammond06:

Matt G
August 8th, 2011, 03:33 PM
It was another Sunday afternoon...and another SG1 ep...

1. Liked the call back to the movie, and the reminder that Daniel has more history with Jack than the rest of the team.

2. Definately liked how RDA did 'Jack'...and this time around really noticed the rocking when he realised that he couldn't retrieve Charlie...

3. "Get me out of here...allright I'll say in nicely...get me the hell out of here..." :D

4. I'd like to know how they're going to cover that one up...

Krisz
August 8th, 2011, 04:30 PM
I enjoyed this episode also. I liked the way they tried to make the planet look different by making the sky dark blue, and the sand a little orange. They didn't make alien planets look alien very much, so I like it when they try. Ok, on to one of my favorites, Thor's Hammer. :hammond06:

Said my little bit about this episode recently and the 'alien..ness.' of the planet.:D

http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/81485-which-episode-is-better...?p=12766237&viewfull=1#post12766237

Scotaf
August 9th, 2011, 02:04 PM
I am not a particularly old person or a particularly young one. I am in my late 20's. I say this because I remember watching the episode originally and hating it, but I just watched it today again, dreading having to sit through it, but I actually found it very moving and enjoyable. I think when I watched the series when I was younger I might have just not had enough life experience to get all the emotions and the emotional impact of everything Jack was going through. Now I have had a lot more death in my life I've lost people (not a child) but I have felt that pain. Jack and Sara where amazing in this episode I felt their pain and even thought I might cry at times. I am very surprised but I really enjoyed this episode. Most times when I am watching through the series I skip this one, I am glad I did not do that this time around...thank you SG-rewatch!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 9th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Another average episode. We saw Jack's ex-wife for the only time.

I don't think I'm watching it in the right order, the DVD order is probably wrong. Eh, by Friday we'll be sync up.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
August 9th, 2011, 09:29 PM
one of my favorite Season 1 episodes. we got to see Jack come to terms with Charlie's death thanks to the unity O'Neill. Richard Dean Anderson's performance in this episode both as the real Jack O'neill (especially his "Let me put nicely...GET ME THE HELL OUTTA HERE" scene. That had me laughing non stop) and the unity O'neill were just outstanding. Loved the unity jack/sarah scenes were very touching. i'm glad we got the flashback to how charlie's death happened it was nice seeing a happy jack. i think a couple of the most emotional scenes was with jack and sara's scenes own unique scenes with the unity charlie.

as for the whole sam looking like sara debate i do see a resemblance not physically but also personality wise and the fact they love to restore old vintage cars and motorcycles.

the episode for me gets a ***1/2 out of **** stars.

ekolint48
August 9th, 2011, 11:07 PM
It's like you're inside my brain...

I especially agree about the S/J shippiness, throughout the series for me. I like those kind of things being hinted at, and it was to overt for me with these two. I liked when they highlighted Sam and Jack as friends early on they had a really good rapport in that aspect (There's a S3? ep that comes to mind). If they had developed it into a romantic attraction later in the series without this initial forced footing it would have have worked out better in my mind. Things like the S8 relationship confusion for the two (Pete and the Curly haired girl) were also not well done IMO.

Moving on: loved Daniel and Sam geeking it out together and getting into trouble, kinda, in the process. I also wish we had seen more of the former Mrs. O'Neill. She was very effective in her scenes with the crystal Jack. And the first thing that I thought of as soon as I saw her was her resemblance to Sam.

Sealurk
August 10th, 2011, 03:20 AM
I had completely forgotten how good this episode is - it's easily one of the best of season one, maybe the whole series.

The character's personalities are definitely starting to crystallise (pun intended), we get not just a really alien alien but a really alien world (SG-1 was pretty good with these in the first two seasons, I seem to recall), both of which are well realised, some fantastic character development and in general the writing is brilliant.

In fact the only thing I didn't like was the music. :D

Traveler Enroute1
August 10th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Stargate Rewatch episodes: 101-105; 106

Cold Lazarus

I liked this episode a lot. Here, fairly early on, we get a sneak peek at Col. Jack O'Neill's private anguish. We knew from the movie that he'd lost his son and was grieving, perhaps suicidal. This story gave us the details in a novel way, and it was done with sensitivity without mauldin dawdlin'. It was sad but that was a lovely, touching moment when Crystal Jack gave our Jack renewed hope that he could forgive himself.

Sarah also had to face her own denial at suppressed anger at Jack. But it seems neither could express themselves to each other back then, and with her anger simmering under her skin and Jack's guilt, he put distance between them. Now that Crystal Jack expressed what hadn't been said before, Sarah and Jack seem to part with more peace between them. It does seem final when Sarah whispers for him to take care of himself.

A sterling episode; by that I mean it was practically sparkling. The cinematography was stunning with the contrast of the flawless blue sky and the bright (crayola?) yellow sand. Then the sprinkling of deep blue crystals among the dunes and the shots of the team against this backdrop (looking muy cool in their shades) were captivating. Great set. Hope all those sandboxes got their sand back! :)

Fave line: Security reports to Hammond:

"Sir, O'Neill - the other guy - is nowhere in the mountain." He glanced at Jack and amended his report.

Other notables:



Noticed that sometimes the returnees leap/jump back into the Gateroom. Guessing that the point of entry is higher than their destination point?


And eyes opened wide on this one: Sam or someone asked why the iris didn't close when the gate unofficially activated, and is told that someone must have used their code. That doesn't seem to happen later.


Camera uses a handheld technique to follow Crystal Jack through the SGC, coupled with spooky music, nice touch in visualizing his alien nature for the audience.


Orlin did a pretty good imitation of Crystal Jack!


The staff blast is one of my fave SG1 scenes! Sam and Daniel did their wonderful Science Twins hijinks, telling Teal'c that they had permission to fire the weapon but, hello base alarms ringing - they didn't! Wish there were more of these collaborative and playful moments. Great chemistry between Sam and Daniel in this ep.


Teal'c and TV - LOL and uh-oh. He won't surrender the staff weapon when they go after Crystal Jack: "I have seen your world. I will need it." He was so young then.


Another non-human alien life form. Wonder what became of them later? Ooh, plot bunny...


Sarah mentions the 'O'Neill military bravado'. Makes his outburst on Argos more powerful.


Happy, married, family Jack - priceless.


Neat special effects when the crystal took the features of Daniel and Sam. Guess that particular crystal expired at the SGC? Didn't see them send it back.


What a cool room Charlie had, done in a space theme.


Series has given a look at some of Sam's life, Jack's life; Daniel and Teal'c reveals come later.



Rating: 3.5/5

Starscape91
August 10th, 2011, 08:39 PM
I liked this episode we got to see more of Jack's background and how the death of his son affected him and his relationship with Sara. Loved the scenes between Sam and Daniel. Also Teal'c watching TV and saying he will need his weapon when they leave the mountain was hilarious!

jelgate
August 14th, 2011, 02:26 PM
The crystal aliens are basically a plot device to explore Jack's backstory and devulge a little more into the death of his son. We don't really learn a lot of new information but I think we learn more about how that experence affected Jack. I don't quite care about the crystals being dangerous because that seems tacked on to give action to the insight we were exploring about Jack's character

VampyreWraith
August 15th, 2011, 06:30 AM
This is one of my favorite season 1 episodes. I loved finding out more about Jack's family/ personal life and how the death of his son affected it. Teal'c watching tv and later wanting to take his staff weapon with him when he leaves the SGC was great.

hlndncr
August 17th, 2011, 08:27 AM
Not my favorite episode. I understand needing to address the whole Charlie thing, but this one just doesn't resonate with me.

I love that they were still trying to make alien planets seem alien and we were meeting non-human entities. The crystal entity was pretty cool IMO.

I didn't really get the whole Sara thing. She was so whiney and needy and I'm still in love with you, are we going to get back together, we were the greatest, etc. It just never jived with the picture I had of Sara from the movie, standing in her kitchen ignoring her husband upstairs with a gun almost to his head, then walking out on him as soon as he was gone.

Personally, I don't think Jack and Sara had a great marriage before Charlie died. She mentions that he would never really talk to her even before Charlie died. That vision the alien had of this happy little family right up to the moment of Charlie's death just doesn't fit with that image. I think it was how Jack had idealized things after the fact and the alien was trying to interpret things he clearly didn't understand.

Personally, I'm glad we didn't see Sara again. But I admit the end was a little abrupt.



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SF_and_Coffee
August 17th, 2011, 12:57 PM
When she was in the kitchen in the movie, I got the impression she was at the end of her rope after trying to get through to Jack for quite some time, and lost in her own grief as well. They were both grieving over the death of their son, but it appears that Jack did so by becoming distant and not forgiving himself, while Sara wanted his support. I'd certainly want my husband's support if our son had killed himself; that doesn't make someone "whiney and needy", it makes them human. And before Charlie died, there would have been any number of things that Jack wouldn't and couldn't have talked to Sara about... the man was a career military officer involved in Special Ops and black ops. He'd have seen all kinds of things that would have messed with his mind, but he wouldn't have been able to discuss any of that with his wife because of the need for secrecy. (I know people like this, and their spouses. It isn't easy for either of them, and it isn't always pretty, either.) Jack was a fairly stoic individual to begin with, and his keeping things bottled up for multiple reasons would certainly have been an obstacle though not an insurmountable one. Now add in Jack's having been a POW during the Gulf War, with the effects that would most likely have had on his psyche, and now and the camel's back is carrying an awful lot of straws... Charlie's accidental death, using Jack's gun, could easily have been the one that broke it.

As for "we were the greatest", it was JACK who said that, not Sara. It seems pretty clear in the episode that he still cared a great deal for Sara. I know that it's very tempting for Jack/Sam shippers to view Sara as some sort of negative or disagreeable person, but let's be at least a little fair to her, okay? (It might also be nice to give Jack some credit for having NOT picked a cold-hearted bee eye tee cee aitch as a wife, either, after all...) And with regard to Sara walking out on him, we're never given a whole lot of that part of the story, so for all we know, he could have been threatening to walk out on her the day prior to the start of the movie... it's all speculation.

hlndncr
August 17th, 2011, 01:10 PM
I get a little annoyed when the fact that I am a Sam/Jack shipper is used to discount my opinion. As I have said before, I do not think Sam and Jack were in love at this point. In fact, it's clear from this episode that Sam barely even knows Jack.

But I still think I have a legitimate point of view. I do not like the portrayl of Sara and I do not think their marriage was on a good footing when Charlie died. I think Jack had created an idealized view of their marriage later on that the alien entity picked up on because of his own guilt issues. I think Sara was being awfully pushy and needy when the entity showed up after she walked out. I don't buy the if you loved me you would follow me crap.

Others are free to construe Jack and Sara's relationship however they like, but I personally am glad she was never brought back.



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SF_and_Coffee
August 17th, 2011, 01:18 PM
I get a little annoyed when the fact that I am a Sam/Jack shipper is used to discount my opinion. As I have said before, I do not think Sam and Jack were in love at this point. In fact, it's clear from this episode that Sam barely even knows Jack.
I get a little annoyed when people jump to conclusions and get defensive just because I mentioned something.

I wasn't using your status as a shipper to discount your opinion. (Though based on what you've said since, now I'm tempted to.) I only even mentioned it because I do see this a lot from shippers, but I'm not "discounting" your opinion because of it. I think your opinion is based on a misreading of what was shown in the episode and the movie, not on your shipper status. Frankly, I don't see Sara as being portrayed as any more needy than Sam was sometimes portrayed. Loving someone or caring for them isn't being needy, whether your name is Sam or Sara (or anyone else, for that matter).



But I still think I have a legitimate point of view. I do not like the portrayl of Sara and I do not think their marriage was on a good footing when Charlie died. I think Jack had created an idealized view of their marriage later on that the alien entity picked up on because of his own guilt issues. I think Sara was being awfully pushy and needy when the entity showed up after she walked out. I don't buy the if you loved me you would follow me crap.

Others are free to construe Jack and Sara's relationship however they like, but I personally am glad she was never brought back.
I'd love to know what you think we've been shown that really tells us ANYTHING about Jack and Sara's marriage being bad prior to what happened to Charlie, especially given that Jack seemed quite eager to comfort Sara at the end of this episode.

hlndncr
August 17th, 2011, 01:32 PM
I think I've already explained my point of view and given the basis for my conclusions from the episode itself. You and I clearly see things differently and that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I don't feel the need to further justify myself. I'm very comfortable in my own opinion.

And I do find your statements about shippers offensive whether you intended it that way or not. It is not a failing in me or anyone else to enjoy viewing Stargate from the point of view of a Sam/Jack shipper (or any other ship frankly, though others don't see it that way). I'm happy to read other fans' opinions, even those I disagree with, without trying to "correct" their thinking.



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silentsongbird
August 30th, 2011, 05:54 AM
I don't have much critisism, constructive or otherwise, just that I must be in a weepy mood because I am tired and it pulled the right heart strings today. I teared up and I feel really bad for those poor Crystal beings. :(

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 30th, 2011, 07:07 AM
I don't have much critisism, constructive or otherwise, just that I must be in a weepy mood because I am tired and it pulled the right heart strings today. I teared up and I feel really bad for those poor Crystal beings. :(

Through every viewing of this episode, it has never made me emotional. However, for this rewatch viewing I cried my eyes out. Real life happenings just get mixed up with fictional TV shows sometimes.

SF_and_Coffee
August 30th, 2011, 10:18 AM
I think I've already explained my point of view and given the basis for my conclusions from the episode itself. You and I clearly see things differently and that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I don't feel the need to further justify myself. I'm very comfortable in my own opinion.

And I do find your statements about shippers offensive whether you intended it that way or not. It is not a failing in me or anyone else to enjoy viewing Stargate from the point of view of a Sam/Jack shipper (or any other ship frankly, though others don't see it that way). I'm happy to read other fans' opinions, even those I disagree with, without trying to "correct" their thinking.

I'm not trying to "correct" your thinking, nor do I think it's a failing in you or anyone to be a Sam/Jack shipper, and I have absolutely no clue where you even get the idea that I might think that. The failing lies solely in ascribing tendencies to another character (Sara) that we are given absolutely no evidence for in the show, and in somehow thinking that you must "correct" MY failure to share your thinking.

That's all I'm going to say on that. Moving on now, and addressing the rest of the participants here... I tear up when watching this episode sometimes, too.

Lisita
September 1st, 2011, 09:10 PM
I really liked this episode. RDA did a fantastic job. It really shows how much this tragedy changed him and also how much of himself he hides from everyone everyday. Just one thing...did anyone else notice the little kid standing on the staircase in the control room when SG1 comes back to the SGC from the planet in the beginning of the ep? I've rewatched it several times and I can't figure out what else it could be. It really looks like a little kid in a red sweater and blue jeans. Am I losing my mind?

hlndncr
September 1st, 2011, 10:25 PM
I really liked this episode. RDA did a fantastic job. It really shows how much this tragedy changed him and also how much of himself he hides from everyone everyday. Just one thing...did anyone else notice the little kid standing on the staircase in the control room when SG1 comes back to the SGC from the planet in the beginning of the ep? I've rewatched it several times and I can't figure out what else it could be. It really looks like a little kid in a red sweater and blue jeans. Am I losing my mind?

All I see is a fire extinguisher.




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CMWriter
September 21st, 2011, 05:27 PM
(My full review of this episode is here (http://blogging-sg1.blogspot.com/2011/09/cold-lazarus-1-x-08.html).)

Okay, this is probably one of the best, if not the best, episode I've seen so far. It was an amazing insight into Jack's character, and what made it so interesting is that most of this insight come from an impostor! At first I hesitated to think that any alien force could be benign, but I was wrong, and this turned out to even be... benevolent. It was an incredible show of compassion and really a heartfelt episode. Fantastic performance from RDA.
Yay for character development!

SF_and_Coffee
September 22nd, 2011, 05:45 PM
I love your take on this, both here and on your blog! Great job, and I agree with your feelings regarding the episode. I'm a writer too, and touch on some of this same material in more than one of my fanfics (I don't only write fanfic, but it's the only fiction I've written that I actually put online).

CMWriter
September 22nd, 2011, 06:27 PM
I love your take on this, both here and on your blog! Great job, and I agree with your feelings regarding the episode. I'm a writer too, and touch on some of this same material in more than one of my fanfics (I don't only write fanfic, but it's the only fiction I've written that I actually put online).

Thanks! You'll know how this feels, being a writer, but it pleases me greatly to know that people are actually looking at my blog and reading my reviews. I really am enjoying the project. Feedback is my motivation to keep writing, though.
I'm avoiding fanfic for the time being (ya gotta understand, I can't have spoilers! :o) but once I get further in I'd like to see some. Maybe I'll check out yours! (:

SF_and_Coffee
September 22nd, 2011, 06:53 PM
I understand completely! My fic stems from the Season 2 episode "A Matter of Time" and contains major and minor spoilers for basically the first two seasons, so you'll want to wait to begin reading it until after you've finished Season 2, or at least up through "A Matter of Time". It's a loooong story -- we're talking epic novel length -- so if you were to start it after watching AMOT, you likely wouldn't run into any truly meaningful spoilers for later Season 2 episodes until after you'd seen them anyway.

Feedback is definitely a motivational tool for me! :D

moondragon
October 13th, 2011, 04:03 PM
This one is one of the best quotes of the series :D Laughed long an hard after hearing this :D
Also I agree that it was great episode centered on Jack.

Teal'c trying to take out his staff weapon also had me roflmao....and apparently he isnt a fan of metal :D

QueteshRuled
October 16th, 2011, 11:40 AM
great. introduced us to jack, made tealc a little paranoid, and the first of a long line of forgotten races that will never be drudged up

*cough,cough, furlings, cough,cough, re'tu, cough,cough, Oannes...etc...cough,cough*

Dumdidu
November 5th, 2011, 07:40 AM
At first i dont want to watch this episode a second time. I dont know why. At the end my obsession win and i watched it. Now i think, it is a very interessing episode. it discussed the deep story of the death of jacks son. I think it must be so terrible, if my son will be killed by my gun.

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 08:52 AM
Strange episode, it was okay.

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who cries like a baby every time I watch this one...:danielanime08:

SF_and_Coffee
July 26th, 2012, 09:23 AM
No, you aren't. It gets to me too, on many levels.

Major_Clanger
September 16th, 2012, 07:59 AM
Why oh why did Jack let the crystal do that to Sarah? In what way would that help her?

Aside of that, like First Commandment, I thought this ep was there to give a bit of background to Jack, fill it in a little, and while I thought it was a good ep I think it could have done a whole lot more.

SF_and_Coffee
September 16th, 2012, 08:11 AM
Why oh why did Jack let the crystal do that to Sarah? In what way would that help her?
In what way was it a matter of his letting it do anything? Jack was never in control of the crystal entity in any way.


Aside of that, like First Commandment, I thought this ep was there to give a bit of background to Jack, fill it in a little, and while I thought it was a good ep I think it could have done a whole lot more.
That's what I liked about this ep, too. We got to learn a lot more about Jack O'Neill the man.

Major_Clanger
September 16th, 2012, 10:13 AM
when it changed into Charlie it then asked if Sara was still around. At that point I felt that Jack should have guessed that it wanted to see her, and if he'd said it would upset her too much, it would have just left with Jack (after all, it only wanted to find Charlie to cheer Jack up and make him better on its planet)

SF_and_Coffee
September 16th, 2012, 11:03 AM
Well, if you look at all the time it spent with Sara, it seems pretty clear (at least to me) that it was trying to help her, too. And by the time it turned into Charlie it realized it had probably caused some problems with her that it had better resolve. I think that's why it asked, and I don't think Jack necessarily thought this would upset Sara any more than what had already happened. That's the way it appeared to me, anyway.

Mind you, I've also had my perceptions colored more recently by some fanfic I've read that deals with Sara's reactions to all of this after the fact, but what struck me about the fic was how closely the author's assessment of that mirrored my own.

Major_Clanger
September 16th, 2012, 11:08 AM
I wonder if you and your fic writer have children? I think that makes a difference (digging through my folders on an old usb stick I find that i also wrote a fic about this ep a long long time ago :D)

It's most definitely coloured by the fact that I have children. I don't think that having just about come to terms with Charlie's death she'd want even half a second looking at "him"

but we all see it differently

fems
September 16th, 2012, 11:53 AM
I think the whole thing was about Sara not having come to terms with Charlie's death. It had been two or three (?) years since the boy died and yet everything appeared to have been left the same as it was the day he died (although I'm not sure the living room was as pink when Jack was still living there). Not just his room, which you often hear (on television at least) remains the same when children go missing or die, but even his toys and bike were still lying around the yard.

So, the crystal, being able to sense someone's pain/sorrow, picked up on Sara's unresolved feelings and wanted to give her a chance to say goodbye to her son, in the hope of helping her move on. The details surrounding Charlie's death have never been mentioned, but I assume he either died on impact or shortly thereafter in the hospital, probably never regaining consciousness and therefore never giving either of his parents a real chance to say goodbye.

SF_and_Coffee
September 16th, 2012, 05:45 PM
I wonder if you and your fic writer have children? I think that makes a difference (digging through my folders on an old usb stick I find that i also wrote a fic about this ep a long long time ago :D)
I don't, but:


I think the whole thing was about Sara not having come to terms with Charlie's death. It had been two or three (?) years since the boy died and yet everything appeared to have been left the same as it was the day he died (although I'm not sure the living room was as pink when Jack was still living there). Not just his room, which you often hear (on television at least) remains the same when children go missing or die, but even his toys and bike were still lying around the yard.

So, the crystal, being able to sense someone's pain/sorrow, picked up on Sara's unresolved feelings and wanted to give her a chance to say goodbye to her son, in the hope of helping her move on. The details surrounding Charlie's death have never been mentioned, but I assume he either died on impact or shortly thereafter in the hospital, probably never regaining consciousness and therefore never giving either of his parents a real chance to say goodbye.
This.

Major_Clanger
September 17th, 2012, 10:38 AM
that sounds plausible. I just know that as a mother, I'd not want to be confronted by that, no matter how well meaning.

And he was such a cute kid!

fems
September 17th, 2012, 10:58 AM
that sounds plausible. I just know that as a mother, I'd not want to be confronted by that, no matter how well meaning.

And he was such a cute kid!

Well, Jack had been married to Sara for over a decade probably and he felt it was a good idea, otherwise he would have stopped "Charlie" from seeing her. In this case I don't think you can answer it simply based on the fact that you (don't) have children because of the circumstances surrounding the boy's death. Only those who were involved can give an answer, because not every child's death, no matter how heartbreaking, is the same.

ngewakl
December 13th, 2012, 12:55 PM
This is what rewatching stargate is all about. I forgot this episode but upon watching it again, I remember why I liked it so much. It was a very emotional story and we got to see who Jack really is inside. Tealc's line about needing his staff weapon was classic.

Alpaca
March 18th, 2013, 09:41 PM
First thing that came to mind is....why is it that after the alien tells them he's dying, Jack just hunkers down for a long winded discussion instead of hopping to it and getting the alien back to the stargate? Same thing with the other crystal alien in the lab, after that one specifically says, it needs to return to the stargate because it's dying, they just stand around discussing science.

Falcon Horus
May 17th, 2013, 03:51 AM
Ugh, the episode that "inspired" Atlantis PTB to write the horrendous Doppelganger... :(

Sam and Daniel are hilarious in this episode, like two kids in a candystore. Permission to fire Teal'c's weapon... err... sure... :p
Teal'c watching TV -- he's no rocker for sure. Sadly the images displayed are still very accurate to this day. Not much has changed -- we're still a strange world.

Not really a fan of the episode, but I guess it's good they touched upon the death of Charlie and Jack's family, and get it over with.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 9th, 2013, 07:18 AM
Season 1, Disc 2 -- six episodes on one disk. More than I remembered.

This is one of my all time favorite Stargate episodes. I like it because it features RDA, because we see what Jack was like before Charlie died and because I think it's got a very good script. I also like the actress chosen to play Sara. And the boy who plays Charlie is terrific.

It also has one of my favorite special effects, when the energy being morphs into Charlie as it reaches out to touch Jack's chest. Maybe there are movies and even other TV shows where that kind of morphing was done better; I doubt there were any where it was more effective.

Seaboe

Sparky She-Demon
September 11th, 2013, 02:58 PM
How old was Charlie when he died?

hedwig
September 11th, 2013, 04:31 PM
How old was Charlie when he died?

8 or 9.

Sparky She-Demon
September 11th, 2013, 04:38 PM
8 or 9.

Thanks. I'm going to be going with 8.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 12th, 2013, 06:44 AM
Actually, hedwig & Sparky, then never said how old he was. He could've been as old as 10 (going by the appearance of the boys they hired to play him).

Seaboe

Sparky She-Demon
September 12th, 2013, 07:05 AM
Basically in the 8-10 range. That helps.

hedwig
September 12th, 2013, 09:01 AM
Actually, hedwig & Sparky, then never said how old he was. He could've been as old as 10 (going by the appearance of the boys they hired to play him).

Seaboe

I go by appearance and stuff he seems to be interested in. And guessing. :)

Sparky She-Demon
September 12th, 2013, 09:03 AM
I go by appearance and stuff he seems to be interested in. And guessing. :)

Guessing is usually involved!

AsgardGirl
September 15th, 2014, 04:46 AM
I have mix feelings about this episode.
I like the part on the base : Teal’c and TV, Sam and Daniel studying the crystal.
I don’t like the part with the crystal copy of Jack, how easy he/it was going from place to place not having difficulties with Earth transportation and customs. And my biggest problem in this episode: Sara. She was married to Jack, and a kid with him and lived with him we don’t know how long and she didn’t notice that his behavior is strange, that it’s not him? It made her look stupid.

Falcon Horus
September 15th, 2014, 07:50 AM
And my biggest problem in this episode: Sara. She was married to Jack, and a kid with him and lived with him we don’t know how long and she didn’t notice that his behavior is strange, that it’s not him? It made her look stupid.

Do we even know how long they were separated after Charlie died?

He clearly hadn't talked to her in a long time, and considering his line of work it probably wasn't so farfetched that she didn't immediately realized something was off with him. They hadn't seen each other in a long time, people do change you know.

AsgardGirl
September 16th, 2014, 12:58 AM
Do we even know how long they were separated after Charlie died?

In Children of the Gods Jack said that Sarra left when he was on Abydos. This is still season one so it would not be longer than two years.

Falcon Horus
September 16th, 2014, 02:34 AM
In Children of the Gods Jack said that Sarra left when he was on Abydos. This is still season one so it would not be longer than two years.

Two years -- a lot can happen in two years,especially if you haven't seen each other in that time span.

Anja
July 30th, 2015, 07:36 AM
I like this episode, especially the O'Neill/O'Neil scene. It's very emotional in the original version, unfortunately the German synchronized version lacks some of the emotions. Sometimes, when I have a bit time, I compare the two versions - the original ones are better, because some puns and emotions get lost.

ANJA

Falcon Horus
July 30th, 2015, 01:31 PM
I thank every god and goddess in existence Stargate was never dubbed in Dutch, although my sister and I once dubbed a scene for laughs... even our dad who isn't a stargate watcher joined in and then we completely went off the rails. :p

maneth
August 8th, 2015, 09:50 AM
A rather depressing episode, even if the crystal entities were interesting. Fun to learn more about Jack's background.

Falcon Horus
October 28th, 2017, 05:57 AM
I really can't find anything in this episode to keep my interest.

It's great that they go back and touch upon the death of Jack's son Tyler Charlie, but I'm just not interested in it, or maybe it's the way the story is told -- I don't know. It simply doesn't phase me one way or another. I'm just meh about it, whatever.

We never see the crystals again either so it's just a forgettable episode as far as I'm concerned. However what I do love about it, and they are just adorkable, are Sam and Daniel excited about the research on the crystal. When they come running into Teal'c's quarters, like two kids about to do a science experiment they know they should ask permission for but won't get a yes for so they just do it and hope for the best. They are brilliant. And Teal'c's reaction is priceless. :p

Not gonna rate this episode cause I don't feel I can rate it objectively. It's not interesting to me, so I would probably rate it poor, but Richard's execution of the two O'Neill's is very good so it would have to be rated good.

Afterthought...

There's a second thing I really like about this episode -- nearly forgot to write it down here. The imagery of the bright yellow and the blue of the sky, and the green/black of SG-1 in the middle of it. I think you can guess what the image for the puzzle is going to be. ;)

aretood2
October 28th, 2017, 08:59 AM
I like episodes that get into characters' heads or pushes them in different ways.
So I actually rather enjoyed this episode when I saw it. I also liked the idea of crystalline life. Stargate didn't due truly alien aliens enough if you ask me.

Falcon Horus
October 28th, 2017, 03:31 PM
Sidenote or addendum to my earlier post: my DVD-set spells the title of the episode wrong -- it says Cold Lazerus instead of Lazarus. Both on the back and in the menu.

Anyhoodle...

Bringing forth the quiz for this round of episodes (https://goo.gl/forms/cgPWvBrNqNhlh3Bh1).

And another puzzle --> Cold Lazarus (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=P1IGO7NW)

Good luck! :D

jelgate
October 28th, 2017, 06:09 PM
Its so strange agreeing with FH. We used to never agree. Its largely that I find the episode is pointless. They never seem to revist this backstory and their is little to no mention to the Jack's past after this episode. I was far more interested in the crystal aliens. After we find out the Goa'uld killed the crystal aliens, the episode shifts more about the fake Jack. A missed opportunity to explore a new kind of alien

8 minutes and 44 second

Falcon Horus
October 29th, 2017, 01:45 AM
Its so strange agreeing with FH.

Could it be the beginning of the end of the world? Is this a sign of the apocalypse coming? :replicatoranime01:

jelgate
October 29th, 2017, 06:09 AM
In a few years, we'll get to Atlantis:P

Falcon Horus
October 29th, 2017, 07:51 AM
In a few years, we'll get to Atlantis:P

The world is safe. :p

Falcon Horus
November 12th, 2017, 08:37 AM
Harder than I thought: 8:03

BethHG
June 9th, 2018, 09:30 AM
9:30

I thought it was a good episode. It dragged on in some places but RDA acting in this is excellent!

I loved Sam and Daniel in cohoots to get Teal'c to use his staff weapon. Poor Teal'c watching the news.

I liked seeing Jack's back story fleshed out some more.

9:30 for the puzzle-- getting a feel for it.

Falcon Horus
June 9th, 2018, 02:01 PM
I loved Sam and Daniel in cohoots to get Teal'c to use his staff weapon.

Like two kids knowing they're going to be in trouble for it, but convincing the third that all is going to be fine and yes, they are really allowed to do that. :p

Platschu
August 21st, 2018, 10:08 AM
Errors :

1.
Hammond and Carter talks about the Iris, that somebody has sent the code and it was disappearing. But the wormhole was only activated after this conversation, so the code could never arrive.

2. The pictures are rotated in 90 angle when "Jack" checks his ring:
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/1x06/01.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/1x06/02.jpg
My comment : it can happen that he has shaken it with his other hand or something.

Falcon Horus
August 22nd, 2018, 06:25 AM
No, that's definitely a continuity error. They are stacked too neatly to have been shaken 90 degrees.

Davey
August 27th, 2018, 04:36 PM
Poor Sarah......poor Sarah.....not only left out on a limb about Jack and seeing a double of Charlie but left standing there with no follow up in the hospital all alone, never to be seen again.

Who Knows
September 3rd, 2018, 09:39 PM
Missed this one. 9.35. Nothing to write home about.

hedwig
September 4th, 2018, 12:39 PM
Poor Sarah......poor Sarah.....not only left out on a limb about Jack and seeing a double of Charlie but left standing there with no follow up in the hospital all alone, never to be seen again.

The saving grace in this is that Sarah shows up frequently in fanfiction. I'm glad, because I liked her. i felt so bad for her. And worse still is that she can't even talk to anyone about it because of national security.

AleksisMi
September 6th, 2018, 07:58 PM
i always wondered if they would come back to her having found some sense of balance in a later episode, perhaps she gets a new purpose in life, or her and jack get back together, and maybe even have a go at mending thier relationship, then again jack could just ask the asgard to clone thier son... but that would be sadly dark... then again he could get the asgard to clone thebody.... get in a time jumper, grab the kid before he shoots himself, leave the fake body that was never alive there instead, bring him forward in time after shooting thegun in a really horrible nightmare inducing scene, and then they both hop in the jumper go forward in time to just after the hospital scene and rebuild their family... and time travel means the sgc doesnt notice he borrrowed the time jumper... but the ancients do... and who knowswhat htey will do, or think etc :p

photoglyph
October 2nd, 2018, 05:34 PM
Not a proper comment, but I have a computer again (among the living!) and wanted to post something that occurred to me some time ago.

The crystal beings always reminded me of something but I couldn't quite remember what it was, then, I stumbled upon it. The cover from a novel by science fiction writer Ursula K. LeGuin, 'The Left Hand of Darkness,' which I would assumed is from the early 70's.42723

I would rate 'Cold Lazarus' as a 7/8 out of 10, as I've stated previously, it's difficult for me to really think of any episodes I dislike... OK, 'One False Step' is one I really dislike and probably don't watch.

photoglyph
October 2nd, 2018, 05:39 PM
From the Wiki:
"The Left Hand of Darkness is a science fiction novel by U.S. writer Ursula K. Le Guin, published in 1969. The novel became immensely popular and established Le Guin's status as a major author of science fiction.[6]

The novel follows the story of Genly Ai, a native of Terra, who is sent to the planet of Gethen as an envoy of the Ekumen, a loose confederation of planets. Ai's mission is to persuade the nations of Gethen to join the Ekumen, but he is stymied by his lack of understanding of Gethenian culture. Individuals on Gethen are ambisexual, with no fixed sex. This fact has a strong influence on the culture of the planet, and creates a barrier of understanding for Ai.

The Left Hand of Darkness was among the first books in the genre now known as feminist science fiction and is the most famous examination of androgyny in science fiction.[7] A major theme of the novel is the effect of sex and gender on culture and society, explored in particular through the relationship between Ai and Estraven, a Gethenian politician who trusts and helps him. Within that context, the novel also explores the interaction between the unfolding loyalties of its main characters, the loneliness and rootlessness of Ai, and the contrast between the religions of Gethen's two major nations. The theme of gender also touched off a feminist debate when it was first published, over depictions of the ambisexual Gethenians."