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April 26th, 2004, 01:53 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 105</FONT>
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SG-1 must stop a renegade Stargate commander, who has gone mad and set himself up as a god on an alien planet.

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KorbenDirewolf
June 11th, 2004, 11:30 AM
I think Jonas could have made a nice recurring character if he hadn't of died in this episode. Think about it, a Tauri who has come to think of himself as a god trying to setup an empire somewhere..

Newbie
June 11th, 2004, 06:52 PM
he didn't become to think of himself as a god, he went cRazy...what's so interesting about that? he deserved death

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 03:38 AM
I thought this ep. was pretty good. I liked the way Teal'c opened the way to the second machine. V. funny!

Newbie
June 12th, 2004, 12:51 PM
I liked it beacuse it showed that Earth's Air Force doesn't have the best...aka not everyone is sg1....but i didn't like that it was that early in the show...too fast of integration

Crazedwraith
June 12th, 2004, 12:55 PM
I'm fond of this episode. Twas tres cool.

KorbenDirewolf
June 12th, 2004, 04:16 PM
he didn't become to think of himself as a god, he went cRazy...what's so interesting about that? he deserved death

He portrayed himself as a god to the cave-dwellers.. Its just that he also happened to beleive it himself. Seems to me he acted in pretty much the same manner as most Goa'uld, although they normally don't believe themselves so much about being gods.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 06:58 PM
It was to early in the series for someone from the SGC to go nuts.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 07:01 AM
The episode sucked, but I wonder. Couldn't this shield maybe help us to contain oxygen, if we wanted to colonize the moon or something.

KorbenDirewolf
July 11th, 2004, 11:19 AM
It was a radiation shield. How would that help with oxygen?

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 06:45 PM
The episode sucked, but I wonder. Couldn't this shield maybe help us to contain oxygen, if we wanted to colonize the moon or something.
It is unlikely that the shield can be used to contain matter.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 07:56 PM
It was a radiation shield. How would that help with oxygen?

MAGNETS! duuuuuuuuuuh :P

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Is that device in the pic of Ancient design? Something like that was found in "The Torment of Tantalus" and also there is a pic of something like that in a pic from Atlantis.

Bagpuss
July 19th, 2004, 04:19 AM
Weird ep,IMO. I didn't really enjoy some parts of the story,but there were some good moments. :S
I'll have to rewatch this ep as it's been a fair while.

Fave quote/scene : Daniel to Sam:"This tastes like chicken ".
Sam:"What's wrong with that?"
Daniel:"It's Macaroni Cheese".

So much for M.R.E.s ! :eek:

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 04:20 AM
I hated it.

Selmak
July 19th, 2004, 08:10 PM
who was that guy... was he part of an SG team and went nuts?

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 04:54 PM
Exactly what was the device in the pic supposed to do?

greytop
August 25th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Exactly what was the device in the pic supposed to do?
A force sheild is bounce between two of the devices that is to keep the sun's dangerous raditaion out.

There is a young man in the show that helped SG-1. Wasn't he also one of the children from Abydos?

Crazedwraith
August 26th, 2004, 12:26 AM
who was that guy... was he part of an SG team and went nuts?
Exactly what was the device in the pic supposed to do?

:eek: Did you actually watch the episode? Yes Jonas Hnasen was commander of SG-9, Conner's unit, he wnet nuts and pretended to be a god. Hos 2nd in commnad seems to have gone along with it. Conner and the other member of the team ran for the gate and the one whowasn't conner was killed.

The device create a sheild to block harm uv radiation.

This was all explained if you actually watched an episode.

It was to early in the series for someone from the SGC to go nuts
No, It better someone went nuts now that later, surely the first time your called a God is going to most tempting rite?

Anubis
August 26th, 2004, 01:07 AM
:eek: Did you actually watch the episode? Yes Jonas Hnasen was commander of SG-9, Conner's unit, he wnet nuts and pretended to be a god. Hos 2nd in commnad seems to have gone along with it. Conner and the other member of the team ran for the gate and the one whowasn't conner was killed.



I agree Craized, you'd actually understand if you actually watched the episode. But since I just got up, the device is used for a bright energy beam. He had one of two devices, and needed them to be activated. Yet, he doesn't know how to turn them on...until Carter arrives.

darkwarden
August 26th, 2004, 05:47 AM
Weird ep,IMO. I didn't really enjoy some parts of the story,but there were some good moments. :S
I'll have to rewatch this ep as it's been a fair while.

Fave quote/scene : Daniel to Sam:"This tastes like chicken ".
Sam:"What's wrong with that?"
Daniel:"It's Macaroni Cheese".

So much for M.R.E.s ! :eek:

That was a pretty good part, but also the part where Carter knocks down the guy beating the slave with his gun was pretty funny.

Anubis
August 26th, 2004, 06:04 AM
That was a pretty good part, but also the part where Carter knocks down the guy beating the slave with his gun was pretty funny.



That bit wasn't too bad, it did make me laugh, but then what needs to be done, must be done! ;)

darkwarden
August 26th, 2004, 06:11 AM
Yeah I guess, my memory of that episode is a bit rusty, but I can remember most of it, I seem to remember that when Teal'c shot the stone thing that had the shield device in it the bit of stone that was blasted out was a perfect circle, shouldn't it have been elliptical?

Major Fischer
August 26th, 2004, 06:16 AM
It was to early in the series for someone from the SGC to go nuts.

Not to put a fine point on it... but the last year that the air force released these sorts of stats, more than 5,000 people with access to nuclear related material (weapons, targetting information, bomber maintenance, security... ect) were moved out of their jobs each year for mental instability. That was out of about 100,000 people.

Now that stat is from 1980, which was the last time they released that information. It's incidently, the last year they released the total number of broken arrows as well. 51 since 1945. That's an average of more than 1 a year. Food for thought.

Not good food for thought... but still. People got nuts when they go nuts, even people in classified jobs.

Anubis
August 26th, 2004, 06:22 AM
It was to early in the series for someone from the SGC to go nuts.



It wasn't the SGC until the gate was actually reactivated, it was just a base of standard military people, he could have went nuts anytime. Besides, that episode wouldn't have been based 'next-day' so anything could happen between the time gap.

ibwolf
August 26th, 2004, 06:33 AM
It wasn't the SGC until the gate was actually reactivated, it was just a base of standard military people, he could have went nuts anytime. Besides, that episode wouldn't have been based 'next-day' so anything could happen between the time gap.

Yeah, I always figured that he wasn't exactly playing with a full deck of cards beforehand and then (if I remember the show correctly) it got worse when he went out to find that kid. Heat like that can mess seriously with your mind. Top that off with a bunch of people worshiping the ground you walk on and presto you are off your rocker.

Anubis
August 26th, 2004, 06:39 AM
Yeah, I always figured that he wasn't exactly playing with a full deck of cards beforehand and then (if I remember the show correctly) it got worse when he went out to find that kid. Heat like that can mess seriously with your mind. Top that off with a bunch of people worshiping the ground you walk on and presto you are off your rocker.



So very true. I don't think he was mental at first, perhaps something that happened in his life that made him do something like this.

ibwolf
August 26th, 2004, 06:42 AM
So very true. I don't think he was mental at first, perhaps something that happened in his life that made him do something like this.

No, he wasn't "mental" going in. Just a little unhinged (as was O'Neil in the movie). But then events conspired to both deep fry his brain and put him in a position of power and influence. Things just took their natural course.

Crazedwraith
August 26th, 2004, 01:37 PM
I agree Craized, you'd actually understand if you actually watched the episode. But since I just got up, the device is used for a bright energy beam. He had one of two devices, and needed them to be activated. Yet, he doesn't know how to turn them on...until Carter arrives.


Um... I'm not quite sure what you mean Anubis my good friend?
When I said "Did you watch the episode?" I was talng to Selamk who was asking odd questions. Not Hansen.

Anubis
August 26th, 2004, 01:40 PM
Um... I'm not quite sure what you mean Anubis my good friend?
When I said "Did you watch the episode?" I was talng to Selamk who was asking odd questions. Not Hansen.



Sorry Craized, I misjudged you there. I got confused with a fanfic I was reading at the time. ;)

Crazedwraith
August 26th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Sorry Craized, I misjudged you there. I got confused with a fanfic I was reading at the time. ;)
You're forgiven, my child. But only if you stop misspelling my name... there no "I" in team...er....Crazed.

Anubis
August 26th, 2004, 02:36 PM
You're forgiven, my child. But only if you stop misspelling my name... there no "I" in team...er....Crazed.


OK, noted. I'll just have to actually remember now! :D

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 06:50 AM
This was one of the boring episodes of the season, though the writes must have liked it to make another similar to it in season 8.

Don Karnage
September 17th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Hi! I've got a very specific question. When we see the Natives running after Franks and Conner, some of them wear masks made of "hardened earth" I kow I've seen it worn by a civilization on Earth and I believe it'S the Diolas form Sengal. Can somebody tell me if I'm right or not?

Thanks. :)

Uncle Dick
September 17th, 2004, 08:47 PM
The story itself it just so-so but the quotes/moments make this episode far better than most episodes in S4-8.

My favorites:
The way the Stargate theme swells over the drumbeat at the beginning when the doomed team member tells his partner to get back to the gate. (Notice how they never use the Stargate cue anymore?)

"Does it say Colonel anywhere on my uniform?"

Daniel's furtive glance at Jack when discussing Jonas' mental instability with Carter.

Jack's biblical knowledge (or lack thereof).

Lord Zedd
September 19th, 2004, 05:53 AM
So why did the SGC let this guy lead an SG unit I think the SGC will select only the very best and this guy was nuts!! :p

Matt G
September 19th, 2004, 08:17 AM
Psychologists can be fooled!

Spoilers for S5 Threshold: Teal'c suckered McKensie into thinking he wasn't worshipping Apothis any more

Uncle Dick
September 19th, 2004, 08:53 AM
So why did the SGC let this guy lead an SG unit I think the SGC will select only the very best and this guy was nuts!! :p
To quote Apocalypse Now, which several aspects of this episode remind me of, "I think the sun put the zap on his head." Sometimes the unstable types slip through the cracks and/or circumstances promote the production of a god-complex (remember Philip Zombardo's prison experiment? or Abu Gharib?).

SeaBee
September 19th, 2004, 09:28 AM
There was probably some kind of underlying instability in the guys character, but not enough to show up in psych tests.

Spiderman
September 19th, 2004, 01:07 PM
So why did the SGC let this guy lead an SG unit I think the SGC will select only the very best and this guy was nuts!! :p
Maybe he was schitzofrenic???Perhaps?

zats
September 19th, 2004, 05:15 PM
And so begins Sam's trend of obsessive boyfriends. She really runs through them.

What was good:

a. Sam. In this case, I'm more than slightly biased; I like Sam-centered eps. So forgive me. But I think AT did a good job, and I love the bit where Sam beans Hanson's flunky--Baker, I think. Yay! And the part when Teal'c told Daniel that they wouldn't have been able to stop her if they'd wanted to. Double yay! Oh, and the background story was nicely handy for writing fic.

b. Jamala. He was so funny (and being cute doesn't hurt him much, either! :) ).

c. The opener. I. Was. Hooked.

What wasn't so good:

a. During the nighttime ambush, where the natives kidnapped Connor, I am sorry but I could swear that some of them were wearing egg crates on their heads. Weird.

b. Why didn't Connor just go through the 'gate after they shot Frakes? He could have made it.

c. I think the 'gate shut down early; Connor didn't go through and it shut down WAY under the 38-minute window.

Still a good episode. Sam-centered generally equals good. (Excepting Emancipation).

Uncle Dick
September 19th, 2004, 06:22 PM
c. I think the 'gate shut down early; Connor didn't go through and it shut down WAY under the 38-minute window.
I was under the impression that the 'gate shut down automatically after a short time if no matter passed through it or if no one on either end made a conscious effort to keep it open.

zats
September 19th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Ah. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks.

JediTrilobite
October 11th, 2004, 06:19 AM
Did this episode remind anyone of Heart of Darkness?

Major Fischer
October 11th, 2004, 07:30 AM
Did this episode remind anyone of Heart of Darkness?

A bit, I wouldn't be surprise if it was deliberate on the part of the writers/director.

Daniel's_twin
October 13th, 2004, 06:25 PM
I enjoyed this episode. As someone else said, began Carter's long line of boyfriends/old boyfriends who wind up fried (I know he didn't actually get fried, so please don't correct me on that) and showed some of the problems when you play God. :cool:

zats
October 29th, 2004, 05:19 PM
Playing God...does this means that I have to stop making the aliens blow up SimCity?! Curses!

Lord Zedd
November 11th, 2004, 08:23 AM
What a nutcase that Jonas was and poor guy that got burned :(

Slainey
December 28th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Hansen dialed, didn't he. He said he was sending them to Earth but it could have been anywhere with an active gate. LOL He was cool. I liked seeing the continuium of Sam's taste in men. If she greets every guy with the genitles speech no wonder she scares off all the sane ones.

Every time the shows reset I say I'm not going to watch anymore but I do. There's always something new to notice.

zats
December 28th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Every time the shows reset I say I'm not going to watch anymore but I do. There's always something new to notice.
Yes, I do that too. :rolleyes: I pass SciFi looking for something else, and eventually wind up back at SciFi watching Stargate instead of the show I was looking for in the first place. I like to catch the little stuff; it's what makes a show good. That's also why I like reading spoilers. If I know where a plot's going, it gives me time to concentrate on the details without being distracted by plot twists and unexpecteds. :cool:

ShimmeringStar
January 30th, 2005, 06:59 AM
IMOHO Jonas was an arrogant control freak. The planet’s environment was just the ‘alcohol’ he needed to open up & give free reign to his ‘dark side.’ (Sam admitted he liked control and that “he had this in him”…) Apparently their engagement was well before the SGC, because she said to Daniel that “he seemed like he'd really pulled himself together when we met up at Stargate Command,” implying that they'd been apart for a long while. Was really irritated when Sam wouldn’t pull that trigger to rid them all of Jonas.http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_icons/icon8.gif

Favorite Line: “Well. We're off to see the wizard.” (Jack)
:)

jckfan55
January 30th, 2005, 08:23 AM
I Was really irritated when Sam wouldn’t pull that trigger to rid them all of Jonas.http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_icons/icon8.gif


I think the Sam of later seasons would have.

Daniel's_twin
January 30th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Yeah. I think she needed to "grow up" a little. :cool:

Im_just_guessing
February 26th, 2005, 12:38 PM
Why could Sam be engaged to Jonas, but not have a relationship with Oneill?

And if its because he's her direct superior officer, why couldnt she request a transfer to SG-2?

SmartFox
March 3rd, 2005, 09:14 AM
Why havent we taken a study of the of UV force field thing. If we could backwards engineer it then it would be an excellent thing. There is so much skin cancer in our world (obviously not as bad as there world). We could use that on Earth.

I was a little disapointed when Sam didn't just shoot Jonas but that was the only thing i didn't like.

greytop
March 3rd, 2005, 10:22 AM
Why could Sam be engaged to Jonas, but not have a relationship with Oneill?
I believe this happened before SGC came into being by the way they were talking about it.

Im_just_guessing
March 3rd, 2005, 03:52 PM
But they still would have been in the Air Force.

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 3rd, 2005, 04:06 PM
But they still would have been in the Air Force.

Yes, but that doesn't mean they would've been in a direct chain of command.

This ep was a bit of a mental shrug for me. The concept was interesting, but it just couldn't pull me in. I would've liked to see more back story on Sam and Jonas because it was a stretch for me to see someone like Sam going for a guy that went that nuts.

"We're off to see the wizard." Long live the wizard of oz references!

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 05:47 PM
So UV radiation causes people to go insane and start to believe that they are gods? Oookay

darkwarden
March 9th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Thats really just dehydration and sun stroke combined. The Gods thing was just his own delusions.

SmartFox
March 9th, 2005, 06:23 PM
So UV radiation causes people to go insane and start to believe that they are gods? Oookay

Think of it this way. Hes out for a whole day? In alot hotter tempature and deadlier sun rays then Earth. Hes obviously not feeling too good at the moment and isn't quite right in the head and then the people start prasing you. Then maybe he gets better but decides to roll with it or maybe he never gets quite right.

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Think of it this way. Hes out for a whole day? In alot hotter tempature and deadlier sun rays then Earth. Hes obviously not feeling too good at the moment and isn't quite right in the head and then the people start prasing you. Then maybe he gets better but decides to roll with it or maybe he never gets quite right.


People with god complexes tend to make others very afraid. very, very afraid

yasureubetcha
March 10th, 2005, 07:14 PM
I just saw this ep. for the first time today (I haven't seen a bunch of Season 1) and I finally understood the "Colonel on my uniform" allusion in Wormhole X-treme!

If he was insane, why did the other SG guy follow him? Was he insane/sun-touched too? And if he was just power-hungry, again why would the guy follow him? I wondered that throughout the ep.

PugGate
March 29th, 2005, 04:59 PM
I just saw this ep. for the first time today (I haven't seen a bunch of Season 1) and I finally understood the "Colonel on my uniform" allusion in Wormhole X-treme!

If he was insane, why did the other SG guy follow him? Was he insane/sun-touched too? And if he was just power-hungry, again why would the guy follow him? I wondered that throughout the ep.

I guess the sun on that planet causes earthlings to think they are gods. Wacko :eek:

zats
June 29th, 2005, 05:25 PM
So UV radiation causes people to go insane and start to believe that they are gods? Oookay
Insane, yes. God complexes, not really. All the radiation did was further unbalance Hanson, thus giving his control complex a little more room to roam.

.:Lemon:.
August 24th, 2005, 07:13 AM
I don't really know what to make of this episode.....I kinda enjoyed it. Here starts Carter's infamous Black Widow curse ;)

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 12:56 AM
Go Girl!!! way to go Carter, hitting that guy

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 08:17 PM
A little Carter here me roar.........not the most original plot........but hey it was in the first season and i liked it

Pharaoh Atem
January 31st, 2006, 06:34 PM
It was to early in the series for someone from the SGC to go nuts.
shows you how far things have come around.

this was a good episode a little boring didn't like the beginning with that guy getting killed.

also it shoed that same had a relaionship with some one at one point and it wasn't all work and no life

andrelage
February 12th, 2006, 11:58 AM
this episode was average, because i liked the idea that there might be some sgc personnel that might just go crazy and use their knowledge to gain power. i really liked this episode.

captain jake
May 4th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Shows how stuff can go to your head fast!!

Chelle DB
June 3rd, 2006, 02:15 AM
Nice intro to a part of Sams personal life. Didn't like Jonas but I guess we weren't meant to either. Best part for me was when Sam punched the bad guy for hitting the slave guy. I like tough soldier Sam - especially when she decks a baddy who's almost twice her size - nice!!!!

captain jake
June 25th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Haha I have always found carters fighting very awkward and out of place. I think she is tough but do you know what I mean when I say she literaly fights like a girl haha.

Miyth
July 7th, 2006, 09:30 PM
This episode always erked me a bit... I think it was just too soon in the show, and it REALLY confused me the first time I watched it. I couldn't figure out who the Jonas guy was and I kept feeling like I had missed an episode or something.

Don't get me wrong, it was an okay episode; I just wish they would have waited a little longer and placed it a bit farther along in the season.

captain jake
July 7th, 2006, 11:19 PM
I never really got that feeling while I was watching it jonas was with the sgc and had a past relationship with sam........ Why did it confuse you?

Miyth
July 8th, 2006, 04:48 PM
I kept thinking he was a character that had shown up earlier in the show in an episode I had missed or something (this is before I bought the DVDs). I don't kow it seemed so soon in the series for random SGC personel having past relations and going nutzo.

I guess it really shouldn't have been that confusing, I'm just weird that way.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:19 PM
yeah we didnt even know about sam and this dude till this episode they should just have a episode to show all the relation ships the people have had

captain jake
July 21st, 2006, 04:02 PM
I kept thinking he was a character that had shown up earlier in the show in an episode I had missed or something (this is before I bought the DVDs). I don't KO it seemed so soon in the series for random SGC personel having past relations and going nutzo.

I guess it really shouldn't have been that confusing, I'm just weird that way.

I suppose I can understand that, don't sweat it!


yeah we didnt even know about sam and this dude till this episode they should just have a episode to show all the relation ships the people have had

*Cough* ha ha that would probably be an extremely flat storyline.

Perhaps tptb shouldn't have created that link between them but it didn't bug me enough to dampen my overall opinion of the episode.

SamCarterFan
April 12th, 2007, 01:45 AM
I so do not understand what Sam ever saw in that man... but then again we all make mistakes :rolleyes:
It's a good thing she gave back that ring when she did I think.
But I keep hearing that Jonas was abusive?.... that wasn't mentioned in the episode right? at least I can't remember. was he?

Theimmortaljedi
July 6th, 2007, 07:08 AM
Hope this is the right place to post this.
What did everyone think of this epp? I am sure it has been talked about over and over but being brand new to the gate I was wondering what everyone thought. Is it a metaphor for egypt? Am I way off? Is it ok if I post my thoughts as I watch each show or has those topics grown stale before I gat here? Just very excited about this show and don't rreally know anyone who watches it. Watching this show to me is like watching a really good mini film. anyone think that way?

jenks
July 6th, 2007, 07:10 AM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=67

Theimmortaljedi
July 6th, 2007, 05:48 PM
What did everyone think of this epp? I am sure it has been talked about over and over but being brand new to the gate I was wondering what everyone thought. Is it a metaphor for egypt? Am I way off? Is it ok if I post my thoughts as I watch each show or has those topics grown stale before I gat here? Just very excited about this show and don't rreally know anyone who watches it. Watching this show to me is like watching a really good mini film. anyone think that way?

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 7th, 2007, 12:02 AM
What did everyone think of this epp? I am sure it has been talked about over and over but being brand new to the gate I was wondering what everyone thought. Is it a metaphor for egypt? Am I way off? Is it ok if I post my thoughts as I watch each show or has those topics grown stale before I gat here? Just very excited about this show and don't rreally know anyone who watches it. Watching this show to me is like watching a really good mini film. anyone think that way?

Please do post as you watch! I don't have Sky, so I'm catching up watching the DVDs and am only just finishing Season 3.

One of the things I love about Stargate is that it works on so many different levels and, as you say, each episode is a bit like a short film in its own right.

I'm no expert, but I think this episode could well be seen as a metaphor for Egypt.

Theimmortaljedi
July 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
thanks. yea the way he made them build even if it killed him, building to a man claiming to be god. i think i read that that is how alot of people feel the buildings where built

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 8th, 2007, 09:24 PM
thanks. yea the way he made them build even if it killed him, building to a man claiming to be god. i think i read that that is how alot of people feel the buildings where built

Egyptian mythology is very complex and I think the jury is still out on the building of the pyramids, etc, though that is certainly one of the theories.

The relationship between Egyptian Pharos and their gods was also very complex; one wouldn't necessarily have to pose as a god to get their subjects to do their will, just making them believe that they have a close enough relationship with the gods would have been enough.

But that's all IMHO, I'm no expert on this stuff.

bob rulz
February 25th, 2008, 06:58 AM
I can't recall any episode of SG-1 that I hate, but this one is probably closest. I concur with the other people who have said that it was too early for someone in the SGC to go crazy. Also, the whole plotline, imo, is preposterous. Yeah, it has its moments like any SG-1 episode, but overall it's just weak. It could've been much better in a later season, I believe.

Colonel Crawford
March 1st, 2008, 06:56 PM
I loved this episode, Hanson could have been a good renegade bad guy but they just had to kill him off. Carter also had barely any emotion for him. I know they broke up but come on.

garhkal
March 3rd, 2008, 02:26 PM
I can't recall any episode of SG-1 that I hate, but this one is probably closest. I concur with the other people who have said that it was too early for someone in the SGC to go crazy.

You would have thought they would have some better screening on their troops than they showed. BUT then again, since the SGC program is so new still, who knows what changes they made to the screening process..

HelloVelo
May 19th, 2008, 12:16 PM
I was going to criticize Sam for being engaged to a guy who enslaved a planet and worked his followers to death, but I realized I've dated worse.

6/10

Full Review:http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/first-commandment.html

L E E
June 25th, 2008, 06:53 AM
Didn't really enjoy this ep much. The trees are pretty tough to be able to withstand the really hot rays of the sun. The vegetation seems quite healthy.

Sam's so smart to be able to fix alien technology. She should have pulle the trigger though.

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 11:58 AM
We have seen SG-1 be manipulated more than their fair share of times. In the episode Need we see Daniel manipulated to the point that he allows his friends to be brought to the brink of death. However, we as an audience realize that it was not his fault. Captain Jonas was not an evil man, like Conner said if it was one thing they would have noticed it and been able to stop him. The combination of sun, traveling to different planets, saving a boy, and the hypnotic effect of having so many people look up to you. I can easily see how a good man could go crazy extremely easy. Sam didn't shoot him because she understood that he was not an evil man and that he could still be helped. It was to bad that they were not able to save both Lieutenant's Conner and Baker.

P-90_177
June 25th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Not to mention that she had some major personal history with him.

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 12:15 PM
Not to mention that she had some major personal history with him.

I try to ignore that aspect of the storyline, it never set well with me. I like to think of Jonas and Sam as fellow Captain's in the Air Force. Carter didn't fire on him because she isn't a murderer.

Pic
July 7th, 2008, 08:08 AM
I had a hard time picturing Jonas as Sam's former love interest, too. However, I like the fact they threw it in, making her seem like she has some sort of 'life' outside the uniform and isn't some sort of automotan. But there was no on-screen chemistry with them and it kind of fell flat.

I'm liking watching the developing friendships between the main 4 characters. Especially Daniel and Teal'c in this one, when they are working together finding the second shield generator.

Pic
July 7th, 2008, 08:09 AM
I was going to criticize Sam for being engaged to a guy who enslaved a planet and worked his followers to death, but I realized I've dated worse.

6/10

Full Review:http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/first-commandment.html

:lol:

pritnep
July 25th, 2008, 06:15 PM
This episode seemed to continue on the theme of the what ifs of Gate travel and is every officer/solider really cut out to interact with other cultures from other worlds.

Sam's lunertic fringe comment and then the camera staying on Jack was interesting - Jack's not crazy just WACKO sometimes (reference to Window of Opportunity). ;)

Sam and Jonas was a bit of a shock I mean from what we have seen so far of Sam she seems to career driven to be worried about a relationship - but I guess it goes to show even the most "hardcore" officer/soldier need a relationship/partner.

Daniel's comment typical of the government and solider comment "the crazier they are the more extreme situation they are put into" then Daniel casually looks at Jack.

Haha Teal'c's drawing was "good" and his smile hehe. I from what we understand in Children of the Gods the Jaffa probably weren't allowed to draw/write as when Daniel draws earth symbol he quickly dusts it out so I guess that's where that comment was drawn from/in relation to or it was just his drawing wasn't that good.

I'm loving all the interesting shots they are doing with the Gate maybe I just don't notice them as much any more or they aren't used so often but they are cool. Oh and Gate lying down and activated was cool to.

Also lots of biblical references in this episode.

Overall not to bad of an episode.

L E E
July 31st, 2008, 06:09 AM
Sam's lunertic fringe comment and then the camera staying on Jack was interesting - Jack's not crazy just WACKO sometimes (reference to Window of Opportunity). ;)




Daniel's comment typical of the government and solider comment "the crazier they are the more extreme situation they are put into" then Daniel casually looks at Jack.


i adore jack's WACKO-ness. :jack:

Cheerful Dragon
September 3rd, 2008, 12:26 AM
This was quite a good one. It showed that Jack was willing to risk being captured while freeing somebody. It showed that Sam may be military, but she won't kill in cold blood. It also (possibly) showed that she hoped Hansen could be 'saved'.

Regarding some previous comments: Egyptian Pharaohs became gods when they died. Occasionally one would want to be worshipped while they were alive (Akhenaten was one, I think), but not often. The pyramids and temples weren't built by slaves. They were built by workers who were paid in food and clothing (Egypt didn't have a cash economy back then). Towns where the workmen lived with their families have been excavated, including evidence that the workmen went on strike if the 'pay' didn't arrive on time. Oh, and if you compare Teal'c's sketch of the 'device' to the cave paintings, it was good. It just wasn't good by the standards of anybody that can draw. (Or maybe Jamala was being kind to somebody he thought might kill him.)

I do have a couple of questions. There were four members of SG-9: Hansen, Connor, Baker and Frakes. Frakes is killed right at the start, Hansen dies when he is thrown through the Stargate, Connor goes back to the SGC with SG-1. What happened to Baker? I don't recall him being thrown through the 'gate and he definitely wasn't there when SG-1 left.

The other question is about the shield. When the two devices are activated, the shield covers an area between the 'gate and the caves. When SG-1 are leaving, Jamala says, "The area outside the caves is big." Daniel replies, "Bigger than you can imagine." Well, the area under the shield when activated isn't that big, and I don't see how it could expand to cover an area bigger than between the two fixed points. Actually, the shield makes me think of the shield in the Childhood's End episode of Atlantis. In that episode the area covered by the shield was limited.

RononXSpecialist
November 6th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Please do post as you watch! I don't have Sky, so I'm catching up watching the DVDs and am only just finishing Season 3.

One of the things I love about Stargate is that it works on so many different levels and, as you say, each episode is a bit like a short film in its own right.

I'm no expert, but I think this episode could well be seen as a metaphor for Egypt.

Oh wow Season 3. You lucky =\ I wish i could rewatch everything without knowing what will happen it would be more exciteing lol. You'll love the Stargate Series

stargatesquee
November 8th, 2008, 02:38 PM
I completely agree. It would have been great to have that. Also, the first time i watched this ep, i was confused by how Carter knew Hansen. The "gave back the ring" thing went over my head. They should have had him introduced earlier in the season if that was possible.
By the way, was anyone else shouting at the screen- "SHOOT HIM! COME ON!" or am i just part of the lunatic fringe?
sorry, this is in reply to the very first post! (I'm new)

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 06:15 AM
I completely agree. It would have been great to have that. Also, the first time i watched this ep, i was confused by how Carter knew Hansen. The "gave back the ring" thing went over my head. They should have had him introduced earlier in the season if that was possible.
By the way, was anyone else shouting at the screen- "SHOOT HIM! COME ON!" or am i just part of the lunatic fringe?
sorry, this is in reply to the very first post! (I'm new)

i wasn't shouting but i was defo thinking it.

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 02:22 PM
its good to see that even the good guys can go power mad. Shows the human side to them. Sam had a good part in the episode in which we see yet aniother side to her. she is slowly finding her ground in this one.

Ozman
May 21st, 2009, 07:08 AM
By the way, was anyone else shouting at the screen- "SHOOT HIM! COME ON!

I was thinking that the first time I watched it and everytime I watch it aswell, I hated that guy and why introduce a Jonas in season 5, when there was already a Jonas person established in S1. Thats not a question, just thinking aloud (typing on a computer keyboard).

Puddle-Jumper
July 21st, 2009, 05:26 PM
The first commandment.. the first episode
That I saw at least..

lordofseas
August 2nd, 2009, 08:15 PM
Well, I liked how the episode proved the saying Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. It was a nice episode.

Hjalmar
August 15th, 2009, 01:22 AM
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season1/105-TheFirstCommandment/screencaps/normal_sg1_105_499.JPG

okay, this was hilarious!!!

as was the remark of Jamala: "nice drawing" :D :D

stargate ROX!

Hummel
August 15th, 2009, 11:44 PM
Teal'c smiles in the first seasons are great!

He worked hard on that don't you think!?! ;)


But I like this episode.
And I like it when Daniel says to Sam the thing with the special ops soldiers and the weird situations. The look he throws to Jack over his shoulder to see how he react on that statement.
And Jack looking away like I have heard nothing... I like that.

mrscopterdoc
January 31st, 2010, 09:44 AM
Well, I liked how the episode proved the saying Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. It was a nice episode.

I agree. I also like how Daniel says that they should have stopped Carter, and Teal's says they would have failed. :D

Sealurk
February 5th, 2010, 09:00 AM
I thought this was one of the best early episodes of SG-1. Nice to see the fallibility of SGC troops early on, helps to ground the series and characters as a whole. The solar radiation thing was a good touch to show that not all worlds are the same.

Some good character (and mythology) development and nice lines...the only thing that confused me was the Independence Day music playing at the end of the episode. I know David Arnold composed the scores for both Stargate and ID4 and both films were by Roland Emmerich, but I'm still not sure why it's in there.

maneth
February 13th, 2010, 03:05 AM
I liked this episode. Wasting Jonas was a bit meh, though. (Especially if he's coming back in the 5th season as another actor...) I liked the insanity of this guy, very well acted. And Teal'c's "smile"! :D

FreshFero
February 21st, 2010, 03:49 AM
I didn't read this whole thread so if this has been answered I'll have to find it later but What happened to Baker? I didn't see them throw him thru the gate and SG1 didn't take him back with them. IMO he should have been sent back for court martial.

Vagabond Serpent
April 2nd, 2010, 08:45 AM
That was the first episode of SG-1 I watched. And it hooked me on SG-1. Can't tell why, but it hooked me. :P It was quite interesting episode, and I laughed a lot at the scene when Daniel joins Jamala on the shore. :D

EDIT: 6/10

Tachyon
April 6th, 2010, 09:41 PM
This episode is alright for me. It always reminds me of X-Files' episode "Our Town" from season two, even though the stories are not similar at all. :P

Girlbot
June 10th, 2010, 10:31 AM
Should have known at this point that Carter's curse with men would be an ongoing situation.:eek:

rushy
July 4th, 2010, 07:51 AM
I think Jonas could have made a nice recurring character if he hadn't of died in this episode. Think about it, a Tauri who has come to think of himself as a god trying to setup an empire somewhere..

Yeah, I hoped that too. Sooo cool. Jonas Hanson. The nemesis of SG-1.

Tallifer
September 6th, 2010, 03:44 AM
I liked this episode. Its plot was eminently believable. What else could be inevitably expected to happen when you throw isolated groups of men into far-flung and strange worlds? This is no different from "Heart of Darkness" or "Apocalypse Now."

But the story could have turned out to be more like Cortez and the Conquest of Mexico. Instead of a crazed adventure, it could have rewritten the future history and civilization of an entire planet. That would be interesting to see in the Stargate universe.

Lunaeclipse
February 12th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Should have known at this point that Carter's curse with men would be an ongoing situation.:eek:

lol... this is the early sign that anyone you date in a series is going to die?... when it starts near the start of the series... It's the Carter curse...

Sam: "I dunno. I guess I've always had a soft spot for the lunatic fringe."

FrodoFraggins
March 18th, 2011, 01:30 PM
It had a couple of good moments but a glaring plot hole.

When Carter was pointing her gun at him, all she had to do was shoot him in the leg and then show his followers he was not a god. Plus, since when do gods get sunburns.

William Russ is an excellent actor but he sure had a difficult time with this character. The writing for him was definite clunky.

hedwig
May 4th, 2011, 04:31 PM
I'm going to be a little nitpicky about when Frakes was killed and then burned. Whatever they doused his body with should not have burned his body to ashes. There should have been more of a skeleton left behind, and yet when Connor and SG1 found the remains, there were only ashes left, along with the dog tags.

Bodies do not burn down completely to ashes just from being doused with something flammable. Even in crematoriums, they have to use extremely high heat for a long period of time to get to the stage of ashes, and even then there are pieces of bone left.

Wishes the producers had consulted someone on this bit.

Otherwise, there were quite a few points about this episode I enjoyed. Though I would like to have had more of a background on Jonas than the fact that he and Sam had been engaged.

Lunaeclipse
May 4th, 2011, 05:44 PM
Otherwise, there were quite a few points about this episode I enjoyed. Though I would like to have had more of a background on Jonas than the fact that he and Sam had been engaged.

Yeah, me too. It would have been interesting to know what happened there.

mathpiglet
June 29th, 2011, 08:44 AM
This story was almost exactly like a Highlander episode called "Little Tin God". In that case an Immortal sets himself up as a god to an indigenous people of South America.

In the end of that one, the people capture him and brick him in alive.

<3samantha<3
July 15th, 2011, 05:24 PM
I agree, maybe if it was closer to the end of season one. But if they did it after that it might seam.... i don't know.... forced.

Starfox1313
July 27th, 2011, 03:05 PM
This episode was ok. I'm not going to lie being Called a god and being able to back it up with simple tech has to be very tempting. Combine that with the deadly radiation of that sun, who knows what the effects could be.

Also this seemed to be the first episode where all 4 members of the team were needed.

Not bad not good, Ill give it a 5-10

Starmover
August 4th, 2011, 06:40 PM
Watched this one this morning. is this the 1st episode where they start with the Wizard of Oz remarks?

This episode reminded me of some old Star Trek TOS episodes, where some captains go off the deep end. One of them called himself Lord Garth. Daniels comment made me LOL all over again, when he was talking about black ops soldiers with Sam. He was saying the crazier they are, the more extreme the situation they seem to be put in. All the while, Jack is walking behind them listening, and not saying a word. This is the 3rd time I've seen this episode, and that scene made me laugh all 3 times.

:indeed:

Nindif
August 5th, 2011, 01:55 AM
I'm going to be a little nitpicky about when Frakes was killed and then burned. Whatever they doused his body with should not have burned his body to ashes. There should have been more of a skeleton left behind, and yet when Connor and SG1 found the remains, there were only ashes left, along with the dog tags.


Yeah, me too. It would have been interesting to know what happened there.

There is a paradox of tone I have noticed during this rewatch i have not noticed before during my own rewatched (possibly because I'm trying to comment on each episode more critically than before?).

RDA made it quite clear he wanted to tone down his character and add more humour. When you compare SG1 currently to how it ends up in tone, the humour RDA inserted remains, but the violent tone is turned down significantly. CotG: Nudity, Broca: Rape, First Commandment: Execution (Frakes). The reason i think this works is the juxtaposition of Violence and Lighthearted humour make for great viewing!

The relationship between Carter and Hanson is really forgotten and never again relevent for the rest of the series which i find strange considering we do go into her love life a little later on.

I didn't like the use of the term 'Phenomenon' by Daniel when speaking of the way some cultures bow to worship SG teams upon first arriving. I dont know if 'Phenomenon' is the correct term?

OK episode. A little better than Emancipation, and little worse than Broca. Season 1 takes of from here though imo.

chaddergate
August 5th, 2011, 04:42 AM
The relationship between Carter and Hanson is really forgotten and never again relevent for the rest of the series which i find strange considering we do go into her love life a little later on.

Couldn't agree more. They could've at least mentioned it again.


OK episode. A little better than Emancipation, and little worse than Broca. Season 1 takes of from here though imo.

Agree again. :)

muziqaz
August 5th, 2011, 06:34 AM
It wasn't my favorite episode, but not bad.
One of the biggest reasons why I did not enjoy it that much is that I am a big hater of fanatical religion, especially when it is coming from a human being. It reminds me of some of the offshoots of our religions and what church used to be long time ago.
I also agree with people who wanted more info on Carters relationship with Hanson. It did look like that their former relationship were added forcefully to the episode.
I also agree that from next episode series took off, though I myself would be hooked from The Nox episode.

jlovette
August 5th, 2011, 07:04 AM
I guess this is an obligatory topic for a series about people from Earth who are going to find primitive cultures from time to time when they travel through the gate. I would have liked to have seen the delusions of god-hood happen to a character we had already met. Overall, a good episode, but not great.

jlovette
August 5th, 2011, 07:05 AM
...and Teal'c's attempt to smile was pretty good.:tealc:

Jae'a
August 5th, 2011, 08:08 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/2781.html)
I didn't have much to say this time, but meh...

BTW, we're obviously reminded of Sam's boyfriends and ex's always dying, so why do many people want her to be with Jack? You don't want Jack to die, do you?? :lol:

dtheories
August 5th, 2011, 08:42 AM
Daniels comment made me LOL all over again, when he was talking about black ops soldiers with Sam. He was saying the crazier they are, the more extreme the situation they seem to be put in. All the while, Jack is walking behind them listening, and not saying a word.

Or the line before that when Sam talks about how she always had a soft spot for the lunatic fringe, then they cut to Jack. LOL! This story opens and closes with such peril and explains how teams could be off-world for weeks at a time as part of a routine mission. There's quite a bit of back story provided again. I LOVED Connors' monologue around the campfire; that with the music was just...was this aired for Halloween or something?
Oz and the first reference back to Tastes Like Chicken.

Even with so much violence, including toward the natives, excellent humor and fun execution.

muziqaz
August 5th, 2011, 08:52 AM
BTW, we're obviously reminded of Sam's boyfriends and ex's always dying, so why do many people want her to be with Jack? You don't want Jack to die, do you?? :lol:

Yeah, but jack survived so many years alongside her, I think he is immune to that curse :D That is why we have humongous Sam/jack ship threads in this forum and that is why people here go crazy during their ship day :D

Jae'a
August 5th, 2011, 09:03 AM
Yeah, but jack survived so many years alongside her, I think he is immune to that curse :D That is why we have humongous Sam/jack ship threads in this forum and that is why people here go crazy during their ship day :D
I was never interested in that ship though - Canon or almost canon ships usually bore me.
Same with Babylon 5, I sometimes find myself sifting through all the Sheridan & Delenn or Marcus & Ivanova fics for something different. And Farscape with John & Aeryn. (Although in that case, I'm usually looking for John/D'Argo stuff... ) :cameron08: :D

dipsofjazz
August 5th, 2011, 02:55 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/2781.html)
I didn't have much to say this time, but meh...

BTW, we're obviously reminded of Sam's boyfriends and ex's always dying, so why do many people want her to be with Jack? You don't want Jack to die, do you?? :lol:
Sam only had two canon boyfriends in the whole series, Hanson and Pete. Narim etc were all attracted to Sam, but were never her boyfriend.

Krisz
August 5th, 2011, 03:12 PM
One thing I'm noticing with this re watch is how much darker the series was at the beginning. It's a measure of how the show became more off the wall with the humour and feeling that there was nothing left in the galaxy that held any surprises for the SG teams!!

This episode was a good example of that. I don't think we ever get to see a member of an SG team go off the deep end like Hanson did (without an alien influence) again in the series that I can remember.

We're introduced for the first time to the good old 'quarry' here!!!! I don't know of any other show that has so many episodes filmed in quarries!!! Well, maybe the old Dr Who episodes of the 60's and 70's, that became a running joke about the 'BBC quarry'!!! The area around Vancouver had a lot of them dotted around where they got all the stone and stuff to build roads etc at the time. Most of them are now new housing estates.

I may just start a 'quarry scene' count! :P

Jae'a
August 5th, 2011, 03:17 PM
Sam only had two canon boyfriends in the whole series, Hanson and Pete. Narim etc were all attracted to Sam, but were never her boyfriend.
Oh right... there is quite a bit that I have forgotten, which was one of my reasons for joining the rewatch. ;)
For example, I had completely forgotten the episode before this, The Broca Divide! :eek:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 5th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Another average episode, as well as Robert Cooper's first SG-1 episode. A little bit of foreshadowing for Wormhole X-Treme ("Where does it say Colonel on my uniform?").

I really hate the pace in the early SG-1 episodes, really slow.

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 6th, 2011, 01:47 AM
Not the best ep. Some great comedy though.

Daniel - This tastes like chicken. Sam - So what's wrong with it? Daniel - It's Macaroni and cheese. lol

And Teal'cs smile in this ep always cracks me up.

Girlbot
August 6th, 2011, 04:33 AM
Should have known from this that Carter and men didn't mix well.:D

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 6th, 2011, 11:01 AM
This is an episode with a fairly poor plot and a really weak bad guy, saved by some good writing and some genuinely funny lines, much stronger and more frequent than all the previous episodes put together. A number of stand out lines which really made me laugh: "It's macaroni and cheese", "Does it say colonel anywhere on my uniform?" "Good drawing", "Ah, Captain, I see everything is working out just as we'd planned!"

Again, budget issues are very apparant here. We hear that there are "thousands" of native people, but only ever see a few dozen. When we are told "everyone has been called to the circle of the the Gods" we cut to the Stargate and see... about 20 people. Wow, that's everyone, huh?

Massive plot flaw in this episode which literally screams out at me: when Sam has Jonas at gunpoint, surely I can't be the only one yelling at the screen "shoot him in the leg! Shoot him in the shoulder! Just incapacitate him! What the hell is wrong with you?!"

The music is used appropriately in this episode at least, and it actually matches the action happening on screen. The cheesy cinematography still exists (slow move in on bad guy as he says his cheesy dialogue for emphasis) and there's some awful mismatched cuts which show rainy weather and then bright and sunny.

But it's an improvement over what's come before. Jack is brilliant, and Michael Shanks seems a lot more relaxed into his role. The whole plot point of Carter being engaged to Jonas took me completely by surprise - it's never mentioned again and doesn't seem appropriate to what her character would become later.

Rating: 5 out of 10.

muziqaz
August 6th, 2011, 11:38 AM
<...>

Massive plot flaw in this episode which literally screams out at me: when Sam has Jonas at gunpoint, surely I can't be the only one yelling at the screen "shoot him in the leg! Shoot him in the shoulder! Just incapacitate him! What the hell is wrong with you?!"

<...>

I was screaming at my telly the same thing too :D

Jae'a
August 7th, 2011, 12:27 PM
^ And me!
Don't worry Guitarist, it's not just you. :P

Matt G
August 7th, 2011, 02:21 PM
It was another Sunday afternoon and another ep of SG1...and this time round an ep I'm not sure I'd watched since...

1. First impression of the basic plot was that it was pretty solid...as I said in a comment back in '04, psychologists can be fooled.

2. Even back in '99 I didn't get why Sam didn't just shoot Jonas, suppose Hanson must have just had that kind of presence.

3. The native here was particularly fun and this is the first time Teal'c's tech knowledge came in handy.

4. Why did the other SG guy stick with him? Good question - presume he also fell victim to Jonas's spell.

5. Interesting bit of wisdom from Jack at the end.

mathpiglet
August 7th, 2011, 02:32 PM
I wonder if Sam didn't shoot Jonas because she had never shot a person before. One thinks one could do that, but I accept it is believable that it's very difficult. Even if she has shot strangers before, shooting a former lover could be difficult. I can believe this.

Kunoichi
August 7th, 2011, 02:52 PM
I wonder if Sam didn't shoot Jonas because she had never shot a person before. One thinks one could do that, but I accept it is believable that it's very difficult. Even if she has shot strangers before, shooting a former lover could be difficult. I can believe this.

This how I interpreted Sam's actions in this episode. As much as I wanted her to shoot Jonas, I can see why she didn't. Even if she had shot people in battle before this incident, shooting in cold blood someone you almost married is a completely different concept than shooting at complete strangers in a firefight when your life is in imminent danger.

Overall I enjoyed this episode and I felt it set up some nice character background for Sam.

fems
August 7th, 2011, 03:00 PM
Sam's about 29 years old here, went to the Academy, has a (master and) PhD, flew in the Gulf War, did simulated bombings, studied nano-technology for a year and worked on genetics and was involved with the gate technology for at least two years... all that combined doesn't leave much room for real combat experience.

Pulling that trigger, whether it's to wound/incapacitate or kill him when he's standing there, non-threatening and unarmed and practically taunting her to do it... It can't have been an easy choice. She knows the man, presumably loved him once upon a time and probably lived with him as well some time during their relationship/engagement. And let's not forget that she knows her team is out there and that they'll come to her 'rescue' soon.

IMO, if she'd shot him she wouldn't have been able to become the character we all respect and care about.

mathpiglet
August 7th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Right. That's it.

MylittleEli
August 7th, 2011, 08:25 PM
I liked this episode, not loved by definitely liked. I really liked how you start to get a sense of the respect she has for Jack as her commander, how Jack is trusting her as a part of his team, and the friendship starting between Teal'c and Daniel. I think there were some really weak parts for sure but overall a good episode thats fun to watch and really starts to set them all up as a team.

KayLyne
August 7th, 2011, 09:09 PM
I guess I like this episode, and I don't really like it.

The part that really bugs me is they're trying to get us to believe the SGC would employ someone with an overwhelming "God complex", and who hasn't been infected by a Goa'uld or under some alien influence - not even considering the fact that it's someone that Sam had previously been engaged to.

Sam's comment that she's "always had a soft spot for the lunatic fringe" is totally opposite of what we see anywhere else in this series - Martouf, Narim, Orlin (yes, all of whom are aliens) and Pete too - all seemed to be on the "soft & caring" side rather than "lunatics". I'm guessing that was a conscious decision by the writers that the whole "bad boy" thing didn't really play well for Sam's character from here on out.

Bright spots for this episode:

- I did like a small part of a scene with Sam & Jonas, where they're looking out over the workers and Jonas says "Besides, I'm supposed to be crazy, right?" and Sam replies, "I never said you were crazy". It was just a brief moment, but I could almost see those two being together in a reality where Jonas was "sane".

- another part I liked is Sam taking the initiative to go save that man from being beaten (which is where Amanda says her gun came around & whacked her hard on the hip after she slugged the guy) and then taken to Jonas. When Jack came back to meet up with Teal'c & Daniel, he admitted that Sam doing what she did was probably the best way for them to get in. It was nice for him to show approval for her spur-of-the-moment actions.

- my favorite part of this episode is at the end with Sam & Jack talking about the Commandments, and how "killing a man is no badge of honor". It's great to see these two soldiers talking about morals, ethics and religion. yes, it may have come across as a bit preachy to end the episode, but one thing I really liked about this series throughout its run is it usually included the morals/ethics dilemmas of 'crossing the line' or 'where is the line?'

juggernaut975
August 7th, 2011, 09:13 PM
The bigger mystery to me, bigger than 'why didn't Sam just wound Jonas?' was why didn't Connor himself escape through the Stargate rather than just throwing the message?

fems
August 8th, 2011, 03:57 AM
Sam's comment that she's "always had a soft spot for the lunatic fringe" is totally opposite of what we see anywhere else in this series - Martouf, Narim, Orlin (yes, all of whom are aliens) and Pete too - all seemed to be on the "soft & caring" side rather than "lunatics".

Okay, I have to disagree with you here. Martouf may not have been part of the "lunatic fringe" but he was totally ready to continue his relationship with Rosha/Jolinar with Sam when he learned about her being host to Jolinar. That's not really normal to me; he didn't even know her! Narim was probably trying to be nice with his emotion recorder, but that is also not something normal people do. Not to mention him using Sam's voice in his house! That's creepy! Who knows what else those technologically advanced Tollan can do... *shudders*

Don't even get me started on Orlin the creepy stalker, spying on Sam during her daily routine and 'floating' through her house (and when she was getting ready for bed). Then that mind-sharing thing and basically living at her house; he descended for her, someone he doesn't even really know. Again, not very normal. Oh and let's not forget him coming back in The Fourth Horseman hoping they could rekindle their 'relationship' despite him being a child! Pete... well, he's not very normal either. He had an FBI pal do a background check on her after they slept together for the first time and later on stalked her to the Osiris stakeout, nearly getting them all killed! As a cop, he should have known what 'classified' meant and left it that, but no, he went all out to satisfy his curiosity.




The bigger mystery to me, bigger than 'why didn't Sam just wound Jonas?' was why didn't Connor himself escape through the Stargate rather than just throwing the message?

He was probably holding out hope for Frakes to join him? Or maybe he knew he wouldn't likely be allowed to go back to the planet with SG-1 if he stepped foot on the ramp and explained everything (and got sent to the infirmary).

juggernaut975
August 8th, 2011, 06:06 AM
He was probably holding out hope for Frakes to join him? Or maybe he knew he wouldn't likely be allowed to go back to the planet with SG-1 if he stepped foot on the ramp and explained everything (and got sent to the infirmary).

He ditched Frakes though...well, that's harsh he didn't ditch him but Frakes was down and, when Connor paused and was turning as if to go back for him, Frakes told him to go on without him.

I think the second one is very likely though, especially considering that he was willing to directly question Colonel O'Neill's orders when SG1 arrives.

In fact, EVERYONE was in the mood to question Jack it seems, lol.

It also occurred to me that I am genuinely surprised that this didn't happen more often. Everyone in SGC is a 'trained professional' but you have to figure that out of THAT many people going off world and encountering primitive civilizations there would be some of them who would try a stunt like this.

I love the fact that it was pointed out that, for all of our nobility, we're still capable of great evil. The one thing that I kept thinking over and over again when I saw the natives building that temple was 'We've turned into the Goa'uld ourselves....'

poundpuppy29
August 8th, 2011, 06:11 AM
I never really liked this ep but it was interesting

Matt G
August 8th, 2011, 07:28 AM
Okay, I have to disagree with you here. Martouf may not have been part of the "lunatic fringe" but he was totally ready to continue his relationship with Rosha/Jolinar with Sam when he learned about her being host to Jolinar. That's not really normal to me; he didn't even know her! Narim was probably trying to be nice with his emotion recorder, but that is also not something normal people do.

:daniel: Normal Tau'ri, no but neither of these guys are Tau'ri. Their actions might be commonplace in their culture and they may not know any better(though Narim having Sam's voice in his house does cross a line)

SG3Marine
August 8th, 2011, 08:32 AM
Pete... well, he's not very normal either. He had an FBI pal do a background check on her after they slept together for the first time and later on stalked her to the Osiris stakeout, nearly getting them all killed! As a cop, he should have known what 'classified' meant and left it that, but no, he went all out to satisfy his curiosity.

That was the one thing that always bugged me about him. Those actions were stalker-ish. Especially since he was a cop.

muziqaz
August 8th, 2011, 08:51 AM
:daniel: Normal Tau'ri, no but neither of these guys are Tau'ri. Their actions might be commonplace in their culture and they may not know any better(though Narim having Sam's voice in his house does cross a line)

Oh, come on, the guy(Narim) thought she was an angel while he was dying :D

Traveler Enroute1
August 8th, 2011, 09:10 AM
SG1 Rewatch: 101, 102, 103, 104, 105

The First Commandment

Before I watched this ep again, I tried to recall what my initial impressions were.


Didn't like that Sam disobeyed Jack's orders on misguided intentions; but loved Teal'c and Daniel couldn't stop her!
WTF- Sam didn't shoot Hanson!
Jack was aware of the connection between Sam and Hanson, made sure she could deal


Over all impression after the Rewatch:


Frightening opener. More for the killing of Frakes by a fellow soldier than the view of the primitives leaping and dodging in the brush.


Goa'uld terraformed planets; for human or symbiote benefit? By terraformed, did this mean with plow and animals (and slaves), or technologically?


Hanson seemed older than Sam but had same rank even though he had a special ops background like Jack.


Why does Sam take so much on herself regarding Hanson? Jack was right to voice concern but sending her back to SGC wouldn't reflect well on her.


William Russ does lunatic so well, did a great job here, too.


Find that Sam and Hanson had encountered each other at the SGC without incident.


Always nice to get a peek at characters' personal lives before SGC. Too bad this wasn't a nice peek.


I HATE that Sam didn't pull the trigger; if he knew her so well he probably left it unloaded anyway. Then again, he was unarmed and that wouldn't have been good form.


Memorable quote: Hanson: "All along I was looking for God. And now, here I am." :sokaranime06:


The shield didn't seem to cover the planet, but a pretty nice sized territory.


I liked how Sam looked in the helmet but she seemed a bit hampered esp when running.


Teal'c comes through with knowledge of Goa'uld technology, although in the briefing with the Pentagon guy he said knowledge of Goa'uld magics was forbidden.


Jack was trying to help Sam over her moment of doubt, but curious why he gave her Hanson's bible; did she really need a memento of him or the incident?


A little more team bonding; Teal'c and Daniel worked well on their own. Sam talks to Daniel about her relationship with Jack in earshot.

I thought this episode had an understated message about interplanetary imperialism. Earth was not going out to the stars to conquer/subjugate people. Hanson's actions were especially offensive to the SGC because they were engaged in fighting an enemy who wanted to enslave them just as Hanson was doing (and as Sam told him). And the Tau'ri more than most know that false gods come to a bad end.

Rated 3/5.

Traveler Enroute1
August 8th, 2011, 09:27 AM
Sam's about 29 years old here, went to the Academy, has a (master and) PhD, flew in the Gulf War, did simulated bombings, studied nano-technology for a year and worked on genetics and was involved with the gate technology for at least two years... all that combined doesn't leave much room for real combat experience.

Pulling that trigger, whether it's to wound/incapacitate or kill him when he's standing there, non-threatening and unarmed and practically taunting her to do it... It can't have been an easy choice. She knows the man, presumably loved him once upon a time and probably lived with him as well some time during their relationship/engagement. And let's not forget that she knows her team is out there and that they'll come to her 'rescue' soon.

IMO, if she'd shot him she wouldn't have been able to become the character we all respect and care about.

Interesting. I also thought that Sam's famed 'focus' wouldn't have lent itself to being in a real relationship along with her hot career track. Hanson's controlling nature must have made her finally see that.

juggernaut975
August 8th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Love how, initially, they address the fact there are a LOT of planets in the galaxy that bear a striking resemblance to the Pacific Northwest, lol...

JACKSON: For a planet with a UV radiation as high as this one is supposed to have, the plant life seems to be doing very well.

CARTER: Apparently Abydos was the exception, not the rule, as far as tree's are concerned.

JACKSON: Well that makes since, for a plant to support human life there must be some sort of Carbon-based vegetation, right?

TEAL'C: It is no accident. Many Stargate worlds were tare-formed by the Goa'ulds, centuries ago.



Really great writing, a nice, quick, logical way to explain the fact that a lot of the planets they visit are so similar.

Brother Freyr
August 8th, 2011, 08:23 PM
I believe this is our first encounter with Ancient tech (besides the gates themselves). Hanson thinks the UV shield was left behind by the goa'uld, but Carter remarks that the device's "main control board seems to follow the same basic circuitry patterns as the gate technology." Also, the device clearly uses a lot of power, sustained constantly for long periods of time, possibly thousands of years. Seems more likely to use a ZPM than naquada (sp?) power source. Also, protecting people is "Ancienty" behavior, not goa'uld behavior. Anyway, that's why I think we have Ancients' technology in this episode.

ekolint48
August 9th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Teal'c comes through with knowledge of Goa'uld technology, although in the briefing with the Pentagon guy he said knowledge of Goa'uld magics was forbidden.




Knowing how to use something and understanding how it works are not one in the same. I know how to drive my car, but if it breaks down I have no clue how to fix it and what parts what under the hood. Teal'c is an extremely skilled pilot of death gliders and other Goau'ld aircraft, but in episodes where we see same having to fix their ships for the team to use, Teal'c isn't a part of the repair team. That is what I took "magics" to be referring to, the mechanical workings of the technology and scientific principles behind it.

P.S. Yay for my first GW post! Been a lurker on the Daniel THUNK for a long time.

muziqaz
August 10th, 2011, 12:34 AM
Knowing how to use something and understanding how it works are not one in the same. I know how to drive my car, but if it breaks down I have no clue how to fix it and what parts what under the hood. Teal'c is an extremely skilled pilot of death gliders and other Goau'ld aircraft, but in episodes where we see same having to fix their ships for the team to use, Teal'c isn't a part of the repair team. That is what I took "magics" to be referring to, the mechanical workings of the technology and scientific principles behind it.

P.S. Yay for my first GW post! Been a lurker on the Daniel THUNK for a long time.

Welcome to the forums ;)

Brother Freyr
August 10th, 2011, 12:37 AM
Teal'c only thought it was goa'uld technology. Actually ancient tech. (See earlier post).

Noxbait
August 10th, 2011, 07:38 PM
To me, this was a dark episode that showed the show could do serious. (not that they hadn't already, but this was definitely dark). As noted by someone above, the idea that Hanson would have killed a guy on his unit was truly despicable and worse than if the natives had done that. I love Conner's campfire talk. Creepy and the expressions on everybody's faces were great. I had forgotten how many episodes he was in. I like him. I also always forget how they were camped out on the planet with tents and all! That wasn't seen very often.

I gotta say, I feel sorry for Jack having absolutely nobody follow his orders! Usually it's only Daniel he has trouble with! Love the "Colonel on my uniform" line. Poor Jack!

I thought it was interesting that Jack knew about Sam's past with Hansen. Remembering back to watching this before, I totally didn't remember that he knew. Good way of showing that these people interact and talk outside of what we see in the episodes.

Great part where Jack comes back, sees Sam down there and instantly asks "Daniel." then..."never mind." hahaha! His Captain has a mind of her own. Hansen was pretty good at being crazy. creepy dude. On the subject of Sam's supposed attraction to the "lunatic fringe" (including the aforementioned Narim, Martouf, Orlin, Pete)...are any of those actually her fault? She didn't exactly go after any of those guys (Pete was a set up from her brother) but still...it wasn't like she went out and sought these guys out. They were all pursuing her.

Ok, as far as the Sam shooting Hansen part....Yes, he'd killed someone, but he wasn't really threatening her so to speak at the time. I don't know, hard call. It would have probably weighed heavily on her heart and mind if she had just shot him at that point.

Ah, getting Teal'c to smile! Hilarious! I guess he took Jack's advice to practice, cuz he looked a lot more friendly when he helped Cassandra later on!

I liked the native guy's comment on Teal'c's artwork and Teal'c's reply! I also thought it was hilarious when Teal'c was gonna fire his weapon at the floor over the 2nd device and Daniel wasted absolutely no time in rushing the native out of the way!

Good episode overall. Great, great moment between Jack and Sam at the end.

Starscape91
August 10th, 2011, 08:34 PM
I thought this was a darker episode knowing that one of their own went on the deep end. I find the relationship between Sam/Hansen interesting compared with the relationship to Jack. Knowing that he was in the black ops and he is kind of crazy, but not in the I'm a God and you must obey me kind of thing. What confused me was the guy who was on Hansen's team, but followed what turned him into a raving lunatic as well?

Brother Freyr
August 11th, 2011, 01:08 AM
I gotta say, I feel sorry for Jack having absolutely nobody follow his orders! It was "Everybody Defy Jack" Day. When the 3rd person flat-out refused his orders, I was laughing out loud.

KayLyne
August 11th, 2011, 11:34 AM
It was "Everybody Defy Jack" Day. When the 3rd person flat-out refused his orders, I was laughing out loud.

I think that was a sign of Jack not knowing the people he was ordering around very well.

With Sam, he somehow didn't realize that she could keep her emotions & feelings about someone she had a previous relationship in check. He should have known she'd be an asset in the mission because of her previous relationship with Jonas. If you remember later in "The Tok'Ra pt 2" when he first tells Sam that she needs to come with them and leave her father/Selmak there while the Goa'uld attack, she tells him respectfully "no". By that time, he also should have known not to even think she would leave. It's not long after that episode that he finally gets on the same wavelength with her by indirect (eye) communication and knows where to draw the line with his orders.

As for Connor, did Jack really think he would just turn & walk back through the gate and do nothing after all that had just happened? What do you think Jack would have done in that situation? Would he have followed that same order & gone back through the gate while another team went on a mission to get to the bottom of the situation? I think not.

hlndncr
August 12th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Ah, the beginning of Sam's badly written boyfriends!

One thing I have to say is that it doesn't bother me at all that Sam didn't shoot Jonas. As he stated, if she did the natives who worshipped him would have taken her down (even if she only winged him or got him in the leg). So she wouldn't have escaped and it wouldn't have ended it, and she might have even been killed.

The gun was only useful a threat to get him to back down and come with her back to the SGC if he was intimidated by it. He clearly wasn't, because he rightly calculated that she didn't have the power to enforce her will with one handgun against thousands of fanatic natives who would do anything to protect him. He was a megalomaniac not actually insane and certainly not stupid.

What bugged me is AT's acting. I think you can see that she is still new to this role (and kind of green overall) because her reaction is all wrong IMO. She acts scared and even shakes a little as she holds the gun. She should be concerned and calculating and then resigned as she realizes her actions in grabbing the gun won't achieve the desired result so she's just going to have to give in and bide her time until a better opportunity comes a long. She's smart enough to figure that out, and tough enough in the end to help get herself and the others free when the chance comes.



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Kunoichi
August 13th, 2011, 07:40 AM
Ah, the beginning of Sam's badly written boyfriends!

What bugged me is AT's acting. I think you can see that she is still new to this role (and kind of green overall) because her reaction is all wrong IMO. She acts scared and even shakes a little as she holds the gun. She should be concerned and calculating and then resigned as she realizes her actions in grabbing the gun won't achieve the desired result so she's just going to have to give in and bide her time until a better opportunity comes a long. She's smart enough to figure that out, and tough enough in the end to help get herself and the others free when the chance comes.

I didn't really see Jonas as badly written. As part of developing a character history for Sam I actually quite liked the way he was portrayed. I could see him having been a nice bloke (even if he was a bit controlling) initially and then, due to black ops work, having a personality change later in the relationship.

I always thought that the way Sam reacted to trying to shoot Jonas was to do with her having had a personal relationship with him and a certain lack of field experience. For once her emotions influenced the way she reacted over her logical, scientific mind. I expect if the episode had occurred much later in the show's run she would have reacted more in the way you describe.

hlndncr
August 13th, 2011, 07:45 AM
I didn't really see Jonas as badly written. As part of developing a character history for Sam I actually quite liked the way he was portrayed. I could see him having been a nice bloke (even if he was a bit controlling) initially and then, due to black ops work, having a personality change later in the relationship.

I always thought that the way Sam reacted to trying to shoot Jonas was to do with her having had a personal relationship with him and a certain lack of field experience. For once her emotions influenced the way she reacted over her logical, scientific mind. I expect if the episode had occurred much later in the show's run she would have reacted more in the way you describe.

True, Sam was still pretty green then.

And when I said badly written I guess what I really meant was ill-conceived (not as bad as other love interests they threw at her *cough* :eek: (aka Pete) *cough*, but still kind of out of left field).



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jelgate
August 14th, 2011, 02:04 PM
Oh this is just bad episode all around. I'm all about seeing a man crack under the pressure of the stressful work of the SGC. But I struggle to believe a man would go so far to believe he is a god. And the rest is generally good because the centeral story is unbelieveble its hard to find credit in the rest of the story and the character's actions. Although I will admit the fun in finding and activating a Goa'uld energy shield.

Lunaeclipse
August 17th, 2011, 05:11 PM
Oh this is just bad episode all around. I'm all about seeing a man crack under the pressure of the stressful work of the SGC. But I struggle to believe a man would go so far to believe he is a god. And the rest is generally good because the centeral story is unbelieveble its hard to find credit in the rest of the story and the character's actions. Although I will admit the fun in finding and activating a Goa'uld energy shield.

Maybe he had heat stroke or something and it confused him..Didn't Sam say at the start that he was a bit controlling? (Or I am remembering that part wrong?) And at the end of the ep, it sounded, to me, like he knew he wasn't, but liked the idea of being a god.

jelgate
August 20th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Maybe he had heat stroke or something and it confused him..Didn't Sam say at the start that he was a bit controlling? (Or I am remembering that part wrong?) And at the end of the ep, it sounded, to me, like he knew he wasn't, but liked the idea of being a god.Even if you wanted to argue that heat stroke drove him mad (which is a stretch) time in the cave would have brought his sanity back

Lunaeclipse
August 23rd, 2011, 11:06 PM
Even if you wanted to argue that heat stroke drove him mad (which is a stretch) time in the cave would have brought his sanity back

I know the heat stroke andgle was a stretch. They should've all been crazy were that the case. I think he just liked the idea of having a whole civilization worship him... Sam all but called him crazy near the start, so he obviously had issues.

juggernaut975
August 24th, 2011, 12:44 PM
I know the heat stroke andgle was a stretch. They should've all been crazy were that the case. I think he just liked the idea of having a whole civilization worship him... Sam all but called him crazy near the start, so he obviously had issues.

The difference with Jonas though is that he was out for, iirc, days looking for that wayward child. It was his triumphant return with the child that really solidified his influence over the locals. That's not to say that being out in the sun for that period of time is the sole reason for his descent but he was most certainly going to be affected a lot more by it than his subordinates.

jelgate
August 24th, 2011, 02:19 PM
I know the heat stroke andgle was a stretch. They should've all been crazy were that the case. I think he just liked the idea of having a whole civilization worship him... Sam all but called him crazy near the start, so he obviously had issues.And that brings me had to accpeat. Its hard to see someone like that to be in the SGC in the early days

SF_and_Coffee
August 24th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Well, they brought in people from all over, and probably with some rapidity. Hell, anyone can have issues, and in the military, sometimes those can be honed to a pretty sharp edge, especially when you're talking about Special Ops/Special Forces guys. If you were a certain type of personality to begin with and then saw and dealt with some of the stuff you might have seen and dealt with in that kind of career, it could push you closer to the edge. Jonas may have been someone to whom this happened.

Sealurk
August 24th, 2011, 03:04 PM
I always viewed it as having little or nothing to do with the sun - at worst, the sun was just the trigger, the straw that broke the camel's back.

Compare Jack's command style and personality to the more typical military attitude, and also how Hammond goes from being the somewhat stereotypical (for a reason) no nonsense officer to the more avuncular, approachable type.

I like to think that, in universe, the SGC quickly realised that the normal military way of doing things, i.e. the strict, disciplined, regimental approach is not only wrong, it's dangerous. Even though SG teams are special forces, the things they are encountering and being exposed to fall so far outside human experiences that it likely takes a special kind of person to deal with it and take it in their stride.

Jack adapts. All things considered he's fairly laid back for a military guy, he has a good sense of humour and doesn't take anything too seriously or (apparently) think too deeply, whereas Jonas was described as something of a control freak. He may have been selected because he was one of the USAF's top SF operators and probably very good at that, but he most likely was very poorly suited to offworld ops for the same reason. I think he just snapped and couldn't take it.

Naomi
September 1st, 2011, 07:15 AM
If you were a certain type of personality to begin with and then saw and dealt with some of the stuff you might have seen and dealt with in that kind of career, it could push you closer to the edge. Jonas may have been someone to whom this happened.This is how I viewed Jonas. I like that there isn't one specific incident to explain his descent into madness. Sam breaking off her relationship with him hints that there were previous issues with his personality. Did Jonas go out to rescue the child because he believed he was a god? Or, did the UV exposure, and the successful rescue, cause Jonas to return believing he must be a god?

Hi Sealurk!

CMWriter
September 21st, 2011, 01:58 PM
Full review here (http://blogging-sg1.blogspot.com/2011/09/first-commandment-1-x-06.html)...

I wasn't quite sure whether to hate this episode or kind of actually like it. I think it's an interesting and largely inevitable "reality" considering that almost everywhere they go, the SG teams are (at least initially) revered when they come through the 'Gate. The thing is, they always deter any of these assumptions immediately.

This episode was kind of that "well, what if someone went off his/her rocker and believed they were a god?" theory-plot sci-fi writers really love. Heck, I love it. And there were good moments, such as Teal'c's line:
"Power alone does not make a god."
Also, some interesting character development in that Carter had been engaged.

Interesting episode, but not exactly a favourite thus far.

moondragon
October 13th, 2011, 03:50 PM
This was not one of my favorite episodes. I would have preferred more background on Jonas and Carters relationship, maybe even a mention of him working on base in a different episode. I had no problem believing that Jonas had gone over the deep end, but why didn't the rest of the team stop him as soon as it manifested? Why let him get to a point where he was building a temple and killing the nonbelievers? At least there were some memorable quotes (tastes like chicken) and Teal'c trying to smile.

Dumdidu
October 30th, 2011, 11:27 AM
I would have preferred more background on Jonas and Carters relationship, maybe even a mention of him working on base in a different episode.

Yes, this would be very fine. In fact, i dont understand a lot, because my english isnt so well and so perhaps they said a lot about there relationship but i dont understand ^^.

Where is the second bad guy from the "bad" sg team? I didnt see his death. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 30th, 2011, 04:23 PM
Where is the second bad guy from the "bad" sg team? I didnt see his death. :)
They didn't show us his fate on screen.

Seaboe

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 08:53 AM
Good episode.
I think it's weird that this doesn't happend more often.

gatechick
February 26th, 2012, 05:34 PM
Yes, this would be very fine. In fact, i dont understand a lot, because my english isnt so well and so perhaps they said a lot about there relationship but i dont understand ^^.

Where is the second bad guy from the "bad" sg team? I didnt see his death. :)

The villager wearing the SG uniform shot him with a staff weapon.

meloange
April 13th, 2012, 07:08 PM
It was a radiation shield. How would that help with oxygen?

good question and also why orange? lol

Lunaeclipse
April 14th, 2012, 02:37 PM
...My main problem with the shield is that the villagers and stuff were said to have been having to live in caves and stuff to survive and all that, but Sg1 seemed to do just fine under the trees and stuff... so unless it's a prolonged exposure thing...

...my guess to why it was orange is because Goa'uld seem to like orange...or it has something to do with the reason some of those sunglasses that claim to protect your eyes from uv rays are orange... I don't know...

John_Shepard
April 16th, 2012, 03:04 AM
I guess that first command SG-1 was most awesome,because they was is most strong and most bold team,they even destroy Tok'Ra when they was come on Earth.
They are even destroy Goa'uld and other's deadly enemies.They are best SG groups.

SF_and_Coffee
April 16th, 2012, 10:28 AM
I guess that first command SG-1 was most awesome,because they was is most strong and most bold team, they even destroy Tok'Ra when they was come on Earth.
They are even destroy Goa'uld and other's deadly enemies.They are best SG groups.
Excuse me, what? :confused:

meloange
April 18th, 2012, 05:37 PM
yeah but when people lives in caves and come out night only, one thing I don't understand the slaves works during daytime?


...My main problem with the shield is that the villagers and stuff were said to have been having to live in caves and stuff to survive and all that, but Sg1 seemed to do just fine under the trees and stuff... so unless it's a prolonged exposure thing...

...my guess to why it was orange is because Goa'uld seem to like orange...or it has something to do with the reason some of those sunglasses that claim to protect your eyes from uv rays are orange... I don't know...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 19th, 2012, 06:28 AM
They worked during the daytime because Jonas made them. It wasn't normal behavior.

Seaboe

selene0789
April 26th, 2012, 04:54 PM
I kind of liked this episode. It's our first glimpse into Carter's history (personal or otherwise) and we get to see her tough it out without it being too over the top-- as it might have been in Emancipation.

Yes, I would have enjoyed some more backstory on Sam and Jonas, but at the same time I appreciate that they didn't make the potential for an abusive relationship to become a major part of the show or its characters.

To me, this episode is very much the epitome of '90s television-- slight camp (in the form of inexplicable color choices and trope use) with the overall enjoyability of quality television. It was heartfelt, and it helped set the tone for the rest of the series. :)

spartacus
April 27th, 2012, 12:00 AM
I think that Jona'ss intention to build an empire was not a bad idea afterall, however, if he was not stopped and the empire was built and he would be seen as god, he would turn as a bad guy and start doing some krazy ****... :D

SF_and_Coffee
April 27th, 2012, 10:00 AM
What he was doing was a bad idea to begin with, and he was crazy to begin with, too.

Major_Clanger
September 16th, 2012, 07:56 AM
there was a bit of an over-obvious attempt to shoe-horn in a background for Carter and the observation that people involved in Black Ops go a bit ga-ga.

I don't like how Sam didn't shoot Jonas but then, in her place i'm not sure I'd have shot him either.

ngewakl
December 13th, 2012, 12:12 PM
I thought it was an ok episode but I have one comment. There is no reason for the UV levels on this planet to be that bad. Since the plant life is apparently very good and everyone is breathing, we can safely assume that there is oxygen on this planet. UV rays react with Oxygen to create O3, or ozone. There should be an abundance of ozone on this planet. With no CFC's and other pollutants on this planet, it should have a healthy and functioning ozone layer. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this so I thought I would. Anyway, it was an ok episode, with some great moments like Teal'c trying to smile and stuff but I just did not like the stupid science in this episode.

Vagabond Serpent
January 13th, 2013, 08:06 AM
Maybe the just threw in ozone as an easier explanation. To me, radiation shield instead of oxygen generator makes perfect sense if the planet has weak magnetic field. Then indeed, solar radiation becomes deadly, while UV rays still react with oxygene and create ozone.

Girlbot
January 13th, 2013, 08:09 AM
Interesting episode. This Jonas, Carter got engaged to :eek: , and then she goes and passes up Martouf, Narim, and Pete?

Vagabond Serpent
January 14th, 2013, 12:52 AM
Maybe they just lacked that certain something she needed? :lol:

pookey
January 14th, 2013, 06:31 AM
Brains :weiranime42: Carters looney ex bored me. There were a few funny moments, Jack and the pebble quip and the rescuing the SG9 member, but to be honest it was not my favourite by far.

GusF
March 31st, 2013, 05:00 AM
This has always been one of my least favourite episodes. It's fairly awful really, though that is at least an improvement over the horrendously awful "Emancipation". There are quite a few plot holes. For one thing, one would think that the SGC, already being aware even at this very early stage that the locals tend to worship people who come through the Stargate as gods, would conduct psych tests on potential SG-team members to ensure that they don't have megalomaniac tendencies or a Messianic complex. In Hanson's case, they either skipped it or Dr. MacKenzie got a bit bored and decided to rush through it.

Another thing that has always bothered me is why Lt. Baker, Hanson's crony, goes along with him. At least Hanson was nuts. What's his excuse? Is he just an amoral bastard who has always wanted to be a slave driver or is he a "brain dead sycophant" as Jack calls him? They never even attempt to explain it. Plus in the final scene, Daniel tells Jamala that the outside world is bigger than he can possibly imagine, yet the shield only extends over the valley which only looks like three to five square miles at the most to me. Perhaps Daniel was just being incredibly condescending towards the locals!

This episode is notable though for being the first of many episodes in which SG-1 convinces the locals that someone is not a god and I think the only time that the wannabe god is a human. It's also the first example of the "Black Widow Carter" curse. Speaking of Sam, I hate the scene where she can't shoot Hanson. Jack's right when he says that shooting a man is no badge of honour but surely it was the lesser of two evils in this instance when compared to the potential extinction of an entire people.

gatechick
March 31st, 2013, 07:16 AM
Was it explained how long Jonas and his team were on this planet? I would think some time would have had to pass for him to go a little nutso to fully get into the god thing and have the people start the building. How would Jonas have been able to explain why he was on the planet for so long if Hammond radioed in? Wouldn't they have sent a team out by now? I really need to go back and watch this ep again but I swear I don't remember this being explained.

GusF
March 31st, 2013, 07:36 AM
Was it explained how long Jonas and his team were on this planet?

Lt. Connor mentions that they were on the planet for about five weeks. There's no mention of them having any contact with the SGC in the meantime, which is another plot hole.

gatechick
March 31st, 2013, 07:55 AM
Lt. Connor mentions that they were on the planet for about five weeks. There's no mention of them having any contact with the SGC in the meantime, which is another plot hole.

Okay I missed that, hence another reason to go back and watch that ep again. Yes, major plot hole there. I cannot imagine Hammond allowing a team to be out of contact that long. I could forgive that considering this is the first season. :)

fems
March 31st, 2013, 08:39 AM
Okay I missed that, hence another reason to go back and watch that ep again. Yes, major plot hole there. I cannot imagine Hammond allowing a team to be out of contact that long. I could forgive that considering this is the first season. :)

It's still possible Hanson contacted the SGC (although I wouldn't be surprised if they were rather lax about scheduled check-ins considering the Program is young and the planet is boring) and simply pretended everything was fine and going as expected, while he was already playing God.

Girlbot
March 31st, 2013, 08:43 AM
We should have known with this episode that Carter wasn't going to have any luck with boyfriends. What was she thinking with this one

GusF
March 31st, 2013, 09:02 AM
We should have known with this episode that Carter wasn't going to have any luck with boyfriends. What was she thinking with this one

I don't know but it's probably for the best that he was never mentioned again!

Falcon Horus
May 16th, 2013, 04:16 PM
Definitely not a favorite episode. Jonas is one freakin' headcase, and Carter not able to shoot him, not even in the leg (if she couldn't bring herself to kill him) was somewhat surprising. However, she does mention he liked to be in control and considering they were nearly engaged, I reckon she and him were a couple for a fairly long time. I don't think it was a very healthy relationship though... good thing she didn't go through with it. She can do better than Jonas (no, not Jack).

However, the episode does bring up the notion how the locals look upon the SG-teams and how teams respond to that. Connor did say that Frakes went with it when Hansen let the people believe they were gods. So, when did they cross the line? When Jonas saved that little girl? Or when they decided against telling the people they weren't gods? Interesting ideas to explore... which they sorta did in this episode.

I did wonder why the other teammember followed Jonas in his newfound godhood... what did Jonas promise him? Too bad it was never touched upon. Maybe they were black-ops buddies who stuck together, no matter what they had each other's backs. Or the radiation fried his brain.

And a new piece of Goa'uld technology, which will be re-used in Stargate Atlantis in season 1 as ... you never guess... a shield generator to protect a bunch of kids from being culled by the Wraith. :p

Brother Freyr
May 16th, 2013, 05:10 PM
And a new piece of Goa'uld technology, which will be re-used in Stargate Atlantis in season 1 as ... you never guess... a shield generator to protect a bunch of kids from being culled by the Wraith. :pThe shield in SGA is definitely made by the ancients. The shield in this episode is similar in appearance and function. I'd argue that the shield in this episode is our first encounter with Ancient tech (aside from the gates, of course). Also, providing the shield is consistent with Ancient behavior and inconsistent with goa'uld behavior. Sure, Teal'c thinks it's goa'uld technology, but it's no surprise for goa'uld to claim other species' technology as their own.

In retrospect, the shield is more plausible as Ancient technology than goa'uld.

Falcon Horus
May 17th, 2013, 12:27 AM
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, Brother Freyr, but I was actually talking about the prop. Not the actual technology... however, as far as the technology goes the Goa'uld probably "borrowed" it. :p

garhkal
May 18th, 2013, 11:06 AM
I wonder.. if during their search for ZPms they ever thought to go back to that planet to see if that 'shield' device had one, and if so how charged it was..

AsgardGirl
September 15th, 2014, 04:32 AM
I like this episode. It creates a great spooky atmosphere in the forest. It shows that religion can be used for bad things. I wonder if they make new people go with more psychic evaluation before joining SGC after this.
For Sam not shooting Jonas, I think it much more difficult to kill someone who you actually know. I like that Jonas is saying to Sam basically that she is naive and inexperienced. In the first season the whole SG-1 is naive going from planet to planet telling people to bury the gate and that they “will be fine”.

Falcon Horus
September 15th, 2014, 07:47 AM
It shows that religion can be used for bad things.

Sadly, we don't need a television series to know this is true.

jelgate
September 15th, 2014, 09:23 AM
I don't like the idea that people have that of blaming religion for problems. Religion is an idea people use for good or evil. Without it people just another idea to gain power

maneth
August 6th, 2015, 10:02 AM
Oh dear. Still, at least the people got rid of their so-called god on their own...

Anja
September 6th, 2015, 05:58 AM
Carter's worst choice - gone.
SG1 very preachy, not my favourite. :eek:

Claire98909
October 6th, 2015, 03:43 PM
Did something happen between Carter and Jonas between the scene where he takes the gun from her and the scene where he's leading her out of the cave? He clearly weakened her resolve in that scene; who knows what else he could have gotten her to do. Then there's these lines when he shows her the device:

CARTER (snorts) You never cared about my coming here because you wanted me, Jonas. You just wanted me to figure out how to turn this thing on for you.

HANSON Oh, no. That's not true. (He puts his hands on her arms, staring at her) I sincerely hope that one day, you will agree to be my goddess.

Why would she have said that unless he had given her a reason to believe that he had wanted her? I don't recall him saying anything to the effect. Sounds like they may have done something between the scenes, and now she's questioning him on it.

Thoughts?

Falcon Horus
October 7th, 2015, 12:03 AM
What do you think happened?

jckfan55
October 11th, 2015, 02:27 PM
Did something happen between Carter and Jonas between the scene where he takes the gun from her and the scene where he's leading her out of the cave?

No.

Falcon Horus
October 11th, 2015, 02:32 PM
No.

He did take her gun, so something must have happened between scene in the cave, and the scene walking out.

Amanda was told to relinquish her gun to the other actor, after which they were told to get back into position and stop joking around. Then there was an ACTION-call and they walked out, all serious again and in the zone.*

:p

* This is not what actually happened, I'm just making stuff up. However, I'm fairly sure that the switching off the gun probably did go that way, albeit I'm not sure about the continuity of the filming. I guess, it would have been filmed out of order as the cave is probably a stage set while the forest is obviously somewhere in the forests of Vancouver.

Claire98909
November 8th, 2015, 04:33 PM
He did take her gun, so something must have happened between scene in the cave, and the scene walking out.

Amanda was told to relinquish her gun to the other actor, after which they were told to get back into position and stop joking around. Then there was an ACTION-call and they walked out, all serious again and in the zone.*

:p

* This is not what actually happened, I'm just making stuff up. However, I'm fairly sure that the switching off the gun probably did go that way, albeit I'm not sure about the continuity of the filming. I guess, it would have been filmed out of order as the cave is probably a stage set while the forest is obviously somewhere in the forests of Vancouver.

Then how do you explain her saying (in a slightly miffed tone, btw) "you didn't care about me coming here because you wanted me, Jonas"? In order for her to say that, he would have had to give her an indication that he wanted her.

Lunaeclipse
November 8th, 2015, 07:48 PM
I always figured that Hansen lured them there by letting one of the men at the start escape, knowing that that man would go back and SG1 would come to stop him. He wanted help in translating some images and he needed 'outside help' so that the people who were worshiping him would not lose faith in him. There is history between Hanson and Carter as they talk about it and she says "You knew I would come, didn't you?" ...which makes me think he wanted to prove himself to her - based on the other part of the conversation "And you never thought I'd amount to anything. Quite a leap, isn't it?"

lgm89
February 8th, 2016, 11:43 AM
This was basically stargate meets apocalypse now. There's a good episode to be had in that, unfortunately this isn't it. It just feels too early in the show's run for sgc members to go native and just makes me wonder what the sgc's recruitment policy was like in those days.

There was also a lot of what tv tropes call " early instalment weirdness" in regards to sam's character, with things that just don't fit with the way she developed. Like her being "the healer of the emotionally wounded" and a engagement that was never mentioned again, not even when they brought in a regular character with the same first name as her fiancé.

It's funny to think that this came from the man that became, arguably, the show's best writer.

Falcon Horus
February 8th, 2016, 02:44 PM
He had to start somewhere, didn't he. :p

Lunaeclipse
February 8th, 2016, 02:46 PM
Yeah I chalk that up to teething problems.

Anja
February 9th, 2016, 01:36 AM
Nobody is perfect and there is always trial and error, isn't there?
And I'm not sure if we can take Hanson's words that seriously, he was crazy IMO.

lgm89
February 9th, 2016, 06:45 AM
He (and the show) certainly got a lot better, but it's funny looking back on it now and realizing how much of a rough start it was at times.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
February 9th, 2016, 08:54 AM
I think one of the most fun things is to take those character bits from the first season that they dropped later, and try to make them fit into the canon as it developed. Without being too twisty about it. However, there are some things that you just can't make fit.

I do think you can make Jonas fit, as a relationship Sam had when she was young and unsure of herself, but I don't think you can make all her actions in this episode fit.

Seaboe

Stargatefan99
May 29th, 2016, 07:04 AM
Teal'c's drawing and the 'thank you' he gives when complimented has got to be the funniest scene in Stargate I have seen in ages. Teal'c - you make me laugh. :)

Nirude
May 29th, 2016, 08:08 AM
Teal'c's drawing and the 'thank you' he gives when complimented has got to be the funniest scene in Stargate I have seen in ages. Teal'c - you make me laugh. :)
Heh, this reminded me of Jack's remark about the Unas cave art Daniel mentions in "Beast of Burden"... makes me laugh too. :D

Falcon Horus
October 23rd, 2017, 03:15 PM
This one and Cold Lazarus are not my favorite episodes of the season.

I can't find anything interesting about a guy who believes himself to be some kind of savior, who, with the power he gains over people who are well and truly still believing in fairytales, abuses that same power to turn into a fullblown psychopath, ruling by fear.

The Goa'uld did build a clever contraption to protect the people from the radiation of the sun, but then I realized they pretty much rehashed that whole idea in Atlantis' season 1 Childhood's End, and the episode was well and truly ruined. I can't be sure, but I actually think they even used the same design or even the same prop in SGA (which would surprise me since props usually didn't last long or were reused to build other props).

Anyway, then there's also that sudden notion that Carter was engaged to this crazy crackpot Captain -- I'm sorry guys, but I'm just not buying that.

All in all, if this episode hadn't existed, that would have been fine by me.

The one bit that did make me smile -- Teal'c having to work on his "friendly" face. :lol:

How would you rate SG-1's "The First Commandment?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

garhkal
October 23rd, 2017, 08:54 PM
Yea.. This ep was one of the poorest of S1..

aretood2
October 28th, 2017, 08:50 AM
This one and Cold Lazarus are not my favorite episodes of the season.

I can't find anything interesting about a guy who believes himself to be some kind of savior, who, with the power he gains over people who are well and truly still believing in fairytales, abuses that same power to turn into a fullblown psychopath, ruling by fear.

The Goa'uld did build a clever contraption to protect the people from the radiation of the sun, but then I realized they pretty much rehashed that whole idea in Atlantis' season 1 Childhood's End, and the episode was well and truly ruined. I can't be sure, but I actually think they even used the same design or even the same prop in SGA (which would surprise me since props usually didn't last long or were reused to build other props).

Anyway, then there's also that sudden notion that Carter was engaged to this crazy crackpot Captain -- I'm sorry guys, but I'm just not buying that.

All in all, if this episode hadn't existed, that would have been fine by me.

The one bit that did make me smile -- Teal'c having to work on his "friendly" face. :lol:

How would you rate SG-1's "The First Commandment?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

It think the Goa'uld stole the shield tech from some ancient ruins which is why they made it similar to the one in Atlantis. Most season 1 episodes for me were mostly...meh.

jelgate
October 28th, 2017, 01:29 PM
I have to agree with FH. Not so much that Carter was engaged to a crazy person. I can buy that as she wouldn't be the first woman to be blinded by a man's flaws. I have a hard time believing that the SGC would have 2 mentality unstable people on a team. The people who work at the SGC are supposed to be the best. It's a hard time believing Hanson got around that. If wasn't for the premise it wouldn't be a bad episode. I can see Jack fighting an alien man pretending to be god for example.

Also, is their a show filmed in Canada that Roger Cross isn't in?

This gets a poor

Falcon Horus
October 28th, 2017, 03:28 PM
It think the Goa'uld stole the shield tech from some ancient ruins which is why they made it similar to the one in Atlantis. Most season 1 episodes for me were mostly...meh.

That could work as an explanation, I guess. :p

***

Bringing forth the quiz for this round of episodes (https://goo.gl/forms/cgPWvBrNqNhlh3Bh1).

And another puzzle --> The First Commandment (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=41JKR4MS)

Good luck! :D

jelgate
October 28th, 2017, 04:51 PM
Think aretood has me beat this time. This puzzle took me 10 minutes and 44 seconds

Falcon Horus
October 29th, 2017, 01:37 AM
I should really solve my own puzzles... :p ...and see where I rank.

aretood2
October 29th, 2017, 06:21 PM
Think aretood has me beat this time. This puzzle took me 10 minutes and 44 seconds

11 Minutes....>.>

jelgate
October 29th, 2017, 06:40 PM
My dominance continues:D

Falcon Horus
October 30th, 2017, 01:28 AM
:lol:

Who Knows
October 30th, 2017, 03:43 AM
Sorry, 9:15

Falcon Horus
October 30th, 2017, 01:08 PM
Oh... new player in town to challenge the master... :p

Who Knows
October 30th, 2017, 03:56 PM
Oh... new player in town to challenge the master... :p

Not a challenge, probably pure luck.
I have not watched the episodes since they first came out on DVD, but I enjoy jigsaws, keeps the oud grey matter active. Same with the quizes

Falcon Horus
October 31st, 2017, 01:06 AM
Not a challenge, probably pure luck.
I have not watched the episodes since they first came out on DVD, but I enjoy jigsaws, keeps the oud grey matter active. Same with the quizes

LOL!!

By all means, I'm happy to help the grey matter be active. :)

Falcon Horus
November 12th, 2017, 04:11 AM
7:37

BethHG
June 9th, 2018, 05:55 AM
11:15.

Didn't like this episode so much.

But...

I did like the parallel between Jonas and the Go'ald (sp?) with becoming a god.

Teal'c showing his knowledge and fantastic drawing skills. :)

Seeing a young Roger Cross-- I liked him in Dark Matter.

That's about it for this one.

Falcon Horus
June 9th, 2018, 06:12 AM
11:15

Good start.

I have to admit I was still trying to figure out the whole "making a jigsaw" thing so err... if you feel like they are difficult, that would be on me. :p


I did like the parallel between Jonas and the Go'ald (sp?) with becoming a god.

Goa'uld -- but Go'ald works too. :)

jelgate
June 9th, 2018, 06:38 AM
Like this one (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?g=5&id=7EOCLQWV)?:P

Falcon Horus
June 9th, 2018, 07:49 AM
Like this one (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?g=5&id=7EOCLQWV)?:P

Yes, that one ... but I finished it, did you? Took me one hour and four minutes but I finished it. :p

BethHG
June 9th, 2018, 09:32 AM
Like this one (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?g=5&id=7EOCLQWV)?:P



After 25 minutes, I gave up.