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JadeStarkiller
May 14th, 2009, 08:02 PM
What did everyone think of the DoomsDay Season Finally Episode?

I thought it was great! Can't wait for season 9!

I'm very curious about Jimmy Olsen. Did not expect him to die!?!

Shan Bruce Lee
May 14th, 2009, 10:50 PM
That was a surprise. I liked the stuff with Clark and Lois in the beginning and the shot of Zod was awesome, but everything in between was kinda weak for a season finale.

It was nice to see more of the Justice League but they really didn't do much.
I liked the conflict between Clark and Oliver and I loved the fact that Clark came to the conclusion that his Kryptonian heritage was better than his "humanity" - Don't expect it to last though :(

The thing about Doomsday is that they made us wait all season for this epic showdown and then gave us about 20 seconds...

Jonzey
May 15th, 2009, 03:16 AM
I'm disappointed. We were promised an epic battle with Doomsday and instead got something under two minutes, which I had already seen in that preview thing last week. Jimmy dying was a surprise... and was Chloe clutching her stomach cos she was pregnant at the end???!!! Tess didn't die though, but it turns out she wants an alien apocalypse instead- again, disappointing because it's a complete turnaround of her character from a couple of episodes ago. Actually wouldn't have minded if she died. Lois had a pathetically small role followed by a disappearance thanks to a ring Clark got but didn't even need or want.

Bad bad bad bad bad.

Raj_2006
May 15th, 2009, 05:30 AM
Loved the episode, wished the battle went on longer but still great! Bring on season 9! :D

cflat
May 15th, 2009, 08:00 AM
I thought it was pretty good. Although poor Chloe. I was so not expecting Jimmy to die. I'm hoping that they'll bring him back somehow, but I doubt it.

I agree with some other people that the Doomsday battle was really short. It's too bad that they didn't have the episode be 2 hours. That way we'd get a longer battle. So it appears that Doomsday is really gone. I wonder who the bad guy will be for next season?

Hey, does anybody know what happened to Chloe's father? Did they just write him off or something? Because the last thing I remember hearing, he was alive. I don't remember hearing anything about him dying. I actually don't remember the last time he was mentioned.

marty2006
May 15th, 2009, 12:04 PM
I thought it was pretty good. Although poor Chloe. I was so not expecting Jimmy to die. I'm hoping that they'll bring him back somehow, but I doubt it.

I agree with some other people that the Doomsday battle was really short. It's too bad that they didn't have the episode be 2 hours. That way we'd get a longer battle. So it appears that Doomsday is really gone. I wonder who the bad guy will be for next season?

Hey, does anybody know what happened to Chloe's father? Did they just write him off or something? Because the last thing I remember hearing, he was alive. I don't remember hearing anything about him dying. I actually don't remember the last time he was mentioned.

They are adults now the parents have been written out of the show, but yeah i cant remember the last time we seen him 4 or 5 seasons maybe :confused:

Jimmy wont be back, unless there is some sort of flashback. Was fairly weak for a finale i thought the doomsday showdown was too short, however the ending was very interesting. Im intrigued to know what happened to lois when she put on the ring, hopfully when she has went to the future she actually remembers it and there are no memory wipes again lol.

majorsal
May 15th, 2009, 03:42 PM
i was liking the ep well enough, and then was very disappointed by the last 10 minutes or so.

i don't care for jimmy/chloe ship (too much like sam/pete, where a cute woman ends up with a boring dud), so i can honestly say i was cringing at their renewed i love you's at the end. and when he was killed off... i didn't feel anything.

i was more interested in chloe/davis. i really liked the actor that played davis, and they *finally* gave chloe and *hunk* to play with. but yeah, chloe loses both at the end!

and while i know what they were getting at with davis 'still' being evil and dark in some way (without the doomsday monster), i *hated* how they ruined his character in doing something so irredeemable.

and chloe! dangit, woman, make up your mind! you really *did* dig davis, so why suddenly act like the only reason you were helping him was to protect clark. i don't blame davis for being ticked. but i sure as heck HATE that he went in the direction he did.

and why didn't i put together the puzzle and know jimmy was going to die? if someone tells their secret to another, the knower is toast.

i'm going to miss davis... :mckay:

and now on to clark. you know, he really *was* sanctimonious in this ep. again, i know where the writers were getting with this (and where they want to go next season with clark), but it was so sudden and i wanted to bop him in the head.

clark made the wrong decision for the right reason, but here he is blaming 'feelings' on controlling his decisions, but he's doing it again with his self pittying spiel to chloe at the end. and what about chloe needing him? she's lost lois, jimmy, davis, and was afraid she'd lost clark. but clark's still going to leave her?... argh, i really wanted to bop him. :p

but i'm *super* glad chloe survived this! clark and chloe are my fave characters.

i'll still give this a thumbs up (even though the end was irking me badly). :)

Shan Bruce Lee
May 15th, 2009, 05:07 PM
and now on to clark. you know, he really *was* sanctimonious in this ep. again, i know where the writers were getting with this (and where they want to go next season with clark), but it was so sudden and i wanted to bop him in the head.

clark made the wrong decision for the right reason, but here he is blaming 'feelings' on controlling his decisions, but he's doing it again with his self pittying spiel to chloe at the end. and what about chloe needing him? she's lost lois, jimmy, davis, and was afraid she'd lost clark. but clark's still going to leave her?... argh, i really wanted to bop him. :p

I didn't see it as self pity. He was saying Humanity wasn't as great as he'd made it out to be and not worth ignoring his own Kryptonian heritage for.

knowles2
May 15th, 2009, 06:31 PM
Some how I got the feeling a little rock and magma will not stop doomsday, I also think that the person we sure at the end was not Clark kent and was just someone is appearing as him for now. He has never just vanish into thin air before this point.

I feel sorry for Jimmy he final had a job he enjoyed and the girl and get killed by a pole through heart. Sad. I actually thought he forgave Cloe far to easily and there needed to be some lasting hate there. Like the way they introduce us to the new watch tower. Much better than the old one.

I hope Lois is in the future, I am betting it worst now than ever and she going to have to come back a fix it. Hopefully we will see doomsday in the future fighting against few thousands superpowers humans, okay perhaps not, it a tiny bit beyond a tv budget.

I thought Oliver and the justice league was good. Slowly showing that they can act independently and more than capable of taking down superman or superguy as Jimmy called him, together. Perhaps next season someone will call him superman.

The doomsday fight was way to short and needed to be much longer an bigger in scale. They also really need to improve there sets, they did not have much atmosphere.

And so Zod is back on what is a defenceless planet, if my theory about that was not Clark talking to Cloe and was a fake. Zod is probably the next bad guy for the next season and Tess to. She is so asking to die a painfully slow death.

I enjoyed Lois and Tess little cat fight but really some tops should of came off during their little tussle and probably couple of chunks of hair to. Shame their was not a mud bath near by.

So overall a pretty descent episode, through I think they would off been braver if this was the final episode and that pipe probably would taken out Cloe as well as Jimmy.

kennythewraith
May 15th, 2009, 06:33 PM
while i was disapointed we do get one great thing to think about......ZODS BACK BABY HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i wonder who will play him...please be james marsters that would be awesome!!

the fifth man
May 15th, 2009, 07:11 PM
While I wish the fight with Doomsday would have lasted longer, I enjoyed Thursday's season finale. I really can't wait to see what they have in store for us next season. Having Zod back should be interesting.

MB.Eddie
May 15th, 2009, 11:08 PM
i was liking the ep well enough, and then was very disappointed by the last 10 minutes or so.

I agree.

Doomsday v Clark over far to quick and easy.

Jonzey
May 16th, 2009, 03:05 AM
We should just learn to never ever expect an epic superhero battle on TV. Heroes always lets us down too.

Madwelshboy
May 16th, 2009, 03:34 AM
We should just learn to never ever expect an epic superhero battle on TV. Heroes always lets us down too.

The difference being Heroes is about people rather than superheroes, while Smallville is about superheroe(s) rather than people, if you get what i mean. I've never have or never will expect a big action battle from Heroes because its not in the shows nature, but from Smallville its more expected.

knowles2
May 16th, 2009, 11:49 AM
We should just learn to never ever expect an epic superhero battle on TV. Heroes always lets us down too.

Yep it looking that way.
May be next season we a descent battle scene.

Vis Uban
May 16th, 2009, 06:02 PM
while i was disapointed we do get one great thing to think about......ZODS BACK BABY HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i wonder who will play him...please be james marsters that would be awesome!!

They might also try to get Samuel Witwer back to play Zod too, since Doomsday was supposed to be his son in Smallville's universe. Not that I wouldn't love to have James Marsters back; his Brainiac is still my favorite Smallville villain.

As finales go, this one was all right, but nothing special save for the death of two characters. The "fight" with Doomsday was, well, it wasn't actually a fight was it? Clark got thrown through a wall, punched a few times, then he did his hail mary pass to beat Doomsday. And Clark at the end, while annoying, was essentially in character. He claims that human emotions are the reason for his problems, thinking that a Kyrptonian attitude will be better, while all the while clearly being influenced by guilt lol. The problem is that Clark's not always the most aware of characters, what with his being completely oblivious to Chloe's problems throughout the season, not to mention his ignorance of his own motivations at times. Clark's actually my second favorite character, but he's definitely got some pretty consistent character flaws.

And again, why did he feel so guilty in the first place? Chloe was the one who split Davis, so why would Clark be responsible other than coming up with the plan in the first place? And come on, the only one responsible for Davis's psychotic episode...was Davis, not Clark or Chloe. In fact, Clark and Chole gave him a chance to be something more than a monster, a chance he wasted. And I have to say I was a bit disappointed in Clark for the funeral and the later conversion: Chole's done more to help him than anyone, not to mention protected his secret more than anyone, and he leaves her hanging? Heck, the only reason she went with Davis was to protect Clark. So this was definitely not a good Clark episode, but overall, it was pretty good.

Angela V
May 16th, 2009, 10:26 PM
The finale was too disjointed. It seemed to be that they really needed 2 hours or 2 episodes to flesh it out properly. And secondly it seemed they didn't have much in the budget for big fights, special effects. The Lois episode where she dresses as a super hero should've been dropped for the a second hour for the finale.

What I read on Kryptonsite is that this Jimmy is not THE Jimmy. As other fans caught at the grave the priest said his name as Henry JAMES Olsen. Then Chloe meets the little brother for the first time (which is weird why he would not have been at the wedding or that she never met him). This kid would be the real Jimmy who's first name would be James. Also he's much younger than Clark Kent which is a better age for Jimmy. Though this superman universe hasn't cared much for some character's ages. :D Anyway it would explain the scene where Chloe puts the camera around the brother's neck and why they killed off "Jimmy". Though why Henry would go by Jimmy is anyone's guess! My older sister had 2 middle names. One is Angela. I am the second child. My mom decided to give me the first name Angela. We of course both go by our first names. So it just seems the writers may have had too much to drink when they wrote that scene with the little brother and the Henry James thing. :cameronanime08b:

LtColCarter
May 17th, 2009, 11:37 AM
What did everyone think of the DoomsDay Season Finally Episode?

I thought it was great! Can't wait for season 9!

I'm very curious about Jimmy Olsen. Did not expect him to die!?!

I honestly felt that the episode was lacking. All in all season 8 was awesome, but the huge finale we were promised didn't deliver.


I'm disappointed. We were promised an epic battle with Doomsday and instead got something under two minutes, which I had already seen in that preview thing last week. Jimmy dying was a surprise... and was Chloe clutching her stomach cos she was pregnant at the end???!!! Tess didn't die though, but it turns out she wants an alien apocalypse instead- again, disappointing because it's a complete turnaround of her character from a couple of episodes ago. Actually wouldn't have minded if she died. Lois had a pathetically small role followed by a disappearance thanks to a ring Clark got but didn't even need or want.

Bad bad bad bad bad.

Amen! I agree with you. I think both Supernatural and Smallville season finales were epic failures instead of the epic battles that were promised.


The finale was too disjointed. It seemed to be that they really needed 2 hours or 2 episodes to flesh it out properly. And secondly it seemed they didn't have much in the budget for big fights, special effects. The Lois episode where she dresses as a super hero should've been dropped for the a second hour for the finale.

I agree that the Lois episode should've been dropped. But IDK if having a second hour to the finale would've made it better.


What I read on Kryptonsite is that this Jimmy is not THE Jimmy. As other fans caught at the grave the priest said his name as Henry JAMES Olsen. Then Chloe meets the little brother for the first time (which is weird why he would not have been at the wedding or that she never met him). This kid would be the real Jimmy who's first name would be James. Also he's much younger than Clark Kent which is a better age for Jimmy. Though this superman universe hasn't cared much for some character's ages.

Yeah...what was up with Chloe just meeting Jimmy's little brother at the funeral? That just didn't seem right.


:D Anyway it would explain the scene where Chloe puts the camera around the brother's neck and why they killed off "Jimmy". Though why Henry would go by Jimmy is anyone's guess! My older sister had 2 middle names. One is Angela. I am the second child. My mom decided to give me the first name Angela. We of course both go by our first names. So it just seems the writers may have had too much to drink when they wrote that scene with the little brother and the Henry James thing. :cameronanime08b:

Well, this is television...that explains loads! ;)

Madwelshboy
May 17th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Amen! I agree with you. I think both Supernatural and Smallville season finales were epic failures instead of the epic battles that were promised.

I pretty much agree with that statement. I saw 5 finales of the shows i watch (Lost, Bones, Grey's Anatomy, Supernatural and Smallville) in 2 days this and while i wouldn't go as far as saying they were epic failures, they were both the most disappointing finales i saw.

I agree with what many have said that the fight should have been long and that the episode itself may have worked better as a two parter.

I never expected Jimmy to die, i think mainly because when they said it would be a smallville vet, IMO Jimmy really didn't fit the description as a vet with only 1 season as a reoccurring and 2 as a regular.

As for Zod = Sam Winter. its been rumored that this is the case. it was even set up back in "Bloodline" when Faora, the wife of General Zod said he looked like his father.

Shan Bruce Lee
May 17th, 2009, 02:36 PM
I kinda hope it's not SW. I like SW and think he's a great actor, but it would be a little difficult for me to separate the characters when they're played by the same guy.

JadeStarkiller
May 17th, 2009, 10:36 PM
... and was Chloe clutching her stomach cos she was pregnant at the end???!!!

You know, I thought the same thing. She was clutching her stomach in a strange way.

I wonder if they'll do some DoomsDay Jr. Swist or something, lol. That'd probably be too weird. Or maybe Jimmy Olsen Jr.?????

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought that!

LtColCarter
May 18th, 2009, 04:00 AM
You know, I thought the same thing. She was clutching her stomach in a strange way.

I wonder if they'll do some DoomsDay Jr. Swist or something, lol. That'd probably be too weird. Or maybe Jimmy Olsen Jr.?????

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought that!

Or there's the possibility we're just reading too much into Chloe's actions.

wise one
May 18th, 2009, 07:57 AM
quite weak this episode

fight scene was way to short a punch and flyaway

lois probaly finds out about clark and maybe stops davis from killing jimmy

how zod came through earth from the orb baffles me wasnt he in the phantom zone???

ReFRidgerator
May 18th, 2009, 05:14 PM
So, I was on the Smallville wiki, and saw a theory that the Jimmy from the comics is actually Smallville's Jimmy's little broter. First off, in the comics Jimmys name is James Bartholomew Olsen, and he's 10 years younger than lois and Clark. Secondly Smallville's Jimmy is named Henry James Olsen. And of course when Chloe give Jimmy's brother the camera, it seems signifcant, like passin the torch to the "real" Jimmy or something.

Raj_2006
May 19th, 2009, 09:51 AM
I could of swarn that clark flew doomsday into that deep cave/whole in the earth, (whatever the correct term is called)

MB.Eddie
May 19th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I could of swarn that clark flew doomsday into that deep cave/whole in the earth, (whatever the correct term is called)

I think it was just a big jump.

Shan Bruce Lee
May 20th, 2009, 02:59 AM
I think it was just a big jump.

That's all it was.

LtColCarter
May 29th, 2009, 05:38 AM
quite weak this episode

fight scene was way to short a punch and flyaway

lois probaly finds out about clark and maybe stops davis from killing jimmy

how zod came through earth from the orb baffles me wasnt he in the phantom zone???

I agree...it was an extremely week episode. I was expecting much more from it after the build up that it was given.


I could of swarn that clark flew doomsday into that deep cave/whole in the earth, (whatever the correct term is called)

Sorry...it was just a big jump!

Angela V
May 31st, 2009, 08:49 PM
So I was re watching season 1 of Battlestar Galactica and realised
human looking Doomsday is a pilot! Noticed his name in the credits and found him. Now I can't remember if his character just disappeared or got killed off. I'm re watching BSG up to 4.0 that I have on DVD so I guess I'll figure it out eventually.:D

LtColCarter
June 2nd, 2009, 05:16 AM
So I was re watching season 1 of Battlestar Galactica and realised
human looking Doomsday is a pilot! Noticed his name in the credits and found him. Now I can't remember if his character just disappeared or got killed off. I'm re watching BSG up to 4.0 that I have on DVD so I guess I'll figure it out eventually.:D

I don't see the relation between a BSG (aka As The Spaceship Turns) episode and a Smallville episode. Oh well.

Commander Thor
June 2nd, 2009, 06:12 AM
i haven't seen doomsday yet but here is what i think.

iv heard DD dies in lava to get Zod back. but here's the catch you all didn't think of when saying he died

HE CAN'T. what kills him only makes him stronger. so he'll come back immune to heat now. so what is he immune to now?

most every human way of killing him
green K]
heat.


i have a clue for CK if DD does come back though. i bolded it.

red K makes CK go bad. what would it do to DD?
red K releases inhibitions so when wearing it when DD is Davis he's a cool guy leather jacket etc. but when he is DD he's like our favourite kryptonian superhero. Ka'l'el

my theoryTM

Merlin1701
June 9th, 2009, 01:37 PM
super weak episode...

Short fight sequenceand a poor ending. It just felt rushed.

Commander Thor
June 27th, 2009, 02:30 AM
ok i seen the ep about a week after i posted that. it was ok ish.

but fight seen was crap, very anti-climatic

LtColCarter
June 29th, 2009, 10:14 AM
ok i seen the ep about a week after i posted that. it was ok ish.

but fight seen was crap, very anti-climatic

Yuppers...its what we've been saying all along! :)

Commander Thor
June 30th, 2009, 11:19 PM
hey just seen it a week after my first post here

LtColCarter
July 4th, 2009, 09:23 PM
hey just seen it a week after my first post here

Well, I hope the new season is better than what they left us with at the end of the last season!

Commander Thor
August 6th, 2009, 03:53 AM
my sentiments exactly. but i have a Q...what if chloe IS preggers?

LtColCarter
August 6th, 2009, 04:00 AM
my sentiments exactly. but i have a Q...what if chloe IS preggers?

IDK...I guess we'll have to wait and see. I've not seen anything about Chloe being pregnant. I know she grabbed her stomach at the funeral, but nothing more was said. So, we'll have to see how that plays out.

Angela V
August 31st, 2009, 12:28 AM
I don't see the relation between a BSG (aka As The Spaceship Turns) episode and a Smallville episode. Oh well.

Actor who plays Doomsday is a pilot on BSG. And Smallville ISN'T soapy? Oh come on! There's more action in BSG.

lommit
September 11th, 2009, 08:52 AM
i think this episode was great, but some things that wasnt all that good.
the hole davis and chole item got done, thank god! and the fight between clark and oliver was good, it really showed that clark cant just uphold the law, sometimes u must get ur hand diry. so i hope in season 9 that we gonna see more of a stiff clark, get the bad guy and trow him in jail. but if the guy is just a A hole. kill him.
feelt bad that jimmy died. i dont think that we havent seen the last of doomsday.
but Zod oMG!! hope they dont mess it up. less tess episode, more justice league,clark and lois

only thing that i hated with the hole thing was every fight between the charasthers just got went away.. everyone didnt hate each other, all was ''im soory, u where right and im wrong'' the hole jimmy and chole, clark and oliver.

LoneStar1836
September 19th, 2009, 09:25 PM
So I was re watching season 1 of Battlestar Galactica and realised
human looking Doomsday is a pilot! Noticed his name in the credits and found him. Now I can't remember if his character just disappeared or got killed off. I'm re watching BSG up to 4.0 that I have on DVD so I guess I'll figure it out eventually.:D
I'm assuming you finally got around to those BSG eps. :D Yeah, SW played Crashdown on BSG in season one and then in the 3rd or 4th episode of season two he was killed. Baltar shot him in the back.

heh. I was watching the movie The Mist the other day and he was in that as well. And guess what? He died in that one too.


Anyway...on to this episode. I finally saw it the other night and it only makes the fact that they killed Jimmy off even worse. :mad:

I knew they whacked him back after this originally aired so I was not looking forward to this episode. I loved Jimmy and AA played him perfectly and he was cute to boot. I always liked him and Chloe together. They had their problems but eventually always worked through them. (I've been rewatching S5, S6, and S7 recently.)

Frak comic book cannon...it's not like they have followed it to a tee up until this point. Wasn't Doomsday supposed to kill Superman? (Though I suppose since he didn't kill Doomsday that's a workaround and this wasn't the battle.) Granted I didn't follow this season too closely...have only seen about half the eps...but their upfront reason...this Jimmy was too old :rolleyes:...for knocking off a great character is crap. And any sympathy I had for Davis disappeared like that.

Anyway, yep the fight was too short, but meh that's not why I generally watch Smallville anyway. I liked the friction between Clark and Oliver, and that for all of Clark's good intentions, it didn't matter anyway in the end.

Will definitely have to go back and watch this season from start to finish. But yay! that it's now on Friday so I can watch it as it airs otherwise it always conflicted on Thursday.

ReFRidgerator
October 29th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Ok, this episode wasn't the greatest, in fact it was the worst season finale for Smallville ever, but it did set the scene for Savior, one of the best Smallville episodes ever. I guess it really is the darkest before the dawn.

LtColCarter
October 30th, 2009, 06:06 AM
Ok, this episode wasn't the greatest, in fact it was the worst season finale for Smallville ever, but it did set the scene for Savior, one of the best Smallville episodes ever. I guess it really is the darkest before the dawn.

That's a good way to look at it!