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GateWorld
April 11th, 2009, 10:11 AM
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The Doctor joins forces with a precocious jewel thief after their bus travels through a vortex to San Helios, a desert world that has been consumed by a swarm of metallic stingray creatures.

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Admiral Mappalazarou
April 11th, 2009, 10:49 AM
Despite the title of my post - I loved the episode. Requesting mods to change it pleases?

I think it's safe to assume that the 'he will tap four times' means that 'our lord and master' will be returning shortly. :cameron:

knowles2
April 11th, 2009, 10:55 AM
Harsh but partly true.

The best part this episode was Michelle Ryan.

Was I the only one hoping we did not see the space ship fly, was a bit disappointed that it did not.

It was nice to see some aliens who do not have a second agenda.

I thought we needed a bigger ending, may be a valient 2 and several thousands of those creatures.

I thought the whole wormhole effect was rubbish.
The coloured wormen was under use and well rubbish really.

I thought UNIT was suppose to be the best of the best, they not going to let people who have even done regular army duty.

valen_sinclair
April 11th, 2009, 11:03 AM
michelle ryan was dreadful! that woman simply can not act her way out of a poorly rendered double decker bus....

Very very very poor 1/10

Reefgirl
April 11th, 2009, 11:22 AM
What did I think of Tomb Raider's of the Lost Stargate, I think the last comment says all. Even the soundtrack screamed "INDIANA JONES" in fact I found myself whistling it at the end.

During the opening sequence I thought, "oh it's Lara Croft", when she swapped the cup for the bag I thought, "RTD's been watching Raiders of the Lost Ark", when the camera showed the gold cat I thought "Yep, he's been watching Indiana Jones and playing Tomb Raider".

Who was that blond woman, has she been in Eastenders?

The bus passengers were ok, no-one irritated the pants off me like I thought they would.

The fly's were good, no agenda is a nice change

What's happened to UNIT, why have they started hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool? And the Captain, what she did is a courts martial offence for a start.

And why in the name of all that's holy did Lee Evans pick that rediculous voice (which is just as irritating as his normal vocie, I can't stand Lee Evans in any shape or form) he sounded just like Colin from The Brittas Empire.

What do I think? Bring on the next episode of Red Dwarf

Oh and BTW
I agree, He who is coming through the darkness and will knock 4 times is definitly The Master

Crazedwraith
April 11th, 2009, 11:28 AM
I'm going to have to go against the flow here. This one was a lot better than The Next Doctor or Journey's End, which were just painful.

Looking back from the lofty height of about an hour later. It was a bit bland but it was till pretty damn fun and was not painfully stupid like the umpteeth return of the Daleks or Cybermen.

knowles2
April 11th, 2009, 11:32 AM
Then again anything better than the boring Daleks an cyberman.

stargatefan234
April 11th, 2009, 11:37 AM
I thought it was good


I think it's safe to assume that the 'he will tap four times' means that 'our lord and master' will be returning shortly. :cameron:

He's returning through the dark (Davros)

He will knock for times (the masters drum beat)

one of the 2.

Madeleine
April 11th, 2009, 11:45 AM
That was better by far than the last two specials. The monsters were a good concept and well realised. Nice to see the timey wimey detector back. Wonderful look to the story, that desert and the distant storm of flying metal trilobites.

Loved the way the Doctor brushed aside the matter of what the sand tasted of, when he realised what it was. You just knew then what it was. *shudder*

I liked the captain. Malcolm was a bit OTT but the sprogs thought he was funny.

LOL that the Doctor accidentally dialed for pizzas.

The early shots of the Doctor & co appearing on a monitor at which a mysterious claw was pointing was sheer Classic Who. Lovely.

"Knock four times"? I know someone who used to knock four times.... :D

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 11th, 2009, 11:51 AM
Since I hated the xmas special, I have to say that this was a wonderful return to form. When I heard that the Master was coming back I never really believed it, but I guess that epic foreshadow at the end confirmed it.

My only complaint is that the Doctor should have clicked on to it as soon as he got the warning - 'He will knock four times...' I mean it should be pretty obvious to him what that means. Unless he is aware and isn't showing it.

Reefgirl
April 11th, 2009, 11:57 AM
Hopefully my other post will appear before long.

Did anyone else get the feeling of deja vu. I thought I was watching Tomb Raiders of the Lost Stargate, titled lady robbing artifacts (Lara Croft) swapping the cup for the bag/gold cat (Indiana Jones) wormhole (Stargate). Sweeping desert vistas (Lawrence of Arabia, Confidential, enough with the Lawrence of Arabia theme please) I did wish for Carlos Sainz or Marc Coma to come over the dunes to liven things up.

I found it a little boring, not edge of the seat stuff like the last 3 eps of the last series

LiliJ
April 11th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Ok, I'll admit, the music was awful! Totally took me out of the episode. But anyway...

I loved Michelle Ryan's character. She was brilliant - a real match for the Doctor. I hope we'll be seeing more of her. And could she be River Song...?

The episode as a whole... Ok. Relatively exciting, but not enough plot to really pull me in. And the ending was far too drawn out, and frankly it was ridiculous how long it took them to close the wormhole. UNIT just wouldn't wait that long. As soon as... that captain person... heard that the bus was out, she would/should have told whatisname to close the wormhole. But as a whole a fun episode. The next one doesn't look particularly good though... :S

Bodmanbod
April 11th, 2009, 12:15 PM
is it me or are UNIT useless all of a sudden? That said, so were the police and the guards at the gallery. Does the show get any kind of official advice etc like some shows do? just found how they were all portrayed as idiots a bit annoying.

If you are guarding something its a good idea to be watching it, dont have everyone stand with their back to it. Also the whole chase scene with the bus was rubbish, the driver would have pulled over straight away :p Dont get me started on the woman in charge of unit who was firing a hand gun in the air without even aiming properly at fast moving strongly armed targets and then saying "Guns dont work! I dont believe it!" Aren't Unit meant to be the best of the best and trained to expect the unexpected? Metal aliens have just come through a wormhole and your handgun doesnt work, big surprise.

/rant


On the plus side i thought the doctor was really well written and liked most of the jokes. The aliens creating the wormhole as a natural part of their life cycle was a nice idea. Also liked Michelle Ryan and her character, even if she did have a mary poppins bag that contained everything :p

All in all i thought the whole thing was a little rushed, the concept etc was nice but some of the writing and production let it down and the overall pace seemed rushed. Did RTD write this one? seems like one of his, good concept, not reached its full potential.


Oh and i loved lee evan's malcolm character, i hope the doctor has saved his phone number for the future :p

Madwelshboy
April 11th, 2009, 12:16 PM
I enjoyed it! it was fun, it was a romp. DT and MR work well together and her character while Dr Who version of Lara Croft still was rather interesting. The bus people were fine, really liked the psychic woman. The aliens were an interesting consept (making the wormhole)


The next one doesn't look particularly good though... :S

Think the next one, tho a new standalone adventure is just mainly set up for the final two part specials. since its been discribed as "closely linked to the final two, but is not the first part of a three part story"

LiliJ
April 11th, 2009, 12:18 PM
On the plus side i thought the doctor was really well written and liked most of the jokes. The aliens creating the wormhole as a natural part of their life cycle was a nice idea. Also liked Michelle Ryan and her character, even if she did have a mary poppins bag that contained everything :p

Yes, that was rather odd for the Doctor to send them to uninhabited planets. They need to eat. So really, he just committed genocide...

stargatefan234
April 11th, 2009, 12:43 PM
Ok, I'll admit, the music was awful! Totally took me out of the episode. But anyway...

I loved Michelle Ryan's character. She was brilliant - a real match for the Doctor. I hope we'll be seeing more of her. And could she be River Song...?

The episode as a whole... Ok. Relatively exciting, but not enough plot to really pull me in. And the ending was far too drawn out, and frankly it was ridiculous how long it took them to close the wormhole. UNIT just wouldn't wait that long. As soon as... that captain person... heard that the bus was out, she would/should have told whatisname to close the wormhole. But as a whole a fun episode. The next one doesn't look particularly good though... :S

It was mostly rehashed music, nothing new

Crazedwraith
April 11th, 2009, 12:45 PM
is it me or are UNIT useless all of a sudden? That said, so were the police and the guards at the gallery. Does the show get any kind of official advice etc like some shows do? just found how they were all portrayed as idiots a bit annoying.

If you are guarding something its a good idea to be watching it, dont have everyone stand with their back to it. Also the whole chase scene with the bus was rubbish, the driver would have pulled over straight away :p Dont get me started on the woman in charge of unit who was firing a hand gun in the air without even aiming properly at fast moving strongly armed targets and then saying "Guns dont work! I dont believe it!" Aren't Unit meant to be the best of the best and trained to expect the unexpected? Metal aliens have just come through a wormhole and your handgun doesnt work, big surprise.

/rant

Actually the line was "Guns That work. I don't beleive it." It was followed by shots of the alien being blasted out of the air.

It was a call back to the old doctor who line: 'Just once I'd like ot meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets'

LiliJ
April 11th, 2009, 12:47 PM
It was mostly rehashed music, nothing new

Really? Huh. It really stood out for me. Maybe it was how it was played. It was far too overdone. Took attention away from the action.

stargatefan234
April 11th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Really? Huh. It really stood out for me. Maybe it was how it was played. It was far too overdone. Took attention away from the action.

I wasn't passin comment on what you said, just a fact, dont think there was new music, maybe i agree, im not sure, i dont usually notice the music, but then i only noticed it to say "heard it before"

I Like Getting things first, usually the UK is so far behind the US i dont get to really discuss, but with DW and now Red Dwarf, i like it

Madeleine
April 11th, 2009, 12:51 PM
Yes, that was rather odd for the Doctor to send them to uninhabited planets. They need to eat. So really, he just committed genocide...

But the planets he'll be sending them to are uninhabited: they'll be eating rock and stuff, not people. Turning rocks and ores and stuff into sand doesn't count as genocide (I imagine the Doctor would check that there isn't a race of sentient stones on any of the worlds he picks.)

LiliJ
April 11th, 2009, 12:53 PM
I wasn't passin comment on what you said, just a fact, dont think there was new music, maybe i agree, im not sure, i dont usually notice the music, but then i only noticed it to say "heard it before"


Oh I know! I was just surprised cos I didn't think I'd heard it before...


But the planets he'll be sending them to are uninhabited: they'll be eating rock and stuff, not people. Turning rocks and ores and stuff into sand doesn't count as genocide (I imagine the Doctor would check that there isn't a race of sentient stones on any of the worlds he picks.)

Ah! I forgot they eat dead things too!

knowles2
April 11th, 2009, 12:55 PM
Yes, that was rather odd for the Doctor to send them to uninhabited planets. They need to eat. So really, he just committed genocide...

I think he probably meant planets with unintelligent life on.

LiliJ
April 11th, 2009, 12:57 PM
The Doctor wouldn't do that - unintelligent life evolves. He wouldn't deny them their chance at a future.

knowles2
April 11th, 2009, 01:13 PM
He would not do genocide either. but he can easily just visit a planet couple billions years in the future no intelligence life divert the worm hole.

Reefgirl
April 11th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Really? Huh. It really stood out for me. Maybe it was how it was played. It was far too overdone. Took attention away from the action.
It sounded like the theme from Indiana Jones

Reefgirl
April 11th, 2009, 01:16 PM
He would not do genocide either. but he can easily just visit a planet couple years in the future no intelligence life divert the worm hole.

He does do genocide, he wiped out the Daleks (three times) the Cybermen, the spiders from The Runaway Bride and many more

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
April 11th, 2009, 01:20 PM
Well that didn't change my opinion on Dr. Who at all..... It was utter rubbish, but unfortunately not the point where I could make fun of it :(. Though it did give me a funny image of Museum managers standing around looking at CCTV and going "I told you with should have put lazer beams going across the top of the artefact too! Or at least have one of the guards looking at it!"

LiliJ
April 11th, 2009, 01:22 PM
He would not do genocide either. but he can easily just visit a planet couple years in the future no intelligence life divert the worm hole.

Nope. Although one species(es) of intelligent life may have stopped on a planet, that isn't to say that another might evolve. There are so many different forms of life.


He does do genocide, he wiped out the Daleks (three times) the Cybermen, the spiders from The Runaway Bride and many more

Those were special cases! I'm talking about creatures that have so much potential here, whose destiny hasn't even been written yet.
...
OK, I've been watching too much Dr Who!

stargatefan234
April 11th, 2009, 01:24 PM
I think it's safe to assume that the 'he will tap four times' means that 'our lord and master' will be returning shortly. :cameron:

I'm wondering now if thats to obvious, but then, who else could beat Davros

Earthgate Ricky
April 11th, 2009, 01:35 PM
I just watched half of "The Planet of Dead". it sound so good,

I discovered that "Doctor Who Forum" banned everyone from posting. What's big deal ?!?

Next episode on Doctor Who: " The Waters of Mars"

Gregorius
April 11th, 2009, 02:02 PM
I discovered that "Doctor Who Forum" banned everyone from posting. What's big deal ?!?

Slightly off-topic: Forum patrons are allowed to post, it's just that guests and regular posters aren't allowed access to it. This is to prevent the forum from dying due to the massive increase in traffic after a special has aired.

huntress
April 11th, 2009, 02:45 PM
My hopes for a better special were dashed. This special held zero tention and bored me quite frankly to tears. That insect race looked rubbish, the story was a not very well mixed stew of well known elements from movies like Stargate, Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones and I stick with Pitch Black for the planet with the three suns, oh and throw in Independence Day for aliens that move from planet to planet like locusts. Lee Evans and the ridiulous accent annoyed the hell out of me, Michelle Ryan CAN'T ACT, the black lady was just annoying and UNIT has turned into a bunch of dumb little soliders from some B-Flick. What a joke. I really had to force myself to watch this thing through. One last note about the music. Terrible. Murray I usually adore what you do but either the mixing was really off or the music really was just as bad as I perceived it to be. In the last half he tried to be as swashbuckling as David Arnold and mostly failed but the worst parts were the first 2/3 of the score. The only thing I liked? The flying bus.

I agree the one who comes through the drak knocking four times is the Master. No question.

Matt G
April 11th, 2009, 02:50 PM
1. I actually liked Lady Christina, surprised the writers aren't keeping her on for the next few specials at least.

2. Idiot DCI - I think you have bigger fish to fry than a missing jewel thief.

3. Malcolm, meh.

4. Tractovores - decent allies.

5. A flying bus will make you stand out like a sore thub milady!

Overall, very good ep! :)

Pharaoh Atem
April 11th, 2009, 03:50 PM
michelle ryan was dreadful! that woman simply can not act her way out of a poorly rendered double decker bus....



i really liked her :)

Flyboy
April 11th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Ok.

You know what.

I was wrong.


You all hear that?

That's the sound of hell freezing over.

Ladies and Gentlemen.

I WAS WRONG!


This ep.

Was cracking!

(If you'll pardon the pun)




Fantastic use of UNIT - back on form, just as they should be, engaging a potential threat with competance and style. And with a few tricks up their own sleeve. And did you check out those bloody missile systems!? I think I'm having a gun-gasm. #

Flying bus!? Loved it.

Companion!? Bloody hell, let's have her back shall we. She outclassed Martha and Rose easily.

Very, VERY happy with that episode.

Only gripe. How the hell is it that extras can seem to wear a military beret with no issues, but speaking roles can't. Ross Jenkins, and now the good Captain? As I have always said to a wet behind the ears recruit, and will always continue to say -

IT'S A BLOODY BERET! NOT A BLOODY BEANIE!

Honestly. The beret perches nicely on your head. Snugly, but not so it's pulled over that it adopts the SHAPE of your head.

Seriously - someone on set knows how to mould a beret properly - why can't they ensure everyone gets it right?

Replicator Todd
April 11th, 2009, 05:58 PM
One thing I hate about living in the US, no new Doctor Who....enjoy it, while I sit here! :( Oh well, i'll find a way to watch it eventually.

ShadowMaat
April 11th, 2009, 09:53 PM
While I didn't think this ep was sheer brilliance, I did think it was fun. The "knock four times" thing was a pretty big (and cool) hint, and I liked the reference back to the Doctor's song ending soon.

Having seen the preview I'd gotten a bit of a Langoliers vibe off it so I was glad to see that the story didn't pan out in a remotely similar way, though the evil alien space stingrays were kinda fun. Not sure the science behind what they do is very sound (I'd put it right up there with Superman reversing time by flying really fast around the planet), but I'm willing to make allowances for now. ;)

My BIGGEST gripe, and it's a silly one, is WTF was up with the earpieces? EARpieces? for ALIENS WHO DON'T HAVE EARS?! Or at least not external ones. And certainly not external ones that match the exact contours of a human ear. HA!

Oh, there were other plot holes and things that nagged and it lacked a certain epic-ness, but like I said, it was still a fun outing and on the whole I was happy with it, ears and all. :D

When's the next one due?

Erised
April 11th, 2009, 10:01 PM
I forgot how much I love Doctor Who!!!

I loved the new companion. She should come back!:)

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 12:21 AM
Oh, and as Ukky just pointed out to me... "Why didn't the Doctor just have UNIT send through another vehicle?" You could probably even get one with... sand tires or whatever.

Cak20
April 12th, 2009, 12:59 AM
You have a point but it wouldn't be as fun that way and it would be a very boring episode

Darkstar 2.0
April 12th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Wormholes

Aliens

Monsters

Good Guys

Plot

what more could you expect, not the best i've seen but much of an improvement over the terrible christmas special last December!

huntress
April 12th, 2009, 01:32 AM
is it me or are UNIT useless all of a sudden? That said, so were the police and the guards at the gallery. Does the show get any kind of official advice etc like some shows do? just found how they were all portrayed as idiots a bit annoying.

If you are guarding something its a good idea to be watching it, dont have everyone stand with their back to it. Also the whole chase scene with the bus was rubbish, the driver would have pulled over straight away :p Dont get me started on the woman in charge of unit who was firing a hand gun in the air without even aiming properly at fast moving strongly armed targets and then saying "Guns dont work! I dont believe it!" Aren't Unit meant to be the best of the best and trained to expect the unexpected? Metal aliens have just come through a wormhole and your handgun doesnt work, big surprise.

/rant



That was also what bugged me a lot. The bus driver would never just go on driving and the police and guards as well as UNIT were utterly useless. Instead of using their brains they just start shooting at the metal aliens with their tiny guns and also even miss most of the time. This is supposed to be Earths finest? Well they used to be .... Also the "chase" after the bus wasn't much of a chase. More like casual driving after the bus. I didn't expect action a la "Bad Boys" but better editing of the scenes would have given the scenes more of an edge. The heist of lady Christina was just laughable - all the guards facing away from the artefact. Right.

Crazedwraith
April 12th, 2009, 02:11 AM
That was also what bugged me a lot. The bus driver would never just go on driving and the police and guards as well as UNIT were utterly useless. Instead of using their brains they just start shooting at the metal aliens with their tiny guns and also even miss most of the time. This is supposed to be Earths finest?

What else do you expect them to do? They're soldiers with guns, what else are they going to do? And they didn't miss they actually managed to shoot all three creatures down in short order.

Forseti (a.k.a. Thor's lawyer)
April 12th, 2009, 02:38 AM
While it certainly had it’s flaws, there was still enough in this episode to enjoy it.

1. The story atmosphere was good, although I don’t see why they had to go to Dubai for this.
2. CGI was pretty decent too, liked the Scorpion nebula.
3. I somehow expected Malcolm to die horribly, but instead they killed off the less annoying bus driver. For shame…
4. I would be surprised if this were the first and last time we heard Lady De Souza’s name. I expect this cat burglar to turn up on some one’s pay roll eventually. Also a flying bus doesn’t seem to be the least conspicuous means of escape, might be hard to land without somebody noticing.
5. ‘It’ is returning from the dark and ‘he’ will knock four times. That’s two distinct things, isn’t it? It’s pretty obvious who the ‘he’ refers to. May be even too obvious, so maybe several people will come knocking four times. I wonder what the ‘it’ will be… the great Beast, the Time Lord Empire, Ood Sigma (no, that’s likely a he too).

T minus seven months to November-ish and ‘The Waters of Mars’ (or ‘The Masters of War’, or ‘The War of Masters’ or ‘Aft he Rows, Master’, …)

rosey_angel
April 12th, 2009, 02:50 AM
this was a pretty good ep.

the museum guards were a joke, i can only think that it was a set up to get christina there so they could catch her in the act. otherwise that was so bad. and that bus driver? even tho she gave him her earrings, he didn't know they were real, and he kept driving even with the police behind him! i don't think he wanted his job for much longer.

but once they got onto the planet the ep got much better. i like that they kept referencing past eps, that was a nice touch. and lol at the doctor changing his glasses.

christina was a good character, wild at times but she knew she didn't know everything and differed to the doctor at those times. the flying bus was pretty bad tho. what did she think she was gonna do? they're just gonna shoot her down, and seeing as the UNIT woman was gonna shoot malcolm, i don't think they'd care about killing her in the process. she shoulda just made a run for it or stick it out in jail.

the guest cast was pretty good, too. tho they didn't have a lot to do they did thier jobs nicely

knowles2
April 12th, 2009, 03:08 AM
this was a pretty good ep.

the museum guards were a joke, i can only think that it was a set up to get christina there so they could catch her in the act. otherwise that was so bad. and that bus driver? even tho she gave him her earrings, he didn't know they were real, and he kept driving even with the police behind him! i don't think he wanted his job for much longer.

but once they got onto the planet the ep got much better. i like that they kept referencing past eps, that was a nice touch. and lol at the doctor changing his glasses.

christina was a good character, wild at times but she knew she didn't know everything and differed to the doctor at those times. the flying bus was pretty bad tho. what did she think she was gonna do? they're just gonna shoot her down, and seeing as the UNIT woman was gonna shoot malcolm, i don't think they'd care about killing her in the process. she shoulda just made a run for it or stick it out in jail.

the guest cast was pretty good, too. tho they didn't have a lot to do they did thier jobs nicely

Unit treat the doctor as a god, he told them to kiss his ass they probably would do it, so him telling them to let the bus go is not much a stretch. Plus the major never like the detective anyway I doubt she would do him a favor anyway, nope it a military matter, purely civilian. And just imagine the paper work for shooting down a bus, the aliens was probably bad enough but a bus an a civilian death, that just a nightmare.

Ian-S
April 12th, 2009, 03:48 AM
didn't particularly enjoy the episode tbh. saw too many recycled stories, and some people are just sooooo wodden in their acting ability.

I got the feeling at the end the whole episode was a screen test for MR, see how we take her (nice fitting outfit, shame about the accent), see how Joe Public reacts to her, if good bring her back as the new Doctor's companion, if not doesn't matter.

About the only time I laughed was when the Doctor changed his glasses and phoned the pizza place instead of UNIT.

Pharaoh Atem
April 12th, 2009, 06:20 AM
hello i'm the doctor happy easter :D

well i've watched this 3 times now and i really enjoyed some of the subtle jokes were great. i loved then the doctor asked for the cup and promises to be careful with it and then starts hitting it with a hammer :P only 10

Michelle ryan did a good job IMO. she really could be a good companion for 11. the only thing that i didn't get was the ending where exactly was Christina going with the bus??? it can't go out into space

i love the hints abut drumming :) the master must be the one who kills ten

ADD

great use of UNIT and i liked that Malcolm guy

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 06:39 AM
One other little niggle.

I'm not a devout Christian or anything, though I do have some measure of a faith - I was a little uncertain about the Doctor's line about Easter at the start, about being there for the first one and "what really happened". I thought that pushed a bit of an atheistic agenda - one which I'm honestly not comfortable with tbh. I think such teachings have no benefit to them. I'm all for agnosticism. But the Church of Dawkins is something I'm not comfortable with.

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 09:56 AM
One other little niggle.

I'm not a devout Christian or anything, though I do have some measure of a faith - I was a little uncertain about the Doctor's line about Easter at the start, about being there for the first one and "what really happened". I thought that pushed a bit of an atheistic agenda - one which I'm honestly not comfortable with tbh. I think such teachings have no benefit to them. I'm all for agnosticism. But the Church of Dawkins is something I'm not comfortable with.

I didn't see it as atheistic I just saw it as another of the Doctor's "juicy tidbits the world doesn't know about" stories. But maybe that's equally bad? But then again I also didn't know the Golden Compass books were all about atheism, so I guess there are some agendas that miss me no matter how anvil-y they are. ;)

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 10:08 AM
I didn't see it as atheistic I just saw it as another of the Doctor's "juicy tidbits the world doesn't know about" stories. But maybe that's equally bad? But then again I also didn't know the Golden Compass books were all about atheism, so I guess there are some agendas that miss me no matter how anvil-y they are. ;)
I wouldn't say Phillip Pullman's books were atheist, I'd say it encouraged challenging pre-conceptions and established fact surrounding the nature of the universe - in otherwords keep an open mind.

Atheist, like Christianity or Islam, is a belief system, only in this case one which discounts the idea of a God altogether, where as in His Dark Materials there was more to the universe than we could possibly imagine.

The thing is, people are starting to think its ok to go round touting Atheism as "correct" and I think that's as bad as officially declaring Christianity or Islam to be correct. Only agnosticism imo is worthy such treatment, as that in itself allows for one to be open to all possibilities, God or no God.

But you have a point about the Doctor's juicy tid bits, though as I said, at the time I read it as a subtle dig from Mr RTD who we know is a Dawkins fan.

Crazedwraith
April 12th, 2009, 10:18 AM
FOB, I take it you're ewually against the lion the witch and the wardrobe then? For being so pro christianity and pretty much present it as the correct truth?

It was a throw away line. I thought it was quite annoying for other reasons but still, Doctor Who is allowed to display any philosophy the writers feel like. That's freedom of speech for you.

knowles2
April 12th, 2009, 10:23 AM
One other little niggle.

I'm not a devout Christian or anything, though I do have some measure of a faith - I was a little uncertain about the Doctor's line about Easter at the start, about being there for the first one and "what really happened". I thought that pushed a bit of an atheistic agenda - one which I'm honestly not comfortable with tbh. I think such teachings have no benefit to them. I'm all for agnosticism. But the Church of Dawkins is something I'm not comfortable with.

I was hoping someone would not notice that line, give line how far threads go of topic when religion is mention.

But now he said it, I want an episode base on it.

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 10:23 AM
FOB, I take it you're ewually against the lion the witch and the wardrobe then? For being so pro christianity and pretty much present it as the correct truth?

It was a throw away line. I thought it was quite annoying for other reasons but still, Doctor Who is allowed to display any philosophy the writers feel like. That's freedom of speech for you.
Easy mate.

I'm sensing a bit of tension there.

I was merely pointing out that I, someone not of devout faith, thought the line to be a bit sneaky, and I can imagine it upset a fair few others.

Narnia, whilst I see the religious allegory in it, is just plain fantasy - so no I don't see an issue with it.

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 10:25 AM
But you have a point about the Doctor's juicy tid bits, though as I said, at the time I read it as a subtle dig from Mr RTD who we know is a Dawkins fan.

You may know it, I'm not even sure who Dawkins is. ;) I tend to avoid the whole religion thing (especially if it's science vs. religion) the way I avoid politics and gender issues... Which means I generally don't know who any of the players are and am quite happy to remain ignorant and unsullied by the outrage/machinations of others. And those issues always involve outrage/machinations somewhere.

Anyway, moving on...


You have a point but it wouldn't be as fun that way and it would be a very boring episode
Oh, no question about that! I just thought it was an amusing observation and one I managed to completely miss until Ukky said something. LOL! It seems obvious in retrospect, though yes, it'd definitely also have been less interesting than a flying bus. ;)

welshgater
April 12th, 2009, 10:37 AM
I really enjoyed it, an exciting ep :) I liked Christina very much but she didn't seem phased by anything until she saw that hologram on the aliens ship, i found that a bit odd, wish the Doctor had let her come with him but letting her escape was cool too. I liked the fly people as well, they were sweet, I had a feeling they were gonna get killed :danielanime07:
Happy Easter!

Crazedwraith
April 12th, 2009, 11:02 AM
Easy mate.

I'm sensing a bit of tension there.

I was merely pointing out that I, someone not of devout faith, thought the line to be a bit sneaky, and I can imagine it upset a fair few others.

Narnia, whilst I see the religious allegory in it, is just plain fantasy - so no I don't see an issue with it.

And Doctor who is just plain science fiction, so I see no issue with it.

I find it odd that you're willing to let mainstream religion a pass but you won't do the same for atheism under the same circumstance.

Plus I have to dispute your assertion that atheism is 'a system of belief' Atheism is not a beleive system. I don't beleive in the theory of evolution in the same way I don't 'beleive' in Newton's theory of gravity. Its just reality. jump up and down and you see it.

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 11:06 AM
Would now be a good time to point to the OT section which is where all religious and/or other fighting discussion belongs?

welshgater- I was sorry to see the flyguys go, but yeah, they did have a doomy air about them. Poor things. Hope they didn't leave any orphaned maggotbabies behind...

Forseti (a.k.a. Thor's lawyer)
April 12th, 2009, 11:09 AM
I was merely pointing out that I, someone not of devout faith, thought the line to be a bit sneaky, and I can imagine it upset a fair few others.
I think you’re hastily jumping to conclusions on this one. It’s an Eastern special of a time travel series, so it’s only logical that there’s some reference to the celebrated event and it was kept so vague that it could’ve meant anything. I don’t think RTD was pushing any agenda here and even if he was, he could have done a much better job. Dr. Who, like any other fiction series, should not be overanalyzed.

Remember, that part when they showed a hologram of a swarm creature. It had a metal exoskeleton to protect it from the wormhole’s effects and the Doctor commented how good a design that was. By the same logic, RTD could have been promoting ID there, which I don’t think was the case either.

Finally, fiction doesn’t say anything about reality. It remains a part of the realm of fantasy which, at best, tackles some social problems/questions, but that’s all there is to it. (I blame the human tendency to see patterns and conspiracies, where there are non.)

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 11:11 AM
And Doctor who is just plain science fiction, so I see no issue with it.

I find it odd that you're willing to let mainstream religion a pass but you won't do the same for atheism under the same circumstance.

Plus I have to dispute your assertion that atheism is 'a system of belief' Atheism is not a beleive system. I don't beleive in the theory of evolution in the same way I don't 'beleive' in Newton's theory of gravity. Its just reality. jump up and down and you see it.
No. I'm not willing to give mainstream religion a pass.

There's a difference between religious allegory, and catagorically saying something is true. Despite the implications of Narnia, it does not catagorically talk about Christ.

Atheism has become a system of believe, but should NOT be confused with scientific observations.

I don't understand why you have to lump atheism with scientific endeavour, nor seperate faith from it.

Scientific understanding of the natural world is of course - not a belief system (until you get to VERY advanced physics, and even scientists have admitted that, there was an interesting 'New Scientist' article about that).

What IS a belief system is the BELIEF that there is no God. God cannot be proven or disproven, and thus acceptance of God, or acceptance of a lack of God, is either way, a believe system. Under Dawkins, this has practically become a religion with its own bible - he has a mission to convert those with religion into atheists - he has stated that he hopes all who read his book are atheists by the time they finish. That sounds to me like a preacher trying to convert and add to his flock.

I am an agnostic. I accept scientific teachings and believe they are vital to the understanding of the world. However I don't buy into Dawkin's assertions that acceptance of science is mututally exclusive with faith.

And whilst I understand his claims that religion attempts to stifle free thinking and independent thought, I also believe that his atheistic religion does exactly the same, as he encourages individuals to stop considering the idea that there might be more to lift, in essence to stop independently considering what MIGHT be.


Please don't attempt to lump me with those who don't accept scientific evidence.



EDIT: Besides, I was only mentioning the line as one that was potentially a bit naughty. I wasn't intending to make THIS big a deal out of it.

knowles2
April 12th, 2009, 11:16 AM
Gets out the popcorn, sit back and lets watch the argument discussion continue. It gonna be entertaining.

Forseti (a.k.a. Thor's lawyer)
April 12th, 2009, 11:16 AM
EDIT: Besides, I was only mentioning the line as one that was potentially a bit naughty. I wasn't intending to make THIS big a deal out of it.
It really doesn't take much for this kind of debates, huh. ;)

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 11:17 AM
It really doesn't take much for this kind of debates, huh. ;)
Indeed. I'm regretting mentioning anything now... as I've also been taken out of context, and unless I'm greatly mistaken, CrazedWraith believes me to be a science-rejecting creationist.... Oh deary me.

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 11:18 AM
Indeed. I'm regretting mentioning anything now... as I've also been taken out of context, and unless I'm greatly mistaken, CrazedWraith believes me to be a science-rejecting creationist.... Oh deary me.

*pats Fobby* That's why God Someone invented the ignore feature, sweetie. ;)

huntress
April 12th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Too bad ;) I also wanted to get out my popcorn LOL

I didn't know that RTD is a Dawkins fan but then I still have to watch "The Second Coming" from him which I have but never watched. A lot of things that are said between the lines now make sense.

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 12:11 PM
Sooooo.

Planets.

Dead things.

Dead planets.

Planets of the Dead.

Cracking. (ha ha ha ha)

And UNIT - hurrah!

So who do people prefer, Magumbo or Mace?

I personally prefer the latter. I think he was a much more effective commander and one who would be appauled with putting a gun to the head of the scientific advisor. Additionally, he wore, just as the Brig did, British Army number 2 dress. Why on EARTH is Magumbo wearing a BLACK tunic???

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Don't know my history so I don't know Mace, but he sounds better than Magumbo. She's a bit too... I dunno, but I didn't like her stick-up-the-arse vibe and pulling the gun on the geeky fanboy was very uncool, IMO. Either she's incredibly stupid for planning to shoot their lead science guy who's the only one who knows how everything works (she should at least have had a backup geek primed and ready) or she's incredibly stupid for thinking she can get people to cooperate simply by pointing a gun at them and NOT shooting.

Flyboy
April 12th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Don't know my history so I don't know Mace, but he sounds better than Magumbo. She's a bit too... I dunno, but I didn't like her stick-up-the-arse vibe and pulling the gun on the geeky fanboy was very uncool, IMO. Either she's incredibly stupid for planning to shoot their lead science guy who's the only one who knows how everything works (she should at least have had a backup geek primed and ready) or she's incredibly stupid for thinking she can get people to cooperate simply by pointing a gun at them and NOT shooting.
Mace was the Officer in Charge of Operation Blue Sky, ie the Sontaran Stratagem and Poison Sky.

Here we go:

http://www.eyeofhorus.org.uk/images/photo/10tennant/series-04/04-thesontaranstratagem/doctor-mace-salute.jpg

And yes, Magumbo was stupid. She can't salute properly either.

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Mace was the Officer in Charge of Operation Blue Sky, ie the Sontaran Stratagem and Poison Sky.
Ohhh, that guy! Loved him!

P-90_177
April 12th, 2009, 01:09 PM
Hmmm.........gotta say........I'm not too sure about this one. I mean i mised the first 5 minutes so i could do with a second viewing buuut it wasn't quite as good as I wanted it to be..........well............much rather it was very good...............all except the flying bus...........once again way too harry potter. .....Was hoping for a Journeys End......instead got something more in town with the last christmas special......I still loved it........I just felt a bit..........empty afterwards.

Crazedwraith
April 12th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Indeed. I'm regretting mentioning anything now... as I've also been taken out of context, and unless I'm greatly mistaken, CrazedWraith believes me to be a science-rejecting creationist.... Oh deary me.

No but I do think you can't read. "Crazedwraith" at most one capital letter. :P This isn't really heated argument for me. I'm sorry if I come off a bit fierce.

Also I will concede I went slightly off the rails with my last post and for some reason jumped from a discussion of atheism to that of Darwin's theory of evolution which is not what you talking about at all. So sorry for that.

But I will maintain that Atheism is not 'a belief system' in the sense there is no code of conduct of atheism. There isn't church meetings for atheisms and a standard set of believes or values. Its not a codified system. It simply a term for someone who doesn't believe in any kind of god.


In the end though, it was a half a line in PoD. And it wasn't explicitly athiest either. For all we know what he was about to say could have actually backed up christianity. The only people I think that will be truely offended are people that were looking to be offened in the first place.

Edit: Most of this discussion will I think be taken in PMs if it goes any further. Apologies for the slight tangent.

Forseti (a.k.a. Thor's lawyer)
April 12th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Indeed. I'm regretting mentioning anything now... as I've also been taken out of context, and unless I'm greatly mistaken, CrazedWraith believes me to be a science-rejecting creationist.... Oh deary me.
Well, there's nothing to regret in my opinion... since there's no such thing as a bad debate. You made a valid point and I argued in post # 59 that by following the same logic PotD would also be pushing a creationist agenda. So, maybe one thing can cancel out the other thing (two wrongs make a right :p).

This actually brings back memories about another discussion I had on this forum. It started with me trying to explain scientific notions like the theory of evolution and their misrepresentation in popular fiction... and then the whole thing escalated and became "natural v. supernatural". Peachy, but ultimately very tiresome and useless. If two sides start with a fundamentally different premise, you'll never get the message through. Hence, while I like Dawkins (I consider myself an atheist by belief and an agnostic by methodology), I don't see how he could ever win the argument or even improve anything by doing so. Ironically both sides end up doing the same thing. There's nothing either good or evil, but (human) thinking makes it so...

It seems we wandered way of topic here, all thanks to the Doctor. Did say I thought it was a decent episode? I guess so, but what do you think, honorable next poster? :o

Jonzey
April 12th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Wait, why did they not just push the Tardis through the rift?

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Wait, why did they not just push the Tardis through the rift?

Wouldn't be as much fun? ;)

I wanna know about the expansion thing. They said they cleared the airspace, but what about the poor saps on the ground? did they cordon off the whole area or are we meant to believe that this wormhole only expanded upwards and not in any other directions? :P

Jonzey
April 12th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Yeah it really wasn't that well thought out. Still an enjoyable romp though. I think they got stuck with the idea of ''wouldnt it be cool to have a bus on another planet'' and had to fudge the rest to make it happen.

Col.Foley
April 12th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Since I hated the xmas special, I have to say that this was a wonderful return to form. When I heard that the Master was coming back I never really believed it, but I guess that epic foreshadow at the end confirmed it.

My only complaint is that the Doctor should have clicked on to it as soon as he got the warning - 'He will knock four times...' I mean it should be pretty obvious to him what that means. Unless he is aware and isn't showing it.
He was aware, and he was showing it. That was a very grave look he gave at the end, he knew exactly what she was talking about, which just adds more credence to your theory...of course she could just be getting her singals crossed:P
But seriosly? David Tennant's Doctor may regenerate fighting John Simms Master? Blargh! Ugh! I do not think I will like this much.
It was a good special though, not Next Doctor caliber...........hmmm I just said that. Any way...yeah it was good, not great, it had its moment...liked the companion..and the psychic, and the creature this time was interesting...though it did stretch reality a bit with the flying around the planet equals big giant wormhole of death, but it is Doctor Who.

And UNIT - hurrah! indeed

So who do people prefer, Magumbo or Mace?
Mace by far. "You will face me sir!"

Stan
April 12th, 2009, 10:58 PM
Bad: I thought the whole structually damaged bus flying stuff was not needed and poorly done. It kind of wasted the effort put in by the others left stranded on the bus; they should have been heroes too; repairing and salvaging the bus. Having turned over from Primeval I found the VFX poor. Was it really necassary to film this in Dubai? The ending just dragged on. Christine should have escaped and that was that 'til next time.

Good: The Nimon sorry Swarm was a nice idea; mass and speed to bend space. Swapping conversations 'he hung up on me' Malcolm stuff was well written; Lee Evans surprised me.

Elinor
April 12th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Oh...that was a lot of fun! For me, the most enjoyable episode in a while.

Loved Lady wotsit (I'd be happy to see her as the new companion) and Malcolm and all the other characters. It wasn't until reading through this thread that I realised...oh yeah!...there were some daft bits. It was all such a wonderful, gleeful romp though, that I didn't notice at the time!

Loved that bit at the end. 'He will knock four times'. Yippeee!!

:lol:

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2009, 12:27 AM
Narnia, whilst I see the religious allegory in it, is just plain fantasy - so no I don't see an issue with it.
I hated The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, with a passion (no pun intended) ever since I was forced to read it at school, I refused to watch it on TV and at the cinema

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2009, 12:35 AM
So who do people prefer, Magumbo or Mace?
Neither, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart or Brigadier Bambera for me

Empress Vajnraa
April 13th, 2009, 01:53 AM
The desert planet was named Sanghelios? As in the homeworld of the Sangheili from the Halo Universe? (Elites for those of you that don't read the books.)

FYI, Sanghelios means "Blood Star"
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Nero_200
April 13th, 2009, 02:45 AM
im a little dissapointed at this special as it had such as cool title and i was expecting something on the same level if not better than episodes of the series such as the impossible planet or blink, or the whole return of the master saga but what i got was this 1hr of worrying about death coming(flying creatures) but imo it never really felt as though the people on the bus were in any real danger.

now take episodes from the series such as "silence in the library" and "forest of the dead" where there were so many twists and turns and characters were dying one by one and you couldnt predict what would happen next and bottom line those 2 episodes were down right creepy and entertaining.

now planet of the dead was a little to predictable, lacked a little drama and plot twists and felt a little like an average or mediocre episode of the series.

MagnoliaAnaglypta
April 13th, 2009, 03:46 AM
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My BIGGEST gripe, and it's a silly one, is WTF was up with the earpieces? EARpieces? for ALIENS WHO DON'T HAVE EARS?! Or at least not external ones. And certainly not external ones that match the exact contours of a human ear. HA!

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Oh, well spotted! I missed that completely. Now I feel like a total donkey.

I can suspend disbelief about the wormhole creation theory by rationalising that maybe their bodies are structured in such a way to produce funky-wierd electromagnetic fields which can work in some ten dimensional way to create the wormhole - but having two human shaped earpieces sitting waiting to be discovered on a ship created by a race of insects who clearly don't have ears - that's breaking the rules of internal consistency. Bad writer!

I also did think whole opening sequence did stretch credulity a little too much as well - if you're going to have a cracking good opening action sequence you might find a way to do it that doesn't depend on the museum security staff being absolute imbeciles.... Even if it had been a deliberate trap for Lady C which she chose to spring because she was such a daredevil, I would have bought that.

Flyboy
April 13th, 2009, 03:56 AM
Neither, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart or Brigadier Bambera for me
I think it's certainly granted no one can EVER outclass the Brig. But Colonel Mace was a good second. As long as he stays a Colonel, and doesn't try and step into the Brig's shoes, he's fine with me. But Magumbo? Yech. No ta. Not one bit.

Splitsecond
April 13th, 2009, 04:20 AM
The start was so awful, it was the most entertaining part of the show. The story was boring and unoriginal. The intentionally comic parts were disappointing and there was no real peril.

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2009, 04:23 AM
I think it's certainly granted no one can EVER outclass the Brig. But Colonel Mace was a good second. As long as he stays a Colonel, and doesn't try and step into the Brig's shoes, he's fine with me. But Magumbo? Yech. No ta. Not one bit.
And how many years in Colchester would she get for pulling a gun on a civilian?

Flyboy
April 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM
And how many years in Colchester would she get for pulling a gun on a civilian?
I have no idea, but quite a few. For those not following, Colchester is home of the Military Correctional Training Centre - ie, a military prison, amongst other things.

I can hardly imagine Malcolm wouldn't report that act to Col. Mace, and despite the extenuating circumstances, if other UNIT officers have managed to avoid that kind of behaviour, she should be no exception. I doubt the Doctor would have been so smiley with her at the end if he'd have known. Odd thing is, the writers seemed to want us to forget what she'd done...

It would be nice if she gets some sort of justice for her actions, though I doubt she will.

Brig would have been horrified.

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2009, 05:19 AM
I have no idea, but quite a few. For those not following, Colchester is home of the Military Correctional Training Centre - ie, a military prison, amongst other things.

I can hardly imagine Malcolm wouldn't report that act to Col. Mace, and despite the extenuating circumstances, if other UNIT officers have managed to avoid that kind of behaviour, she should be no exception. I doubt the Doctor would have been so smiley with her at the end if he'd have known. Odd thing is, the writers seemed to want us to forget what she'd done...

It would be nice if she gets some sort of justice for her actions, though I doubt she will.

Brig would have been horrified.
Why the hell do the writers want to make UNIT the incompetant bad guy's,

Flyboy
April 13th, 2009, 05:33 AM
Why the hell do the writers want to make UNIT the incompetant bad guy's,
Cause the military is baaaaaaaaaad.

*rolls eyes*

I dunno. For once in the new series I was happy how UNIT themselves were handled, it's just their OC that's rather crappy. The individual troops worked very well imo. But you're right, they can't decide whether they want UNIT to be cool, or ruthless *******s...

SeaBee
April 13th, 2009, 05:59 AM
As somebody who is old enough to remember robot yetis in the london underground and a Doctor in black and white blowing on a recorder, I have to say that, on the whole, this was a pretty good episode. Far closer to the old style Doctor Who adventures that the last few years have consistantly failed to give us, with a few exceptions.

A bunch of innocent victims the Doctor has to save.

Aliens that you think might be the bad guys, but are really in just as much trouble as the rest.

A wormhole.

U.N.I.T.

Mindless planet killing swarm of metal-clad creatures heading for Earth.

And, because there was no Rose, Donna or Martha it didn't have half the show taken up with emo loaded angst about how much they miss their Mum/Dad/Grandad/Boyfriend or how the peril affects their Mum/Dad/ Grandad/Boyfriend or how much they have this deep abiding love for The Doctor.

One little nitpick. After the bus came back did U.N.I.T. fall asleep? How come there was no guard on a bus married to alien technology?

LaCroix
April 13th, 2009, 06:43 AM
I have to say all in all it was a fun episode. I laughed when the Doctor mistakenly called the pizza place. Perhapes a forsehadowing of Torchwood involvement?

UNIT, I'm not military, but they seemed to accquit themselves better then what they did in The Sontaran Stratagem. Magambo was good, but I liked Mace better.

Along with the earpeice mistake, where is it written that the Doctor has to snog, save Donna, a woman?

I can't remember the eact quote, but I did like the references to arresting himself (the Doctor). It brought series one Doctor 9 (CE) and and 10 (DT) full circle to me.

All in all a fun episode.

SaberBlade
April 13th, 2009, 07:45 AM
If they don't bring Lee Evans back I will be greatly disappointed. Hell, they gave him a Welsh accent so he has to show up in Torchwood at least once. I love Lee Evans and seeing him in it just made my day, especially when I greatly enjoyed the character.

I also really enjoyed UNIT in this episode more than others. Magambo was excellent, especially when she went as far as to point a gun at Malcolm for refusing to abandon the Doctor.

Rickington
April 13th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Pretty good episode if I do say so myself.

I found something odd approximately one minute after the title sequence finished (or at exactly 5:05 if from YouTube).

The odd thing from the scene I am mentioning is that there seems to be a person on the upper deck of the bus... but everyone is on the lower deck of the bus. :S Then who is this mystery person?

Gregorius
April 13th, 2009, 09:55 AM
This special was like an average Doctor Who episode, but it was definately better than the last Christmas special. There were a few bits with bad acting, but it still was enjoyable.

What did annoy me were the horrificly bad CGI scenes of the flying bus, the wormhole size (although this could be explained if the center of the wormhole was up 5 miles and down in the tunnel there was only a small part of the wormhole) and the earpieces. Human earpieces on an insectoid ship, that really makes a lot of sense.

Otherwise it was, as I said, enjoyable, although I had hoped that for a season consisting only of specials they'd at least create specials that are on the level of most Doctor Who two and three parters.

I also liked the UNIT new scientist and hope to see more of him, and Christina's backpack was amusing. :p

Zarius
April 13th, 2009, 12:00 PM
I enjoyed this special immensly. It emphasised more on "Nature vs Nature", with no real antagonist (unless you count The Brigadeer pulling the gun on Malcom, but that was only because she wanted to do the right thing and prevent a worldwide threat from using the portal). The passengers on the Bus were there to push forward the need not to give up on what you leave behind if stranded, and Ryan's characters, whilst unberably stitled and seemingly reading lines from "The Doctor's Daughter", at least gave a good performance as the overly smug Christina. Part of me wanted The Doctor to abandon her to the police rather than allow her to escape...it would have been less Disney-like and kept true to the dramatic weight attached to why The Doctor is traveling alone.

I can forgive the dodgy CGI of the bus. The BBC have always been cheap *******s where DW is concerned.:p

Reefgirl
April 13th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Cause the military is baaaaaaaaaad.

*rolls eyes*

I dunno. For once in the new series I was happy how UNIT themselves were handled, it's just their OC that's rather crappy. The individual troops worked very well imo. But you're right, they can't decide whether they want UNIT to be cool, or ruthless *******s...
Basic UNIT squaddies are ok it's just the incredibly bad CO's they've been given recently, Col's Him-From-Dempsey-And-Makepiece and Her-That-Pulled-The-Gun-On-Lee-Evans haven't exactly been Poster Boys and Girls for UNIT.

I'd have forgiven her anything if she had have shot Lee Evan's character, whoever told the man he could act needs a good talking to

Flyboy
April 13th, 2009, 01:08 PM
I enjoyed this special immensly. It emphasised more on "Nature vs Nature", with no real antagonist (unless you count The Brigadeer pulling the gun on Malcom, but that was only because she wanted to do the right thing and prevent a worldwide threat from using the portal). The passengers on the Bus were there to push forward the need not to give up on what you leave behind if stranded, and Ryan's characters, whilst unberably stitled and seemingly reading lines from "The Doctor's Daughter", at least gave a good performance as the overly smug Christina. Part of me wanted The Doctor to abandon her to the police rather than allow her to escape...it would have been less Disney-like and kept true to the dramatic weight attached to why The Doctor is traveling alone.

I can forgive the dodgy CGI of the bus. The BBC have always been cheap *******s where DW is concerned.:p
She wasn't a Brigadier, she was a Captain.

Pitry
April 13th, 2009, 01:46 PM
I really enjoyed it. It was a romp and not as good as the last two specials, and if I had to describe it in one word it would be "forgettable". But these days these thigns say more about the wonderful general quality of Doctor Who than the particular episode. Planet of hte Dead is forgettable simply because it doesn't stand out in complete brilliance.

It was fun, it was funny, it was an adventure, Michelle Ryan was lovely,. the random future-seeing woman was random and only there to throw the coment in the end
The Master! The Master! Wheee! - i hope :D
and the plot was completely bonkers as usual. Malcolm WAS OTT but he's forgive for standing up to Mgamba and the "I love you" bit n the end :D

All in all, squee! Doctor Who! :D

Pitry
April 13th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Random double posting: I don't think Mgamba or UNIT were portrayed as "bad". I think they were specifically portrayed as "not bad". Yes, Mgamba wanted to sacrifice the Doctor, yes, she threatened Malcolm's life in order to achieve it, but she was making a mistake with good intentions. Doctor Who, of any show, is one show that makes sure to take the person's intentions into account - look at the Doctor himself. How many times he ****ed things up/ made them worse because of his good intentions. Like Midnght, that was mentioned in the episode. He refused to kill the creature because of his good inttinos, and in the end it cost another life.

The only time I'd say UNIT were explicity portrayed as "bad" wasn't in Doctor who, it was in Torchwood - that scene with Tosh in Fragments.

Madeleine
April 13th, 2009, 02:08 PM
Like the Captain said, she had the welfare of 6,000,000,000 to think about, not just the seven on the bus. I liked her.

Flyboy
April 13th, 2009, 02:10 PM
Putting a gun to the head of a member of your team is disgraceful behaviour.

Pitry
April 13th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Putting a gun to the head of a member of your team is disgraceful behaviour.

So is disobeying an order while risking the lives of every living person on planet Earth.

Also, I think they both knew it's an empty threat. I mean, seriuosly. If she kills him, who's gonna close the wormhole? Exactly. She didn't know how. She just tried to frighten him enough into doing what seemed to her as the responsible behaviour.

Not the way I'd like my neighbours to act? Sure. Would have felt better if the military didn't act like that? You betcha. Understandable within context? yes.

Flyboy
April 13th, 2009, 03:28 PM
So is disobeying an order while risking the lives of every living person on planet Earth.

Also, I think they both knew it's an empty threat. I mean, seriuosly. If she kills him, who's gonna close the wormhole? Exactly. She didn't know how. She just tried to frighten him enough into doing what seemed to her as the responsible behaviour.

Not the way I'd like my neighbours to act? Sure. Would have felt better if the military didn't act like that? You betcha. Understandable within context? yes.
Agh....

Disobeying orders.... I can't really make any comment on that... only that perhaps he should have lied slightly...

Still, if anyone in my command acted as she did, I'd have her arrested. As for Malcolm. I'd bloody well commend him - in retrospect of course.

Madeleine
April 14th, 2009, 12:28 AM
Putting a gun to the head of a member of your team is disgraceful behaviour.

It's the traditional response to mutiny, I believe. And I'm inclined to make allowances for a woman who knows that her inaction would quite possibly doom six billion souls.

Reefgirl
April 14th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Putting a gun to the head of a member of your team is disgraceful behaviour.


So is disobeying an order while risking the lives of every living person on planet Earth.

Also, I think they both knew it's an empty threat. I mean, seriuosly. If she kills him, who's gonna close the wormhole? Exactly. She didn't know how. She just tried to frighten him enough into doing what seemed to her as the responsible behaviour.

Not the way I'd like my neighbours to act? Sure. Would have felt better if the military didn't act like that? You betcha. Understandable within context? yes.


It's the traditional response to mutiny, I believe. And I'm inclined to make allowances for a woman who knows that her inaction would quite possibly doom six billion souls.

Can I just say, Captain or not, having the responsibility for 6 billion souls on the planet or not, she still cannot demand a civilian to obey her orders, I once got bawled out by the officer of the day for having dirty shoes when I worked at the local army barracks, until it was pointed out to him that I was a civilian (when he stopped yelling long enough for anyone to get a word in) He apologised and sloped off to the back to the Officers Mess

Defiant
April 14th, 2009, 01:11 AM
The whole Doctor Who thing has gone far too politically correct for me now. It's the BBC using it's billions to brainwash the population

Madeleine
April 14th, 2009, 01:36 AM
The whole Doctor Who thing has gone far too politically correct for me now. It's the BBC using it's billions to brainwash the population

It's obviously doing a jolly good job with the brainwashing because I haven't a clue what I've been brainwashed into.

Madeleine
April 14th, 2009, 01:46 AM
Can I just say, Captain or not, having the responsibility for 6 billion souls on the planet or not, she still cannot demand a civilian to obey her orders, I once got bawled out by the officer of the day for having dirty shoes when I worked at the local army barracks, until it was pointed out to him that I was a civilian (when he stopped yelling long enough for anyone to get a word in) He apologised and sloped off to the back to the Officers Mess

I think she can expect a civilian to obey orders. Just not to uphold military standards. There's a world of difference between not polishing your boots, and leaving your planet exposed to all-devouring aliens.

A sergeant or private would have had to do as the captain said, and do it while standing up straight and saying ma'am. A civillian employee could get away with chewing gum, slouching, being mildly facetious or wearing frayed clothes and dirty shoes, all of which would get a soldier reprimanded; but that civillian employee would still have to follow orders, especially in matters of planetary security.

Even if he was not an employee of Unit and just someone who'd popped by, I'd think the commander of the operation a bit wet if she'd just left the six billion to their fate because of a missing signature on a contract.

Gregorius
April 14th, 2009, 02:24 AM
It's obviously doing a jolly good job with the brainwashing because I haven't a clue what I've been brainwashed into.

Well, obviously you've been brainwashed to forward the pink agenda, to think pacificm is the way to go, that brains beat muscles, and that the authorities are stupid, ignorant, greedy and abuse power.


Still, if anyone in my command acted as she did, I'd have her arrested. As for Malcolm. I'd bloody well commend him - in retrospect of course.

You can only commend him because in the end the planet was saved. Had it been slightly different there wouldn't have been a planet and you wouldn't have been able to commend him, because his fanboy crush would've doomed the planet. Imo the captain took the right course of action by putting the lives of the entire planet above the lives of the 7 people in the bus.

On a sidenote: Why didn't the Doctor use the sonic screwdriver and the alien ship and/or bus to create a remote to call the Tardis to that planet? Would've been a lot easier. :p

Defiant
April 14th, 2009, 02:24 AM
It's obviously doing a jolly good job with the brainwashing because I haven't a clue what I've been brainwashed into.

Didn't think you would

Pitry
April 14th, 2009, 03:13 AM
Re: Malcolm: he's not a civilian, she specifically refers to him as soldier before she points her gun at him. Civilian clothes != civilian. Also, evne if he is a civilian... when you're working for the military you're singing up for military disciplines and norms. You can't live with that - don't sign up to work for the military. When I was offered to stay in the military after the period I had to do by law I refused without a second thought even though the pay would have been much better than any civilian job - because I knew I don't want to continue to be a part of that body. So yeah, I became a civilian and don't have to follow their nonsense. If I would have chosen the other way round, I would have had to do as they tell me to.


Well, obviously you've been brainwashed to forward the pink agenda, to think pacificm is the way to go, that brains beat muscles, and that the authorities are stupid, ignorant, greedy and abuse power.

Nah, I'm like that way before I've ever known Doctor Who existed - if any television show brainwashed me into that it's all the MacGyver and Star Trek I was watching when I was 5.

Flyboy
April 14th, 2009, 04:44 AM
Well, obviously you've been brainwashed to forward the pink agenda, to think pacificm is the way to go, that brains beat muscles, and that the authorities are stupid, ignorant, greedy and abuse power.



You can only commend him because in the end the planet was saved. Had it been slightly different there wouldn't have been a planet and you wouldn't have been able to commend him, because his fanboy crush would've doomed the planet. Imo the captain took the right course of action by putting the lives of the entire planet above the lives of the 7 people in the bus.

On a sidenote: Why didn't the Doctor use the sonic screwdriver and the alien ship and/or bus to create a remote to call the Tardis to that planet? Would've been a lot easier. :p
Certainly not brain washed.

I practically *AM* the establishment. Trust me on that. Always have been. (Or so my friends have always told me)

However I do believe in a code of conduct, one which Magumba violated. I can see her reasons, but aside from the fact that I consider it disgraceful behaviour (she should have just ordered to privates to remove Malcolm as he'd already told her what button to press) the decision was a stupid one anyway. Losing the Doctor as an asset is a VERY poor tactical decision.

Crazedwraith
April 14th, 2009, 05:13 AM
Losing the Doctor as an asset is a VERY poor tactical decision.

Actually tactically it was sa very good decision. For losing the doctor and a half a dozen civillians. She ensures the safely of the entire earth from the current threat by closing their link to Earth.

What is, is a very bad strategic decision because if you kill him off The Doctor can't help you when the next big crisis comes around.

Flyboy
April 14th, 2009, 05:17 AM
Actually tactically it was sa very good decision. For losing the doctor and a half a dozen civillians. She ensures the safely of the entire earth from the current threat by closing their link to Earth.

What is, is a very bad strategic decision because if you kill him off The Doctor can't help you when the next big crisis comes around.
*smiles*

I see what you're saying, and I ummd and ahhd about whether to se the term strategic or not. You are correct. However I'd say there's a but.

The reason I chose the use of the term tactical was because Magumbo was making tactical decisions, she's not involved in any type of higher strategy planning. So the decision to cut the doctor off would be a Tactical decision. Only a bad one because of it's strategic implications. Yet I would argue she was not making any sort of strategic decision per se.

So I'd argue we're both right. ;)

Pharaoh Atem
April 14th, 2009, 05:28 AM
The whole Doctor Who thing has gone far too politically correct for me now. It's the BBC using it's billions to brainwash the population

no thats' hulu brainwashing america

Gregorius
April 14th, 2009, 05:51 AM
I practically *AM* the establishment. Trust me on that. Always have been. (Or so my friends have always told me)

Sorry, can't do. Can't trust you on your word.


However I do believe in a code of conduct, one which Magumba violated. I can see her reasons, but aside from the fact that I consider it disgraceful behaviour (she should have just ordered to privates to remove Malcolm as he'd already told her what button to press) the decision was a stupid one anyway. Losing the Doctor as an asset is a VERY poor tactical decision.

Your code of conduct. Her code of conduct, which is probably's UNIT's, is to protect Earth at all costs. If it means threatening/killing a subordinate to accomplish this goal, then so be it. Besides that, her soldiers were standing ready to fire, she couldn't call one or two of them inside to take away the only person on Earth who was available to close the wormhole should the first attempt fail. To call away her soldiers from the stand would've been idiotic as they'd need all the firepower they could get.

Yes, losing the Doctor would've been a great loss but losing Earth would've been a greater one. Afterall, they'd still have the Tardis and they could use it to reverse engineer Time Lord technology.

And speaking about the Tardis, this brings to me another small annoyance. UNIT had the Tardis, why didn't the Doctor ask them to send the Tardis to his current location, he got the name from the insects, and then use the Tardis to get away from the planet? It would've made more sense, it would've been quicker and they could've closed the wormhole the moment the Tardis had arrived to pick the people up.

knowles2
April 14th, 2009, 05:55 AM
It was not strategic mistake, she just knew that what ever she did, the doc would not let some flying metal monster kill him and he would find a way to get back to earth, worm hole, or no worm hole.

Flyboy
April 14th, 2009, 06:00 AM
It was not strategic mistake, she just knew that what ever she did, the doc would not let some flying metal monster kill him and he would find a way to get back to earth, worm hole, or no worm hole.
Well she CAN'T know that, afterall, the Doctor HAS died. Repeatedly.

She also knows she has his transport.

Besides, it would also be a potential bridge burnt.

knowles2
April 14th, 2009, 06:52 AM
Well she CAN'T know that, afterall, the Doctor HAS died. Repeatedly.

She also knows she has his transport.

Besides, it would also be a potential bridge burnt.

Yes but he always come back, she just had faith that he could come back this time, nothing wrong with a bit of faith in the doctor

Crazedwraith
April 14th, 2009, 07:33 AM
I find that slightly implausible. Certianly she'd didn't express that view to Malcolm when he objected. She just said she had to save earth at the cost of the Doctor. She didn't say she expected him to survive regardless.

Zarius
April 14th, 2009, 09:06 AM
The whole Doctor Who thing has gone far too politically correct for me now. It's the BBC using it's billions to brainwash the population

I find it quite amusing that whenever people don't enjoy something, they immediatly think anyone that DID is "brainwashed". The tell-tale signs of a "I'm against the establishment just to be cool" mentality.

DW is no different than it was when it originally aired, it's just lost a habit of spraying blood everywhere.

Flyboy
April 14th, 2009, 09:13 AM
I find it quite amusing that whenever people don't enjoy something, they immediatly think anyone that DID is "brainwashed". The tell-tale signs of a "I'm against the establishment just to be cool" mentality.

DW is no different than it was when it originally aired, it's just lost a habit of spraying blood everywhere.
I agree with your first sentiment, though I disagree with your latter. There ARE differences.

Romance with the Doctor for one. Constant kissing for another. An openly omnisexual character. Less gravel quarries. UNIT themselves are quite different as well, although PotD imo went a long way back to making UNIT more like they used to be. In previous escapades in New Who they were either rather incompitent or a bit prattish. But then Doc 10 seems to be flitting between hating the military (scorning Martha and what not in Poison Sky) and loving the military (reccomending the two guys from the bus to Magumbo) - I just can't work out WHAT they 'want us to believe'.

Madeleine
April 14th, 2009, 09:15 AM
DW is no different than it was when it originally aired, it's just lost a habit of spraying blood everywhere.

In some ways it's very different. For a start, the SFX is no longer something you can replicate because they did it on Blue Peter. And the pacing is totally different.

But in spirit, I agree it's very much the same :) And every now and again you'll come across a line or a shot that could have come straight from classic Who and the sense of nostalgia is just blissful. I swear that when I saw the insectoid claw pointing at the monitor a few days ago, for a second or two I was seven years old again :D

Flyboy
April 14th, 2009, 09:17 AM
In some ways it's very different. For a start, the SFX is no longer something you can replicate because they did it on Blue Peter. And the pacing is totally different.

But in spirit, I agree it's very much the same :) And every now and again you'll come across a line or a shot that could have come straight from classic Who and the sense of nostalgia is just blissful. I swear that when I saw the insectoid claw pointing at the monitor a few days ago, for a second or two I was seven years old again :D
The claw and screen was VERY Classic Who. :D

Madeleine
April 14th, 2009, 09:22 AM
I agree with your first sentiment, though I disagree with your latter.

I disagree with your PoV on how the captain dealt with Malcolm. Evidently at least some of us haven't been brainwashed properly. The BBC should ask for its money back ;)

But I do think that of the 50+ stories we've had of new Who, Planet of the Dead was perhaps closest to the old style of story. Seriously, if I imagine gravel instead of sand and a greyer tone to the sky, re-do the flying trilobites in tinfoil and polystyrene, and picture a bad bluescreen outline to the flying bus, I can very much imagine one of Doctors 4-7 in that same story :)

Flyboy
April 14th, 2009, 09:29 AM
I disagree with your PoV on how the captain dealt with Malcolm. Evidently at least some of us haven't been brainwashed properly. The BBC should ask for its money back ;)

But I do think that of the 50+ stories we've had of new Who, Planet of the Dead was perhaps closest to the old style of story. Seriously, if I imagine gravel instead of sand and a greyer tone to the sky, re-do the flying trilobites in tinfoil and polystyrene, and picture a bad bluescreen outline to the flying bus, I can very much imagine one of Doctors 4-7 in that same story :)
Lol.

Well - my opinion about Magumbo is entirely personal. I can see her reasoning, but it's one that I don't agree with, and one I personally would never take.

And you're quite right, maybe that's another reason I loved PotD so much. Everything about it was classic Who in the new era. Even the alien spacecraft. Aswell as a companion who was just that - a companion. Not an obvious love interest, or sporting very obvious romantic feelings...

Reefgirl
April 14th, 2009, 01:01 PM
Lol.

Well - my opinion about Magumbo is entirely personal. I can see her reasoning, but it's one that I don't agree with, and one I personally would never take.

And you're quite right, maybe that's another reason I loved PotD so much. Everything about it was classic Who in the new era. Even the alien spacecraft. Aswell as a companion who was just that - a companion. Not an obvious love interest, or sporting very obvious romantic feelings...
My opinion of Magumbo is personal too, having spent at least half of my working life in military barracks

nx01a
April 16th, 2009, 12:35 PM
I like!

The Good:
>The Doctor being back at the Crucifixion and Resurrection. :)
>Jamie Summers was so much better in this. She and the Doctor made a good pair, especially her seemingly bottomless bag of tricks.
>KNOCK 4 TIMES!!!! YES!!!! I had a fanboy moment when she said that. :o :D
>I liked the metal mantas.
>I KNEW those clamps were anti-gravity!
>The UNIT commander was definitely the same woman who sent Our Time Lady Donna to her death to save the world.
>"I love you!" :D He spoke for every Who fan.

The Bad:
>Another badly made-up alien race... wearing jumpsuits... with zippers.. tapping a video screen ominously a la Empress of the Racnoss.
>"The other side of the universe..." Seriously? Can't we just be somewhere in the Pegasus or Scorpion galaxy or somewhere similarly random? The whole other side of the universe has been played out.
>Can't the Doctor track these anomalies in the TARDIS... which is safer?!
>The metal mantas fly around the world and manipulate space/time? A bit Superman I much?
>The flying bus CGI was so fake.
>Despite having a human who seemed proficient in using advanced technology, he fails at the last minute and requires the Doctor to help him save the planet. WTF?! What was the point of setting him up like that only to cut him down at the last instant? That we oh so NEED the Doctor to save us constantly?
>'The Waters of Mars'... Seriously? Guys wearing long sleeved shirts with high pressure water hoses obviously inserted? It looked cheesy. And the title sounds cheesy. It doesn't look like a suspenseful horror involving water, like that Torchwood episode with the fairies; the previews look cheap.

The Verdict:
>I enjoyed it greatly, far more than the last X-Mas special which I'll probably never watch again. I fear the next special will rank alongside 'The Next Doctor'. :( On a much brighter/darker note... HE IS RETURNING FROM THE DARKNESS AND KNOCKING 4 TIMES!!!!

Crazedwraith
April 16th, 2009, 02:38 PM
You know it maybe that one of my last uni modules was 'life in the universe' but I quite like the sound and concept of 'The Waters of Mars'

Early earth space exploration and terraforming that runs into terrible danger (TM) What's not to love?

Reefgirl
April 17th, 2009, 12:43 AM
>'The Waters of Mars'... Seriously? Guys wearing long sleeved shirts with high pressure water hoses obviously inserted? It looked cheesy. And the title sounds cheesy. It doesn't look like a suspenseful horror involving water, like that Torchwood episode with the fairies; the previews look cheap.
If you think that's cheesy and cheap you should take a look at the rubber monster suits, cardboard sets and Dorset Quarry of Classic Who. It's part of Dr Who's charm for us Brits

Gregorius
April 17th, 2009, 01:51 AM
If you think that's cheesy and cheap you should take a look at the rubber monster suits, cardboard sets and Dorset Quarry of Classic Who. It's part of Dr Who's charm for us Brits

And it looks so much better than all the CGI US shows add. :D

nx01a
April 17th, 2009, 12:31 PM
I love the campy cheese of classic Who [especially the 4th Doctor/Sarah Jane adventures]. It's today where they can do better but seemingly resort to men holding garden hoses that leaves me a bit... blah.

Ian-S
April 17th, 2009, 05:40 PM
I think people often forget Doctor Who is aimed at teenagers (well 10+) and that perfect HD CGI, Bafta award winning Alien makeup or super original stories isn't the highest priority.

Scaring the crap outa some mouthy 10 year old chav so much so that they hide behind the sofa is :)

Reefgirl
April 18th, 2009, 01:09 AM
And it looks so much better than all the CGI US shows add. :D
Indeed



I think people often forget Doctor Who is aimed at teenagers (well 10+) and that perfect HD CGI, Bafta award winning Alien makeup or super original stories isn't the highest priority.

Scaring the crap outa some mouthy 10 year old chav so much so that they hide behind the sofa is :)
hear hear

Zarius
April 19th, 2009, 06:14 AM
If you're looking to punch holes in the trailer, you'll find it, but it's hypocritical to call it cheap.

Coco Pops
April 19th, 2009, 06:54 AM
I thought it was good



He's returning through the dark (Davros)

He will knock for times (the masters drum beat)

one of the 2.


Did Davros really predict the Master coming back?

I thought that was the insane Dalek Caan

Coco Pops
April 19th, 2009, 06:11 PM
does anyone have any nice pictures of Michelle Ryan from this episode?

Ian-S
April 21st, 2009, 05:08 PM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4966/doctorwho.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4966/doctorwho.jpg)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4083/doctorwho2.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4083/doctorwho2.jpg)

and there is a really good one according to google cache here but I can't connect to the site: http://www.qfan.cz/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/michelle-ryan-4.jpg

Coco Pops
April 21st, 2009, 05:24 PM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4966/doctorwho.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4966/doctorwho.jpg)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4083/doctorwho2.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4083/doctorwho2.jpg)

and there is a really good one according to google cache here but I can't connect to the site: http://www.qfan.cz/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/michelle-ryan-4.jpg



Cool pics.....2nd one reminds me of a running Martha... DT has a reputation with the ladies wonder if he got lucky witn Michelle

knowles2
April 23rd, 2009, 12:17 PM
I think people often forget Doctor Who is aimed at teenagers (well 10+) and that perfect HD CGI, Bafta award winning Alien makeup or super original stories isn't the highest priority.

Scaring the crap outa some mouthy 10 year old chav so much so that they hide behind the sofa is :)

Well I know what my highest piority was when I was teenager, and doctor who does not provide it.
My second piority as a teenanger was big explosions and good special effects. And why doctor who sometime does it as good BSG and stargate, the devil in that undergound cave for example which was almost feature film quality and even the metal stingrays and the space ship in dead panet was descent, they then almost randomly chuck in some of the worst cgi I have scene in the form of the cgi bus.
Surly they could of just hired a crain for a few hours, probably would of looked better and been cheaper to do.

Doctor who is aim at the entire family but most episodes aim at young kids, 5-10, where they earn shread loads of cash from toy sales.

RDAfan61
April 26th, 2009, 07:17 AM
Finally got to see this last night. I really enjoyed it. I liked Michelle Ryan's character and I wonder if people who didn't had their opinion affected by the Bionic Woman show she was in where she did not shine I understand (never saw it so not affected by it).

I agree with the plot holes like the ear pieces, even I was kinda like Wuh? :p Now that someone mentioned it, I did remember seeing something that looked like a person on the upper deck of the bus.

I thought the Captain was reacting Ok to trying to save the planet as opposed to the few on the bus.

I liked the fly guys and after watching the Confidential agree with RTD that it probably would have been a bit to deal with if they had lived.

I liked that practically everyone except the driver of the bus made it back basically unharmed for once.

Nice angsty bit with the Doctor there at the end.

Does this bit need tags? Does anyone really not know anymore what's going to happen? LOL

Not sure how i feel about the Master coming back if that warning does in fact mean that which I am sure it probably does.. Hope the end of Ten will be done well. <SIGH> Not looking forward to that. :(

nx01a
April 27th, 2009, 02:21 PM
To me, they were 'fly girls'. :D 90s joke. Sorry. :o
The Doctor has a TARDIS. He could have taken them back to their planet.
Only 3 deaths. A bit light. :D

Boaddicea
May 7th, 2009, 12:18 PM
This episode's a lot of fun. Unfortunately it's gonna get darker after this.
I loved the character interplay between the Doctor and Christina. I especially liked that she was in the burglary-bit for the excitement.
I think they'd have made a great team, but . . .
All of the standards for the show were great. the script, acting, sfx and sound were terrific.
I'd like to see the rest of DTs time done like this, and then carried into Matt Smith's time.
:sam:

gateship15
May 31st, 2009, 06:20 AM
i liked this episode i just watched it tonight (because thats when it came on in australia) and i enjoyed it i loves the whole bus going to a different planet

10/10

Coco Pops
May 31st, 2009, 07:50 AM
It was pretty good...... And Michelle Ryan did better then I had expected for acting her role. She was actually pretty good.

The aliens were good.The metal flying things were good.....

The CGI in the flying bus however not good. You could see it was so fakey fake.... Perhaps had they not blown the budget flying to Dubai they could have spent a bit on decent effects. Everything was totally excellent up until the flying bus started.


Still I rate the episode 7/10

I hope all these specials will come as a set on DVD.

I also wish the bloody ABC in Australia would air these specials when they air in the UK or close to that instead of ages and ages afterwards. They truly suck

gateship15
June 1st, 2009, 02:47 AM
I hope all these specials will come as a set on DVD.

I also wish the bloody ABC in Australia would air these specials when they air in the UK or close to that instead of ages and ages afterwards. They truly suck

i hope they come on to dvd to and i agree would air when they do in the uk i hate waiting for so long to see them

Angela V
June 28th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Coming to SPACE (Canadian station) Saturday July 25th at 9pm EST. Though the week starts off with series 3 of Torchwood from Mon-Fri. So good week for Canadian fans of Torchwood and Doctor Who who have SPACE.:weiranime17:

TryWhistlingThis
July 8th, 2009, 12:25 AM
This episode's a lot of fun. Unfortunately it's gonna get darker after this.

Unfortunately? I have to disagree, I love the darker Doctor Who episodes ahead of the lighter ones. No doubt there have been some fun light hearted episodes, but I prefer the Doctor Who that has a more serious, etherial sort of tone. Like Blink or the Family of Blood 2 parter. The action driven ones are fun too.

That's not to say I want it to follow the trend of Battlestar Galactica, far from it. But I don't want the show to fall into an entirely kiddie friendly show either, that's why we have the Sarah Jane Adventures.

gateship15
July 8th, 2009, 06:02 AM
i agree with u i like darker epiosdes but i also like some lighter ones to

Coco Pops
July 8th, 2009, 08:57 PM
Unfortunately? I have to disagree, I love the darker Doctor Who episodes ahead of the lighter ones. No doubt there have been some fun light hearted episodes, but I prefer the Doctor Who that has a more serious, etherial sort of tone. Like Blink or the Family of Blood 2 parter. The action driven ones are fun too.

That's not to say I want it to follow the trend of Battlestar Galactica, far from it. But I don't want the show to fall into an entirely kiddie friendly show either, that's why we have the Sarah Jane Adventures.




Sarah jane is pretty damn gorgeous for her age......

Does Mr Smith still have that stupid fanfare when they call him?

gateship15
July 9th, 2009, 12:06 AM
is the Sarah Jane Adventures good i haven't seen it and am thinking of getting it.

TryWhistlingThis
July 9th, 2009, 12:42 AM
Never watched Sarah Jane. I saw about 5 or 10 minutes of an episode, it's not as "childish" as I expected it to be, but it definitely doesn't seem to have the drama or "heaviness" that Doctor Who seems to have on some occassions. Imagine Doctor Who as a live action Disney production, it kind of goes along those lines.

Dr. Harry Sullivan
July 23rd, 2009, 07:36 PM
Doctor Who: Planet of the Dead on BBC America - photos and mini Q & A's with David Tennant and Michelle Ryan. Spoilers!!! See link below :)

http://scifiandtvtalk.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/doctor-who-planet-of-the-dead-on-bbc-america/

gateship15
July 23rd, 2009, 10:57 PM
Never watched Sarah Jane. I saw about 5 or 10 minutes of an episode, it's not as "childish" as I expected it to be, but it definitely doesn't seem to have the drama or "heaviness" that Doctor Who seems to have on some occassions. Imagine Doctor Who as a live action Disney production, it kind of goes along those lines.

oo ok thank u i might watch a episode first before i get it just to see if i like it first :).

i really liked this episode even tho it felt like forever before i got to see it

Zarius
July 27th, 2009, 10:56 PM
This episode's a lot of fun. Unfortunately it's gonna get darker after this.

What is so "unfortunate" about that?


I'd like to see the rest of DTs time done like this, and then carried into Matt Smith's time.

Safe television? Give me a break...

You mght as well watch Power Rangers

Zarius
July 27th, 2009, 10:57 PM
Never watched Sarah Jane. I saw about 5 or 10 minutes of an episode, it's not as "childish" as I expected it to be, but it definitely doesn't seem to have the drama or "heaviness" that Doctor Who seems to have on some occassions. Imagine Doctor Who as a live action Disney production, it kind of goes along those lines.

You're basing this simply on watching ten minutes? What a ridiculous notion. SJA is pretty much on the same level as DW. If yoiu'd actually watched it, you'd know this.

gateship15
July 28th, 2009, 06:40 PM
okay maybe i should give it a try and see how it goes

Coco Pops
July 28th, 2009, 07:52 PM
Will all of these specials be available as a set

gateship15
July 30th, 2009, 06:46 PM
i wander because i want them for my collection if there not i will be very upset because i will have to get them one by one and like that they are not cheap

Angela V
August 2nd, 2009, 08:48 PM
I loved it and I enjoyed Michelle Ryan in DW. I have her Bionic Woman series on DVD. Yes it has issues but it could've been a better series if not cut so short. Though I wish they'd let her keep the accent for BW. I have Jekyll to watch still so I guess I'm becoming a Michelle Ryan fan. :D

Coco Pops
August 2nd, 2009, 08:57 PM
I loved it and I enjoyed Michelle Ryan in DW. I have her Bionic Woman series on DVD. Yes it has issues but it could've been a better series if not cut so short. Though I wish they'd let her keep the accent for BW. I have Jekyll to watch still so I guess I'm becoming a Michelle Ryan fan. :D


I liked BW too but they really yanked that show to bits and then cut it off at 9 episodes....What a total waste?

And yeah would have loved the show more had they kept her proper voice in the show. The bit that dragged that down for me was how it was too much like a bionic version of Glmore Girls with her and her sister. I wanted that brat knocked off.

She was brilliant in Planet Of The Dead.

As for Jecyll I didn't get some of that. Why capture the children like that? Those people reminded me of Torchwood. They'd certainly have fitted in well with Torchwood.

Angela V
August 13th, 2009, 11:24 PM
So I finally get around to watch some Merlin and realise Michelle Ryan is in that too. My son is going to be one happy camper.

sparklegem
December 20th, 2009, 02:17 PM
I watched the hour confidential for this episode, and they talk about how the production shipped overseas a double-decker bus to Dubai to film this episode. With the expense of shipping halfway across the world, insurance, etc, I would think it would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a decent replica of a double-decker in Dubai. I wonder why they didn't do that.

gateship15
December 24th, 2009, 12:31 AM
i really like this episode

loke13
January 17th, 2010, 12:28 PM
I loved Michelle she was brilliant she worked really well with the doctor I hpe they bring er back to be a companion for Matt Smith.

Coco Pops
January 17th, 2010, 03:39 PM
I loved Michelle she was brilliant she worked really well with the doctor I hpe they bring er back to be a companion for Matt Smith.

I too watched this again and I have to change my mind about Michelle Ryan. She wasn't as bad as I had first thought. Certainly she did way better then her other TV role as the Bionic Woman. Now that show really sucked.

But in DW she was great.

P-90_177
January 18th, 2010, 09:40 AM
I think cos that would have taken alot more time than they had in the end. Besides either way whether it's a double decker bus or not, to ship something that big then it will cost alot. even if it's in pieces and can assemble on the other end. In the end the biggest problem with the double decker bus was that it was destroyed in transit.....

gateship15
January 18th, 2010, 09:44 PM
i watched it again when it was repeated on abc2 and i still enjoyed it. the doctor and Michelle Ryan's character worked well together so did the actors i hope the do bring her back again in the future

sparklegem
January 24th, 2010, 09:28 PM
I think cos that would have taken alot more time than they had in the end. Besides either way whether it's a double decker bus or not, to ship something that big then it will cost alot. even if it's in pieces and can assemble on the other end. In the end the biggest problem with the double decker bus was that it was destroyed in transit.....

True. I wasn't really thinking that they would have to ship stuff either way, but they probably didn't have the resources to build it from scratch in Dubai. It was just terrible luck that it was damaged. Who would have guessed? Thanks for the reply!

Jacquelyn
November 17th, 2010, 06:52 AM
I actually really loved this :D
Michelle Ryan was great! I would love if she came back.

I mean even though she "was" a thief doesn't mean she couldn't change her ways.
Why didn't the Doctor let her come with him? :(

Ulkesh47
November 17th, 2010, 12:19 PM
Why didn't the Doctor let her come with him? :(
The excuse he gave is that he travels alone at this point.

It makes sense with his development into a dark and solitary figure, completed in "The Waters of Mars".

Coco Pops
November 17th, 2010, 03:53 PM
The excuse he gave is that he travels alone at this point.

It makes sense with his development into a dark and solitary figure, completed in "The Waters of Mars".

Yeah I hope she comes back too. She's fun..... Her character was fun too.. She would have made a great companion.

Dusk
April 6th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Just caught this again, on Bluray... wow it's bad. Kind of one of the reasons I'm not so upset that RTD is no longer in charge of the show.

My favourite from the 2009 Specials was definitely "Waters of Mars" - though with certain negatives itself, at least it chiefly entertains and seeks to frighten. This was like a DW mardi gras float. I'll shelve this one with such disasters as "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks" and "Voyage of the Damned"... [shudder]

Cold Fuzz
April 7th, 2011, 01:12 AM
Just caught this again, on Bluray... wow it's bad. Kind of one of the reasons I'm not so upset that RTD is no longer in charge of the show.

My favourite from the 2009 Specials was definitely "Waters of Mars" - though with certain negatives itself, at least it chiefly entertains and seeks to frighten. This was like a DW mardi gras float. I'll shelve this one with such disasters as "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks" and "Voyage of the Damned"... [shudder]

Though there aren't any Doctor Who stories I flat-out dislike other than Love & Monsters (I think there's a near universal dislike for that episode :P), Planet of the Dead comes close. I mean I don't dislike the story but something about DeSouza just doesn't click with me. I think part of it is her being a thief (that's not something I'm going to get past being in law enforcement) but there's something else about her that I'm not too sure about. *shrugs* I'll definitely watch this story if it's on BBC but it's definitely not an episode I'll go out of my way to watch.

Coco Pops
April 7th, 2011, 01:47 AM
For me Voyage Of The Damned is a bad episode........ Just so much to not like there.

maneth
May 10th, 2013, 10:21 AM
I'm not very critical when it comes to DW and the tenth Doctor is really growing on me. This episode was interesting, even if not on a par with my favorites.

Coco Pops
May 10th, 2013, 05:25 PM
Planet of the dead was fantastic fun.

I just wish Christina had become a companion.

maneth
May 10th, 2013, 08:52 PM
Yeah, me too. The Doctor's gone through these episodes of not wanting a companion at times. I hated the way Martha got short shrift after he lost Rose, for example. That was a big part of my antipathy towards the 10th Doctor in the beginning. Of course, I know already that the Doctor will have a companion again, even if not the 10th.