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GateWorld
March 25th, 2009, 08:01 PM
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Daniel Faraday returns to the island with a plan to save everyone from the future they know. But his arrival heralds the end of his friends' quiet life with Dharma.

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Amalthea
April 29th, 2009, 08:38 PM
Oh-My-Goodness!!

What happened, happened, man! That was a freaking wild episode. It was nice they confirmed a lot of people's suspicions about some of our favourite characters, but holy crow, I did not see that ending coming! Poor Ellie!

Must watch again at midnight EST to get all the details because people around me would not be quiet!!

alaskannut
April 30th, 2009, 02:13 AM
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'Nuff said:D

Skydiver
April 30th, 2009, 05:20 AM
so...i thought that they couldn't change the past. but now they can?

i could swear that someone said that the past has to play out the way it happened the first time and it can't be changed. but now their mission is to stop the future from playing out as it did the first time

Shan Bruce Lee
April 30th, 2009, 06:32 AM
so...i thought that they couldn't change the past. but now they can?

i could swear that someone said that the past has to play out the way it happened the first time and it can't be changed. but now their mission is to stop the future from playing out as it did the first time

That's what Daniel was trying to do, but by trying to change things he walked right into the situation his mom and dad (Charles Widmore, apparently) knew was gonna happen.

Amalthea
April 30th, 2009, 08:27 AM
That's what Daniel was trying to do, but by trying to change things he walked right into the situation his mom and dad (Charles Widmore, apparently) knew was gonna happen.

Agreed. Daniel somehow got the idea into his head at Ann Arbor that he could change the past but he was destined to get that idea, go back to the Island and then get shot by his mom. I'd like to know why he changed his mind, but anyway, he definitely didn't change the past since she knew it would happen because it already happened. That must have been awful for her all those years.

retiredat44
April 30th, 2009, 11:04 AM
next time drug their drinks ;)

Oh-My-Goodness!!

What happened, happened, man! That was a freaking wild episode. It was nice they confirmed a lot of people's suspicions about some of our favourite characters, but holy crow, I did not see that ending coming! Poor Ellie!

Must watch again at midnight EST to get all the details because people around me would not be quiet!!

LoneStar1836
April 30th, 2009, 11:06 AM
Daniel. :(:(

I figured he would die trying to stop the "Incident" and thus fail to stop it, but I certainly didn't see this twist...that his own mother would be the one to kill him...and that she sent him to the island knowing she would be the one to kill him. :S



Future speculation not based on any spoilers....

I still think something in the past will be changed to prevent the future...or that's the speculation I'm going with. And I think it will all hinge on Desmond pushing the button. Something will change and on that day Desmond is destined not to push the button resulting in Flight 315 crashing, he WILL push it, thus time loop adverted and Desmond is destined to push the button and never leave the island. :( Desmond is getting too much of a happy ending and I don't think it will end all that well for him by the time this is over.

warmbeachbrat
April 30th, 2009, 02:56 PM
I'm not one to avoid spoilers--in fact, I actively seek them out--but I wish I hadn't read this particular one before I saw the episode....:(

majorsal
April 30th, 2009, 04:08 PM
that was quite an emotional episode.

(((daniel))) :(

i don't understand why daniel's mom 'wanted' the past to play out the same way? wouldn't she want to do anything possible to stop it? maybe that's why she sent him back... no, she didn't prepare him for this.

again, *why* would this need to play out this way? i can only think because she knows farther into the future of something great that's going to happen, because i haven't seen anything that good happening in the past/now.

thoughs?

Amalthea
April 30th, 2009, 06:09 PM
that was quite an emotional episode.

(((daniel))) :(

i don't understand why daniel's mom 'wanted' the past to play out the same way? wouldn't she want to do anything possible to stop it? maybe that's why she sent him back... no, she didn't prepare him for this.

again, *why* would this need to play out this way? i can only think because she knows farther into the future of something great that's going to happen, because i haven't seen anything that good happening in the past/now.

thoughs?

I think she knew that things could not be changed, so she had to allow things to play out this way. I think the information that Daniel brought back had to get into Jack's hands in order for her history to play out as it did. Whatever Jack et al are about to do is necessary and will heppen as a direct consequence of the knowledge of the journal.

entil2001
April 30th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Review: Lost 5.14: "The Variable" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-14.html)

Overall, this was another dense but thrilling step towards the season finale, and events are spinning out of control. The character focus is particularly compelling, and while the episode is a bit short on major revelations, it makes up for it in major implications.

Platschu
April 30th, 2009, 10:48 PM
I hope Eloise will suffer as long as possible... Dan could have deserved better parents. :(

PengYn
May 1st, 2009, 04:24 AM
Dumb Struck. What a way to die.


so...i thought that they couldn't change the past. but now they can?

i could swear that someone said that the past has to play out the way it happened the first time and it can't be changed. but now their mission is to stop the future from playing out as it did the first time

Here are my musings based on reading past Darlton interviews and from watching last nights episode. The Past cannot be changed, and whatever happened, happened is their mantra. However, according to Daniel (*sob*) your choices in your present shape your future - hence the variable. Sawyer, Jack, Juliet, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sayid and Miles are all living in *their* present regardless of the fact it's 1977. So their choices now could well alter events. It's not so much about changing the past (although it might look that way if you're on the beach with Locke in 2008), now it's about changing the future.

And seriously, am I the only one who does *not* want Jack to succeed in changing events? If Oceanic 815 does not crash then Kate goes to prison; Claire gives Aaron up for adoption; Sun and Jin's marriage never heals; Sawyer stays the con man he was instead of becoming the leader he is now; Locke remains paralysed; Charlie probably would have died an addict rather than a hero; Rose would die of cancer; Juliet would still get recruited and be living under Ben's thumb; although Ben would eventually die of his spinal tumour; and Jack wasn't exactly doing so well before the crash either. So many of the Lost characters are better because of the Island. If there's a big fat reset button sitting at the end of this series I will be really mad. People were angry when they re-set just one season of Dallas to bring Bobby Ewing back. This would be re-setting six! I'd wonder what the point was. So yeah, plz Jack, don't be succeeding k? thx bai.

knowles2
May 1st, 2009, 06:11 AM
I Think the future does change but only in so far that desmond vision of them getting off the island in a rescue helicopter an that the events of the last 3 years from oceanic 6 an Sawyer and the other plane crash will all be undone.


But Widmore being Daniel father was a surprise to me. And daniel is not necessarily dead either there always the temple to heal him.

Platschu
May 1st, 2009, 08:54 AM
But Widmore being Daniel father was a surprise to me. And daniel is not necessarily dead either there always the temple to heal him.
Eloise spoke about her great sacrifice, so I am sure Dan is dead. She didn't say to Widmore "I had to send him there, where I will hurt him, but we will save it." :(

I believe Daniel's theory is wrong. They can't change past and I hope the creators won't delete the timeline of earlier seasons. ;)

knowles2
May 1st, 2009, 09:43 AM
Eloise spoke about her great sacrifice, so I am sure Dan is dead. She didn't say to Widmore "I had to send him there, where I will hurt him, but we will save it." :(

I believe Daniel's theory is wrong. They can't change past and I hope the creators won't delete the timeline of earlier seasons. ;)

See she said hurt him, not kill him. Subtle difference, best never to get confuse when working with the mafia. But I am guesting it is the island and stop him from using the bomb.

And the creators playing with time of cause they going to delete someone or some event from the timeline, it not a matter of if, it a matter of when.

PengYn
May 1st, 2009, 10:00 AM
I think Daniel is dead. At least, he looked pretty dead at the end of the episode. The Lost writers are creative which is why I think the Temple won't factor in saving him. They just used it to save a mortally wounded young Ben, and they've already said it will have consequences. They wouldn't use the same plot device twice in such a short space of time. I think Daniel is dead, simply because it's such an epic way to die.

LoneStar1836
May 1st, 2009, 11:43 AM
I'm not one to avoid spoilers--in fact, I actively seek them out--but I wish I hadn't read this particular one before I saw the episode....:(Well that really sucks.

I thought Daniel was really stupid for going into the camp with a gun, but didn't really think they would kill him yet.

And I do think Dan is dead. No island resurrection for him otherwise it wastes the impact of that moment.


Here are my musings based on reading past Darlton interviews and from watching last nights episode. The Past cannot be changed, and whatever happened, happened is their mantra. However, according to Daniel (*sob*) your choices in your present shape your future - hence the variable. Sawyer, Jack, Juliet, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sayid and Miles are all living in *their* present regardless of the fact it's 1977. So their choices now could well alter events. It's not so much about changing the past (although it might look that way if you're on the beach with Locke in 2008), now it's about changing the future.But their present is also the past in theory. So changing their present, still changes the island's past. :S

So either they are destined to repeat the past (in their present) or they do actually change something from the previous past and rewrite island history which in effect alters the timeline in the future.

We would never know if anything has changed unless the writers show it using a familiar event from the three/four previous seasons of LOST.

The show is to address the "Incident" in the reamaning eps but I don't see anything changing from what we already know happened considering it is a major event on the island and would more than likely be too big of a timeline changing event.

This season has just been an exploration of the island's past.




And seriously, am I the only one who does *not* want Jack to succeed in changing events? If Oceanic 815 does not crash then Kate goes to prison; Claire gives Aaron up for adoption; Sun and Jin's marriage never heals; Sawyer stays the con man he was instead of becoming the leader he is now; Locke remains paralysed; Charlie probably would have died an addict rather than a hero; Rose would die of cancer; Juliet would still get recruited and be living under Ben's thumb; although Ben would eventually die of his spinal tumour; and Jack wasn't exactly doing so well before the crash either. So many of the Lost characters are better because of the Island. If there's a big fat reset button sitting at the end of this series I will be really mad. People were angry when they re-set just one season of Dallas to bring Bobby Ewing back. This would be re-setting six! I'd wonder what the point was. So yeah, plz Jack, don't be succeeding k? thx bai.Well I don't particularly want a reset either but at the moment I'm not seeing a lot of other options.

- The reset button is hit pissing off a lot of people. I think there will more than likely be some resetting of something.

- Nothing is changed in the past and Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc of whoever survives live out the rest of their lives in the past going to the present and there are two of themselves on the planet. (they warn their future selves to never go to Australia. lol! :D thus tossing this into the reset bin....) Not particularly seeing this happen...ever.

- They find a way back to the "present" timeline that they left from when they jumped back to the past...somebody "moves" the island again to get them back to the present. The most probably I'd say but then it would be the thing that people are most expecting I would think which makes me wonder if tptb will go with the obvious ending (Hmmm...or maybe the reset is the obvious ending...:S) Anyway, those that survive either remain on the island or find a way off. Heh, they remain and become the island's new set of "Others". The END. :P:D

Shan Bruce Lee
May 1st, 2009, 01:09 PM
I've probably said it 100 times all over the internets, but I firmly believe that whatever happened, happened. I think Daniel deciding to change the future is what happened, and the fact that it gives Jack the bright idea to try and change things will lead to the incident at the Swan and it'll happen that way because it always happened that way.

I keep remembering Daniel earlier in the season saying even if you tried to change the past, the timeline would correct itself. Nothing they do will change the fact that flight 815 crashed on the island in 2004.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
May 1st, 2009, 03:41 PM
None of you have taken into consideration that things may have ALREADY changed. I keep thinking of how Locke was trying to convince Jack at the end of last season how he wasnt supposed to leave. Maybe the way things played out in another present, the 6 never left and whoever was supposed to win this 'future war' wouldve won but now, Jack messed it all up. I think Desmond, being special in his own way, is like a bridge to the past. In a sense, he is the only one who can change things and simply by having him around, it would be possible to cause different future events. In conclusion IF the Swan blows up and IF Desmond never needs to the push the button, i think 815 will still crash, just not on the island. Everyone will die except those whove been traveling through time all season and they will have to tell the exact same story as at the end of last season. They will have to lie once again.

Eh im probably way off. But i was right about getting to see the 'incident'!

the fifth man
May 3rd, 2009, 06:48 PM
I hope Eloise will suffer as long as possible... Dan could have deserved better parents. :(

Yeah, he deserved much better parents. I don't know how they could live with themselves, making that kind of decision about their son. Knowing that Eloise, Daniel's own mother, would end up being the one who kills him in the past.

Overall, a very good episode. I can't wait until this Wednesday night.:)

Alan Wake
May 5th, 2009, 09:22 PM
She knows the final outcome of events on the island. She's also had years to think about. Sure she could try, and not send her son to the island... but I believe since she knows the outcome of events, she had to let it happen or something much worse could come from it.

Maybe when we see the final in a few weeks, we'll all look back on his death, and be it sad, say it was for the good of everyone else.

I would like to know what he was doing off the island for those 3 years though.

Shan Bruce Lee
May 6th, 2009, 05:32 PM
She knows the final outcome of events on the island. She's also had years to think about. Sure she could try, and not send her son to the island... but I believe since she knows the outcome of events, she had to let it happen or something much worse could come from it.

Maybe when we see the final in a few weeks, we'll all look back on his death, and be it sad, say it was for the good of everyone else.

I would like to know what he was doing off the island for those 3 years though.

setting up that secret organization that grabbed Miles off the street :)

Alan Wake
May 6th, 2009, 06:27 PM
setting up that secret organization that grabbed Miles off the street :)

Really? Is that true? If it is, I missed something.

Shan Bruce Lee
May 6th, 2009, 09:34 PM
Really? Is that true? If it is, I missed something.

lol no it's just me speculating.

knowles2
May 6th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Really? Is that true? If it is, I missed something.

Speculation by fans that they are part of an organisation set up by someone to help Jack oceanic six get off the island. An are separate from every one else we have seen so far.

I am on the side it was one of the oceanic lot or Faraday that set them up. It how they act more than anything, they sounded like everyone was against them and even knowing that they were still going to win. That what I got from the 30 or so words we have heard from them.
There only three people on that island arrogant enough to program that kind believe into a organisation, , Jack, Sawyer, Ben and we all know which side ben is on, his own. So I believe it Jack or Sawyer or possible Syid that set it up. Infact syid would make the most sense as he would have the knowledge to set up such an organisation. But then Sawyer would have skill to gain the money needed.
Of cause this only makes sense if Miles get off the island and back to the future before the rest of the gang. Because I am presuming they were meant to kidnapped him after he escaped the island the second time.
Thinking of the overall picture Faraday also makes sense but only if he somehow got the knowledge of what under the statue and with everyone thinking he dead there know way he could know what under the statue to tell the other member of his organisation. Unless a second member of his gange has been place on the island by him already.

unluckynumber11
May 12th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Speculation by fans that they are part of an organisation set up by someone to help Jack oceanic six get off the island. An are separate from every one else we have seen so far.

I am on the side it was one of the oceanic lot or Faraday that set them up. It how they act more than anything, they sounded like everyone was against them and even knowing that they were still going to win. That what I got from the 30 or so words we have heard from them.
There only three people on that island arrogant enough to program that kind believe into a organisation, , Jack, Sawyer, Ben and we all know which side ben is on, his own. So I believe it Jack or Sawyer or possible Syid that set it up. Infact syid would make the most sense as he would have the knowledge to set up such an organisation. But then Sawyer would have skill to gain the money needed.
Of cause this only makes sense if Miles get off the island and back to the future before the rest of the gang. Because I am presuming they were meant to kidnapped him after he escaped the island the second time.
Thinking of the overall picture Faraday also makes sense but only if he somehow got the knowledge of what under the statue and with everyone thinking he dead there know way he could know what under the statue to tell the other member of his organisation. Unless a second member of his gange has been place on the island by him already.

I think that it's the new Dharma Initiative, since they already know of the island and what it can do, and htey knew what to expect once they got there.

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 06:04 AM
Damn It! Faraday was my current favourite character.My favourite characters always get killed.John,Ethan,Michael,Keamy,Rousseau,Boone and now Faraday.Guess i'll have to take Jacob.