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GateWorld
March 25th, 2009, 07:59 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 512</FONT>
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Ben attempts to summon the smoke monster in order to stand judgment for his past sins.

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Amalthea
April 8th, 2009, 10:10 PM
To start with, wow! Classic Lost, really- more questions, some answers, smoke monster! Fantastic!

Next, I am so, so, so glad Penny is alive. Aside from the fact that she didn't deserve to die, Desmond didn't deserve to lose her. He needs to have a happy life! He spent 3 years on that godforsaken island never getting more than 107 minutes of sleep at a time! He so has earned a happily ever after with Penny.

I almost felt sorry for Ben at the end. It was interesting to see him all wracked with guilt over Alex, but then when she manhandled him, I saw that he was still Ben. It was very interesting that Whidmore wanted Rouseau and Alex dead, but wouldn't do it himself. It's almost like he knew what was coming and wanted to prevent it.

Alex must be like Christian Shepherd somehow. Some kind of apparition. I don't think John is, though- he's actually alive since he can't zip zip all over the place.

Last, poor Caesar! And what the heck happened to the rest of them to make them go nuts?

On a production note, not a fan of how they made Ben look younger. It was pretty forced, but then I guess they didn't have a choice.

Overall, very interesting! Loved it!

SBN
April 8th, 2009, 10:44 PM
Last, poor Caesar! And what the heck happened to the rest of them to make them go nuts?

I have a very strong feeling they are not going nuts, but rather something more mysterious. They may not even be part of Widmore's group but could be a 3rd party interested in the Island that nobody knows about. They just seem way too mysterious, at least that is how it has been played up so far.

With the temple hieroglyphics, doesn't this seem to be more and more a Stargate thing? Maybe when we get to see the actual temple, there will be a large ring thing that glows a blueish water?

Lastly, did anyone bother to count just how many times Ben lied? God he is good at that. He is surprised John is alive, he is not surprised but expected it, he is scared to death, he is....god only knows what the truth is with Ben.

memnarch
April 8th, 2009, 11:08 PM
The "Alex" that appears is probably a manifestation of the Monster, much like the "Yemi" that appeared to Eko. It's likely that it can't speak or communicate in its own form and so has to take on a human guise to get more complex messages across.

I'm also pretty sure that Locke went to see Richard when he left into the jungle, which is how he knew to go to the temple (that, or Jin told him offscreen about his encounter with Rousseau's team) and so he could tell Richard about finding himself when he time jumped in after getting shot by Ethan.

What I'm wondering now is, how Widmore knew that the particular spot in Indonesia was the Island's "exit point" if he left it via submarine. Maybe that's how Eloise left...I'm refering to the fact that Eloise Hawking was a member of the Others and was the same one who showed Daniel the bomb back in the '50's. Sorry if you hadn't caught on to that fact. It is INCREDIBLY obvious though...

Ilana is undoubtedly working for Widmore. The producers have described him as the show's "big bad," so it makes sense that they're working for him. Ben's little phone call about killing his daughter probably didn't help dissuade him, either.

The Temple scene is probably going to have the hardcore fans buzzing. The fact that the Monster came out of a vent under a picture of Anubis, long speculated to have some connection to Smokey, will fan the fandom fires for a while.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
April 9th, 2009, 02:55 AM
So it seems the 4 toed statue is of Anubis. Wow that ep was crazy, a lot to take in. We need a nickname for that vent smokey came out of like the frozen donkey wheel. Anyway, that painting made it look like Anubis was summoning smokey...maybe Anubis used to live on the island? Im really curious as to what all the heiroglyphs (sp) translate to and same with the ones in the swan, on the countdown clock.

Im not really sure what else to think of smokey after this encounter. This was a really big WTF moment. Easily #1 or #2 of all the big WTF moments throughout the series. I love it, i think im done typing.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 9th, 2009, 09:06 AM
The best part of LOST lately has been the interactions between Ben and Locke.
I loved finally seeing what it looks like from Ben's (or Locke and Eko) perspective when Smokey shows them flashes.
It was nice to finally get some background info on Widmore, even if it was just confirming what I already thought. The stuff about ordering Ben to kill Rousseau was a surprise.
If that's what's underneath the temple... what does the actual temple look like?
I really want another Locke episode now.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 9th, 2009, 09:07 AM
Last, poor Caesar! And what the heck happened to the rest of them to make them go nuts?

I think they're all working for Widmore and the question is a code so they know who to trust.

0xNatashax0
April 9th, 2009, 09:34 AM
Last nights episode was amazing!!! is it bad that I feel sorry for Ben??
& when smoke-monster-Alex appeared I thought it wa sher to start with.

& I actually cried whn Ben said 'apologize to Desmond for me' I so thought he had killed Penny!!

SoulReaver
April 9th, 2009, 09:41 AM
isn't Cerberus supposed to be the greek equivalent of Anubis ? if so that could explain the pic in the cave



btw if Ben believed John would live, why did he say "I'm gonna miss you John" after he killed him ?

Cerberus sparing Ben doesn't mean much - remember it also spared Keamy (the merc)

Shan Bruce Lee
April 9th, 2009, 11:30 AM
btw if Ben believed John would live, why did he say "I'm gonna miss you John" after he killed him ?

He was lying. He told Sun later that it scared the hell out of him that Locke was alive.

SoulReaver
April 9th, 2009, 11:36 AM
He was lying. He told Sun later that it scared the hell out of him that Locke was alive.yeah but on the other hand why would he tell Sun (of all people) the truth despite the risk that she would repeat it to John ?

that's the thing, this guy is bloody confusing. I've decided that he is up to no good & I still stand by that, nevertheless he's damn near impossible to figure out
(brilliant acting btw)

Amalthea
April 9th, 2009, 12:25 PM
John knew where the smoke monster lived because they saw it snatch Rousseau's men when they were jumping through time. So, I don't know what exactly John was up to in the woods. Maybe seeing Richard, maybe taking a leak. They'll tell us soon.

All the Egyptian hieroglyphs and everything are awesome. I have no idea what they mean, but I love that they have something to do with it! LOL Anubis was definitely looking at Smokey in that glyph, too.

I'm not convinced all the Ajira crash members are working for Widmore. Maybe Ilana and a couple others, but the guy who ran up to Frank looked pretty clueless to me. I also think it's entirely possible they're working for Eloise since she knew where the island was to be and could plan ahead like that.

As an aside, the "exit point" is in Tunisia, which is in Africa, not Indonesia, which is north of Australia.

dsigal
April 9th, 2009, 01:28 PM
I also agree the question is probably a code for people working for Widmore. Ben gave him a day's notice he was heading back to the island and if Sun is working for/with him, he had access to all of the details.

I think the literal answer to question though is Jughead aka the Nuke

Shan Bruce Lee
April 9th, 2009, 01:34 PM
yeah but on the other hand why would he tell Sun (of all people) the truth despite the risk that she would repeat it to John ?

that's the thing, this guy is bloody confusing. I've decided that he is up to no good & I still stand by that, nevertheless he's damn near impossible to figure out
(brilliant acting btw)

That's a good point. He could just as easily be lying to Sun too. I still think he lied to Locke because of how shocked he looked when he first woke up and Locke was sitting there.

knowles2
April 9th, 2009, 01:47 PM
It was an awesome episode.
Ben was brilliant. The Ajira crew are growing interesting and it seem like they are Widmore men, or Eloise people but I do think that who ever they are they are people who are not allowed back on the island. And if the nuk is there they rather destroy it than stay off it.

But one thing I do not understand is that if Richard have seen going from and to the island and it does not seem to be doing him any harm.


The temple it interest that the wall is some sought of cloak.

Madwelshboy
April 9th, 2009, 02:14 PM
Really enjoyed this episode, the best one for a few weeks IMO. I'm just glad we've got away from the 1970s for an episode, it was all getting a bit uneventfull. The Ben/Locke/Sun stuff was great. Nice to see smokey back and the mystery of it and the temple deepens. Ajira crew are becoming interesting - cant wait to find out more.

Wyrminarrd
April 9th, 2009, 04:35 PM
Another fantastic episode!

Ben is truly one of TVs greatest villains ever. His ability to think on his feet and adapt to just about anything makes it nearly impossible to know what he is really thinking. Personally I think he told the truth to Sun, it seemed like it was the writers way to let the audience know that what is happening to Locke is really important and unprecedented as far as Ben knows (Still a question as to what Christian Shepard is).

Im glad that Ben didn't kill Desmond and his family, Desmond deserves to live a free and happy life after all he's been through.

The smoke monster keeps getting more interesting, it seemed like the temple had a mix of Mayan and Egyptian hieroglyphics though Im no expert on the subject. The monster definitely as a plan for Locke and wants Ben to stay out of the way though clearly Ben still has a role to play or hed be dead. I somehow doubt that Ben is going to heed the monsters warning, its just to deeply rooted in his personality to always try and be in control.

entil2001
April 9th, 2009, 05:25 PM
Review: Lost 5.12: "Dead is Dead" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-12.html)

Overall, this was one of the best episodes of the season, focusing tightly on one of the key relationships in the series and shedding light on some of the key mysteries. The writers continue to peel back the layers of the story and inform much of what has come before, while perfectly setting the stage for the grand resolution still to come.

Cree
April 9th, 2009, 06:57 PM
does no one else think maybe the people from the new plane (soory im rather drunk) who have taken frank have been influenced by the monster much in the same way that danielle's people were?

knowles2
April 10th, 2009, 02:11 AM
does no one else think maybe the people from the new plane (soory im rather drunk) who have taken frank have been influenced by the monster much in the same way that danielle's people were?

Well I do not because as far as we know you need to be taken to the wall of the temple for that to happen.

Dusk
April 10th, 2009, 04:03 AM
Have you ever seen Locke grin so much? Hehe, he's having a blast.

Next week's episode is called, and you're gonna laugh, "Some Like It Hoth" - I have no idea how Star Wars comes into it, but there you have it.

The following week will be a recap special, and then on April 29 we get to see LOST's 100th episode! I've got a feeling it's gonna be fantastic!!

knowles2
April 10th, 2009, 06:15 AM
I will be looking forward for that birthday present.

Spimman
April 10th, 2009, 06:50 AM
We really saw a compassionate side of Ben tonight. Even though he is morally grey at best, he did show mercy to Alex, Rouseu and Penny and true sorrow about Alex.

I think he'll keep his promise and help John.

Spimman
April 10th, 2009, 06:51 AM
Next week's episode is called, and you're gonna laugh, "Some Like It Hoth" - I have no idea how Star Wars comes into it, but there you have it.

I can't wait to finally learn more about Miles, he is such a mystery.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 10th, 2009, 08:45 AM
does no one else think maybe the people from the new plane (soory im rather drunk) who have taken frank have been influenced by the monster much in the same way that danielle's people were?

They're on the second, smaller island.

raduzhok
April 10th, 2009, 09:15 AM
To start with, wow! Classic Lost, really- more questions, some answers, smoke monster! Fantastic!

I've been watching LOST from the beginning, and even though they were constantly adding confusing plot twists to it, sometimes to the point where it began to almost wear thin, I stuck with it because I loved the characters, and the whole idea. When this last season began, it felt to me the way I recall how it felt in the beginning... It was magic!!! But not only that but it emotionally had me on a fabulous roller coaster ride! As you said, CLASSIC LOST! I'm loving every moment.

Starbreaker
April 11th, 2009, 08:58 PM
Have you ever seen Locke grin so much? Hehe, he's having a blast.

Next week's episode is called, and you're gonna laugh, "Some Like It Hoth" - I have no idea how Star Wars comes into it, but there you have it.

The following week will be a recap special, and then on April 29 we get to see LOST's 100th episode! I've got a feeling it's gonna be fantastic!!

Well, the Losties are in 1977 and Star Wars = 1977. I guess we'll see. :)

SoulReaver
April 11th, 2009, 10:01 PM
for some reason the title of this ep reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/v/VVWNZPOUhO8&autoplay=1) http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/skylight.gif

Alan Wake
April 11th, 2009, 10:54 PM
This was one of the best episodes of the season... I totally didn't see the shotgun part happening.

I too at first thought the "code" might have been the work of the smoke monster. Maybe he changed them too?

"what lies in the shadow of the statue?" Damn... I wanna know now!

I still can't put my finger on what's up with locke though, I keep thinking he may really be dead, and he's just another Christen. Something just doesn't feel right... he seems a little bit to happy.

I guess one of the biggest questions for me now is what happened to our group in the past?

Since we seeing events in the present now, and the past has already happened, are Jake, kate and the others some where still on the island? Only 30 years older?

Amalthea
April 12th, 2009, 10:43 AM
This was one of the best episodes of the season... I totally didn't see the shotgun part happening.

I too at first thought the "code" might have been the work of the smoke monster. Maybe he changed them too?

"what lies in the shadow of the statue?" Damn... I wanna know now!

I still can't put my finger on what's up with locke though, I keep thinking he may really be dead, and he's just another Christen. Something just doesn't feel right... he seems a little bit to happy.

I guess one of the biggest questions for me now is what happened to our group in the past?

Since we seeing events in the present now, and the past has already happened, are Jake, kate and the others some where still on the island? Only 30 years older?

I think John is happy because he is where he has wanted to be the most. It is somewhat odd, but he got what he wanted.

In regards to older Jack, Kate et al., in theory, if they had just gone along to get along in Dharmaville, they would have been killed in the Purge. So the question is whether the poison Ben released gets them, or if they got out in time, and got back to the future, as it were. I would assume the latter since it makes for a better story.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 12th, 2009, 04:29 PM
I was thinking about where Locke went when Ben was talking to Sun and Locke returns from the forest all of a sudden knowing exactly where they have to go...

I'm guessing, but I think when Ben summoned Smokey, Locke went out and met it first and it told him where to go. (probably taking the appearance of Christian)

The only possible hole in the theory (right now) is I still think Christian is "Christian" - at least it's still his soul...

Descent
April 12th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Best episode of the season so far. Loved it. :cool: I hope they get out of the '70s pretty soon... those episodes are not the best. :S


Have you ever seen Locke grin so much? Hehe, he's having a blast.

Bahaha. He is pretty happy to be alive and tormenting Ben. :D I really hope he's not a "spirit" or whatever like Christian.

raduzhok
April 13th, 2009, 10:17 AM
Best episode of the season so far. Loved it. :cool: I hope they get out of the '70s pretty soon... those episodes are not the best. :S



Bahaha. He is pretty happy to be alive and tormenting Ben. :D I really hope he's not a "spirit" or whatever like Christian.

I suspect from here on in, it will only get better!

Commander Zelix
April 13th, 2009, 11:31 AM
I've been watching LOST from the beginning, and even though they were constantly adding confusing plot twists to it, sometimes to the point where it began to almost wear thin, I stuck with it because I loved the characters, and the whole idea. When this last season began, it felt to me the way I recall how it felt in the beginning... It was magic!!! But not only that but it emotionally had me on a fabulous roller coaster ride! As you said, CLASSIC LOST! I'm loving every moment.

I don't think Lost is as good as the first 2 seasons. But, in general I wouldn't have wrote it in any other even now. Since they must make a stories about people stuck on an mysterious island move on. And they did it in the most intriguing way possible. Kudos to them.

The Prophet
April 14th, 2009, 09:40 PM
I'm hoping they buried Jughead in the shadow of the statue~

And that they're working for Widmore in an attempt to blow up the island. If he can't have the island, no-one will.

OR, they're working for Mittelwerk, from the Lost Experience.

OR, they're working for Mr Paik. Sun's dad.

Would be a nice resolve to the Lost Experience, way back when.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
April 14th, 2009, 11:26 PM
I think Sun still has alterior motives. Maybe im wrong.

What lies in the shadow of the statue? was a type of code, similar to Desmonds line, What does one snowman say to the other? Im guessing all of the people had never met until they landed on the island and were all given the code to identify eachother. Seems ovbious enough. Could it be anyone other than Widmore people? They seem to know their way around...who else knew the island?

raduzhok
April 16th, 2009, 08:22 AM
for some reason the title of this ep reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/v/VVWNZPOUhO8&autoplay=1) http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/skylight.gif

Very interesting and thanks for the blast from the past! :)


I still can't put my finger on what's up with locke though, I keep thinking he may really be dead, and he's just another Christen. Something just doesn't feel right... he seems a little bit to happy.


Maybe he's ascended? :D
It's also possible that everyone who died on the Island, if John actually DID come back to life, may also, especially Eko! Wouldn't that be something.

SoulReaver
April 16th, 2009, 09:23 AM
Very interesting and thanks for the blast from the past! :)dead is dead
I miss my baby's bed http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/hunk.gif



k I'm out http://img.infos-du-net.com/forum/images/perso/topicalacon.gif

Dusk
February 3rd, 2010, 05:30 AM
Ilana definitely has a massive character shift in this episode. And based on her previous behaviour in the first half of the season, I might speculate that the writers either didn't know or hadn't originally intended for her to become part of this rogue group.

Also, this episode, for me, confirmed that Locke wasn't Locke, but someone posing as Locke.

Lastly, I won't mind if we never learn more about the mysterious "Monster" but will be a tad annoyed if the connections between the Island and, for instance, Ancient Egyptian architecture and etchings isn't explained somehow. But then, I suppose we all have our 'need to know' desires.