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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#006699"><B>EMANCIPATION</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 103</FONT>
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An alien civilization is forced to reconsider their views on women when Carter rebels against their social customs.

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jenniferhailey
May 3rd, 2004, 11:46 AM
I know most people, including Amanda, hate this episode.

But I love it. I think Sam kicks butt, and its needed for her to be able to become a better character.

Because we didn't want her to stay the Children of the Gods Briefing Room Sam, did we?

So think of it as a very needed step towards our lovely, sweet Sam Carter. The one we have today.

Plus I'm in love with Abu (Jorge Vargas Jr.) :D Actually pretty hot without the wig.

DownFallAngel
May 3rd, 2004, 12:49 PM
I thought this episode was kinda silly. It was also a bit pointless, other than showing that Carter was bowing to no man, other than through rank.

It did show that the Tau'ri (In this case SG-1.) was gunna be stirring up trouble though.

Norlioness
May 3rd, 2004, 06:32 PM
When I see this title, I always remember the blue dress with the huge puffy sleeves - it's way over the top, especially when all the other women in the episode were dressed in subdued colours.

SamInChicago
May 5th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Because we didn't want her to stay the Children of the Gods Briefing Room Sam, did we?


Definitely not, but I just don't think this one is where we start to break away from that Sam Carter. It just doesn't feel like they'd gotten a good handle on her character or how to write for her at this point.

This episode could have been much better and while I don't dislike it as much as many do, I think it could have been so much better.

Major Clanger
May 9th, 2004, 05:02 AM
I just think it was a very clumsy attempt to build on the "briefing room Sam" character.

As a member of SG-1 I think we should be able to assume that she can do all that rufty-tufty soldier stuff, and see it introduced gradually, in line with the eps.

And I still don't buy that she would have ben able to beat that guy in a knife fight.

Mr Prophet
May 9th, 2004, 05:26 AM
And I still don't buy that she would have ben able to beat that guy in a knife fight.

Maybe he had a cold that day?

It really depends on what 'Level 3 advanced' hand-to-hand combat entails. If she's well trained in knife fighting, she might well have an edge over your man in a straight fight, especially if his people don't have any training besides: "Okay: Try to stab him! No, not like that, like this! Okay; try and stab the next guy better."

Major Clanger
May 9th, 2004, 06:10 AM
not sure I buy it - even with the "cold" theory. Most people I know who are good at fighting (whatever sort) do an awful lot of training. Plus, to fight with a knife you absolutely have to have the killer instinct.

Which, given what happens at the end, Sam clearly doesn't have. I'd have slit his throat merely for having made me wear That Dress.

Mr Prophet
May 9th, 2004, 06:35 AM
Which, given what happens at the end, Sam clearly doesn't have. I'd have slit his throat merely for having made me wear That Dress.

Technically, he didn't; Jack did, on Daniel's advice.

I'll admit, I would have liked to see Sam kill the guy, but it was too early. We need to have Sam established as a sort of 'soldier for peace' before seeing her kill - either for revenge or simply for expedience - would have had any impact.

In the X-Men comics, Storm was for years the moral spine of the team; the most committed to the principle that the X-Men should never kill. This stance gave her friendship with Wolverine a powerful tension and - incidentally - its abandonment for 'angry Storm' in X-2 is one of the few things I don't like about the film.

But anyway, then there was a story in which Angel got kidnapped by these sewer dwelling mutants, the Morlocks. Storm, at the time the leader of the X-Men, took a team into the sewers, but they were captured. To save them, she had to challenge the Morlocks' leader, Callisto, to a knife fight to the death. Storm killed Callisto, and the consequences for the character informed the next ten years of comics. It was an incredibly powerful moment.

The end of Emancipation could have been that, but not with Sam still such a new character, alas.

Major Clanger
May 9th, 2004, 07:01 AM
So, you'd have less of a "problem" with Emancipation if it came, say, in S3? I think I would

Although, to be honest, I don't dislike the ep as much as I dislike others.

I think I may have to investigate the X-Men. I've never read any of it or seen either of the films

Mr Prophet
May 9th, 2004, 07:34 AM
I think I may have to investigate the X-Men. I've never read any of it or seen either of the films

Catching up on the films would be cheaper and less confusing.

And I don't know about the rest of Emancipation, I just mean that the ending a) would have worked better as shock-horror, Airwoman Sam kills people rather than Trek-style quality of mercy and b) as the former belonged somewhere further in where we really thought we knew Sam and that wasn't her.

It's not my least favourite episode either; it just feels rather pointless. It's a bit of a sledgehammer message as well, rather like The Other Side, although that had a better ending. I mean, that's actually exactly the kind of ending I'm talking about, where rather than take the high ground and walk out, Jack stops to really put the boot in; not because they're bad - although they are - so much as because they tricked him.

SeaBee
June 19th, 2004, 06:59 AM
My big problem with this ep. is the ease with which Sam was taken prisoner by a boy. I just don't think that, with her training in hand to hand combat, she would have been able to stop the attack.

I just feel that this was the weakest ep. of the season.

Mr Prophet
June 19th, 2004, 07:32 AM
Let's face it though; when the plot calls for it, Sam is deeply cissy.

Anubis
June 19th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Very true. She has the touch to do things

Bagpuss
June 28th, 2004, 01:25 PM
When I see this title, I always remember the blue dress with the huge puffy sleeves - it's way over the top, especially when all the other women in the episode were dressed in subdued colours.

*Shudders* Me too,NL,....but the real abomination (for me) was that AWFUL head-dress !! :eek:
OK,the script was a bit preachy too,but I take comfort in the fact that it was a very early episode. ;)

Ap-uat
June 30th, 2004, 10:09 AM
I know that this is a bit off-topic, considering the previous posts, but has anyone noticed a little mishap(if you can call it that) in the episode. In the very beginning of the episode, in the scene where the camera shows all of the team standing and starting to run to help Abu, AT gives a laugh and says something. There is no sound of that, so its difficult to understand what she´s saying, but it looks like she´s saying "what". Maybe Chris Judge(it appears that his lips are moving but its hard to make out) was telling her a joke and the guys at the montage department noticed it too late to cut it out. :D ...anyway, i don´t mind, she has a beatiful smile :)

Anubis
June 30th, 2004, 10:21 AM
I have to agree. Great smile and body!

rihannsu
July 6th, 2004, 11:51 AM
I remember when I watched this episode the first time, I looked at my brand new DVD set and thought "what have I done??" Then I remembered the Carter I saw in a S7 episode and knew everything would be ok..........eventually. ;)

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 06:32 PM
This is one of those rare episodes I just didn't like.

AgentX
July 10th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Not even the presence of Shang Tsung (Tagawa) could help this one. Thankfully there were few episodes of this low quality in Season 1

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:02 PM
The were trying to establish the character of sam but it just didn't work.

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 05:02 PM
They managed to make the worst episode in SG1-history imo:>

Selmak
July 17th, 2004, 10:43 PM
Then again it was only the 3rd episode.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:20 PM
They managed to make the worst episode in SG1-history imo:>
It was only the second off-world mission... taking that in to consideration it wasn't that bad.

zats
August 22nd, 2004, 07:06 PM
I know most people, including Amanda, hate this episode.

But I love it. I think Sam kicks butt, and its needed for her to be able to become a better character.

Because we didn't want her to stay the Children of the Gods Briefing Room Sam, did we?

So think of it as a very needed step towards our lovely, sweet Sam Carter. The one we have today.

Plus I'm in love with Abu (Jorge Vargas Jr.) :D Actually pretty hot without the wig.

Whoo-hoo! Thanks. About time somebody said that!

I'm wishy-washy on this episode. Part of me knows that it's highly unlikely that Sam would be able to take down Turghan, but (a) I don't care, girl kicks butt, I'll take it, and (b) you'd be surprised at what you can do when you have to. If I was in Sam's situation, I'd be pretty darn motivated.

Overall, though, I like. A little overdone, the script could use some work, but still: Sam. Kicked. Butt.

That by itself makes Emancipation worthwhile.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 07:00 AM
:| is there anything good about this episode? well, mybe the bit with jack sayng she is one of those things today. and 2 lines is not good enough.

zats
September 7th, 2004, 06:30 PM
:| is there anything good about this episode? well, mybe the bit with jack sayng she is one of those things today. and 2 lines is not good enough.

I've read a few fics where the blue dress is brought up as a later in-joke. I think that's what the writers should have done--it'd have brought something mildly amusing to the show and also acknowledged that Emancipation might not have been the show's finest hour.

Major Fischer
September 8th, 2004, 08:40 AM
I liked the "What is an Oprah?" line, but it wasn't enough to save this from being the worst epsiode of SG1 ever.

zats
September 19th, 2004, 04:33 PM
Look, I like this episode. Yes, it's practically impossible. Yes, it had a pretty weak plot line. You know what? I like it anyway. Tough.

I'm not going to go through an entire dissertation of this episode because I've already done written some stuff about it, but there are some matters I'd still like to address. So here goes.

a. Did they ever tell us about P3X-905? On the other hand, I'm not sure that I really want to know.

b. Some of the dialogue was kind of weak, but I'm willing to excuse that (for once! :rolleyes: ). It was early in the show, and they were still fiddling 'round with personalities.

c. Woman's lib! Whoo-hoo!

Okay. I'm done. Until I think of something else.

The end.

mishy_mo
October 4th, 2004, 01:26 PM
I liked the "What is an Oprah?" line, but it wasn't enough to save this from being the worst epsiode of SG1 ever.

i will admit this certainly ain't the best ep, maybe the wosrt but you gotta love the

'what is an oprah?'

that has got to be one of my favorite team moments!!!!

walter_MacChevron
October 6th, 2004, 09:39 PM
how little teal'c knew about erath was funny in and of itself!!!

SecretArt
October 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM
I actually don't mind this episode, it's not one of my favourites but i definately don't hate it (i can't explain why i just don't)

I have a problem with the Sam fight at the end in that she wins easily, yet at the start of te episode she didn't strugle at all when she was being kidnapped, it just doesn't make sense.

And i read somewhere taht the laughing whilst running bit was because they'd been doing so many rehearsals of it, so taht when they came to film it they were all exhausted and for some reason found it really funny that they were running across a field over and over.

I think one of the main reason's i like it, is taht shows Sam as being 'the girl' but also shows her integrating into the team, as by the end she doesn't seem to be 'the girl' so much.

JediTrilobite
October 11th, 2004, 06:14 AM
I wasn't a big fan of this episode. It just didn't hold my interest. My main question was: Why didn't they send Sam back and deal with everything with the remaining three?

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
October 21st, 2004, 05:50 PM
not sure I buy it - even with the "cold" theory. Most people I know who are good at fighting (whatever sort) do an awful lot of training. Plus, to fight with a knife you absolutely have to have the killer instinct.

Which, given what happens at the end, Sam clearly doesn't have. I'd have slit his throat merely for having made me wear That Dress.

Well, she's in the military, so she does have the killer instinct. She just prefers not to kill if there's a chance. Not to mention, the guy was the chieftain of 22 tribes, if he died there would have been a power struggle that could have been pretty bloody.

I like this episode, I thought it was fun! And Abu saying "This is a woman? :eek: " was priceless :D I also liked to see Carter kicking butt although I'm not sure I buy this particular fight but hey! Whatever.

Nya was so not mongolian though. If I was Thurgan I'd seriously doubt I was her father!

Major Fischer
October 21st, 2004, 05:54 PM
Being in the military does not equate to killer instinct. I've know a few USAFA grads who I would say don't have it. But they weren't in jobs where they needed it.

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
October 21st, 2004, 06:03 PM
Well, she did do 100 hours in ennemy air space. She was in a position to shoot down people. And she doesn't mind killing. Say for example in Beast of Burden, she actually asked if she could killed the guys (not in that many words but still)

Major Fischer
October 21st, 2004, 07:58 PM
Well, she did do 100 hours in ennemy air space. She was in a position to shoot down people. And she doesn't mind killing. Say for example in Beast of Burden, she actually asked if she could killed the guys (not in that many words but still)

100 hours in enemy airspace during the Gulf War under 1991 US regulations of women in combat means.... she was most likely in an AWACs plane. That is hardly 'killer instinct stuff'.

the dancer of spaz
October 22nd, 2004, 11:33 PM
100 hours in enemy airspace during the Gulf War under 1991 US regulations of women in combat means.... she was most likely in an AWACs plane. That is hardly 'killer instinct stuff'.

I know nothing about the military... How old would she have been at that point in time? She wasn't a Captain then, was she?

Matt G
October 23rd, 2004, 07:12 AM
There's one fanfic around which followed Sam through the early 90s. The first scene was a party to celebrate her promotion to Captain and it was set soon after she came back from the Gulf.

OK it's fanon rather than canon but it's as reasonable a guess as any that she got her Captain's bars due to her work in the Gulf.

Mr Prophet
October 23rd, 2004, 03:10 PM
OK it's fanon rather than canon but it's as reasonable a guess as any that she got her Captain's bars due to her work in the Gulf.

What? As opposed to her work on the Stargate programme?

Major Fischer
October 23rd, 2004, 03:14 PM
I think it's entirely possible she got her captains bars on a time in grade thing. You sit in O3 longer than you sit in O1 or O2. I'd say she was a first lieutenant but that's just my own guess. Virtually the only thing I can reconcil with Sam to explain the 100 hours bit (even though she wears no campaign ribbons for the gulf btw), is that she was an air battle manager or a similar AWACs crewman. I can't picture her on a air to air refueling aircraft.

Major Fischer
October 23rd, 2004, 03:18 PM
I know nothing about the military... How old would she have been at that point in time? She wasn't a Captain then, was she?

I don't know what Sam's canon age is, or her grad year from USAFA, or when she got her PhD (is where she got it even canon, I've heard MIT, but I don't recall it in the series).

Anyway, in 1993 IIRC, the Defense Department opened up a wide range of jobs for women, including most air force flight jobs including combat. If the "100 hours in enemy airspace" line had been in reference to anything after 1993 it would be hard to say what Sam was doing.

But as it is... there is only a limited number of things someone with Sam's background could have been doing over Iraq during Desert Storm. At least legally.

Mr Prophet
October 23rd, 2004, 03:24 PM
But as it is... there is only a limited number of things someone with Sam's background could have been doing over Iraq during Desert Storm. At least legally.

She was out there testing airborne superweapons for the NID and you know it. :D

Major Fischer
October 23rd, 2004, 03:34 PM
She was out there testing airborne superweapons for the NID and you know it. :D

Well, she does seem to know a lot about cafe's near NID headquarters ;)

Matt G
October 24th, 2004, 02:14 PM
What? As opposed to her work on the Stargate programme?

Well accrding to the fanfic in question, she got hired by Catherine Langford for the Stargate programme circa 1992 and transferred to the Pentagon not long before the movie(There were rumours around the program about Daniel being hired, General West booted Sam to the Pentagon and assigned Jack in her place as miltary personel!)

If I can find the fic again I'll post a link.

Mr Prophet
October 25th, 2004, 12:25 AM
Well accrding to the fanfic in question, she got hired by Catherine Langford for the Stargate programme circa 1992 and transferred to the Pentagon not long before the movie(There were rumours around the program about Daniel being hired, General West booted Sam to the Pentagon and assigned Jack in her place as miltary personel!)

If I can find the fic again I'll post a link.

I'm fairly sure she refers to working on the Gate - as a scientist, more than as military personnel - for something like four years before Daniel made it work. My impression is that it's her baby and the fact that she got booted to make way for another guy was why she was so mad-confrontational in Children of the Gods.

And I'm sorry, but Jack would never be assigned to take Sam's place, on anything, and - leadership of SG-1 maybe excepted - vice versa.

Major Fischer
October 25th, 2004, 05:38 AM
And I'm sorry, but Jack would never be assigned to take Sam's place, on anything, and - leadership of SG-1 maybe excepted - vice versa.

I agree, they have completely different skill sets... though they've made Jack pretty unrealistic I think because they wanted him to be a pilot as well as this special ops man and that just doesn't really work well.

My bet is also that Sam went about paying more attention to understanding her fieldcraft after the mission went through to Abydos and she came to understand that if she wanted back into the program she needed to be competent in that.

At least I can see Captain Carter going at learning that sort of thing with enthusasm if it meant she could get into space. The little grin on her face when the guys are surprised she knows how to set the claymores suggests it.

the dancer of spaz
October 25th, 2004, 04:50 PM
I agree, they have completely different skill sets... though they've made Jack pretty unrealistic I think because they wanted him to be a pilot as well as this special ops man and that just doesn't really work well.

My bet is also that Sam went about paying more attention to understanding her fieldcraft after the mission went through to Abydos and she came to understand that if she wanted back into the program she needed to be competent in that.

At least I can see Captain Carter going at learning that sort of thing with enthusasm if it meant she could get into space. The little grin on her face when the guys are surprised she knows how to set the claymores suggests it.

Completely different skill sets is DEFINITELY true. However, I didn't know Jack could realistically be only a pilot or only a special ops guy. I thought that he's been in the military for half of his life, at least. Doesn't that give him a chance to do both?

What you guys said about Carter being booted to the Pentagon makes sense, since you connected it with her smugness in "Children of the Gods." Looking back at it now - at how young they all were and everything - it's so cool to see her transformation from jaded scientist military woman to extremely experienced scientist and well-skilled military woman. In eight years, these characters have been through a lot. It kinda puts it in perspective for me, when it comes to reaching the full appreciation of these actors and everything they've invested into these characters.

Major Fischer
October 25th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Completely different skill sets is DEFINITELY true. However, I didn't know Jack could realistically be only a pilot or only a special ops guy. I thought that he's been in the military for half of his life, at least. Doesn't that give him a chance to do both?

The short answer? No.

They are entirely different skills and virtually no reason to cross train them. You don't wander from one highly specialized area to another midcareer. And before anyone suggests that he learned to pilot things for special ops missions... the air force has specially trained pilots that just work with special ops units. Jack could not be the special ops badass that we know him to be and also be a pilot qualified enough to fly experimental aircraft.

But no one said television was realistic.

Moreover the air force requires officers with the eligablity to wear aviation badges (like pilots wings) to do so. Jack doesn't.

the dancer of spaz
October 25th, 2004, 11:22 PM
The short answer? No.

They are entirely different skills and virtually no reason to cross train them. You don't wander from one highly specialized area to another midcareer. And before anyone suggests that he learned to pilot things for special ops missions... the air force has specially trained pilots that just work with special ops units. Jack could not be the special ops badass that we know him to be and also be a pilot qualified enough to fly experimental aircraft.

But no one said television was realistic.

Moreover the air force requires officers with the eligablity to wear aviation badges (like pilots wings) to do so. Jack doesn't.

So, you're saying that he has about as much experience with flying and piloting as Sam does, and therefore isn't necessarily the foremost expert on things like the X-302? Remember Fragile Balance? That annoyed me. It was a bit confusing to me, how they sort of played up that whole "Jack is THE man for this job, no matter how old he is" stunt, without allowing Carter the chance to do it. But that's just me. *shrugs*

zats
October 29th, 2004, 05:03 PM
So, you're saying that he has about as much experience with flying and piloting as Sam does, and therefore isn't necessarily the foremost expert on things like the X-302? Remember Fragile Balance? That annoyed me. It was a bit confusing to me, how they sort of played up that whole "Jack is THE man for this job, no matter how old he is" stunt, without allowing Carter the chance to do it. But that's just me. *shrugs*

THANK YOU! :eek: That bugged me! At the least, he should've chewed them out for not listening to her--sort of a "I'm doing it this time but you WILL be paying her due respect next time or you'll be painting the embarkation ramp with a nail polish brush" thing. On the otherhand, not a lot of people that I've mentioned this to have agreed with me--but then they're entitled to disagree, so whatever; it's just my opinion.

Lord Zedd
November 11th, 2004, 08:26 AM
Did you noticed that Carter was saying the following thiing

Carter:I'm so glad to see you guys
O'Neill:no not true don't you remember the time we were on P3X-595 where you drank that stuff where you took off your (was going to say before Carter interrupted :clothes)
Carter:let's don't get in to that right now

:D :D :D

WraithWarrior
November 13th, 2004, 02:53 PM
Did you noticed that Carter was saying the following thiing

Carter:I'm so glad to see you guys
O'Neill:no not true don't you remember the time we were on P3X-595 where you drank that stuff where you took off your (was going to say before Carter interrupted :clothes)
Carter:let's don't get in to that right now

:D :D :D

I know, I thought that was pretty funny. I also thought that Sam looked very good in that episode. She really did kick butt :D

Osiris-RA
November 22nd, 2004, 05:09 PM
this episode was hilarous. and the oh-so-subtle insinuations towards islamic culture, classic. *laughing uncontrollably*

anyway, Tapping did her job and ended another week with a nice big paycheck. and they'd better have given her a pay raise to wear that outfit.

not the best, but oh-well.

zats
November 22nd, 2004, 06:27 PM
anyway, Tapping did her job and ended another week with a nice big paycheck. and they'd better have given her a pay raise to wear that outfit.

Hope they did more than give her a raise...a new car, maybe. Luggage, toaster oven. Producership.

That headdress gives me the screaming meemies :S ...ick.

jckfan55
November 23rd, 2004, 04:21 PM
THANK YOU! :eek: That bugged me! At the least, he should've chewed them out for not listening to her--sort of a "I'm doing it this time but you WILL be paying her due respect next time or you'll be painting the embarkation ramp with a nail polish brush" thing. On the otherhand, not a lot of people that I've mentioned this to have agreed with me--but then they're entitled to disagree, so whatever; it's just my opinion.
I agree with you. I think they were trying too hard for the comic effect and forgot that whether the pilots thought she was the expert or not, they owed her respect for her rank. And it occurs to me, protocol issues aside, isn't Carter sort of a legend in the SGC--saving the base several times, etc.? Wouldn't they show her respect on those grounds alone? I don't think it was in keeping with what else we know in the show for them to diss her that way. Sometimes they go for the comic effect despite how it messes with the characters, I guess.

But back on this show--I did kind of like it when the guys gave her a hard time about the dress.

greytop
November 25th, 2004, 05:03 AM
The only reason I like the show is Sam got to kick butt at the end. It showed that she could fight with the best of them. Otherwise, I didn't care too much for it.

jckfan55
November 26th, 2004, 10:09 AM
The only reason I like the show is Sam got to kick butt at the end. It showed that she could fight with the best of them. Otherwise, I didn't care too much for it.
That was pretty good. They certainly established her as tough enough to keep up with O'Neill and Tealc.

ShimmeringStar
December 5th, 2004, 04:43 PM
An okay episode. IMOHO I think TPTB just tried to throw too much into one episode (of course now, in retrospect, what's new, huh? They're still doing that. :S ). They were trying to 'flesh' out & establish Sam's character as well as hit on women's rights, cultural differences & taboos... and just put too much in it.

Though I can't forget that line that _Anubis quoted where Jack reminds Sam about the stuff she drank that *released* her inhibitions so to speak.... ;) :p :D

Naquida Guy
December 12th, 2004, 05:34 PM
While not a favorite of mine, I think this episode was nessecary for the show. Alot of sci-fi shows make the mistake of having 'token' characters; the token women, the token minority guy, etc. This gets viewed correctly as a cheap way of trying to appeal to other audiances and it detracts from the show. This was an episode which helped establish Sam as being more then just a 'token women' and begain to build her personality.

Alot of these 1st season episodes too follow the tried and true model of trying to send a moral message, which lots of shows do before they find their 'groove.'

Oh, and it's entirely possible that if Sam's had sufficent training she could easily best someone many times her size in combat. The cheif guy would have alot of experience at that kind of fighting, but he was clearly used to besting people quickly with his superior strength. US Military combat training draws upon thousands of years of hand-to-hand fighting techniques from aroudn the world. Basiclly Sam would have had alot of different ways of winning the fight, where as Mr. Mongol could only rely on his brute strength.

jckfan55
December 13th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Oh, and it's entirely possible that if Sam's had sufficent training she could easily best someone many times her size in combat. The cheif guy would have alot of experience at that kind of fighting, but he was clearly used to besting people quickly with his superior strength. US Military combat training draws upon thousands of years of hand-to-hand fighting techniques from aroudn the world. Basiclly Sam would have had alot of different ways of winning the fight, where as Mr. Mongol could only rely on his brute strength.

It looked to me like she might have used his weight against him when she threw him down.

SmartFox
February 10th, 2005, 05:08 PM
I didnt really like this episode espciall that dress ugggg. :S


The only thing good about this ep is Sam kicking but at the end.

RubyRed
February 19th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I think this episode was great. it show that Carter is as strong and determine as the rest of SG1. I loved it when she kick ass. I don't buy that he had a cold I just think that she was better than him at fighting. It's like she said she was a scholar so i think her mind is more open more reflective. plus she's been traine in case she's in this situation. I think that she should have made the men say that all the women in there were going to be free and treated equal. But I have to say she kick ass.

hermajesty
February 25th, 2005, 10:07 AM
This episode left me thinking "what a waste of 45 minutes". The theme was very tacky girl-power, not at all subtle. It bore no relation to the previous episodes, and the plot was a little suspect. If she could beat the chief in the knife fight then why couldnt she beat the teenage boy when he took her captive. In fact, the only things that redeemed this episode were a couple of good jokes. Hopefully this was the low-point of season 1: surely it can only get better?

OrangeShipper
March 4th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Hey,

Apologies if this has been said (im in a rush), but there is one bit of this ep that I LOVE!
The scene in the tent where the guys see her in the dress.. Its SO FUNNY!! I just love it! Just their expressions, and comments, its totally priceless. I think that scene in itself redeems the episode!!

jckfan55
March 4th, 2005, 10:55 AM
Hey,

Apologies if this has been said (im in a rush), but there is one bit of this ep that I LOVE!
The scene in the tent where the guys see her in the dress.. Its SO FUNNY!! I just love it! Just their expressions, and comments, its totally priceless. I think that scene in itself redeems the episode!!
That was a good part. "It's you!"

Im_just_guessing
March 6th, 2005, 10:20 PM
The Oprah crack at the end was pretty good too.

And IIRC, the grass was really long around the gate, something not seen on most gates, even gates on uninhabitted worlds. Which is cool, because I think thats the way it woudl actually be.

sierragulf_gurl_23
March 8th, 2005, 02:27 PM
it isn't there best ep (they were in their first season,though) but I did like the whole dress thing*you know,when the men of sg1 come in and see Sam in the HORRIFIC dress*was it me or was there some shippyness going on?...NAH, probably some wishful thinking of mine...*sigh*but I'll watch that part again just in case


SAM + JACK 4EVA!

Legal Ninja
March 8th, 2005, 02:51 PM
True, it wasn't one of the best Stargate episodes known to man...but hey, we got Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa in it! I swear practically every line that came from that man's mouth cracked me up.

We have such gems as:

"Her eyes...are the color of blue river stones" - Okay how many of us rolled their eyes at that one? *looks for a show of hands*

AND

"I value spirit in my horses, not my women" - From the pages of a trashy romance novel, that one! But you gotta love it....of course maybe that's because I LIKE trashy romance novels!

And lest we forget, my personal favorite:

"Turn around...slowly."


I tell ya...I was just waiting for him to bust out a "YOUR SOUL IS MINE!"

But...this was the episode that hooked me onto SG1. It was the first ep I watched. Not Children of the Gods, or Absolute Power or Window of Opportunity. THIS one.

And to me...this one has a special place in my heart.

...Even with the blue dress.

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 05:11 PM
I think that it was the worst episode of the entire season

zats
March 12th, 2005, 02:20 PM
*you know,when the men of sg1 come in and see Sam in the HORRIFIC dress*was it me or was there some shippyness going on?...NAH, probably some wishful thinking of mine...*sigh*but I'll watch that part again just in case I thought so. *Thinks* Well, maybe not ship, :rolleyes: exactly, but still a 'moment', even if it was 'just friendly'. Although I must say, I have a hard time with the fact that a lampshade for a headdress could be considered a bonding tool, but maybe that's just me. :p

Katerine
April 6th, 2005, 04:36 PM
This was the first of many, many "just how much should we interfere in other cultures?" episodes, a convention that I never get tired of. It was done fairly well, although there were still a few kinks to work out, and the writers hadn't quite gotten the hang of not basing an entire episode around a PSA that's blatantly obvious in the first five minutes of the episode.

Liked the fact that there was believable clothing, make-up, and genetic make-up in the cast.

It was interesting to see the team's perspective on a less enlightened culture. All of their reactions were very much in character (even Daniel's... even though he clearly sees the moral issue, he would have had "don't interfere in the local cultures you're studying, no matter what you think of their values" drilled into his head from the time he started college - basic anthropology).

This was also Carter's first showcase episode, and it was a very good one. We see her as a competant professional, and we can easily understand how she came to be Captain at such a young age. We see her fighting skills, her sense of honor, and we get a little further view of the feminist aspect of her personality.

I really enjoyed the scene where we first see her in the dress, and they show a shot of all four men (Abu, Daniel, Teal'c, and Jack), all lined up, all staring at her, speechless. That was just a really fun scene, and her reaction to their reactions was great. Especially Jack's lighthearted jibes... it was nice to see them dealing with each other as professionals that are starting to get past the awkward stage of getting to know each other. I was kind of surprised at Daniel's reaction, though - maybe it was just that he'd just realized Sam was a woman.

Very strange to hear Daniel repeatedly address Sam as "Doctor." I'm just so used to him calling her "Sam."

Enjoyed the fight scene at the end. Even though it was contrived and obviously meant to set Sam up to win against the oppressor, it still felt good.

And I really enjoyed the "Oprah" scene at the end. Nice non sequitor to end the show.

5 of 10. Points taken off for the fact that the moral of the story was too obvious, too soon, too cliched, and it took up the entire episode.

Talon
April 6th, 2005, 05:43 PM
I've dipped into this series a couple of time over the years, but I've just got hold of the series on DVD and I'm watching them in order from the beginning.

I loved the movie and the first couple of episodes then I cam across this one. One of the things that I loved about the movie and pilot is that the off world cultures speak a variation of ancient earth languages, as they would as transplanted people.

From this episode that seams to have been dropped, is that ever explained in the series? Here we have a group of people descended from the Mongols of the steppes speaking modern English and I think it grates. :S

Its seams strange that they kept the premise fro the shows pilot and abandoned it here, does it reappear as it seams to make a lot more sense?

Other than that I'm really enjoying the series and can’t wait to get to some of the later seasons that I hear are very good.

Samuel J. Tilden
April 6th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Its seams strange that they kept the premise fro the shows pilot and abandoned it here, does it reappear as it seams to make a lot more sense?
Aside from a few special words like "Kree," the series has never embraced the use of languages other than English. Even the pilot quickly established the Abydonians as fluent practitioners of English. As logically satisfying as the strict use of "ancient Egyptian" was in the feature film, it was unwieldy and unsuited for episodic television. The fact that all aliens speak English is simply a conceit of sci-fi television that audiences have to accept.

OrangeShipper
April 28th, 2005, 06:10 AM
was it me or was there some shippyness going on?...NAH, probably some wishful thinking of mine...*sigh*but I'll watch that part again just in case!

Of course there was!! They're totally in love, right from the moment they met.. Ok, so thats an exaggeration, but there's definitely something there!

Hyperion
April 30th, 2005, 07:56 AM
*wearily posting for the first time, and its negative!*

This episode was a tad lame for my liking. I have seen bits of SG-1 on tv,
but have now invested in all the DVD's so i too am enjoying them all
consecutively, in sequence.

This ep made me squirm a bit and fear for my $$$, but the show quickly
redeemed itself, and now i'm loving it. I am used to shows with slightly more
impressive hand to hand combat, but, that's not to worry.

Believer
May 8th, 2005, 08:18 PM
OK, I have to say it, I did not like the episode Emancipation. I did however, like the characterization of Sam as a "warrior" and a leader, not just a woman. I think the plot was a tad contrived and I really think everything worked out too well, too quickly.

But that's just my opinion......not every episode can be great. ;)

KlaasV
May 12th, 2005, 05:34 PM
I have seen bits of SG-1 on tv,
but have now invested in all the DVD's so i too am enjoying them all
consecutively, in sequence.

Doing the same thing (only ever having seen a handful of broadcasts, now going through the DVD boxed sets in sequence).

This episode appeared to me to be a character development piece for Carter, and encapsulates the "new story every week" flavour of the first series.

Comments have been made about how Carter could beat the bad guy in the climactic fight, but couldn't beat the kid when she was kidnapped - my take is that she only fought hard and to win, when there was a lot more at stake.

What I particularly liked was where the characters started to realise the effect they were having on the locals, just by being there.

sunstar
May 15th, 2005, 06:57 AM
I love this episode. It has great character development for Carter; I loved the girl power in this episode

PugGate
May 16th, 2005, 04:31 PM
I think the only good part of this episode was when Jack traded his gun for Sam (and the fight scene at the end). So by cutting out all the crappiness, this ep would've probably been about four minutes long!

JastersLegacy
July 19th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Kill me now, if you wish, but I've got to say that so far, this is my favorite episode. I thought it was hilarious, I LOVED the looks on the guy's faces when they saw her. I agree on the dress though. She was dressed up too fancy considering what the other women were wearing. And I wouldn't think that a place like that would have a dress that makes you stare down a mile of clevage. What, did they have that laying around just in case some Earth women showed up? Other than that, I loved it.

zats
August 4th, 2005, 08:19 PM
With the recent press coverage of the Kenyan leader who offered a large quantity of livestock to Bill Clinton in exchange for Chelsea's hand, I find the part in whinch Jack trades the gun for Sam a mite funnier now.

And was the guy who played Turghan in 'Elektra'? Just a thought...

JoshuaJSlone
August 14th, 2005, 10:30 AM
Ahh, the first "planet of the week" episode. Also the first instance of mysteriously English speaking people knowing such relatively modern slang as "okay". Sam being totally uncooperative, but not in the fun way Jack can be totally uncooperative. This episode was the first to make me worry that the series couldn't keep going at the quality of the earlier episodes, but things worked out.

Uber
August 14th, 2005, 12:13 PM
Kill me now, if you wish, but I've got to say that so far, this is my favorite episode. I thought it was hilarious, I LOVED the looks on the guy's faces when they saw her. I agree on the dress though. She was dressed up too fancy considering what the other women were wearing. And I wouldn't think that a place like that would have a dress that makes you stare down a mile of clevage. What, did they have that laying around just in case some Earth women showed up? Other than that, I loved it.Okay...it's not my favorite...BUT I don't think it's the worst episode ever...so far that award goes to Affinity....

It wasn't the best ever, though, but it was only their third. They were still getting their sealegs for crying out loud. Some of the dialogue was forced IMHO...like Sam's uber-annoying ultrafeminist crap...WAY over the top and even Amanda found it irritating.

That all being said, there are some really cute moments and some PRICELESS MOMENTS in this episode as well...

++++++++++++++

Sam (wearing that native blue dress): Daniel, find me an anthropologist that dresses like this and I will eat this headdress.

++++++++++++++

Sam: I will not wear this thing over my face. I don't care how much embroidery it has on it. And this…dress, or whatever it's called, I mean…I can't move, I can't walk…

Jack: I don't know. (shakes his head, smirking) It…it kind of works for me. I, uh…

Daniel: It's, it's you, it's…

[Jack and Daniel exchange looks; in the background Teal'c looks from one to the other. Jack and Daniel turn to Sam and speak.]

Jack: …you.

Daniel: (a beat later) Definitely you.

++++++++++++++

Jack: All things considered…Samantha…if we have to come back here, it might be a better idea if we brought an all male team. No offense.

Sam: Well, in view of the fact that you all get to go to this party tonight and I get to stay in this…yurt that smells like rancid yak butter, none taken.

++++++++++++++

Daniel: Well…Okay, let me talk to Moughal first, this might be another misunderstanding—cultural differences.

Jack: The hell with culture; a member of my team has been neutralized. That's a hostile act.

Daniel: How is it that you always come up with the worst-case scenario?

Jack: I practice.

++++++++++++++

Turghan: Now you are Tugai, women of the forest. What can you do? Can you cook? Spin weave, make dyes?

Sam: I'm a lousy cook, and I couldn't spin weave or dye if my life depended on it. You made yourself a bad deal.

++++++++++++++

Teal'c: But what will happen to Dr. Carter tonight if we wait?

Moughal: Turghan will partake in his newest purchase.

Jack: Oh, there's not a chance in hell.

++++++++++++++

Sam (smiling broadly): What a relief. I have never been so happy to see you guys.

Jack: Oh, sure you have! Remember that time on P3X-595?

[Sam starts to lose her smile.]

Jack: You drank that stuff that made you take off…

Sam: Ahem. We won't get into that now.

++++++++++++++

Then of course Sam fighting and beating Turghan...which I thought was cool...

So sure there were several awkward beats in this episode but I give them a pass as it was one of the first and the characters were still being established...

:cool:

Albion
August 14th, 2005, 01:12 PM
My main question was: Why didn't they send Sam back and deal with everything with the remaining three?

This was in fact the plan. Sam says that she'll just go back to the SGC and 'hope for better luck next time'. Jack says they'll all return to the SGC (presumably in the morning) and come back with an all male team. Unfortunately, she was kidnapped before morning came and they made it back to the gate.

And I'll admit it - this is one of my favourite episodes. What can I say? I'm a complete sucker for the old damsel in distress routine. And there is such a wealth of what attracts me to any show in this one - character relationship and a group of people showing they care about one another. Just makes me melt into a gooey puddle watching it. :p It has so many moments that I just adore from all concerned.

Sure there are problems with it here and there, a couple of points where I cringe, but they don't get in the way of enjoying it for me.

The one thing which I didn't get in this episode and would have liked to have seen, was Jack apologising to Sam for getting her into the mess in the first place and realising that he'd screwed up badly. It was his easy acceptance of her being treated differently - less than equal - from the rest of his team by the locals that led to her kidnap.

Had he stuck to his guns and insisted that she wasn't a local woman and therefore should be treated the same as the rest of SG1 or they would all leave back through the gate right there and then, then perhaps that kid wouldn't have gotten the idea that he could treat her as a native woman either.

Jack made Sam accessible to the locals by the way he allowed her to be treated. His actions in separating her from the rest of the team, putting her on a different level from himself, Daniel and Teal'c, devalued her in the eyes of the locals and put her on a level with their own women. Had them thinking of her as one of their own women. He put her in jeopardy by his actions. Granted, he was taking advice from Daniel, but I'd still have liked to have seen some acknowledgement from him at the end of the episode that the decision had been a bad one. That he'd failed in his duty of care as Sam's commanding officer.

Oh and I never found the dress surprising. Although the local women wore more subdued colours and less fancy clothing for day to day wear, I would imagine that they had fancy clothing tucked away for special festival or feasting days. What woman wouldn't? And since Sam was obviously being treated as an honoured guest, it therefore doesn't surprise me that one of the women - in fact probably the one with the highest status in the tribe, the chief's wife - given the task of loaning this honoured guest decent clothing, would loan her her fanciest dress as a mark of respect and honour, rather than some ordinary day wear.

Overall, I just love this one to bits. So sue me. :D

Albion :)

.:Lemon:.
August 24th, 2005, 06:39 AM
I know alot of people hate this episode, but I didn't actually think it was that bad! It's by no means my favourite ep, but it did have some fun moments in. It was only the 3rd episode afterall....cut the show some slack :p

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 12:51 AM
The 3rd episode and the first time we see SG-1 offworld together as a team (including Teal'C) it was well written i thought!

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Yeah well take into account they did not set up the characters real well and it was probably just testing the waters.........but bad eppy IMHO

sg1freak007
November 7th, 2005, 09:24 PM
it was an ok episode..i liked when same kicked butt and when she had on the dress and all the guys were googly eyes over her, that was funny! i missed the blood and gore stuff though =(

sg1freak007
November 7th, 2005, 09:24 PM
oops, i ment sam* =p

AGateFan
January 16th, 2006, 04:03 PM
oops, i ment sam* =p
Hey Emancipations on.... Lets all bask in the wonderful glow of one of the cheesest of Stargate episodes.... aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Look Helmuts.
Look really geeky Daniel
Movie music.
Yes, those wooden bow and arrows are a mighty threat to 1st season grumpy teal'c and his trusty staff weapon.

Awe and greate credits brings chills.....back after the commerical break.

AGateFan
January 16th, 2006, 04:15 PM
Hello native guy, meet Mr Firearm.
Were those dogs really that big a threat?
Make up the law as you go, good job old guy, still a bad hat though.
Looks cold... wonder when it was filmed.
Their back packs have gotten smaller over the years.
Define "clothes of a man", I mean aren't all the guys in this ep wearing dresses?
Properly attiared? not in a dress?.. good job Daniel get Carter in trouble... Jack took too much pleasure in that.
Wonder if they ever got the miracel drug.. another never followed up on point.
Teal'c looks like hes bored, even with Carters new look.
Jack and Daniel are twerps in this scene.
How come carter can beat the crp out of the cheif guy but gets shanhi'd by the punk kid? Thats just not right... she should have waxed the floor with him.

Commerical.

AGateFan
January 16th, 2006, 04:25 PM
Forgot to point out the MP5's... P90s are soooo much cooler.
Daniel still calling Carter Doctor.....wow....

Wow that was some bad dialouge between Carter and the Kid.
Now Finally Jack is Mr Military.... "How can you come up with the worst possible scenerio".... "I practice".... nice.

Teal'c Master Tracker!!!!
I think this Cheif guy has been, like, a bad guy in 5000 differnet movies... it seems like it, at least. MORTAL COMBAT!!! being the most obvious.

You should listen to her Chiefy. The boys are coming with Firearms and staff weapons. Exactly how are you going to explain this to your dad punk. More importantly, how are you going to explain it to Teal'c... you know, they guy with the big staff weapon.

Comercial... got to say... that upcoming stargate ep (ripple effect) better be as good as it looks, because its just got soooo much potential that if they mess that up I will be p o'd big time.

AGateFan
January 16th, 2006, 04:36 PM
It really is quite satisfying when Carter gets to beat the crp out of this guy.
Teal'c cracks me up... kinda gives that candy bar a look.... funny.
Yes, yes.... old guys is wise, we get it....and Daniel is still a geek.... thats what teal'c is thinking. Except he is using the jaffa word for geek, probably tack'ta or something like that.
ooooo, the punk's in wuuuvvvv.
Carter aaaahhhh warrior and scholar.... guess he wouldnt know what Scientist is. Your not scarry dude, your just cheesy.
Carters going to give you a beeeeaaaatttt ddddoooowwwwnnnn naw, naw, na na naw.
Maybe they should change her clothes to something more cook worthy.
Good horse.
dude, did you not get the warrior and scholar memo.
what!!!! forgot about the kiss...is Carter Kirking?

Comercial.... am i going to get in trouble for spaming this thread?
Is it spammin really spamming if no one is around to see it?

AGateFan
January 16th, 2006, 04:45 PM
Carter, not sure they are ready for emancipation....oh wait, thats the name of the ep... now I get it. ;)
"oohhh, theres not a chance in hell", nice line.
Bad negociating by the old guy cheif... Jack has to save the day. Jack will negociate the way Jack knows how to negociate. The best way.... with firearms. After Daniels goofy attempt... Carrtteeerrr.
wouldnt shooting a gun in a tent like that be really really loud.
Wow a TV show where they actually take into account the number or rounds in a clip.
Finally Carters back in some functional clothes.
Madness, love, same thing.
Stupid punk now comes back for help, slap him down T. He really is a cheiftians sun... spoiled brat.

Doh, commercial.

AGateFan
January 16th, 2006, 05:00 PM
Shes going to marry chewbacca? What'd he say?
Carter miss save the day.
Oooo bringing out the Ranks and the Mottos.
Comm'on Daniel, you guys interfere all the time. (is comm'on a goa'uld word?)
Think old guy, think..
Now I do, very much like how the Dad forgives his daughter before he goes to stone her to death.. Seriously, thats not a joke. I think that changed my opinion of open hate towards the guy. I had a bit of sympathy for him when Carter was woopen up on his az because of it.

Fight the cripple or fight Carter... either way you look bad when you lose. Wait, Carters not a Cheiftan, how come Jack doesnt fight. Did he just say "you played me"? :p

"When your backups up against a wall..... bigger they are...etc".... love that line.
Was Carter a gold glover at the Academy? Doh, knife fight.
Stunt lady gets a lot of work. Teal'c continues to look bored.
oooooooo....bbbbllooooddddd
She has a knife, he has a sword, how is that fair?? he needed a bigger sword.

You.have.won..... thats a big watch shes got on..
Jack is funny.... just his looks to the guy with the knife.
6 day wedding... bet there will be cake... Daniel is still a geek. Teal'c is STILL bored. But we do get the great "What is an Opra?" line out of him. Must have been filmed post production though.
Good smile from the team... very TOS smileying at end of ep.

yay... that really is an underratted ep.... dont get me wrong it was a lot of cheese, but man it is amusing when put in context with the rest of the series.

Well I hope you enjoyed my Emancipation play-by-play....

Hey dress blues... wait, this is broca divide... better stop now before the mods hunt me down. :D

Metarock Sam
January 27th, 2006, 10:46 AM
An ok episode but the problem with it is that it is an episode with no SGC in at all. And I guess it is one of the most unuals episodes you can see why something like this was never attempted again.

Pharaoh Atem
January 31st, 2006, 06:28 PM
this was a ok episode could had been better or not done at all.
this episode shows just how far stargate has coming writing wise and story creation

hope there locked out this planet from the dialing comcputer

andrelage
February 12th, 2006, 11:52 AM
didn't really like this episode as it had no action unless you include sam kicking that guy's ass action but overall not a good episode but at last they got to explore other planets

timdalton007
February 28th, 2006, 08:21 AM
I really liked this episode and don't understand why it seems to eb so hated. I thought the perofrmances were good,e specially Amanda Tapping who really pushed further into the character of Carter. The fight at the end remains one of my all time favorite action sequences from the seres. The humor was good and it was good to see SG-1 having a positive influence on a planet (how often does that happen these days?).

timdalton007

captain jake
May 3rd, 2006, 07:47 PM
(Caugh) This mission was by far one of the more pointless. If i was jack I would have got sam out of there so fast. Maybe then we could have got the job done quicker.

Commander Ivanova
May 4th, 2006, 12:36 AM
I always used to think Broca Divide was the worst episode ever. Having seen Emancipation again recently, I'm tempted to change my mind.

captain jake
May 4th, 2006, 04:08 PM
O you can't even compare the two missions, I realy liked the broca divide. But thats just my oppinion.

scarimor
June 6th, 2006, 06:56 AM
I like it. Much Carter, and Turgan's bodice-ripper dialogue is the icing on the cake :D

captain jake
June 6th, 2006, 08:25 PM
I dunno I don't think carter had found herself in this episode the true carter came a couple episodes later

L.A. Doyle
June 6th, 2006, 08:51 PM
(Caugh) This mission was by far one of the more pointless. If i was jack I would have got sam out of there so fast. Maybe then we could have got the job done quicker.

It wasn't pointless. They got some of the medicine to take back with them.

This was the first episode I ever saw. It came on at 9 p.m. on August 29, 2005. At 10 p.m. I was a Stargate Fan. :) :)

captain jake
June 6th, 2006, 09:54 PM
Haha thats funny that you remember the date.

L.A. Doyle
June 6th, 2006, 09:56 PM
Haha thats funny that you remember the date.

Oh, yes. It was a very important day! :D

I also remember it because that's when Katrina hit. I'd been watching the news and it just got so depressing... My roomie had Stargate Mondays on, so I watched the last one. The rest is history!

captain jake
June 6th, 2006, 09:59 PM
O ya what made the day memorable other then stargate was there a birthday or something?

O ya and this episode was totaly pointless. :jack:

ReganX
June 6th, 2006, 10:02 PM
It wasn't pointless. They got some of the medicine to take back with them.

I also think that "Emancipation" was a learning experience for the whole team, who were all getting their bearings when it came to offworld travel and dealing with other cultures. They made mistakes I think that they learned from them.

L.A. Doyle
June 6th, 2006, 10:05 PM
I also think that "Emancipation" was a learning experience for the whole team, who were all getting their bearings when it came to offworld travel and dealing with other cultures. They made mistakes I think that they learned from them.

That's true. It was all new to them. However, their mistake almost cost Sam dearly. Thank goodness everything turned out well.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:36 PM
i loved the way how sam kicked that guys ass did he die i cant remember i will have to watch this episode again

scarimor
July 20th, 2006, 01:48 AM
i loved the way how sam kicked that guys ass did he die i cant remember i will have to watch this episode again
No, he deserved to, but she let him live. Having had his ass kicked (and by a woman in a male-dominated society) he probably didn't last long as a leader after that.

Sheppard
July 20th, 2006, 02:27 AM
yeah probely

Chaka's_Mum
August 10th, 2006, 10:41 PM
No, he deserved to, but she let him live. Having had his ass kicked (and by a woman in a male-dominated society) he probably didn't last long as a leader after that.

Either that or he kicked a few heads to prove he was still a great warrior and managed to hang on to something resembling his dignity, but was remembered ever after as the 'Great Leader Who Got His Butt Whupped By A Woman - And She Didn't Even Let Him Die'.

A lot of syllables, I know - but it's the basis for a great drinking song, I reckon.;)

Have to admit that this is a really daft episode (and about as subtle as a sledgehammer in a fruitbowl), but it was fun watching Sam give that chauvinistic moron a thwacking. Go :sam: !

AGateFan
August 13th, 2006, 02:02 PM
Well I had already done a commentary on this ep previously so today’s review should be relatively short.

Good to see the team in their geeky helmets. Its funny to see Teal’c with the exaggerated scowl on his face...old habits are hard to break for first primes.

This is the first and last time we deal with the “women” issues (well until what S7 or whatever when you get the Amazons) After this Carter is just one of the team (who happens to be a women).

Her slapping the guy around and the mention that she has had hand to hand training is good character development for her. Not much character development for the guys other then Teal’c is a tracker and Jack negotiates well with firearms.

Ok it’s not the greatest and we got slapped over the head with the womens lib thing but at least we got some character development and some great TEAM interaction. They were working together to help the people of this planet. There were also a coup funny lines, even by Teal’c. For a "get your feet wet" ep it was actually pretty decent.

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 13th, 2006, 03:05 PM
I wasn't a big fan of this episode, though it was cool to see the first real development of Amanda Tapping's character.

shperaclu
August 27th, 2006, 01:14 PM
Despite everything, this is one of the few episodes where you can see Jack be amused of something! :D :jack_new_anime06:

SamO'Neill
September 10th, 2006, 01:24 PM
I actually liked this episode. Although at times it was awkward, it was a good team episode. We also got to see Sam kicking some serious butt!

And the dress. And Jack's comment. Hehe.

meredithchandler73
November 7th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Albion said,
Sure there are problems with it here and there, a couple of points where I cringe, but they don't get in the way of enjoying it for me.

I first watched this episode a couple of months ago. (I started watching SG-1 a couple of months ago and just finished watching all the episodes so far.) Before rewatching it, all I seemed to remember were most of the cringe-worthy stuff. (I didn't become a fan of the show until I was about halfway thru season 1.) Looking at it now, I'm noticing a lot more stuff that I enjoy about it:

--First time I watched this ep, I remember thinking that the blue dress was hideous - which on 2nd viewing, I don't think it is. The headdress is still pretty bad, but again - not quite as bad as I remember it.
--What really makes the blue dress tolerable - the *awesome* reactions from the guys when they see her in the dress. Come on! How cute was that?!?! As someone else noted, it's fun to see Jack so amused. He really seems to be digging Carter in the dress.
--The dialogue wasn't always fantastic, but you gotta love Carter's defiance and her spirit. She says, "I'm a warrior and a scholar" and I just thought, "Yes. And that's why I love you."
--Carter kicking butt in the fight. Sweet.
--And someone else pointed out in their post - it's nice to see SG-1 affect a positive change after visiting. It seems that there were many more episodes of how SG-1 had a screwed up and made things worse on different worlds.

So, I'm in the camp that really liked this episode. It is in no way the worst, IMHO.

scarimor
November 8th, 2006, 12:52 AM
--The dialogue wasn't always fantastic, but you gotta love Carter's defiance and her spirit. She says, "I'm a warrior and a scholar" and I just thought, "Yes. And that's why I love you."
I like that line very much too. She uses terms which are meaningful to the culture in which she finds herself, and they are so true.

Chaka's_Mum
November 9th, 2006, 10:51 PM
The other interesting thing about it is that it sounds so paradoxical - even to us in some ways.

Scholars aren't supposed to fight, and warriors aren't supposed to think - and, to add insult to injury, the Scholastic Soldier is a woman!:eek:

It's still a silly ep - primarily because it drives in the whole 'Subjugation-Of-Women:Bad' thing with all the subtlety of a Pile-driver and is chock full of clichés. It has it's moments, though ("What is an 'Oprah'?" for starters); so it's not completely unwelcome in my DVD Box-set.:)

angelfire east
March 23rd, 2007, 06:05 PM
Man the dialogue really isn't that great, the plot had it's failing and Turghan's daughter really didn't look like she was related to him ( or anyone else for that matter). But since it's only the thrid episode and most shows the early episodes aren't that graeat I forgive it.

Sam blue dress would have looked really nice if it didn't have those over sized shoulders lol And I agree with

Things would also have been better if they had the kid took Sam out with some of his drugs rather then have him take her then later she can best a Cheif *rolleyes*

The ending with the girls being free was a litle over the top cuase IMO it would have taken more then what Sam did.

Anyway thing episode did have a lot of laughs in it like when the boys saw Sam in her dress, and most of Jack's comments. I really laughed at Daniel reaction to Sam in that dress lol he looks so young and inncount. Also I liked Teal'c's "What is an Oprah?" line.


I know that this is a bit off-topic, considering the previous posts, but has anyone noticed a little mishap(if you can call it that) in the episode. In the very beginning of the episode, in the scene where the camera shows all of the team standing and starting to run to help Abu, AT gives a laugh and says something. There is no sound of that, so its difficult to understand what she´s saying, but it looks like she´s saying "what". Maybe Chris Judge(it appears that his lips are moving but its hard to make out) was telling her a joke and the guys at the montage department noticed it too late to cut it out. :D ...anyway, i don´t mind, she has a beatiful smile :)

I noitced that! She was laughing as she was running after the kid when the dogs are atttacking. I don't mind either, it was goof but it was cute.


Kill me now, if you wish, but I've got to say that so far, this is my favorite episode. I thought it was hilarious, I LOVED the looks on the guy's faces when they saw her. I agree on the dress though. She was dressed up too fancy considering what the other women were wearing. And I wouldn't think that a place like that would have a dress that makes you stare down a mile of clevage. What, did they have that laying around just in case some Earth women showed up? Other than that, I loved it.

LOL I agree.

garhkal
March 23rd, 2007, 11:50 PM
It did show that the Tau'ri (In this case SG-1.) was gunna be stirring up trouble though.

That it did...



And I still don't buy that she would have ben able to beat that guy in a knife fight.

Same here. I mean, if she is so good a fighter, how did she have time for all those other 'specialties' she is supposed to have??


Well, she's in the military, so she does have the killer instinct. She just prefers not to kill if there's a chance. Not to mention, the guy was the chieftain of 22 tribes, if he died there would have been a power struggle that could have been pretty bloody.


That 'chieftian' part is what i really hated. If he truely was a chieftian, he would have a hell of a lot more hand to hand combat experience. And since sam has had all that 'scientist training' etc, i cannot realistically see her getting anywhere near as good a training in fighting. Even on the off chance she did' training, is no substitute to actual combat experience.


this episode was hilarous. and the oh-so-subtle insinuations towards islamic culture, classic. *laughing uncontrollably*


IIRC it was more towards nomadic mongol culture, which is very similar in the way they treat women..


Basiclly Sam would have had alot of different ways of winning the fight, where as Mr. Mongol could only rely on his brute strength.

If that is true, i serously doubt mr mongol would have survived to be chieftian of so many tribes..


This episode left me thinking "what a waste of 45 minutes". The theme was very tacky girl-power, not at all subtle. It bore no relation to the previous episodes, and the plot was a little suspect. If she could beat the chief in the knife fight then why couldnt she beat the teenage boy when he took her captive.

That latter part is what i have been wondering since the day i first saw this ep.. And i do agree, it was a little 'tacky' in pushing the 'girl power' theme.



It's still a silly ep - primarily because it drives in the whole 'Subjugation-Of-Women:Bad' thing with all the subtlety of a Pile-driver and is chock full of clichés.

Which to he is part of the main reason i cannot stand it. I have no prob giving women/minorities their props, i hate it when i get 'they are special and should be equal' stuff (like all the 'history month celebration things') shoved down my throat.


It has it's moments, though ("What is an 'Oprah'?" for starters); so it's not completely unwelcome in my DVD Box-set.:)

Even with that funny line, and the dress stuff, those could not redeam it in my eyes..

Commander Ivanova
March 24th, 2007, 11:53 AM
If this ep was the only oasis in the middle of an SG1 desert, I would not watch it. That's how bad I thought it was. Gah!

Trek_Girl42
March 30th, 2007, 02:14 PM
If this ep was the only oasis in the middle of an SG1 desert, I would not watch it. That's how bad I thought it was. Gah!
I second that- the only good moment was the Oprah line, the rest was just plain painful. And that dress was.....ugh.

SamCarterFan
April 12th, 2007, 01:30 AM
I absolutely LOVED this episode! this was actually the very first episode I ever saw of Stargate, and ofcourse I became a huge fan of Sam/Amanda.
I mean even though Turghan could've killed her at any moment she still kept being defiant. I loved it, like when she said "do you have to sell your daughter off to make it 23?". I was like oh oh he's gonna kill her now, I loved that look on her face, like she didn't care. Oh and BTW I think that dress looked absolutely perfect on her ;)

scarimor
April 12th, 2007, 10:28 AM
I absolutely LOVED this episode! this was actually the very first episode I ever saw of Stargate, and ofcourse I became a huge fan of Sam/Amanda.
I mean even though Turghan could've killed her at any moment she still kept being defiant. I loved it, like when she said "do you have to sell your daughter off to make it 23?". I was like oh oh he's gonna kill her now, I loved that look on her face, like she didn't care. Oh and BTW I think that dress looked absolutely perfect on her ;)
I'm with you on everything except the dress :D

(I think I will re-watch this one tonight. I'm getting nostalgic for it :))

Saganite
May 3rd, 2007, 11:56 PM
I'm with you on everything except the dress :D

(I think I will re-watch this one tonight. I'm getting nostalgic for it :))

count me in. The dress should have been way better.

but that's just it, this episode is one of hits and misses. so the question becomes, did the hits outweigh the misses, I think the clear answer is Yes.

I <3 Dr. Carter. :o :sam: :o

garhkal
May 4th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Not for me...

Harlan's Speechwriter
May 5th, 2007, 12:01 PM
I thought that this episode was quite good when I first started watching Stargate. Then I saw Season 2 and now, a good way through Season 3, I've seen something of how good the series can be, and Emancipation doesn't seem so good anymore.

It's always good to see Sam getting stuck in with the action though, proving she is both extremely intelligent and tough.

Chaka's_Mum
May 7th, 2007, 10:42 PM
I thought that this episode was quite good when I first started watching Stargate. Then I saw Season 2 and now, a good way through Season 3, I've seen something of how good the series can be, and Emancipation doesn't seem so good anymore.

It's always good to see Sam getting stuck in with the action though, proving she is both extremely intelligent and tough.

It's amazing how one's perception changes over time, isn't it?:samanime20:

Anthony
May 8th, 2007, 05:46 AM
I thought that this episode was quite good when I first started watching Stargate. Then I saw Season 2 and now, a good way through Season 3, I've seen something of how good the series can be, and Emancipation doesn't seem so good anymore.

It's always good to see Sam getting stuck in with the action though, proving she is both extremely intelligent and tough.That's the thing with this episode, the first time you see it, you dont think 'This episode was crap', but once you plough through all 10 seasons, and all of Atlantis, you go back and watch Emancipation, and then you think 'Well, I won't be watching this one again'. ;)

Commander Ivanova
May 8th, 2007, 10:02 AM
That's the thing with this episode, the first time you see it, you dont think 'This episode was crap', but once you plough through all 10 seasons, and all of Atlantis, you go back and watch Emancipation, and then you think 'Well, I won't be watching this one again'. ;)

With you on this, except I DID think it was crap first time round ;)

Dumper
May 8th, 2007, 11:55 AM
With you on this, except I DID think it was crap first time round ;)

Me too, i didn't like it at all. In fact for me it's one of the worst Stargate episodes, but it was early in the series so i'll let them off.:)

Harlan's Speechwriter
May 8th, 2007, 12:10 PM
There are still a couple of bits I like from this one: the look of shock on the men's faces when seeing Sam in a dress for the first time, and Teal'c's "What is an Oprah?" line.

meredithchandler73
May 8th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Because it seemed appropriate, I'm quoting myself:


I first watched this episode a couple of months ago. (I started watching SG-1 a couple of months ago and just finished watching all the episodes so far.) Before rewatching it, all I seemed to remember were most of the cringe-worthy stuff. (I didn't become a fan of the show until I was about halfway thru season 1.) Looking at it now, I'm noticing a lot more stuff that I enjoy about it:

--First time I watched this ep, I remember thinking that the blue dress was hideous - which on 2nd viewing, I don't think it is. The headdress is still pretty bad, but again - not quite as bad as I remember it.
--What really makes the blue dress tolerable - the *awesome* reactions from the guys when they see her in the dress. Come on! How cute was that?!?! As someone else noted, it's fun to see Jack so amused. He really seems to be digging Carter in the dress.
--The dialogue wasn't always fantastic, but you gotta love Carter's defiance and her spirit. She says, "I'm a warrior and a scholar" and I just thought, "Yes. And that's why I love you."
--Carter kicking butt in the fight. Sweet.
--And someone else pointed out in their post - it's nice to see SG-1 affect a positive change after visiting. It seems that there were many more episodes of how SG-1 had a screwed up and made things worse on different worlds.

So, I'm in the camp that really liked this episode. It is in no way the worst, IMHO.

I suppose I'm one of those people that mostly looks for the glimmers of good rather than focusing on all the stuff I don't like. That's part of the beauty of DVDs - you can just skip over what you don't enjoy. :)

Chaka's_Mum
May 14th, 2007, 10:53 PM
I suppose I'm one of those people that mostly looks for the glimmers of good rather than focusing on all the stuff I don't like. That's part of the beauty of DVDs - you can just skip over what you don't enjoy. :)

I'd go with that. Despite the naff bits (of which there are plenty!) it has its moments, so I am prepared to sit through it. Occasionally.

I'm not so enamoured of the 'Warrior and Scholar' line because it sounds so incredibly cliche'd - but on the other hand, what else could she say that would have made sense to the people she was talking to? Besides, it's true - she's a soldier and an academic.

I just wish she could have been given a way to express it a bit less, well, naffly.

Harlan's Speechwriter
May 15th, 2007, 01:47 PM
I'm not so enamoured of the 'Warrior and Scholar' line because it sounds so incredibly cliche'd - but on the other hand, what else could she say that would have made sense to the people she was talking to? Besides, it's true - she's a soldier and an academic.

I just wish she could have been given a way to express it a bit less, well, naffly.

I agree - but then, she was 'thinking on her feet' and was also pretty het up, and a whole mix of other emotions too. It would hardly have been natural if she'd come out with the perfect speech.

HelloVelo
May 17th, 2008, 11:35 PM
This episode is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Kudos to Amanda Tapping for saying "rancid yak butter" with a straight face.

4/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/emancipation.html

starshineRoxie
June 10th, 2008, 02:46 PM
I thought this episode was one of the best for a Season 1 episode. I'll be honest, when I think of Mongol men, I always envision the worst kind of chauvinistic male, like Turghan. I was pleasantly surprised by the concept of a male like Moughal, that had all the power his culture could give him, yet still believed in loving one woman and respecting women in general, even when he didn't have to. Now that is something that impresses me. It was a bonus that Sam Carter used her basic training from the military to kick Turghan's behind. I don't care what anyone says, no one, man or woman, could have won a fight against a Mongol without proper fighter training. That fight truly established Sam Carter's military aspect. http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/sam/sam60.gif

And I will never believe that any society that does NOT treat and respect men and women as equals in all social and economic aspects, will eventually become a truly great one ever. :hammond15: :sam59:

L E E
June 24th, 2008, 05:01 AM
Poor Sam. Forced to wear that horrible dress and head dress. LOL! and of course being treated like an object.

But then she got even in the end so... Go Sam!

Mongols know English! Wow.

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 11:02 AM
At the end of the episode they clearly establish that by law another tribal leader can protest the stoning of a person. Because Sam said that she was a leader among her people, she could protest the stoning of Nya. This protest would lead to a fight to the death with th tribal leader who authorized the stoning.

Now my question is, why did Jack stand by and allow Sam, one of his subordinates to fight Turghan when in fact he is the "Tribal Leader" and it is his responsibility. Jack has years of special ops training and despite the fact that Sam has military training it seemed out of character for Jack to take the risk.

Nikki
June 25th, 2008, 04:51 PM
At the end of the episode they clearly establish that by law another tribal leader can protest the stoning of a person. Because Sam said that she was a leader among her people, she could protest the stoning of Nya. This protest would lead to a fight to the death with th tribal leader who authorized the stoning.

Now my question is, why did Jack stand by and allow Sam, one of his subordinates to fight Turghan when in fact he is the "Tribal Leader" and it is his responsibility. Jack has years of special ops training and despite the fact that Sam has military training it seemed out of character for Jack to take the risk.

Because earlier, when trying to trade for Sam, Daniel told Turghan that Sam was their leader.

Mughal: "He speaks truly. In the land of Ogada, the women are as ours were long ago."

Daniel: "That and more! Carter is our chieftain, our people need her."

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Because earlier, when trying to trade for Sam, Daniel told Turghan that Sam was their leader.

Mughal: "He speaks truly. In the land of Ogada, the women are as ours were long ago."

Daniel: "That and more! Carter is our chieftain, our people need her."

If you would have read my entire post you would have seen that I touched on that, but who is to say that Jack is not a leader of a different tribe? If I was Jack I would have said I am the Military chieftain and she is a spiritual leader for us. Therefore I am going to fight you.

It is not in Jack's character to stand by and watch as Carter almost got her head chopped off.

Nikki
June 25th, 2008, 05:40 PM
If you would have read my entire post you would have seen that I touched on that, but who is to say that Jack is not a leader of a different tribe? If I was Jack I would have said I am the Military chieftain and she is a spiritual leader for us. Therefore I am going to fight you.

It is not in Jack's character to stand by and watch as Carter almost got her head chopped off.

Try reading my post again...Daniel said she was their leader, which included Jack and Teal'c as well, as they were standing with Daniel.

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Try reading my post again...Daniel said she was their leader, which included Jack and Teal'c as well, as they were standing with Daniel.

I took it as meaning their people in general.

However, for the sake of argument Daniel could have been saying she is our spiritual leader. Besides you saw how many loopholes there are in tribal law, it wouldn't be hard to convince them of the fact that jack was their military leader. Face it proving something is possible is a lot easier than proving that it is impossible. Your saying that it is impossible that Turgan would have fought Jack I'm saying it is completely in the realm of possibility. Your attempt to prove me wrong is nearly impossible.

All I am saying is that it Jack normally would take all responsibility.

Like in a who should I shoot first sittuation, Jack would always say shoot me.

Nikki
June 25th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I took it as meaning their people in general.

However, for the sake of argument Daniel could have been saying she is our spiritual leader. Besides you saw how many loopholes there are in tribal law, it wouldn't be hard to convince them of the fact that jack was their military leader. Face it proving something is possible is a lot easier than proving that it is impossible. Your saying that it is impossible that Turgan would have fought Jack I'm saying it is completely in the realm of possibility. Your attempt to prove me wrong is nearly impossible.

All I am saying is that it Jack normally would take all responsibility.

Like in a who should I shoot first sittuation, Jack would always say shoot me.

I'm not saying they couldn't have convinced them into letting Jack fight somehow but all I'm saying is that Daniel said Sam was their (SG1's/their people's) leader.

At the start of the fight Jack didn't think it was necessary to make up some half-baked story, so that he could fight Turghan. Like you I also believe that Jack wouldn't put Sam's life in danger if he could help it, but the thing is, is that a) he probably thought she could take Turghan (or at least had a chance) and b) that even if she did lose, she'd just be a little roughed up. And at least he supported a member of his team and wasn't always mothering them.

He didn't expect the fight to be 'to the death'. And when he realised it was he tried to stop it, but Turghan's men held knives to SG1's and Munghal's throats. He knew that if he carried on trying to stop the fight, Daniel, Munghal or Teal'c could've gotten hurt or died...and instead of taking the risk of trying to convince Turghan at that time that 'actually hang on a minute, I'm a different kinda leader so fight me instead' he knew that if Sam was actually in serious danger...as in 'knife to her throat, take your last breath' kinda thing, all he had to do was put a bullet through Turghan's head...or anywhere (hence, showing a clip of Jack's finger on the trigger); that would be distraction enough for Sam to reclaim the upper hand, if Turghan wasn't dead.

And I'm sure the guys with knives would've backed off after seeing what their weapons could do as well. No harm no foul. So IMO, everything Jack did was in character.

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Does anybody else think that in the beginning when Abu was running from the dog's that it was quite a coincidence that they had just stepped out of the gate? However the coincidences didn't stop there two men on horse show up, but wait then the leader of the entire village shows up on his horse. I mean couldn't they have just walked into town like normal intergalactic travelers.

Cheerful Dragon
July 3rd, 2008, 06:42 AM
Does anybody else think that in the beginning when Abu was running from the dog's that it was quite a coincidence that they had just stepped out of the gate? However the coincidences didn't stop there two men on horse show up, but wait then the leader of the entire village shows up on his horse. I mean couldn't they have just walked into town like normal intergalactic travelers.

When Abu shows up, SG-1 hadn't just stepped out of the gate. They had walked some distance from the gate and were commenting on the lack of evidence of people. I agree that it was quite a coincidence that men showed up on horses. (I thought it was three, not two, plus the chieftain, but I could be wrong.)

I'm not sure what the writers/producers were trying to do with this episode. In fact, it made me think they weren't sure what to do with Sam. In the pilot episode, they had her doing an 'I'm as tough as you' speech. In this episode, first they dress her up to look ultra feminine, then they have her beating a man in hand to hand combat. It's probably not until episodes 5 (The First Commandment) and 6 (Cold Lazarus) that Carter gets to be herself.

I like episodes that rely more on characters and story than on special effects. This one was too uneven to rank as a favourite, though.

scarimor
July 3rd, 2008, 09:13 AM
I'm not sure what the writers/producers were trying to do with this episode. In fact, it made me think they weren't sure what to do with Sam.
It was a big lesson for O'Neill, really: you don't get to abandon one of your team on her own just because it suits the locals' sensibilities. You stick together and watch each other's backs.

captain jake
July 3rd, 2008, 05:44 PM
It was a big lesson for O'Neill, really: you don't get to abandon one of your team on her own just because it suits the locals' sensibilities. You stick together and watch each other's backs.

I agree that this was a key mistake in the episode, however the same thing has been done in countless other episodes since then.

Cheerful Dragon
July 3rd, 2008, 09:53 PM
It was a big lesson for O'Neill, really: you don't get to abandon one of your team on her own just because it suits the locals' sensibilities. You stick together and watch each other's backs.

O'Neill would have done a risk assessment and decided that there was no danger to Carter if she was left alone. The problems arose because he based his assessment on Western culture. He ignored the fact that Abu's love for Nya might make him do something that, while unacceptable to most humans, was OK by Shavadai standards.

captain jake
July 3rd, 2008, 10:09 PM
O'Neill would have done a risk assessment and decided that there was no danger to Carter if she was left alone. The problems arose because he based his assessment on Western culture. He ignored the fact that Abu's love for Nya might make him do something that, while unacceptable to most humans, was OK by Shavadai standards.

LMAO!!! You think Jack left carter alone because he didn't take tribal politics into account? I promise you that he left her alone because he knew that she could defend herself. Which she could have when she was awake, but we have to remember that this was late into the night. Jack and Daniel were most likely asleep in a tent near by. The reason she was taken was because it was an "inside job", Abu had access to that tent because he was the Chieftains son. If it had been anybody else I bet guards would have stopped what was going on.

Cheerful Dragon
July 3rd, 2008, 10:23 PM
LMAO!!! You think Jack left carter alone because he didn't take tribal politics into account? I promise you that he left her alone because he knew that she could defend herself. Which she could have when she was awake, but we have to remember that this was late into the night. Jack and Daniel were most likely asleep in a tent near by. The reason she was taken was because it was an "inside job", Abu had access to that tent because he was the Chieftains son. If it had been anybody else I bet guards would have stopped what was going on.

Abu entered from the back of the tent, not from the front, so even if there had been any guards they wouldn't have seen him. I'm sure he came from the back because Carter's sleeping area was at the back and he reaches forward over her shoulder to hold the knife to her throat. If he'd come through the entrance, she'd have been awake before he reached her and she'd have been able to defend herself.

And it wasn't a matter of tribal politics. At that point, as far as I remember, SG-1 weren't fully aware of the situation between the Shavadai and the Toughai. (I could be wrong.) I don't think Jack expected Abu to do what he did and Abu's father was as shocked as the rest of SG-1. Taking a guest probably goes against tribal rules of hospitality, even if the guest is 'only' a woman.

captain jake
July 3rd, 2008, 11:31 PM
Abu entered from the back of the tent, not from the front, so even if there had been any guards they wouldn't have seen him. I'm sure he came from the back because Carter's sleeping area was at the back and he reaches forward over her shoulder to hold the knife to her throat. If he'd come through the entrance, she'd have been awake before he reached her and she'd have been able to defend herself.

And it wasn't a matter of tribal politics. At that point, as far as I remember, SG-1 weren't fully aware of the situation between the Shavadai and the Toughai. (I could be wrong.) I don't think Jack expected Abu to do what he did and Abu's father was as shocked as the rest of SG-1. Taking a guest probably goes against tribal rules of hospitality, even if the guest is 'only' a woman.

So I am supposed to believe that guards would only guard the entrance of a cloth tent? They would be walking patrols around the general area, not standing in front of the entrance. He was able to get around the guard patrols because he was the son of the chieftain.

You need to re-think the second part of your post because I have no idea what your talking about.

Cheerful Dragon
July 4th, 2008, 12:50 AM
So I am supposed to believe that guards would only guard the entrance of a cloth tent? They would be walking patrols around the general area, not standing in front of the entrance. He was able to get around the guard patrols because he was the son of the chieftain.

You need to re-think the second part of your post because I have no idea what your talking about.

Firstly, we have no way of knowing that there were any guards at all. From what I can tell about those 'Mongols', nobody would enter a woman's tent unless they were women or male family members - husband, father, brothers. It was taboo to even look at the face of a strange woman. Remember Abu's reaction when he realised Carter was a woman? He held up his hand and looked away so that he couldn't see her face. There probably would have been no need to guard the tent. And, yes, guards often would just guard the entrance. Nobody would be expected to enter by any other route. Even if there were walking patrols those can be got round if you know their routine, and if you are patient. Walking patrols would guard the whole camp, not just one tent. I don't see why guards would be patrolling round the tent of a single strange woman anyway. Based on the culture as depicted, she wouldn't be regarded as important enough to be guarded. I don't think being the chieftains son would necessarily have any bearing on Abu's ability to get in.

Regarding the second part of my post, you said in a previous post "You think Jack left carter alone because he didn't take tribal politics into account?" Jack, as far as I can tell, didn't know about the tribal politics. He certainly didn't think that Carter would be abducted. Many old cultures, particularly nomadic ones like the Mongols and the early Arabs, had traditions of hospitality to travellers. While somebody was staying with you as a guest, their lives and property were virtually sacred. They were not attacked or robbed. That's what I meant by the father being shocked and rules of hospitality being broken.

If that's not what you don't understand, let me know.:confused:

scarimor
July 4th, 2008, 02:31 AM
It is precisely because you don't know the ins and outs of an encounter (the tribal "politics", the cultural norms, the tactical situation, etc.) that you should stick together and watch each others backs as a best preparation for all eventualities.

Cheerful Dragon
July 4th, 2008, 06:13 AM
It is precisely because you don't know the ins and outs of an encounter (the tribal "politics", the cultural norms, the tactical situation, etc.) that you should stick together and watch each others backs as a best preparation for all eventualities.

I agree that Jack shouldn't have left Carter on her own, but I can think of several reasons why it happened. One of the 'cultural norms' may have been that no man should enter a woman's tent unless they were married or family members. The chieftain may have offered assurances that Carter would not be harmed, both because of the taboo on entering a woman's tent and because of the rules of hospitality. Even so, Jack could have explained that it's an Earth 'cultural norm' that no woman is left unprotected at night. And if Daniel tried to force them to go along with the tribe's 'cultural norms', Jack would have been within his rights to override him.

Of course, we don't know what went on at the 'party' Carter wasn't allowed to attend. It may have been that the rest of the team ended up so 'out of it' that they fell asleep where they were, or had to be guided to a tent to sleep it off.

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 06:55 AM
Ok here is my straight and simple opinion no complicated long post.

Captain Samantha Carter was captured by an unforeseeable enemy. It was not the fault of Colonel Jack O'Neill, Teal'c, or Daniel Jackson all of whom were sleeping at the time of the abduction. It was their swift action that lead to the extraction and safe revival of Samantha Carter. However, as commander of SG-1 Colonel O'Neill should have taken it upon himself to fight Turghan in order to save Nya. I believe this mistake was out of character for Colonel Jack O'Neill therefore he shouldn't be reprimanded in any way. Though I did find it odd.

Pic
July 6th, 2008, 06:00 AM
Ok here is my straight and simple opinion no complicated long post.

Captain Samantha Carter was captured by an unforeseeable enemy. It was not the fault of Colonel Jack O'Neill, Teal'c, or Daniel Jackson all of whom were sleeping at the time of the abduction. It was their swift action that lead to the extraction and safe revival of Samantha Carter. However, as commander of SG-1 Colonel O'Neill should have taken it upon himself to fight Turghan in order to save Nya. I believe this mistake was out of character for Colonel Jack O'Neill therefore he shouldn't be reprimanded in any way. Though I did find it odd.

Well, Daniel had already told them that Sam was a chieftain and needed by her tribe. They couldn't very well go back on that. As painful as the gender oppression in this episode was, I don't think they could've ended it any other way.
I think having O'Neill fight Turghan would've been the absolute wrong message to send (to the fictional tribe of Mongols as well as to fans). I think they were trying to say "Yes, she's a woman and she's a Captain in the military" with everything that comes along with that. Not, "We've got seven-of-nine" kind of female-cyborg-strength in a sexy-cat-suit thing going on, but Jack is our hero and he'll be the only one to save the day.

captain jake
July 6th, 2008, 06:17 AM
Well, Daniel had already told them that Sam was a chieftain and needed by her tribe. They couldn't very well go back on that. As painful as the gender oppression in this episode was, I don't think they could've ended it any other way.
I think having O'Neill fight Turghan would've been the absolute wrong message to send (to the fictional tribe of Mongols as well as to fans). I think they were trying to say "Yes, she's a woman and she's a Captain in the military" with everything that comes along with that. Not, "We've got seven-of-nine" kind of female-cyborg-strength in a sexy-cat-suit thing going on, but Jack is our hero and he'll be the only one to save the day.

That was the problem with this episode, they were worrying about sending a message and forgot about being realistic. Jack O'Neill should have dealt with the situation as the commanding officer.

L E E
July 10th, 2008, 12:09 AM
IMO, Jack should have posted one person to watch Carter's six. Not because she's female. But because she is a member of his team and they are in a strange territory no matter how friendly the people are. This is SOP, isn't it?

Pic
July 19th, 2008, 10:06 AM
IMO, Jack should have posted one person to watch Carter's six. Not because she's female. But because she is a member of his team and they are in a strange territory no matter how friendly the people are. This is SOP, isn't it?

Probably, but it wouldn't have fit in with the plot I suppose... ;)

L E E
July 22nd, 2008, 09:18 PM
Probably, but it wouldn't have fit in with the plot I suppose... ;)

Oh yes. The PLOT. :)

pritnep
July 25th, 2008, 04:17 AM
I originally remembered this episode as "one of the boring ones" however when I first watched SG-1 on TV all the way through and my past DVD viewings I was much younger then I know am - in short I was wrong.

It was an interesting episode with an interesting concept for Gate travel, do they have the right to interfere with other cultures and tell them what is right/wrong? Unlike Star Trek's Federation the SGC (at least yet) doesn't have a Prime Directive so as we saw it was left at the digression of the team commanding officer.

I loved how they started the episode, almost a showing off of the Gate and special effects but it was very cool. GI-Carter she kicked male behind. Hehe I love the conversation at the end; Jack "damn guess I'm going to have to cancel that Oprah interview" Teal'c "What is an Oprah" HAHA!

Funny how Daniel (as the civilian) only have a sidearm initially and later becomes a formidable warrior. And Teal'c the strong, silent warrior of few words but when he speaks they are good or funny.

I had to laugh when Daniel and Jack were looking at Carter after she got changed into the clothes of the people, probably the first time they had seen her out of uniform - Teal'c just looking puzzeled at both of them going gaga. The few smirks and almost flirty remarks from Jack probably shows the first bit of interest between the two - if you want to look at it that way anyway.

Overall another good episode, finished Disc 1. :)

L E E
July 31st, 2008, 05:41 AM
It was an interesting episode with an interesting concept for Gate travel, do they have the right to interfere with other cultures and tell them what is right/wrong? Unlike Star Trek's Federation the SGC (at least yet) doesn't have a Prime Directive so as we saw it was left at the digression of the team commanding officer.


The first of many episodes like this.

ValaDee
August 6th, 2008, 08:52 PM
I thought this episode was kinda silly. It was also a bit pointless, other than showing that Carter was bowing to no man, other than through rank.

It did show that the Tau'ri (In this case SG-1.) was gunna be stirring up trouble though.

Why did you think it was silly? Women shouldn't bow down to men and Sam was just letting them know that...:cool:

Pic
August 7th, 2008, 10:55 AM
Why did you think it was silly? Women shouldn't bow down to men and Sam was just letting them know that...:cool:

No, this Emancipation picspam (http://collswan.livejournal.com/21676.html#cutid1) is what is silly.
:D

gateship15
August 24th, 2008, 11:32 PM
this was a great episode i just love sam in a dress she altho she's a tomboy and her trying to do things a girl in those customs would do like cooking

Esquin
November 14th, 2008, 01:59 AM
Im sure this has been brought up but they should have just wiped the damn sexist jerks out of existence. Can't have war if they're all dead.

To hell with cultural freedom, line them up and ask each of them in turn i their women can be free. Each guy who says no, shoot him in the face. Problem solved, everybody wins.

Mousie
November 14th, 2008, 02:23 AM
Yes, that's a brilliant way to solve problems isn't it, just kill everyone who doesn't agree with your ways.

Change takes time, the way the women where treated is wrong by our standards but not by theirs. With their exposure to different ways and ideas change will happen.

Muh_tuttles
November 14th, 2008, 02:26 AM
Im sure this has been brought up but they should have just wiped the damn sexist jerks out of existence. Can't have war if they're all dead.

To hell with cultural freedom, line them up and ask each of them in turn i their women can be free. Each guy who says no, shoot him in the face. Problem solved, everybody wins.

Uh, everyone wins except for the dead guys :rolleyes:

Dumper
November 14th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Im sure this has been brought up but they should have just wiped the damn sexist jerks out of existence. Can't have war if they're all dead.

To hell with cultural freedom, line them up and ask each of them in turn i their women can be free. Each guy who says no, shoot him in the face. Problem solved, everybody wins.


So you prefer murder to sexism? :confused:

Pic
November 20th, 2008, 10:00 AM
Uh, everyone wins except for the dead guys :rolleyes:

:lol:

SG Master
January 21st, 2009, 12:16 PM
This episode left me thinking "what a waste of 45 minutes". The theme was very tacky girl-power, not at all subtle. It bore no relation to the previous episodes, and the plot was a little suspect. If she could beat the chief in the knife fight then why couldnt she beat the teenage boy when he took her captive. In fact, the only things that redeemed this episode were a couple of good jokes. Hopefully this was the low-point of season 1: surely it can only get better?

Honestly, this is not that unbelievable. First of all there was more than one guy there when she was kidnapped. Besides that it was the middle of the night and she was probably still half asleep. Also when she was fighting Turghan, she had a weapon and the attack was not a surprise. And finally, her fight with Turghan was not just to save herself. She was also fighting for Nya. I do not understand why everyone hates this episode so much. It was not THAT bad.

gateship15
January 27th, 2009, 09:59 PM
i like this episode yea the alian world was a bit sexist but so was this world at one time it just shows how far behind us this world was and sam moved them forward by standing up for women.

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 09:04 AM
Honestly, this is not that unbelievable. First of all there was more than one guy there when she was kidnapped. Besides that it was the middle of the night and she was probably still half asleep. Also when she was fighting Turghan, she had a weapon and the attack was not a surprise. And finally, her fight with Turghan was not just to save herself. She was also fighting for Nya. I do not understand why everyone hates this episode so much. It was not THAT bad.

it was an amazing episode it established sam as a worthy member of the team

Ulkesh47
April 14th, 2009, 11:41 PM
I dunno I don't think carter had found herself in this episode the true carter came a couple episodes later
Eh. I don't think that "The First Commandment" had the "true Carter", as you put it. However, you're approximately right.

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 02:16 PM
It was a good episode because sam shows us what shes got. It had a good morale to it which was great. Never mess with a woman.

Jump237
April 30th, 2009, 02:39 PM
The "You have eyes the color of blue river stones" line makes this episode worth watching.

Correction: "I value spirit in my horses, not my women."

Wow. Just wow. This is as douche-chill inspiring as the episode of TNG where they go to the all-black planet and Tasha Yar gets kidnapped by the king and challenged to a fight to the death by the jealous queen.

Coela Bellatore
May 3rd, 2009, 03:19 AM
The "You have eyes the color of blue river stones" line makes this episode worth watching.

Correction: "I value spirit in my horses, not my women."

Wow. Just wow. This is as douche-chill inspiring as the episode of TNG where they go to the all-black planet and Tasha Yar gets kidnapped by the king and challenged to a fight to the death by the jealous queen.

How is this chilling. This is what it was like for all of human history until about 1700 onward and is still this way in many middle eastern countries.

Ozman
May 21st, 2009, 07:30 AM
I like this ep, as I do all of S1. Classic SG1. Exploring planets, meeting new cultures (well not that new). Finding new tech, medicine and whatnot. Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa was excellent in it. Many poeple like Sam in this ep, especially the girls.

That was the way The Mongol culture was, and yes this still happens in parts of the world today.:(

drewandian
May 23rd, 2009, 08:11 PM
While this is not one of my favorite episodes, I think that in some ways it was a very important episode. For example, it was the first time that you're really made aware that Sam is "the girl" on the team (yeah, it's a big shock in Children of the Gods that Sam Carter is a she and not a he, but once you get past the whole "It's not women I have a problem with, it's scientists" thing, her gender is kinda glossed over a little). The guys' reaction to her all gussed up is classic "oh wow look she's a girl". I've served in the Army and in college was part of the marching band's drumline - I've been "one of the guys" for the better part of my life and believe me, it's a real kick in the pants when the guys realize/notice that you are in fact a girl and different! ;) And kinda important too.....









The ending with the girls being free was a litle over the top cuase IMO it would have taken more then what Sam did.




If I remember correctly, and it's been a while since I've watched this ep, Abu's father was NOT a typical chieftan. His beliefs were more like those of SG1, that women were not property and that they should be treated more equally (didn't he only have one wife, whom he said he loved?). So the ending where the women in his tribe were "freed" wasn't really over the top - it's not just b/c of what Sam did that freed them, she was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back and gave him the little nudge he needed to do what he knew was the right thing from the beginning. She set a new precedent when she won the fight, especially since she showed him mercy by not killing him.... (although, now he's the guy who got his butt kicked by a girl, so really I guess you could say she didn't show him much mercy at all....)



That was the problem with this episode, they were worrying about sending a message and forgot about being realistic. Jack O'Neill should have dealt with the situation as the commanding officer.

IMO he did...it's not necessarily the best idea to go rushing in, guns blazing, to deal with a situation just b/c you're the CO. Sometimes the best way to deal with the situation is to let someone else fight the fight. In this case, it wasn't Jack's fight to fight, although he would've been there to back Sam up if she needed it (notice his hand on his weapon, ready to fire if things got sticky...). This was Sam's fight, she needed to fight it to prove herself, not only to her team and the tribes people, but to herself...she's been belittled and treated like property, and that had to have taken it's toll. A little butt kicking would be in order to gain back that confidence....

That all being said (and I hope it made at least a little sense!), I'm all about girl power but I do think they could've approached it all a little better. All in all I think this was a cheesy ep, with a few redeeming moments....

Reci
July 6th, 2009, 10:37 AM
This episode has two of the most respect asian actors of all time and Carter fights Shangsun from Mortal Kombat and WINS!!!

lordofseas
August 1st, 2009, 07:02 AM
This episode was a very nice Carter episode. It showed her strength.

Mrs. Daniel Jackson
October 7th, 2009, 03:34 PM
PUFFY BLUE DRESS OF DOOOM!!!
haha! i actually really like this episode!!! :)
i know a lot of people don't, but i do! :)
i am very curious to know what excatly Carter did on that mission we will never see?! :P

and i love the looks on the guys faces when they see carter in THAT dress

Mrs. Daniel Jackson
October 7th, 2009, 03:41 PM
PUFFY BLUE DRESS OF DOOOM!!!
haha! i actually really like this episode!!! :)
i know a lot of people don't, but i do! :)
i am very curious to know what excatly Carter did on that mission we will never see?! :P

and i love the looks on the guys faces when they see carter in THAT dress. :D


-Kat

techwork
October 8th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Some is good. Really good. No FX but good costumes. And .... this is jap written ep. :)

Jeff O'Connor
October 26th, 2009, 11:30 AM
This is probably the only episode in the entire series I really, really can't stand, but I'm glad to see some of you enjoyed it thoroughly. It has some noticeable actors and a few good lines, but all in all, I feel it's way too preachy. Just plays like a horrible fanfic IMO.

mrscopterdoc
January 30th, 2010, 09:44 AM
and i love the looks on the guys faces when they see carter in THAT dress. :D


-Kat

I agree! :D I used to not like this episode for some reason but after rewatching it and seeing the flirting between Sam and Jack and even Daniel, it is great! I love it now!

jckfan55
January 30th, 2010, 10:58 AM
It has its moments and it is a potentially interesting story, but way too heavy handed.

maneth
February 7th, 2010, 08:26 AM
Heavy handed yes. I also didn't believe how quickly they apparently changed the culture, didn't seem at all believable to me. That said, Carter was wonderful and they had found a truly menacing looking guy to play the bad guy. Brilliant casting!

MylittleEli
February 18th, 2010, 08:22 PM
I have watched SG1 all the way through on DVD twice now, and I'm on season 1 for the third time, and every time I get to this episode, I skip it. I saw if for the first time at a friends house, and I've never wanted to have to experience this rediculous episode every again. Sams costume is ridiculously ugly, the bag guy is ridiculously cliche, and the "hero" kid is ridiculously annoying. Oh ya, and the plot is ridiculously BORING.
I think that about sums it up for me....yup.
(ps. I COMPLETELY agree with the msg of the episode, they just failed miserably at delivering that msg in an intelligent and entertaining way)

Vagabond Serpent
April 2nd, 2010, 08:40 AM
Very heavy episode... I agree with the opinion that it has good message, but I don't like the way it was delivered... And that plothole of Carter being kidnapped so easily...

Jacquelyn
April 4th, 2010, 08:37 PM
In my opinion Sam looked absolutely lovely in this episode! (not that she ever looks ugly)
Sam is an independent woman, she has a great personality, & she can kick your butt. Lol :D

This episode just brings out her feminine side. Cuz usually she's trying to be one of the guys. But this episode shows a side of her we haven't seen. :)

_SocraticMethod
April 4th, 2010, 08:59 PM
This episode has some hilarious moments/lines!

(e.g.: "What is an Oprah?" , "Show me an anthropologist that looks like this and I will eat this headdress!") :lol:

But, other than that, I thought it was a pretty weak episode. Sam's easy capture was not believable, the love story was pretty corny, and the sudden change in a centuries-old culture was highly implausible!

Still, this is one of those episodes that I can watch over and over again because of the humourous moments, and because it's like those horrible, horrible cult classics - it's so bad that it's good! :P

Oh! And I almost forgot, I love seeing Sam being all kick-ass like that! I mean, she's always tough as nails, but I love watching her fight scenes!!

Pharaoh Atem
April 5th, 2010, 12:40 AM
not exactly the ep you want to air after a pilot :P

Vagabond Serpent
April 5th, 2010, 04:08 AM
I agree that this episode has its hilarious moments, and I can't say that I hate it, but it's still too heavy to me. I guess if I'd be watching all episodes in the right order, I probably wouldn't became a StarGate fan... ;)

Oh, and I forgot the mark: 5/10

Jacquelyn
April 5th, 2010, 07:12 PM
This episode has some hilarious moments/lines!

(e.g.: "What is an Oprah?" , "Show me an anthropologist that looks like this and I will eat this headdress!") :lol:


Oh! And I almost forgot, I love seeing Sam being all kick-ass like that! I mean, she's always tough as nails, but I love watching her fight scenes!!

Haha i LOVE those quotes! And i completely agree with the Sam kicking a** thing. :D

Tachyon
April 6th, 2010, 09:45 PM
This episode is good, though not among my favorites from season 1.

Girlbot
June 10th, 2010, 10:26 AM
The first time I saw this episode, I loved Carter beating the Warlord. "You go girl":D
I had to cheer :D But it isn'e one that I need to watch over and over. It was the nice surprise of the fight scene and her winning that clinched the episode:D

major davis
August 12th, 2010, 09:15 AM
I know most people, including Amanda, hate this episode.

But I love it. I think Sam kicks butt, and its needed for her to be able to become a better character.

Because we didn't want her to stay the Children of the Gods Briefing Room Sam, did we?

So think of it as a very needed step towards our lovely, sweet Sam Carter. The one we have today.

Plus I'm in love with Abu (Jorge Vargas Jr.) :D Actually pretty hot without the wig.

When did amanda say she hated this episode.

Personally, I don't know why so many think this was like the worst episode ever of stargate. Granted, it wasn't the best, but it still was detestable. Personally, I thought part 1 of New Order was worse then this (SOOO boring lol). ;)

juggernaut975
August 12th, 2010, 09:35 AM
Emancipation will never be one of my favorite episodes.....out of the first two or three seasons it seemed to be, imho, the hokiest of them, the most sort of 'cookie cutter sci-fi' of those early offerings.

And it's not a bad show, it's just the sort of thing you would expect to see on an episode of TNG or something.

But that's neither here nor there, I'll always have a special place in my heart for Emancipation and here's why:

I was never into SG1 when it was on TV. I loved the movie when I was younger but the show?

Had zero interest in it.

And then I met my wife. She was a huge fan and, as a result, I was introduced to it.

Sadly, we didn't watch them in order. My first step into the world of SG1 was watching....One False Step oddly enough...and then Emancipation.

One False Step was just.....weird....and while Emancipation wasn't fantastic it got me thinking about all the fantastic possibilities one had with this franchise.

It was the first time we were shown that, nope, it wasn't just Egyptians that were taken by the Goa'uld...slaves were taken from all over the planet by a number of System Lords.

This was the episode that got me thinking about the possibilities of the Stargate and, despite how much it's universally panned, I'll always consider it to be one of the more important shows from Season One, well, for me at least.

Tallifer
September 4th, 2010, 04:44 PM
This epsiode reminds me very much of classic Doctor Who: visit an alien culture, get involved in their petty squabbles, overcome a villain in an unbelievable fashion, right various wrongs, make some friends, say good bye.

All in all, that makes for a good story! Loved the costumes too, especially seeing one of the regulars out of their boring military garb.

The old chief was very subtle and wise as well. And I liked Daniel's point of view as an anthropologist faced with such a different culture.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
September 18th, 2010, 05:27 PM
I have DVR and Satelite and so we get a channel called Showtime beyond and this episode along with the enemy within were on and i felt like i had a second chance to watch sg-1 on Showtime.

Noxbait
February 23rd, 2011, 02:13 PM
I know that a lot of people aren't particularly fond of this one for various reasons. I like it because, like juggernaut975 pointed out, it was more of a "normal" meet the folks kind of show, not about the Goa'uld. It was just a meeting with a culture in their "natural" day to day lives. Nothing crazy or alien going on. Just a cultural learning experience. Some very cute moments (obviously the blue dress thing). It wasn't a very broad or important episode, but not every time can it be a "do or the universe dies" kind of thing. : ) just a sweet little "freshman" episode for the show.

Lunaeclipse
February 24th, 2011, 04:49 PM
I know that a lot of people aren't particularly fond of this one for various reasons. I like it because, like juggernaut975 pointed out, it was more of a "normal" meet the folks kind of show, not about the Goa'uld. It was just a meeting with a culture in their "natural" day to day lives. Nothing crazy or alien going on. Just a cultural learning experience. Some very cute moments (obviously the blue dress thing). It wasn't a very broad or important episode, but not every time can it be a "do or the universe dies" kind of thing. : ) just a sweet little "freshman" episode for the show.

Yeah. It also showed us that Sam was true to what she said when she said that she could handle what they could handle, which made it a little easier (in my opinion) for Jack to believe that she really could hold her own.

Noxbait
February 25th, 2011, 04:57 AM
Yeah. It also showed us that Sam was true to what she said when she said that she could handle what they could handle, which made it a little easier (in my opinion) for Jack to believe that she really could hold her own.

Exactly! It was perhaps the first time that she got to prove that she wasn't just all brains. Not that I think Jack didn't respect her up to this point, because I'm sure he did, but I think this really helped ease the "not another scientist" mentality! ; ) I just adore Sam, I really do. She is not just a brain, but able to think strategically, do the fighting, and she's funny. I also love the fact that, while she does tend to try to prove herself as "one of the boys" she always was a lady. She was emotional at times but not a weepy-willow. Maybe that's why I also like this episode, it showcases Sam.

Lunaeclipse
February 25th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Exactly! It was perhaps the first time that she got to prove that she wasn't just all brains. Not that I think Jack didn't respect her up to this point, because I'm sure he did, but I think this really helped ease the "not another scientist" mentality! ; ) I just adore Sam, I really do. She is not just a brain, but able to think strategically, do the fighting, and she's funny. I also love the fact that, while she does tend to try to prove herself as "one of the boys" she always was a lady. She was emotional at times but not a weepy-willow. Maybe that's why I also like this episode, it showcases Sam.

Jack gave her a lot of respect in regards to the fight near the end of the ep even before she had entered into it, which was very sweet.

FrodoFraggins
March 17th, 2011, 08:03 PM
I'm now watching all of the episodes from the beginning and had never seen this one. I couldn't get myself to watch much of this episode, it was just sooo bad.

majorsal
March 17th, 2011, 08:06 PM
I'm now watching all of the episodes from the beginning and had never seen this one. I couldn't get myself to watch much of this episode, it was just sooo bad.

but carter kicks butt in it, so go to the end! :p

i like this ep. this was the episode that showed the fans she could take care of herself. :sam:

FrodoFraggins
March 18th, 2011, 03:56 AM
but carter kicks butt in it, so go to the end! :p

i like this ep. this was the episode that showed the fans she could take care of herself. :sam:

Eh. I already know she can handle herself. I may come back to it at some point.

Starfox1313
July 27th, 2011, 12:09 PM
This episode to me was the first of the real stargate show format. Go through the gate meet a strand culture. get into a problem, and find a way to fix it. So in saying that not my favorite episode, but its the format that got them so far. Also they wanted to show that sam was no push over, think they did a good job on that front.

Girlbot
July 27th, 2011, 12:15 PM
first time I saw this ep it was awesome. Carter against the warlord. I cheered when she beat him. Loved it.:D
I have to admit now, that if I watch it again, I just need to forward to that scene, the rest I don't need to revisit

Lunaeclipse
July 27th, 2011, 08:52 PM
first time I saw this ep it was awesome. Carter against the warlord. I cheered when she beat him. Loved it.:D
I have to admit now, that if I watch it again, I just need to forward to that scene, the rest I don't need to revisit

It's a shame there was only that one. I would've liked more scenes in the series similar to that one. Carter had some serious girl power in this ep. :)

Girlbot
July 28th, 2011, 05:31 PM
It's a shame there was only that one. I would've liked more scenes in the series similar to that one. Carter had some serious girl power in this ep. :)
I agree. I think more hand to hand and less shoot them up would have worked. Wonder why they didn't go that route once in a while.

Nate
August 1st, 2011, 06:25 PM
Just Rewatched the episode for the rewatch.. The big take away from this episode is that this will not be ST:TNG as there is no prime directive for SG teams.. This episode proved it.

hedwig
August 1st, 2011, 07:09 PM
It's a shame there was only that one. I would've liked more scenes in the series similar to that one. Carter had some serious girl power in this ep. :)

Teyla was given some very good hand-to-hand combat scenes in SGA. I wish they'd given Sam Carter at least a few similar type scenes. "Emancipation" was just a warm-up episode to show off her fighting skills. And then we didn't get to see any more of them (sadly). They were too busy showing off her brain power instead.

Flak
August 1st, 2011, 07:31 PM
Mooooortal Kooombat!!!!!!!!

Not the best episode for sure. But at the start of a series, every character needs to shine through. and I think this was a good one for Sam. Her kicking some ass at the end was great!

Moments I liked:

"I'm not an anthropologist" - sam, "You are today" - jack

"It kinda works for me" - jack (about the dress)

"what is an oprah?" - Tea'lc

"then we go now" - jack (being badass)

the soundtrack was coming along nicely I think

The fight at the end with Sam reminded me of Dune alot. I am a big fan of Dune and this kinda felt like that a bit.

on to the next!

Zaany
August 2nd, 2011, 08:03 AM
Check out Teal'c's facial expression when He, Daniel and Jack are in the tent commenting on Carters looks and Jack/Daniel look at each other and say "Thats definetly you" Damn he does have some hilarious facial expressions all over the show :D

Noxbait
August 2nd, 2011, 09:08 AM
Check out Teal'c's facial expression when He, Daniel and Jack are in the tent commenting on Carters looks and Jack/Daniel look at each other and say "Thats definetly you" Damn he does have some hilarious facial expressions all over the show :D

Haha! That was a great scene.

Overall, not a hugely important or groundbreaking episode. has its weak moments, of course, but it isn't horrible. I do like that they imply that there have already been other missions (Jack talking about '595). It is easy to think that each episode happens in one day, right after each other. You kind of have to build in extra days during certain episodes to make them make more sense. In the same way, I like the idea that we aren't necessarily seeing every mission they go on.

Yes, Sam's defensiveness about being a woman is a bit much at times. I can buy her need to prove herself to a certain extent, but I'm glad they toned down her almost bullheadedness about it.

It got their feet wet with the idea of interacting (for good or bad) with other cultures, not just cultures like the Goa'uld who are out to destroy Earth, either.

Vagabond Serpent
August 2nd, 2011, 10:25 AM
Of course we're not seeing each mission, later seasons suggested that one season - roughly one year. :P

lookupwardsnshare
August 2nd, 2011, 12:40 PM
Not one of my favorite eps but liked carter's fight at end--she can hold her own.

shelsfc
August 2nd, 2011, 01:34 PM
I do cringe a little watching this ep. But there's more than enough good stuff in it to make up for it. Love the boys' faces when they see Sam in the dress...just noticed today that Jack is actually laughing while the other two are still 'WTF'-ing. How my little shipper brain didn't see that before, i don't know :P

Zaany
August 2nd, 2011, 02:54 PM
Actually if you look close then Jack is like really really trying to hold back bursting out laughing in tears in alot of episodes through the whole show. Thats why it's awesome :D

Lunaeclipse
August 2nd, 2011, 04:05 PM
Teyla was given some very good hand-to-hand combat scenes in SGA. I wish they'd given Sam Carter at least a few similar type scenes. "Emancipation" was just a warm-up episode to show off her fighting skills. And then we didn't get to see any more of them (sadly). They were too busy showing off her brain power instead.

Which takes away from what she said to Jack at the start about being able to handle what they could handle in regards to the dangers through the stargate. When we first met her she was so confident about being more than just brains.

Noxbait
August 2nd, 2011, 06:32 PM
Actually if you look close then Jack is like really really trying to hold back bursting out laughing in tears in alot of episodes through the whole show. Thats why it's awesome :D

I swear in a lot of episodes AT is also trying to keep a straight face, especially when RDA is saying some of his goofy lines (or ad libs). : )

Nindif
August 3rd, 2011, 02:05 AM
I do like that they imply that there have already been other missions (Jack talking about '595). It is easy to think that each episode happens in one day, right after each other. You kind of have to build in extra days during certain episodes to make them make more sense. In the same way, I like the idea that we aren't necessarily seeing every mission they go on.


I actually don't like the fact they decided to emphasise the point that they have been on other missions before this one. Being only the 3rd episode in the series and their first official off-world mission, I think it would have been better to keep up to date on all missions at this stage purely for character development continuation. I consider the idea we have missed a huge chunk of team bonding and a bit of a letdown. Later on in the series missing non-arc based stories is fine, but for now I think it separates the viewer from feeling like we are on the full journey with them. Thoughts?

Not as bad of an episode as many make it out to be. Very weak, but not a disgrace by any means. Would have been more suited to later in the season.

Scotaf
August 3rd, 2011, 04:45 AM
I actually don't like the fact they decided to emphasise the point that they have been on other missions before this one. Being only the 3rd episode in the series and their first official off-world mission, I think it would have been better to keep up to date on all missions at this stage purely for character development continuation. I consider the idea we have missed a huge chunk of team bonding and a bit of a letdown. Later on in the series missing non-arc based stories is fine, but for now I think it separates the viewer from feeling like we are on the full journey with them. Thoughts?

I hadn't thought of it that way, and the first time I watched through the series I didn't watch all episodes in order so I saw this one way out of order. Now watching it in order and trying to imagine never having seen it before I think you might be right.

This isn't my least favorite episode, but it isn't my favorite. It isn't as bad as I remember it being and there are some funny one liners that keep you interested. I also feel like basically all SciFi shows have one episode like this. Is it an unwritten rule or something?

fems
August 3rd, 2011, 05:05 AM
I actually don't like the fact they decided to emphasise the point that they have been on other missions before this one. Being only the 3rd episode in the series and their first official off-world mission, I think it would have been better to keep up to date on all missions at this stage purely for character development continuation. I consider the idea we have missed a huge chunk of team bonding and a bit of a letdown. Later on in the series missing non-arc based stories is fine, but for now I think it separates the viewer from feeling like we are on the full journey with them. Thoughts?


I somewhat agree, especially because it doesn't make a lot of sense. In Politics they say the first mission was on February 10 and apparently the mission to P3X-979 (1x05 The Broca Divide) was in March. Yet in the pilot Carter says that the computer will spit out two or three destinations a month and there are nine teams at that moment. Doesn't make a lot of sense for them to have already gone on other missions then. And although the mention of whatever embarrassing thing happened to Carter on P3X-595 is funny, it would indicate that they'd had contact with the locals before and therefore should have been more careful this time around...

muziqaz
August 3rd, 2011, 06:35 AM
I swear in a lot of episodes AT is also trying to keep a straight face, especially when RDA is saying some of his goofy lines (or ad libs). : )
Most of the scenes I remember she failed on keeping straight face :D I am not saying it is bad, but just sayin' :D

Jae'a
August 3rd, 2011, 07:22 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/2141.html)
Shoot me down in flames if you wish, but this has always been one of my favourite episodes. Ok, maybe the point of the ep is a little forced, but still...


I also feel like basically all SciFi shows have one episode like this. Is it an unwritten rule or something?
Maybe it's because sci-fi is mostly geared towards men and they want to show that the woman/women are valuable members of the team/show too? (Conicidentally, I touch on that in my LJ too)

hedwig
August 3rd, 2011, 07:28 AM
I swear in a lot of episodes AT is also trying to keep a straight face, especially when RDA is saying some of his goofy lines (or ad libs). : )

Chris Judge was pretty goofy at times, too. In the scene right after they've stepped out of the gate, and are walking away from it, Amanda and Chris are next to each other, and if you look really closely, Chris says something, and Amanda gets this big grin on her face and looks like she's trying not to laugh right out loud. And we all know that Teal'c didn't have a sense of humor at that time, so it had to be something Chris said. :)

muziqaz
August 3rd, 2011, 07:30 AM
I looked at this episode straight in the face, that is they wanted to enforce the Stargate idea of the team which meats ancient civs frozen in time and not progressing, thus giving us more insight on ancient cultures :)
I know I know, it was about women, but I enjoyed it more when I set my mind to see ancient civ :)

Noxbait
August 3rd, 2011, 08:54 AM
I actually don't like the fact they decided to emphasise the point that they have been on other missions before this one. Being only the 3rd episode in the series and their first official off-world mission, I think it would have been better to keep up to date on all missions at this stage purely for character development continuation. I consider the idea we have missed a huge chunk of team bonding and a bit of a letdown. Later on in the series missing non-arc based stories is fine, but for now I think it separates the viewer from feeling like we are on the full journey with them. Thoughts?

Good point. I hadn't really considered that. You're right, it would have been better maybe to have that mention of another mission somewhere farther down the road. We are missing what would be their "first" official mission as a team according to this. Obviously, looking back across 10 years of the show, we can nitpick a lot better than they could starting out. In a lot of ways, I kind of feel like it really started out as a "novelty" show that maybe no one expected to go very far, and as it kept going, they kept improving both the quality and the background and story arcs.

Anyway, I totally agree...we should have been able to see that first mission as they learned how to operate as a team! :jack::daniel::tealc::sam:

dtheories
August 3rd, 2011, 09:09 AM
As an anthropologist, Daniel has a desire to learn about the people of the Steppe, but the team’s presence is the catalyst for a significant change in the tribe's behavior; even if the tribal leader had envisioned a similar outcome prior to the team’s arrival.

Later in the series Hammond reminds of the potential consequences they faced each time they walked through the ‘gate. Though this was a case of positive result… anesthetic for Earth, emancipation for the tribe’s women…it was still interference into their culture and laws.

Little bit of the Jack/Daniel banter before setting out to track Sam -
Jack: The hell with culture; a member of my team has been neutralized. That's a hostile act!
Daniel: How is it that you always come up with the worst-case scenario?
Jack: I practice.
… Daniel: If Abu gives her up peacefully, no one will get hurt. (to Jack) Right?
Jack: We'll do our best.

- was a good indication of the relationship those two had; affirming, like the mention of Sam’s embarrassing moment on another planet, that the team dynamic was constructed due as much to was happening off screen. It’s as if the writers purposefully left openings for fan fiction to walk through!

Girlbot
August 3rd, 2011, 10:38 AM
Loved this ep the very first time I ever saw it. Especially the Sam beating the Warlord.:D Awesome:D I cheered. I can still watch that part, over and over again.
the rest of it , the way the women were treated remind me too much of what still happens in the world today, and leaves me frustrated. So I watched for the rewatch only

jlovette
August 3rd, 2011, 10:49 AM
This episode won't ever get anywhere near my best of list, but there are definitely worse episodes. Also, I find it easier to forgive weak episodes when a show is just starting its run.

The standout for this episode was Jack -some good one-liners and banter with Daniel, but my favorite moment is how he shoos the man holding the knife to his throat away right after Sam wins the fight.

Finally, I love how Teal'c for the most part remains in the background as an observer with very little to say until the mention of "an Oprah" causes him to finally speak up.

poundpuppy29
August 3rd, 2011, 10:59 AM
I have always liked this ep liked the message liked how Sam was Jack was good too so was Daniel.

Starmover
August 3rd, 2011, 12:52 PM
"What is an Oprah?"

juggernaut975
August 3rd, 2011, 01:11 PM
Love Sam's attempt at escape.....still fully clothed in all her ceremonial splendor :o

Zaany
August 3rd, 2011, 01:19 PM
Priceless

Krisz
August 3rd, 2011, 02:22 PM
I'd completely forgotten that the "What is an Oprah?" line came from this episode.

This is an episode I usually skip and I think I've only seen it twice before long time ago. It is good in a way doing this rewatch because it's making me watch these sorts of episodes again and they don't seem as bad as I remember them as being.

I think I found the; 'look at soldier Sam being forced to be a woman in front of the military men she's had to prove she's more than just a pretty face to' thing too much when I first watched this. Somehow the distance of time has softened my irritation with this. I just watched the episode as a new adventure for the team as they started to find their feet with dealing with new cultures and customs at odds with theirs. It was was much more fun this way! :)

jlovette
August 3rd, 2011, 02:40 PM
Love Sam's attempt at escape.....still fully clothed in all her ceremonial splendor :o

Give her some credit! She took the time pull the veil across her face!:D

majorsal
August 3rd, 2011, 02:43 PM
i loved sam's fight with the mongol leader!! kick his butt, sam!! :p

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 3rd, 2011, 04:14 PM
I really hate this episode. It's the worst episode of SG-1 in my opinion. I had totally forgot about Teal'c's Opera line ("What is an Opera?").

JacksonMiracle
August 3rd, 2011, 07:16 PM
I actually don't like the fact they decided to emphasise the point that they have been on other missions before this one. Being only the 3rd episode in the series and their first official off-world mission, I think it would have been better to keep up to date on all missions at this stage purely for character development continuation. I consider the idea we have missed a huge chunk of team bonding and a bit of a letdown. Later on in the series missing non-arc based stories is fine, but for now I think it separates the viewer from feeling like we are on the full journey with them. Thoughts?

I agree completely with this. I missed getting to see more of the early team bonding. Yes, they went through a lot together in CotG and TEW, and that has to bring a team closer together, but a real friendship takes time. I like knowing that they are starting to be a real team, and can joke around and have fun with each other, as well trust each other and work together whenever and however needed, but I would have liked to have seen some of the moments that led to that point.

Overall, not my favorite episode, but it's not terrible either. There were a lot of good Sam moments, and Jack's humor was stong as ever, and there was one conversation in praticular that I think could have significant meaning for Daniel. You'll have to read my fanfic to find out more about that.

Traveler Enroute1
August 3rd, 2011, 07:18 PM
SG Rewatched episodes: 101,102,103

Emancipation

Like many on the board, I felt this episode was cringe-worthy the first few times I viewed it. Not because Sam/Amanda had an episode that featured her strong points as a soldier but sometimes the dialogue and scenes didn't click for me.

Having the team decide to stay in the face of the unprovoked violence towards a member still befuddles me. However, I view it now with the knowledge that they were a very young team, and even with a black ops CO, no one could predict the actions of a lovesick teenage boy and how it affected Sam.

Some things that popped at me:


Abu had help abducting Sam. One holds her down, one grabs her weapon. Then one holds the tent flap as the other hauls her out. Guess no one says no to the chief's son.

The expressions on the males of SG1 at Sam's transformation is still comical. Jack is the most amused, probably remembering Sam's hard line as they first met. When he called her Samantha I still smile at the snark in his voice.

Favorite line: 'Take it or die!' Turghan says to Abu. Hard to decline that!

Most ridiculous scene: Abu sneaking up to Turghan's compound; so cartoonish I always laugh when I see his 'stealth' approach!

And didn't Abu's tunic rip during the dog attack? Yet by the time he gets home his tunic seems intact.

Amazing Amanda reacting to Turghan's proximity; I got the impression that 'rancid yakk butter' smelled a lot better then he did. The aura of imminent violence toward Sam is almost painful, though.

Speaking of Turghan, always love Cari-Hiroyuki Tagawa. He's a versatile actor and also a martial arts master. Wonder if Amanda got the benefit of any of his techniques. He certainly falls well!

What is sticking up from Sam's cleavage when she's chopping veggies? And Sam dons the veil as she escapes; strange time to adhere to tribal rules!

On the way to see Turghan, Daniel talks to the Chief. It seems to finally dawn on Daniel that his suggestion to accommodate the natives has put Sam in a very bad position. Jack also seems to be less amused now and more worried.

The expressions on Jack and Teal'c's faces as Daniel lists Sam's talents to Turghan - hilarious! Daniel is saying too much and I can hear Jack thinking, 'easy, big guy. Shaman??"

When Abu rides up on them pleading for help, my heart is still hardened toward him. Sam was in imminent danger of violence from a man as bad as the one he wants to spare his beloved from marrying.

But in spite of Turghan's harshness, I strangely felt feelings for him as he prepared to let his daughter be stoned to death. He apparently has feelings and a sense of the law of the land, and honors it. No, not forgetting he'd threatened Sam with terrible things to force her cooperation.

Loved the fight scene. Sam drew first blood - yes! I thought the fight was nicely staged to be realistic with a slighter, trained soldier against a larger foe using brute force.

Certainly this episode spotlighted Sam's military training and sense of duty to protect and serve. While Sam was quite relieved at her rescue, beaming at them all, it didn't ring right that she wasn't more peeved with them for leaving her. I expected Daniel at least to be apologizing nonstop.

However, at the end she prevails against a powerful foe and her expression to the guys is just the right 'Hah!' attitude. Jack, meanwhile, is noteably less talky, probably thinking of how much he didn't know about the 'scientist' on his team. Teal'c gets his first look at a female Tau'ri warrior and I believe he's impressed, in his way. I think that scene when they bid goodbye to the chief and he makes his proclamation to honor Carter made the ep work for me. She'd proven herself and the guys would never forget it.

Oh, and just thought of this: The episode is Emancipation. At the end, there's a Proclamation. Coincidence, hmm? ;)

Rated: 3/5

juggernaut975
August 3rd, 2011, 07:35 PM
The expressions on the males of SG1 at Sam's transformation is still comical. Jack is the most amused, probably remembering Sam's hard line as they first met. When he called her Samantha I still smile at the snark in his voice.


This is one of the saving graces of the episode for me. We get to see for the first time SG1 as a team on a mission together and right off the bat we see that they just mesh perfectly.

Emancipation gets a lot of good natured teasing from the SG fan community but watching it again it wasn't nearly as bad as I had remembered it. Like COTG and The Enemy Within, Emancipation is on that FIRST disc and it's one I don't pop in that often. In fact, I'd say it's been four years or so since I've seen the episode in one sitting.