ancients based on earth too?

[caes4]

Im confused, so are the ancients from earth as well? since the stargate atlantis links to earth. why does everything that occurs throughout the universe have to be linked to earth?

[Erik Pasternak]

Because it's a show produced on Earth. That's why. But, basically yes, the Ancients evolved on Earth millenia ago, before we did.
"RECKONING" SG-1, Season 8

Spoiler:

Apparently, after the plauge, the Ancients used a device to repopulate life in this galaxy after the plague hit, thus explaining how we evolved.

[LiquidBlue]

Though the Ancients have demonstrated a certain affinity for earth (for example the Ancients that evacuated the Pegasus Galaxy returned to earth, and it is possible that all of the gate symbols on the milky way stargates are based on the stars as seen from earth), it would be problematic at best to assert that the Ancients originate from Earth.

If we set aside the fossil record and allow that they could have evolved within the gaps of our knowledge in paleontology. We have to admit that if the Ancients originated on earth they touched it but little. From human history we see that as a society becomes more technologically advanced they can and must extract resources from the environment in ways that are unmistakably unnatural. Furthermore those resources are further arranged in artificial structures. A society that is able to progress through awareness to interstellar flight must unavoidably leave marks of their presence upon their world.

Unless the ancients took EXTREMELY great care to erase the evidence of the rise of their species and restore the resources of earth to a more natural state, their ought to be record of their ancient presence upon earth.

In fact the only presence we have evidence of the ancients on earth is Atlantis. And even this one, nomadic city was situated away from all other earth life in the middle of an ice wasteland.

To summarize:

-The ancients seem to have had an affinity for earth, perhaps even considering it the center of their civilization in the Milky Way galaxy.
-It would be problematic to reconcile the rise of the Ancient civilization as having a terrestrial origin with what is known of earth history and evolution.

[Erik Pasternak]

LiquidBlue, in "Rising," Beckett specifically stated that the Ancients evolved here on Earth.

[Jarnin]

in "Rising," Beckett specifically stated that the Ancients evolved here on Earth.

What he actually said was:

Beckett: "In fact, they were first. We're the second evolution of this form, the ancients having explored this galaxy for millions of years before..."

He never said the ancients evolved on Earth.

[Erik Pasternak]

He never said the ancients evolved on Earth.

Yeah, I think you're right, but the Ancient Hologram Lady said that they once called Earth home, that implies that it is their homeplanet.

[Jarnin]

Yeah, I think you're right, but the Ancient Hologram Lady said that they once called Earth home, that implies that it is their homeplanet.

No, that impies that they lived there once, which we know.

Lets say you're born in New York, then New York is your home. Then you move to Chicago, now Chicago is your home. Then you move to London, so London is your home.
Just because you call Chicago your former home doesn't mean you were born in Chicago.

[Mr Prophet]

It is somebody's principle that little smart things don't leave fossils; just big stupid things that fall into tar pits. Civilizations don't leave traces in the fossil record; their traces don't survive past an archaeological timescale. There might be outposts here and there, built to last, but everyday stuff doesn't last that long. Obviously the durability of Ancient tech puts a little dent in this principle, but it certainly isn't unlikely that a million year old civilization could have reached into the stars and then - to all intents and purposes - vanished; especially if the bulk of their artefacts ended up a) in the sea or b) under thirty feet of ice in the Antarctic.

[Mr Prophet]

No, that impies that they lived there once, which we know.

Lets say you're born in New York, then New York is your home. Then you move to Chicago, now Chicago is your home. Then you move to London, so London is your home.
Just because you call Chicago your former home doesn't mean you were born in Chicago.

But if they thought of it as home, it should definitely have traces of their material culture if those were going to survive at all.

[Jarnin]

But if they thought of it as home, it should definitely have traces of their material culture if those were going to survive at all.

Which would explain the ancient outpost in Antarctica. They stopped calling it home when they flew off in their city to Pegasus.

[Mr Prophet]

And why was Atlantis there? From the Stargates we know that the Ancients use naquadah a lot, but there isn't any on Earth; it's not exactly a logical construction site.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather the Ancients looked like the ******* offspring of a squid and a fridge freezer and had had nothing to do with human history, let alone evolved Earth, I just don't think that's happening.

[Jarnin]

And why was Atlantis there?

To direct humanoid evolution on Earth.

[Mr Prophet]

To direct humanoid evolution on Earth.

That might explain the outpost, but what about the most technically advanced creation of the Ancient race, or whatever Atlantis was supposed to be? And if it was there to direct humanoid evolution - see! lab rats! - then why did it leave?

Finally, if you were working in a science lab and then went elsewhere - taking the buildings with you, no less - would the former location of the lab be what you thought of as home to go back to? Your theory suggests a workplace rather than a city. The bond to Earth is clearly deep and lasting; they had been in Pegasus for a long, long time, or such was my impression anyway.

[Jarnin]

Hehe, Mr. Prophet and I are playing forum tag!

That might explain the outpost, but what about the most technically advanced creation of the Ancient race, or whatever Atlantis was supposed to be?

I'd consider humans to be their greatest creation ever, but that's semantics.

if it was there to direct humanoid evolution - see! lab rats! - then why did it leave?

Did you ever see the Stargate Atlantis episode "Rising part 1 & 2"? They explain exactly why they left within in the first 20 minutes of the show.

Finally, if you were working in a science lab and then went elsewhere - taking the buildings with you, no less - would the former location of the lab be what you thought of as home to go back to? Your theory suggests a workplace rather than a city. The bond to Earth is clearly deep and lasting; they had been in Pegasus for a long, long time, or such was my impression anyway.

Rhetoric. They were talking about the planet Earth, not the location on the planet where Atlantis once sat.

You're really blowing this way out of proportion. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but do you by chance have a fan-fic story that doesn't work with the new information we've learned about the ancients from the series? It seems you're rejecting alot of the concepts that the series has provided on more than one occasion for no logical reason at all.

[Janus]

My theory is that the Ancients originally envolved on Mars.
We know there was life there once.
But then Mars died, so they moved to Earth.
That's why they like Earth so much, it saved their a$$e$.