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February 28th, 2009, 06:36 AM
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As the crew remember their old lives on Caprica, Admiral Adama launches a plan to rescue Hera from the stronghold of the Cylon civilization -- knowing that Galactica herself may not survive.

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Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 06:13 PM
I am watching now, all these little vigenettes. Wait Roselyn is going for a swim - Thank goodness, she kept her clothing on!

chris777
March 13th, 2009, 06:23 PM
doubtful. It would have fit islandeds title, which while an awesome name, I don't feel the ep lived up to it.

As for Daybreak, I knew they were going to do another slow episode, given the preview, and to put it off till next week for the real action, I would almost bet this ep ends with the jump after adamas ralley speech.

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Chris777- keep your fingers crossed, I think it is building up to something. Boomer had that look in her eyes! I predict :ronananime16:

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 06:56 PM
That was it?

rarocks24
March 13th, 2009, 06:58 PM
For someone who missed it, can I get a quick recap of what happened? Por Favor?

Skydiver
March 13th, 2009, 06:58 PM
part one had to be a lot of set up for hte finale

next week it'll be the hera rescue mission and them finding a home/killing cavil i'd guess

we learned a lot about the characters and what drives them, and lots of symbolism

prattmic
March 13th, 2009, 06:58 PM
That was it?
I had the exact same thought. I wasn't expecting it to be nearly over, as it was just getting to the good part, when it said "To Be Continued"

Finger13
March 13th, 2009, 06:58 PM
I haven't said this for any episode this season, but what the hell was that?

Aside from the emptied out Galactica, Baltar's struggle with his selfishness, and the speech from Adama and the people volunteering, it was an entire waste of the second last episode.

We keep wondering when answers will be given out for the major plots so far, and keep having to push them to the next episode, and now we're down to one.

Don't get me wrong, this episode just set up what is going to be an absolutely amazing battle, but still, it was a waste given that this show has 1 more episode.

mi4si
March 13th, 2009, 07:00 PM
from these early replies it sounds like I should wait to watch all three hours together

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:00 PM
I haven't said this for any episode this season, but what the hell was that?

Aside from the emptied out Galactica, Baltar's struggle with his selfishness, and the speech from Adama and the people volunteering, it was an entire waste of the second last episode.

We keep wondering when answers will be given out for the major plots so far, and keep having to push them to the next episode, and now we're down to one.

Don't get me wrong, this episode just set up what is going to be an absolutely amazing battle, but still, it was a waste given that this show has 1 more episode.

As I said, that was it? (he asked incredulously)

Berg417448
March 13th, 2009, 07:00 PM
For someone who missed it, can I get a quick recap of what happened? Por Favor?

Not much happened at all actually.

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM
that was so damn cool :D

can't wait for next week

chris777
March 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I could tell from last weeks preview nothing would happen.

They did some cool stuff with Cavils base, and the flashback was unexpected, but overall these last 10 episodes stunk.

they will probably go all out next episode, but was this really worth it, to effectively waste the 9 episodes preceding it?

CKO
March 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM
hey at least we got to see Lee outta his damn suit and in uniform... *drools.* oh wait wrong place to say that....

its' kinda confusing, but it was also nice to know what drives the chars... thought for sure that baltar would try and redeem himself *shrugs*

looks like next week the series will go out with a bang.

figured that chief would put himself in lockup...

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
was that Joseph adama that bill was talking to in the flash back???

TheChosen1
March 13th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Ummmmm What the Frak was that all about????

Considering the magnatude of the series ending and your in your last two weekends, I found the part in the begining of the show when it says "Previously on Battlestar Galactica" To be the highlight of the ENTIRE FRAKING SHOW!!!!!!


Yeah with that said this has to be the Biggest let down of a show thus far when your just mere mins away from it being all over and you still have way , way, way too much information that hasn't been dealt with story wise.


TheChosen1

Skydiver
March 13th, 2009, 07:06 PM
flashbacks to pre attack

adama getting roped into doing something he didn't want to 'it's just an hour'
kara cooking dinner for lee, as he visits his brother and his bro's new girlfriend
laura throwing a shower for her sister's impending baby, her sister(s) and father were killed by a drunk driver the day after
gaius was a dweeb even back on earth and they showed how six slowly wormed her way into his life

cut to the ship, laura's dreaming as she's dying
the ship is slowly being stripped, gaius wants a voice on the council, lee is administering the divvying up of stuff, adama sees the pictures of the dead slowly being taken down, but some are left behind...the dead whose families are gone too. among it a picture of boomer and hera.
he decides that they have to rescue hera
calls for volunteers to take the galactica on her last mission, about 1/3 of the people assembled (all of whom have their name in the credits not surprisingly) agree

kara is trying to figure out the notes, she plugs anders back in, adama expresses his faith in her

meanwhile hera is on the colony, hasn't eaten for days, cavil is getting impatient. boomer is sympathetic, the others aren't. they're gonna IV feed her to keep her alive

a raptor jumps into the middle of an asteroid belt. turns out it's debris going into a black hole, the cylon colony is orbiting a black hole (they actually used the term naked singularity) and there's only one safe jump place.

TBC

next week, the rescue and whatever else happens

Skydiver
March 13th, 2009, 07:07 PM
from these early replies it sounds like I should wait to watch all three hours together
you probably will enjoy it more that way

I knew it was gonna be set up. part 1 of any multiparter is always slow...plot points being put into place for all the 'good stuff' at the end

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
For someone who missed it, can I get a quick recap of what happened? Por Favor?

I will post below a very quick recap in spoilers so that those who have not seen and want to wait until the itunes release etc

The decision was made to strip down the ship. Various characters had intermittent flashbacks to when they were on Caprica, giving some minor insights into their character, Boomer, Cavil and a 2 and 3 were meeting around Hera, who has not eaten since she was taken, Cavil ordered her prepared for testing, and that scene faded with Boomer having that look in her eye where you thought she was going to do something. On the battlestar, they started stripping it down, meanwhile Baltar had a little chat with Lee trying to get a seat on the council for his minions and Lee told him off as he did not believe he was asking for selfless reasons. Then Kara and the Admiral met in the Anders chamber, and although the scene was cut away, we are led to believe they asked Anders where Hera was, and were told the location of Colony. The admiral went onto the hanger deck and addressed all the remaining BSG crew, and gave each a choice as to whether to accompany him on a mission to rescue Hera using Galactica, most decided yes including the pres, the final five, Caprica 6 - all the prisoners in the brig were released and it appears most of them opted to go as well. Jumped to a scene where a raptor piloted by Racetrack scouting found the Colony, located in orbit around a black hole, jumped back to Galactica where Adama, Saul, Lee, Galen, Kara and others looked at the photos Racetrack took, and realised the only place safe to jump is within 1 km of the Colony, with likely every weapon on Colony pointed at that exact spot. Adama said "lets get to it" and ep ended

Arative
March 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Typical BSG multiparter episode. First part is always slow, building everything up, next one pays off. Or in this case the last 2 hours pays it off.

Looks like Galatica is going to go out in a blaze of glory. Which will be awesome.

I wonder if the parts we saw on Caprica will be like what the new series Caprica will be like?

I was half expecting Baltar to step across the line, doing his one selfish act.

Frak next week looks good and looks like it will pay off big time

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Typical BSG multiparter episode. First part is always slow, building everything up, next one pays off. Or in this case the last 2 hours pays it off.

Looks like Galatica is going to go out in a blaze of glory. Which will be awesome.

I wonder if the parts we saw on Caprica will be like what the new series Caprica will be like?

I was half expecting Baltar to step across the line, doing his one selfish act.

Frak next week looks good and looks like it will pay off big time

there's still time but i was dissapponited

bfldworker
March 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Previously on Battlestar Galactica.... The last 10 years of meaningless CRAP!

What the bloody FRAK was all that crap?

Where those flash backs all that necessary? I thought it was a clip show, or something really really important that needed to come out to start wrapping things up?


Was it necessary to show us that Roslin's sisters and father were killed? I assumed that if she did have family they were killed in the Cylon attack.

We knew that Kara was with Zak Adama, And we knew that Lee and Adm Adama didn't know who she was until after Zaks death.

We already knew about Baltars back story. We knew he was from Aerilon and that he changed his voice to match that of a high society Caprican.

We also knew that Baltar Fraked anything that was good looking in a skirt.

If they cut that out and put in stuff that mattered to the wrapping up of the show I would have been happy. But I am still left with the same question.




WHAT THE FRAK WAS THAT????????

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
@ skydiver,

I will watch again later, but I think most of the people on the hanger deck volunteered, the small group ( which i think was about 1/5) were those not going.

Denanthor
March 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
I try not to be negative. I liked alot of the episodes everyone hates.. But what the hell. Where my expectations to high? this was a load of crap

I think i was more excited for the damn preview

Arative
March 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
there's still time but i was dissapponited

Quite honestly I am expecting 12 to survive and become the 12 Lords of Kobol and I always figured Baltar as one of them.

At the very least, I figured head 6 would have pushed him to go. Although it looked like he wanted to cross over but something was keeping from doing it. So maybe head 6 was keeping him doing it, so he could take over the fleet when everyone with a pair is gone?

At least Racetrack was back! She's too hot to rot in a cell.

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:18 PM
@ skydiver,

I will watch again later, but I think most of the people on the hanger deck volunteered, the small group ( which i think was about 1/5) were those not going.

the small group was the one going on rescue mission

cameron1
March 13th, 2009, 07:20 PM
anyone remember those cereal box prizes where you had to buy a whole bunch of cereal boxes for their proof-of-purchases, and then collect a whole bunch of proof-of-purchases for the prize, but not before waiting 4-6 weeks for the prize, and then when you get the prize, it's a piece of junk that's nowhere near what was advertised or imagined?

anyone remember those bugs bunny cartoons where elmer fudd is tricked for the umpteenth time, but instead of getting red in the face, the head of a jackass is momentarily superimposed for his face?

i'm not watching the last two hours of this show. enuf's enuf.

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:20 PM
the small group was the one going on rescue mission

I have to watch it again tommorrow, but I thought the large group was to starboard, and the small group to port.

Maybe after watching it again a second time tommorrow I will conclude something more deep from this episode, however, except for a few rare thoughts, nothing really comes to mind. This was a pure setup episode, and I really think all that occurred could have been achieved in 15 minutes or less. Am I wrong?

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:21 PM
I have to watch it again tommorrow, but I thought the large group was to starboard, and the small group to port.

lee,laura and kara where on the side to go, which was the small side

i have a photography memory trust me

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:27 PM
i have a photography memory trust me


LOL, I think you mean you have a "photographic memory" or perhaps an "Eidic" memory?

But if you have a photography memory, how many pictures does it hold? :)

HAL2100
March 13th, 2009, 07:28 PM
I will post below a very quick recap in spoilers so that those who have not seen and want to wait until the itunes release etc

The decision was made to strip down the ship. Various characters had intermittent flashbacks to when they were on Caprica, giving some minor insights into their character, Boomer, Cavil and a 2 and 3 were meeting around Hera, who has not eaten since she was taken, Cavil ordered her prepared for testing, and that scene faded with Boomer having that look in her eye where you thought she was going to do something. On the battlestar, they started stripping it down, meanwhile Baltar had a little chat with Lee trying to get a seat on the council for his minions and Lee told him off as he did not believe he was asking for selfless reasons. Then Kara and the Admiral met in the Anders chamber, and although the scene was cut away, we are led to believe they asked Anders where Hera was, and were told the location of Colony. The admiral went onto the hanger deck and addressed all the remaining BSG crew, and gave each a choice as to whether to accompany him on a mission to rescue Hera using Galactica, most decided yes including the pres, the final five, Caprica 6 - all the prisoners in the brig were released and it appears most of them opted to go as well. Jumped to a scene where a raptor piloted by Racetrack scouting found the Colony, located in orbit around a black hole, jumped back to Galactica where Adama, Saul, Lee, Galen, Kara and others looked at the photos Racetrack took, and realised the only place safe to jump is within 1 km of the Colony, with likely every weapon on Colony pointed at that exact spot. Adama said "lets get to it" and ep ended

I'll be watching it tommorrow via iTunes, but given that RDM stated : Spoilers for finale : that no everything would be tied up - or at least answers would provided, but the answers would only raise other questions - this smacks of the finale being something where Galactica is destroyed, several main characters get killed off (the actor who plays Helo stated in an interview that things go badly for him), Hera ends up back in the fleet, the Cavil's are wiped out, the other models reunite and together they with the remaining human ships fly off into the sunset looking for a new planet to call home...and we're left wondering about who's behind it all...

(For the record, if we're not completely satisfied with the conclusion next week, I think we should start a campaign to send RDM, SciFi and Universal miscellaneous nuts and bolts out of protest.)

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:29 PM
LOL, I think you mean you have a "photographic memory" or perhaps an "Eidic" memory?

But if you have a photography memory, how many pictures does it hold? :)

several enough to tell my grand kids how one man vision changed everything i thought i knew about television

and what galactica used to look like

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:39 PM
several enough to tell my grand kids how one man vision changed everything i thought i knew about television

and what galactica used to look like

Yes, I remember watching the original, although it was for me quite the letdown after better efforts like UFO in 71. Interesting, I don't think I have seen any mention on the forums of Space 1999 either, which I also feel was a reasonable effort, and I was religious about watching both it and UFO before it. Original BSG came off as somewhat cheesy after those efforts to me. I agree this version has rewritten the book.

the fifth man
March 13th, 2009, 07:44 PM
I actually enjoyed tonight's episode. Yeah, it was a lot of setup for what is left next week. But I didn't mind it one bit. It was nice to see what had gone on in their personal lives leading up to the attack. And the preparation for the rescue attempt on Hera.

I can't believe that next week is it. It will definitely be bittersweet.

Pharaoh Atem
March 13th, 2009, 07:45 PM
I actually enjoyed tonight's episode. Yeah, it was a lot of setup for what is left next week. But I didn't mind it one bit. It was nice to see what had gone on in their personal lives leading up to the attack. And the preparation for the rescue attempt on Hera.

I can't believe that next week is it. It will definitely be bittersweet.

nice to see someone thinks like me

Espeon1962
March 13th, 2009, 07:52 PM
I'll be watching it tommorrow via iTunes, but given that RDM stated : Spoilers for finale : that no everything would be tied up - or at least answers would provided, but the answers would only raise other questions - this smacks of the finale being something where Galactica is destroyed, several main characters get killed off (the actor who plays Helo stated in an interview that things go badly for him), Hera ends up back in the fleet, the Cavil's are wiped out, the other models reunite and together they with the remaining human ships fly off into the sunset looking for a new planet to call home...and we're left wondering about who's behind it all...

(For the record, if we're not completely satisfied with the conclusion next week, I think we should start a campaign to send RDM, SciFi and Universal miscellaneous nuts and bolts out of protest.)

Yes, and I also recall he stating in an interview they saved all their budget for the end, but I was hoping that was for three episodes, not two.

It was not the worst episode ever, just I suppose anti-climatic. Its like going on a second date, and finding out you get along and you have lots in common but the romantic chemistry is not there - it was enjoyable company but you had higher expectations...

Chev's Ron
March 13th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Tonights episode was good, I liked the flashbacks showing the characters backstories, though some of them I felt could have been left for the DVD release (which I predict the "removed" scenes might add up to an hour longer), and reinserted some of those left on the DVD when it came to Laura Rolsin.

Frankly Roslyn's character never meant much to me, but I know for a fact some people loved Roslyn's revelation about her family.

Baltar's scenes with his father left me unnerved, reminds me of a family situation I know of... Nice that Caprica 6 took care of the old man, even if she was responcible for his death in the end. (Baltar didn't kill his old man, 6 did).

I could say more, but I am dead tired, even there are other points I loved about the episode.

Just one last thing, could they at least have showed the scene where Anders tells Adama the location of the Colony? was he fluid? Did he scream out coordinates? what?

Night!

the fifth man
March 13th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I'm enjoying this one even more the second time around.:)

Arative
March 13th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I am watching the second airing and the scene when Adama is going to ask Anders where the colony is. Great scene by the way, with Adama calling Kara his daughter.

But a line that Anders said caught my attention. He was saying something about lace. Then he said must find a perfect place for the end of Kara Thrace. end of line.

I wonder if that is what Anders is doing when he is plugged in. Scouring the cosmos for a habitable planet for Kara. And if the future of human and cylon is Hera, it would be the end of humanity because the two races would combine. Which would fit Kara as the harbinger of death.

fwupow
March 13th, 2009, 08:57 PM
WHAT THE FRAK WAS THAT????????

My sentiments exactly!

It's the 2nd to last frakkin episode and they waste our time with all that back story fodder?

Talk about limping into home plate!

They should have wrote and shot the final episodes first before they ran out of gas.

Was that some sort of Caprica'esque sneak peek? I can turn on the Guiding Light for that kind of vomit inducement.

I think I'm going to be sick right now.

Phenix
March 13th, 2009, 08:57 PM
I'll be watching it tommorrow via iTunes, but given that RDM stated : Spoilers for finale : that no everything would be tied up - or at least answers would provided, but the answers would only raise other questions - this smacks of the finale being something where Galactica is destroyed, several main characters get killed off (the actor who plays Helo stated in an interview that things go badly for him), Hera ends up back in the fleet, the Cavil's are wiped out, the other models reunite and together they with the remaining human ships fly off into the sunset looking for a new planet to call home...and we're left wondering about who's behind it all...

(For the record, if we're not completely satisfied with the conclusion next week, I think we should start a campaign to send RDM, SciFi and Universal miscellaneous nuts and bolts out of protest.)

Why are you posting a spoiler for the finale in this thread? I always see you post before watching the episode. Honestly I don't know why you're in this one. You don't need to say anything about the finale in a thread for 419. I really don't get the point of the majority of your posts.

MattSilver 3k
March 13th, 2009, 08:58 PM
I actually enjoyed tonight's episode. Yeah, it was a lot of setup for what is left next week. But I didn't mind it one bit. It was nice to see what had gone on in their personal lives leading up to the attack. And the preparation for the rescue attempt on Hera.

I can't believe that next week is it. It will definitely be bittersweet.

Dude, thank you. The first positive comment on this thread that I agree with. This episode was a setup, and I loved every minute of it.

It's not about answers for me - it's about characters and all that fun. And it delivered with the flashbacks and alike. And I liked a lot of characters got a moment in this ep. Hotdog with his son and the pilot photos, Racetrack and Skulls ("If someone's got a recon mission where someone needs to hang their ass over the edge and wait for a bite, send Racetrack and Skulls!"), Apollo), Cottle and his wanting to join the mission, Anders' flashback to when he was normal, and all that. No huge angst from Adama, which I liked.

Can't wait for next week.

Phenix
March 13th, 2009, 09:11 PM
I do not post often on this site. I try to avoid posting about BSG. A typical episode will make me think about a great deal and honestly I don't feel like working through my thought process on here. Sadly this episode was terrible. The flashbacks were a waste of time and 1000000% filler. The lackluster nature of this episode has made me post.

My biggest problem with this episode lies in the flashbacks. The writers of BSG lost focus. The show lost a lot of steam with Tigh and Caprica 6. Ellen's return made me question if the writers were attempting to foil Tigh and Ellen with Adama and Roslin. The cylon couple was apparently narcissistic, emotionally, and physically destructive where as Adama and Roslin were seemingly the exact opposite. I decided to make this leap based on my trust of the writers. I was mistaken.

I believe it is apparent that the writers mishandled Tigh and Caprica 6. They've lost their way for quite some time. I honestly really enjoyed the interactions between Ellen, Cap 6 and Tigh. However, what was the point? The show originally posited that Baltar and Caprica 6 were important to the fate of Hera. We now have only two hours left yet Baltar and Caprica 6 are not reconciled. How will the Opera House turn out? Was it really a waste of time?

As for the show. What can you really say? The episode had real gems but the flashbacks destroyed it. I see no point to it. Perhaps another poster will point me to some significance but I can not see how that is possible. I truly enjoyed the scene between Starbuck and Adama. Lee and Baltar was classic. They really pointed out that Lee had become a one dimensional character. He only cares about Starbuck. Its sad but I can relate. We men are not the most intelligent lot. I admittedly felt true emtion (nearly cried) when Roslin came on deck. The show had some much potential but those flashbacks killed it before it began.

In the end I believe BSG will have failed because the writers lost their way. The actors are amazing but they can not make up for unfocused story telling.

Bruman
March 13th, 2009, 09:15 PM
All I can say is that next week's finale better be frakkin awesome! I haven't really enjoyed any episode thoroughly since "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales." Since then, the episodes have been mildly interesting, but nothing all that great. Each week, we chalk it up to "they're setting things up to really make it good later," and I've been patient. Now it's all down to one two-hour finale. I'm sure it will be good - better than the last set of stuff, but it better be frakkin awesome to be worth 3-4 episodes of setup.

So, one more week to go.

Vis Uban
March 13th, 2009, 09:15 PM
I actually liked this episode, but then again, I knew going in that it was just going to be a lead up to next week's two hour event. So knowing the suspense factor was going to be present at the end really just let me enjoy the episode, especially the Caprica parts, which I thought were interesting. The hanger scene was probably my favorite though, especially with Lee being the first to cross the line, and the Roslin and Starbuck moment took me back to Season One's "Hand of God." A very good, emotional scene.

Bruman
March 13th, 2009, 09:17 PM
And what's with the delays on the podcasts?

Denny Crane
March 13th, 2009, 09:39 PM
What I can't understand is why the admiral thinks that he can't risk losing a doctor but he can stand to lose THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the government. Roslyn, Lee, does he want to have Baltar take over?

What about military command. Who would take command of the basestar if Galactica goes boom? Did Tigh volunteer? I doubt the Rebel Cylons are going to listen to a lieutenant.

This plans just lacks follow through. If Baltar doesn't become Sultan after this he doesn't deserve his harem.

ravenw
March 13th, 2009, 10:01 PM
Stayed up real late to watch this one.

Let me first say that I enjoyed this episode immensely. It reminded me, again, why I love this show. Its all about people, their lives, their struggles - and now all this is coming to an end one way or another.

Showing flashbacks like that was a nice touch. It was great to see Roslin in good physical shape in them, although I think we all know what's coming soon for her.

I see a disturbing amount of complaints about "slowness" or a lack of action. Too bad some people can't enjoy it, I'm loving every second of it. Ha!

I'm happy. I'll always remember this show fondly. Can't wait for next week.

wontgetfooledagain
March 13th, 2009, 10:02 PM
In the end I believe BSG will have failed because the writers lost their way. The actors are amazing but they can not make up for unfocused story telling.
I agree somewhat with a couple other posters who said that they didn't mind or even enjoyed this episode for the character stuff. However, I also think that they definitely could have done more with what they had and it does seem like the final act of Battlestar Galactica, which is by far the most important act, will be a letdown.

Anubis00
March 13th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Did anyone understand what Lee's deal was with the bird??
I understood Baltar and Lauras' flashbacks,but Lee's made no sense outside of the one he had with Zack and Kara.

Browncoat1984
March 13th, 2009, 10:18 PM
I can honestly say I've been extremely disappointed with these last nine episodes. I thought they were going to go all out with the final ten...instead they just keep teasing us with little tidbits but never following up on them. I keep on thinking about Babylon 5 vs. Battlestar Galactica when I think about how the show would end. With B5 there was never really a feeling like "this is so convuluted" from day 1 through to the final day, everything fell into place, even considering that season 5 felt a little stretched but that wasn't JMS's fault. By the time you saw the final scenes of B5, you knew it was over. You could look back on the past five years and say "it was worth it, it all made sense." Not so with BSG. Granted, JMS wrote one and a half seasons all by himself, but with something like B5, and I would put BSG in that same category, when it comes to the writing you have to be that structured or it will fall apart like it is now (anyone remember the X-Files).

With BSG, the failure to plan anything ahead of time is finally rearing its ugly head and proves that, with a heavily serialized show you need to plan ahead at least for the whole season rather than write "on the seat of your pants." Remember seasons 3-4 of B5? Almost no episode was wasted across two seasons of that show. When B5 hit the meat of its story, which is season's 3-4, after the buildup with 1-2, you rarely ever got done with an episode and thought "how does this forward the story?"

In an episodic series like Star Trek, I can accept that if there's five episode left, a few of them might be stinkers, because its episodic and not meant to form one cohesive story. Even Stargate I can accept that the next to last episode might not be a crowd pleaser, but in a TV show like BSG its IMHO unacceptable.

Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I look back on the past nine episodes and I feel really underwhelmed. Maybe the finale will prove me wrong and will answer all those burning questions that we still have. I'm praying that it'll end the way Frascape ended, with an awesome finale/miniseries that did the best it could to conclude a series that was canceled prematurely. I've been watching since season 1, so I might as well stick around for the finale, if anything out of curiosity to see how it all ends.

That's not to say that I didn't like these episodes, just that when I look at what's come before as far as what we've had in sci-fi series, they could have been so much better. R

One a side note, am I the only one who noticed the absurd amount of commercials on sci-fi? Its like every five minutes there was a commercial break...they're becoming as bad as discovery channel...and am I the only one whose annoyed that sci-fi comes in so soft over my speakers? I really have to turn them up to be able to hear what's going on, then there's a commercial break and a commercial from my cable company comes on and I feel like I'm going deaf beacuse its so loud...

Detox
March 13th, 2009, 10:34 PM
The only part that I really enjoyed in this episode was the last bit in the hanger.

I think that scene set the tone for the final episode very well. It's sort of touching to see so many people siding with Adama.

Did anyone else notice Gaius in that scene? It seemed to me as if he was struggling to decided whether or not to go. I think he's actually changed.

I also noticed that pretty much all of the marines decided to side with Adama.

PG15
March 13th, 2009, 10:46 PM
Woopie, another episode where nothing happens.

This finale better be good.

garhkal
March 13th, 2009, 10:55 PM
Chris777- keep your fingers crossed, I think it is building up to something. Boomer had that look in her eyes! I predict :ronananime16:

That she did, and it made me think she was going to do another alegance switch.


Aside from the emptied out Galactica, Baltar's struggle with his selfishness, and the speech from Adama and the people volunteering, it was an entire waste of the second last episode.

True, the whole flash back to caprica could have been ignored/wrote out... it brought nothing imo to the table


I was half expecting Baltar to step across the line, doing his one selfish act.

Part of me hoped he would have, but part of me knew he would not.


Nice that Caprica 6 took care of the old man, even if she was responcible for his death in the end. (Baltar didn't kill his old man, 6 did).

True, but i would like to know how she did it since she is not family. therefore she had no legal capacity to move him.

AnUbIs2004
March 13th, 2009, 11:06 PM
This episode was just proof positive that the writers have no *(#)@ing clue. I agree that the flashback parts were completely 100% unnecessary as far as I could see. It is like the writers got to this point and have no idea on how to make an epic ending to what was SUPPOSED to be an epic journey. But of course beginning with season 3 the so called epic journey turned into something more like a cheap reality show.

BSG is the one and only show I have ever watched, liked at some point, and desired to end. My feelings at this point are anticipation for a major let down to the ending.

p.s. Hollywood, please do not allow RM to do any more shows!

retiredat44
March 13th, 2009, 11:09 PM
good story but too much time wasted,, too much filler... pretty wacky filler on the dream lives of the characters in the year 2009 on Earth... The last two hours better not be filler... it has of splaining to do... but, I can't wait.. I have been awaiting a long time for a coherent episode. The last 2 hours next week must be it! ;)

morjana
March 14th, 2009, 12:13 AM
So, Doctor Cottle's first name is ... Sherman?

morjana
March 14th, 2009, 12:17 AM
was that Joseph adama that bill was talking to in the flash back???

It was actor Kevin McNulty, but I don't think he was portraying Joseph Adama. I thought he was more like our version of the Secretary of the Navy (or similar), getting William Adama to host the Secretary of Education (Laura Roslin) for an hour on the Battlestar Galactica for a political public appearance/promotion (remember the mini-series?).

morjana
March 14th, 2009, 12:26 AM
I actually enjoyed tonight's episode. Yeah, it was a lot of setup for what is left next week. But I didn't mind it one bit. It was nice to see what had gone on in their personal lives leading up to the attack. And the preparation for the rescue attempt on Hera.

I can't believe that next week is it. It will definitely be bittersweet.

I enjoyed tonight's episode too.

Just a reminder everyone, next Friday is ALL Battlestar ALL DAY:

MARCH 20 '09

08:00A SINE QUA NON
09:00A HUB
10:00A REVELATIONS
11:00A SOMETIMES A GREAT NOTION
12:00P A DISQUIET FOLLOWS MY SOUL
1:00P THE OATH
2:00P BLOOD ON THE SCALES
3:00P NO EXIT
4:00P DEADLOCK
5:00P SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME
6:00P ISLANDED IN A STREAM OF STARS

7:00P BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE LAST FRAKKIN' SPECIAL
8:00P DAYBREAK - PART 1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/bsg/daybreak2a.jpg

09:00 PM DAYBREAK - PART 2 - NOTE 9PM START TIME!

11:00P DAYBREAK - PART 1

12:00 AM DAYBREAK - PART 2

2:00A BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE LAST FRAKKIN' SPECIAL

knowles2
March 14th, 2009, 02:26 AM
What a rubbish episode, honestly I was doing my work which incredible boring instead of watching this.
We have what eight set up episodes in a row and non about the metal cylons new found freedoms, non about the angles, nothing on a new world, no answers, I would even of settle some decent flash backs of the ff or even of cylons when they were attacking the colony and what there plans were, okay I forgot they saving that for another tv movie, when it should just be part of the tv series.


The flash backs could been done anytime in the last four years and serve no purpose what so ever in this ep or telling any more of the story in fact you probably skip all of them and still not of missed anything important.
The discovery of colony should of happen in the first 10 minutes with the rest being base preparations and making the decision of whether to join the attack, it would of been interesting if the tin heads were also give a choice on whether to help in the rescue mission or protect the fleet. In fact what the frack going on with the tin heads we have not heard anything from them what a wast.

Roslin should of died at least 2 episodes ago, her story is needlessly being drag out.

Baltar will someone just shoot him in the head, I bored with his character I mean does he actually ever do anything useful.

Browncoat1984

I can honestly say I've been extremely disappointed with these last nine episodes. I thought they were going to go all out with the final ten...instead they just keep teasing us with little tidbits but never following up on them. I keep on thinking about Babylon 5 vs. Battlestar Galactica when I think about how the show would end. With B5 there was never really a feeling like "this is so convuluted" from day 1 through to the final day, everything fell into place, even considering that season 5 felt a little stretched but that wasn't JMS's fault. By the time you saw the final scenes of B5, you knew it was over. You could look back on the past five years and say "it was worth it, it all made sense." Not so with BSG. Granted, JMS wrote one and a half seasons all by himself, but with something like B5, and I would put BSG in that same category, when it comes to the writing you have to be that structured or it will fall apart like it is now (anyone remember the X-Files).

With BSG, the failure to plan anything ahead of time is finally rearing its ugly head and proves that, with a heavily serialized show you need to plan ahead at least for the whole season rather than write "on the seat of your pants." Remember seasons 3-4 of B5? Almost no episode was wasted across two seasons of that show. When B5 hit the meat of its story, which is season's 3-4, after the buildup with 1-2, you rarely ever got done with an episode and thought "how does this forward the story?"

In an episodic series like Star Trek, I can accept that if there's five episode left, a few of them might be stinkers, because its episodic and not meant to form one cohesive story. Even Stargate I can accept that the next to last episode might not be a crowd pleaser, but in a TV show like BSG its IMHO unacceptable.

Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I look back on the past nine episodes and I feel really underwhelmed. Maybe the finale will prove me wrong and will answer all those burning questions that we still have. I'm praying that it'll end the way Frascape ended, with an awesome finale/miniseries that did the best it could to conclude a series that was canceled prematurely. I've been watching since season 1, so I might as well stick around for the finale, if anything out of curiosity to see how it all ends.

That's not to say that I didn't like these episodes, just that when I look at what's come before as far as what we've had in sci-fi series, they could have been so much better. R
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I agree with Babylon 5 being an example of how you do a perfect serial, BSG is how you do not do it. And Lost is an other example of how you do it. In fact I would love if it was J. Michael Straczynski was in charge of the series at least I confident that we would awesome space battles and action scenes with a good story to boot.



Did anyone else notice Gaius in that scene? It seemed to me as if he was struggling to decided whether or not to go. I think he's actually changed.
To me if his character does not cross the line on his own or end up on the mission somehow, may be someone will force him to go knowing the fleet will be better off without him then he been a wasted character part of a wasted last ten episodes.

morjana shame I cannot get it , it might solve my bout insomnia I been having for the past few weeks.

Pharaoh Atem
March 14th, 2009, 02:37 AM
I'm enjoying this one even more the second time around.:)

i'll watch it again later today

i really want to see the flashbacks again ...there added so much the character back stories

Wayston
March 14th, 2009, 02:42 AM
once more... a bore...

Pharaoh Atem
March 14th, 2009, 02:44 AM
i was mad that it ended :( i wanted the ep to keep going

surprised everyone hated it so much

salmidach
March 14th, 2009, 03:29 AM
What a waste of 43 minutes of my life.

I have watched every episode of BSG, got all the DVD's and I actually think the last 3 episodes are up there with the worst of them all...

Who cares about Baltar's dad, who cares what happened to Roslin's family. that could have been sorted way before these final 3 episodes. No wonder this show was canned, what with the dribble that Moore has been dishing out for the last 3 hours....

I actually can't wait for this show to end now. I'm actually thinking, thank the gods i've only got two more episodes to watch. by this time next week it will all be over

Night Marshal
March 14th, 2009, 04:05 AM
Reading the comments this episodes seems to come down to do you like the flash backs or not. Personally when I think of closing a show flash backs are ok if your name is "Family Matters" or something like that. These felt like they were trying one last time to make us care about these very faulted people. At this point people either care or they don't in my mind really Roslin family was killed my a Drunk driver why don't give them a Puppy and kitten too so that we can feel bad because they died too. It just seemed to me a needless emotion exercise and all of the flash backs had that feel.

I also can't help but think the flash backs were filler to get this thing up to 3 hours.

As for comparison to Babylon 5. I agree completely when Babylon 5 days were numbered JMS didn't try to create even more tention by stealing Delens baby and having one last mission on the Lightstar to save her. They could have that is whats going on here. Part of what I liked about BSG is cylons thought they were doing the right things for the right reasons. When you make Cavale the big bad you might as well give him the big black mustache and have he doing his evil laugh all the time. Because to me it has the same effect. And that has been the driving force behind the show for four years we learn and its just empty.

Looking forward we are going to have one kick ass space battle because clearly they have been saving there money for the last half dozen eps. But honestly I have seen space battles before and I will see them again. The fact they made us wait for 6 extra months for this makes me very sad. I have no intention of watching Caprica because its going to be same kind of Delayed over simplistic stuff that make me sad in this show.

squaretie
March 14th, 2009, 04:23 AM
Perhaps they showed us these characters that no longer exist because they'll exist on the colony they're trying to get to. Crossing the river to their destiny -- everyone's a cylon.


Previously on Battlestar Galactica.... The last 10 years of meaningless CRAP!

What the bloody FRAK was all that crap?

Where those flash backs all that necessary? I thought it was a clip show, or something really really important that needed to come out to start wrapping things up?


Was it necessary to show us that Roslin's sisters and father were killed? I assumed that if she did have family they were killed in the Cylon attack.

We knew that Kara was with Zak Adama, And we knew that Lee and Adm Adama didn't know who she was until after Zaks death.

We already knew about Baltars back story. We knew he was from Aerilon and that he changed his voice to match that of a high society Caprican.

We also knew that Baltar Fraked anything that was good looking in a skirt.

If they cut that out and put in stuff that mattered to the wrapping up of the show I would have been happy. But I am still left with the same question.




WHAT THE FRAK WAS THAT????????

mr_kennedy
March 14th, 2009, 04:39 AM
i liked this episode, yes it was abit dissapointing but it was still good, that interview with anders was very cylon like

i was hoping baltar would cross the red line :(

i do not know why everyone hated this episode for

peragrin
March 14th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Do most of you even watch the same show as I?

Roslin's flash back scene is exactly where she goes to die. It is her river styx. It is where her family and friends are waiting for her. And now we know why she dreamed about it last friggin season.

Kara's flash back is to line up her involvement's and to sort out her next thoughts. She knows a plan exists she is just trying to find it.

Lee's flashback shows how much he has changed. Lee likes order, likes things neat a bird in your apartment isn't neat.

Adama's plan is bold, but that is the difference between human and cylon. Cylons take calculated risks, Humans don't care about the odds and will go off anyways knowing they will die but they will achieve their objective.

Frankly this is the best. As it does show the fundamental difference between human and cylon. Namely courage in the face of death. It is why the final five are willing to go, why a 6 is willing to go, but tory, athena, can't move their feet willingly.

maybe that is it. those who are disappointed in these last episodes are just cylons :p

Sue_Jackson
March 14th, 2009, 05:28 AM
Wow. That was.....different. I assume this all leading to something. Though....I thought most of the episode was kinda dull. Although.....I did find the flashbacks kinda interesting. I guess they were kind of like reminders of how their lives used to be before the holocoust.

I still can't stand Baltar. He such a self-centered, conceited little coward. I was waiting for Lee to smack him or something.

The best part to the episode was the end where Bill decides to go rescue Hera. I love he gets everybody together......and asks who is gonna volunteer.

Next week looks soooo exciting! :D Just 2 eps to go. :)

Norian
March 14th, 2009, 05:36 AM
I loved this episode, partly because I look at it as the first hour of a three hour movie, like the Miniseries. Moore wrote and Rhymer (sp?) directed the Miniseries as well as this ep and like the latter, Daybreak 1 starts off slow and builds towards something that unfortunately for us will only be concluded next week.

I believe that the characters shown in the flashbacks are the ones central to the true ending of the series. The true ending, not the last big battle. Next week the meaning of the flashbacks will become clear, I hope and expect.

To those of you who wish Roslin dead already, her part of the overall story has not been completed yet. The Opera House and Hera are still unexplained and she is a part of that, with Caprica, Athena and Baltar.

However I was intrigued by Peragrin's comment that Roslin's flashback related to her death, that it shows us who besides her mother will be waiting for her. Another question is will Roslin be waiting for Adama or Adama for her?

MattSilver 3k
March 14th, 2009, 05:46 AM
Do most of you even watch the same show as I?

Roslin's flash back scene is exactly where she goes to die. It is her river styx. It is where her family and friends are waiting for her. And now we know why she dreamed about it last friggin season.

Kara's flash back is to line up her involvement's and to sort out her next thoughts. She knows a plan exists she is just trying to find it.

Lee's flashback shows how much he has changed. Lee likes order, likes things neat a bird in your apartment isn't neat.

maybe that is it. those who are disappointed in these last episodes are just cylons :p

Agreed. And Sam's flashback showed probably how different he was or something, and for the viewer to like see he went from a jock Pyramid player to something important like a Hybrid.

Baltar's flashbacks are probably leading to the first time Caprica 6 tells him she loves him and is devoted to him in some way. Or we're seeing how much of a prick he was.

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March 14th, 2009, 06:48 AM
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drake122
March 14th, 2009, 07:05 AM
Ron Moore should get diarrhoea for making such a crap episode.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 14th, 2009, 07:10 AM
I can't tell if they were trying to copy LOST or use the next to last episode as a giant commercial for Caprica. (which we pretty much know is gonna suck now)

The flashbacks were a complete waste of time. In LOST, the flashbacks always had some relevance to the actual story or the character, usually both. I guess we learned that Apollo can't hit a bird with a broom stick when he's drunk...? wtf?

It's also nice to know that Chief either turned himself in or was caught and thrown in jail? What? Did I miss something?

Even if next week's episode is amazing, it wont be enough to redeem this complete failure of the last 1/2 of this season.

Vale_Sg1
March 14th, 2009, 07:11 AM
The episode was kind of slow but I honestly liked it more than the two preceding ones. But I don't understand the need to draw this out until the very end when they have so many questions still left unanswered.

I'm sure the finale will be epic, but I don't want it to be an epic *fail*

P-90_177
March 14th, 2009, 07:13 AM
I can't tell if they were trying to copy LOST or use the next to last episode as a giant commercial for Caprica. (which we pretty much know is gonna suck now)

The flashbacks were a complete waste of time. In LOST, the flashbacks always had some relevance to the actual story or the character, usually both. I guess we learned that Apollo can't hit a bird with a broom stick when he's drunk...? wtf?

It's also nice to know that Chief either turned himself in or was caught and thrown in jail? What? Did I miss something?

Even if next week's episode is amazing, it wont be enough to redeem this complete failure of the last 1/2 of this season.

i really don't know why so many people aren't liking this last quarter of the season. every episode is top notch awesome.

peragrin
March 14th, 2009, 07:45 AM
sam and Balar

oh crap I missed Sam and Baltar. Bad Peri, Bad.

Actually sam was playing for that perfect moment. being a hybrid in charge of a battlestar going out in a blaze of glory is just such a moment. It will be perfect. the most beautiful ending, the blaze of glory that a ship like galactica deserves to end her life like. Not a museum as when the series started but mission of life.

Baltar, Well he is simple, everything he does is for himself. And lee did smack Baltar. Smacked him with something harder than a fist, the truth. Lee gave him a chance to act for others instead, and he failed. The admiral gave him a chance to act and he failed. he has taken the first step though. he finally has been able to admit his weakness to himself, in front of another.

Bruman
March 14th, 2009, 07:45 AM
I'm just frustrated that so much of the last 3 or 4 episodes as just been filler. Mildly interesting filler, and I wouldn't have a problem with the last episode if the past several hadn't been pretty much just like it.

And the Caprica flashbacks. I just figured it was a plug to get people interested in the Caprica series coming up.

P-90_177
March 14th, 2009, 08:18 AM
I'm just frustrated that so much of the last 3 or 4 episodes as just been filler. Mildly interesting filler, and I wouldn't have a problem with the last episode if the past several hadn't been pretty much just like it.

And the Caprica flashbacks. I just figured it was a plug to get people interested in the Caprica series coming up.

it isn't really filler. it's a set up for the end. setting the stage and making sure all the pieces are in place.

Detox
March 14th, 2009, 09:06 AM
To be fair to Moore. Day Break Pt1 shouldn't be counted as an episode.

Day Break's the actually final episode, but Sci Fi broke it into two parts. I don't think Moore planned for it to be separated.

Espeon1962
March 14th, 2009, 09:37 AM
To be fair to Moore. Day Break Pt1 shouldn't be counted as an episode.

Day Break's the actually final episode, but Sci Fi broke it into two parts. I don't think Moore planned for it to be separated.

Yes, I agree that as one 3 hour episode it makes a little more sense. On its own I still feel, even after watching in full a 2nd time, that it leaves the viewer wanting (and not for the finale!).

It did have some touching moments, for instance, we have seen Starbuck receive from both father and son affirmation that irrespective of who or what she is, their love for her is undiminished.

Tory actually got a line or two in this episode; she has been severely underutilized of late other then as a human hating embracing her heritage cylon.

There were other little moments, like the moment where Adama told Doc Cottle he was not going to be part of this one.

Yes, part of the greatness of BSG is the characterization, particularly with this large ensemble.

And yes, I get it, the calm before the storm, with all the introspective that normally occurs before the heroic climactic end, but nonetheless, I was still left "unfullfilled" after this first hour. If it had been the pilot, I might very well have turned it off.

As I said in the very first post on this thread (before the mods moved over some posts I and others had did on the end of the thread for 418 which we made when we were watching the episode) -


"Is that it"?

wontgetfooledagain
March 14th, 2009, 09:53 AM
Did anyone understand what Lee's deal was with the bird??
I understood Baltar and Lauras' flashbacks,but Lee's made no sense outside of the one he had with Zack and Kara.
I am going to guess that since birds fly, it may have been related to the fact that his brother died in a Viper accident. Note that Lee was quite drunk at the time.

No wonder this show was canned, what with the dribble that Moore has been dishing out for the last 3 hours....
It was announced that this would be the final season long before these episodes were made.

Berg417448
March 14th, 2009, 10:02 AM
In some cultures a bird flying inside a house is considered to be an omen of bad luck or death so maybe that was what the scene was meant to convey.

Pigeon=Harbinger of death= Kara Thrace

magictrick
March 14th, 2009, 10:19 AM
Very slow episode, but obviously necessary to setup the 2nd part. I am now expecting a truly amazing final episode.

I feel like the creators wanted this to be shown as one entire episode, too bad Sci-Fi decided to break it down into 2 parts.

I think next week they are showing daybreak pt 1 again before the finale pt 2, so I would recommend people who haven't watched it to hold out until then.

HAL2100
March 14th, 2009, 10:28 AM
Why are you posting a spoiler for the finale in this thread? I always see you post before watching the episode. Honestly I don't know why you're in this one. You don't need to say anything about the finale in a thread for 419. I really don't get the point of the majority of your posts.

1) I'm a fan of the show and need to get my fix ASAP.
2) I can certainly comment on the other information posted here as it does provide excellent information on the content of the show.
3) Do you honestly think that I've seen the final episode and know how it ends? The post was a theory based on the series as a whole, apart from the mention of the one actor and what he/she stated happens to the character in question. I can *easily* see RDM leaving certain things unresolved that we all want to know simply because the series is all about humanity and a part of being human is that there are times where we're not provided with the answers that we want or answers to the questions that we have. I can tell you right now that there are people out there who ask themselves every day why they escaped something bad happening to them because the dog just happened to run out of the house which caused them to miss the train that would have taken them to the building in which a plane crashed.

Phenix
March 14th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Do most of you even watch the same show as I?

Roslin's flash back scene is exactly where she goes to die. It is her river styx. It is where her family and friends are waiting for her. And now we know why she dreamed about it last friggin season.

Kara's flash back is to line up her involvement's and to sort out her next thoughts. She knows a plan exists she is just trying to find it.

Lee's flashback shows how much he has changed. Lee likes order, likes things neat a bird in your apartment isn't neat.

Adama's plan is bold, but that is the difference between human and cylon. Cylons take calculated risks, Humans don't care about the odds and will go off anyways knowing they will die but they will achieve their objective.

Frankly this is the best. As it does show the fundamental difference between human and cylon. Namely courage in the face of death. It is why the final five are willing to go, why a 6 is willing to go, but tory, athena, can't move their feet willingly.

maybe that is it. those who are disappointed in these last episodes are just cylons :p

We clearly do not watch the same show.

Tory is one of the Final Five....

Athena is broken. She just witnessed Boomer frakking Helo after getting beaten down by the same Boomer. If that isn't enough her daughter is kidnapped. O and to top that all off she knows that Cavil will dissect her. And you wonder why she's unable to move. Do you even understand how humanity of her actions?

And thankfully I don't really belong in your "human" family. I prefer calculated risks over. Saving Hera is a calculated risk. Many people realize that she is their only hope. Furthermore their trust in Adama is solid and they'll follow him if he believes their is a calculated chance.

Phenix
March 14th, 2009, 10:37 AM
1) I'm a fan of the show and need to get my fix ASAP.
2) I can certainly comment on the other information posted here as it does provide excellent information on the content of the show.
3) Do you honestly think that I've seen the final episode and know how it ends? The post was a theory based on the series as a whole, apart from the mention of the one actor and what he/she stated happens to the character in question. I can *easily* see RDM leaving certain things unresolved that we all want to know simply because the series is all about humanity and a part of being human is that there are times where we're not provided with the answers that we want or answers to the questions that we have. I can tell you right now that there are people out there who ask themselves every day why they escaped something bad happening to them because the dog just happened to run out of the house which caused them to miss the train that would have taken them to the building in which a plane crashed.

I was overly harsh towards you. A couple bottle or so of wine will do that. I don't think anyone on this site has seen the final two hours of BSG. I assumed you were posting spoilers from an actor or producer about the show's ending. I guess you did. I don't think that belongs in the thread for 419. Just my 2 cents.

HAL2100
March 14th, 2009, 10:46 AM
I was overly harsh towards you. A couple bottle or so of wine will do that. I don't think anyone on this site has seen the final two hours of BSG. I assumed you were posting spoilers from an actor or producer about the show's ending. I guess you did. I don't think that belongs in the thread for 419. Just my 2 cents.

It raises the question though as to whether or not comments made to the media should be considered as spoilers. Of course the comments that the person made suggests that the character involved dies, but I can easily see some other options, but of course I can't find the article now so maybe I was mistaken. Oh well... I've started collected some nuts and bolts to mail in to RDM if next week isn't satisfying.

Lucario
March 14th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Well, I guess I will write a review for this weeks episode, since I haven't wrote a review for an episode for quite while. I actually enjoyed this episode, even though it is a slow episode, but most part one episodes usually are slow, they set the stage for what you see in part two. So where to start.

The flash backs are certainly interesting, I often found myself wondering what they could mean. I do agree with some of the things that they represent some form of change within the character, however I do think they could mean something else, as to what I am not quite sure.

As for the story-line, it was slow but interesting to me. I like some of the back stories of the characters, due to the fact that it indeed showed the changes within the main characters. I also like the fact that Adama finally goes after Hera, along with the fact that no matter what Starbuck is, she is still his daughter (that was actually moving to me). As for Baltar, I am not surprised that Lee knocked him down with words, finally showed him for what he was to some extent, and I am not surprised that the Baltar didn't cross the line. As for the Final Five from the episodes I lost most respect for them (with the exception of Sam and Tigh). Tory and Tyrol, I am actually quite sick these characters. Tory trying to shift all blame to the humans not taking any responsability for what she done, and Tyrol, he never learns. As for Ellen I am not fond of her after she was reintroduced however she is changing so I might grow to respect her again. The president, I was quite moved that she left sick bay to be with the members who volenteered to go on mission, she could hardly stand, shaking the way she was but she crossed the line, that was very moving to me. As for Lee, I like the fact that in some small way he made Baltar face himself, to show him what he was, which was nothing, he did things to impress his name, not for pure selflessness. I also like the fact that he was going on the mission with his friends and family. Starbuck (Kara), she had come a long ways as well, I felt so sorry for her when Balter spilled the fact that she found her dead body. Now trying to figure out what she was, and how she knew the song with Hybrid Anders. I like the fact that she admited to Adama that she did indeed find her dead body and he didn't care. Now she is going on the last mission, after getting the information needed. Helo and Athena...hmm...I don't know what to say. I just hope they get Hera back. As for the Colony, Cavil is just play scary (Dean Stockwell plays the role good). As for Boomer, I hope she has a change of heart and helps the fleet on the mission. As for the other Cylons in the colony I don't know much about the characters so say much. As for the rebel cylons, we have seen much of them (with exceptions of the Sixes and Eights) although I wasn't surprised that they joined the mission, Hera is the future of both races.

All in all, though slow I found the episode moving in many ways, and I certainly can't wait for next weeks episode Galaticia's last mission I hope it is an episode to remember for a long time.

Briangate78
March 14th, 2009, 11:43 AM
I am likely in the minority here, but I really really loved this episode. It set up a lot of drama and used a lot of flashbacks to fuel what these characters are going through now and then. One of the most heartfeld moments of the entire series was when Adama escorts Rosyln to the volunteer side and she says "you don't intend to leave me behind" or something like that. The emotion was just so powerful. Normally set up eps are rather boring, but this one kept me on the edge of my seat and for the first time these characters really made me feel what they have been going through. Some eps for the last 10 were pretty pointless but this one was spot on the mark. So, a 9/10 for Daybreak for an excellent set up to something really big that and was filled with a lot of emotions.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 14th, 2009, 12:35 PM
it isn't really filler. it's a set up for the end. setting the stage and making sure all the pieces are in place.

The only real set-up was showing Starbuck and Adama asking Anders what the notes meant and then Adama asking anybody that wants to volunteer to go with them.

The rest was running in circles.

bmadiuk
March 14th, 2009, 12:36 PM
I'm just glad that half this thread feels the same way I do. What an absolute waste of the last 10 episodes. I was expecting more. Not 8 filler episodes that could easily have been put into a 30 minute opening of an hour episode. 2 hours (1.25 of actual show time considering the commercial breaks) to explain the last 5 years and the entire Battlestar plotline? I can't imagine how that is possible in and around the battle at the colony.

There's SO many loose ends. Remember the breeding colony on Caprica where they harvested Kara's ovary? What the FRAK happened to that? I mean there's dozens and dozens of little plot lines like that and we will never get the true closure we should have because the last half of this season has been awfully written.

If I wanted slow drama with no plot advancement, I'd watch Days of our Lives.

bfldworker
March 14th, 2009, 01:15 PM
One of the other things I liked about the episode (which isn't much, mind you). Is the line that Sam shot off. In typical Hybrid form.

Spins and turns, angles and curves, the shape of dreams half remembered. Slip the surly bonds of Earth and touch the face of perfection. A perfect face, a perfect lace, find a perfect world for the end of Kara Thrace.
End of line.

bfldworker
March 14th, 2009, 01:24 PM
I just got done watching it again. I have to recant most of what I have said. I still think the first 15 minutes was pointless. I felt the story could have started without the back story of the Adamas, Thrace and Roslin.

However, the rest wasn't all that bad on second blush. It shows how hard it was for people to leave the ship that has been home and it's protector for the better part of 4 years.

Personally I liked how Adm Adama stepped up and made the decision to get Hara back. I do wish however it showed all 3 hours of it.

Valar
March 14th, 2009, 01:43 PM
I think that Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death for the Cylons.
Personally I was hooked to this episode. I've watched every BSG episode since the minseries in 2003 and the couple hundred jumps they took in the first epi :)
The second half of BSG is a wind down of all that has transpired. The explanation of the Final Five and their role, Cavil, the mythology, accepting the idea that Cylons and humans can co-exist after billions died by their hands.
There's so much to take in and yet you're still left wondering what's next?
I admit some of the flashbacks had me wondering if i was watching LOST, but at the same time - this is Moore. All will be answered on March 20th.

HAL2100
March 14th, 2009, 01:47 PM
For those interested in the ramblings of a naked man with a shaved head sitting in a tub of goo whose as plugged in as plugged in gets... (I wonder if he Twitters as he's plugged in and unplugged)

High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee
No 412 squadron, RCAF
Killed 11 December 1941

ToasterOnFire
March 14th, 2009, 02:06 PM
I really enjoyed it, including the flashbacks, but I can't comment as to the whole thing until I've seen the final 2 hours. I don't think the flashbacks were thrown in there just to fill time.

So...is Galactica going to shove the Colony into the singularity? Will they both go in? If they do, does the singularity mean death or rebirth? (Disney's Black Hole movie, haha!) Will those who didn't go with the Galactica end up being the only surviving humans or the ones who don't get to be reborn in the new cycle? Is Baltar truly the one who can stop the human/Cylon cycle of death?

I'm approaching next Friday with a mixture of anticipation, fear, and sadness.

Vale_Sg1
March 14th, 2009, 02:20 PM
I really enjoyed it, including the flashbacks, but I can't comment as to the whole thing until I've seen the final 2 hours. I don't think the flashbacks were thrown in there just to fill time.

I agree. It was frustrating to see the last few episodes tick by without anything of relevance happening in terms of plot, or any questions being answered, but I believe all these scattered pieces will come together in the finale to show us the bigger picture.


I'm approaching next Friday with a mixture of anticipation, fear, and sadness.

Me, too. On one hand I can't wait to see the episode, on the other, I wish I could delay this forever.

Anubis00
March 14th, 2009, 02:36 PM
Lee's flashback shows how much he has changed. Lee likes order, likes things neat a bird in your apartment isn't neat.


A bird in your apartment isn't neat,yet shoving glasses to the floor along with other things is?

cheese
March 14th, 2009, 03:51 PM
I was profoundly disappointed with Daybreak.

Islanded I felt was fairly slow, but accepted it as quiet setting up for the finale...

And then we get more set up. Not only that but horrible stalling. The flashbacks felt like they dragged and honestly, I don't think they were neccessary unless there was some major reason for their inclusion that becomes apparent later. For the first fifteen minutes I wanted to get stuck into the real story, not look back.

This whole second half of the season has had a lot of slow, pondering moments. With the number of issues they need to address and wrap up I'm astonished with the amount of time wasting.

Was there a reason for skipping over Adama's decision, and his conversation with Sam? I'd rather have seen that than flashbacks. More Helo/Athena would have been nice, or more of the crew making their decision. I wonder if he said something that they don't want us to know until the right moment.

Revealing so little new information and advancing the plot only in the last ten minutes made this one of my least favorite episodes of Galactica.

I'm really worred that the ending is going to be fluffed, I struggle to see how they can wrap this up in the time that's left.

Pharaoh Atem
March 14th, 2009, 04:17 PM
So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome, So awesome,................................................End of line..............................

new command. :cool:

DBLOCK59
March 14th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Here's what I think is gonna happen in the end....

Kara Thrace will find out she is the first cylon/human hybrid and the daughter of the missing Cylon Daniel. The Galactica will crash into the Cylon Colony while at the same moment Kara Thrace is shot, killed, and falls into the Black Hole the Colony is hovering next to. After falling through it she will fall onto Earth 2000 years in the past. The Gal/Colony will possibly also fall through the hole and BECOME the destruction of Earth 2000 years in the past.

"IT HAPPENED BEFORE...IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN"

DBLOCK59
March 14th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Here's what I think is gonna happen.

The Galactica will crash into the Cylon Colony while at the same moment Kara Thrace is shot, killed, and falls into the Black Hole the Colony is hovering next to. After falling through it she will fall onto Earth 2000 years in the past. The Gal/Colony will possibly also fall through the hole and BECOME the destruction of Earth 2000 years in the past.

"IT HAS HAPPEN BEFORE. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN."

Skydiver
March 14th, 2009, 05:05 PM
i have a funny feeling, next week a bunch of people will be going 'ooohhh so THAT's what that meant in part one'

cheese
March 14th, 2009, 05:13 PM
i have a funny feeling, next week a bunch of people will be going 'ooohhh so THAT's what that meant in part one'

I really hope so.

My only hope comes from the fact that the other big moments were so brilliantly handled throughout the series.

Pharaoh Atem
March 14th, 2009, 05:19 PM
i have a funny feeling, next week a bunch of people will be going 'ooohhh so THAT's what that meant in part one'

who why hasn't pt 1 this cool :rolleyes:

never fails

knowles2
March 14th, 2009, 05:21 PM
i have a funny feeling, next week a bunch of people will be going 'ooohhh so THAT's what that meant in part one'

Nope I got the feeling people will be agreeing with the people who hates this episode. That they have wasted the last few episodes and left so many unanswered questions.

walterIsTheMan
March 14th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Here's what I think is gonna happen.

The Galactica will crash into the Cylon Colony while at the same moment Kara Thrace is shot, killed, and falls into the Black Hole the Colony is hovering next to. After falling through it she will fall onto Earth 2000 years in the past. The Gal/Colony will possibly also fall through the hole and BECOME the destruction of Earth 2000 years in the past.

"IT HAS HAPPEN BEFORE. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN."

That's an interesting idea but I don't think it would explain enough about Kara. That would explain how her body and a viper were found on Earth, but not how she returned from the dead at the Ionian Nebula. Nor how she knew how to paint the supernova her entire life. There still has to be more to it.

Empress Vajnraa
March 14th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Maybe Kara crashed on Earth, and the ancient Cylon resurrection apparatus that brought the final five back after the fall of Earth brought her back to life too? So, she set out to tell Galactica about Earth and programed her own memory?

She may be able to ressurect if she really is half-cylon (Daniel-7 being her father)

I know it doesn't explain how she appeared at the Ionian Nebula, or how her Viper was unharmed, or a lot of things...

Briangate78
March 14th, 2009, 06:02 PM
I don't think they are going to resolve everything and I think they will only reveal a little. There is a movie happening and that could likely continue the story. If everything is resolved, what is the point of the movie?

So a lot of folks are going to be disappointed in that aspect. I read from interviews from the cast that they do not tie up everything, and leave everything open and will let the fans think what happened.

I do think it will be a kick @ss finale. :p

Skydiver
March 14th, 2009, 06:08 PM
if there's guaranteeed to be a movie, then i thikn the resolution we'll get in the next two parts

is the rescue of hera, roslyn's death and cavil's downfall, possibly with his rebellious cylons

it'll end with the galactica crew, on the base star, all together, but looking for home....or the rescuers hoping to catch up iwth the rest of the fleet, and they have no idea where they are.

wontgetfooledagain
March 14th, 2009, 06:20 PM
Here's what I think is gonna happen.

The Galactica will crash into the Cylon Colony while at the same moment Kara Thrace is shot, killed, and falls into the Black Hole the Colony is hovering next to. After falling through it she will fall onto Earth 2000 years in the past. The Gal/Colony will possibly also fall through the hole and BECOME the destruction of Earth 2000 years in the past.

"IT HAS HAPPEN BEFORE. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN."
No. Black holes don't send people back in time anyway, they crush them with the immense strength of their gravity.

knowles2
March 14th, 2009, 06:26 PM
if there's guaranteeed to be a movie, then i thikn the resolution we'll get in the next two parts

is the rescue of hera, roslyn's death and cavil's downfall, possibly with his rebellious cylons

it'll end with the galactica crew, on the base star, all together, but looking for home....or the rescuers hoping to catch up iwth the rest of the fleet, and they have no idea where they are.

The movie is about the cylons and their plan when they first attack the colony and nothing about the current situation or current fleet.

And the why continue films, explain it in the tv series or not at all. Not like their is not enough that could be cut from that last ten episodes to include extra plots they want in the films.

s09119
March 14th, 2009, 06:31 PM
I thought this episode was perfect; we finally see the ever-elusive parts of the main characters' lives back on the Colonies, what created who they ended up being and what drives them in the here-and-now. And the build-up to the mission was amazing, with the memorial hallway being stripped of the relatives of the living and left for the loved ones of the dead. When the time came to divide the ship amongst those that would give their lives to save Hera and those that weren't... all I could think of was that day so long ago when the crew came together to announce their commitment to finding Earth in that very place. How things change... and how they stay the same.

Sky Monster
March 14th, 2009, 06:35 PM
am I the only one whose annoyed that sci-fi comes in so soft over my speakers? I really have to turn them up to be able to hear what's going on, then there's a commercial break and a commercial from my cable company comes on and I feel like I'm going deaf beacuse its so loud...

No you're not the only one... What country are you in? I get the same thing on Foxtel in Australia... Admiral Adama is the hardest to hear when he's having important D&M's with people because of Olmos' really gruff voice...

knowles2
March 14th, 2009, 06:38 PM
I with the memorial hallway being stripped of the relatives of the living and left for the loved ones of the dead. When the time came to divide the ship amongst those that would give their lives to save Hera and those that weren't... all I could think of was that day so long ago when the crew came together to announce their commitment to finding Earth in that very place. How things change... and how they stay the same.

These are the couple bits that I like in the episode, plus the hybrid scene and was relevant to story, literally everything else could have been cut and I think it would been a better episode. If we do not know what driving characters after four year then seriously what have the writers been doing. These final episodes should rapping up the story not teaching us stuff about the characters and not taking up entire portions of an episode at this late stage.

Sky Monster
March 14th, 2009, 06:38 PM
I think that scene set the tone for the final episode very well. It's sort of touching to see so many people siding with Adama.

I also noticed that pretty much all of the marines decided to side with Adama.

What? Less people sided with him... Why is there too much confusion (LOL!) over which side was with and who was against. In the final shot the people to Adama's right from his perspective were with him (the smaller group of people).

s09119
March 14th, 2009, 06:47 PM
These are the couple bits that I like in the episode, plus the hybrid scene and was relevant to story, literally everything else could have been cut and I think it would been a better episode. If we do not know what driving characters after four year then seriously what have the writers been doing. These final episodes should rapping up the story not teaching us stuff about the characters and not taking up entire portions of an episode at this late stage.

But that's just it; the show, in the end, was never about the battles of the Cylons or the Galactica... it was about the humans that crewed the Fleet and the men and women that lead it across the Milky Way to the promised land. That's what the finale is showcasing, those few, extraordinary people and who they really were before circumstances forced them to become heroes.

Sky Monster
March 14th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Do you really think RDM intended everyone to know about something in 'certain' cultures. I highly doubt it, it's too dependent on the viewers knowledge outside of the show.

(In regard to the Pigeon in Lee's home representing bad omens in certain cultures)

knowles2
March 14th, 2009, 07:11 PM
But that's just it; the show, in the end, was never about the battles of the Cylons or the Galactica... it was about the humans that crewed the Fleet and the men and women that lead it across the Milky Way to the promised land. That's what the finale is showcasing, those few, extraordinary people and who they really were before circumstances forced them to become heroes.

Yes but we have four years to set out the characters, what their motivations, why they do what they do, frankly by this time their characters story should be completed with a little left for the closing story. We should focusing more on wrapping up the questions like finding a home for the fleet, learning what the angles are, what have the tin heads been doing without the control chips, this has been bugging me ever since it was bought up, what is starbuck, and these are just few of questions they have got to answer in the next two hours. I mean I would not mind finding out what the cylon plan was originally, who attack earth and why this would take up a episode by it self, what the child role in this. All the above is far more important than learn information roslin family died in a car crash, Give what the character been through frankly I think she would of stop caring about that a long time ago. In fact, apart from this episode their have not been any hints about it, which if it was such a motivator and or central to the character it would have been bought up way before the last three episodes.

Yes they are three separate episode and should of been written as such as that how they will mostly be watch as anyway.

knowles2
March 14th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Do you really think RDM intended everyone to know about something in 'certain' cultures. I highly doubt it, it's too dependent on the viewers knowledge outside of the show.

(In regard to the Pigeon in Lee's home representing bad omens in certain cultures)

yep good point. If it was of such importance to the story having it been mention by a other character a bird in one home is a bad omen and then have the flashback would of made more sense and made scene more relevant.

Berg417448
March 14th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Do you really think RDM intended everyone to know about something in 'certain' cultures. I highly doubt it, it's too dependent on the viewers knowledge outside of the show.

(In regard to the Pigeon in Lee's home representing bad omens in certain cultures)




This show has been full of references that applied only to certain cultures. As a minor example, look at how many people didn't get Kara's reference to the word "w a n k e r " in a previous episode because it isn't used in their country. Or last night's episode a lot of people didn't understand when Baltar called his father a "git".

There are references to ancient Greek and Roman culture and believe me, there are a whole lot of people who watch this show who know nothing about those references.

They put all sorts of things in this show that have double meanings. Maybe the bird means an omen of death or maybe they intend it to mean something else.

ToasterOnFire
March 14th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Can anyone tell me what side of the line Athena was on in the end? I didn't see her.

Briangate78
March 14th, 2009, 07:28 PM
The movie is about the cylons and their plan when they first attack the colony and nothing about the current situation or current fleet.

And the why continue films, explain it in the tv series or not at all. Not like their is not enough that could be cut from that last ten episodes to include extra plots they want in the films.

Another prequel? Razor just ripped up the ratings charts. lol. :S

So we can understand why this all happened, but it will never resolve then to a conclusion. Pretty disappointing.

s09119
March 14th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Can anyone tell me what side of the line Athena was on in the end? I didn't see her.

Didn't see her. Maybe she's still locked up in her quarters crying?

Bruman
March 14th, 2009, 08:22 PM
All of this has been posted before, and all of this will be posted again.

Alan Wake
March 14th, 2009, 10:30 PM
I believe that knowing that BSG was going to end this season, and the writers probably knew a lot longer, that they should not have wasted this episode with a back-story for the characters.

They could have placed this episode more early in the show and it would have fit better... but now with 3 episodes left it's just a waste of an episode.

Sure it was nice having all that extra little information... but I think the set-up for the final should have been more... stuck to the story.

The 2 hour final next is either going to be very information filled, or have very little answers.

I'm with a lot of people on this. I didn't enjoy this episode. Knowing that we only had a few episodes left I guess I expected something more.

I think the writers have made some bad decisions this season, but lets hope they make up for it next week.

- I really hope they don't do a " Fly off into the sunset ending " and we never know what happens. They need to tie up the stories they told. I want to Know what's with starbuck, Ect.

A lot of people are going to be mad If they just completely ignore some of the events that have happened, that are not resolved.

Sky Monster
March 14th, 2009, 11:14 PM
All of this has been posted before, and all of this will be posted again.

gtfo! hahaha ;)

Sky Monster
March 14th, 2009, 11:17 PM
Speaking of loose ends... what was all the mystery about Baltar "knowing who Felix Gaeta is" ? Was it that he was an idealist? Or is it just another thing RDM kind of... forgot about... :(

brthur
March 15th, 2009, 12:32 AM
I can't tell if they were trying to copy LOST or use the next to last episode as a giant commercial for Caprica. (which we pretty much know is gonna suck now)

The flashbacks were a complete waste of time. In LOST, the flashbacks always had some relevance to the actual story or the character, usually both. I guess we learned that Apollo can't hit a bird with a broom stick when he's drunk...? wtf?

...

Even if next week's episode is amazing, it wont be enough to redeem this complete failure of the last 1/2 of this season.

Full ACK!

I'm seriously considering to ignore Caprica (not that it would matter for SciFi anyway if i'm watching or not ;) )

Pharaoh Atem
March 15th, 2009, 01:20 AM
Speaking of loose ends... what was all the mystery about Baltar "knowing who Felix Gaeta is" ? Was it that he was an idealist? Or is it just another thing RDM kind of... forgot about... :(

idealist nothing more

knowles2
March 15th, 2009, 02:52 AM
This show has been full of references that applied only to certain cultures. As a minor example, look at how many people didn't get Kara's reference to the word "w a n k e r " in a previous episode because it isn't used in their country. Or last night's episode a lot of people didn't understand when Baltar called his father a "git".

There are references to ancient Greek and Roman culture and believe me, there are a whole lot of people who watch this show who know nothing about those references.

They put all sorts of things in this show that have double meanings. Maybe the bird means an omen of death or maybe they intend it to mean something else.

I think using single word of English is alright and words which common in society today, 10 seconds on the internet and you can find what git means or what w a n k e r means it not exactly hard. Why finding out what a bird in the house means well a good half hour, if not longer.

Pheonix Commander
March 15th, 2009, 04:46 AM
Sci Fi fans are a fickle bunch. I know we follow these characters closely and form bonds with them from the other side of the screen but we are the first to turn when something doesnt meet our imposed standards of what we believe is entertainment. I have not seen Daybreak part 1 yet but as an avid fan like all here I race to the forums to extend the BSG experiences longer then the hour of TV once a week. It saddens me when i read post regarding episodes that people see as poor or slow moving and I wonder if people relize the bigger picture. The thing that has set BSG apart from other shows, is the ability to follow these characters over a story arc, not just a weekly premise of short lived peril with a final group shot of our beloved heroes looking toward next weeks dangerous mission etc.
BSG has taken the time to create a depth in these characters other shows haven't been able to match while still providing the "weapons at maximum (lol)" moments we all love. My advice is enjoy the peaks and troughs that go with this, the episodes that are slower serve a purpose, and the faster action packed thrills and spills that come along will blow your mind more.

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 04:52 AM
I can't tell if they were trying to copy LOST or use the next to last episode as a giant commercial for Caprica. (which we pretty much know is gonna suck now)


Oh, we do, don't we.

talyn2k1
March 15th, 2009, 05:09 AM
imho, I thought the time that was used for the flashbacks could've been used to much greater effect.

The first hour of a three parter is the same as the first half hour of a two parter, its all setup, so I'm not going to ***** about the episode as a whole as it's like waiting until; the ad breaks and slating an entire episode based on the first part.

The only thing that really did bother me was Adama allowing Roslin to go with him. The woman is on her death bed, what possible use could she be in a rescue mission? If anything, she would be a liability. I would guess that this will probably end up being the final showdown where the secret of the opera house is revealed, but they don't know what!

So which side was which on the hangar deck? Was it the small group who chose to go with him or the larger group, as it seemed that all the main characters were moving on to the side of the smaller group. If so, I'm surprised at so few people decided to go with Adama.

My predictions for Daybreak 2:

1. Galactica either gets inside the colony and jumps while inside it, ripping it to shreds OR Galactica rams the colony and they both go hurtling in to the black hole.
2. Roslin & Cavil both die, everyone else is fair game at the moment!
3. Kara is revealed to be the daughter of Daniel, so she is also a human-Cylon hybrid. Don't ask me how she resurrected though, I don't have an answer to that!

I think I have managed to convince the other half to let me watch the last 2 hours on the 37" TV with surround sound, as opposed to on my computer with earphones, so I shall be enjoying BSG's final hours in all their glory!

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 05:49 AM
This was a great set up episode, but also I can see, how it can be lost on some part of the audience. I'm sure, that BSG was always a show for the classes and not the masses, and it's main goal was to make people think, and not just to provide easy pass time. RDM spent a lot of time writing "the shields are failing, captain", and this is something different, something more. For people in the need of fast food entertainment, that is, fast and satisfactory answers to all questions, this may come as a disappointment, but their loss may be my gain.

Skydiver
March 15th, 2009, 08:04 AM
Speaking of loose ends... what was all the mystery about Baltar "knowing who Felix Gaeta is" ? Was it that he was an idealist? Or is it just another thing RDM kind of... forgot about... :(
no, that was explained in the 'face of the enemy' webisodes

in that it was revealed that felix was sleeping with one of the eights and was giving her names of the resistence members. he thought she was getting them to safety, in reality she was just using him and was giving those names to the cylons, who were locking up and killing those resistence members

gaius found that out, and told felix that right before felix shoved the pen in gaius' neck.

gaius knew that felix was a collaborator

Corona
March 15th, 2009, 08:04 AM
Was the episode that bad or do we as sci-fi fans simply lack patience for anything other than non-stop action. The video game syndrome if you will.

As an older fan I have a little more, not that much though, patience in letting a story unravel, especially if it is the final chapters of the story. There still is a tad bit of filler which could have gotten tossed though.

As for Adamas line on the deck. Anyone who wants a job next week on this side, the rest of you, it's been fun, goodbye!

I suggest again turning on the closed caption for one viewing just so you can catch all the correct dialog. It's in real time and not too bad a distraction. It is very helpful with Hybridspeak!

Two part ones in one night, BSG and Terminator. AAUUGGGHHH!!

TheChosen1
March 15th, 2009, 08:06 AM
I see a disturbing amount of complaints about "slowness" or a lack of action. Too bad some people can't enjoy it, I'm loving every second of it. Ha!
Can't wait for next week.


When I filed my utter disbelief in "What the Frak was that"???!!!! and so on. It wasn't because of the slowness or lack of action. It was the lack of bringing together story and plot lines or at least attempting to give us nuggets and bits and pieces, so that next week would able to flush out the majority or nearly rest of them. There is way too much ground to cover for next week and I'm pretty sure many things will be left unanswered for all of us. I don't expect everything to be answered but for the show just the major plot lines, Opera House, what is kara and how did she come back. Hera and her role(which it looks like they are doing so far, atleast it's building up that way) and the ".,......and they have a plan" Which has been promoted for at least half of the bsg series.

TheChosen1

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 08:32 AM
Okay, now tell me people, how can anybody know which questions will be answered and which won't, just judging by the first third of the series finale?!?

knowles2
March 15th, 2009, 08:33 AM
Was the episode that bad or do we as sci-fi fans simply lack patience for anything other than non-stop action. The video game syndrome if you will.

As an older fan I have a little more, not that much though, patience in letting a story unravel, especially if it is the final chapters of the story. There still is a tad bit of filler which could have gotten tossed though.

!

I have plenty of patience to let the story unravel, I mean I watch lost for crying out loud and you need plently patience and stamina to watch that show it also requires a fair bit remembering what before and intelligence to truly understand everything. . What I do not have patents for entire episode which does not progress the story or explain important things, like last Friday ep. or needlessly dragging things out.


Okay, now tell me people, how can anybody know which questions will be answered and which won't, just judging by the first third of the series finale?!? From the looks of it nothing will be answered. Because give the rate of questions they usally answer at, which is around one or two per hour, then give the amount of questions there, which is easily into double figure you can clearly see they are not going to answer that many question or they going to skip over a lot of the details.

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 09:31 AM
From the looks of it nothing will be answered.

Do you stand by that statement, or was it just frustration?

cheese
March 15th, 2009, 09:52 AM
We've been patient, there have been some incredibly slowed down parts in this final run. I would have been happy with good dramatic development. "Someone to Watch Over Me" was a dramatic episode that was fantastic on it's own and advanced the main plot. Daybreak pt1 failed on both fronts. The problem is there was practically no development. And what development there was was skimmed over.

knowles2
March 15th, 2009, 09:59 AM
Do you stand by that statement, or was it just frustration? probably frustration but I would not be surprise if I am right and nothing is answered. Also I want them answered to level of detail I am satified with and I just do not think that going to happening with any of the big questions and some of little questions I have like what the metal cylons been up to with their new found freedoms which is easily an episode there.

bsg4ever73
March 15th, 2009, 10:23 AM
Wow! I am completely shocked at the intelligent fans of BSG having such little faith in the final episodes of our favorite show!!! Some questions to ponder:

- Does anyone else wonder why there were so many references to drinking and (sometimes) driving in the flashback scenes in Daybreak 1? ie. Baltar and Six in the limo - Six: "Do you always drink and drive?" Baltar: "I drink, he drives."... Laura with her sisters after the baby shower, getting drunk on champagne and talking about the dangers of drinking during pregnancy, then sending her sisters off in a car (with their father I presume?)...Lee shows up at Kara and Zack's apartment with a bottle of wine and later appears to be quite drunk in (his own?) apartment, crashing around with a pigeon (significance yet to be determined)... and Bill Adama is justifying his experience as a fleet officer to some guy who says, "Sometimes you have to do these things." or something to that effect... What if these scenes are all really connected??? What if it isn't just FILLER at the end of the line? Give the amazing writers of BSG some credit you guys! I can't believe almost everyone on this forum here are implying the writers threw in the towel a few episodes early - I think it's the viewers who choose to either keep thinking and figuring things out, or give up and want to be spoon fed in the final episodes....

What is BSG all about? It's people. What have the writers always said in interviews about the idea of BSG? That it's sci-fi that is very relevent to current day life that everyday people can relate to.

Perhaps, if nothing deeper, Daybreak Part 1 was our opportunity to honour these incredible characters who have brought us along with them through their journey over the past 4 years. Perhaps it was their final bow before the big event... our chance to say goodbye and raise our glass as it were... to a job well done....

Also.... I am shocked that I have read every single post on this thread and not one person has come to this conclusion yet:

THE OPERA HOUSE

Who is in the opera house? Laura, Athena, Hera, Baltar and Caprica 6, right?

Okay, so my theory is that Hera is ultimately rescued from the Opera House, or something that is meant to look like the Opera House... so those 5 people need to be there, right?

So even though it doesn't appear that Baltar has risen to the challenge of the rescue mission, I believe he will (they just wanted to save that for the finale as his "one selfless act"), and I don't believe it will be Athena in the Opera House (have you seen her eyes lately? she's cold now!!!!) I believe it will be BOOMER that goes to save Hera with Laura... and I'm not sure why Caprica 6 and Baltar are critical to this, but they've said from the start that they are important to the next generation... I don't think they are going to harm her though...

Anyway, the journey has been incredible - and I believe the writers would not leave us disappointed... as with every episode so far, my husband and I watch it several times to catch every little nuance, every little clue, and the finale will be no different. :) I think it will be like a delicious steak... a little left stuck between your teeth to knaw on later and enjoy :)

Last but not least, Edward James Olmos said in his final interview, that the finale will not necessarily be a happy ending, but it will be an ending....

So let's watch and let it play out! :)

So say we all!!!!!!!!!!!

Corona
March 15th, 2009, 10:58 AM
Do you think anything will get answered in tomorrow nights Last Frakkin' Special special?

That might have been a better venue for the Caprica flashback vignettes.

Anyone else curious about what happens to the first person who tries sticking a tube in Hera?

How much power will Anders need to hold Galactica together structurally during multiple jumps if he can do it at all. Did any structural integrity get compromised while the parts were scavanged?

It's pretty much a given that Cavil must die in a spectacular manner, don't you think?

VSS
March 15th, 2009, 11:22 AM
It was actor Kevin McNulty, but I don't think he was portraying Joseph Adama. I thought he was more like our version of the Secretary of the Navy (or similar), getting William Adama to host the Secretary of Education (Laura Roslin) for an hour on the Battlestar Galactica for a political public appearance/promotion (remember the mini-series?).

Thank you for that post. That one had me confused but I do believe you are right.




I am likely in the minority here, but I really really loved this episode. It set up a lot of drama and used a lot of flashbacks to fuel what these characters are going through now and then. One of the most heartfeld moments of the entire series was when Adama escorts Rosyln to the volunteer side and she says "you don't intend to leave me behind" or something like that. The emotion was just so powerful. Normally set up eps are rather boring, but this one kept me on the edge of my seat and for the first time these characters really made me feel what they have been going through. Some eps for the last 10 were pretty pointless but this one was spot on the mark. So, a 9/10 for Daybreak for an excellent set up to something really big that and was filled with a lot of emotions.

I loved it, too, though not until I watched it twice. I think the flashbacks served to remind us of who these people are and who the main focus will be on in the end. A lot of framing shots in this- particularly that last scene on the hangar deck. Adama, Roslin, Kara and Lee. Mom, Dad and the kids.;)


I think that Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death for the Cylons.


I agree. Partly because that's the only happy ending I can come up with and still have this prediction be true.


For those interested in the ramblings of a naked man with a shaved head sitting in a tub of goo whose as plugged in as plugged in gets... (I wonder if he Twitters as he's plugged in and unplugged)

High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee
No 412 squadron, RCAF
Killed 11 December 1941

The Air Force used this poem along with some awesome fighter pilot footage in the ads they played way back when the networks used to sign off the air for the night. It made staying up late even more cool than it already was for little kids (like me).


i have a funny feeling, next week a bunch of people will be going 'ooohhh so THAT's what that meant in part one'

Yes.



In some cultures a bird flying inside a house is considered to be an omen of bad luck or death so maybe that was what the scene was meant to convey.

Pigeon=Harbinger of death= Kara Thrace

Huh. Maybe so. There are all kinds of cultural references in this series, so why not this? It did surprise me that Lee had a thing for Kara from day one, I presume that's why he came home drunk and angry- Zach gets all the best of everything.

To me Roslin's flashbacks explain why she was so well-suited for the job as President. The Iron Lady. She'd already lost everything and could be a whole lot more level-headed than anyone else which was always kind of a mystery to me until now.

One question- Sean was the name of one of the officers who came to Laura's house to inform her that her family had been killed. Later, a friend convinces her to go out with a man named Sean. Is it the same guy or is just the name enough to cause her distress there at the end of that phone call?

Berg417448
March 15th, 2009, 11:29 AM
I think using single word of English is alright and words which common in society today, 10 seconds on the internet and you can find what git means or what w a n k e r means it not exactly hard. Why finding out what a bird in the house means well a good half hour, if not longer.


It took me 10 seconds to find out what a bird in the house meant.


The fact is , the writers of this show use things with double or lesser known meanings all the time. For instance Kara's father. How many BSG viewers knew that Dreilide was a German word for "third eyelid" and that this third eyelid is a reference often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences?

How many people understood that the name of the Helice opera house on Dreilide's tape recording was a nod to BSG composer Bear McCreary who was havily involved in that episode?

Helice = Ursa Major = Great bear = Bear McCreary

They have a long history of doing things like this in the show.

Detox
March 15th, 2009, 11:53 AM
Anyone think Hoshi's going to survive and become admiral of the fleet?

I'm sort of getting that vibe from when Saul said to him in CIC after he spilled coffee on the starchart:

"You'll never make admiral."

We know major characters are going to die, it has to happen. And Hoshi does seem to hold a fairly high position in the fleet now.

knowles2
March 15th, 2009, 12:20 PM
We been told that between most to all of the main cast dies. Him becoming admiral would be pretty interest story to follow.

I suspect that without Adarma their and the respect he built up with the cylons, most of the power will be in the hands of the cylons and may be not even the organic models versions and now that would be interesting story to do to, how would metal cylons get along with humans. And yes it would be a drama and character piece rather action scenes and yes I would most likely enjoy it.= as long as it fast past and interesting.

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Also I want them answered to level of detail I am satified with and I just do not think that going to happening with any of the big questions and some of little questions I have like what the metal cylons been up to with their new found freedoms which is easily an episode there.

Man, you're in for the big disappointment.

Jace021903
March 15th, 2009, 01:59 PM
So, birds in the house=harbinger of doom. Hmmm.

VSS said


The Air Force used this poem along with some awesome fighter pilot footage in the ads they played way back when the networks used to sign off the air for the night. It made staying up late even more cool than it already was for little kids (like me).

Also, President Reagan famously quoted it in tribute to the crew of the shuttle Challenger.

"We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye and "slipped the surly bonds of earth" to "touch the face of God."

Seems oddly appropriate for the Galactica.



I wasn't expecting a lot of answers in this first part of the finale. So I wasn't surprised that not a lot happened, but what did was beautifully done. I admit that I am a sucker for character moments. The crossing the line moments were very touching--Lee stepping out first of course, Saul and Ellen crossing together, the doctor gently turned back by Adama, the Chief dragging Tori along, frail Laura limping her way there, Kara supporting her, Adama's "Madame President," the conflict on Baltar's face. Good stuff, people. :)

And the scene with Hera and the mad scientists just put my stomach in knots--someone save that baby quick!

The flashbacks were gorgeous. I don't know if there will be a payoff to them in next week's episode but I could watch more. :) How poignant to see the characters when they had ordinary problems: Lee falling for the girl he can't have, Laura losing loved ones, Adama feeling put out to pasture, Baltar dealing with an aging parent. All of the things that seem like the end of the world until...the actual end of the world.

I am looking forward to next week but I am sad that it will be over. :(

knowles2
March 15th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Man, you're in for the big disappointment.

Do not worry, to me BSG has been one disappoitnment after another, so this just a other one added to the list.

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 02:11 PM
Do not worry, to me BSG has been one disappoitnment after another, so this just a other one added to the list.

Maybe it wasn't really for you in the first place. I really liked it so far, even with it's ups and downs, that every series has, but the overall feeling for me was that it's one of the best.

fwupow
March 15th, 2009, 02:39 PM
It's been nearly 48 hrs and I'm just now starting to keep water down. Hopefully by breakfast, I'll be able to handle solid food.

At risk of relapse, I'll try to say something about this episode.

Almost nothing happened!

Galactica is gonna go attack The Colony like I thought. The big difference is that Adama and crew are going to lead the charge. I thought it would just be Anders taking an unmanned Galactica.

Laura Roslin still hasn't discovered "The Truth of the Opera House". [IMO--It's simply the space between death and download. It's a virtual reality where the minds/souls of the dead stay temporarily while waiting for a new body. It's modeled after the Opera House on Kobol because that's where the resurrection technology was originally engineered.]

We still don't know what Kara is.

We still don't know what the purpose/function of the music is.

When Kara plugged Hybrid Anders back in, the correlation between his hand motion in the Hybrid tank with a similar motion by flashback Seabuck Anders in the athlete's ice bath suggests that Hybrid Anders was actually experiencing the flashback which would mean that he's still kicking around somewhere in his own head. Then again, it could have just been another general narrative flashback like all the others and we still don't know if Anders is alive or not.

It's high time that Baltar's inner playboy playmate Six toss him over the red line by the shirt collar or something.
Will Baltar be the one to crack Kara's mystery music?

Athena is apparently too crushed by grief to get enraged and vengeful. Will that change soon enough for her to join the mission?

The original resurrection equipment left at the colony by the Final Five has the capacity to store only FIVE minds? Does it still work? Is storage within this equipment the key to survival for Baltar, Six and Hera?

What happened to the Cylons that the Final Five made their deal with? The way that Ellen and Tyrol have been talking, the Cylon 7 were made from scratch, which would mean that the mechanical Cylons of the first war are either dead, in storage or were transferred into new mechanical bodies and quickly outfitted with inhibitors which deprived them of free-will and higher thought. If this is the case, then they got screwed by The Final Five and the new skinjobs or at least by Cavil.

I guess I should summon the courage to hope that everything will be answered next week, or that something will, at least, happen. I think I'll stop eating on Thursday and put a pail next to my chair Friday night just to be safe.

fwupow
March 15th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Bird in house is superstition. If it flies through your house it brings news of bad luck. If it can't get out, it's news of death. Big deal, Lee's brother Zack was about to die.

We need to see this back story stuff because?

Because the 2 hour show went long or the 3 hour show came up short. That would be my guess.

Legionnaire
March 15th, 2009, 07:33 PM
I suppose I'm a little late to the party, especially considering I haven't posted in quite a while but it's nearing the end so why not.

I'm with those who liked/loved this episode. I think that the end is the perfect time to examine the very beginning, which is what this episode did. Personally, I'm very happy to have seen these characters in their previous lives one last time, as a reminder to the people they were compared to the people they've become throughout the entirety of the show, and with each different flashback I was thinking about what had happened to each character following that point, what had led them on their paths to who they became. It is like one last deep breath before a plunge, or think of it as one's life flashing before his or her eyes. We, as the viewer, knew the middle, and this episode showed us the beginning. Now all that is left to see is the end.

Will there be a lot of loose ends to tie up? Yes, but many of them are interconnected, so I have a feeling there will be some grand explanations that will satisfy multiple questions, and considering they've been saving money by not doing any fancy cgi battles this entire half of the season, the coming battle should be epic in just about every way.

I both can and can't wait.

Bruman
March 15th, 2009, 08:27 PM
As for those thinking things are going too slow... it's not that we're completely impatient (or at least me). We've been patient for more or less 3 or 4 episodes now, and there's only 120 minutes (minus commercials) left to answer as many questions as we have.

Given what we know this show is capable of delivering in terms of satisfaction and quality, it is disappointing to me to see this remaining time not live up to it. Every minute of quiet is a minute less that we have to enjoy truly awesome stuff.

Now I hope that all of our patience will pay off, and that we'll turn around this friday and say, "OK, I get it now, it was worth all of the patience and setup," but it's getting harder and harder to see how they can do it in the time remaining.

I'm also worried that RDM seems to enjoy jerking the chains of the fan base too much, or basically "just because he can." So I could see that Galactica dies inside the colony and everyone falls into the black hole, and that Baltar leads the fleet off unto a new planet that they find and that's the end of it. Maybe Caprica finds Hera and manages to get away too (which would be what the closing of the door in the Opera house might be about).

For me, I just look at the final five episodes of the series and feel that it could have covered an awful lot more of the key things - mythology, characters, what's happening with the fleet, etc..

We'll see later.

bfldworker
March 15th, 2009, 09:05 PM
Another prequel? Razor just ripped up the ratings charts. lol. :S

That is typical for Science Fiction. You have Stargate SG1 and SGA get rating around the 1.1-2.0 arena. While you have non-science Fiction get 12.2-20.

So for Sci-fi anything about a 1.0 is good.

Descent
March 15th, 2009, 10:24 PM
Was the episode that bad or do we as sci-fi fans simply lack patience for anything other than non-stop action. The video game syndrome if you will.

;)

The whole episode was setup, people. This isn't even the entire episode. The whole thing, all 3 parts, were envisioned as one big finale. They split it up though, so that is why it feels unsatisfying to some of you. Necessary? Unnecessary? Maybe. But the episode isn't actually over yet. It's like watching the first hour of a three hour movie and then stopping.

No payoff just yet. Calm down.

pjt
March 15th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Given what we know this show is capable of delivering in terms of satisfaction and quality, it is disappointing to me to see this remaining time not live up to it. Every minute of quiet is a minute less that we have to enjoy truly awesome stuff.

No quality?!? No truly awesome stuff?!? Blimey!



I'm also worried that RDM seems to enjoy jerking the chains of the fan base too much, or basically "just because he can." So I could see that Galactica dies inside the colony and everyone falls into the black hole, and that Baltar leads the fleet off unto a new planet that they find and that's the end of it. Maybe Caprica finds Hera and manages to get away too (which would be what the closing of the door in the Opera house might be about).

C'mon, you didn't expect Galactica riding into the sunset, with the symphony orchestra, after four years of gloom, did you? Like the producers version of Blade Runner?

Mongoletsi
March 16th, 2009, 03:12 AM
I can't tell if they were trying to copy LOST or use the next to last episode as a giant commercial for Caprica. (which we pretty much know is gonna suck now)

1. Yes, I did find the flashbacks a little pointless. I'm hoping the next (and final) episode shows why they were needed.
2. How do you "pretty much know" that Caprica "is gonna suck"?


It's also nice to know that Chief either turned himself in or was caught and thrown in jail? What? Did I miss something?

Yeah I did wonder how Tyrol had gotten away with it. Obviously he didn't!


Even if next week's episode is amazing, it wont be enough to redeem this complete failure of the last 1/2 of this season.

I disagree. If the 2-hour finale ties everything up, and clearly required such a laborious build-up, then it will "redeem" it. However my gut feeling is that it won't be good enough, will be convoluted, and will generally insult the time and emotion we've given to BSG.

Mongoletsi
March 16th, 2009, 03:18 AM
Here's what I think is gonna happen in the end....

Kara Thrace will find out she is the first cylon/human hybrid and the daughter of the missing Cylon Daniel. The Galactica will crash into the Cylon Colony while at the same moment Kara Thrace is shot, killed, and falls into the Black Hole the Colony is hovering next to. After falling through it she will fall onto Earth 2000 years in the past. The Gal/Colony will possibly also fall through the hole and BECOME the destruction of Earth 2000 years in the past.

I fear you may be right. I fear an incoming sci-fi fest.

knowles2
March 16th, 2009, 04:05 AM
2. How do you "pretty much know" that Caprica "is gonna suck"?

I think his reasoning is that Caprica is going to be like the flash backs but instead of 20 minutes they are going to film entire episodes/seasons in a similar fashion. So he think flash sucks and I personally agree with him, If caprica is the same then I think it will suck to.

pjt
March 16th, 2009, 04:11 AM
I think his reasoning is that Caprica is going to be like the flash backs but instead of 20 minutes they are going to film entire episodes/seasons in a similar fashion. So he think flash sucks and I personally agree with him, If caprica is the same then I think it will suck to.

Wha?!?

Pheonix Commander
March 16th, 2009, 04:56 AM
I've finally seen the ep and like all the BSG ep's i enjoyed it for what it was. So the story didn't evolve a great deal and provide answers it may have given some subtle hints - namely Baltar's 6 and how she began the manipulation of him through his father. This will surely be fleshed out further and should hopefully lead to the explanation of the head 6.

Adama's red line wielded the usual suspects and only made me rate Cottle higher. We will miss the Galactica but she will no doubt get the send off she deserves next week. So say we all!

ToasterOnFire
March 16th, 2009, 06:08 AM
I think if you sat in front of the TV last Friday with a list of unexplained mysteries to be checked off (literally or figuratively :D) as they are revealed then you'll come away from this ep disappointed. I guess I saw it more as "enjoy the journey, not the destination", if that makes any sense.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 16th, 2009, 06:32 AM
;)

The whole episode was setup, people. This isn't even the entire episode. The whole thing, all 3 parts, were envisioned as one big finale. They split it up though, so that is why it feels unsatisfying to some of you. Necessary? Unnecessary? Maybe. But the episode isn't actually over yet. It's like watching the first hour of a three hour movie and then stopping.

No payoff just yet. Calm down.

If this is supposed to be seen as the first hour of a 3 hour movie then the movie should've been cut to 2 hours. The idea that having to see it as the first part of a 3-parter somehow negates the overwhelming boredom doesn't make any sense at all.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 16th, 2009, 06:37 AM
I disagree. If the 2-hour finale ties everything up, and clearly required such a laborious build-up, then it will "redeem" it. However my gut feeling is that it won't be good enough, will be convoluted, and will generally insult the time and emotion we've given to BSG.

I'm sure the finale will be good, just not good enough. They've failed so miserably in the last several episodes that there's a lot to make up for.

knowles2
March 16th, 2009, 07:49 AM
I'm sure the finale will be good, just not good enough. They've failed so miserably in the last several episodes that there's a lot to make up for.

This statement I can agree with. Frankly it seem being going the way sg1 and sga who both Had below par finals and so did x files, through I am pretty sure they were planning for cinema film release there, and enterprise and voyager and well actually I cannot think of a series which ended with a great episode, so in a way guest BSG is just the same as the above, except it had pretty awful season, why the above had pretty descent last seasons .
Jericho an John Doe all had great last episodes.but I cannot actually think of a scifi series which came to its natural ending and produce a great last episode.

edit: DS9 and ST:NG both went out with damn good episodes, but then again anything with Q and space battles and a good story get my vote.

Corona
March 16th, 2009, 08:11 AM
My turn! Just snippets though.

Remember DS-9 in the Dominion War when the stations weapons all opened up? We had never seen that before. I expect Galactica to go into battle with all guns blazing. What a better tribute to a great ship then to go out 100%, minus whatever Vipers are missing.

I guessed right that there had to be an interim stop for the FF and sure enough, there is Colony. It's obviously a ship, right? Or is it a built up moon in an unimagineable safe orbit of a BH. The black hole makes this an outer space equivelent of the old westerns with the fights on a cliff. Loser goes over or in.

Baltar had his shot at being a leader. It takes some big ones to want to lead again after the disaster of New Caprica. He is staying behind, right?

Last Frakkin' Special tonight. Will anything get answered or is it a popcorn show?

And the final question given the resurrection gimmicks, How dead is dead?

Everyone could get killed and Galactia crashes into Colony only to find a huge disappointing reset, placing everyone on a safe Earth.

Patience little grasshoppers! :) BSG tonight!

Descent
March 16th, 2009, 08:17 AM
If this is supposed to be seen as the first hour of a 3 hour movie then the movie should've been cut to 2 hours. The idea that having to see it as the first part of a 3-parter somehow negates the overwhelming boredom doesn't make any sense at all.

What you call overwhelming boredom, I call interesting character insight. My point was that it isn't actually the first part of a 3 parter. It was conceived as one big episode. That's why it doesn't make sense to you, because that wasn't what I was saying. ;)

Shan Bruce Lee
March 16th, 2009, 10:05 AM
What you call overwhelming boredom, I call interesting character insight. My point was that it isn't actually the first part of a 3 parter. It was conceived as one big episode. That's why it doesn't make sense to you, because that wasn't what I was saying. ;)


;)

The whole episode was setup, people. This isn't even the entire episode. The whole thing, all 3 parts, were envisioned as one big finale.

Really? Because that sounds like exactly what you said.

Descent
March 16th, 2009, 10:34 AM
Sigh.


The idea that having to see it as the first part of a 3-parter

One. Big. Episode. That they have awkwardly chopped up into 3 parts. It wasn't made to be this way but that is what they did. I never said "look at this as the first part of this planned three part episode". Why would they need to split it up? This is the opposite of what happened back in Season 3 with Occupation and Precipice being combined.

Vale_Sg1
March 16th, 2009, 10:34 AM
Really? Because that sounds like exactly what you said.

What's the problem? I think he's being pretty clear.

VSS
March 16th, 2009, 10:58 AM
I've finally seen the ep and like all the BSG ep's i enjoyed it for what it was. So the story didn't evolve a great deal and provide answers it may have given some subtle hints - namely Baltar's 6 and how she began the manipulation of him through his father. This will surely be fleshed out further and should hopefully lead to the explanation of the head 6.

Adama's red line wielded the usual suspects and only made me rate Cottle higher. We will miss the Galactica but she will no doubt get the send off she deserves next week. So say we all!

I think the flashback showed that Caprica 6 was a better human being than Baltar was from the very start. If anyone's a machine in this story, it's Baltar- as Lee said, he has virtually never strayed from type.

Baltar had a schizophrenic split when he realized his ego led to the destruction of humanity. Head!6 is his way of coping with what he did- she's his evil alter ego. Every bad quality he possesses is manifested in Head!6- while he sees himself as the innocent, misunderstood Gaius Baltar trying to do good, she's still telling him he's going to rule the world. He can't change, he can only compartmentalize his selfishness and arrogance and call it "6" so he feels better about himself.

ricc
March 16th, 2009, 12:12 PM
and I'm not sure why Caprica 6 and Baltar are critical to this, but they've said from the start that they are important to the next generation... I don't think they are going to harm her though...




I don't think its caprica 6 and baltar in the opera house, i think it is their respective 'head' versions or the angels as they are now known

TheChosen1
March 16th, 2009, 02:16 PM
What if they did this to us, after all the event's unfold this friday at the very end, some cylon or perhaps Adama or hell anyone for that matter wakes up and they find themselves on Cylon Earth, Caprica or hell even Kobol????? Any possibility of this? Like perhaps adama wakes up when he is young and after his "daughter" has died and someone was saying they could recreate her, ala "Caprica" Thus leading into the caprica Series. That would be a mind frak but would be definitely workable but everyone would be you cant frakking do that to us, but RDM would have smiled and say, "I just did"


TheChosen1

entil2001
March 16th, 2009, 03:52 PM
The series finale will encompass a total of three hours. One would think this is more than enough time to wrap up the vast majority of the plot and character threads and give the series proper closure. The previous episode was a slow but steady prelude, which logically should have set the stage well enough for the finale to move things along. That's not quite the case.

The pace of the finale is surprisingly slow and methodical. A good portion of the episode is devoted to the message that we are coming full circle, and the characters are as well. Some have changed, some haven't. But the real question, at least to the viewer, is why it pertains at all to the series finale. Is this important information? Or is this an attempt to be lyrical at the end? This is but the introductory hour of the final tale, so it's hard to know what the purpose is.

What is surprising is how much is still left to be resolved. Has there been any progress since "Someone to Watch Over Me"? We're still no closer to the truth about Kara, her connection to the Final Five and Hera, and the meaning of "All Along the Watchtower". There's still an enormous suicide mission to conduct as well. One would think that this sets the stage for the end of Galactica itself (rather symbolic), but also for the end of the threat of Cavil's faction of the Cylons.

Yet it's premature to say that this hour is somehow wasted. It's the beginning of a process, and there's still two more hours to go before the picture is complete. It could be that the preliminaries are slow-paced to maximize the effect of the final events. Still, this is the endgame, so anything that hampers the ability to wrap things up is going to make fans nervous.

One major aspect of the episode was Baltar's bid for political power. In an interesting change of pace, he's not necessarily asking out of self-interest, even if he does stand to gain if his people want him to represent their desires. As it stands, Baltar could end up with power as a default, if he does in fact stay behind. After all, if Galactica and her volunteer crew fall at the Cylon colony, Adama, Roslin, and Lee would all be there. The resulting power vacuum, and the size of Baltar's following, would place him in a powerful position.

But Baltar seemed to be wavering in his decision, and if the colony turns out to be the Opera House, he'll be going with them to fulfill his role. If the Opera House dream is prophetic, then Caprica and Baltar will end up escaping with Hera to bring back the future to those left behind. This also aligns with Baltar's vision at the end of the first season, and if anyone else dies trying to get to Hera, it would certainly fulfill the prophecy regarding Roslin.

That still leaves open the question of Kara's resurrection, and how that might intersect with the Opera House theory. If there is going to be a last-minute intervention by some greater power, a look back at the series puts the easy money on the Cylon God. It would be very easy to use the Cylon God, or the personification thereof, to resolve a number of outstanding mysteries. For example, as it stands, the revelation of the Final Five doesn't quite match what was mentioned in "Rapture", but there was an apparent reference to the Cylon God at the time. If the writers realized that a "deus ex machina" solution was a necessary evil, then why not deliver an actual "God"?

All of which amounts to the fact that Ron Moore and company could still stick the landing for this series, if they pull together the bulk of the dangling plot threads. (With the exception, of course, of what will be covered in "The Plan".) But after the past two episodes, which did little to move the story forward, there's still potential for disappointment.


John Keegan
Reprinted with permission
Original source: c. Critical Myth, 2009
All rights reserved
Link: http://www.criticalmyth.com

HAL2100
March 16th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Yes but we have four years to set out the characters, what their motivations, why they do what they do, frankly by this time their characters story should be completed with a little left for the closing story. We should focusing more on wrapping up the questions like finding a home for the fleet, learning what the angles are, what have the tin heads been doing without the control chips, this has been bugging me ever since it was bought up, what is starbuck, and these are just few of questions they have got to answer in the next two hours. I mean I would not mind finding out what the cylon plan was originally, who attack earth and why this would take up a episode by it self, what the child role in this. All the above is far more important than learn information roslin family died in a car crash, Give what the character been through frankly I think she would of stop caring about that a long time ago. In fact, apart from this episode their have not been any hints about it, which if it was such a motivator and or central to the character it would have been bought up way before the last three episodes.

Yes they are three separate episode and should of been written as such as that how they will mostly be watch as anyway.

What you're not realizing is that since the definition of what is 'human' is a core concept along with the nature of 'life' as a state of being, the characters need to be shown as foreever evolving even right up to the end. Who a person is at 20 is not who they are at 30 nor 40, 50 or on their death bed. At my ripe old age, I clearly see how I've mellowed in some areas and have become much more rock solid in certain other areas - case in point, don't even get me started on the use of Toll Roads a means to fund road construction.

HAL2100
March 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
All of this has been posted before, and all of this will be posted again.

All this has been speculated before, all of this will be speculated again.

HAL2100
March 16th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Man, you're in for the big disappointment.

You know all things considered, I very strongly think that there are going to be things deliberately left unanswered for the specific reason that a part of being human is not having all of the answers and because disappointment is a part of the human condition.

MattSilver 3k
March 16th, 2009, 09:51 PM
You know all things considered, I very strongly think that there are going to be things deliberately left unanswered for the specific reason that a part of being human is not having all of the answers and because disappointment is a part of the human condition.

And the fanboys will be pissed as hell and wanting answers, not accepting the concept of disappointment. So they're Cylons?

pjt
March 17th, 2009, 01:28 AM
And the fanboys will be pissed as hell and wanting answers, not accepting the concept of disappointment. So they're Cylons?

No, 'cos "part of being human is not having all of the answers and because disappointment is a part of the human condition"

Also not accepting is part of being a fanboy. :D

Corona
March 17th, 2009, 07:09 AM
From last nights Last Frakkin Special we find that:

Head 6 isn't a computer chip in Gaius head, but a messenger from the gods. RDM

Helo and Athena appear to live happily ever after. Helo

It's all about the characters! Expect some leaps of faith. RDM

It was hard to tell what happens to each character from what they gave us, but the show was good. 3+ days and counting.

Make friends with anyone with a big screen HD 5.1 and crank it up. This is gonna be good!

Rac80
March 17th, 2009, 08:29 AM
Am i the only one who thinks Baltar is going to lead a coup and take over the remnants of the colonial fleet once all of the bigwigs leave? He is weaselly enough to do that. :)

Mongoletsi
March 17th, 2009, 08:37 AM
Baltar had a schizophrenic split when he realized his ego led to the destruction of humanity. Head!6 is his way of coping with what he did- she's his evil alter ego. Every bad quality he possesses is manifested in Head!6- while he sees himself as the innocent, misunderstood Gaius Baltar trying to do good, she's still telling him he's going to rule the world. He can't change, he can only compartmentalize his selfishness and arrogance and call it "6" so he feels better about himself.

Not a bad suggestion. Apparently it's wrong, but up until being told what I recently read (and thus won't repeat for fear of spoilerizing), this would have made a lot of sense to this amateur pscyhologist!

Btw, the consensus round these parts is that "head!six" marks one as an idiot, it's "head-six". Although actually given what I read, "head!six" would make sense, as it isn't Six. I digress. Just stop it :D

Pharaoh Atem
March 17th, 2009, 08:47 AM
Am i the only one who thinks Baltar is going to lead a coup and take over the remnants of the colonial fleet once all of the bigwigs leave? He is weaselly enough to do that. :)

he won't but Paula may be thinking it

Descent
March 17th, 2009, 08:52 AM
he won't but Paula may be thinking it

Neither Baltar or Paula are ambitious (or stupid) enough to pull a Gaeta on the entire fleet. :P

HAL2100
March 17th, 2009, 10:34 AM
Apart from all of the assorted discussions and speculations about whether or not this Friday will be a payoff, or the degree to which it will, I should point out that I don't think that there's really been this much emotional involvement in the end of show for some time. Yes, The Sopranos and Sex and the City were big, but I just don't feel as if they're endings were as hotly anticipated and expected as BSG. Of course, I didn't watch either, but it just seems as if there's a distinct emotional investment in BSG that's much more tangible than other shows - even SG-1 and SG:A.

That being said, I think it would have been cool if RDM and SciFi had decided to produce a non-traditional 5th season, BUT wherein the series ends at the end of the 4th and the 5th merely adds additional backstory with each episode being set sometime in the past as one-off episodes that fill in gaps.

...and before people *****, moan and complain and misunderstand that, let me clarify...

Let's say for example that Kara's legacy is revealed this Friday. In Season 5, there'd be an ep that actually shows the events that happened to her. Or take for example Ellen's resurrection, Season 5 would have an ep that really goes into more detail her time on the ship. The eps wouldn't be flashbacks per se, only the events that have already happened that weren't revealed in the regular series. We might even be able to see the birth of Cavil and his subsequent betrayal.

VSS
March 17th, 2009, 10:37 AM
Not a bad suggestion. Apparently it's wrong, but up until being told what I recently read (and thus won't repeat for fear of spoilerizing), this would have made a lot of sense to this amateur pscyhologist!

Btw, the consensus round these parts is that "head!six" marks one as an idiot, it's "head-six". Although actually given what I read, "head!six" would make sense, as it isn't Six. I digress. Just stop it :D

Thanks. I thought the theory was logical, as far as logic goes.

Since God and RDM can work by fiat and put a Six in Gaius' head, but the rest of us mere mortals have to rely on reason.

And I don't care if head!six marks me as an idiot, since I'm not one.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 17th, 2009, 10:47 AM
Apart from all of the assorted discussions and speculations about whether or not this Friday will be a payoff, or the degree to which it will, I should point out that I don't think that there's really been this much emotional involvement in the end of show for some time. Yes, The Sopranos and Sex and the City were big, but I just don't feel as if they're endings were as hotly anticipated and expected as BSG. Of course, I didn't watch either, but it just seems as if there's a distinct emotional investment in BSG that's much more tangible than other shows - even SG-1 and SG:A.

I guess it depends on where you place the show in your list of personal favorites. I'm looking forward to the finale but not nearly to the degree that more "diehard" fans apparently are.

knowles2
March 17th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Apart from all of the assorted discussions and speculations about whether or not this Friday will be a payoff, or the degree to which it will, I should point out that I don't think that there's really been this much emotional involvement in the end of show for some time. Yes, The Sopranos and Sex and the City were big, but I just don't feel as if they're endings were as hotly anticipated and expected as BSG. Of course, I didn't watch either, but it just seems as if there's a distinct emotional investment in BSG that's much more tangible than other shows - even SG-1 and SG:A.
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Theirs one big difference certainly with SG1 and SGA where we were promise a film or series of films so really just continue the stories and fill in gapes in the writer so choose. Sex and the city also rumor to be getting when it made it last episode.
With BSG, although it would not surprise me, so far no film has be offered to explain future events or even most of the questions I have, through we do have the plan but that set before the current events and would not necessary covered the questions I have, certainly the ones like what the metal cylons been doing when they had there control chips remove or them getting a new home world. Now if we do get a new film focusing the on them two events, plus some other stories to fill out the film then great.


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That being said, I think it would have been cool if RDM and SciFi had decided to produce a non-traditional 5th season, BUT wherein the series ends at the end of the 4th and the 5th merely adds additional backstory with each episode being set sometime in the past as one-off episodes that fill in gaps.

...and before people *****, moan and complain and misunderstand that, let me clarify...

Let's say for example that Kara's legacy is revealed this Friday. In Season 5, there'd be an ep that actually shows the events that happened to her. Or take for example Ellen's resurrection, Season 5 would have an ep that really goes into more detail her time on the ship. The eps wouldn't be flashbacks per se, only the events that have already happened that weren't revealed in the regular series. We might even be able to see the birth of Cavil and his subsequent betrayal.

I would not mind you idea of a fifth season but I would actually focus on couple you pointed and the first cylons vs 12 colony war and the evacuation of Kabol and the war that happen with earth great but there really other them three events that I would want to see, say five episodes each with the other focusing on the event you said, at the end of the season then I be happy with that.

VSS
March 17th, 2009, 11:26 AM
Theirs one big difference certainly with SG1 and SGA where we were promise a film or series of films so really just continue the stories and fill in gapes in the writer so choose. Sex and the city also rumor to be getting when it made it last episode.
With BSG, although it would not surprise me, so far no film has be offered to explain future events or even most of the questions I have, through we do have the plan but that set before the current events and would not necessary covered the questions I have, certainly the ones like what the metal cylons been doing when they had there control chips remove or them getting a new home world. Now if we do get a new film focusing the on them two events, plus some other stories to fill out the film then great.


It's been my impression that one of the purposes of the SG movies is to finish the story arcs, since those shows ran from season to season and then were cancelled. Same with Firefly. BSG has had a definite start and end, and I like that. Although it will be sad to see it go, it made for better, more complex storytelling because there was a plan from the start. Imagine trying to write a novel when you've no idea if this chapter is the last! At this point, if there were BSG movies made as sequels, I'd see it as a total sell-out, a way to milk more money from the franchise.

That's why I'm excited to see the finale. It's not just some quickly-planned ending cobbled together because the word came down from TPTB. Hopefully, it was at least roughly sketched out from the start, and I would like to see what kind of difference that will make.

HAL2100
March 17th, 2009, 12:21 PM
And the fanboys will be pissed as hell and wanting answers, not accepting the concept of disappointment. So they're Cylons?

All of this has been disappointing before, all of this will be disappointing again.

(But I still like the idea of doing a grass-roots campaign/protest wherein we mail nuts and bolts to RDM and SciFi - excuse me SyFy).

HAL2100
March 17th, 2009, 12:27 PM
I guess it depends on where you place the show in your list of personal favorites. I'm looking forward to the finale but not nearly to the degree that more "diehard" fans apparently are.

You are posting in this thread and you don't call yourself a 'diehard' fan? I'm seriously thinking about getting a hotel room with the SciFi channel so I can watch it Friday night and not have to download it Saturday...that or have someone put me in a straight jacket and sedate me otherwise, I'll be on here BEGGING and PLEADING for all the details as soon as the threads open up.

hamatau'ri
March 17th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I just watched this episode and I quite enjoyed it. The flashbacks were quite revealing, although I think most people were expecting a more exciting opening, so was I, but I didn't mind this. Regarding the flashback opening, did anyone notice this, or is it just me:

In the flashback panny scene it shows water and a pigeon as cuts inbetween the panny CGI of Caprica (which IMO was quite impressive) As the flashbacks in the episode progress we know that Roslin was walking in the water feature after she learnt about her families death, and Lee Adama was chasing a pigeon away. When I watched the episode again the first thing that came into my mind was the baptism of Jesus, the pigeon (dove) and water. But that just seems a bit wrong, as there was a cut of Adama talkin to who I guess was Joseph Adama? I think that someone/thing/group of people is going to try and chase something away and fail. I also think that the water represents a new life, or refreshment, "taking a break from all your worries". But the adama cut scene is my missing link. I really hope there is something important concerning those cutscenes, a further revelation, just like in Seasons 1, 2 and fair amounts of 3 - thats what I always liked about BSG, those spine tingling reveals. Keeping my hopes up for the final eppy!

knowles2
March 17th, 2009, 02:47 PM
It's been my impression that one of the purposes of the SG movies is to finish the story arcs, since those shows ran from season to season and then were cancelled. Same with Firefly. BSG has had a definite start and end, and I like that. Although it will be sad to see it go, it made for better, more complex storytelling because there was a plan from the start. Imagine trying to write a novel when you've no idea if this chapter is the last! At this point, if there were BSG movies made as sequels, I'd see it as a total sell-out, a way to milk more money from the franchise.

That's why I'm excited to see the finale. It's not just some quickly-planned ending cobbled together because the word came down from TPTB. Hopefully, it was at least roughly sketched out from the start, and I would like to see what kind of difference that will make.
What plan, Ron admitted there was no plan, yes the cylons may of had plan, I may of had a plan, you may of had a plan but not this Ron Moore fella, nah plans are to good for him, he the kind of guy who just goes with the flow, what a plan, who needs a plan, those silly little things that no one really needs, no one really wants.

There may not be sequels to milk the franchise but there are prequels galore to do the milking instead, two coming up at once, one called craprica and a other one called The plan. yep the one who do not like plans is naming a film called The Plan, I wonder if he been planning it. :p

VSS
March 17th, 2009, 03:06 PM
What plan, Ron admitted there was no plan, yes the cylons may of had plan, I of even had a plan, you may of had a plan but not this Ron Moore fella, he to good for plans, he the kind of guy who just goes with flow, what a plan, who need a plan, those silly little things no really needs no one really wants.

There may not be sequels to milk the franchise but there are prequels galore to do the milking instead, two coming up at once, one called craprica and a other one called The plan. yep the one who do not like plans is naming a film called The Plan, I wonder if he been planning it. :p

I don't mind the prequels so much. Yes, they're to make money- on the other hand I'll get to see more BSG. But what's done is done, and since RDM had plenty of notice, I'm hoping it'll be good. Because there is no excuse such as not knowing when the series will end. To have sequels now would just be to admit he didn't give much thought to the ending although he's had years to do it, and that's lame. Perhaps you're right and that's what he did. Either way, we'll know in a few days.;)

P-90_177
March 17th, 2009, 03:25 PM
What plan, Ron admitted there was no plan, yes the cylons may of had plan, I may of had a plan, you may of had a plan but not this Ron Moore fella, nah plans are to good for him, he the kind of guy who just goes with the flow, what a plan, who needs a plan, those silly little things that no one really needs, no one really wants.

There may not be sequels to milk the franchise but there are prequels galore to do the milking instead, two coming up at once, one called craprica and a other one called The plan. yep the one who do not like plans is naming a film called The Plan, I wonder if he been planning it. :p

you know i really admire RDMs method of doing things. he knows where he wants to get to so he has a rough ending in mind but he has no idea how to get there so he just goes with what seems good at the time.......that's how i would do it.

Mongoletsi
March 17th, 2009, 05:54 PM
There may not be sequels to milk the franchise but there are prequels galore to do the milking instead, two coming up at once, one called craprica and a other one called The plan. yep the one who do not like plans is naming a film called The Plan, I wonder if he been planning it. :p

Fail to plan; plan to fail :D

Pheonix Commander
March 18th, 2009, 05:50 AM
Apart from all of the assorted discussions and speculations about whether or not this Friday will be a payoff, or the degree to which it will, I should point out that I don't think that there's really been this much emotional involvement in the end of show for some time. Yes, The Sopranos and Sex and the City were big, but I just don't feel as if they're endings were as hotly anticipated and expected as BSG. Of course, I didn't watch either, but it just seems as if there's a distinct emotional investment in BSG that's much more tangible than other shows - even SG-1 and SG:A.

That being said, I think it would have been cool if RDM and SciFi had decided to produce a non-traditional 5th season, BUT wherein the series ends at the end of the 4th and the 5th merely adds additional backstory with each episode being set sometime in the past as one-off episodes that fill in gaps.

...and before people *****, moan and complain and misunderstand that, let me clarify...

Let's say for example that Kara's legacy is revealed this Friday. In Season 5, there'd be an ep that actually shows the events that happened to her. Or take for example Ellen's resurrection, Season 5 would have an ep that really goes into more detail her time on the ship. The eps wouldn't be flashbacks per se, only the events that have already happened that weren't revealed in the regular series. We might even be able to see the birth of Cavil and his subsequent betrayal.

A bit like Battlestar Galactica - the tail section, like in lost?

HAL2100
March 18th, 2009, 08:07 AM
A bit like Battlestar Galactica - the tail section, like in lost?

Somewhat.

HAL2100
March 18th, 2009, 08:08 AM
Fail to plan; plan to fail :D

All this has been ad libbed before, all this will be ad libbed again.

(Sorry, I'm taking every opportunity to cite the mantra...)

Pharaoh Atem
March 22nd, 2009, 05:27 AM
still wondering what sam told bill and kara what hera was???

bfldworker
March 22nd, 2009, 03:33 PM
I was just watching Daybreak part 1. And in the scene where Baltar, 6 and Baltars father are in the same room and Baltars father says to 6 after she says "This is your father" his father says "not that youd ever know it, you see Gaius is ashamed of his family" Then you hear Baltar drop the 'F' bomb by saying "I need this, I need this like a F***ing hole in the head". I played that over and over just to make sure. It isn't Frak, fraking or any other variation of frak. It is the 'F' bomb.

It's about 9 minutes 27 seconds into the show. For those who don't have it here is the link to Hulu.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/63676/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-part-1?c=Science-Fiction


Anyone else notice that? Or am I just wacky?

Matt G
March 24th, 2009, 03:18 PM
1. The flashbacks looked like a waste of time.

2. Baltar...meh.

3. Interesting to see Lee back in uniform.

4. Liked Adama's line to Starbuck - it's what's on the inside that counts.

Still though, felt like the second filler ep in a row.

Back40
March 24th, 2009, 07:20 PM
I was just watching Daybreak part 1. And in the scene where Baltar, 6 and Baltars father are in the same room and Baltars father says to 6 after she says "This is your father" his father says "not that youd ever know it, you see Gaius is ashamed of his family" Then you hear Baltar drop the 'F' bomb by saying "I need this, I need this like a F***ing hole in the head". I played that over and over just to make sure. It isn't Frak, fraking or any other variation of frak. It is the 'F' bomb.

It's about 9 minutes 27 seconds into the show. For those who don't have it here is the link to Hulu.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/63676/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-part-1?c=Science-Fiction


Anyone else notice that? Or am I just wacky?

I got frakkin', so did my deaf friend :D

Angela V
August 14th, 2009, 02:34 PM
I thought it was awesome. But then I had to wait to buy the DVD box set so was able to press Play All and see all 3 parts together. :D

Comparing BSG to B5 just baffles me. I got to watch B5 on DVD from my library. Heard great things about it. I ended thinking it was a waste of time because I might have liked about half the characters that went through the show. Too much bad acting. Some storylines just didn't do a thing for me. But BSG to me was awesome. I enjoyed it greatly. I rewatched seasons 1-4.0 when I got them on DVD a few months before 4.5 was to come out. This is a show I would gladly watch again.

Now to go to the last threads.

DigiFluid
October 29th, 2009, 11:27 PM
I was just rewatching a bit of the beginning yesterday, the flashbacks to Caprica City before the fall.

God, brilliant stuff. I got to the end of Roslin's "baptism" and then just went to bed satisfied. The scoring, the visuals, the acting, so fantastic. Even the wording of "Caprica City, Before the Fall"....it's just so completely tragic. We see a bunch of our characters just living out their lives before it all comes to a crashing end and that wonderful, vibrant, teeming city thriving with life--is abruptly rendered a lifeless, irradiated, yellow-baked shell of its former self.

Those 15 minutes just speak countless volumes about the frailty, fragility, and fleeting nature of life. Love it.

IcarusAbides
October 29th, 2009, 11:30 PM
I was just rewatching a bit of the beginning yesterday, the flashbacks to Caprica City before the fall.

God, brilliant stuff. I got to the end of Roslin's "baptism" and then just went to bed satisfied. The scoring, the visuals, the acting, so fantastic. Even the wording of "Caprica City, Before the Fall"....it's just so completely tragic. We see a bunch of our characters just living out their lives before it all comes to a crashing end and that wonderful, vibrant, teeming city thriving with life--is abruptly rendered a lifeless, irradiated, yellow-baked shell of its former self.

Those 15 minutes just speak countless volumes about the frailty, fragility, and fleeting nature of life. Love it.
I could never have just gone to bed happy as you did, i would be too hooked once more and would have to watch the remaining parts of Daybreak before sleep. I agree that the visuals were stunning.