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GateWorld
February 2nd, 2009, 06:32 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 322</FONT>
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Noah Bennet grows suspicious that the body in his morgue is not Sylar's, while the real Sylar plans to torment him. Parkman uses his ability to target someone Danko cares about, and Hiro and Ando try to get Matt's temperamental baby to New York.

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the fifth man
April 6th, 2009, 07:43 PM
This was a pretty good episode tonight. Finally, Noah is on the run like the rest of them, and we got to see a personal side to Danko. Also, as always, Hiro and Ando were great. Those two make me laugh so much.:)

By the look of it, next week's episode should be interesting.

HAL2100
April 6th, 2009, 07:47 PM
What all happened in the first half? I didn't get home till 9:30.

Cak20
April 7th, 2009, 07:11 AM
i was disapointed that scyler wasn't in it

drake122
April 7th, 2009, 02:28 PM
i was disapointed that scyler wasn't in it

What show were you watching? lol

HAL2100
April 7th, 2009, 02:33 PM
i was disapointed that scyler wasn't in it

Syler or Zachary Quinto?

Syler was in the episode.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 7th, 2009, 04:10 PM
TaFtS was ok. Once again the best part was the last scene. I think the people buried there are pre-Primatech.

I missed all the Mohinder stuff... I remember he found something his father had in storage but didn't catch what it was?

I'm assuming that Matt, Hiro and Ando are gonna meet up with the Petrelli gang now... hopefully Peter will get his abilities back - Which coincidentally means the baby will no longer be needed will he? (that would be a good thing as far as I'm concerned)

entil2001
April 7th, 2009, 04:27 PM
After the previous episode, I noted that the return of a strong and popular writer can have a synergistic effect on the rest of the writers' room, even if there are no other major changes. This episode seems to provide a counter-example. Instead of stepping up to the plate, the writers seemed to fall back into old habits.

Perhaps the worst was Matt Parkman's decision to strike back at Danko by attacking Danko's love interest Alena. The writers use Alena as an object to be used, and she is never given definition beyond her relationship with Danko. It seems to be an excuse for pushing Danko into an even more disturbing direction, thus undermining Matt's intentions completely, but that's beside the point.

The point is that the writers were already on thin ice. Daphne was killed to service Matt's character. This renders her character little more than fodder to drive Matt forward. Matt's subsequent decision only compounds the offense. Daphne and Alena became objects to be possessed, used, and avenged. I won't pretend to be the most consistent ally of feminism, but some things are too obvious and egregious to ignore.

It is likely to become a reason for Danko to step up his villainous game, which is unfortunate, because it's an external pressure. Since his introduction, Danko has been lacking a strong internal reason for pursuing his anti-metahuman crusade. Unlike Noah Bennett, who was rendered as a man with clear motivations during the first season, Danko is two-dimensional. That makes him less than compelling.

Noah's contest of wills with Sylar may have been designed to push him towards working directly with the heroes, but it also exposed all the ugly treatment that Sandra had to endure over the years. This was never much of a secret, of course, since her memory was erased on a regular basis. It's no wonder Sandra wants a divorce!

An inordinate amount of time was also spent on Hiro and Ando's travels with Baby Matt Parkman. Bringing Matt his son is clearly meant to stop him from falling further into the darkness, but that means that Hiro and Ando are once again used as comic relief. Hiro and Ando deserve a much better subplot than they've been given since the first season.

The bottom line is that this episode slipped back a bit from the progress they made in recent weeks, and this tempers my enthusiasm for the remainder of the season. It also confirms what fans should have realized from the get-go: Bryan Fuller was not the perfect savior of "Heroes", and no one writer is going to resolve all the issues in the writers' room.

knowles2
April 7th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Overall a good episode, not the strongest but good.

Personally I think it would of been more interesting if we saw Matt just shoot Danko girlfriend in cold blood out of pure revenge, just to see how dark his character is going.
Ando and Hiro, characters are just getting on my nerves at the moment, especially in this episode.
We saw a bit of Sylar in this episode not as much as I want but a bit, but again I think we needed just something a bit bolder from that scene.
Through how Danko going to explain where the body gone to, I want to see.
The best bit was the ending where we saw the mass grave, bound to be some sought of first generation. An a explanation of why Angela and her gang created Primatech. I am betting that they were killed by the government. The government somehow forgot about the whole incident and the existence of the heroes.
It is going to be interesting how much they are going to tie all the back stories together with the new secret government project storyline.
I am also wondering where Macca went.\

I am hoping this seasons end with them deciding to recreate primatech.

PG15
April 7th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Heh, talk about a difference of opinion. I LOVED this episode. It was probably the best episode of this volume for me.

The plot finally started moving towards something, and we got some sweet character stuff with Noah Bennett (who is quickly becoming my favorite character). I liked Matt's story too, and I respect that he stayed who he is and didn't go through with it.

I had no idea who was, and who wasn't Sylar, so that kept me on the edge of my seat. It was heartbreaking watching Noah screw up over and over, even though he was right at the end. Also, I cheered when Hiro froze time just as Matt was being shot; I was so engrossed in the scene between Matt, Danko (who I now have sympathies for; I think they're doing a great job with his character), and Elena, that I had totally forgotten about Hiro.

Looking forward to next week's episode!

Descent
April 7th, 2009, 11:35 PM
Heh, talk about a difference of opinion. I LOVED this episode. It was probably the best episode of this volume for me.

B-but... Cold Snap? :( No, I pretty much agree with you. I think these past couple of episodes have been particularly strong for the most part.

I disagree with whoever said that Bryan Fuller isn't turning the show around. I have seen an improvement in the writing and plotting of the show so far. Kudos to him.

mrodwell
April 8th, 2009, 12:35 AM
Morning,
I agree i feel like it was a very strong episode. Still give Peter his powers back i also feel there making Sylar too strong specially with his shape shifting are they going to use this more and more so that the actor can go off and do other things i wonder. looking forward to next week though not seen any previews yet. Links welcome.

Matt

Madwelshboy
April 8th, 2009, 01:58 AM
I thought it was a good episode, in terms of setting the stage for the final 3 episode of the season. I really dont like the Hiro/Ando & Baby Matt stuff story wise, but it did make me laugh a little. I can understand the Matt/Danko stuff but again it was a bit meh for me. The HRG and Sandra scene in her hotel room was great, with some geat acting from both actors. The final scene as someone has said was the most interesting, can't wait for the Angela centric episode next week!!


Morning,
I agree i feel like it was a very strong episode. Still give Peter his powers back i also feel there making Sylar too strong specially with his shape shifting are they going to use this more and more so that the actor can go off and do other things i wonder. looking forward to next week though not seen any previews yet. Links welcome.

Matt

All previews, episode disscription etc are in the Vol 4 thread

Wyrminarrd
April 8th, 2009, 02:54 AM
Good episode, the only thing I didnīt like was the massive plot device in Mohinders dad just happening to have left stuff in storage that the landlord for some reason never mentioned to Mohinder before.

Syler is without a doubt loving his new ability and is using it to great effect, there is no doubt in my mind that he will at some point close in the future take out Danko and take his place.

rosey_angel
April 8th, 2009, 04:37 AM
Good episode, the only thing I didnīt like was the massive plot device in Mohinders dad just happening to have left stuff in storage that the landlord for some reason never mentioned to Mohinder before.


i agree. i haven't liked mohinder for a while now, and this kind of felt like they just shoved him in there.




All previews, episode disscription etc are in the Vol 4 thread

cool thanks, i've been wanting to see a preview, too


Morning,
I agree i feel like it was a very strong episode. Still give Peter his powers back i also feel there making Sylar too strong specially with his shape shifting are they going to use this more and more so that the actor can go off and do other things i wonder. looking forward to next week though not seen any previews yet. Links welcome.

Matt

i agree; especially now that peter basically has none. to begin with they were the strongest characters, and now the villian is unstopable and the hero powerless= good drama! when peter has all his powers it didn't really make sense for him not to just kill sylar out right.


Heh, talk about a difference of opinion. I LOVED this episode. It was probably the best episode of this volume for me.

The plot finally started moving towards something, and we got some sweet character stuff with Noah Bennett (who is quickly becoming my favorite character). I liked Matt's story too, and I respect that he stayed who he is and didn't go through with it.

I had no idea who was, and who wasn't Sylar, so that kept me on the edge of my seat. It was heartbreaking watching Noah screw up over and over, even though he was right at the end. Also, I cheered when Hiro froze time just as Matt was being shot; I was so engrossed in the scene between Matt, Danko (who I now have sympathies for; I think they're doing a great job with his character), and Elena, that I had totally forgotten about Hiro.

Looking forward to next week's episode!

i comepletely agree! i would put my own review up but that's basically it :D

dosed150
April 8th, 2009, 08:01 AM
matts plan to get revenge on danko was a bit hard to swallow, would matt even greaving be stupid enough to play right into the whole people with powers are evil thing, what ended up happening would have been a much better plan to take the girl danko loves from him

HAL2100
April 8th, 2009, 07:50 PM
matts plan to get revenge on danko was a bit hard to swallow, would matt even greaving be stupid enough to play right into the whole people with powers are evil thing, what ended up happening would have been a much better plan to take the girl danko loves from him

I think that it would have been better if Matt's desire for revenge had been more of an arc across several episodes building up to the confrontation where we see Matt over the episodes dealing with the anger and loss and inner turmoil over it to begin with.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
April 8th, 2009, 10:06 PM
Noah's contest of wills with Sylar may have been designed to push him towards working directly with the heroes, but it also exposed all the ugly treatment that Sandra had to endure over the years. This was never much of a secret, of course, since her memory was erased on a regular basis. It's no wonder Sandra wants a divorce!
It was my understanding that the whole divorce thing was a fabrication constructed by Sylar. Did I miss something? I mean, Sandra kicked him out of the house in a previous episode, but she never actually mentioned divorce, did she?

Shan Bruce Lee
April 9th, 2009, 09:13 AM
I think that it would have been better if Matt's desire for revenge had been more of an arc across several episodes building up to the confrontation where we see Matt over the episodes dealing with the anger and loss and inner turmoil over it to begin with.

There was a little bit of that when she was shot but it only lasted until he found out she was still alive.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 9th, 2009, 09:13 AM
It was my understanding that the whole divorce thing was a fabrication constructed by Sylar. Did I miss something? I mean, Sandra kicked him out of the house in a previous episode, but she never actually mentioned divorce, did she?

Yeah, the Mrs. Bennett that gave HRG the divorce papers was Sylar.

flameling
April 9th, 2009, 09:57 AM
Over all good episode.
Good:
Good amount of mystery around Angela.
How Hiro saved the day.
The Sylar-Noah part.
The ending.

Bad:
Where did Micah go?
Elena didn't die.

Cak20
April 12th, 2009, 05:37 AM
Syler or Zachary Quinto?

Syler was in the episode.

i must have missed a bit of it

Merlin1701
April 12th, 2009, 12:59 PM
question:

Will baby Parkman give Peter all his powers back or unlock his ability to absorb more than one?

Shan Bruce Lee
April 12th, 2009, 04:30 PM
question:

Will baby Parkman give Peter all his powers back or unlock his ability to absorb more than one?

No idea, but I'm really hoping that happens.

Merlin1701
April 12th, 2009, 11:49 PM
me too. It was great when it started but the series needs balance. I think tptb are holding back as Hiro or Peter could just travel back in time to stop the beans from being spilt.

wise one
April 15th, 2009, 08:00 AM
i think hiro just having to to stop time is good, otherwise teleporting and whatnot is abit to powerful for my liking

Shan Bruce Lee
April 15th, 2009, 01:26 PM
i think hiro just having to to stop time is good, otherwise teleporting and whatnot is abit to powerful for my liking

I kinda agree with that... at least the time traveling part. Time travel is the main thing they needed to get rid of. I can live with everything else (I think)

Merlin1701
April 16th, 2009, 01:01 PM
What would happen then if Ando supercharged baby Parkman or nathan?

Shan Bruce Lee
April 16th, 2009, 01:25 PM
What would happen then if Ando supercharged baby Parkman or nathan?

lol Nathan would be shot into orbit...

knowles2
April 21st, 2009, 11:33 AM
What would happen then if Ando supercharged baby Parkman or nathan?

Nathan who knows. Ando super charging the baby means the baby may be able unleash the heros powers to there full protental.

Matt G
April 23rd, 2009, 02:57 PM
1. Making your progress reliant on a baby's moods is not a good idea.

2. Do 'not' chase a shapeshifter Noah!

3. There was no great wisdom in Matt's revenge attempt either.

4. Let's see what we find in the dirt.

garhkal
January 12th, 2016, 01:09 AM
This was a pretty good episode tonight. Finally, Noah is on the run like the rest of them, and we got to see a personal side to Danko. Also, as always, Hiro and Ando were great. Those two make me laugh so much.:)
.

And it was great watching Matt make him squirm.. See how it feels losing your own love!


TaFtS was ok. Once again the best part was the last scene. I think the people buried there are pre-Primatech.

I missed all the Mohinder stuff... I remember he found something his father had in storage but didn't catch what it was?

Supposedly Mohinder's dads stuff contained info on that test site Angela and co went too.. Maybe that is where they initially started all the testing ON metas and made that formula work...


Perhaps the worst was Matt Parkman's decision to strike back at Danko by attacking Danko's love interest Alena. The writers use Alena as an object to be used, and she is never given definition beyond her relationship with Danko. It seems to be an excuse for pushing Danko into an even more disturbing direction, thus undermining Matt's intentions completely, but that's beside the point.


I disagree. I felt it was well done, especially Matt NOT killing her and showing he didn't fully turn to the 'dark side'.. I also loved that Alena left Danko.


Noah's contest of wills with Sylar may have been designed to push him towards working directly with the heroes, but it also exposed all the ugly treatment that Sandra had to endure over the years. This was never much of a secret, of course, since her memory was erased on a regular basis. It's no wonder Sandra wants a divorce!


True. I loved how Noah was all ready to shoot his real wife (thinking it was sylar), but now Sylar's plan to get him hurt by divorce has come to fruition..



Personally I think it would of been more interesting if we saw Matt just shoot Danko girlfriend in cold blood out of pure revenge, just to see how dark his character is going.

It might have explained WHY he is working for the baddies in Heroes reborn...



Through how Danko going to explain where the body gone to, I want to see.

I too would love that. BUT i loved how Sylar played possum even bleeding out just enough to fool Noah..


The best bit was the ending where we saw the mass grave, bound to be some sought of first generation. An a explanation of why Angela and her gang created Primatech. I am betting that they were killed by the government. The government somehow forgot about the whole incident and the existence of the heroes.

Maybe that was the corporation/company's first attempt with the formula to create metas, and they discarded their test subjects...


I am also wondering where Macca went.\


Who knows..


i think hiro just having to to stop time is good, otherwise teleporting and whatnot is abit to powerful for my liking

I'd rather him have his teleport power back, since he could only do one person at a time, vice time stopping..