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GateWorld
February 2nd, 2009, 06:31 PM
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On the run from the organization he created, Nathan takes Claire south of the border. Sylar offers to help Danko find the man who killed three of his men, while Angela Petrelli -- now hunted herself -- seeks insight into where to go next.

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Gala
March 31st, 2009, 01:55 PM
Is it just me or would the wholen religeous begging scene have been a super cool way for peter to get his powers back and then go kick some hunter ass before making a great escape :confused:

knowles2
March 31st, 2009, 03:14 PM
I personally thought this episode was a bit slow. Mrs Angela Petrelli story was a big let down, I wanted details and flash backs.

I thought Claire and Nathan story was a fun diversion. I am never entering a drinking contest against Claire. Through I have manage 31 shots in a row, but it was not a pretty site afterwards, and my mate manage beat me with 40 but he regretted it the next day, the rest of the weaklings gave out at 20 and 23.

The Sylar was good but made the Hunter look like a amateur. I am wondering where Microwave kid gone to or is he brain goo.

Hunter is so dead. And Sylar is his replacement :cameron:.
Enjoyed the shape shifter, but I so wanted him to beat them two.

flameling
March 31st, 2009, 04:14 PM
sylar, that's was my highlight. He was just awesome in this episode. And how they tricked Noah, genius! The Claire-Nathatn side story was interesting. I also thought that Peter would have gotten his powers back when he was doing the religous begging scene. He better get it back facing Sylar down in some church and when Sylar is about to kill him, he suddenly can use ALL of Sylar's powers and they both go full out. Still, a good episode overall.

the fifth man
March 31st, 2009, 07:05 PM
Very good episode last night. This Volume has been very strong. The highlight of the night though - definitely Sylar. That guy is so bad-***!

mrodwell
April 1st, 2009, 02:41 AM
Slow, and i wanted Peter to get his powers back too. It would have made sense. i noticed Angela kept touching his hands and the powers never transferred over? is that a plot hole or what. Whats the point in having Sylar all powerful if there is noone like peter to match him. Not a big fan of his link up either would prefer them working on there own as bad guys with there own agendas.

Pretty good episode better now Nathan isn't trying to be the bad guy. didn't make much sense.

one last note. BRING BACK PETERS AND HIROS POWERS NOW.

mrodwell
April 1st, 2009, 02:42 AM
oh and anyone get the impression Sylar would go after Molly as she could pin point any of the people with abilities?

Wyrminarrd
April 1st, 2009, 03:04 AM
Good episode.

Peterīs begging scene did seem to help confirm my theory that Peterīs powers are still fully functional but because they are based on empathy and Peter has become very cynical and alienated from everyone heīs lost the ability to absorb powers by proximity and can only do so by making a direct, physical contact.

Syler is getting back into the form we all know and love from the first season. His emo phase seems to be over and he knows what he wants to do and is going after it with all the psychotic glee we could ever hope for.

Claire seems to be getting more and more tolerable, she has more or less stopped whining about everything and hopefully will along with Nathan start to become more proactive. I also want Claire to to things for reasons other then to get back at daddy (either of them).

Jonzey
April 1st, 2009, 03:09 AM
i noticed Angela kept touching his hands and the powers never transferred over? is that a plot hole or what.

No. It has happened before this volume. We can deduce that he has to want to take the power for him to take it- but the first time when he took Tracey's power he was distracted and accidentally took it.

Madwelshboy
April 1st, 2009, 03:19 AM
I think the episode was a bit slow, was more about set up than anything else. I thought that Milo and Cristine really brought it in the chruch scenes, acting as a good set up for the Angela centric episode (23) "1961". (cant wait!!!) The Sylar storyline final becomes a bit more relevant to the over all plot of the volume. I like the more realistic shapeshifting that they came up with compared to the x-men movie type shapeshifting and will no doubt play an important part in things to come. Claire/Nathan was abit of a distraction that was bit meh, but needed to bring them closer together.

Madwelshboy
April 1st, 2009, 07:50 AM
Episode 3x21 Into Asylum - Deleted Scene

Here is one of those rare moments where we actually get so see a deleted scene from an episode.

This is a scene right after the drinking challenge Nathan and Claire have with the Frat boys.

http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com/2009/04/episode-3x21-into-asylum-deleted-scene.html

dosed150
April 1st, 2009, 11:17 AM
nathan said denko couldnt get them in mexico, yet he could get hiro and ando in japan hows that make sense, if anything it would be harder to get someone out of japan, denko is also obviously an idiot so hes going to make the most dangerous person with abilities more powerful to get rid of other people with abilities and he cant't see how that might backfire

Contraban
April 1st, 2009, 12:12 PM
Which ability did Syler use when he was in Danko's car? One second he was there, the next he is standing on a rooftop. Did i miss something?

knowles2
April 1st, 2009, 01:06 PM
Which ability did Syler use when he was in Danko's car? One second he was there, the next he is standing on a rooftop. Did i miss something?

Nope he certainly learnt a few new tricks since the last time we saw him on the hunt.


Episode 3x21 Into Asylum - Deleted Scene

Here is one of those rare moments where we actually get so see a deleted scene from an episode.

This is a scene right after the drinking challenge Nathan and Claire have with the Frat boys.

http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com...ted-scene.html

The episode certainly makes more sense with that scene.

drake122
April 1st, 2009, 03:13 PM
Which ability did Syler use when he was in Danko's car? One second he was there, the next he is standing on a rooftop. Did i miss something?



it's a new ability called plothole creation.

entil2001
April 1st, 2009, 04:15 PM
I can understand why this wasn't the episode for everyone. In a lot of ways, this reminded me of the current "Terminator" series. Rather than focus on action, this was an episode about character. For some shows, this is hardly worthy of note, but for "Heroes", it's a rather big shift. And more importantly, the character exploration was actually well done. It wasn't fast-paced, but it made sense.

The episode focused mostly on three plots in rotation: Peter and Angela, Nathan and Claire, and Danko and Sylar. Two of the threads are fairly introspective, even if they bring characters to an important step along their respective paths. The third plot thread is a bit more active, but serves to begin clarifying some of the mess from Volume Three.

Angela is clearly going to play a stronger role in the balance of this volume, bringing together the metahumans based on her precognitive dream. This is not particularly new to the series, of course, but I liked how it was treated in this instance. It wasn't about puzzling over yet another set of Tim Sale drawings, delaying understanding and action. This was about giving Angela the peace of mind necessary to use her ability to everyone's advantage. Finding a kind of peace with Peter was necessary to that end. As such, their time in the church was as much about Peter finding his way as it was Angela getting what she needed.

I've often felt that Peter was designed to be the leader of the "good" metahumans, because of the scale of his power. The writers have adjusted that to make Peter less of a "superman", and this should push him to work with others to combat the common threat. If the previous volumes have told us anything, it's that the Petrellis have always tried to lead the metahumans through their own self-generated crises. They typically fail based on their human weaknesses. So this could be a step in the right direction, if they can begin learning from their mistakes.

Nathan is certainly no better than Peter. Nathan has the leadership skills (or he wouldn't be persuasive enough to be a successful politician), but he lacks innate common sense. He's not nearly as clever or aware as he seems to think he is. Claire is probably the last person to call Nathan on his shortcomings, given her track record of leaping before looking, but she's probably going to be the catalyst to get the rest of the Petrelli brood in gear. (And I must say, Hayden is gorgeous in this episode, particularly the first half!)

If the two Petrelli-dominated plot threads are meant to point towards potential leadership for the "heroes", then Danko's alliance with Sylar is clearly meant to elevate him back to the role as the main antagonist. This is where Sylar should have started at the beginning of Volume Three, frankly, and his manipulation of Danko is nearly perfect. Now that Sylar is thought to be dead, and he can assume any appearance, he can do just about anything. In fact, it wouldn't be all that surprising if he killed Danko and took his place.

Considering how long I've been pointing out the lack of clear and logical motivations for the characters, this is a very good sign. It gives me hope that the remainder of the season will course-correct the series and start repairing the damage that Volume Three had caused.

lunarleviathan
April 2nd, 2009, 03:50 AM
I don't like the idea of Sylar having the shape-shifting power, it makes him too powerful. I wouldn't mind so much if they hadn't nerfed Peter's ability. There seems to be no balance to Sylar's power anymore and I really can't see a reasonable way around that fact, especially if he starts acquiring new powers and nobody other than himself and Danko know about it.

For once Claire was well written in this episode. She finally felt like the character she was during season 1 and not some hyper active pest. I enjoyed her scenes with Nathan even though they were entirely character-centric.

Angela has a mystery sister... right. Not sure where that's going, but introducing even more long lost family members is a bad sign. How often does this show play that card?

ipp0
April 2nd, 2009, 02:42 PM
I don't like the idea of Sylar having the shape-shifting power, it makes him too powerful.

Indeed. Now you could actually imagine a future in which no one knows Sylar is alive. A future in which Nathan Petrelli becomes the president, and is later killed and replaced by shapeshifting Sylar. A future in which heroes would be split into two factions, with Sylar leading the nation and Peter as the leader of the rebels. If only the writers had thought of something cool like that!

lunarleviathan
April 2nd, 2009, 06:35 PM
Indeed. Now you could actually imagine a future in which no one knows Sylar is alive. A future in which Nathan Petrelli becomes the president, and is later killed and replaced by shapeshifting Sylar. A future in which heroes would be split into two factions, with Sylar leading the nation and Peter as the leader of the rebels. If only the writers had thought of something cool like that!

That future was terrible (the explosion part was good, but president Sylar was random). On the plus side, if they were to pick up that thread again -- or something similar -- at least he wouldn't be a powerful as if he had actually acquired Candice's Illusion power that he was using during that future.

s09119
April 2nd, 2009, 07:17 PM
I don't like the idea of Sylar having the shape-shifting power, it makes him too powerful. I wouldn't mind so much if they hadn't nerfed Peter's ability. There seems to be no balance to Sylar's power anymore and I really can't see a reasonable way around that fact, especially if he starts acquiring new powers and nobody other than himself and Danko know about it.

For once Claire was well written in this episode. She finally felt like the character she was during season 1 and not some hyper active pest. I enjoyed her scenes with Nathan even though they were entirely character-centric.

Angela has a mystery sister... right. Not sure where that's going, but introducing even more long lost family members is a bad sign. How often does this show play that card?

The thing that bothers me is that this is precisely why they nerfed Peter in the first place; he was too powerful for anyone to fight against and win. And yet now they do the same thing to Sylar (with no more Peter to match him) and apparently it's not big deal? It unbalances the show... no one can realistically kill Sylar now.

Madwelshboy
April 3rd, 2009, 12:46 AM
The thing that bothers me is that this is precisely why they nerfed Peter in the first place; he was too powerful for anyone to fight against and win. And yet now they do the same thing to Sylar (with no more Peter to match him) and apparently it's not big deal? It unbalances the show... no one can realistically kill Sylar now.

Personally for me the villain of a story should always be more powerful than your heroes.
That way you can create a great story of all the heroes coming together, pooling all their resources to bring down the big bad. There are many examples of this throughout the media. in SG1 for example, for a significant part of the show the goa'uld/ori were more powerful than our heroes. In Buffy each season brought a bigger stronger evil to fight, with the heroes fighting a up hill battle to win. These great example in comic, which is a great parallel to draw since Heroes is meant to be written like a comic book. You have Doomsday in the superman comics, Apocalipse in the x-men comics

knowsfords
April 3rd, 2009, 03:38 AM
Personally for me the villain of a story should always be more powerful than your heroes.
That way you can create a great story of all the heroes coming together, pooling all their resources to bring down the big bad. There are many examples of this throughout the media. in SG1 for example, for a significant part of the show the goa'uld/ori were more powerful than our heroes. In Buffy each season brought a bigger stronger evil to fight, with the heroes fighting a up hill battle to win. These great example in comic, which is a great parallel to draw since Heroes is meant to be written like a comic book. You have Doomsday in the superman comics, Apocalipse in the x-men comics

However they are always cheesey "We worked as a team, see how much better we work as a team"

s09119
April 3rd, 2009, 06:03 AM
Personally for me the villain of a story should always be more powerful than your heroes.
That way you can create a great story of all the heroes coming together, pooling all their resources to bring down the big bad. There are many examples of this throughout the media. in SG1 for example, for a significant part of the show the goa'uld/ori were more powerful than our heroes. In Buffy each season brought a bigger stronger evil to fight, with the heroes fighting a up hill battle to win. These great example in comic, which is a great parallel to draw since Heroes is meant to be written like a comic book. You have Doomsday in the superman comics, Apocalipse in the x-men comics

But even working together, they couldn't beat Sylar, not without Hiro at least, and his powers seem sporadic at best now, and he's not part of the "team" at this point. If Nathan, Peter, Claire, Micah, Noah, Parkman, Suresh, Tracy (assuming she is still alive somehow) and Angela were to all pool their powers and attack Sylar, he'd take them all out in a matter of minutes. He's just too powerful, with too many uber-powers for any of the "lesser abilities" to handle, even combined.

Madwelshboy
April 3rd, 2009, 06:40 AM
But even working together, they couldn't beat Sylar, not without Hiro at least, and his powers seem sporadic at best now, and he's not part of the "team" at this point. If Nathan, Peter, Claire, Micah, Noah, Parkman, Suresh, Tracy (assuming she is still alive somehow) and Angela were to all pool their powers and attack Sylar, he'd take them all out in a matter of minutes. He's just too powerful, with too many uber-powers for any of the "lesser abilities" to handle, even combined.

Sylar only has the following powers:-
intuitive aptitude
telekinesis
Rapid cellular regeneration
Alchemic transmutation
Clairsentience
Sound manipulation
Electric manipulation
Lie detection
Thoughtography
Shapeshifting
And in a battle sittuation Lie detection, Thoughtography, Alchemic transmutation as not very usefull. And to a certain extent neither is intuitive aptitude.

Im not saying that they will completely kill Sylar (the characters have already thought he was dead twice), but drawing parallell again to Apocalypse in the x-men comics - heres a villan that the Heroes come up against again and again who is more powerfull than the x-men team, yet they manage to beat him back again and again, but he allways returns. That's how i see Sylar.

TBA
April 3rd, 2009, 06:57 AM
Not so hard to kill Sylar... Just hide somewhere, grab a sniper rifle, headshot and he's down. But now he has shapeshifting and only Danko knows he's still alive...

knowles2
April 3rd, 2009, 11:59 AM
The thing that bothers me is that this is precisely why they nerfed Peter in the first place; he was too powerful for anyone to fight against and win. And yet now they do the same thing to Sylar (with no more Peter to match him) and apparently it's not big deal? It unbalances the show... no one can realistically kill Sylar now.

As people said a long range sniper shot will do it.


Sylar only has the following powers:-
intuitive aptitude
telekinesis
Rapid cellular regeneration
Alchemic transmutation
Clairsentience
Sound manipulation
Electric manipulation
Lie detection
Thoughtography
Shapeshifting
And in a battle sittuation Lie detection, Thoughtography, Alchemic transmutation as not very usefull. And to a certain extent neither is intuitive aptitude.

Im not saying that they will completely kill Sylar (the characters have already thought he was dead twice), but drawing parallell again to Apocalypse in the x-men comics - heres a villan that the Heroes come up against again and again who is more powerfull than the x-men team, yet they manage to beat him back again and again, but he allways returns. That's how i see Sylar.

I am pretty sure he got more than that by now. I am guest microwaving people is probable one.
But seeing the future will allow Angela to predict his every move. Which is something he probably unaware off.
I want to see at the end of the season that we see Washington destroy and in rubble. It about time our heroes tasted a bitter victory.
The whole sniper thing is obvious but bit boring. Especially with Angela on your side.

I personally think may be the baby will play essentially part on what ever Angela plan is.

Madwelshboy
April 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM
As people said a long range sniper shot will do it.



I am pretty sure he got more than that by now. I am guest microwaving people is probable one.
But seeing the future will allow Angela to predict his every move. Which is something he probably unaware off.
I want to see at the end of the season that we see Washington destroy and in rubble. It about time our heroes tasted a bitter victory.
The whole sniper thing is obvious but bit boring. Especially with Angela on your side.

I personally think may be the baby will play essentially part on what ever Angela plan is.

True he could have more powers, the ones Ive listed are the one confirmed on screen that he's gained since regaining his powers at the start of Vol 3. in regards to microwaving, he didnt kill Luke nor was it shown that he attempted to take his powers (like he did with elle and the shapeshifter), but its possible.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 4th, 2009, 01:30 AM
Not so hard to kill Sylar... Just hide somewhere, grab a sniper rifle, headshot and he's down. But now he has shapeshifting and only Danko knows he's still alive...

HRG knows.

TBA
April 4th, 2009, 02:06 AM
I believe HRG doesn't know Sylar is still out there. He zipped up the body bag with MartinSylar in it, believing it was indeed Sylar (he also noticed the thingie in the back of his head). He looked kinda confused, and it could be that he indeed suspects *something*, but I think he was just confused and also impressed Danko managed to take Sylar out.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 4th, 2009, 02:38 AM
I believe HRG doesn't know Sylar is still out there. He zipped up the body bag with MartinSylar in it, believing it was indeed Sylar (he also noticed the thingie in the back of his head). He looked kinda confused, and it could be that he indeed suspects *something*, but I think he was just confused and also impressed Danko managed to take Sylar out.

I'll have to watch it again. I could've sworn the look he gave was because there was nothing wrong with the back of his head.

s09119
April 4th, 2009, 09:03 AM
I'll have to watch it again. I could've sworn the look he gave was because there was nothing wrong with the back of his head.

Nah, Noah noticed that there was something jammed into the back of Sylar's head to keep him from regenerating.

Spimman
April 6th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Now we're starting to see how Syler became President but looked like Nathan Patrelli. The Hunter is helping Syler to rule the world.

Spimman
April 6th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Nah, Noah noticed that there was something jammed into the back of Sylar's head to keep him from regenerating.

Noah is smarter than that, never underestimate Noah!

jds1982
April 8th, 2009, 12:03 PM
Didn't really care for this episode. It was like, See Peter and his mom go to church! See Claire and Nathan go to the bar! See Sylar and Danko go clubbing! Wow, exciting. Since when has Sylar aquired the abilities of a profiler? He's never been shown to understand other people's motivations before, but now he's an expert on human nature.

wise one
April 8th, 2009, 01:38 PM
i want ando to super-charge peters ability with lots of other heroes around himso he can absorb all of them and hopefully mend his absorbing ability or lil matt parkman to 'touch and go' his power

then peter will be on top form

Shan Bruce Lee
April 8th, 2009, 01:48 PM
Didn't really care for this episode. It was like, See Peter and his mom go to church! See Claire and Nathan go to the bar! See Sylar and Danko go clubbing! Wow, exciting. Since when has Sylar aquired the abilities of a profiler? He's never been shown to understand other people's motivations before, but now he's an expert on human nature.

He figured out Luke pretty fast...

jds1982
April 9th, 2009, 09:50 AM
He figured out Luke pretty fast...

Luke was pretty obvious though.

Matt G
April 17th, 2009, 02:52 PM
1. Syler and Danko - I guess slime allies with slime!

2. Peter and Angela - worried about Peter going darkside.

3. Nathan and Claire - interesting dynamic they're setting up there.

4. HRG - Hell knows what he's thinking right now.

garhkal
January 12th, 2016, 12:57 AM
Is it just me or would the wholen religeous begging scene have been a super cool way for peter to get his powers back and then go kick some hunter ass before making a great escape :confused:

I was thinking that too, especially after he made that plea, and all the candles just all of a suddenly blew out right as the goon squad came in..



I thought Claire and Nathan story was a fun diversion. I am never entering a drinking contest against Claire. Through I have manage 31 shots in a row, but it was not a pretty site afterwards, and my mate manage beat me with 40 but he regretted it the next day, the rest of the weaklings gave out at 20 and 23.

I too liked that whole drinking scene, and it was fun seeing nathan get drunk under the table..


The Sylar was good but made the Hunter look like a amateur. I am wondering where Microwave kid gone to or is he brain goo.

IMO he did as sylar said.. Went home...



Enjoyed the shape shifter, but I so wanted him to beat them two.

Same here. Now with Sylar having that power himself, he is going to be just THAT much harder to beat..


oh and anyone get the impression Sylar would go after Molly as she could pin point any of the people with abilities?

It's possible, but maybe after his chat with dad, he feels going after her (since she is still what, a 10 yr old now) is beneath him.
BUT i do want to know where she has been since S1-2 when both Matt and Mohinder were 'raising her'..


nathan said denko couldnt get them in mexico, yet he could get hiro and ando in japan hows that make sense, if anything it would be harder to get someone out of japan, denko is also obviously an idiot so hes going to make the most dangerous person with abilities more powerful to get rid of other people with abilities and he cant't see how that might backfire

I could not understand that either, but maybe he feels if Sylar is on there team, getting everyone else, once sylar is the last, there is nothing for him to do, so he would just 'go away'..
And i also had to laugh at that comment by Nathan..


Indeed. Now you could actually imagine a future in which no one knows Sylar is alive. A future in which Nathan Petrelli becomes the president, and is later killed and replaced by shapeshifting Sylar. A future in which heroes would be split into two factions, with Sylar leading the nation and Peter as the leader of the rebels. If only the writers had thought of something cool like that!

IIRC wasn't that part of the intro of this season??


i want ando to super-charge peters ability with lots of other heroes around himso he can absorb all of them and hopefully mend his absorbing ability or lil matt parkman to 'touch and go' his power

then peter will be on top form

Maybe that is how they figure out peter will eventually get back to being on an even keel with Sylar..