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GateWorld
February 2nd, 2009, 06:23 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 315</FONT>
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Following an airplane crash, Claire puts herself on the line to try and help the surviving heroes escape. Ando and Daphne go in search of their friends, and Tracy must decide where her loyalties lie. Sylar torments a mother and son to make a talk, but finds an unexpected ally.

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Alan Wake
February 10th, 2009, 02:35 AM
Someone fill me in? was it a good episode?

Didn't have a chance to watch all of it, only parts.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 10th, 2009, 03:08 AM
I'm glad they're taking Hiro and Ando a little more seriously now and not just using them as comic relief.

When Hiro said he had to get his powers back you pretty much know it's gonna happen sometime soon. Maybe they'll have him and Peter both get their powers back.

Is it just me or did Noah look like a completely different character? Maybe it was the uniform.

I really hope they keep the quality of the last 2 episodes up for the rest of the volume. I can't remember the last time I anticipated the next episode this much.


Someone fill me in? was it a good episode?

Didn't have a chance to watch all of it, only parts.

Yeah, it was good. At least as good as last week's ep, if not better.

Spimman
February 10th, 2009, 07:04 AM
While I will always have my complaints, I like the way this season is headed so far. One thing is, I don't think it would be as easy as they make it out to be to catch these people with powers.

For instance, Tracy's power has the ability to make treated steel brittle enough to fall apart but she can't get through a soldiers body armor? Get me some of that stuff for when I'm skiiing.

Parkmen did last night, but has always been able to turn people into slaves. How can anyone protect against Parkmen. He could make any of those men become his own personal secret agent. If he could just get within distance of Nathan he could end this thing (too easy I know, not fun)

Speedster is obvious, is she dead for sure?

If Hiro\Peter ever gets their powers back and becomes smart like future Hiro and Peter they would be a tough pair for anyone to stop.

wwlh
February 10th, 2009, 07:23 AM
Speedster is obvious, is she dead for sure?


I think the Speedster herself ruled that out by what she told Ando - "You kill Hiro in the future, right? So he can't be dead..." In that vision..Ando and the Speedster were together when he killed him...so she can't be dead either..

Darren
February 10th, 2009, 08:16 AM
Yeah, that's future-logic is pretty spotty.

I like the "Fugitives" concept and the fact that they have slowed down the pace of plot development. But I'm really finding it harder and harder to care. It's tough to buy into Nathan's sudden change of heart. It's tough to enjoy Hiro without powers, and Ando with powers. It's even tough to like Peter these days.

I think that by the end of the first season, the writers realized that they had a fundamental problem with the characters of Peter and Sylar becoming too powerful, so they had to "reboot" them, weaken them, and finally make a fundamental change to the way that Peter's abilities work. I understand the necessity, but it makes that Season One journey for Peter feel pretty worthless.

The characters on the show have become a mile wide and an inch deep. The emotional resonance of episodes like "Company Man" is just gone. I say kill 'em all off and find a core of a half-dozen characters to focus on.

Spimman
February 10th, 2009, 09:34 AM
Yeah, that's future-logic is pretty spotty.

True. The reason we have seen some of the future is so it can be changed.

We saw Niki in the future and she is dead. (can't happen)

We also know Syler killed Nathan, took his form and became President. (could happen)

Parkmen and Clair worked for the government. (could happen, but seems unlikely)

I don't think we can use much from alternate timeline visits to assume things, because once one thing is changed it is all changed.

knowles2
February 10th, 2009, 11:54 AM
A mighty fine episode.
Nathan is going to fall so hard it gonna be funny.

I so hope that computer controlling kid was the one that phone clare. The goverment fine its accounts rather empty in future, as well as their computer systems crashing around them. I just want to see him action.
I thought peter comment about money was funny, last time I check Hiro sister is not short of a bob or two either is he.

Peter, Hiro, and the rest of the gang are togeather.

Sylar and microwave kid, well I hope the kid will not be to shock when sylar start cutting his brain open, through he did seem some what resistance to Sylar telekinesis, might make it interesting, may his microwave power can act a forcefield. Although I thought it interest that Sylar was able analyse the kid brain for afar, an enhancement of his abilities.
If I am right Peter and Sylar need to come in contact with each other, in theory once peter absorbs sylar ability, peter should to learn to us it the non cutting open brain way. How Hiro getting his abilities back, I got the catalyst in the last chapter originated from India.

I do want to know how parkman gained time seeing powers, it seem the African bloke is still in his head somehow and it is him that doing the seeign the future and painting thing and not Partman.

Shame a speedsters is dead, I liked her character.

I think Parkman need to pay a visit to the president and show him the errors of his ways.
Love how he single handidly took out those solders by using other solder, seriously these guys did not plan to actually face these people battle o rif they did they did not plan very well.

Bennet, he so keep trying to protect his family in all the wrong ways, he really thinks Clare going to be the stay at home/college kind of daughter. Through I am surprise she has the grades to be going to college given she hardly ever attends school.

I see his mother still one step ahead of him, anyone else think she going to be rebuilding the company behind his and the government backs.

flameling
February 10th, 2009, 12:43 PM
Good episode overall. I don't like whats Peters power has become. I feel sorry for Matt, I like where his story might be going. I liked Sylar's reaction to that kid. I hope Hiro gets his power back.

Arative
February 10th, 2009, 12:54 PM
I don't think Daphne is dead, they would have showed her really dying. But why did Matt and Mohinder leave her there?

I was truly hoping that the big bad guy would have put a bullet in Claire's head. I'm tired of her only lines being Dad, how could you! I just don't like her character.

I'm hoping now that the writers have reset Peter's character again, they make him smarter.

Not sure how I feel about Sylar's mini-me yet but I generally like any story line with Sylar because he is such a badass.

Corgano
February 10th, 2009, 02:04 PM
Not sure how I feel about Sylar's mini-me yet but I generally like any story line with Sylar because he is such a badass.

Sylar's mini-me! :D

The whole situation between Sylar and microwave boy reminded me at "X-MEN 2", the scene where Magneto talkes to Pyro and Pyro eventually follows him.

Coincidence? ;)

Replicator Todd
February 10th, 2009, 02:14 PM
I don't understnad how Sylar allowed the microwave boy to go with him, but this was a pretty good episode. Heroes is getting stronger and stronger!

entil2001
February 10th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Something funny happened after the off-screen plane crash. "Heroes" actually gained a sense of direction again.

I have to wonder if it has something to do with writer/consulting producer Mark Verheiden. Verheiden is perhaps best known for his solid contributions to early seasons of "Smallville" and, more recently, critically and fan acclaimed episodes of "Battlestar Galactica" (including the recent masterpiece, "The Oath").

What "Heroes" needed was a touch of the chaotic, the feeling that events are spiraling out of control and lives are changing forever. The premiere for this volume set the stage for the changes seen here, but little else. This is when the overwhelming nature of the circumstances starts to sink in for everyone involved, and that adds some much-needed tension.

As mentioned in the review for the previous episode, the main shift in the story is the nature of the organization hunting down the metahumans. It's not some private company with a vested interest in keeping things quiet, run by metahumans with a desire to prevent future reoccurrence of old mistakes. This is the federal government controlling a potential threat. Government is seldom known for its subtlety.

Nathan is already getting the hint that the soldiers assigned to this little roundup are led by a man without restraint. Daphne's death (and Claire's momentary imitation of Swiss cheese) should have been an indication of how bad it could get. Nathan and Noah can make all the demands they want; these soldiers are not going to hold back. It's already bad enough that I'm counting down the episodes until Nathan himself is forced to go on the run.

While someone had to die for the stakes to be raised, I'm a bit annoyed with the decision to kill Daphne. It's designed to push Matt into a darker direction. Daphne was already the victim of unfortunate storytelling during the third volume (where her conversion to "good" was the exact opposite of "show, donít tell"), so this is just the icing on the cake.

There are also lingering problems with the treatment of abilities. It's not at all clear how Matt could or would develop Isaac's ability on top of his own, and it feels more like the desire to hold onto a convenient plot device than a necessary element of the story. Hopefully this will be explained before much longer.

Peter's ability, on the other hand, has finally been adjusted into more manageable territory. It might be that this "one power at a time" limitation is a temporary state of affairs, but for now, it eliminates the problem of having a hero with too much power and control. The writers were always trying to find ways to hobble him so the plot could remain viable. (The same was also true for Hiro, but the removal of his ability resolved that problem.)

The bottom line is that the familiar characters are now facing a new kind of threat. They are faced with the choice of remaining out of the public eye and struggling for survival, or making the public aware of the civil rights violations taking place right under their nose. If Nathan is threatened by his own initiative, he would be the perfect (and ironic) choice to lead to a public unveiling of metahuman existence. Then again, it would be even more interesting if the metahumans were forced out of hiding by the emergence of an even greater threat.

Sylar's character gets a bit of indirect restoration in this episode. While his personal genealogy project is still a bit repetitive for its own good, his encounter with Luke and his mother is the highlight of the episode. It also flies in the face of the notion that he has an irrepressible hunger to kill. He even makes a snide comment to Luke about his supposed addiction! It's interesting that Sylar didn't just rip the information out of Luke's mind; it suggests he has some other purpose for him, based on his rebellious attitude.

Keeping Verheiden on the writing staff, especially once Bryan Fuller returns, would be a very good idea. It would be even better if they were given the reins for the fourth season, if the series makes it that far. What "Heroes" needs is to regain its edge and lose the repetition. This episode is a good step in the right direction, but there's still work to be done.

Iguana775
February 10th, 2009, 06:03 PM
They never really showed Daphine dead. just shot. I have a feeling she's still alive.

this volume has been damn good so far.

the fifth man
February 10th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Really good episode last night. Like a lot of you, I believe this Volume is off to a very strong start. I really hope the quality can stay this high. I really can't wait to see what happens next.

knowsfords
February 11th, 2009, 01:35 AM
I am hoping that Peter figures out how to hold on to multiple abilities. They went and tried to bring Peter/Sylar back down to the level of everyone else, then went "oh wait, Sylar needs his abilities back" and completely forgot about Peter.

Considering that they're supposed to be equals on opposite sides its kind of disappointing that Peter is so weak comparitively now :(

rosey_angel
February 11th, 2009, 03:49 AM
oh man this was a great ep :D

i especially loved the scene with the guys in the forrest all gearing up. it really up a level of anxiety to the series, how they cannot trust anyone, and basically have to run and hide.

i didn't even think of micha at the end of the ep, knowles2, but know you've said it i agree. and i really hope it is. i missed him last season :(

Cree
February 11th, 2009, 03:53 AM
Peter best get his powers back otherwise i will cry!
same goes for hiro, though i get a feeling he will only get teleporting back not time travel.

Nathan is a bit hard to believe at the moment as someone else stated. im starting to really like tracy this volume, though she will never be nikki :(

I too hope that the person on clares phone is micah, though would be great!

Sylar is just awsome though im not sure how i feel about this mini me thing, will have to see it out!

drake122
February 11th, 2009, 06:19 AM
Why is everyone crying for Peter's old power? The new one is perfectly fine and can emphasize teamwork between the heroes... It's great this way.

Corgano
February 11th, 2009, 08:03 AM
I too hope that the person on clares phone is micah, though would be great!



I don't believe it is Micah. The message she received sounded more like a message from an adult.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 11th, 2009, 08:09 AM
If I am right Peter and Sylar need to come in contact with each other, in theory once peter absorbs sylar ability, peter should to learn to us it the non cutting open brain way. How Hiro getting his abilities back, I got the catalyst in the last chapter originated from India.

That wouldn't surprise me.

knowles2
February 11th, 2009, 09:03 AM
I don't believe it is Micah. The message she received sounded more like a message from an adult.

A good and valid point, but then Micah was suppose to be child genius, so him using more adult language would not be surprising.
Plus it would make sense as his photo was in nathans file but I did not see him on the plane, why everyone else in the files was on the plane, I think anyway. Him and his cousin would make a good team in breaking out the other prisoners. Also he could easily hide the other heroes from the government surveilence network.

Plus I really really want to see him stand in front of our heroes and bring down a couple of raptors/F22s sent to attack them.

Madwelshboy
February 11th, 2009, 02:18 PM
I dont think Daphne is dead after all spoilers for episode 18 say that Peter and Matt have to rescue her, but even if she is dead it aint the last we'll see of her as Brea Grant has filmed a few other episodes

As for it being Micah, dont think that the case spoilers have been suggested that HRG is playing both side, so i think its him

Personally i quite like a weakened Peter, to strong "a good guy" makes things less interesting. I also prefer Hiro without his powers, but i agree he'll likely get some version them back at some point. I hope the search of Sylars father means something important, because im getting bored with the character for the most part.

knowles2
February 12th, 2009, 12:16 PM
Of cause HRG playing both sides, it what's he does best.

But he not stupid enough to be sending non encrypted text messages through mobile phone networks either. And I am pretty sure Rebel would be in the NSA dictionary of words that they would monitor all communications for, I sure that would of bought up an alert.

Plus seriously Nathan would be stupid not to monitor his daughter mobile phone, in case peter contacts her.
And HRG would almost certainly have more secure means of communicating with his daughter, his wife got to be expecting him home sometime.

Replicator Todd
February 13th, 2009, 08:19 AM
I love how "HRG" keeps seeming like the bad guy again and again but is just protecting his daughter. I liked how he didn't shoot Peter also, it shows he isn't his old self anymore.

LoneStar1836
February 14th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Ugh. Didn't like this episode. :S Though I don't really like this show anymore either. Once it veered of course, they can't and I don't think they will ever right it...which for me is sad because I really used to like this show.

The only think that still interests me somewhat is HRG, but not as much as he used to.

Though I am not opposed to what they have done to Peter. Being only to use one power at a time depending on who he comes into contact with creates an interesting dilemma and direction for him...otherwise he was too powerful.

Sylar gets a sidekick, eh? I wonder if that is because they didn't want to show/imply the killing of a child even though he was a teenager on the show. Have to wait and see where they go with this if I bother to watch next week.



The characters on the show have become a mile wide and an inch deep. The emotional resonance of episodes like "Company Man" is just gone. I say kill 'em all off and find a core of a half-dozen characters to focus on.I most definitely agree with this. I just don't care about the characters any more. Not a one of them. Though I don't think killing them all and starting over would be of any help to the show.

mr_kennedy
February 15th, 2009, 05:25 AM
i dont think daphne is dead, she only appeared to be shot in both arms and there was no blood splatter

good episode

stuff i like

sylar
ali larter's character being locked up, and never to be seen again? i hope so
nemises and ando
ando thats right i kill him :jack_new_anime06:
nathan almost narrating the entire episode to his mum
claires dad confusion
sylar's mimi me
hiro has a storyline now :D

stuff i didnt like

issac mende.... i mean matt parkman, how the frak did he acquire that power
nathan the bad guy :(
daphne was shot :(

i think when hiro gets his powers back he will go back in time and stop this from happening

Replicator Todd
February 15th, 2009, 10:17 AM
i think when hiro gets his powers back he will go back in time and stop this from happening

I really like that idea. Although Volume 4 wouldn't exsist it still would be cool.

Matt G
March 6th, 2009, 02:34 PM
1. Nathan is starting to remind me of the bad guy in The Rock - remember how the Sean Connery character described him?

2. HRG...why hang out with Nathan?

3. Scratch Daphne. Bummer.

4. Rebel = ...my first hunch said Peter. Micah's a possibility but wouldn't Nathan's crew plan for him?

Very strange.

garhkal
January 11th, 2016, 02:34 PM
While I will always have my complaints, I like the way this season is headed so far. One thing is, I don't think it would be as easy as they make it out to be to catch these people with powers.

Overwhelming #s seems to work in most any case.. But as we saw with Sylar, it is not a guarantee..


For instance, Tracy's power has the ability to make treated steel brittle enough to fall apart but she can't get through a soldiers body armor? Get me some of that stuff for when I'm skiiing.

We have also seen in other films/shows that someone with strong enough control over ice/cold, can overwhelm fire.. Like in X3.


Parkmen did last night, but has always been able to turn people into slaves. How can anyone protect against Parkmen. He could make any of those men become his own personal secret agent. If he could just get within distance of Nathan he could end this thing (too easy I know, not fun)

Also with his precog powers now, he should be able to predict when they would come for him etc.


Speedster is obvious, is she dead for sure?

Hope not. I like her.


If Hiro\Peter ever gets their powers back and becomes smart like future Hiro and Peter they would be a tough pair for anyone to stop.

I certainly hope they both do.. And kick the ever loving snot out of Nathan.


It's tough to buy into Nathan's sudden change of heart.

Sudden change of heart? Has he always NOT been that way? Was he not wiling to let NY blow up so he could become the president and hunt down his fellow Evos in S1?


I so hope that computer controlling kid was the one that phone clare. The goverment fine its accounts rather empty in future, as well as their computer systems crashing around them. I just want to see him action.
I thought peter comment about money was funny, last time I check Hiro sister is not short of a bob or two either is he.


I also hope its Mica sending that info.. Would keep a hero relevant since they have not really done squat with him this entire season.
As to the money, didn't the 'agency' say they have locked down all accounts etc? So that would (or should) make it hard for even Hiro to get dosh.


Sylar and microwave kid, well I hope the kid will not be to shock when sylar start cutting his brain open, through he did seem some what resistance to Sylar telekinesis, might make it interesting, may his microwave power can act a forcefield. Although I thought it interest that Sylar was able analyse the kid brain for afar, an enhancement of his abilities.


I also wonder if his character will survive.. Will his being very much like SYlar himself, give him a modicum of plot protection?


I do want to know how parkman gained time seeing powers, it seem the African bloke is still in his head somehow and it is him that doing the seeign the future and painting thing and not Partman.


Both Matt and Hiro seemed to gain it after eating that goop. BUT i wonder if its a permanent boost or just going to last as long as needed... ie for just this season..


Shame a speedsters is dead, I liked her character.


Same here.


Bennet, he so keep trying to protect his family in all the wrong ways, he really thinks Clare going to be the stay at home/college kind of daughter. Through I am surprise she has the grades to be going to college given she hardly ever attends school.


True. We have seen in many other shows, the stupidity that some parents go to, in their attempt to protect their family. SO it is understandable, but i LOVED Clair going off on him yet again. Here is hoping she never forgives him...


If Nathan is threatened by his own initiative, he would be the perfect (and ironic) choice to lead to a public unveiling of metahuman existence. Then again, it would be even more interesting if the metahumans were forced out of hiding by the emergence of an even greater threat.

At this rate, even if it was outsted to the public i doubt they would stop hunting down metas.. And if i was one of those metas and an 'even bigger threat showed up" such as that whole solar coronal mass ejection (Heroes reborn) i would be like "Why the F should we give a ship about protecting a planet who treats us as lower than animals"..


I don't believe it is Micah. The message she received sounded more like a message from an adult.

True... Also seemed like the messenger (Rebel) somehow knew the future..