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February 2nd, 2009, 06:22 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 314</FONT>
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As the heroes try to return to normal lives, Senator Nathan Petrelli moves to round them up with help from government forces. But Claire learns of his plans and tries to warn his next targets. Sylar begins the search for his real parents.

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Arative
February 2nd, 2009, 07:25 PM
A good start to Chapter 4. Was great to see Sylar kicking their butts and hopefully the other Heroes don't wimp out and get all preachy about using their abilities to defeat the bad guys like Sylar did.

I'll be disappointed though if this Chapter doesn't end with Peter killing Nathan. In fact I hope the Heroes head to the White House and slap around the President.

Can Peter only take one power at a time now? Was that the reason he was hanging on in the plane? Because he said earlier in the episode that he could fly.

the fifth man
February 2nd, 2009, 09:04 PM
I thought this was a nice start to this Volume too. A lot was going on, and it was quite action-packed. Next week's episode should be a great one too.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 2nd, 2009, 11:20 PM
It was a fantastic start to volume 4. The pace felt a little slow in the beginning but it was moving perfectly by the end.

I liked the Hiro/Ando stuff but I'm curious now weather Nathan's agency is working in Japan with or without their government knowing. They'll probably never touch on that though.

I guess Mohendar is gonna change his mind about Nathan now.


Can Peter only take one power at a time now? Was that the reason he was hanging on in the plane? Because he said earlier in the episode that he could fly.

I'll be completely honest, I have no idea what's going on with Peter's power. It was actually Nathan that said he saw him fly though. (I wasn't sure what he was talking about either) I'm guessing he lost all but his initial power so he has to re-absorb them all now... and if that's it, it might take a while to get used to them like it did in season 1.

mr_kennedy
February 3rd, 2009, 02:52 AM
great episode filled with action 7/10

things i liked

ando bike
conflict escilates between nathan & peter
sylar kicked the hunters ass
nod to the first season :)
peter kicked ass
nathan the bad guy

things i didnt like

the end bit with peter seemed abit stupid, cant he fly?
no john glover :(
ali larter's character wasnt killed :(
hiro is still powerless
parkman has 2 abilities now? wtf, only his too much of a moron to harness the 2nd one well actually both of them really


oh and how punisher like of hiro and ando :P

Madwelshboy
February 3rd, 2009, 04:26 AM
I enjoyed it. i thought it had good pacing compared to previoues seasons (wasnt to slow or to fast). The capture sence reminded my of x-men 2 (the attach on the mansion) The sences where they were being put on the plain did make me a little sick to my stomach, but tha just means its effective.

I think it's quite clear that Peter's "new/synthetic" ablity isn't quite the same as his original empathy. It seems that he can absorb one power at a time by touch, compared to spontaneous absorbption within someone's proximity. He had to touch Mohinder to get is strength and then as soon as he touch Tracy he lost the strength and gained her freesing ability. This would also explain why he couldnt fly.

Skydiver
February 3rd, 2009, 05:38 AM
this is getting very x-men in that you have hunted/huntees

it'll be refreshing to see them work together for once instead of all the separate storylines. those were tiring and hard to keep track of

what'll be interesting is if peter finally 'controls' nathan by outing him. hoist nathan by his own petard

retiredat44
February 3rd, 2009, 08:13 AM
Claire gets from the C130 wheel well to the inside.. wtf??

other than that, this episode rocked!

drake122
February 3rd, 2009, 08:41 AM
I like what they have done to Peter and his power. Overall I like the direction the show is going to now. I just hope they don't mess it up... again.

Jumper_One
February 3rd, 2009, 12:23 PM
nice start to volume 4 which hopefully will be more interesting than volume 3. some interesting developments, especially Matt's new ability and Nathan and Bennet working together. Claire' still the boring character she's become since s2 imo. Ando on the other hand's probably my favorite hero. Peter should've used his abilities at the end. I mean he can fly, right? anyway looking forward to next week's ep

Arative
February 3rd, 2009, 01:53 PM
Claire gets from the C130 wheel well to the inside.. wtf??

other than that, this episode rocked!

I was half hoping that when Claire was running toward the plane, she ran into the propeller and that was the end of her.

Replicator Todd
February 3rd, 2009, 02:17 PM
A great start to Volume Four! Its already looking to maybe be the best Volume so far. I'm also happy to see Sylar isn't dead, like he will be killed anytime soon anyways!

JayShadow
February 3rd, 2009, 02:20 PM
Peter should've used his abilities at the end. I mean he can fly, right?
No, he can't. Unfortunately they didn't explain that in the episode very well. They even took out an explanation of it before they filmed one of his scenes with Nathan. He can only hold onto one power at a time right now. The only time they really demonstrated that was when he accidentally touched Tracy he lost Suresh's super strength and hurt his hand punching a guard. Out of all the times I wish they were more subtle on the show, this is one of the few times they should have been less subtle. Since it wasn't very clear it kinda makes the ending ridiculous when he's holding on for his life.

mr_kennedy
February 3rd, 2009, 04:23 PM
I was half hoping that when Claire was running toward the plane, she ran into the propeller and that was the end of her.

i had the same thought :o shame it didnt happen :P


I enjoyed it. i thought it had good pacing compared to previoues seasons (wasnt to slow or to fast). The capture sence reminded my of x-men 2 (the attach on the mansion) The sences where they were being put on the plain did make me a little sick to my stomach, but tha just means its effective.

I think it's quite clear that Peter's "new/synthetic" ablity isn't quite the same as his original empathy. It seems that he can absorb one power at a time by touch, compared to spontaneous absorbption within someone's proximity. He had to touch Mohinder to get is strength and then as soon as he touch Tracy he lost the strength and gained her freesing ability. This would also explain why he couldnt fly.

i dont believe thats the case, i thought it was more the fact that peter was jumpstarting mohinders ability

and he only just acquired tracys ability hence why it randomly activated, and maybe he cant fly while at those speeds

nathan: just curious what abilities do you have now pete?

entil2001
February 3rd, 2009, 04:53 PM
Those anticipating the new writing staff regime at "Heroes" will need to wait a little longer. The outgoing writers were still in control of day-to-day operations through the next several episodes. Tim Kring didn't bring back Bryan Fuller in any meaningful capacity until more than halfway into this latest volume, so in effect, he was brought in to fix whatever mess is about to unfold.

Not much happens in this episode, which is surprising to say. One can see how the writers attempted to streamline the series and give it a more manageable scope. In essence, in the wake of the Pinehearst debacle, Nathan has turned on his own kind and created a special task force for rounding up the metahumans. It's essentially a federal version of the Company (looks like everything is being nationalized these days!).

As a plot device, this is all well and good, but I'm not sure that it makes sense in terms of Nathan's motivations. Is the idea that metahumans need to be controlled for the safety of the world such a new one? Isn't that precisely what the Company had been doing for decades? The only difference now is that the government knows all about them. Nathan may find himself regretting that choice.

This is all still going in familiar "X-Men" directions, especially now that it's clear that a plane crash will give the metahumans a chance to escape and become the titular fugitives of the volume title. This now promises to become a retread of the second season of "Prison Break" with superpowers. This might work if the writers had any interest in maintaining continuity, but we are still seeing bizarre power shifts and poor story logic.

Does it make any sense at all for Matt to inherit the ability to see visions, ala Isaac? It serves no purpose in this episode at all, and seems to happen to make that available to the writers in the future. Peter's ability, however, is a lot more confusing. Exactly what power did Peter get from that injection in the previous episode? Was it some variation on his father's power? Or was it his original ability? It would be nice to know why, if Peter was shown flying long so long ago, he was so worried about getting sucked out of the plane at the end. Wouldn't it be safer to be out of the plane before it hits the ground?

It also seems to defy logic that Nathan would send his hit squads to retrieve mostly metahumans he already knows from former exploits, including foreign countries, rather than target metahumans known by the Company in local circles. Exactly how did Nathan manage to justify operations in Japan to retrieve Ando? Did the United States government coordinate internationally? That has massive implications that are just plain ignored.

Meanwhile, Sylar is on a personal quest to find his true father. Is his survival after the previous episode's events addressed at all? Of course not. He's simply out there, hunting down a new parent to seek approval from, despite having more power than any other current metahuman known on the planet. As fun as it is to see Sylar tear apart Nathan's hit squad, the writers really need to give the character some stronger motivations.

This wasn't a horrible premiere, but it certainly seems to continue the mediocre trend that has been in effect for the season to date. Unfortunately, the show is facing stiff genre competition. "Battlestar Galactica" and "Lost" are once again proving themselves to be the best shows in the genre (if not across the board), and in comparison, "Heroes" is a mindless pretender. At this point, I have no confidence that Bryan Fuller will be able to right the ship. After all, Tim Kring himself wrote this episode, and it's certainly no better than what the outgoing writers managed to produce.

mr_kennedy
February 3rd, 2009, 05:40 PM
Those anticipating the new writing staff regime at "Heroes" will need to wait a little longer. The outgoing writers were still in control of day-to-day operations through the next several episodes. Tim Kring didn't bring back Bryan Fuller in any meaningful capacity until more than halfway into this latest volume, so in effect, he was brought in to fix whatever mess is about to unfold.

Not much happens in this episode, which is surprising to say. One can see how the writers attempted to streamline the series and give it a more manageable scope. In essence, in the wake of the Pinehearst debacle, Nathan has turned on his own kind and created a special task force for rounding up the metahumans. It's essentially a federal version of the Company (looks like everything is being nationalized these days!).

As a plot device, this is all well and good, but I'm not sure that it makes sense in terms of Nathan's motivations. Is the idea that metahumans need to be controlled for the safety of the world such a new one? Isn't that precisely what the Company had been doing for decades? The only difference now is that the government knows all about them. Nathan may find himself regretting that choice.

This is all still going in familiar "X-Men" directions, especially now that it's clear that a plane crash will give the metahumans a chance to escape and become the titular fugitives of the volume title. This now promises to become a retread of the second season of "Prison Break" with superpowers. This might work if the writers had any interest in maintaining continuity, but we are still seeing bizarre power shifts and poor story logic.

Does it make any sense at all for Matt to inherit the ability to see visions, ala Isaac? It serves no purpose in this episode at all, and seems to happen to make that available to the writers in the future. Peter's ability, however, is a lot more confusing. Exactly what power did Peter get from that injection in the previous episode? Was it some variation on his father's power? Or was it his original ability? It would be nice to know why, if Peter was shown flying long so long ago, he was so worried about getting sucked out of the plane at the end. Wouldn't it be safer to be out of the plane before it hits the ground?

It also seems to defy logic that Nathan would send his hit squads to retrieve mostly metahumans he already knows from former exploits, including foreign countries, rather than target metahumans known by the Company in local circles. Exactly how did Nathan manage to justify operations in Japan to retrieve Ando? Did the United States government coordinate internationally? That has massive implications that are just plain ignored.

Meanwhile, Sylar is on a personal quest to find his true father. Is his survival after the previous episode's events addressed at all? Of course not. He's simply out there, hunting down a new parent to seek approval from, despite having more power than any other current metahuman known on the planet. As fun as it is to see Sylar tear apart Nathan's hit squad, the writers really need to give the character some stronger motivations.

This wasn't a horrible premiere, but it certainly seems to continue the mediocre trend that has been in effect for the season to date. Unfortunately, the show is facing stiff genre competition. "Battlestar Galactica" and "Lost" are once again proving themselves to be the best shows in the genre (if not across the board), and in comparison, "Heroes" is a mindless pretender. At this point, I have no confidence that Bryan Fuller will be able to right the ship. After all, Tim Kring himself wrote this episode, and it's certainly no better than what the outgoing writers managed to produce.

yeh how the hell did he get of that island? walk off? or maybe it was sea turtles

Alan Wake
February 3rd, 2009, 11:14 PM
Hey... who's the person who died in this episode?

Clare didn't finish waking everyone up, and she left a few people still covered in the chair.

When peter blew a hole in the plane, someone still tied in the chair flew out the Plane.

I'm wondering who this person was? I'm guessing it would be very unlkely that they lived.

Madwelshboy
February 4th, 2009, 02:23 AM
i had the same thought :o shame it didnt happen :P



i dont believe thats the case, i thought it was more the fact that peter was jumpstarting mohinders ability

and he only just acquired tracys ability hence why it randomly activated, and maybe he cant fly while at those speeds

nathan: just curious what abilities do you have now pete?

But there had to be physical contact with both characters both he could ue their powers. And it was quite obvious that Peter lost the strenght after he touched Tracy but before he activated her power.

Wyrminarrd
February 4th, 2009, 03:38 AM
I wonder if itīs simply that getting a new power overwhelms Peters control and leaves him unable to use anything other then the newest power for a while?

Other option is that Peter simply didnīt want to leave the plane and thus tried to hang on since he knew he couldnīt fly as fast as they were going. Peter could have simply been distracted by getting a new power and thus lost the fight with that guard.

Peters empathy ability might be on the fritz due to him becoming more jaded about the world and unable to really relate to people and the only why for him to connect is through direct physical contact.

Though Iīll admit to being worried that the writers have decided to reduce Peters powers since I know that Tim Kring felt that Peter was to powerful in previous seasons.

mr_kennedy
February 4th, 2009, 04:21 AM
I wonder if itīs simply that getting a new power overwhelms Peters control and leaves him unable to use anything other then the newest power for a while?

Other option is that Peter simply didnīt want to leave the plane and thus tried to hang on since he knew he couldnīt fly as fast as they were going. Peter could have simply been distracted by getting a new power and thus lost the fight with that guard.

Peters empathy ability might be on the fritz due to him becoming more jaded about the world and unable to really relate to people and the only why for him to connect is through direct physical contact.

Though Iīll admit to being worried that the writers have decided to reduce Peters powers since I know that Tim Kring felt that Peter was to powerful in previous seasons.

this is sort of what i was thinking

paramedic peter: i should have been stronger


But there had to be physical contact with both characters both he could ue their powers. And it was quite obvious that Peter lost the strenght after he touched Tracy but before he activated her power.

but he didnt intend on obsorbing tracy's power did he? no he was just trying to free her, i dont even think he knew what power she had hence why he blew a whole open in the plane

Madwelshboy
February 4th, 2009, 04:31 AM
this is sort of what i was thinking

paramedic peter: i should have been stronger



but he didnt intend on obsorbing tracy's power did he? no he was just trying to free her, i dont even think he knew what power she had hence why he blew a whole open in the plane

i never said he intened to absorb her power. i said because he touched her, he absorbed her power. then when he went back into the fight he noticed he had lost the super-strenght. And because he didnt intend to absorb it suggest he has no conrtol when it comes to absorbing s person power when e touches them.

mr_kennedy
February 4th, 2009, 04:54 AM
i never said he intened to absorb her power. i said because he touched her, he absorbed her power. then when he went back into the fight he noticed he had lost the super-strenght. And because he didnt intend to absorb it suggest he has no conrtol when it comes to absorbing s person power when e touches them.

eh i bet its just like what Wyrminarrd said, his empathy is on the fritz and probably for 1 of 2 reasons

he hasnt shown alot of empathy towards others since he and nathan had the fight or
its just that its synthetic and he hasnt quite learned to garner its potential

i prefer the latter, in any case i acknowladge that your theory has merit aswell and is probably correct

LanDodger
February 4th, 2009, 01:22 PM
I watched this episode and liked it a lot but I hope they have not toally destroyed Peter's power, otherwise Sylar can kill whoever he wants and Peter will go back to being a down and out nobody who won't have any chance against the people after him...

I am hoping it is more like season 1, where he could not control his powers properly

and you look at Sylar, who managed to use empathy to gain a power but it depended greatly on his state of mind

I hope that is simply occuring to Peter now, maybe because of issues over his fathers death and losing/regaining his abilities and all the things that have happened to him

I hope Bennet isn't evil now either :(

JayShadow
February 4th, 2009, 02:01 PM
The problem they've always had with Peter is that he had to be incredibly stupid otherwise he'd win in every situation effortlessly and there'd be no show. The new power keeps the character limited enough to not look like an idiot while still having the same idea behind the ability.

Still, powers evolve on the show all the time. So he could mutate back to Sylar's level eventually. Right now Sylar isn't a threat though, so it's not an issue.

flameling
February 4th, 2009, 02:05 PM
I hope that it is that his powers crazy like back in season 1. I liked how Sylar beat all the agents though and I wonder who flew out of the plane. I like the Hunter though, seems pretty cool.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 4th, 2009, 02:49 PM
I hope that it is that his powers crazy like back in season 1. I liked how Sylar beat all the agents though and I wonder who flew out of the plane. I like the Hunter though, seems pretty cool.

I doubt it was a main character that flew out of the plain.

Replicator Todd
February 4th, 2009, 05:15 PM
I doubt it was a main character that flew out of the plain.

Either way it was funny! I couldn't stop laughing...

flameling
February 4th, 2009, 05:50 PM
Either way it was funny! I couldn't stop laughing...

And while I was laughing to my self I was thinking "poor fool, I wonder if we'll ever figure out who's death Peter (accidentaly) killed"

HorizonSurfer
February 4th, 2009, 09:42 PM
Yes, great start to this half, despite all the terrible continuity mess ups with Matt and Usutu. Looking forward to more!

Madwelshboy
February 5th, 2009, 02:06 AM
Yes, great start to this half, despite all the terrible continuity mess ups with Matt and Usutu. Looking forward to more!

Do explain.

flameling
February 5th, 2009, 02:10 PM
Another question, is that Usutu's ghost or a hullicination? Anyone now?

Jonzey
February 5th, 2009, 02:22 PM
So with Peter's new power, what happens if Peter touches Ando?

Ando supercharges Peter's ability borrowing, while Peter super-borrows Ando's ability? Or would he super-power Peter's absorbing ability and allow him to temporarily abosorb everyone's power?

mr_kennedy
February 5th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Another question, is that Usutu's ghost or a hullicination? Anyone now?

i prefer halucination something to do with the properties of that gunk parkman ate, it could also be a plot for hiro to get his powers back

Replicator Todd
February 5th, 2009, 04:53 PM
So with Peter's new power, what happens if Peter touches Ando?

Ando supercharges Peter's ability borrowing, while Peter super-borrows Ando's ability? Or would he super-power Peter's absorbing ability and allow him to temporarily abosorb everyone's power?

Never thought about that, i'm glad Ando is more useful now!

JayShadow
February 5th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Ando supercharges Peter's ability borrowing, while Peter super-borrows Ando's ability? Or would he super-power Peter's absorbing ability and allow him to temporarily abosorb everyone's power?Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. My first thought would be that it would let him grab multiple powers until he touched someone else. But then again he might just grab Ando's power which wouldn't really help him at all.

HorizonSurfer
February 6th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Do explain.If you watch when they're talking in Matt's apartment, every time the camera quickly shifts shot angles, Usutu's walking stick isn't in the same place. It switches from him holding it on his shoulders, to him leaning on it, back to him holding it on his shoulders, then back to him leaning on it, again and again. Not a big deal of course, just a mistake that happens.

Madwelshboy
February 6th, 2009, 02:41 AM
If you watch when they're talking in Matt's apartment, every time the camera quickly shifts shot angles, Usutu's walking stick isn't in the same place. It switches from him holding it on his shoulders, to him leaning on it, back to him holding it on his shoulders, then back to him leaning on it, again and again. Not a big deal of course, just a mistake that happens.

never noticed that. tho i bet you if you said that to the producers, they'd likely say it was a conscious choice because it was a hilusination.

JayShadow
February 6th, 2009, 10:35 AM
If you watch when they're talking in Matt's apartment, every time the camera quickly shifts shot angles, Usutu's walking stick isn't in the same place. It switches from him holding it on his shoulders, to him leaning on it, back to him holding it on his shoulders, then back to him leaning on it, again and again. Not a big deal of course, just a mistake that happens.

That was intentional. They were also switching the positions of Matt and Usutu a lot. It was to play up the dream quality of the scene. They talk about it in commentary.

Matt G
February 27th, 2009, 02:21 PM
1. Nathan and HRG are now bad guys! Ugh!

2. So given this warped set up I'm allowed to smile as Sylar blows Nathan's goons backsides off!

3. Hiro/Ando...might work. Also worried it's what will cause the future split.

4. Not sure what the deal with Matt is.

Very wierd (re)start

garhkal
January 11th, 2016, 02:17 PM
A good start to Chapter 4. Was great to see Sylar kicking their butts and hopefully the other Heroes don't wimp out and get all preachy about using their abilities to defeat the bad guys like Sylar did.

I'll be disappointed though if this Chapter doesn't end with Peter killing Nathan. In fact I hope the Heroes head to the White House and slap around the President.

Can Peter only take one power at a time now? Was that the reason he was hanging on in the plane? Because he said earlier in the episode that he could fly.

It does seem peter's regaining of his power of 'copying' after injecting himself last ep, only makes him able to hold one at a time. Much like the main 'hero' (Claires son in Heroes reborn) has that problem

As to why he couldn't hold on when he could fly, he lost that after he touched Suresh (Strength) then tracy (Freezing)..

And i DO agree, Nathan needs to die!



I liked the Hiro/Ando stuff but I'm curious now weather Nathan's agency is working in Japan with or without their government knowing. They'll probably never touch on that though.

Unlike say Marvel's Shield which does seem to be allowed to operate in other countries with their OK, it seems Nathan's agency is just OK in the US.. Which means not only are they operating without any constitutional reign ins, but in full violation of international treaties..
I wonder what the political ramifications of THAT would be if leaked??


this is getting very x-men in that you have hunted/huntees

It does seem like a classic storyline in Comic/tv show/films where once the govt knows 'super powered individuals are out there' all thoughts of Human rights/Constitutional protections just fly out of the window.


Claire gets from the C130 wheel well to the inside.. wtf??

other than that, this episode rocked!

All planes iirc have access from the wheel wells into the inner cabins through locked doors and hatches.


nice start to volume 4 which hopefully will be more interesting than volume 3. some interesting developments, especially Matt's new ability and Nathan and Bennet working together.

Note he only seems to show that new power, when he has visions of that African precog..



Not much happens in this episode, which is surprising to say. One can see how the writers attempted to streamline the series and give it a more manageable scope. In essence, in the wake of the Pinehearst debacle, Nathan has turned on his own kind and created a special task force for rounding up the metahumans. It's essentially a federal version of the Company (looks like everything is being nationalized these days!).

While yes its just an expansion there are several big differences..
1) the "Company" only tagged those who were NOT dangerous (such as Matt and that flying kid in S1), where they locked up those who were dangerous. This new agency has no compunctions against rounding up ANYONE and shooting those who they can't.
2) the company was not a government agency, so just broke the laws. The new agency IS a governmental agency, so not only are they breaking the laws, they are doing so with full governmental ok.. Which imo is worse. as those same governmental officials giving the ok, are breaking their Oaths of office to uphold the Constitution and laws of the land..


1. Nathan and HRG are now bad guys! Ugh!

IMO they have both been bad guys since S1. Let's look at it.
S1 Nathan is fully on board with "Moms" vision about NY blowing up, so Sylar and the other Evos can get tracked down and locked up "For the good of humanity", not considering he would be allowing a million or so deaths OF humanity to make that happen.. S1 Noah was working for the company and other than caring for his own family, he seemd to not give a flying rats behind about anyone else.