Enemy at the Gate Alt Ending Suggestion

[bungeeguy245]

Ok obviously beware spoilers for this EATG.

Watching the episode again today I felt the battle at the end of the of the series left a lot to be desired. BAMSR was a lot better. Before I get into my suggestion I have one question, what happened to the Daedalus? They got back into orbit with Atlantis and beamed down the team. Could they not have landed and then traveled back while docked at Atlantis? With Atlantis's shield up it would should not have made any difference.

Ok so my suggestion is this, the episode should have been played out on a bigger time scale. After learning the coordinates of Earth and the MW what if the super hive got some other Hive ships to join it before departing for our galaxy. Obviously this would take some time for the ships to arrive. That gives us time to get the Daedalus repaired and get the other 304's and Atlantis back to Earth. Get some Hatak's and maybe an Ori ship or two to join us versus oh say 15 Hives. Imagine a huge space battle with Atlantis and the super hive going 1 on 1 and I mean an actual battle. I am sorry with 3 zpms Atlantis should not be talking about having power troubles 2 minutes into the fight against a Hive with 1 ZPM. I think that atmosphere shearing thing was out of place. Then while those two ships are going at it we see all the other ships engaged around them.

One last question. Do you really think Atlantis would not have one or two nukes just in case? I am thinking the brass would have left them with a couple of bombs for unforseen circumstances. Then they could have just lobbed them through the wormhole in the original ending.

So what do you think about the alternate ending? Maybe would have been a good movie idea?

[sinfuldraconis]

I like it the way it was. I've always had faith in the writers, and they didn't let me down.

[Ba'al=Baller]

Get some Hatak's and maybe an Ori ship or two to join us versus oh say 15 Hives.

Amen to that. Immediately following Ark of Truth I was beginning to see the possibility of some sort of massive space battle. With Ha'taks and Ori ships at our disposal we Earthlings would be able to amass a respectable fleet. So, yeah I would definitely enjoy seeing a sort of galaxy vs. galaxy battle like you are pitching.

[O'Neill fan]

yeah I definitely think that a bigger battle would have been better. I don't know about jaffa and ori ships, but definitely more 304s. plus the wormhole drive was a stupid plot trick.

[BIG_GATE_HEAD]

I think that they had to kinda jam it into one episode due to it being canceled and every thing. I am right there with you on the hole not having enough power. I can only hope that the real reason was Beckett just did not know what he was doing. The other thing that just sucked was the fact the he was only shooting a couple of drones at a time. When jack did it there were thousands of drones. I think in the movie they need to have another super hive and let the city do its thing.

[jnolan]

I for one mostly liked the episode. The main problem I had was the wormhole drive. I would have liked to see someone mention it in a previous episode. The episode did kind of feel rushed. But that was most likely because if Atlantis would have went on another season it would have ended with the Hive ship showing up at earth.

[SG-18]

I like your ending, but if I remember correctly, the writers wrote the episode not knowing the show was going to be canceled? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, I don't think the other hive would've joined with any others just cuz the wraith who were on that ship probably wouldn't have wanted to share their spoils of war. But I could also see them teaming up to form super wraith fleet with the super-hive as the flagship to invade and conquer earth. Of course, once again not liking to share, they woulv'e killed each other after they beat us.

I thought the wormhole drive was stupid. I would've rather had a couple 304's, hat'aks and maybe a toilet ship fighting the wraith hives. That'd be cool fx right there.

I think your question though is right on. Where was the deady. Couldn't it have been landed? I think the writers missed this.

Which brings me to another random point. Don't the writers talk about all these things together. I mean, you have a group of writers, so wouldn't someone in the group be like "Oh, what about the Deadalus? Wouldn't it be there if atlantis was too? And the stupid wormhole drive...."

Okay, done rambling.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

I think Daedalus was just left in Pegasus to make it's own way back to Earth.

As far as how I think the whole ending should have gone, having one Hive was fine, I think it was too powerful, but it has been stated by a few on GW that all of the extra power from the ZPM caused the shield damaging effect of a regular Hive to sky rocket.

I would have preferred if Apollo and the Sun Tsu (which it would have been nice to find out a few more details about that newer ship BTW) had stayed in orbit of Earth using some decent tactics to cause some damage to the Hive alongside a whole mess of 302s and the Drone weapons platform (even if it was controlled from Area 51), as the Earth ships and fighters are about to fail Atlantis turns up and creams the Hive with a massive volley of Drones controlled by Sheppard.
That scientist Wraith and a queen could have fled through the on board Stargate to a random Milky Way planet (perhaps the message sent in Vegas could have contained a back up gate address) with a ZPM and a contingent of Wraith who could cause havoc in our galaxy in the Atlantis film.

As a final statement I'd like to say that Earth should have made some decent defenses, like cloak able ground based weapons, or satellites (which could have just been implemented in this episode under control of a new world military or something), it was said I think in No Man's Land that the Drone platform only had enough ammo to take out 2 Hives, which this Super Hive was obviously a lot more powerful than so the outpost wasn't ever going to be enough to take it out on it's own.

[Dark lord me]

WOOLSEY: Stargate Command, this is Atlantis. ... Stargate Command, this is Atlantis, do you read?

BANKS: Comm system is operating, sir. They're just not responding.

McKAY (looking at his console): OK, this is weird. I'm picking up an energy signature feeding back through the wormhole. It's Wraith.

WOOLSEY: The Wraith are at Stargate Command?!

McKAY: No. These readings are more like something you'd pick up in the middle of a Hive.

WOOLSEY: But we dialled Earth.

ZELENKA: You don't think that ...

McKAY: Standard Wraith procedure. Keep your victims from dialling out.

WOOLSEY: What are you talking about?

McKAY: There's a Gate on the Hive!

WOOLSEY: What?!

McKAY: The Wraith always try to block the Gate of a planet they're attacking, usually by dialling in. They couldn't do that in this case so they came up with another solution.

ZELENKA: You see, when two Gates are in proximity, one supersedes the other. Usually it's the default Gate – unless it happens to be a Milky Way model and the other one's from Pegasus.

McKAY: We encountered exactly the same problem on the Midway Station. We had to create a work-around to prevent the Pegasus Gate from always taking precedence.

WOOLSEY: You're telling me that wormhole ... (he turns and looks at the Gate) ...

McKAY: ... leads directly onto the Hive.

(Richard turns back and looks at him thoughtfully. Rodney's eyes widen.

WOOSLEY: Dr. go to the north pier and grab those nukes we have left.

McKAY: Are you thinking what i am thinking?

( Scene fades to show the hive ship with a 302 speeding towards it.)

BANG the have ship explodes

That would work

[Anubis10545]

Um... I doubt any of the Ori's former followers would have been eager to spring to the cause of a race that just kicked their ass. Especially in another galaxy against a race from yet another galaxy.

How EATG should have ended is... again... with a massive space battle over Earth. However, it should have consisted of the Sun Tzu, Apollo, Odyssey, Daedalus, Atlantis, and a "bunch" of puddle Jumpers and F-302s. Getting Ha'taks into the picture would just clutter things up and confuse things (although I'm not saying it wouldn't have been cool

The Apollo and Sun Tzu should have tried to fend off the Hive at a location before Earth (like they did), but... they should have quickly retreated when they saw how outmatched they were. Then... they could have had their whole fleet defend Earth at Earth.

After the Hive was destroyed and Atlantis was going through Earth's atmosphere to land, it should have been escorted by the 304s mentioned above. (Not that it would have been necessary, it would have been an INSANELY cool scene).

... About the Daedalus getting back to Earth: It should have landed on Atlantis. In the time it took them to get to Earth, the ship could have been sufficiently repaired to re-engage the Hive.

[berlin88]

All these suggestions are good, but it alters the story lines.

1. If the Deadalus stays with Atlantis, you have to factor them into the final battle.

2. If Area 51 has better defenses, the drone chair may survive and negate Sheppard's suicide mission.

Obviously America should have more than 1 Earth Based F-302 squadron and Russia should have one as well since they got the blue prints via a treaty in Reckoning Part 1 (SG-1 season 6).

3. Tsun Zhu and Apollo were sent away to fight and both ships were damaged to prevent them from returning. Hopefully the Chinese ship was reapairable, even if it was leaking atmosphere/ being evacuated.

4. Wormwhole drive made it possible for Atlantis to get to Earth in a timely manner.

5. Atlantis has power problems to justify the Uber hive and to make the Sheppard suicide run necessary. They wanted it to seem like it was a desperate situation. Working shields/ weapons makes that difficult.

6. Atlantis doesn't send a nuke through the gate because that would take out the hive ship and have a rather dull ending. Writiers thought having the team fighting on a hive is better than saying a nuke through the gate took it out.

7. Oddyssey off on a secret mission? To ensure no 304 is around to save the world, thus creating a 1-1 fight. Atlantis vs Hive.

8. We rushed the Russian 304 Korolev into battle early and it got blown up. I am sure Russia wasn't to pleased with that.

Anyways, why not rush the General Hammond into service?

9. Why didn't the hive cull anything? The hive destroyed part of Area 51 and took out the chair and Earth was defenseless. They had plenty of time, but they delayed. They could have culled a city or bombarbed the planet, yet they sat and waited for Atlantis to show up. Why did they hesitate?


All the plot holes were designed by the writers to try and create the type of ending they wanted. AKA Atlantis saves the day and Sheppard + team blows the hive to bits. Take out even one of these things and it changes the plot/ story all together. If anything, blame the compact story or poor layout for needing to use so many bad plot holes. Earth being defenseless and the Wraith not attacking or demanding surrender makes no sense.

[RepliVeggie]

I am sorry with 3 zpms Atlantis should not be talking about having power troubles 2 minutes into the fight against a Hive with 1 ZPM.

Rewatch episode. All 3 ZPMs were pretty much depleted just using the wormhole drive. They had to do this for the hive to be a threat to Earth with Atlantis there.

[Steelbox]

I also think that the last episode could have been a little longer, 45 minutes wasn't just enough for these kind of story, it felt a little rushed. Also, why not asking help for Teal'c? He would have send some ships. And TOMIN just ask Valla to ask for help surely he would help their liberators. The TPTB could have writen the Hive to wait for their other hives(non zpemed). That could have bought time to help to arrive from chulack or the ORI galaxy.

[rob-ward]

I think that a massive space battle would have being a bit too much, I kind of like the way that the episode went, however I think it was a bit rushed and should have being a 2 part episode with the removal of a filler episode from earlier in the season.

Also I didn't like the wormhole drive suddenly appearing, if it was mentioned before that would have being OK but that was slightly 2 much, they should have written it so that the hive took longer to get the earth so atlantis could have just used it's own hyperdrive to get there.

[Hermiod]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks that the trouble Atlantis had against the Superhive was a plot hole. Zelenka said that the wormhole drive used a massive amount of power, so maybe it nearly exhausted the ZPMs? I would appreciate that was wormhole drive was a stupid idea and having a massive energy requirement would restrict it to being used only when that amount of energy is available and even then it would probably be used in emergencies.