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January 10th, 2009, 10:46 PM
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Sayid is pressured by the Dharma Initiative to tell the truth about who he is and what he was doing in the jungle, putting the lives of the former Oceanic passengers in jeopardy.

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Amalthea
March 25th, 2009, 08:56 PM
That was an amazing episode. I love Lost!

To start with, I am glad we got a little more back story about Sayid and how he got arrested. It was pretty clear to me that he definitely did not want to go back to the Island, but like so many men before him, he got snookered by a beautiful woman.

Next, Kate and Juliet. They sure manipulated their conversation in last week's previews to make it look like they got into some kind of catfight! I cannot express how happy I am that it did not go down that way in the episode. I have to say, though, I am not impressed with Kate. I think they're trying to imply that she came back for Sawyer, but she slept with Jack the night before they got on the plane? Classy. Time to grow up.

Last, Sayid shot Ben! I was in shock. I didn't think it would work! I figure, the Island must save him somehow, which gives him that God complex and mandate to lead the Others. Poor Sayid created the Ben we know today. He's going to be rather upset when he figures that out.

Ok, thanks to time shifting it's going to be on again, so time to rewatch!

knowles2
March 26th, 2009, 04:29 AM
Very cool episode.
Syid shot ben, someone had to do it, and he did it good. Straight through the heart. It was cool how he took jin down.

Nothing else really happen in the, bit of a slow one. Glad we learnt how syid got to the island, ben hired a bounty hunter to drag him there. He deserve that bullet.
So no answer on where Faraday is :(
Thought the truth drug scene was good. Th chicken thing at the beginning showing him that he was always a killer, he got a brother now I do not think we knew that before.

PengYn
March 26th, 2009, 04:37 AM
Sawyer to Jack: No burning buses for three years, you're back for one day!

lol.

Great episode, and it's about time we had us some Sayid this season. He was very amusing in his drugged up state.

I'm also really glad we didn't get a Juliet/Kate cat fight. I honestly don't think it's in Juliet's character anyway and judging by her words to Sawyer, I think she'd actually step aside if that's what he wanted.

Sayid: How did you find me?
Ben: I looked.

Little Ben is just as creepy as his older self lol.

I'd already gleaned from a few spoilers that Sayid might go after little Ben. Still shocking to see him actually shoot him though. But given that "whatever happened, happened", I don't think it's fatal, but boy is Ben going to hold a grudge!

Shan Bruce Lee
March 26th, 2009, 04:53 AM
Sawyer to Jack: No burning buses for three years, you're back for one day!


I loved that line, and pretty much everything Hurley said int he episode. I wonder who's bright idea it was to make Hurley a cook...

It'll be interesting to see how little Ben survives.

Skydiver
March 26th, 2009, 05:27 AM
little ben will see his only friend shooting him as the ultimate betrayal and it will likely be what made him into the sociopath we know now. trust no one, care for no one, just use them to get what you need

Sp!der
March 26th, 2009, 12:47 PM
u think little ben thought of sayid as a friend? i dont think so. great episode so far. but i miss locke and daniel.

Amalthea
March 26th, 2009, 01:05 PM
I don't think Little Ben thought Said was his friend- I think he was just hoping that Richard had sent him to come get him. Or, at the very least, because he was dumb enough to get caught, that he could be used to get to the Others now rather than later.

I also don't think that the bounty hunter was hired by Ben. It's possible that Ben tipped off said bounty hunter though, in order to get him on the plane.

Hopefully next week explains how Hurley got on the plane. I bet that's a "Holy cow!" moment.

pie eater general
March 26th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Another great episode. Glad they filled out another of the 'back to the island' backstories. Now we just need to find out how Hurley got out of prison and onto the plane. Oh, and how Ben ended up with a broken arm and his face smashed in.

I could see the episode building up to Sayid shooting Ben (although I didn't expect him to actually pull the trigger), partially from Ben's knowing comments about how being a killer is a part of him. This all puts Sayid's interactions with 'Henry Gale' in a new light, I would say.

I can see an interesting plot line forming on the horizon too... the destruction of the Dharma Initiative must be just around the corner now (assuming for a moment that the timeline remains unchanged and that Sayid shooting Ben was SUPPOSED to happen). This makes me wonder not only how our heroes will escape (I suspect Sun's involvement), but also, and perhaps more more interestingly, how baby Ethan ends up with the Others, since I'm pretty sure everyone except Ben ends up dead.

entil2001
March 26th, 2009, 05:29 PM
Review: Lost 5.10: "He's Our You" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-10.html)

Overall, this episode returned to the original format of the series with the requisite fifth season twist, focusing on a character whose actions in the future informed his psychological state in the past. As complex as that sounds, the story was actually quite straightforward. The writers have continued to deliver with yet another strong entry for the season!

majorsal
March 26th, 2009, 05:58 PM
this show just continues to impress me with it's writing. i think out of all these years, i have yet to see a poorly written ep. ;)

but that ending... wow. like others have said, we could see sayid coming to the conclussion of killing ben... but we also saw him show compassion towards ben when his father was abusive towards him (and prob let sayid see part of why ben turned out the way he did)... but to see sayid murder a child was very shocking. and i loved sayid's reaction to it. yeah, just another wonderful entry of great writing, directing, and acting.

knowles2
March 26th, 2009, 06:07 PM
this show just continues to impress me with it's writing. i think out of all these years, i have yet to see a poorly written ep. ;)

but that ending... wow. like others have said, we could see sayid coming to the conclussion of killing ben... but we also saw him show compassion towards ben when his father was abusive towards him (and prob let sayid see part of why ben turned out the way he did)... but to see sayid murder a child was very shocking. and i loved sayid's reaction to it. yeah, just another wonderful entry of great writing, directing, and acting.

Agree to this. Lost from memory have may be one or two substandard episode in season 3, by that sub by lost standard, when compared to other programs they were alright. Even those two episodes were produce before the writers demanded a end date for the series and a contract for the rest of the series.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
March 26th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I think Horace states a few seasons back he was dead for 12 years as of 2004, meaning the purge is still 15 years away, not exactly right around the corner. Obviously the island will keep Ben alive and it doesnt seem there is much else to speculate.

For the first time in the show I was afraid for Sayid, "Hes our you" has got to be one of the creepiest lines yet.

majorsal
March 26th, 2009, 06:45 PM
does anyone think sayid has broken the timeline? i mean, that he's thrown everything out and now no one will *know* what's going to happen? what if ben stays dead? maybe nothing will play out the way it was supposed to be...

knowles2
March 26th, 2009, 07:22 PM
does anyone think sayid has broken the timeline? i mean, that he's thrown everything out and now no one will *know* what's going to happen? what if ben stays dead? maybe nothing will play out the way it was supposed to be...

That would be one hell of story twist. But nah he going to rise from the grave get his revenge Syid eventually, and then someone will get his or her revenge on ben.

Then again this could happen and this is what convince Faraday that he can save his girlfriend.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 26th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I think Horace states a few seasons back he was dead for 12 years as of 2004, meaning the purge is still 15 years away, not exactly right around the corner. Obviously the island will keep Ben alive and it doesnt seem there is much else to speculate.

For the first time in the show I was afraid for Sayid, "Hes our you" has got to be one of the creepiest lines yet.

Yeah, Ben was grown up when the purge happened. I can't imagine the "Dharma 8" being stuck in the past that long.

Alan Wake
March 26th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Remember guys, Locke was shot and left for dead... but the island kept him alive i believe. Just because ben was shot, doesn't mean he's dead... I believe the island will still keep him alive. Having him be killed... that would mess up the future way to much.

Edit- also remember that time travel works differently on lost. Now that young ben was shot in the past, he should just now be getting that memory in the future... if he's still alive.

Also all the events that have been happening in this episode have probably been feeding into the Present ( 2009 ) ben's mind.

Boy, him and sayid are gonna have alot to talk about if they meet up again.


but also, and perhaps more more interestingly, how baby Ethan ends up with the Others, since I'm pretty sure everyone except Ben ends up dead.

If you guys are correct on the timeline, the purge isn't set to happen for 15 years... which would make ethan a teen... I'm not sure what happens between now and then... but maybe the other kidnap ethan? if they do... I'm betting it will happen soon. Remember, that others like taking children for some reason. Maybe Ethan is one of the first they take.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 26th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Edit- also remember that time travel works differently on lost. Now that young ben was shot in the past, he should just now be getting that memory in the future... if he's still alive.

I think you're confused. The way time travel works on LOST means that since we've seen young Ben being shot now we know that he's known about it and remembered it all along. But since Sayid is just now having all this stuff happen to him he didn't know about it.

JayShadow
March 26th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Hopefully next week explains how Hurley got on the plane. I bet that's a "Holy cow!" moment.Next week should probably explain why Kate got on the plane. But I'm sure we'll cover Hurley eventually.

AnUbIs2004
March 27th, 2009, 07:17 AM
I think you're confused. The way time travel works on LOST means that since we've seen young Ben being shot now we know that he's known about it and remembered it all along. But since Sayid is just now having all this stuff happen to him he didn't know about it.

Very good point. In a sense we are watching the flashbacks, but just not as flashbacks. I like this, the "current" setting of Lost IS the flashback.

Also, read below for a spoiler regarding Ben, if interested:
In an interview, the young actor who plays Ben states he will be in 2 more episodes, so obviously he does not die. Also, he says that Sayid shooting him is not exactly the event that turns him into evil Ben...

And one last little bit about the statue; spoiler alert for upcoming ep:

It is said we will soon see the statue....from the FRONT!

dsigal
March 27th, 2009, 08:59 AM
I think you're confused. The way time travel works on LOST means that since we've seen young Ben being shot now we know that he's known about it and remembered it all along. But since Sayid is just now having all this stuff happen to him he didn't know about it.

I agree with this totally. You have to think of the mantra for this season "what happened happened" as in, it doesn't matter what you do, because whatever it is, that's what always had happened. It fits right in with the show's theme of destiny v. free choice. One example of this is Sawyer saving Amy from the Others. If he hadn't, she would have died and Ethan would have never been born. Yet we know he was, so Sawyer must have always saved Ethan.

The one exception to this is Desmond. For whatever reason, he's "special"

LOVE THIS SHOW

knowles2
March 27th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Very good point. In a sense we are watching the flashbacks, but just not as flashbacks. I like this, the "current" setting of Lost IS the flashback.

Also, read below for a spoiler regarding Ben, if interested:
In an interview, the young actor who plays Ben states he will be in 2 more episodes, so obviously he does not die. Also, he says that Sayid shooting him is not exactly the event that turns him into evil Ben...

And one last little bit about the statue; spoiler alert for upcoming ep:

It is said we will soon see the statue....from the FRONT!
that going to be great.
comment in spoilers in case is spoils, do not want to get told off.
I never thought Syid was going to be sole reason for him turning evil, that would of been to simple for the lost writers, his girlfriend and daddy going to both play big roles in that process.
Ben sending Syid on those missions to eliminate people I think was a way of ben getting revenge of Syid, then Syid actually eleminating anyone who was a threat to his friends. The revenge will be sweet when ben reveals all to Syid.
Sawyer may be the king of the long con, ben is the king of long term planning and revenging people.
As to the statue I got the feeling it will be someone we know, either Claire or Richard is my guest. From the behind shot is always had the look of Claire for me.

Stefan8
March 27th, 2009, 12:03 PM
I am a huge fan of Lost and I have to say this episode wasn't as good as the rest of the season (Sayids story was quite boring), but I guess we're just spoiled. There are so many stories being told in just one show, not every episode can appeal to everyone.

The scene with Oldham was very funny and the ending... well... it reminded me of Two for the Road; the whole episode builts to the moment in the final minutes. This must have huge impact on the rest of the story. Sayid might have triggered a whole series of events and Ben might become what he is now (and what Sayid hates about him) because of Sayid!

I can't wait for next week :)

Alan Wake
March 27th, 2009, 01:29 PM
I think you're confused. The way time travel works on LOST means that since we've seen young Ben being shot now we know that he's known about it and remembered it all along. But since Sayid is just now having all this stuff happen to him he didn't know about it.

You're saying Ben has known who sayid was since the first season of lost? It would be pretty hard to forget the face of someone who shot you, so all the run ins throughout the show, even the torturing in season 2, Ben didn't mention sayid having shot him 30 years before.

You have to go read up on how some of this stuff works on lost, it even confuses me.

when they change events in the timeline ( like meeting someone in the past ) they won't have that memory of the encounter until present time.

How do you explain why ethan didn't recognize locke when he time jumped and met up with him in the past? Years later when they meet up again, he should have known who he was, but it didn't happen like that. Or Rousseau didn't mention Jin in the early seasons.

Widmore remembered locke because the memory cought up to him, this is also how Faraday got the messge to Desmond in the future. If ethan or Rousseau were still alive, they would be getting the memories of what happened in the past, but they're now dead so they can't.

So when Sayid shot little ben, the adult version of him ( who we last saw in the last episode ) should now just be getting this memory of being shot, he didn't know all along about it.

I like to think of it has " course correction " so the timeline doesn't spin out of control.

I could be wrong, but this is how many people assume the timeline works on lost, since many things would not add up if the characters they are changing in the past knew about these events all along.

Stefan8
March 27th, 2009, 02:13 PM
You're saying Ben has known who sayid was since the first season of lost? It would be pretty hard to forget the face of someone who shot you, so all the run ins throughout the show, even the torturing in season 2, Ben didn't mention sayid having shot him 30 years before.
I think Ben díd recognise Sayid way back in season 2 (I'm not saying the writers made this up three years ago, but it could make sense). Ben said Sayid was a born killer; he said that because he was shot by him as a kid.

Desmond is the exception. He suddenly remembered something, because it DIDN'T happen before. Faraday actually changed the past. This doesn't work for Ben, Ben has always been shot.

I could be wrong though, but I'm sticking to Faraday's "whatever happened, happened" theory. Next weeks episode isn't called that for nothing.

dsigal
March 27th, 2009, 02:34 PM
I'm with ya completely Stefan. What Happened Happened! And here's the biggest proof...

Locke told Richard when he was born and to go to the United States to check it out. If Richard had no memory of that interaction until the time it happened in the present why/how would he have gone to the United States and been present at Locke's birth and then go to visit him later as a young child. What happened happened, there's no other way to explain it.

Sawyer saving Amy and allowing Ethan to be born is more proof. If that never happened until Sawyer did it the first time, then how could have Ethan been around before that. Sawyer must have always saved Amy.

I think we're gonna see more of this as the season progresses and we learn the Losties were instrumental in history of the island/dharma that we were already aware of (possibly the incident and the swan)

I also think all of the encounters can be easily explained. Ben probably does remember Sayid, which puts a great twist on their relationship and explains Ben calling him a killer at heart. Ethan only saw Locke for a moment at most and even if he did recognize him later, he was undercover during all their interactions so there was no way for him to say anything. Danielle didn't spend much time with Jin (in the present or the past) plus the time she did spend with him some nutty stuff was happening and it was seventeen years ago and she nuts by the time the Losties got there.

Stefan8
March 27th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Exactly. Those examples are very solid proof for Faraday's (where the hell is that guy) theory.

Whenever Desmond makes his return, all time-travel related stuff will get very interesting. And very complicated. Desmond might be the (/a) exception, but there must be some rules. Otherwise there'll be some serious paradoxes. But maybe that is where course correction comes in.

Alan Wake
March 27th, 2009, 03:06 PM
I need to go back to the first season and watch when they first meet each other... maybe there is a reaction on Ben's face. The writers are really good about having a plan for this show. Might be worth a look.

Darren
March 27th, 2009, 03:39 PM
I'd rather watch a dull hour of LOST than a great hour of just about anything else on right now ... but this episode was pretty dull.

Like last week's "Namaste," "He's Our You" spent most of its time merely filling in the puzzle pieces that we already knew about. We knew Sayid had a falling out with Ben and stopping being his assassin. We know he went and worked construction. We know he was apprehended after the dockside meeting by what's-her-name, who was probably hired by Ben, and brought to Ajira 316 for extradition to Guam. Showing us all these scenes fill out the picture, but don't tell us anything new.

We also know that Ben survives. The theory of time travel being used by LOST was spoken by Faraday: You couldn't change the past even if you wanted to. Only Desmond is a wild card ("the rules don't apply to you").

And so the only parts of the episode that are really interesting, that tell us anything new about the story, are with Sayid on the island in 1977. His encounter with Roger, his torture and confession to the guy from Blade Runner, and his escape -- all great stuff.

Stefan8
March 27th, 2009, 04:11 PM
I need to go back to the first season and watch when they first meet each other... maybe there is a reaction on Ben's face. The writers are really good about having a plan for this show. Might be worth a look.
I wouldn't count on it, but if you want to check it anyway: the episode they first meet in is One of Them (2x14).

knowles2
March 27th, 2009, 05:04 PM
I'd rather watch a dull hour of LOST than a great hour of just about anything else on right now ... but this episode was pretty dull.

Like last week's "Namaste," "He's Our You" spent most of its time merely filling in the puzzle pieces that we already knew about. We knew Sayid had a falling out with Ben and stopping being his assassin. We know he went and worked construction. We know he was apprehended after the dockside meeting by what's-her-name, who was probably hired by Ben, and brought to Ajira 316 for extradition to Guam. Showing us all these scenes fill out the picture, but don't tell us anything new.

We also know that Ben survives. The theory of time travel being used by LOST was spoken by Faraday: You couldn't change the past even if you wanted to. Only Desmond is a wild card ("the rules don't apply to you").

And so the only parts of the episode that are really interesting, that tell us anything new about the story, are with Sayid on the island in 1977. His encounter with Roger, his torture and confession to the guy from Blade Runner, and his escape -- all great stuff.

It true it was filler, but in that it filled in all the gaps of the back stories. I think it becoming obvious that they want to get everyone back together and in the right time zone whiles leaving as few questions as possible for the fans, while clearing up at least few of the mysteries created in the last 4 and half. I think this is so they then spend season 6 venturing forward and giving every character a ending as well as clearing up what ever questions that have not been answered. Which is a wise strategy and hopefully we wot end up with the disaster that was BSG ending.

PengYn
March 28th, 2009, 03:40 PM
You're saying Ben has known who sayid was since the first season of lost? It would be pretty hard to forget the face of someone who shot you, so all the run ins throughout the show, even the torturing in season 2, Ben didn't mention sayid having shot him 30 years before.

I'm with everyone else on the 'it's already happened because it was meant to happen'. Further evidence is the photograph that Christian Sheppard showed Sun and Lapidus. They were all there in a picture taken in the 70's. Regarding Ben - he already knew that Sayid was on Oceanic 815 as he would have seen the passenger manifest, so he had absolutely no reason to appear surprised when he encounters him in season 2. I don't think Ben has forgotten anything, or anyone. And he seems to have made a point of recruiting Sayid and reminding him of the fact that he's a killer so that he goes back to the island full of rage and fight. But essentially yes, the theme has definitely been labelled "whatever happened, happened" and that means that Ben's younger self was always meant to be shot.

the fifth man
March 28th, 2009, 07:04 PM
The end of this episode still shocks me a little. I just didn't think Sayid would would really do it. I can't wait to see how "little" Ben survives that gunshot.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
March 28th, 2009, 10:49 PM
Desmond is special, for some reason he can recieve new memories and possibly change things...maybe im wrong about changing but thats why Daniel Faraday went to the hatch and said he was the only one who could help them in the past.

Brian T
March 29th, 2009, 02:39 PM
Is everyone forgetting Ben brought Sayid a book to read, whats the chances that he brought another one on his journey to help Sayid escape, any guesses where Ben kept the book???

Amalthea
March 29th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Is everyone forgetting Ben brought Sayid a book to read, whats the chances that he brought another one on his journey to help Sayid escape, any guesses where Ben kept the book???

I think that'd be a little too cheesy. It's much more likely that that the Island or Jack or a combination of both will save him.

raduzhok
April 12th, 2009, 09:33 AM
I think this episode was wonderful. This whole part of the season has been amazing.