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When three of his lost friends show up in 1977, Sawyer tries to slip them into Dharma as new recruits. But matters are complicated when Sayid is caught in the jungle.

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PengYn
March 19th, 2009, 05:02 AM
First thing I thought of -

Sawyer: what the hell did you have us breaking all those rocks for anyway?
Juliet: we were building a runway.

Runway!

I seriously love this show. My brain just has to exercise so much!

knowles2
March 19th, 2009, 05:57 AM
Haha that what I thought.

This is really linking up all the dots in the show and explaining a lot of the questions, through they should of made the runway longer, you just do not get quality with slave labour.

As for Sawyer/lafour someone needs to wipe that smugness of his face, I bet it happen when he sees Jack and Juliet together in bed.

So ben got double cross by sun that got to be embarrassing for the bloke, it usually him doing the double crossing, a nice change.
Christian Shephard is taking a more proactive approach wonder how that going to turn out for the gang. I also thought it was pretty funny when he was holding the picture fame, he could of helped Lock if he wanted to but I guest he decided to let John learn that there no gain without some serious pain.

Sun got a long journey is interesting I wonder what she got to do to bring back her husband back to the right time zone, I am guesting it not going to be easy.
It nice to see the looking glass being planned, wonder if we going to see it built.
Ben is scary bloke and even scarier as a kid. perfect.
The ethan things was not much of a surprise most of us guest it, wonder how he going to end up with the others, I bet he the last child born before Aaron was born.

PengYn
March 19th, 2009, 06:14 AM
As for Sawyer/lafour someone needs to wipe that smugness of his face, I bet it happen when he sees Jack and Juliet together in bed.

Sorry but have to disagree with you there. Sawyer has every right to tell Jack to hold his horses. Jack makes bad decisions, he doesn't listen to anybody else, and it's his way or the highway. He was all ready to take charge and tell people what to do without even asking what had happened over the course of three years. He's still the same arrogant man he was when he left. IMHO, this is Sawyer's time to lead. And although I do believe (given how the writers love them so) that this little love quadrangle will certainly cause hurt, I *highly* doubt Juliet will go hop, skipping, and jumping over to Jack's bed. For one thing, she knew Jack for - what - a month at best? And even though she was attracted to Jack, she's now known Sawyer for 3 years. Fell in love with him somewhere along the way, and you can *see* how in love she is with Sawyer, how settled she is, and how rattled she is when she sees that Kate is back. I'm inclined to think that the former triangle of Jack-Kate-Sawyer has actually shifted into a Juliet-Sawyer-Kate triangle. And Jack'll just be left wondering what the heck happened.

KatG
March 19th, 2009, 06:43 AM
I agree. This is Sawyer's game, Sawyer's time to lead. I love that he stepped up to the plate and took care of everybody for the last three years.

In contrast, what has Jack done for the past three years?

He says he got them off the island, but did he really? The 6 that survived wouldn't have if Sawyer hadn't jumped out of the helicopter to lighten the load.

Once off the island, he proceed to lie and convince the others to lie, based on a "feeling", then goes and gets addicted to painkillers, loses his job, and proceeds to try and convince the others to go back.

All of this, is based on emotions. Like Sawyer says, he doesn't think things through, he just jumps in, and he's dangerous.

As for Kate/Sawyer/Juliet - I think things are going to get very interesting at Dharma.

jenks
March 19th, 2009, 07:00 AM
I don't have the words to describe how good Lost is.

/gush

retiredat44
March 19th, 2009, 07:40 AM
{mod snip}.

Guessing, even while reading spolier blogs even enhances the show more, because it gets your brain thinking of the possiblities... lots of the characters are lost in different time/space. Christain is back... and I thought I saw the smoke monster just outside that little house he was in at the end of the show..

that's freaky stuff... go to mor eof the LOST spolier websites, there is not really much of anything given away, but the hypothesis and interviews are great! ;)

Amalthea
March 19th, 2009, 09:58 AM
I love Lost! I love Lost! I love Lost! I love Lost! I love Lost! I love Lost!

Ok, moving on... awesome ep. It was so pre-destination paradox, I loved it!

The whole romance thing- Juliet doesn't like Jack anymore. She may think he's cute, but even she knew he always wanted Kate after that kiss thing and she was all "He didn't mean it for me." She's been with Sawyer for 3-ish years, it's a real, grown up relationship. Sawyer has some Kate things to work out, and Kate has some Sawyer things, but Kate really should be grown up enough to behave.

Sayid meeting little Ben was just wild! I think Sayid is definitely thinking about killing the little guy, but that would mess the future up, so he will fail.

Sun is definitely in for a wild ride. She has some kind of mission to do, that is for sure. I might be bringing them all back, but it could also be her going there with something important.

Much craziness- I love it! :) Looking forward to next week!

Shan Bruce Lee
March 19th, 2009, 10:05 AM
Even with everything that happened in this episode, one of my favorite parts was Jack talking to Dr. Chang/Candle. I don't know why I liked it so much, I just did.

Also noticed they seemed to skip over Sawyer's little comment about Faraday...

I keep trying to think of reasons why Sun wasn't sent back with the rest of them but I got nothing.

So Ben remembers Sayid this whole time and never says anything... and speaking of Ben "And how did that work out for you?" He gets some of the best lines.

PengYn
March 19th, 2009, 10:44 AM
The whole romance thing- Juliet doesn't like Jack anymore. She may think he's cute, but even she knew he always wanted Kate after that kiss thing and she was all "He didn't mean it for me." She's been with Sawyer for 3-ish years, it's a real, grown up relationship. Sawyer has some Kate things to work out, and Kate has some Sawyer things, but Kate really should be grown up enough to behave.

Agreed. On the bolded part - I just don't think Kate knows how to grow up, and that worries me more than anything else about the romances.


Sayid meeting little Ben was just wild! I think Sayid is definitely thinking about killing the little guy, but that would mess the future up, so he will fail.

Me too. He'll definitely try, I think. I just don't think he'll be successful.



Even with everything that happened in this episode, one of my favorite parts was Jack talking to Dr. Chang/Candle. I don't know why I liked it so much, I just did.

Funniest moment was when he says "Based on your aptitude test you'll be given a janitorial position." Jack's face!


So Ben remembers Sayid this whole time and never says anything... and speaking of Ben "And how did that work out for you?" He gets some of the best lines.

Kind of makes Sayid's and "Henry Gale's" - uh - first meeting in season 2 that much more interesting. Given that Sayid was Ben's torturer. I liked the role reversal too. Sayid as an "other", and little Ben being on the other side of the cage.

entil2001
March 19th, 2009, 05:17 PM
Review: Lost 5.9: "Namaste" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-9.html)

Overall, this episode was all about setting up the status quo for the second half of the season, finishing what the previous episode started. That doesn't mean that there weren't great character moments, because that's what this show has always been about. But this is a more plot-driven episode, and for some, that will be a drawback.

MmmmMcKAy
March 19th, 2009, 06:34 PM
I totally agree with the idea that it's Sawyer's time to lead. He's really come into his own and become proactive instead of just lounging around like he did in the good old days. He's become a team player and is showing a lot of concern for others. I really like Sawyer this season (and season 4).

SoulReaver
March 19th, 2009, 07:02 PM
This is really linking up all the dots in the show and explaining a lot of the questionsaye but also adding more dots :/

ok someone help me here 'cause I'm lost in space time :
2 eps back when John was killed & teleported back to the island & saw an unconscious Ben : what timeline was it then ? it couldn't be the "present" because as we saw in the last ep, Ben is up & well (leaving aside that knock on the head Sun gave him)
so was it an alternate present timeline ? http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/images/perso/skylight.gif



anyway it's nice to see Jin being able to talk to the others normally whilst still being the old Jin
and "Theflower" becoming a bit more cerebral - though it is somewhat out of character (I'm gonna miss the bloke who couldn't measure up to a bunch of bears -)

Jack the Janitor. rofl

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
March 19th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Waaaaait a minute, i dont recall Juliette saying they were breaking rocks to build a runway....ya mean back in season 3 when the others had Kate and Sawyer working for them, they were building the runway that 316 just landed on??

Amalthea
March 19th, 2009, 09:59 PM
aye but also adding more dots :/

ok someone help me here 'cause I'm lost in space time :
2 eps back when John was killed & teleported back to the island & saw an unconscious Ben : what timeline was it then ? it couldn't be the "present" because as we saw in the last ep, Ben is up & well (leaving aside that knock on the head Sun gave him)
so was it an alternate present timeline ?

No, it's the same timeline, they just filled us in on what happened in between the crash and John seeing Ben and saying "That's the man that killed me." Basically, Ben was ok after the crash, took off into the jungle, Sun followed, smashed his head, took him back to the crash site, proclaimed Ben hurt, and then took off with Frank and met Christian.


Waaaaait a minute, i dont recall Juliette saying they were breaking rocks to build a runway....ya mean back in season 3 when the others had Kate and Sawyer working for them, they were building the runway that 316 just landed on??

I think that's what the poster is saying, yes. I vaguely recall Juliet saying something about the runway, but as I do not have the DVDs, I can't check. If someone else can verify, that'd be nice!


I totally agree with the idea that it's Sawyer's time to lead. He's really come into his own and become proactive instead of just lounging around like he did in the good old days. He's become a team player and is showing a lot of concern for others. I really like Sawyer this season (and season 4).

Agreed! He has really grown as a character. It shows you what people can do when they're given a chance.

mr_kennedy
March 19th, 2009, 11:50 PM
lost is so ****in awesome atm, i havent seen a crappy episode of season 5 yet

lefluer is awesome, i loved how he put jack in his place, i wonder if he told juliet to assign him as a janitor

as for sun/old ben/lapitus, i think there in the same time frame as jack and the other oceanic 6 they just crashed on another island, i wonder if ben is going to die, i mean he is in close proximity to his younger self, i think cerberus may kill him

frank: tell me you just saw that? line of the episode i think, but then i love then the smoke monster

Shan Bruce Lee
March 20th, 2009, 01:40 AM
aye but also adding more dots :/

ok someone help me here 'cause I'm lost in space time :
2 eps back when John was killed & teleported back to the island & saw an unconscious Ben : what timeline was it then ? it couldn't be the "present" because as we saw in the last ep, Ben is up & well (leaving aside that knock on the head Sun gave him)
so was it an alternate present timeline ? http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/images/perso/skylight.gif

I don't think he was teleported. He was just on the plane when it crashed with the rest of the passengers that weren't taken back to 1977. They're all in 2007. The stuff from 2 episodes ago was sometime shortly after Sun knocked Ben out and took off with Frank.



Waaaaait a minute, i dont recall Juliette saying they were breaking rocks to build a runway....ya mean back in season 3 when the others had Kate and Sawyer working for them, they were building the runway that 316 just landed on??

Yep that's the runway. I don't remember if it was Juliet that said it was a runway or somebody else but it's def been mentioned before.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 20th, 2009, 01:46 AM
as for sun/old ben/lapitus, i think there in the same time frame as jack and the other oceanic 6 they just crashed on another island, i wonder if ben is going to die, i mean he is in close proximity to his younger self, i think cerberus may kill him

They're in 2007. Christian showed Sun the old Dharma group picture from '77 before telling her she had a long journey ahead of her.

mr_kennedy
March 20th, 2009, 01:49 AM
They're in 2007. Christian showed Sun the old Dharma group picture from '77 before telling her she had a long journey ahead of her.

yeh i remember that now, in that case, i think its bens fault that sun and ben didnt end up in the past, because he was on the island in 77 as a young kid

Wyrminarrd
March 20th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Great episode as usual.

Sun and Ben are definitely in the "present" and it will almost certainly fall on Sun to bring the pasties back from the past.

It makes sense to assign low ranking jobs to Jack, Kate and Hurly since looking up a guy with a medical degree is a lot easier then a janitor. Not to mention the fact that Jack is familiar with a lot of advances in medical technology over the last 30 years and might give things away in a careless moment. Though it might just be Sawyers way to get back at the high and mighty doctor :)

Sayid is so going to try and kill Ben, he hasnīt gotten the whole "you canīt change time" speech. Of course this requires him figuring out that theyīve gone back in time and that this is the same Ben has the one heīs dealt with for the last three years.

Anda
March 20th, 2009, 08:16 AM
A little strange episode.Don't you think?

Shan Bruce Lee
March 20th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Sayid is so going to try and kill Ben, he hasnīt gotten the whole "you canīt change time" speech. Of course this requires him figuring out that theyīve gone back in time and that this is the same Ben has the one heīs dealt with for the last three years.

In every scene with Sayid I was wondering wtf does he think is going on... He probably thought they'd all been brainwashed by the Others. I'm guessing from that last scene of him and young Ben that he's starting to put it together.

PengYn
March 20th, 2009, 11:16 AM
Waaaaait a minute, i dont recall Juliette saying they were breaking rocks to build a runway....ya mean back in season 3 when the others had Kate and Sawyer working for them, they were building the runway that 316 just landed on??


Yep that's the runway. I don't remember if it was Juliet that said it was a runway or somebody else but it's def been mentioned before.

Yep. That's what I meant. :) And it was definitely Juliet who told Sawyer, although I don't for a minute think she knew why. It's from Through the Looking Glass part one (season 3 finale). Transcript:

SAWYER: So, when you pulled us out of those polar bear cages and put us on the chang gang, what the hell you have us breaking all those rocks for anyway?

JULIET: We were building a runway.

SAWYER: Runway, for what?

JULIET: The aliens.
I don't know what for, do you think they told me everything?

Alan Wake
March 20th, 2009, 04:00 PM
So they were building a runway for a plane almost 40 years later?

Hummm...

My guess is one of the 06 informs them to start building it for this very reason at some point in this timeline.

Why? or how they knew about the plane landing? I don't know yet... only time will tell.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 20th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Yep. That's what I meant. :) And it was definitely Juliet who told Sawyer, although I don't for a minute think she knew why. It's from Through the Looking Glass part one (season 3 finale). Transcript:

SAWYER: So, when you pulled us out of those polar bear cages and put us on the chang gang, what the hell you have us breaking all those rocks for anyway?

JULIET: We were building a runway.

SAWYER: Runway, for what?

JULIET: The aliens.
I don't know what for, do you think they told me everything?



It won't let me green you cause I have to spread the wealth. I knew it was mentioned somewhere.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 20th, 2009, 10:10 PM
So they were building a runway for a plane almost 40 years later?

Hummm...

My guess is one of the 06 informs them to start building it for this very reason at some point in this timeline.

Why? or how they knew about the plane landing? I don't know yet... only time will tell.

No, when Juliet told Sawyer it was a runway it was 2004 when Jack, Kate and Sawyer were being held captive by the Others. Which is why it's incomplete, because the Freighter people show up a little later and they have to "abandon camp"

I'm guessing (keyword "guessing") Ben orders them to do it because he remembers seeing Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley from his childhood.

bcharley
March 20th, 2009, 10:30 PM
No, when Juliet told Sawyer it was a runway it was 2004 when Jack, Kate and Sawyer were being held captive by the Others. Which is why it's incomplete, because the Freighter people show up a little later and they have to "abandon camp"

I'm guessing (keyword "guessing") Ben orders them to do it because he remembers seeing Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley from his childhood.

Good guess but not quite. :)

D&C confirmed in their latest podcast that Jacob told the Others to build the runway.

Dusk
March 21st, 2009, 05:54 AM
That's because Jacob is definitely one of the original Losties, who knows what happens and gives instructions based on that knowledge. It would also explain why Claire went along with Christian: because she met "Jacob" and got the lowdown.

Miles is getting very underutilised. When will we get more of him? And this new evil Latino who crashed on Ajira... he's definitely bad news.

All I can say about the show is that it's very difficult to pull off time travel and scenes set in different time periods etc but LOST is doing very well so far. The show continues to be a strong character driven piece of drama whilst maintaining an air of science-fiction, fantasy, and above all mystery.

I have no idea what happens next. And I love it!

TheRandomOne
March 21st, 2009, 10:36 AM
Part of me think Jack is Jacob just based on the fact that back in the pilot he was alone for a few minutes in the jungle after helping Charlie that fell & then Jack just disappears & the smoke monster does not seem to bother Jack. With how long Jack was alone you would almost think that Jack was telling the smoke monster to leave :p & Jack barely defended himself against Sawyer when he confronted him. Maybe Jack knows something bad is going to happen to Sawyer ?

Amalthea
March 21st, 2009, 03:12 PM
So they were building a runway for a plane almost 40 years later?

Hummm...

My guess is one of the 06 informs them to start building it for this very reason at some point in this timeline.

Why? or how they knew about the plane landing? I don't know yet... only time will tell.

No, not 40 years later, it was for 3 years later. The Ajira 316 plane crash happened in 2007 and Sawyer was breaking rocks in 2004.

Skydiver
March 23rd, 2009, 05:19 AM
i agree, its' sawyer's time to lead. jack is too emotional, too irrational...and, right now, to survive they don't need to be bold and brash, they need to fit in and lay low until they can figure out a way to get home

KatG
March 23rd, 2009, 05:57 AM
Sawyer is the master of the long con. He knows how to hold his cards close to his chest and strike at the opportune moment.

Jack on the other hand, just jumps in with both feet and tramples all over everything.

If I have to trust my life to someone, I'd trust Sawyer anyday.

Skydiver
March 23rd, 2009, 08:16 AM
unless i was sick, then it'd be jack :)

but yeah, they need a conman to survive and sawyer can do that. jack will just get them in trouble

Amalthea
March 24th, 2009, 10:25 AM
I don't know if I'd trust Sawyer, but I would rely on him in this instance. He's been conning Dharma for 3 years. Jack should just go with the flow and follow Sawyer's lead until he gets more instructions and knows what he's supposed to do.

Stefan8
March 27th, 2009, 12:12 PM
A little strange episode.Don't you think?
Ofcourse, you were watching an episode of Lost!

But I agree, even for Lost this episode was different. The biggest difference was that this episode doesn't have (a) central character(s). I have to say that this was one of my favorites of the season (besidesThe Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham); there were two really great scenes:

1. Sun and Frank (strange but interesting couple) meet Christian (strange but interesting individual). This was one of the most eerie scenes of the entire show. The strange noises in the jungle, the shadows, the smoke. And what is Christians purpose on the show?
By the way, did anyone notice the person in the background during this scene? It could be a production error (a big one!), but it could also be Claire (or Charlotte, it looks like a woman with red hair).

2. The scene between Jack and Sawyer. It shows how much Jack has changed; he was a man of science, now he is a man of faith. I like him much more this way, he is less frustrated and far more relaxed.

HPMom
October 26th, 2009, 08:21 AM
I'm fairly new to Lost, but I've really been enjoying it. I've made it up to this episode, but have to wait for ABC to put more on their web site.

I may be unpopular for saying this, but I don't like Jack at all. (He IS very hot but...)
His character is self righteous and rash. He takes credit for "getting people home" when he did little more than anyone else to achieve that. Sawyer is a way better character, I love the episodes featuring him. I really hope he stays with Juliet and doesn't go back to Kate, again probably an unpopular opinion, but I like Juliet better.