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HAL2100
March 4th, 2009, 07:14 PM
I think that there should be a LAW prohibiting time travel where the persons invovled gain knowledge concerning people, places and events that they had prior interaction with. But at the same time I would have like it if what's his name had told Richard that there'd will come a day when they won't have to worry about Dharma.

Morbo
March 4th, 2009, 08:19 PM
this episode was AWESOME.

4 toed statue = anubis.

Morbo
March 4th, 2009, 08:22 PM
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/d/db/Statue.jpg

screencap of statue. look at what he is holding in his hands.

same as the necklace from amy's husband that was killed (the chick that horace got preggers)

OMG HORACE (horus)

lolz.

clearly the goa'uld are responsible for the island.

clearly alpert doesn't age because he has a sarcophagus

carno
March 4th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I am really interested in this statue, it has to be the 4 toed one of course, it looks like something from ancient Egypt. Richard who doesn't appear to age looks Egyptian. Also it appears that it is holding an onch (misspelled) the same thing that Paul was wearing around his neck when he died. I also wonder what Hourace's sons name is? These episodes are not long enough, there needs to be a book or something or the writers better start tieing up these loose ends before this show is over. They need to explain why richard doesn't age, why there are not births on the island after the 70's, who Jacob is, where did the others come from, why did Rousoes group go crazy, what is the smoke thing, what is the statue about, where did the temple go? I think I might make a thread for those questions

Amalthea
March 4th, 2009, 08:53 PM
I too thought the statue was very Egyptian in design. Maybe Richard is an ancient Egyptian?

Very interesting episode. I bet a lot of Sawyer/Kate people had a meltdown, though. LOL Aside from that, it caught us up on most things with the Island Losties. They kept busy with 1974-1977 Dharma people, except for Daniel, I think. It seems to me he ran away.

I'm hoping it doesn't become too much about Sawyer's feelings for Kate!

majorsal
March 4th, 2009, 10:05 PM
i liked this episode. i felt a bit disappointed, though, because i do NOT want them stuck in the past (would 'you' want to be stuck in the past? :S). but anyways, it was interesting to see how things went for the gang.

i especially liked sawyer being more a leader and him and juliet hooking up.

Alan Wake
March 4th, 2009, 10:10 PM
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/d/db/Statue.jpg

screencap of statue. look at what he is holding in his hands.

same as the necklace from amy's husband that was killed (the chick that horace got preggers)

OMG HORACE (horus)

lolz.

clearly the goa'uld are responsible for the island.

clearly alpert doesn't age because he has a sarcophagus

Are they facing the statue from the back? looks like it.

Since the time shifts have stopped, I'm not sure if we will get any more answers to the statue question... i'm hoping we do though.

Nemises
March 4th, 2009, 10:29 PM
the smoke monster = half ascended anubis

the gua'uld have found the island........it fits :anubis:

Amalthea
March 4th, 2009, 10:50 PM
i liked this episode. i felt a bit disappointed, though, because i do NOT want them stuck in the past (would 'you' want to be stuck in the past? :S). but anyways, it was interesting to see how things went for the gang.

i especially liked sawyer being more a leader and him and juliet hooking up.

I think that somehow they will get back to the future, though. Somehow, eventually.

Alan Wake
March 4th, 2009, 11:00 PM
I'd like to know what happened to the other survivors that were at the beach.

Rose/barnard, ect.

They were skipping through time with the others, so we should get some answer in the up coming episodes.

Sawyer has now been on the island for over 3 years... that means the other survivors have been there for over 3 years too... but where? and doing what?

jenks
March 5th, 2009, 04:44 AM
I'm not a shipper, but when I saw that look Sawyer gave Kate at the end I was just thinking nooooo don't do it lad, Kate is mind-**** personified and Juliet is just perfection. I hope they don't continue the love triangle, it's becoming torture.

HAL2100
March 5th, 2009, 05:12 AM
I'm inclined to think that Jacob is actually an alien and that the statue indicates that he (and/or his kind) were responsible for the pyramids of Egypt and the technological advances there that no one can explain. If that's the case, I would theorize that something they did caused or effected the electromagnetic pockets around the Earth and the one on the island. Could it be that the island is actually Atlantis? Hence the title 'Lost' and the funky things going on the island.

The Ankh is the symbol of eternal life which would suggest that perhaps the island is the 'Fountain of Youth' were if you stay on the island, you obviously don't age - hence the potential for Richard to be very, very old.

Skydiver
March 5th, 2009, 05:29 AM
you don't age, but apparently you can't live

What if this ends up being the Lost Island of Atlantis

that, to protect it from a volcano or something, they zipped it through time and hide it in the timeline, and it got lost and out of control

And some want control of it. Imagine how things would change if, say, you went back to the 80's and bought some apple or microsoft stock?

Dharma may be there to study the past....esoteric things like 'let's go back to the 1800's, go and witness the gettysburg address, see what really happened, then bring that knowledge back to the island or leave it somewhere to 'fix' the questions in history...but others have more basic desires, money, money, money and power

and there ended up being a civil war of a sort, them fighting over how to handle the island and they ended up killing themselves. Leaving the island lost and unattended. Except for a couple of people like Richard, survivors of the original island, that want it back but lack some bit of control or power to master it, so they have to manipulate others to their wishes

mizzoueng
March 5th, 2009, 10:50 AM
That was a very confusing episode. It was interesting to see the statue, and now we know how it got knocked down as well (Earthquake during the shift that filled the well).

But doesn't this mean that they have changed time? The well now is filled and its in the 1970's. So there is no well in the future for Locke to go down to set the wheel right.

Does this mean they are now in an alternate universe or something? We know the ultimate fate of the Dharma group, so can that change and how will Alpert and the Others feel about that?

And we know that they were shifting through time since they were alive, maybe their brainwaves were shifted slightly due to exposure to the island and this allowed them to move with it. But if prolonged exposure meant you could shift, wouldn't Richard and the Others shift as well? Maybe not, who knows.

Good catch on the symbol on Paul and the statue. But why would Richard want his body? There is more going on than we know.

And finally, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN FROM THE FLIGHT???? They all went to the Temple with the Others and have not been heard from for a whole season, did the writers really kill off kids and not tell us?

dsigal
March 5th, 2009, 11:29 AM
I think you're a tad confused, or at least I didn't see it that way.

There was no earthquake, it was just a major time flash, which would have only affected the castaways, and not the statute or the well.

As for the well...

Locke initally went down into it in a time period when it fully existed and the Orchid station did not. Then they flashed to a time period LONG before the well existed. And then the final flash, which you mistook for the earth quake took them either to a time when the well was still being dug out, or much more likely, to time past when Locke went down it and it had been filled in for some reason or another.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 5th, 2009, 11:30 AM
Could it be that the island is actually Atlantis? Hence the title 'Lost' and the funky things going on the island.



What if this ends up being the Lost Island of Atlantis

I've thought about that before but Lemuria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent)) makes more sense. For one, it was supposed to have been somewhere in the Pacific.

It's also been connected to Atlantis, Mu and a few other "lost islands"

I remember reading about a bunch of these places a long time ago where authors claimed the ancient civilizations thought of time as all occurring at once instead of a past, present and future. I can't remember which one it was or where I saw it so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it or not.

knowles2
March 5th, 2009, 02:20 PM
The statue to me sought of look like claire but it probably not.
But it does seem to me any how someone wearing modern clothing and it is almost certainly look like a women.
What happen to Faraday, when we saw him in the tunnel it look like he was not suppose to be there, I am guesting he runs off and spends his time coming up with a way to save his girlfriend which will cause a time shift to occur and this time their no one their to anchor them back onto the record.

I am also wondering about the body and why Richard wanted it. You think perhaps he convince Jakub/island it weave its magic bring him back from the dead as apology for his men killing attacking them, perhaps convincing other members of Dharma to their side.

What made Dharma and the others both break the truth or is the truth just the others buying themselves time know the Dharma unlike the American Marines know exactly how to deal with the others and so they enter the deal to buy to obtain a weapon to wipe dharma.

What ever happen we should learn a lot in the next few episodes about the Dharma inituitive.

I did like the way the boss told sawyer he not Dharma material even through he did look exactly like their kind of material either.

And then we get to the quadrangle juliet, Kate, Sawyer, Jack anyone else what to join it. Personally I say they should just all jump into bed together, much simpler than argueing about it.



That was a very confusing episode. It was interesting to see the statue, and now we know how it got knocked down as well (Earthquake during the shift that filled the well).

But doesn't this mean that they have changed time? The well now is filled and its in the 1970's. So there is no well in the future for Locke to go down to set the wheel right.

Does this mean they are now in an alternate universe or something? We know the ultimate fate of the Dharma group, so can that change and how will Alpert and the Others feel about that?
From the explanation of time travel so far we are dealing with a self correcting time stream that does not change course or split of in other directions which mean unless Faraday wrong there is no alternate universes in the Lost verse.
Got the feeling Faraday going to restart the time shifts in the near future. Lock or someone can then inform Alpert to re dig the well in one of those time shifts.
I think it becoming more obvious that Dharma and the others were living on friendly terms but certain people in each group obviously wanted to restart the conflict. I think it Ben who eventually break the treaty and lead the others into war, which somehow he convince Richard join and support. Which has continue ever since, I do not think Dharma have ever left the island. In fact here one crazy idea what if it Sawyer and his boss that arrange the food drop in the future to help out the others as an experiment to see if they could really change the future events.



And finally, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN FROM THE FLIGHT???? They all went to the Temple with the Others and have not been heard from for a whole season, did the writers really kill off kids and not tell us?

The kids and the flight attendant are one of the biggest mystery we have, we know they have obviously been brainwash either by smokey or using the same thing ben was using on his adopted daughter boyfriend. This one thing I would love them to ask Juliet, it one of many other questions I am sure she could answer if only someone ask her, of cause she could be under orders from Robert not answer those questions. If they are converted to the others then they may of stayed in the future with the others. But then again why did not Juliet stay with the others. Perhaps it because they all been inside the temple but she has not.


Who was the women that was dancing at the beginning I recognise her from somewhere.

Amalthea
March 5th, 2009, 03:33 PM
The kids are the big question, really and Rose and Bernard. I mean, if the kids are stuck with the Others in 2005, how did they get stuck? Why aren't they jumping with the rest of Oceanic 815/Freight people? We saw Bernard and Rose jump, so what have they been up to for the 3 years from 1974-1977? And, as I mentioned in another thread, how come Juliet gets to jump too?

As for the thing about changing the past, it's like a predestination paradox. The losties were meant to go back in time and influence all of these events. I think this will be shown when they tell us who the baby Juliet delivered is and it is someone we already know (I'm betting Ethan). How they get back to their own time is a mystery, though. And, what happens to Amy? Horace is married to Olivia when Ben arrives, so Amy is somehow toast.

Descent
March 5th, 2009, 03:40 PM
So....

Sawyer loves Juliet, Jack loves Kate, Juliet loves Jack, Kate loves Sawyer....

Jeez... this is going to end well... :rolleyes:

entil2001
March 5th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Review: Lost 5.8: "LaFleur" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-8.html)

Overall, this episode effectively marks the mid-point of the fifth season, and so far, the season has been hitting on all cylinders. The revelations just keep coming, one after another, and the end effect is a tightening-up of the series as a whole. It's amazing to think that all of this is still just a prelude to whatever war is coming in the sixth and final season.

HAL2100
March 5th, 2009, 05:21 PM
That was a very confusing episode. It was interesting to see the statue, and now we know how it got knocked down as well (Earthquake during the shift that filled the well).

But doesn't this mean that they have changed time? The well now is filled and its in the 1970's. So there is no well in the future for Locke to go down to set the wheel right.

Does this mean they are now in an alternate universe or something? We know the ultimate fate of the Dharma group, so can that change and how will Alpert and the Others feel about that?

And we know that they were shifting through time since they were alive, maybe their brainwaves were shifted slightly due to exposure to the island and this allowed them to move with it. But if prolonged exposure meant you could shift, wouldn't Richard and the Others shift as well? Maybe not, who knows.

Good catch on the symbol on Paul and the statue. But why would Richard want his body? There is more going on than we know.

And finally, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN FROM THE FLIGHT???? They all went to the Temple with the Others and have not been heard from for a whole season, did the writers really kill off kids and not tell us?

Exactly my reason for citing that any producer or writer that even suggests, let own actually writes in time travel should be summarily shot.

HAL2100
March 5th, 2009, 05:24 PM
I've thought about that before but Lemuria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent)) makes more sense. For one, it was supposed to have been somewhere in the Pacific.

It's also been connected to Atlantis, Mu and a few other "lost islands"

I remember reading about a bunch of these places a long time ago where authors claimed the ancient civilizations thought of time as all occurring at once instead of a past, present and future. I can't remember which one it was or where I saw it so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it or not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...Atlantis West... I remember it now

HAL2100
March 5th, 2009, 05:39 PM
- I think that the temple is a place that's isolated from any effects of time shifting.

- I'm still thinking that there is a tie in with the Fountain of Youth AND Atlantis/Lemuria.

-I'm wondering if the 'incident' at the Swan was the cause of the situation with the newborns dying.

-I'm thinking also that the original inhabitants of the island, the ones who built the statue or even prior to that were advanced enough to figure out the time travel built and put together the wheel...and that they were aliens.

carno
March 6th, 2009, 07:50 AM
I have a thought, Fariday was seen in previous episodes in the tunnel where the orchid will be built in the 70's so that must be where he is now or currently in the tv show which is actually the 70's (you get me?). So here is what I think happens. Fairaday works on building the orchid, then he does something down there to cause a time shift (probably something other than turning the wheel hoping for a very specific result) hoping to save sharlet This causes a string of events 1) throws off the electromagnetic whatever which requires the button to be pushed every 108 min. in the swan 2) Babies can't be born on the island. 3) probably causes the storm that makes rouso's boat crash on the island 4) returns the group to the present time (2005) or makes them time travel again and run in to the other 815 people, or time travel and explain the statute and the temple.

I also think sharlet vanished because she was already in that time period as a child and there for can not exsit as her adult self...... ohhh this is good........ and thats why the natives (others) do not time travel either, but for this all to be true you would have to ignore the children from the flight, unless the others removed the children from the island leaving the adults.

Lt. Col. John_Sheppard
March 6th, 2009, 08:37 AM
Man... I really hope the whole love triangle won't be started up again...

chris1984
March 6th, 2009, 08:42 AM
I have a theory....somewhat far-fetched but hey here goes anyway.
What if the war that everyone keeps going on about is the Dharma/others war and the wrong side already won (others). That would mean that the losties have always been meant to end up in the 70's in order to make sure the others did not win and dharma did. It would mean that the losties would have to utilise all the knowledge that they have been gaining up to this point in order to change future events.
Im still not sure on this myself but hey everyones got an opinion right!!

Shan Bruce Lee
March 6th, 2009, 09:34 AM
I also think sharlet vanished because she was already in that time period as a child and there for can not exsit as her adult self...... ohhh this is good........ and thats why the natives (others) do not time travel either, but for this all to be true you would have to ignore the children from the flight, unless the others removed the children from the island leaving the adults.

I think Charlotte just disappeared because she was dead

Descent
March 6th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Man... I really hope the whole love triangle won't be started up again...

It's not a triangle anymore. ;)

But yeah, this is going to get ugly...

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
March 6th, 2009, 02:39 PM
I literally yelled in excitement when i saw the statue. I got a funny vibe just before it started, like a deja vu of sort, that maybe wed see the statue. SPOT ON!!! I love it. Been waiting almost 3 years and although we didnt get to see its face, the way they teased it just warms me up. Another classic symbol.

I think Lost just created the first 4 way triangle. The drama factor has hit an all-time high, in my opinion.

Big theory, the 'incident' that Dr. Chang talks about in the Swan Orientation video is what causes pregnant women to die on the island. IT MUST BE!!! Especially since the videos arent going to be shot until the early 80s, the times seem to fit.

majorsal
March 6th, 2009, 04:13 PM
question: that woman that had the baby; is the 'baby' going to be someone important?

majorsal
March 6th, 2009, 04:22 PM
So....

Sawyer loves Juliet, Jack loves Kate, Juliet loves Jack, Kate loves Sawyer....

Jeez... this is going to end well... :rolleyes:

yep, sounds like real life to me. :p

i'm hoping that sawyer and juliet stay together, and that jack and kate *finally* really hook up (not their back and forth stuff).

i don't mind the sawyer/kate stuff, i just like the idea of the above pairings more. they kind of equal each other out. :p

chris1984
March 7th, 2009, 03:12 AM
The baby is Ethan.

Hope that helps majorsal

HAL2100
March 7th, 2009, 05:04 AM
Man... I really hope the whole love triangle won't be started up again...

...All this has happened before, all this will happen again...

HAL2100
March 7th, 2009, 05:13 AM
I was reading the wiki article on Miles Straume and in there its noted that he at one point told Ben - 'I know exactly who you are'. Given his connection to the dead, I'm wondering if the island is the Fountain of Youth afterall - hench the ankh reference (eternal life), Widmore is trying to find the island so that he and others (at a price paid to him) can live forever, and Ben is an agent of Death trying to ensure that Widmore doesn't find it as Life only has meaning in the shadow of Death.

Anubis69
March 7th, 2009, 06:49 AM
I think Lost just created the first 4 way triangle.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/86/Dividebyzero.jpg

SoulReaver
March 7th, 2009, 08:20 AM
and that jack and kate *finally* really hook up (not their back and forth stuff).http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/images/perso/alex666.gif

Amalthea
March 7th, 2009, 03:33 PM
I think Charlotte just disappeared because she was dead

Me too. All the other bodies from 815 haven't been making the jumps either, so it is consistent.

chris1984
March 7th, 2009, 03:41 PM
I agree also!

cjp240573
March 9th, 2009, 06:28 AM
That was a very confusing episode. It was interesting to see the statue, and now we know how it got knocked down as well (Earthquake during the shift that filled the well).


We dont know this do we? i cant remember them saying this (or I missed it).

Forgive me if im wrong.

cjp240573
March 9th, 2009, 06:30 AM
Review: Lost 5.8: "LaFleur" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-8.html)

Overall, this episode effectively marks the mid-point of the fifth season, and so far, the season has been hitting on all cylinders. The revelations just keep coming, one after another, and the end effect is a tightening-up of the series as a whole. It's amazing to think that all of this is still just a prelude to whatever war is coming in the sixth and final season.

woohoo, there is gonna be season 6??? see im always the last one to know anything around here :o

Shan Bruce Lee
March 9th, 2009, 07:49 AM
We dont know this do we? i cant remember them saying this (or I missed it).

Forgive me if im wrong.

no they didn't show what happened to the statue. They just showed a distant shot of the back of it.

Kuldiin
March 9th, 2009, 10:38 AM
Richard Alpert = RA Egyptian God?



Edit:- (Not my work, took this off another forum )

Shan Bruce Lee
March 9th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Richard Alpert = RA Egyptian God?

Maybe, but I don't see why he's focus so much attention to finding a new leader for his people if he were a god.

HAL2100
March 9th, 2009, 04:50 PM
Me too. All the other bodies from 815 haven't been making the jumps either, so it is consistent.

We don't know that they haven't been making the jump. Since we've only SEEN Juliet, the Shirtless Guy, the X-Man, Charlotte and Charlotte's Main Squeeze, there's no evidence to confirm or deny that the others have or have not been jumping. I would presume that they have seen the comments have all been that 'everyone left behind would die'.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
March 9th, 2009, 09:34 PM
Opps, meant 4 way love triangle

Amalthea
March 9th, 2009, 10:53 PM
We don't know that they haven't been making the jump. Since we've only SEEN Juliet, the Shirtless Guy, the X-Man, Charlotte and Charlotte's Main Squeeze, there's no evidence to confirm or deny that the others have or have not been jumping. I would presume that they have seen the comments have all been that 'everyone left behind would die'.

No, I mean the dead ones. The dead stay put. Killed by fire arrows or whatever. The live ones I think are jumping. And I, for one would like to know where the heck Bernard and Rose are!!

Shan Bruce Lee
March 10th, 2009, 07:52 AM
No, I mean the dead ones. The dead stay put. Killed by fire arrows or whatever. The live ones I think are jumping. And I, for one would like to know where the heck Bernard and Rose are!!

Maybe they're the ones that went back to the cave...

YodaMate
March 11th, 2009, 07:26 AM
In most of the timeframes, our time travellers have achieved something important that has affected the Lost history, but there's a subtle one that may have been missed.

Sawyer was hanging onto the rope, which became embedded in the ground during the time of the statue. This rope pinpoints the exact location of the frozen chamber, marking the spot for whomever digs the well to get all the way down to the wheel.

Also, the last three episodes have jumped the storyline to the point where the only character who we know everything that's going on with is Jack.

- Daniel, Aaron and Claire have gone missing, in the 1970s and 2000s respectively.
- Sun has some arrangement with Charles Widmore, had the least future flashes and has seemingly abandoned her own child to go back to the island.
- Sayid has a history with Ben and somehow ended up in custody
- Hurley is on a mission for someone or something to return to the island.
- Kate is tight-lipped about what happened with Aaron
- Ben's 'tying up a loose end' almost certainly referred to Desmond and Penny
- Bernard, Rose and by my count between 15 and 17 other Flight 815rs are missing in time travel action.
- Sawyer, Juliet and Jin managed to extend their stay with DHARMA and have possibly learned a few things in 3 years.

Halfway through this season we have a situation where almost all our characters have mysteries surrounding them again and it's up to Jack (standing in for the audience) to figure this whole thing out. I hope he's up to the task.

HAL2100
March 11th, 2009, 12:47 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that since they're all back before Ben did his thing with The Tempest to kill everyone with Dharma that the Heroes will either have to jump over the event, join The Others or find someother means of surviving.

Shan Bruce Lee
March 11th, 2009, 03:36 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that since they're all back before Ben did his thing with The Tempest to kill everyone with Dharma that the Heroes will either have to jump over the event, join The Others or find someother means of surviving.

I'm guessing they'll be gone before then.

puddlejumper747
March 11th, 2009, 04:52 PM
- Daniel, Aaron and Claire have gone missing, in the 1970s and 2000s respectively.

Daniel is NOT missing. People keep suggesting this, but we SAW him working for the Dharma initiative in the very first scene of the very first episode of this season. Just like we found Jin and Sawyer and everyone else doing in this last episode. Did we not? We didn't need to see Daniel this episode, because we've actually already been shown where he is working at this time period.


Someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

YodaMate
March 11th, 2009, 06:06 PM
A poor choice of words, lumping him in with Claire and Aaron. I meant that where the story is at right now, we don't know what Daniel is up to.

At some point he is spotted in the Orchid, we don't know exactly what he plans to do there, but i'm sure we'll find out in due course.

You're right, a great more mystery surrounds Claire and Aaron who we know next to nothing about what they're doing or if they're even still alive.

HAL2100
March 11th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Daniel is NOT missing. People keep suggesting this, but we SAW him working for the Dharma initiative in the very first scene of the very first episode of this season. Just like we found Jin and Sawyer and everyone else doing in this last episode. Did we not? We didn't need to see Daniel this episode, because we've actually already been shown where he is working at this time period.


Someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

One of the issues with Time Travel in stories (and the reason why any producer or writer who even suggests putting into a story should be ever so slowly killed by the most painful and horrible death imaginable) is that the issue of what happens to a person when the person travels backwards in time to some point during their own lifetime. This time last year, I was in Fort Lauderdale. I am now in Baltimore. If I were to travel backwards one year to Baltimore a year ago, would I still be in Fort Lauderdale or would I suddenly disappear?

Basically, its the question of whether or not you would exist in the past at two different locations at the same time. For that matter, could you meet yourself.

That I believe is the question being asked. Did Faraday and the others suddenly disappear from where they were originally?

NOTE: I am *NOT* posing that question looking for an answer. As Janeway once said "Temporal Mechanics give me a headache."

Shan Bruce Lee
March 12th, 2009, 05:03 AM
Daniel is NOT missing. People keep suggesting this, but we SAW him working for the Dharma initiative in the very first scene of the very first episode of this season. Just like we found Jin and Sawyer and everyone else doing in this last episode. Did we not? We didn't need to see Daniel this episode, because we've actually already been shown where he is working at this time period.


Someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

No I think that's right.

PengYn
March 12th, 2009, 08:23 AM
I'm guessing they'll be gone before then.

Yep me too. And I'm thinking long before then actually. Ben was an adult when Dharma was purged. He's only a boy in the 70's. I doubt the Lost gang will still be stuck in the past that long considering that Sun is in one time and Jin in another and we've
been promised a reunion before the end of the season

SSG Skeet
March 12th, 2009, 05:58 PM
Arent jin and Sun in the same time now though?

YodaMate
March 13th, 2009, 01:30 AM
There's been no sign of Sun in the 1970s yet. A lot of people are speculating that she is in the 2000s with Flight 316, because of one line saying that "a woman and the pilot" took off in a canoe by themselves (presumably Sun and Frank).

There is nothing wrong with time travel as a story device and so far LOST have done very well with it IMHO. For those who are still claiming that there are issues with running into other selves, they're not paying attention to Faraday : everything that happened, happened. Since we didn't see anyone run into their other self (or mysteriously disappear) before Season 5 then it didn't and won't happen.

All the time travellers' activities have been self-fulfilling prophecies ; e.g. the island still exists in 2004 because in 1954 Daniel told the Others how to seal and bury the hydrogen bomb.

The exception to the Rules is Desmond and we don't know exactly how he can change things. We know he can receive new memories from encounters with time travellers (i.e. when he turned the fail-safe and the encounter with Daniel) and it's possible that Desmond changed the future by delaying Charlie's death or even by coming to the island at all (which is only really possible if Ms Hawking is also 'outside time'), we will need to wait to find out. Keep the faith, the writers know what they are doing.

PengYn
March 13th, 2009, 01:43 PM
There is nothing wrong with time travel as a story device and so far LOST have done very well with it IMHO. For those who are still claiming that there are issues with running into other selves, they're not paying attention to Faraday : everything that happened, happened. Since we didn't see anyone run into their other self (or mysteriously disappear) before Season 5 then it didn't and won't happen.
All the time travellers' activities have been self-fulfilling prophecies ; e.g. the island still exists in 2004 because in 1954 Daniel told the Others how to seal and bury the hydrogen bomb.

I completely agree with you here, particularly the bolded part. The trick to telling stories about time travel is to pick one theory (for there are many) and stick with it throughout. The Lost creators have already decided on a Linear timeline rather than quantum, and they haven't strayed from that vision. Everything that has happened was meant to happen. And tbh I don't see the issue with having to have your "other" self disappear, at all. I've never actually seen that be a major issue in any time-travel story. You'd simply be a paradox, that's all.

SSG Skeet
March 14th, 2009, 11:42 AM
Is Frank going to be a regular character in the show still or what?

dsigal
March 14th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Arent jin and Sun in the same time now though?

There's no way to know for sure right now, but it seems pretty obvious that when the survivors of the recent crash told Locke that a pilot and a woman took one of the three canoes, the woman she was talking about Sun. Who else would it be? (This is also based on the theory that the rest of the survivors of the crash didn't flash, but i think that was pretty obvious considering the Dharma station was abandoned and people saw Hurley and others disappear from the plane)

My belief is she didnt flash with the rest of them because of her unholy alliance with Widmore.

I also think she was responsible for whatever happened with Kate and Aaron. Think about it, Kate made that comment on the plane that even though they were all on the plane, it didn't mean they were all together, so she was clearly pissed at someone on the plane. Sun is the only one who makes any sense, and her whereabouts are completely unaccounted for between the time they were at the chuch with Mrs. Hawkings and when they left on the flight. She'd be motivated to get Kate on the plane, because Mrs. Hawkings told her that the more of them were on the plane, the more likely the plan was to work and thus the more likely she was goign to get to see Jin. Sun may even be involved in getting Hurley and Sayid on the plane. They could tell the entire story in one cool Sun flashback episode!

Just my theory

Dusk
March 18th, 2009, 02:53 AM
Yes, Rose and Bernard's disappearance has me annoyed. Such a small thing, but it annoys me all the same.

When's the volcano going to erupt?

And, where is Sayid and Sun?

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 05:59 AM
Horace's Son is Ethan,the guy who attacked John and the survivors 3 years ago...or 30 years later.

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 06:00 AM
Sayid is somewhere on the island and Sun will arrive to the Island 30 years later as will Ben and Frank...and John.