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January 10th, 2009, 10:42 PM
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Eloise Hawking reveals the way back to the island, requiring Jack to take a leap of faith. Ben attempts to tie up loose ends, while Jack struggles with the truth behind an old friend's suicide.

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Shan Bruce Lee
February 18th, 2009, 09:33 PM
Incredible episode. All I'm gonna say is it's about time :)

Best line of the episode: "Who cares?"

Amalthea
February 18th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Dude... just... dude!!

Best episode ever!

Holy moley... so on the plane, they were all each other! Sayid was Kate and everyone took turns being Charlie. That was so wild. And to have Frank there! My mind is blown.

Obvious questions as to where Aaron is, did Ben succeed in killing Penny? If so, is Desmond going to hut him down? Oh the craziness.

retiredat44
February 18th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Great Episode,,, a shame, left us hanging with so many questions, so many cool things.. Ben says 'Who Cares!" when asked about the other airplane passengers.. hahah!! It's a shame these episodes are not 2 or 3 hours each, one hour is not enough! damm,, gotta burn another week while I wait,, luckily I have other shows I am really into besides Lost! If this was the only show I watched... waiting a week would be bad.. :p

alaskannut
February 19th, 2009, 12:02 AM
If this was the only show I watched... waiting a week would be bad.. :p
It is.....trust me:(:(


As for "Who cares" being the best line....gotta disagree there, I'm sorry, but "We're not going to Guam are we?" just cannot be topped. Or the look on Sayid's face when he saw Jack;):D

retiredat44
February 19th, 2009, 01:56 AM
It is.....trust me:(:(


As for "Who cares" being the best line....gotta disagree there, I'm sorry, but "We're not going to Guam are we?" just cannot be topped. Or the look on Sayid's face when he saw Jack;):D


yeah! that line too... ;)

knowles2
February 19th, 2009, 05:26 AM
Lost has returns to normal. We been spoilt over the last five episodes where we generally had more answers that questions, for once.
Not episode 6 where we get far more questions than answers.

Now the questions WTF happened to Aaron, that made kate lose all hope.
Are the others on the air plane landed into the future and it only the losties that went back in time. Are they still alive? Where is Ben, the pilot and the rest of the gang.
Why Jin working with Dharma, and how did he manage to infiltrate them.
Will Jack and the others start to experience time jumps and if they do then why did they have to return.
Is Faraday mother betraying the rules and does not want to return to the island and is Faraday right in saying only she can save them, by returning her self, and by getting the others back she betraying the Island.
What else does Desmond have to do to for Island I am starting to feel sorry for the bloke.
How the hell did Hurly get out of prison, not even a army of lawyers could have done that and with his passport in hand to.
Who gave Ben a beating, and can I shake their hands for a job well done. He actually seemed scared of who ever did it too, which is a change from his usual over confidence self.

The bad things their were non.
The good things, I love it how hurly bought out the rest of the passengers seats, and using his wealth. How Jack look so uncomfortable changing Lock shoes. The letter bit was good. Some great acting.

Skydiver
February 19th, 2009, 05:34 AM
practicality says taht they have to start laying out more questions than answers. there has to be enough plot to keep interest going for 7 more episodes not to mention 2 more seasons (if i'm remembering the numbers right)

knowles2
February 19th, 2009, 05:45 AM
There are eleven more episodes left of this season. Then a other batch of 17 coming in 2010. Their the rumor of a feature film either direct to dvd or even cinema.

And their are awful lot of questions to answer in just 28 hours of TV. The writers are creating more I am not sure if they will have time to answer them all.

Through they are doing a good job so far.

Skydiver
February 19th, 2009, 05:51 AM
i think they're carefully doling out plot twists, etc, to pace it out until the end.

i not only thought about 'where's aaron' but also 'how does sun deal with leaving her daughter behind' and having the 'second generation' of the island

as to sayid infiltrating Dharma....the bus is running, so it must be before ben kills them all, because ben left his daddy's body in the van, so they're back in time, pre massacre.

it's possible that some of the people off the plane are also scattered around in time

PengYn
February 19th, 2009, 06:01 AM
Awesome episode! Definitely the best Oceanic 6 ep we've had. I'm starting to fangurl Ben a little too much which is vaguely disturbing. Another great line was, Jack: How can you read? Ben: My mother taught me.

It's great that they're now back on the island, and I assume we'll go back to the format of flash backs (or since they're in the past now they're still technically flash forwards lol) to see how they all got on the plane and what happened to Aaron.

As to Jin being in a Dharma suit, apparently episode 8 is meant to be about how he, Juliet, Sawyer, Miles, and Daniel infiltrate Dharma pre-purge.

What's interesting is that 316 is actually episode 7 not episode 6, but the creators decided last minute to switch them. So I wonder what next weeks episode will bring.

Sp!der
February 19th, 2009, 06:21 AM
2 great lines: "How do you read?" Ben: "My Mother Taught Me"...I just love Ben. This Epsiode had a quite season oneish feeling if I may say so. and the other great line came from lapidus: were not going to guam are we? he is just awesome and I am glad that he is back in the business. The face of Sayid in the plane was absolutley priceless!!! Wonder what happend to Aaron though. and i am kinda curious how jin will react if sun is coming back..is he gonna be happy? or angry at john not holding is promise? i mean jin cannot know ^^
well...i give it an 8 out of 10....
dont hope that pennys dead though, poor Desmond.!

Alan Wake
February 19th, 2009, 06:57 AM
Why do you think Ben killed penny? did I miss something in the episode?

I guess he could have... but i doubt it.

knowles2
February 19th, 2009, 07:18 AM
Why do you think Ben killed penny? did I miss something in the episode?

I guess he could have... but i doubt it.

I am guesting that he thinks they Desmond and Penny boat was docked in the mariner that Ben was standing in front of when making the phone call to Jack, was where they had their boat docked and that they sailed the boat from England to LA and the blood all over him was Penny blood an not his own.

Through I do not think they do that in such a short time. Through we do not know how long it been since Desmond was in Oxford so I suppose it possible.

The fact Ben was so beaten up is possible that penny and her son are still alive and that Desmond beat the utter **** out of him. Through it looked like Ben was in shock and well he is not the kind of bloke to be shock over killing a couple of people or getting beaten up over it.

PengYn
February 19th, 2009, 07:19 AM
Why do you think Ben killed penny? did I miss something in the episode?

I guess he could have... but i doubt it.

Ben told Widmore during season 4 that because he was responsible for the murder of Ben's daughter Alex, that he would repay by killing Widmore's. It was a piece of unfinished business for Ben, and since he knew he'd be returning to the island, it's possible he thought this was his only chance.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 19th, 2009, 07:46 AM
I think Ben did kill Penny, or at least tried.
I also think Widmore has a lot to do with Kate, Hurley, and Sayid being on the plane. But Sayid may be a complete coincidence as Lapicus appears to be.

PengYn
February 19th, 2009, 08:34 AM
There seemed to be an almost biblical undertone to this episode. Anybody else find it interesting - or at least intriguing - that aside from the flight number being 316, that John 3:16 is about sacrifice so that others might live. And John Locke has grown to that point where he believes he is/or has to be a sacrifice?

knowles2
February 19th, 2009, 09:26 AM
There seemed to be an almost biblical undertone to this episode. Anybody else find it interesting - or at least intriguing - that aside from the flight number being 316, that John 3:16 is about sacrifice so that others might live. And John Locke has grown to that point where he believes he is/or is a sacrifice?

Good spot.
I would probably would never of notice that myself. Shows the level of research the writers go through.

Sp!der
February 19th, 2009, 10:03 AM
well Ben said smth to Jack that he has to do smth for an old friend....
...so I guess he meant charles widmore..... i dont know, else who would beat ben so hard. Maybe its the only way to get Desmond back on the island. He was not on the plane so it makes sensethat he did not go with jack etc. so Ben kills the only one Desmonds love (besides Charlie) and to bring him to the island again. So Desmond hunts him down. Dont know if it makes any sense.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 19th, 2009, 11:01 AM
There seemed to be an almost biblical undertone to this episode. Anybody else find it interesting - or at least intriguing - that aside from the flight number being 316, that John 3:16 is about sacrifice so that others might live. And John Locke has grown to that point where he believes he is/or has to be a sacrifice?

And Ms. Hawkings' little Dharma facility was in the basement of a church.

COMMANDER SIVOK
February 19th, 2009, 11:10 AM
Jack: How can you read? Ben: My mother taught me.

The first thing I thought of was, didn't Ben's mom die giving birth to him. I thought in one of ben's flashbacks that his dad hated Ben's birthday because it was the same day his wife died.

Amalthea
February 19th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Both my brother and I watched the show independently and both thought that the moment Ben said he had some loose ends to tie up that he was off to kill Penny. Also, Ben was calling from some kind of pier with fresh blood on his face. Whatever went down, it went down near a boat and last I knew, Penny was on a boat.

Also, Ben is such a habitual liar! "My mother taught me." She so did not! Ben never met his mother. I wouldn't believe Ben if he said the sky was blue.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 19th, 2009, 12:50 PM
When he said "My mother taught me" he was just being a smart-a**. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

jollyrogue
February 19th, 2009, 01:05 PM
heh.. that was a good quote from the episode :P

Does anyone else think it was ghost Charlie that told Hurley to get on the plane, maybe he told him to bring the guitar too (unless its not a guitar inside, then my theory is ruined).. Still, i thought Hurley was in prison :/

retiredat44
February 19th, 2009, 01:56 PM
Ben told Widmore during season 4 that because he was responsible for the murder of Ben's daughter Alex, that he would repay by killing Widmore's. It was a piece of unfinished business for Ben, and since he knew he'd be returning to the island, it's possible he thought this was his only chance.

the kid on the beach with Alex's mother said he was the father, before the French chick shot him after the smoke monster took over his body and then his rifle misfired before she shot him dead while Jin was going through flashes in time. So,, Ben cannot be Alex's father (yes I know Alex is dead, supposedly anyways..), it was the guy that was with what's her name (french crazy chick). Oh yeah, Daniel something... (I think).


:p

retiredat44
February 19th, 2009, 01:58 PM
Why do you think Ben killed penny? did I miss something in the episode?

I guess he could have... but i doubt it.

who thought about this killing Penny?? did I miss something?? Huh?? why?? never heard or saw anything along these lines .. thoughts, etc..



:(

PengYn
February 19th, 2009, 02:05 PM
the kid on the beach with Alex's mother said he was the father, before the French chick shot him after the smoke monster took over his body and then his rifle misfired before she shot him dead while Jin was going through flashes in time. So,, Ben cannot be Alex's father (yes I know Alex is dead, supposedly anyways..), it was the guy that was with what's her name (french crazy chick). Oh yeah, Daniel something... (I think).


:p

Actually, Ben stole Alex from Danielle and he raised her as his daughter. Biology aside he still thought of Alex as his daughter and Alex thought Ben was her father, so everything I said above still stands. Ben did tell Widmore he would kill Penny because it was Widmore's hired guns that killed Alex. The specific episode where Ben confronts Widmore is in season four.

knowles2
February 19th, 2009, 02:11 PM
the kid on the beach with Alex's mother said he was the father, before the French chick shot him after the smoke monster took over his body and then his rifle misfired before she shot him dead while Jin was going through flashes in time. So,, Ben cannot be Alex's father (yes I know Alex is dead, supposedly anyways..), it was the guy that was with what's her name (french crazy chick). Oh yeah, Daniel something... (I think).


:p
I think Ben thought of Alex as his doughtier, through he would not exactly register high on the father of the year lists. May be he really cared for her a lot more that we been let to believe and from what we saw on screen. I thought we always knew he was not her real father.

Here a thought what if her boyfriend is related to Widmore and that why Ben did not want them two together, better story than the over protective parent. I think he dead now through. Richard is also kind of person I believe would not condone killing someone just because they got the wrong relatives. We all know he was the real power broker on the island when he though necessary to intervene.

PengYn
February 19th, 2009, 02:17 PM
Dug out the dvd's. It's S4 episode 9 "The Shape of Things to Come".

Widmore asks Ben if he has come to kill him. Ben says "we both know I can't do that." He instead accuses Widmore of changing the rules and killing his daughter. The two argue about who bears responsibility for Alex's death. The debate concludes with Ben vowing to kill Widmore's daughter, Penelope, so that he will know the same pain Ben knows. Widmore claims to know "what" Ben is, saying everything Ben has he took from Widmore. Ben says Widmore will wish he hadn't "changed the rules." Widmore counters that Ben will never find Penny, and that he wants "his" Island back. Ben tells Widmore he will never find the Island, and that the hunt is on.

entil2001
February 19th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Review: Lost 5.6: "316" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-6.html)

Overall, this episode seemed to lack the intensity of the rest of the season to date, perhaps owing to the tight focus on one character in one time period. It almost seemed to be "plotting by numbers", which is not something that is seen on "Lost" very often (and not since the third season). Hopefully this is just a momentary lull, setting things up for much better things to come.

unluckynumber11
February 19th, 2009, 06:14 PM
When he said "My mother taught me" he was just being a smart-a**. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

it wasn't :O :O :O :O no wai

anyway
this was a very good episode, especially since we got a new Dharma Station :D :D and i <3 Mrs. Hawking :P

Darren
February 19th, 2009, 07:00 PM
There seemed to be an almost biblical undertone to this episode. Anybody else find it interesting - or at least intriguing - that aside from the flight number being 316, that John 3:16 is about sacrifice so that others might live. And John Locke has grown to that point where he believes he is/or has to be a sacrifice?
VERY much so. The note that John left for Jack read, "I wish you would have believed in me."

And the writers ... definitely seem to be building to John's resurrection once they return to the island.

So "God" (Jacob / the Island) sent John to "the world" (the mainland), and whoever believes him can be saved (by returning to the island, apparently). Reminds me of Carl's brainwashing screens, one of which read, "God loves you as he loved Jacob" (an allusion to Malachi 1:1-3 - "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated").

Is there an Esau character in LOST, the yang to Jacob's yin?

the fifth man
February 19th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Really great episode last night. I was definitely left wanting more when it ended, that is for sure. Next week can't come soon enough.

majorsal
February 19th, 2009, 07:54 PM
did anyone see the coming attractions for the next episode?

huge spoilers -
it's going to show when john kills himself. :( BUT, it looks/sounds like ben is with him!

did anyone else see that?

great ep, btw. ;)

the fifth man
February 19th, 2009, 08:06 PM
did anyone see the coming attractions for the next episode?

huge spoilers -
it's going to show when john kills himself. :( BUT, it looks/sounds like ben is with him!

did anyone else see that?

great ep, btw. ;)

Yep, I saw that too. That is why I can't wait until next Wednesday night.

retiredat44
February 19th, 2009, 10:29 PM
Actually, Ben stole Alex from Danielle and he raised her as his daughter. Biology aside he still thought of Alex as his daughter and Alex thought Ben was her father, so everything I said above still stands. Ben did tell Widmore he would kill Penny because it was Widmore's hired guns that killed Alex. The specific episode where Ben confronts Widmore is in season four.
but then Desmond would have found out if Penny was attacked while he was at Mrs. Hawkings weird house... as he and Penny were probably in constant communication..

:thoranime09:

mr_kennedy
February 19th, 2009, 11:29 PM
holy crap what an episode

my question is how did hurley know it was that plane? i mean sun and kate knew before it was going to happen, but hurley seemed to know aswell i mean wtf

however judging by the look on sayid's face he didnt

TheRandomOne
February 20th, 2009, 03:29 AM
holy crap what an episode

my question is how did hurley know it was that plane? i mean sun and kate knew before it was going to happen, but hurley seemed to know aswell i mean wtf

however judging by the look on sayid's face he didnt

I guess Ben called the cops & set Sayid up for those murders & they just happened to be going to Guam :p

Skydiver
February 20th, 2009, 04:54 AM
yeah, but i doubt he told hurley, but someone else did that's for sure, or he wouldn't have bought all 78 seats....then again, if he'd bought all those seats, why were 78 people waiting to get on a full plane????

fishy and a bit of a plot hole, but yeah it worked to explain why there were no extras on that plane (and saved money to boot)

next week will be interesting

TheRandomOne
February 20th, 2009, 05:08 AM
yeah, but i doubt he told hurley, but someone else did that's for sure, or he wouldn't have bought all 78 seats....then again, if he'd bought all those seats, why were 78 people waiting to get on a full plane????

fishy and a bit of a plot hole, but yeah it worked to explain why there were no extras on that plane (and saved money to boot)

next week will be interesting

I can just picture Sayid thinking when he saw Ben "That ****ing ******* he set me up & we are going back"

Skydiver
February 20th, 2009, 05:16 AM
wasn't sayid amenable to going back?

Then again, hurley seemed okay with it too, he just pathologically hates ben

Amalthea
February 20th, 2009, 03:13 PM
Now what would be really wild is if one of Hurley's ghosts told him to get on the plane!!

mr_kennedy
February 20th, 2009, 03:19 PM
^ charlie probably told him to go back

maybe it was sayid that beat ben up, and so ben called the cops on sayid and so they deported him

Cree
February 21st, 2009, 01:21 AM
i hope it was charlie who told hurley to go back and that would explain the guitar :D

LoneStar1836
February 21st, 2009, 04:09 PM
Does anyone else think it was ghost Charlie that told Hurley to get on the plane, maybe he told him to bring the guitar too (unless its not a guitar inside, then my theory is ruined).. Still, i thought Hurley was in prison :/I wouldn't doubt that Charlie appeared to Hurley again and told him he needed to go back like he has done in the past.

As to the guitar, yeah he might have told him to bring that as well. Though when I saw the guitar, I figured that was one of Charlie's and Hurley was bringing it because, as Ben noted to Jack, they needed to recreate as much of the original flight as possible. So the guitar represented part of Charlie like Christian's shoes being on Locke.



yeah, but i doubt he told hurley, but someone else did that's for sure, or he wouldn't have bought all 78 seats....then again, if he'd bought all those seats, why were 78 people waiting to get on a full plane????

fishy and a bit of a plot hole, but yeah it worked to explain why there were no extras on that plane (and saved money to boot)But were 78 people waiting?

I just figured those were overbooked tickets the lady was wanting Hurley to let on...an airline will overbook a flight and when some tickets don't show up you can get a seat.

Now how Hurley was able to book the entire section (first class??) ahead of time to prevent almost everyone from getting a seat is a big question. Probably some minor detail the writers don't really care about.

I wonder if we will see the people in that other section of the plane on the island? It almost seemed as if the plane didn't crash and more like the island just ripped Jack and company off the plane. :S Unless the plane is in the present and Jack and them are in the past.



Great episode overall, but it raised more questions as it answered some others....

Shan Bruce Lee
February 21st, 2009, 05:02 PM
I wonder if we will see the people in that other section of the plane on the island? It almost seemed as if the plane didn't crash and more like the island just ripped Jack and company off the plane. :S Unless the plane is in the present and Jack and them are in the past.

I got the impression that it just pulled the Oceanic 6 into the time jumps but that still could mean the plain crashed, if Frank was flying and he was pulled in with the rest of them.

The Co-pilot could conceivably take over but with the possibility that the rest of the people on the plain would wonder what was going on when a bunch of passengers disappeared into thin air, it's more likely the plane either crashed or they're all on the island.

I've got a feeling they're all on the island somewhere though, because of the scene a few episodes back where Sawyer finds a water bottle and Juliet mentions the same airline they were on.

LoneStar1836
February 21st, 2009, 09:21 PM
I got the impression that it just pulled the Oceanic 6 into the time jumps but that still could mean the plain crashed, if Frank was flying and he was pulled in with the rest of them.

The Co-pilot could conceivably take over but with the possibility that the rest of the people on the plain would wonder what was going on when a bunch of passengers disappeared into thin air, it's more likely the plane either crashed or they're all on the island.

I've got a feeling they're all on the island somewhere though, because of the scene a few episodes back where Sawyer finds a water bottle and Juliet mentions the same airline they were on. Good memory then because I don't remember that. :zelenka25:

I suppose the plane had to have crashed. It was just weird where they ended up in the lagoon and no wreckage seemingly in sight, but I do think they are in the past.

Alan Wake
February 21st, 2009, 10:06 PM
I've got a feeling they're all on the island somewhere though, because of the scene a few episodes back where Sawyer finds a water bottle and Juliet mentions the same airline they were on.

That's where it's from... When they said the airline name i knew i heard it in a past episode.

Humm... this is hurting my head thinking about it!

Skydiver
February 22nd, 2009, 08:51 AM
i'm thinking the oceanic six, with a couple others that just got caught in the crossfire (largely because the camera spent too much time on them instead of ignoring htem) likely just got pulled off hte plane

two planes crashing in a year's time over the same place???? too freaky

Alan Wake
February 22nd, 2009, 01:21 PM
What i want to know, does that mean since they found the water bottle from the plane the O6 just crashed in a few episodes back, were they already on the Island at this time?

Shan Bruce Lee
February 22nd, 2009, 04:18 PM
What i want to know, does that mean since they found the water bottle from the plane the O6 just crashed in a few episodes back, were they already on the Island at this time?

It just means that at the point when Sawyer and crew found the water bottle in their camp they were in the future.

Now I'm interested to see who was in that other canoe that was shooting at them.

basel
February 25th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Both my brother and I watched the show independently and both thought that the moment Ben said he had some loose ends to tie up that he was off to kill Penny. Also, Ben was calling from some kind of pier with fresh blood on his face. Whatever went down, it went down near a boat and last I knew, Penny was on a boat.

Also, Ben is such a habitual liar! "My mother taught me." She so did not! Ben never met his mother. I wouldn't believe Ben if he said the sky was blue.

Actually he did, not long after his dad took him to the island, there is the scene just before he meet richard for the first time, when ben (young boy) deactivates the security fence and lets the bunny run across he sees his mum then but she tells him its not time yet

Alan Wake
February 25th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Actually he did, not long after his dad took him to the island, there is the scene just before he meet richard for the first time, when ben (young boy) deactivates the security fence and lets the bunny run across he sees his mum then but she tells him its not time yet

Actually, his mother died giving birth to him. This is the reason his father hates him alot. He ment he never met his mother at all. Didn't grow up with her, ect.

The person he met on the island wasn't likely to have been her anyways, it was prob the island or the monster.

Anyways it was only a 5 second scene... how can you count that has meeting his mother anyways?

I agree that he lied during this scene though. Guess that's the only thing he knows how to do.