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GateWorld
January 10th, 2009, 10:29 PM
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Jin joins Rousseau's team in the past to find the radio tower, only to find himself flashing forward in time. In Los Angeles, Sun confronts Ben -- who offers proof that Jin is still alive. Locke puts himself at great risk to reach the Orchid station.

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AzMcNeil
February 11th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Lost just ninja'd my brain!



Side Note: First :)

JayShadow
February 11th, 2009, 08:48 PM
You know, when people tell other people to track down or say hi to their family members right before a flash, they should really start with that person's name instead of stating their relationship to that person because it never works.

Amalthea
February 11th, 2009, 09:11 PM
You know, when people tell other people to track down or say hi to their family members right before a flash, they should really start with that person's name instead of stating their relationship to that person because it never works.

True. LOL Although I wonder if when Locke came to visit Jack before Jack went nuts he saw a pic of Christian somewhere in Jack's house or office or some such place and said something to Jack?

Great episode, though! It's interesting Ma Faraday was satisfied with the number of Losties that she got from Ben, though. It sort of takes away from the whole urgency in the "we need everyone" thing. Of course, I'm sure that once they get started doing whatever they do, somehow the others will be drawn to them.

The other bit that I thought was interesting was when Sun told Ji Yeon that she had met a new friend. I'm wondering if she's thinking that Kate will come with her to Korea to escape the maternity test.

Overall, very good! Looking forward to seeing what happens next!

lunarleviathan
February 11th, 2009, 11:43 PM
So now we know for sure what the sickness is and where it is contracted, is it fair to assume that Claire and the red shirts that joined the others were also infected at the Temple?

Also, when Smokey dragged whats-his-face into the Temple he seemed to be still alive. Could it be that the purpose of Smokey is to bring people to there to be infected/reconditioned/brainwashed? Are people we've seen taken by Smokey still alive? Interesting...

Another great episode.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 12th, 2009, 05:16 AM
The reveal that Hawkings is Faraday's mother didn't really have much of an impact considering just about everybody had guessed it already.

I thought the most surprising part was seeing the wheel "skipping" like a record when Locke found it. It would be nice to see what's behind that thing.

I think Charlotte telling Daniel about him visiting her when she was a kid is what compels him to sneak into the Dharma construction site at the Orchid.

Desmond's finally back! And it's about time.

Skydiver
February 12th, 2009, 05:28 AM
has anyone been able to or tried to change time?

such as, let's say a hop takes you back to the time of the crash, then you take everyone forward to when they're rescued and avoid all the life taking moments in between....in other words can people like charlie etc, be brought back to live by 'skipping' over the time periods where they died?

Shan Bruce Lee
February 12th, 2009, 07:38 AM
has anyone been able to or tried to change time?

such as, let's say a hop takes you back to the time of the crash, then you take everyone forward to when they're rescued and avoid all the life taking moments in between....in other words can people like charlie etc, be brought back to live by 'skipping' over the time periods where they died?

According to Faraday they can't change time and even if they tried they'd fail. They kinda proved that last night when Charlotte told him about being raised in the Dharma Initiative.

She said he told her mom they had to leave and never come back or they'd die... and then she died.

Apparently Desmond is the acception to the rule because of his future visions/time traveling consciousness.

PengYn
February 12th, 2009, 08:17 AM
This episode was mindblowing!

I had so many moments of just going "eh?" followed by "whoa"

Interesting little note - In Exodus part 1, Danielle tells everyone that she and her team entered the dark territory where her team got sick, and Montand lost his arm.

Lost is definitely in the details because it seemed so random back then (and this was season one we're talking about) and now we've actually seen Montand lose his arm! That was a "whoa" moment.

I don't think they can change their fate, as has been said above, Charlotte pretty much fulfilled what Daniel said she would. Whatever Ben did, he did it wrong... and this could be totally niggly or else very important... but Locke pushed the wheel in the total opposite direction to Ben. Just sayin'

Also, the flashes seem to be coming fast and furious now. Instead of an annoyance, they actually seem painful. Surely we can't live out the rest of the season with the island jumping every 5 seconds? We'd never get any character moments that way and I think I'd start getting annoyed if it was all run and jump. Perhaps what Locke does slows down the jumps at least?

I love Ben. I mean I know he's an evil murderer and what not but they just give him the best lines ever. "I didn't account for traffic".

Sawyer and Jin were too cute with the whole male bonding thing.

Anyway great episode. More please.


Also quick question: Do we need spoiler tags for this episode at all here? Given the title, I didn't think we did?

Shan Bruce Lee
February 12th, 2009, 09:26 AM
I don't think they can change their fate, as has been said above, Charlotte pretty much fulfilled what Daniel said she would. Whatever Ben did, he did it wrong... and this could be totally niggly or else very important... but Locke pushed the wheel in the total opposite direction to Ben. Just sayin'

I noticed that but I don't know if it means anything or not.


Also, the flashes seem to be coming fast and furious now. Instead of an annoyance, they actually seem painful. Surely we can't live out the rest of the season with the island jumping every 5 seconds? We'd never get any character moments that way and I think I'd start getting annoyed if it was all run and jump. Perhaps what Locke does slows down the jumps at least?

I've got a feeling they're either gonna get back to the island either during the next episode or near the end of the episode.

knowles2
February 12th, 2009, 09:41 AM
I think the jumping speed increase the nearer they got to the orchid. If they move away from the orchid the jumping should slow down. I am surprise Faraday would not of thought that.

Overall very good episode. Sun should pulled the trigger.

What people said about smokey is an interesting theory they he takes them to the temple to be recondition. I was hoping we get to see more of rosou and her group

retiredat44
February 12th, 2009, 10:03 AM
I think the jumping speed increase the nearer they got to the orchid. If they move away from the orchid the jumping should slow down. I am surprise Faraday would not of thought that.

Overall very good episode. Sun should pulled the trigger.

What people said about smokey is an interesting theory they he takes them to the temple to be recondition. I was hoping we get to see more of rosou and her group


when Ben left the island using the wheel, he hew exactly where he was going and grabbed cold weather clothing... Locke hasn't a clue where he is going...
how did Ben steer his travel location? :cool:

Shan Bruce Lee
February 12th, 2009, 10:50 AM
What people said about smokey is an interesting theory they he takes them to the temple to be recondition. I was hoping we get to see more of rosou and her group

Smokey didn't pull them all into the temple (if that even was the temple) He just pulled the first guy and the rest followed.

PengYn
February 12th, 2009, 10:54 AM
when Ben left the island using the wheel, he hew exactly where he was going and grabbed cold weather clothing... Locke hasn't a clue where he is going...
how did Ben steer his travel location? :cool:

I think it was more that Ben took the arctic gear because it was that cold in the wheel's cavern. It's possible Ben knew his destination, but Ben landed in the middle of the desert. He's wearing that exact same coat when he suddenly appears - and I'm sorry I can't remember the episode title - in the episode where he recruits Sayid after Nadia is killed. :)

Shan Bruce Lee
February 12th, 2009, 10:54 AM
when Ben left the island using the wheel, he hew exactly where he was going and grabbed cold weather clothing... Locke hasn't a clue where he is going...
how did Ben steer his travel location? :cool:

I thought he just grabbed the jacket because it was so cold at the actual wheel. It was covered in ice the first time we saw it. And besides, it sent him to a desert.

It was kinda weird that the wheel "room" looked a little different when Locke was there. Maybe it's just because it's been set in motion.

knowles2
February 12th, 2009, 11:03 AM
Smokey didn't pull them all into the temple (if that even was the temple) He just pulled the first guy and the rest followed.

You really think that bloke was of be talking so clearly when he just had his arm rip off. No Smoky got one of them into the hole then lured the rest down their using the whole, I need your help trick.

PengYn
February 12th, 2009, 11:42 AM
'nuther random thought, and because Lost itself doesn't really do random: Nicky and Paulo aside, we don't really get introduced to characters that are insignificant or have no purpose. We met the character of Ellie in Jughead (1954). Charlotte said she grew up on the island as part of Dharma before having to leave it. Maybe Ellie is her mother?

Edited to add: Also thought maybe Ben's childhood friend Annie could be her mother too. Although it would make her a teenage mom. Tptb have said that Annie is significant, and we've yet to see that played out.

I really need to stop thinking lol

Platschu
February 12th, 2009, 12:30 PM
This season is unbelievable. I am LOST. 10/10. ;)

* * *

What I don't understand, why they don't have to bring the pilot of the helicopter back to the Island? He was there with O6 and Desmond.

Why couldn't the French woman recognize Jin in season 1 and 2?

Shan Bruce Lee
February 12th, 2009, 02:38 PM
'nuther random thought, and because Lost itself doesn't really do random: Nicky and Paulo aside, we don't really get introduced to characters that are insignificant or have no purpose. We met the character of Ellie in Jughead (1954). Charlotte said she grew up on the island as part of Dharma before having to leave it. Maybe Ellie is her mother?

Ms. Hawkings' full name is Eloise Hawking and she's about the same age as Charles Widmore. There's also the moment a few eps back where Faraday told her there was something familiar about her and we know Ms Hawkings is his mom now.

unluckynumber11
February 12th, 2009, 03:10 PM
This season is unbelievable. I am LOST. 10/10. ;)

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What I don't understand, why they don't have to bring the pilot of the helicopter back to the Island? He was there with O6 and Desmond.

Why couldn't the French woman recognize Jin in season 1 and 2?

Because that was 16 years ago, and i don't think they came into contact that much anyway. (plus she is crazy)

entil2001
February 12th, 2009, 04:44 PM
Review: Lost 5.5: "This Place is Death" (http://entil2001.com/series/lost/season5/lost5-5.html)

Overall, this episode restored the balance between emphasis on plot and character, even if the structure is less obvious than in past seasons. A lot happens along the way, and the stakes are raised in some surprising ways. The season is progressing at a blistering pace; if there was one complaint to make, it's how little time they get to spend on eras that deserve a lot more attention.

the fifth man
February 12th, 2009, 06:02 PM
What a great episode last night. This season has really been amazing thus far, at least IMO. I have no clue where this show is heading, but I don't even care right now. I am just loving the journey getting there.

majorsal
February 12th, 2009, 06:03 PM
I've got a feeling they're either gonna get back to the island either during the next episode or near the end of the episode.

but when they return, what 'time' will it be for the islander losties? has 3 years past for them too?

i love this show! :D


i'm glad the writers are softening locke's character again. i like him more the hero type. i'm very glad juliet thanked locke for what he was doing. i don't think any lostie's ever said that to him. and that scene, where jack's dad (christian?) told locke that someone would have to be sacrificed and locke just gave it a moment to think about it before saying yes (to his death)... locke's a very sad character. he might think this is his greatest achievement in his entire life... (((locke)))

majorsal
February 12th, 2009, 06:13 PM
i really felt sad when charlotte died. i haven't been that into her, but last night, it almost made me want to cry. (prob also has to do with her looking like my niece a bit).

now, charlotte said that old daniel told her to not return to the island because she would die? if i'm remembering this right, that means daniel time travels to the past to warn charlotte? (but it played out anyways)

maybe the solution to all this time traveling stuff is daniel 'sacrificing' not his life but being in a normal timeline and making everything right. who knows. :p

retiredat44
February 12th, 2009, 06:15 PM
I thought he just grabbed the jacket because it was so cold at the actual wheel. It was covered in ice the first time we saw it. And besides, it sent him to a desert.

It was kinda weird that the wheel "room" looked a little different when Locke was there. Maybe it's just because it's been set in motion.

a desert can be freezing big time at night..

the fifth man
February 12th, 2009, 06:59 PM
but when they return, what 'time' will it be for the islander losties? has 3 years past for them too?

i love this show! :D


i'm glad the writers are softening locke's character again. i like him more the hero type. i'm very glad juliet thanked locke for what he was doing. i don't think any lostie's ever said that to him. and that scene, where jack's dad (christian?) told locke that someone would have to be sacrificed and locke just gave it a moment to think about it before saying yes (to his death)... locke's a very sad character. he might think this is his greatest achievement in his entire life... (((locke)))

Yeah, that is pretty sad when you think about it.

SoulReaver
February 12th, 2009, 09:09 PM
Also, when Smokey dragged whats-his-face into the Temple he seemed to be still aliveuh no he was quite dead (Cerberus was imitating his voice)

TheRandomOne
February 12th, 2009, 09:34 PM
has anyone been able to or tried to change time?

such as, let's say a hop takes you back to the time of the crash, then you take everyone forward to when they're rescued and avoid all the life taking moments in between....in other words can people like charlie etc, be brought back to live by 'skipping' over the time periods where they died?

Sawyer is time traveling with that gun he took from the Others in the past & that boat was still there when they were in the water & they flashed to that storm instead of the boat disappearing & them ending up in the water. If Sawyer say saw & then held on to Claire if he saw her before she went missing I would think like with the gun Claire would be with them

Shan Bruce Lee
February 13th, 2009, 02:36 AM
I don't think they can change their fate, as has been said above, Charlotte pretty much fulfilled what Daniel said she would. Whatever Ben did, he did it wrong... and this could be totally niggly or else very important... but Locke pushed the wheel in the total opposite direction to Ben. Just sayin'



I noticed that but I don't know if it means anything or not.

After watching it a second time, Locke does turn the wheel in the same direction as Ben. He just doesn't turn it as far... it's more like he just puts the "needle" back on the right track.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 13th, 2009, 02:39 AM
Sawyer is time traveling with that gun he took from the Others in the past & that boat was still there when they were in the water & they flashed to that storm instead of the boat disappearing & them ending up in the water. If Sawyer say saw & then held on to Claire if he saw her before she went missing I would think like with the gun Claire would be with them

I don't think that would work. I still think what Faraday said about not being able to change the past is true. It's just that all their interactions with the Others is the way it already happened in the Others' past. Like Richard visiting Locke as a child and when he was born.

PengYn
February 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
Ms. Hawkings' full name is Eloise Hawking and she's about the same age as Charles Widmore. There's also the moment a few eps back where Faraday told her there was something familiar about her and we know Ms Hawkings is his mom now.

Ahh thank you. A light bulb just came on in my head. My brain didn't originally connect the name of Ellie with Eloise. I think it was probably due to the difference in accents - which I know can evolve over time so I have no issue with that.

Darren
February 13th, 2009, 08:52 AM
Favorite episode of the season so far. This one was awesome!

Locke's character is tragic. He goes from being almost hate-worthy to lovable and pitiable in a very short span of time. He did look like he was turning the wheel the same direction that Ben did -- he was just standing on the opposite side and pulling rather than pushing (probably b/c of his leg and leveraging abilities).

I didn't think that Charlotte was long for this world, and when she started expositing her life story we knew she was a goner. Poor, poor Daniel. Great revelation about him apparently becoming a "crazy old man" in DHARMA in the 70s -- which helps fill out the picture of him in what would be the Orchid station in the past. I'm guessing that this is his final fate at the end of the show -- to return to the past and join DHARMA to try and prevent her from returning to the island (though he supposedly knows he can't change what has already happened). Maybe he'll also need to safeguard the island and its secrets from DHARMA.

Ahhh, so that's the Temple. Smokey lives there. The apparent brainwashing of Rousseau's team would explain a lot ... Cindy, Claire, maybe even Christian Shephard.

As soon as Daniel uttered the words "find my mother" in the season premiere, I assumed she would turn out to be Ms. Hawking. No surprises there. What is a surprise -- especially to Ben at the end -- is that this connects her to Charles Whidmore (since he, or at least the people working for him [Abaddon], had hired Daniel and put him on the freighter). I think that Ben walked into that church no longer sure if he can trust her.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 13th, 2009, 09:00 AM
As soon as Daniel uttered the words "find my mother" in the season premiere, I assumed she would turn out to be Ms. Hawking. No surprises there. What is a surprise -- especially to Ben at the end -- is that this connects her to Charles Whidmore (since he, or at least the people working for him [Abaddon], had hired Daniel and put him on the freighter). I think that Ben walked into that church no longer sure if he can trust her.

That look he gave when Desmond said that was one of the rare moments where Ben has no idea what is going on or what to do.

Platschu
February 13th, 2009, 09:36 AM
Can somebody translate what did Charlotter say to Jin in Korean, when they didn't use subtitle? Was it the same, what she repeated later?

Amalthea
February 13th, 2009, 08:40 PM
Can somebody translate what did Charlotter say to Jin in Korean, when they didn't use subtitle? Was it the same, what she repeated later?

I'm pretty sure it was the same thing.

Dusk
February 14th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Only two more episodes until the mid season hiatus. I'm thinking these next two will cover Locke's journey back to the Oceanic 6 and Sawyer's group integrating into their new permanent flash now that the wheel has been fixed. This will take us to the construction of the Orchid as seen in the first episode of the season. Though what the back half of the season will hold... I really have no clue, And that's the way I like it. ;)

knowles2
February 14th, 2009, 05:25 AM
Only two more episodes until the mid season hiatus. I'm thinking these next two will cover Locke's journey back to the Oceanic 6 and Sawyer's group integrating into their new permanent flash now that the wheel has been fixed. This will take us to the construction of the Orchid as seen in the first episode of the season. Though what the back half of the season will hold... I really have no clue, And that's the way I like it. ;)

How long is the season hiatus, I thought it was suppose to run continuous this time around.

LoneStar1836
February 14th, 2009, 05:52 PM
Completely awesome episode. By leaps and bounds the best thing I watched all week on tv.

I am sad for Charlotte. And poor Daniel. :( Never really cared one way or the other for that character, especially when she was introduced, but I thought well maybe they really won't kill her even though everything pointed to that end.


Loving how they are integrating the island's past into the show, like with Rousseau's team. Evidently they can't keep this up...the time jumping...but it has been good so far as a story telling element.

majorsal
February 14th, 2009, 05:58 PM
I am sad for Charlotte. And poor Daniel. :( Never really cared one way or the other for that character, especially when she was introduced, but I thought well maybe they really won't kill her even though everything pointed to that end.


that's what it is about this show. the writing is *so* good that it can make me like even characters i originally didn't. i was so-so about desmond until i saw the one where he was time shifting all over the place. i fell for him then.

this is some awesome and intricate writing going on. the writers pay attention to *everything* and... yeah, i'm a fan. :)

Sp!der
February 15th, 2009, 10:11 AM
I just love this show, not espically this episode, but the whole season so far! sawyer and jin were so funny together ;) and I KNEW that Jin survived. I would have killed the writers, if he was dead. I dont like Sun. She should have killed Ben but with that I would hate her even more, because he is besides Desmond and Daniel my favorite character. Oh, and John is becoming better again. In the third season i hated him, and the fourth season he was so and so, untill this episode called cabin fever..after that he gained my trust again ;)
well i do not as well where the show goes, but I hope the writer does... ;)

SoulReaver
February 15th, 2009, 10:55 AM
btw anyone else think the fact that Eloise was so willing to content with only some of the losties (after all this emphasis on how all of them without exception were needed) suggests this could be a trap ? not saying she's evil or anything, but this is intriguing nonetheless

Shan Bruce Lee
February 15th, 2009, 11:01 AM
btw anyone else think the fact that Eloise was so willing to content with only some of the losties (after all this emphasis on how all of them without exception were needed) suggests this could be a trap ? not saying she's evil or anything, but this is intriguing nonetheless

My theory was that they really only needed one or two specific people. Like say Jack and Desmond.

Desmond because he has the visions and the time-traveling conscious, and Jack because, well he's the closest think to a main character and I really haven't tried to flesh the theory out lol.

TheRandomOne
February 15th, 2009, 01:55 PM
btw anyone else think the fact that Eloise was so willing to content with only some of the losties (after all this emphasis on how all of them without exception were needed) suggests this could be a trap ? not saying she's evil or anything, but this is intriguing nonetheless

Nah they need to tell what ever Lostie info they need to know so that they can help convince the rest of the Oceanic 6 to go back with them no trap is needed. The Oceanic group definitely needs more info instead of just come or all of your friends will die

ori soldier
February 15th, 2009, 02:06 PM
that was such a rubbish episode i actually laughed out loud when charlotte said daniel was that man and he pulled away and did the whole "looking confused and scared dramaticaly look" which he does every episode, also where the hell was penny she said she was going with penny but nooooo, and they had just so overdone the music locke says sun never should have left and they do the whole the dramatic omg music as if this is a revelation but weve known it for ages and its driving me crazy

on the plus side smokeys back :)

Anubis69
February 15th, 2009, 03:02 PM
John Locke. The man with the glass legs. Every season!

I also hope they haven't finished with those flashes. I WANT TO SEE THAT STATUE FULLY FORMED. Plus, it's the perfect way of explaining older mysteries while giving a little info on new ones. (Temple ftw)

Depressingly enough, Lost is the one thing I look forward to in a week. Awesome, awesome show.

Shan Bruce Lee
February 15th, 2009, 07:13 PM
that was such a rubbish episode i actually laughed out loud when charlotte said daniel was that man and he pulled away and did the whole "looking confused and scared dramaticaly look" which he does every episode, also where the hell was penny she said she was going with penny but nooooo, and they had just so overdone the music locke says sun never should have left and they do the whole the dramatic omg music as if this is a revelation but weve known it for ages and its driving me crazy

on the plus side smokeys back :)

I think Penny just said she was going with him to LA. I don't know why you expected Desmond to show up to a place like that with his wife and kid.

I'm not even sure what you're saying about the music. I like music though.

PengYn
February 16th, 2009, 05:16 AM
also where the hell was penny she said she was going with penny but nooooo,

Um... looking after her son I'd guess. Giving Desmond's experiences on the island do you honestly think he would let Penny or Charlie go there with him before he's sussed it out?


locke says sun never should have left and they do the whole the dramatic omg music as if this is a revelation but weve known it for ages and its driving me crazy

You may have known it for ages. Doesn't mean Jin did. The group on the island are only just learning that fact. So for them, it is dramatic. Yes, the season 3 finale let the audience know that for some reason Jack wanted to go back to the island, and the season 4 finale showed us a bit more and gave us a bit of a puzzle. But it's only really this season where we're learning about the why they need to go back. And that's the part that has interested me more, rather than a vague idea from previous seasons that they have to go back for some reason. So, I don't know, I guess I don't really see 4 weeks as an age.

dsigal
February 27th, 2009, 06:29 AM
Quick question: When Jin comes out of the woods onto the beach to find the two dead French guys a friend of mine swears he went back and rewatched it and paused it and the two dead guys were the same person, and not only that they were both also Robert (Danielle's baby daddy).

Did anyone else notice this? Can anyone confirm or deny?

Darren
March 4th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Weird ... they do look like they could be the same actor:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1466-170.html

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1466-172.html

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1466-174.html

EDIT:
Here's a pic of the two guys alive (standing up on the right):

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-610.html

They do look very similar when photographed from the dead body angle with the same amount of facial hair growth ... but I do think they are different.