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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 101</FONT>
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Powerful aliens come through Earth's Stargate. Colonel Jack O'Neill returns to Abydos to retrieve Daniel Jackson, who has discovered a map of Stargates revealing that the alien transit system includes much more than the two planets.

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Jeff O'Connor
May 19th, 2004, 10:53 AM
I honestly think this is the coolest series premiere of any show I've ever seen. Then again, I guess you could kind've say the movie was the series premiere!

Colonal Jack O'Teal'C
May 31st, 2004, 06:18 AM
Hi ya's,
I'm new here so forgive me if this has been covered in the past. :S Last night I decided to rip my SG-1 DVD collection and back them all up as Divx files. I started with Season 1 to make it less confusing for me. Anyways, I went back to see how the first one came out. It was Children Of The Gods. Here is my question. In the first part we see Apophis and his Ja'Fa come through the gate. After taking a hostage and shooting up the place we see them going back through. Ok, with no DHD...how in the heck did they dial back out? This is something I must have looked over many many times and just now realizing that it was impossible for them to dial out from the base at that time. Unless they accessed the computers but none of them left the gate platform. I'm thinking there should be a portable DHD written into the script to explain this. Ok, I'm done with my rant lol...... :D

Jimmy
Star Trek is dead....Long live Stargate :p

Ugly Pig
May 31st, 2004, 07:00 AM
This has been debated many, many times throughout the years Stargate fandom has existed. There isn't any one definite answer, though...

Me, I think they simply dialled out manually. It makes more sense than having them use some kind of unknown piece of technology they don't show us and haven't shown us since.

Crazedwraith
May 31st, 2004, 07:20 AM
This has been debated many, many times throughout the years Stargate fandom has existed. There isn't any one definite answer, though...

Me, I think they simply dialled out manually. It makes more sense than having them use some kind of unknown piece of technology they don't show us and haven't shown us since.

Actually he proberly used a device similar to futur Cassies' In "1969" that way he also avoids the swoosh disintergrating him. I don't think there was enough time for a manuel dial-out before Hammond and troops baraged in.

Ugly Pig
May 31st, 2004, 09:40 AM
Actually he proberly used a device similar to futur Cassies' In "1969" that way he also avoids the swoosh disintergrating him.
There's no evidence the Goa'uld have a device like that. We didn't see it then, and we haven't seen it in seven years since. If they did have a such device, then why would they keep using the DHD all the time? :)

Crazedwraith
May 31st, 2004, 09:44 AM
There's no evidence the Goa'uld have a device like that. We didn't see it then, and we haven't seen it in seven years since. If they did have a such device, then why would they keep using the DHD all the time? :)


Yeah but there wasn't enough time for his Serpent Guards to get out of the way of the whoosh mainuallly dial and get back to their nice neat positions at hte top of the ramp? I think not? Maybe Apophisis was the only goa'uld to get one. Maybe Future Cassie's thing is his??

Ugly Pig
May 31st, 2004, 09:58 AM
Yeah but there wasn't enough time for his Serpent Guards to get out of the way of the whoosh mainuallly dial and get back to their nice neat positions at hte top of the ramp? I think not?
How can you tell? The show doesn't play out in real time, you know. :p

omnian
May 31st, 2004, 10:17 AM
I agree....and Apophis also says something regarding the Stargate right before his exit scene doesn't he? He says something in Goa'uld and sort of points his head towards the Stargate. Perhaps this was a signal to his Jaffa to manually dial?

Anubis
May 31st, 2004, 10:35 AM
Yes, Apophis did say something then it cut to another scene and all we can do is guess what he said

SGSlugger
May 31st, 2004, 12:24 PM
Maybe he found an automated dailing device somewhere, and then dropped it when he left?

Really it's just one of those big honkin' plot holes.

Colonal Jack O'Teal'C
May 31st, 2004, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the replies, I was so suprised to see so many since this morning. I was thinking though....Remember the device Jack built after he gained the knowledge of the ancients. I believe it was in the second season..."The Fifth Race" I think it was. If memory serves me, did it not dial out after giving the gate a power boost to use an eighth symbol? Something along those lines perhaps? Anyway, just a thought. :S

Anubis
June 1st, 2004, 01:57 AM
You are correct. That device gave the SGC a massive energy boost which allowed them to engage a seventh chevron and lock an eigth

Ugly Pig
June 1st, 2004, 04:33 AM
Remember the device Jack built after he gained the knowledge of the ancients. I believe it was in the second season..."The Fifth Race" I think it was. If memory serves me, did it not dial out after giving the gate a power boost to use an eighth symbol? Something along those lines perhaps? Anyway, just a thought. :S
Well, if Apophis had a similar device, someone would have to go and plug it in where Jack did... And that seems very unlikely. ;)

Anubis
June 1st, 2004, 04:55 AM
I doubt that Apophis would have plugged it in somewhere, like where, in the ground? I agree, it seems unlikely

MagnoliaAnaglypta
June 1st, 2004, 07:35 AM
You are correct. That device gave the SGC a massive energy boost which allowed them to engage a seventh chevron and lock an eigth
But it didn't dial the gate itself. If I recall correctly, Jack had left a program in the SGC computer to do the dialling.

Anubis
June 1st, 2004, 08:05 AM
Indeed. Jack done some work with the computers, done some drawings and built the device. Then he walked through the gate to the Asgard homeworld

bcmilco
June 8th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Just posted this on the Cor-Ai thread, but thought it fit better over here. ;)

Frankly I find Teal'c's switch bothersome. I love Teal'c and I think his character is wonderful (especially when he gets a chance to speak! ;)), but his change just doesn't work for me. You said "people who were in a good position to combat the goa'uld." And for me that's the rub, they weren't in a good possition. They were in the crappiest possition they could be in. They were prisoners, and Teal'c had no clue how many there were, or how strong they were. To just up and take off with some nobody you just meet isn't the smartest idea, other then the fact that the script says it's the right thing to do. ;)


"Many have said that... but you are the first I believe could do it."

And that line always baffled me too, because up till then he's seen humans from earth get the crap kicked out of them by Jaffa. IMO there is no reason why Teal'c should believe that statement except for the fact that the script told him to say it. ;)

I understand it's supposed to show he's noble, and virtuous, and a good judge of character, and I did see that, but it still bothers me. ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 06:58 PM
I was wondering the samething... Thats going to bother me for a while... Maybe (even though it'll never happen) they should base an episode on Teal'c's past, pre- meeting Jack and the others.

Crazedwraith
June 9th, 2004, 02:11 AM
I was wondering the samething... Thats going to bother me for a while... Maybe (even though it'll never happen) they should base an episode on Teal'c's past, pre- meeting Jack and the others.
*cough* Threshold *cough*

MadJaffa
June 9th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Just posted this on the Cor-Ai thread, but thought it fit better over here. ;)

Frankly I find Teal'c's switch bothersome. I love Teal'c and I think his character is wonderful (especially when he gets a chance to speak! ;)), but his change just doesn't work for me. You said "people who were in a good position to combat the goa'uld." And for me that's the rub, they weren't in a good possition. They were in the crappiest possition they could be in. They were prisoners, and Teal'c had no clue how many there were, or how strong they were. To just up and take off with some nobody you just meet isn't the smartest idea, other then the fact that the script says it's the right thing to do. ;)



And that line always baffled me too, because up till then he's seen humans from earth get the crap kicked out of them by Jaffa. IMO there is no reason why Teal'c should believe that statement except for the fact that the script told him to say it. ;)

I understand it's supposed to show he's noble, and virtuous, and a good judge of character, and I did see that, but it still bothers me. ;)

Well in threshold, he tells us he joined us not because of our technology, but because of our freedon. He SAW Jack not as a Colonel who might have a couple guns cached somewhere, but as the one person he had met in his life who had tasted liberty.

He joined us because he saw we would die before giving up his rights, just like him.

bcmilco
June 9th, 2004, 12:00 PM
Well in threshold, he tells us he joined us not because of our technology, but because of our freedon. He SAW Jack not as a Colonel who might have a couple guns cached somewhere, but as the one person he had met in his life who had tasted liberty.

He joined us because he saw we would die before giving up his rights, just like him.

I know, but it took them FIVE (5) years before they got around to telling us. ;)

I'm saying in the context of the one/two episodes that is CotG. Without knowing the character, IMO they didn't do the best job setting up his eventual switch. In fact for me, all they would have needed was that one scene, from Threshold, that they filmed between Teal'c and Bra'tec where they are looking through the bars at Jack, Sam, and Daniel, talking about freedom. That one scene would have made me go "Ok, I can see that now".

Otherwise it just felt like a plot device to serve getting them out and getting Teal'c to join them. :S

Elwe Singollo
June 9th, 2004, 12:02 PM
I didn't see that episode :)

KorbenDirewolf
June 9th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Just posted this on the Cor-Ai thread, but thought it fit better over here. ;)

Frankly I find Teal'c's switch bothersome. I love Teal'c and I think his character is wonderful (especially when he gets a chance to speak! ;)), but his change just doesn't work for me. You said "people who were in a good position to combat the goa'uld." And for me that's the rub, they weren't in a good possition. They were in the crappiest possition they could be in. They were prisoners, and Teal'c had no clue how many there were, or how strong they were. To just up and take off with some nobody you just meet isn't the smartest idea, other then the fact that the script says it's the right thing to do.



I always thought he switch sides because the humans of the Tauri possessed the incredibly powerful Digital Watch.

bcmilco
June 9th, 2004, 02:01 PM
I always thought he switch sides because the humans of the Tauri possessed the incredibly powerful Digital Watch.

D'oh! You're right! How could I have missed something so obvious! ;)

Mr Prophet
June 9th, 2004, 02:17 PM
I always figured that what Teal'c meant was that he saw in Jack the potential to do what he said he could do. There's a recurrent theme in the series that Jaffa warriors learn to assess a person very quickly by looking them in the eyes. What inspired Teal'c to finally turn against Apophis was something he saw in Jack which told him that Jack's people could bring down a god.

Anthro Girl
June 9th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I always thought he switch sides because the humans of the Tauri possessed the incredibly powerful Digital Watch.

He may have switched for the Digital Watch, but it's the doughnuts that made him stay. :D

p.s. COTG is not the only time we've seen the gate opened without a DHD or the dialing computer used to do so. Cassie did it in 2010 and Freya did it in The Nox. That doesn't explain COTG, though. Didn't the Asgard do it once as well?

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 04:08 AM
Really it's just one of those big honkin' plot holes.

Yep, definately a plot hole. These often happen in early episodes of a lot of long running shows, before the creators develop the stories, and put in place certain laws that control the way things work in the later eps.

Good opening ep., though.

I've got to get it on DVD, apparently there are bits on it that don't appear on the video.

bcmilco
June 26th, 2004, 02:56 PM
Yup about 7-10 minutes worth of "missing scenes" Of course the DVD is rated R for 1 scene of nudity which wasn't even needed. :rolleyes:

Elwe Singollo
June 26th, 2004, 03:10 PM
I know... That 'top' scene sure wasnt needed, they could have just shown the head up like they did with the first girl captured.

Jprime
June 26th, 2004, 03:53 PM
Of Course It Was Needed! ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 26th, 2004, 03:54 PM
Haha, if you think it was needed, maybe it was needed, but i guess it showed that Apophis wants to see his new wife/host (or something) naked before he chooses :) Haha... What a shallow goa'uld!

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 01:42 AM
I really enjoyed COTG,and I don't care about any "Plot Holes".(For once ! ;) )
I've got it on VHS,but I want the missing scenes,so I'm set on upgrading to DVD,to see what I've missed .....not that I care one way, or the other about the "Nude" scene,but I'm just nosy about the other stuff ! :D
(Hubby will no doubt "check out" the rude bits,IMO. ;) )

Mr Prophet
June 27th, 2004, 06:55 AM
It's a bit of a shock if you aren't expecting it, I can tell you!

Bagpuss
June 28th, 2004, 01:40 PM
LOL !! At least I've been warned ! ;)
To be honest,I'm more easily offended by Symbiotes coming out of their pouches, and "Yuck", than rude bits .
Well,.......so far,at least! ;)

Mr Prophet
June 28th, 2004, 02:32 PM
It's not exactly 'eek', more just 'am I watching the right DVD? What the hell is happening?'

Bagpuss
June 28th, 2004, 03:43 PM
Um,not sure I want the full version now ! Oh well,Hubby's all set on ordering the Season 1 DVD set, ASAP,(I wonder why ! ;) ) so too late to reconsider,......Ho-Hum !

Anubis
June 29th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Season 1 DVD's are pretty cool

Ap-uat
June 29th, 2004, 05:50 PM
When i recently rewatched CoTG I found some bits that i couldn´t find a good explanation for. I´m new here so maybe/probably these have already been discussed on the forum, so I´m sorry if i repeat anything.
ok, the first thing. Every time in the episode if somebody from the SGC travelled through the gate, they all froze up. Carter explanied:
Quote: that´s the result of the compression your molecules undergo under a millisecond required for reconstitution.
I´m ok with the explanation, but that doesn´t explain why the freezing doesn´t occur in later episodes. Maybe that doesn´t happen if a person "gets used to" travelling through the gate? Does anyone have an explanation for that? And another thing i noticed. The weapons of SGC were so ineffective against the jaffa. They had to shoot at the jaffa so long before they would be taken down. In later episodes they shot at them much less and had the same effect. The armor of the jaffa looks same as in other episodes, except for the huge headgear(only Apophis´ on Heru-Ur´s jaffa wore those, right? I haven´t watched the first seasons for a while now, just started over from CoTG, so i don´t remember everything :o ), but does that give them a certain immunity against earthly weapons?
PS! My english isn´t the best so sorry for any mistakes :o

bcmilco
June 29th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Hey there, and Welcome!

The whole "freezing" thing is a very common topic, there is at least one thread in the General Discussion area (too lazy to find it for you ;)).

However, in short, they explain it away by saying: accounting for stellar drift causes a smoother ride and thus no ice. It's metioned in "Red Sky". And I think it was mentioned in s1 but I forget what episode if it was. :p

*mumbles about needing to go back and re-watch the series again.* :D

Newbie
June 29th, 2004, 07:36 PM
well....ofcourse we know that the real rason for everything..is the budget and annoyance of prolonged shoting.
How can it be explained in SG world. Well may be SGC adapted their gate energy contorl so that there won't be any freezing, or it's may be the clothes they were. And the guns...well they just modified the bullets. And yea 'the head' do protect...but just the face....so all Jaffa get killed in the chest.

I am guessing right?

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:40 PM
I like to watch this episode just to compare it to the recent episodes to see how far the series has come.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:53 PM
I like how this episode leads into the next with a cliffhanger... the goa'uld in Kalwasksy thing. They don't do they anymore.

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 05:54 PM
There's a very good reason for that... Kawalski is dead :P:P:P

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 08:44 PM
this episode is an oldie but goodie parts of rising reminded me of this ep no take me and what not...love the patch of hair think it does wonders for her figure....anyone who has the dvd knows what i mean :-P

Selmak
July 18th, 2004, 10:39 AM
huh?

Ancient
July 18th, 2004, 08:24 PM
huh?
hush my child watch the dvd all will become clear and then right after wards watch rising

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:05 PM
I don't have the DVD... patch of hair?!?!?
huh?

Bagpuss
August 10th, 2004, 08:56 PM
I (finally !) recieved my Season 1 DVD Box-set today. Having been kindly alerted about the full-frontal stuff,which the vids don't show,I sat down with Hubby to watch.
Frankly,nudity doesn't bug me,but the Ammonet Symbiote DID !!

My Squick tolerance hit max,but that's my little problem..... :o

marcus
August 10th, 2004, 09:48 PM
I don't have the DVD... patch of hair?!?!?
huh?

lol.

Some punctuation might have been useful.

TheTroj
August 11th, 2004, 06:38 AM
Quite odd...when this episode aired in Australia on free to air tv, the full frontal nudity was shown. I am kind of surprised it was censored over there.

Anubis
August 11th, 2004, 07:15 AM
Quite odd...when this episode aired in Australia on free to air tv, the full frontal nudity was shown. I am kind of surprised it was censored over there.



Yeah, I agree, strange really!

ibwolf
August 11th, 2004, 08:13 AM
Heck, I've seen full frontal nudity on the news over here in Iceland :)

Anubis
August 11th, 2004, 08:14 AM
On the news? lol Strange. If we have it in the UK, it's always shown after 9pm

Madeleine
August 11th, 2004, 11:30 PM
On the news? lol Strange. If we have it in the UK, it's always shown after 9pm

Except for A Room With A View, which is a PG and gets shown at 3pm uncut with three full frontal male nudes and a bloody murder!

Anubis
August 11th, 2004, 11:40 PM
Except for A Room With A View, which is a PG and gets shown at 3pm uncut with three full frontal male nudes and a bloody murder!


Come to mention this topic, starting this Monday (16th August) in the UK we get this new news channel called Naked News and it is presented by girls with not a single piece of clothing on. What gets me even more is a weather presenter is nude also. And the point? Talk about strange!

TheTroj
August 12th, 2004, 12:54 AM
I have heard about that. I guess the news doesn't get much coverage either?

ibwolf
August 12th, 2004, 01:55 AM
On the news? lol Strange. If we have it in the UK, it's always shown after 9pm

Yep, I remember back when strip clubs were first showing up here there were several news reports on them or something related to them and every one of those reports managed to squeeze in a couple of shot of one of the dancers 'performing' topless as a mininum.

Anubis
August 12th, 2004, 02:24 AM
Yep, I remember back when strip clubs were first showing up here there were several news reports on them or something related to them and every one of those reports managed to squeeze in a couple of shot of one of the dancers 'performing' topless as a mininum.




Yeah, it's strange really, a news channel with this. I just didn't think things like that actually happened! :)

ibwolf
August 12th, 2004, 02:44 AM
Yeah, it's strange really, a news channel with this. I just didn't think things like that actually happened! :)

They've stopped doing that by now. Broadcast laws here are quite lenient. Only 'pornography' is forbidden. And the legal definition of that (as far as one exists, it's a somewhat nebulous thing) corrisponds what is generally described as 'hard core porn'.

Anubis
August 12th, 2004, 03:04 AM
They've stopped doing that by now. Broadcast laws here are quite lenient. Only 'pornography' is forbidden. And the legal definition of that (as far as one exists, it's a somewhat nebulous thing) corrisponds what is generally described as 'hard core porn'.



Same within the UK. It can be aired, but it has to be after a specific time. Generally these sort of programs air around 12AM so kids are generally in bed. But the thing is a news channel with nude presenters? That's just stupid.

senorf
August 21st, 2004, 05:19 PM
I dont know if this has been asked b4 but i recently bought seasons 1 to 5 on dvd and after watching children of the gods after the opening few mins can anyone tell me how the Goa'uld managed to activate the stargate with no dhd or knowing that earth had a dailing computer?

Lostinmyownvoid
August 21st, 2004, 05:57 PM
There is a remote hand device which can be used to dial the gate, currently we only know it dials back to the planet of origin.

dpgiffin
August 21st, 2004, 08:40 PM
There is a remote hand device which can be used to dial the gate, currently we only know it dials back to the planet of origin.

Though if i remember correctly, we see a shot of a Jaffa in the control room dialing out, using the dialing computer. I could be wrong, but i think i recall that happening. I'll check, and if its there, i'll capture it and post a pic of it.

Erik Pasternak
August 21st, 2004, 11:40 PM
Though if i remember correctly, we see a shot of a Jaffa in the control room dialing out, using the dialing computer. I could be wrong, but i think i recall that happening. I'll check, and if its there, i'll capture it and post a pic of it.
I don't think that's in there. The hand device is the best theory, but we honestly don't know for sure.

Ugly Pig
August 22nd, 2004, 01:30 PM
Personally, I subscribe to the "they dialled out manually" theory. It's plausible, and it doesn't require Apophis to posess some unseen piece of technology.

Crazedwraith
August 22nd, 2004, 02:59 PM
Personally, I subscribe to the "they dialled out manually" theory. It's plausible, and it doesn't require Apophis to posess some unseen piece of technology.


Yeah but how did they get the power? Surely a year after the first mission the Stargate is gonna have zilch residual juice.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Being the first episode you would have thought it would be one of the best, it was good dont get me wrong, but there were alot of better episodes.

Mr Prophet
September 5th, 2004, 12:56 AM
Being the first episode you would have thought it would be one of the best, it was good dont get me wrong, but there were alot of better episodes.

The first episode is very rarely the best. Welcome to the Hellmouth is good but there are better episodes of Buffy. Premier is strong on its own terms, but Farscape got much better. A series usually hits its sweet spot when the writers have the characters and dynamics really nailed but before the ideas get stale.

Replicarter
September 5th, 2004, 03:56 AM
I was reading an article on the news show with naked presenters, its starting up in a few weeks maybe months in the UK, its done very very well in a lot of other countries.

MadJaffa
September 15th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Well I'm not quite sure how long the power would last but, General Hammond mentioned they dailed Abydos after the first team returned. They could not establish a lock, so the gate could have kept it in storage.

zats
September 19th, 2004, 05:18 PM
I love this episode. I can't say that I've ever seen a pilot for any other show (cut me some slack, people; I just now figured out how a remote control works), but I'd assume that this was one of the better ones, as pilot's go.

What was good:

a. Jack's introduction. Firstly, I love RDA in the role; he plays it WAY better than the guy from the movie (who was he, anyway? Kurt Russel? Something like that?). The movie lacked Jack-style humor, and in my humble opinion, it could've used it. I love Jack's quirky mind! Anyway, I thought that the tissue box was hilarious, and Jack's admission that his report might not have been "entirely accurate".

b. Sam's introduction. This woman rocks! Being something of a feminist, it's always wonderfully refreshing to watch someone petite and blond verbally bash someone over the head (one of my hobbies, but one that I - alas - don't get to devote as much time to as I'd like). Go Sam! (If they kill her off-permanently-I'll have to hurt someone.)

c. Daniel. Dude, cute and smart. Thanks to MS in the role, I've managed to get a friend (who's traditionally militantly anti-SG) to watch the show with me on occasion.

d. Skarra. How can you NOT like that guy?

e. Apophis. A guy that I love to hate, especially since he's become a recurring nemisis throughout the show. His hat from the dungeon scene cracks me up; Mickey Mouse, anyone?

f. And of course Ferretti, Kawalski...you know, just about everyone else.

g. Everything else.

What wasn't so good:

a. Just out of curiousity, how'd Apophis dial back to whatever hellhole he came from? :confused: The 'gate room is noticeably lacking a DHD, and I don't think that he's Nox enough to be able to mentally dial (or however Lya did it in "Enigma").

b. The scene with Sha're's implantation. Look, I know what they were trying to get across--but I think it could've been handled a little bit more tactfully. Even though it was nonsexual, that little sequence has made getting friend's parents to allow their kidlets to watch extremely difficult. Just a scene that I thought needed a little work.

c. Kawalksi's glowing eyes. :eek: I liked that guy, darn it!!! "The Enemy Within" was crushing!

Overall, a wonderful ep. A lot of character establishment needed to be done in under and hour and a half--and they did it brilliantly. Lovely. :D

Atlantian_Ancient
September 22nd, 2004, 06:45 PM
I have a question. I just got this episode from my friend (so it’s probably downloaded) and I was watching the part where they disrobe shakaka or what ever her name is. Anyways once they disrobed her she was nude and I saw it all. Was this in the original?

gange57
September 22nd, 2004, 07:03 PM
I have a question. I just got this episode from my friend (so it’s probably downloaded) and I was watching the part where they disrobe shakaka or what ever her name is. Anyways once they disrobed her she was nude and I saw it all. Was this in the original?


Yes, it was. When Stargate SG1 first aired, it was on a premium cable channel. Because Showtime's a premium channel, nudity is allowed. But since COTG aired in syndication and now on the SciFi channel, that scene gets cut.

Major Fischer
September 22nd, 2004, 08:08 PM
I have a question. I just got this episode from my friend (so it’s probably downloaded) and I was watching the part where they disrobe shakaka or what ever her name is. Anyways once they disrobed her she was nude and I saw it all. Was this in the original?

Ah, the ever present nudity question.

Yes, it was original. In later rebroadcast on other networks and channels that scene was edited out--as I believe it also was on the original VHS release of the episode. Some other episodes were edited for language or jokes, for instance the season finale had a reference to Showtime that is usually edited to say something else as well.

Phenicia
September 24th, 2004, 01:54 PM
Though if i remember correctly, we see a shot of a Jaffa in the control room dialing out, using the dialing computer. I could be wrong, but i think i recall that happening. I'll check, and if its there, i'll capture it and post a pic of it.
I doupt that they could have gotten into the control room, or dialed out from there. The computer would have been off-line for starters, and it is not like our computer dialing program resembles anything like the DHD.

Though I do remember him pressing something on his hand like one of the ring transporters, pehaps a remote dialing device could have been used. If a ring transporter can be incorporated into a ribbon devise, why not that.

Major Fischer
September 24th, 2004, 01:57 PM
I just sort of accept that it's a pilot and they're going to goof. The number of uniform mistakes in it alone is enough to make Baby Jesus cry.

SeaBee
September 25th, 2004, 05:54 AM
Ah, the ever present nudity question.

Yes, it was original. In later rebroadcast on other networks and channels that scene was edited out--as I believe it also was on the original VHS release of the episode.
Yep, I can attest to that. I have both the DVD and VHS formats, and they are different in many ways, with scenes cut out all over the place on the VHS. It also has the scene showing the symbiote entering her neck removed, just a close up shot of Apophis, and the sounds.

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 12:51 PM
Besides the nudity, I did love this episode. I miss Kuwalsky. :cool:

Uncle Dick
September 28th, 2004, 06:18 PM
I know... That 'top' scene sure wasnt needed, they could have just shown the head up like they did with the first girl captured.
Actually, you can see the nips of the air force chick through the thin dress she's wearing in Apophis' palace and on the very edge of the screen while Amonet is checking her out. Not that I look for that sort of thing…

Frankly, I would have preferred full frontal from BOTH chicks rather than neither. ;)


Yep, definately a plot hole. These often happen in early episodes of a lot of long running shows, before the creators develop the stories, and put in place certain laws that control the way things work in the later eps.
At the very end of the Stargate feature, the team manages to dial up the gate without a DHD apparent. Apophis probably managed to do the same thing… somehow. :S

This episode is interesting to watch as a transition from the movie world of Stargate to the television world. RDA is far more subdued here than in the episode which immediately follows perhaps to lessen the difference between his own and Kurt Russell's portrayals.

The ship that attacks O'Neill and company is a mystery to me. It looks like a death glider but sports a ring transport thingy and enough cargo room to carry numerous passengers. We never saw that configuration after this episode, either. Despite hewing a little too close to the movie formula for my tastes, by the end of the pilot, and the great moment there between Daniel and Jack, I was hooked.

Axle
September 28th, 2004, 06:58 PM
The ship that chases them is Snake Boy's personal Death Glider. It's a hot rod with all sorts of extra bits like a ring transporter added in.

Daniel's_twin
October 5th, 2004, 05:07 PM
Well, I may be totally off, but I think I read this somwhere. Didn't they change the symbols on the computer keyboard to Star configurations so they could dial?

Of course, this is not taking into consideration the fact that has already been brought up that the computer was probably offline. :cool:

walter_MacChevron
October 5th, 2004, 08:46 PM
yeah and i just noticed how different the stargate itself looks from th movie to the show. (didn't see the movie until I was watching S3)

Oh, and i'm glad that they did the show over the movie because of simple math.

*1 movie equals about 2 hours
*There are (going to be) 174 episodes of Stargate SG-1
*Each episode is about 42 minutes
*So in order to have as much content in the movies as SG-1 you would have to have about 61 movies!

(174 x 42 minutes each episode ((divided by)) 120 minutes (# of minutes in 2 hours)= 60.9

I DO have nothing better to do :D

JediTrilobite
October 11th, 2004, 07:15 AM
I think that the only difference I noticed was that the cheverons didn't glow.

LMichelle
October 26th, 2004, 04:59 PM
This was a good introduction to everyone's characters. Also, we learned what Daniel meant to the people of Abydos.

. . . and why he had to leave.


Lisa Michelle

GeneralJackO'Neill
October 29th, 2004, 01:12 PM
Geez, Children of the Gods, was rated R. That's one thing I hated about it.

zats
October 29th, 2004, 07:19 PM
I think that the only difference I noticed was that the cheverons didn't glow.

I think that the designs around the 'gate itself was different...and I want to say that the rings were thicker, too, but don't hold me to it.

Lord Zedd
October 31st, 2004, 04:37 AM
I honestly think this is the coolest series premiere of any show I've ever seen. !
Same here

Replicarter
October 31st, 2004, 11:56 AM
I think that the designs around the 'gate itself was different...and I want to say that the rings were thicker, too, but don't hold me to it.


Also, the top chevron, split in 2, so you could see the symbol even when it was down.

Lord Zedd
October 31st, 2004, 01:06 PM
Also, the top chevron, split in 2, so you could see the symbol even when it was down.
I got DVD volumes and from season 7 the boxset there you can see that it is still open

greytop
November 2nd, 2004, 08:42 PM
I know this has probably been said before but I don't want to go through and read all the thread.

I like how this episode continues with the movie before going itds own way.

Sam probably put in that many hours flying in the Gulf War but not as a fighter pilot. There were other kinds of pilots that flew Iraqian air space.

On a scale of 1 - 10, I would say this is was a 6.

Unas
November 17th, 2004, 11:40 PM
Should we put a Movie thread in the Season 1 folder? There are all these dangling questions from the movie.

What ever happened to Ra's two deathgliders that were left on Abydos? I'm surprised the SGC never attempted to retrieve them.

Cillasi
November 18th, 2004, 12:41 AM
Actually, Teal'c had never met anyone from Earth. The gate on Earth had been buried for thousands of years. The Goa'uld live that long, but Jaffa only live about 150 years or so. The human worlds the Goa'uld control are inhabited by primitive humans. Jack & Co. were obviously much more advanced than what he was accustomed.

It wasn't that Teal'c had such faith in Jack as a person, but he realized that these strangers were more advanced than other peoples he had met. Think of the questions Teal'c asked. He asked Skaara where he got his weapon. (This is not your weapon. Where did you get it?) He notices O'Neill's watch (This is not Goa'uld technology. Where are you from?) Daniel draws Earth's symbol in the dirt (proving they come from an unknown planet) and Teal'c erases it. (Most humans he knows are forbidden to read or write.) Teal'c gives several visual clues to SG-1 when the Goa'uld arrive. Indeed, SG-1 looks to Teal'c for clues several times.

Teal'c was already on the verge of rebelling. He didn't need a big push to do so. He already sympathized with the captives and tried to prevent their deaths. (To Skaara - your death cannot help her (speaking of Cha're).) He chose Cha're as a host because he felt she was the best of the bunch and that would prevent other deaths after which they would get to her anyway.

When Teal'c was ordered to "kill the rest" it was the last straw. His statement that "many have said that, but you're the first I've believed could do it" referred not to confidence in Jack, but confidence in their level of sophistication and technology.

Erik Pasternak
November 24th, 2004, 10:33 PM
I think that the designs around the 'gate itself was different...and I want to say that the rings were thicker, too, but don't hold me to it.
There were more rings in the movie (10, to be precise) but I don't think they were thicker.

Crazedwraith
December 6th, 2004, 04:30 AM
Also, the top chevron, split in 2, so you could see the symbol even when it was down.

And the symbols were engraved rather than stickyout-y.


Just watched CotG again, was very impressed with the music. Like the time they were going through the gate to Abydos. When everyone else goes through the music's all millitary then theres a nice light ditty when sams all google eyed over the event horizon and thens goes all drummy and military again for O'Neill.

zats
December 6th, 2004, 03:13 PM
Yes, I like the music. I've used it to accompany PowerPoint presentations, and it works surprisingly well. Applies to just about anything.

Hathor999
December 7th, 2004, 12:32 PM
I´m absolutly in love with "Children of the Gods": It´s one of my alltime favourite episodes. It´s a great introduction for the characters and the Stargate universe. It´s good into continuing the story from the movie(beside some minor errors) but opens to many new possibilities, it has a great story, looks almost as good as a big screen film (IMO never looked any other Stargate episode so expensive :D)and we had the first glimpses of the now trademark O´Neill humour.What else could I do than loving it? :)

Orpheus
December 17th, 2004, 06:45 AM
Just finished watching "Children of the Gods" for the first time in years. Now that I've completed the holes in my DVD collection I think I'm gonna try and go all the way through! I'd forgotten how fantastic the pilot was. Its especially great now looking back for nostalgic purposes. Its surprising to remember how all these things like the characters first meetings and learning about the Goa'uld first came about. It was great to see all the stuff we take for granted nowadays for the first time! Good stuff!

Iskandra
December 18th, 2004, 03:51 AM
Yes, I like the music. I've used it to accompany PowerPoint presentations, and it works surprisingly well. Applies to just about anything.
Makes me wonder what kind of presentation topics you have ;)
The music is actually a combination of the movie soundtrack and new pieces....I like it as well.

yabrefstank
December 21st, 2004, 08:22 AM
I don't think that's in there. The hand device is the best theory, but we honestly don't know for sure.

If you've ever read the novel "The Price You Pay", this can be considered "confirmed" that Apophis possessed the "portable DHD" technology. In the story, SG-1 visits a planet in which Apophis' goonies regularly visit to "take" some of the humans as a willing sacrifice to become Jaffa or other slaves of Apophis. The twist is, SG-1 gets stuck on this planet without a DHD and so they find out from the other humans that Apophis leaves the planet by way of a handheld DHD. SG-1 has to find some way to get one of these devices so that they can leave.

The book series has showed that Apophis did indeed have that sort of technology on his hands (we just haven't seen it on TV)

So I have come to the conclusion that Apophis uses one of these in COTG to dial up the gate again...

zats
December 21st, 2004, 03:25 PM
Makes me wonder what kind of presentation topics you have ;)
The music is actually a combination of the movie soundtrack and new pieces....I like it as well.

What else? Stargate!--We had to do an, and I quote, "special interest presentation". The class was confused silly (how, I ask you, do you fit eight seasons into fifteen minutes?!) but liked the music. Another girl wound up using the same music for her presentation on the history of the golden retriever. :)

Glugory
December 28th, 2004, 05:55 PM
When Teal'c switched sides like he did I just about splooged my pants.

ShimmeringStar
January 1st, 2005, 02:42 PM
Like Mr. Prophet said, the first show very rarely is the best. This one was good to establish the link to the movie and to introduce us the new characters and new actors. Wasn't the best, but it could have been lots, lots worse... :o


Frankly, I would have preferred full frontal from BOTH chicks rather than neither. ;)I guess I hadn't realized the female full frontal was there until I watched the DVD ep a few months ago. And wondered besides the fact that this was a show developed and paid for by a premium movie channel (at that time) trying to use sex to sell the ep to some viewers, was all that really necessary to get across the fact she had no clothes on? And... **coughs discreetly behind hand** where was the *male* full frontal for the female segment of the viewing population????? :D

Ajayrious
January 3rd, 2005, 10:07 AM
dont know if this has been answered before ( i dont feel like looking through 6 pages of posts )

but how the hell did Apophis and Te'alc dial the gate to leave earth in the teaser ??

Whistler
January 3rd, 2005, 10:20 AM
I'm not sure, but I think Apophis had a hand dial thing which he used to get back, I'm not totally sure though. :)

Flyboy
January 3rd, 2005, 10:46 AM
Male nudity is far more taboo.

Incidentally, I found it odd that, the female Jaffa who was carrying the symbiote who took over sharri (i cannot spell that name for the life of me) seemed to be gasping in sexual pleasure when the goa'uld within her poked its head out...

Whistler
January 3rd, 2005, 10:55 AM
Male nudity is far more taboo.

Incidentally, I found it odd that, the female Jaffa who was carrying the symbiote who took over sharri (i cannot spell that name for the life of me) seemed to be gasping in sexual pleasure when the goa'uld within her poked its head out...

Well from the pilot I guess they were thinking the show might have turned out a little differently... :eek:

Iskandra
January 3rd, 2005, 02:02 PM
Well from the pilot I guess they were thinking the show might have turned out a little differently... :eek:
Ewww...I don't want to think about that....
:eek:

Iskandra
January 3rd, 2005, 02:04 PM
What else? Stargate!--We had to do an, and I quote, "special interest presentation". The class was confused silly (how, I ask you, do you fit eight seasons into fifteen minutes?!) but liked the music. Another girl wound up using the same music for her presentation on the history of the golden retriever. :)
I've never done a presentation on Stargate at school or university (or on golden retrievers...:D), but I keep using quote of Stargate in my classes!
:)

zats
January 3rd, 2005, 03:10 PM
The other day, I said there "was nothing cruvus with me, just a fron ache!"

They didn't get it.

greytop
January 3rd, 2005, 03:28 PM
The other day, I said there "was nothing cruvus with me, just a fron ache!"

They didn't get it.
Shouldn't this be in another thread? :p

Whistler
January 3rd, 2005, 04:06 PM
Ewww...I don't want to think about that....
:eek:

Nor do I *shivver* :eek:

Iskandra
January 3rd, 2005, 04:34 PM
Shouldn't this be in another thread? :p
Nah, gotta say sorry for that, it was the answer to my OT comment...
:o

Vyse
January 13th, 2005, 05:55 PM
About the DHD thing, if you read the SG-1 book, "The Price You Pay" one of the major things in it is that a Jaffa leader has a kind of portable DHD. That's probably what Apophis had! You have to search everywhere for these answers! ;)

FTO_dude
January 25th, 2005, 05:20 PM
I have found the answer to the apophis dial outy thingy. in small victories, when thor comes through the gate he talks for a while then it shuts down as it should but then when he leaves all he does is activate some wrist device and a wormhole opens without the whoosh, as the goa'uld are scavengers of technology they probably stole it from the asgard.

Major Fischer
January 25th, 2005, 05:25 PM
I have found the answer to the apophis dial outy thingy. in small victories, when thor comes through the gate he talks for a while then it shuts down as it should but then when he leaves all he does is activate some wrist device and a wormhole opens without the whoosh, as the goa'uld are scavengers of technology they probably stole it from the asgard.

And he never has it again? I think the easier answer is just to acknowledge that it is one of many storyholes or production mistakes made in the series pilot. Almost all shows have them.

Sha're
February 10th, 2005, 02:09 PM
CJ is the best thing about these episodes. I have to admit when I first watched them so many moons ago I despaired at the whole first scene between sam and jack - all that sexual organ stuff bleuch. But Teal'c betraying Apophis gives me a lump in my throat every time I see it - he is the star.

SmartFox
February 14th, 2005, 11:55 AM
I would really like to see some one use a hand held dialing device. Maybe we could even get one.

On a some what related note why is it that we never get stuck on worlds without DHDs. I know they cant check with the MALP on all of the worlds because on some worlds the DHD is hidden from view. Such as Game Keeper its up and to the side of the Stargate. And there has to be some worlds like ours that doesnt have a DHD.

Flyboy
February 14th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Wholeheartedly agree! When T say's "I have no where to go"... great moment!

GatetheWay
February 14th, 2005, 01:27 PM
I would really like to see some one use a hand held dialing device. Maybe we could even get one.

On a some what related note why is it that we never get stuck on worlds without DHDs. I know they cant check with the MALP on all of the worlds because on some worlds the DHD is hidden from view. Such as Game Keeper its up and to the side of the Stargate. And there has to be some worlds like ours that doesnt have a DHD.

Apparently after 'Learning Curve' when they got the naquadria generator design, not having a DHD didn't become a problem anymore. In 'New Ground' they were going to use one to start up the Gate without a DHD.

SmartFox
February 16th, 2005, 10:42 PM
I have another question. Remember how Kwalsky got the Symbiote in him from the dying jaffa. How come we never see any Symbiotes do that now?

Im_just_guessing
February 16th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Everyone aims for the pouch now. When ever Jaffa get show, you ALWAYS see them hit in the pouch. But they didnt know about that back then.


Edit: I think its sad that we both have to have disclaimers in our sigs.

SmartFox
February 17th, 2005, 07:50 AM
LOL yea that is pretty bad. Its not for this forum YET. But some people take things to seriously.

You never see them shoot at the head. Of course that my become to bloody for TV if they did.

Im_just_guessing
February 17th, 2005, 11:46 AM
They always go for the lower part of the chest though, never the upper part.

Mr Prophet
February 17th, 2005, 12:06 PM
They always go for the lower part of the chest though, never the upper part.

Easiest place to put the squibs.

ccrco
February 22nd, 2005, 12:45 PM
Does anyone know the names and/or ranks of the five soldiers/airmen who were playing cards at the beginning of the episode?

hermajesty
February 25th, 2005, 10:56 AM
My friend lent me the season 1 box set so I finally saw Children of the Gods. And then decided to watch a couple of scenes again, and ended up seeing the whole episode twice in a row!

Things i love about this episode (roughly in chronological order):
1. Jack's friendship with Kawalsky. They work so well together - it was kind of bittersweet in retrospect, knowing what would happen to Kawalsky.
2. When Hammond was sending the bomb through. Jack: "There are innocent people on that planet." Hammond: "There are innocent people here!" Lol - i'll have to think about that one.
3. Meeting Sam Carter. I had just watched mobieus so i got the "Just because my reproductive organs are on the inside instead of the outside - what kind of person would actually say that?" joke completely the opposite way round to everyone else! But honestly, who actually says "It is appropriate to refer to someone by their rank, not their salutation?! She deserved the CaptainDoctor joke.
4. Sam to Daniel: "I knew i'd like you"
5. Daniel's speach on leaving Abydos - so sad, so sweet, so Daniel.
6. Daniel and Jack's conversation at Jacks house. I loved Danny's "This beer's going straight to my head". Although on closer viewing i realised we hardly see him drinking any, he just waves the bottle around a lot!

I think this episode establishes the characters and relationships really well.

Luke80a
February 26th, 2005, 01:18 PM
If you've ever read the novel "The Price You Pay", this can be considered "confirmed" that Apophis possessed the "portable DHD" technology. In the story, SG-1 visits a planet in which Apophis' goonies regularly visit to "take" some of the humans as a willing sacrifice to become Jaffa or other slaves of Apophis. The twist is, SG-1 gets stuck on this planet without a DHD and so they find out from the other humans that Apophis leaves the planet by way of a handheld DHD. SG-1 has to find some way to get one of these devices so that they can leave.

The book series has showed that Apophis did indeed have that sort of technology on his hands (we just haven't seen it on TV)

So I have come to the conclusion that Apophis uses one of these in COTG to dial up the gate again...

The Jaffa could have dialed out manually, it would not take any longer than two or three minutes.

Im_just_guessing
February 26th, 2005, 01:35 PM
3. Meeting Sam Carter. I had just watched citizen joe so i got the "Just because my reproductive organs are on the inside instead of the outside - what kind of person would actually say that?" joke completely the opposite way round to everyone else! But honestly, who actually says "It is appropriate to refer to someone by their rank, not their salutation?! She deserved the CaptainDoctor joke.


Wasnt that Moebius Part 1?

Luke80a
February 27th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Wasnt that Moebius Part 1?

Yes, it was.

Im_just_guessing
February 27th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Not Citizen Joe.

hermajesty
March 3rd, 2005, 11:45 AM
Sorry guys, you're right. Twas mobieus. I'll edit the post.

jyh
March 3rd, 2005, 07:22 PM
[QUOTE=Whistler]I'm not sure, but I think Apophis had a hand dial thing which he used to get back, I'm not totally sure though. :)


My son wondered about this too. Did the wormhole ever disengage, or was it open the entire time the Goa'uld was in the SGC? If that's the case, then the show broke canon by having people go the wrong way through the wormhole (coming TO earth and then LEAVING earth in the same wormhole).

Uber
March 4th, 2005, 01:12 AM
My friend lent me the season 1 box set so I finally saw Children of the Gods. And then decided to watch a couple of scenes again, and ended up seeing the whole episode twice in a row!

Things i love about this episode (roughly in chronological order):
1. Jack's friendship with Kawalsky. They work so well together - it was kind of bittersweet in retrospect, knowing what would happen to Kawalsky.
2. When Hammond was sending the bomb through. Jack: "There are innocent people on that planet." Hammond: "There are innocent people here!" Lol - i'll have to think about that one.
3. Meeting Sam Carter. I had just watched mobieus so i got the "Just because my reproductive organs are on the inside instead of the outside - what kind of person would actually say that?" joke completely the opposite way round to everyone else! But honestly, who actually says "It is appropriate to refer to someone by their rank, not their salutation?! She deserved the CaptainDoctor joke.
4. Sam to Daniel: "I knew i'd like you"
5. Daniel's speach on leaving Abydos - so sad, so sweet, so Daniel.
6. Daniel and Jack's conversation at Jacks house. I loved Danny's "This beer's going straight to my head". Although on closer viewing i realised we hardly see him drinking any, he just waves the bottle around a lot!

I think this episode establishes the characters and relationships really well.
Another thing I loved was Carter's MacGyver reference after arriving on Abydos.

She was examining the DHD on Abydos with a look of awe:
Carter: Amazing. This is what was missing from the dig at Giza. This is how they controlled it. It took us 15 years and 3 superconductors to MacGyver a system for the gate on Earth.

That line cracks me up... :D

...but then I'm easily amused... :cool:

Im_just_guessing
March 4th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I like how Oneill just dismisses the MacGyver remark with a yeah whatever...

Major Fischer
March 4th, 2005, 05:23 PM
My son wondered about this too. Did the wormhole ever disengage, or was it open the entire time the Goa'uld was in the SGC? If that's the case, then the show broke canon by having people go the wrong way through the wormhole (coming TO earth and then LEAVING earth in the same wormhole).

There are number of "wrong" things in the pilot. Among them, O'Neill is escorted into Stargate Command by someone wearing both major's leafs and sergeant's stripes on the same uniform, and Hammond is wearing a hat indoors.

Mr Prophet
March 5th, 2005, 12:25 AM
There are number of "wrong" things in the pilot. Among them, O'Neill is escorted into Stargate Command by someone wearing both major's leafs and sergeant's stripes on the same uniform, and Hammond is wearing a hat indoors.

Maybe he was about to go out?

yasureubetcha
March 5th, 2005, 12:41 AM
I just saw it again today on Scifi--it was so funny going all the way back, with all the shots of Teal'c looking menacing, and the part where Kettering's laying there and the symbiote comes out...it's all so slow and built-up. It's hard to be patient and remember that when it came out people had never seen a symbiote, let alone an implantation, before. It was pretty funny.

Goa'uldilocks
March 5th, 2005, 02:20 AM
Haha, if you think it was needed, maybe it was needed, but i guess it showed that Apophis wants to see his new wife/host (or something) naked before he chooses :) Haha... What a shallow goa'uld!

Hey, he's gotta look at her for the next several millennia, of course he wants to know what he's getting! ;)

(That "kill the rest" thing, how stupid. You run all over the galaxy picking the cream of the host crop, then you kill them all? Bzuh?)

Reona
March 5th, 2005, 01:48 PM
I just saw the first episode myself a day ago. It was rather weird to see everything backwards. Jack and Sam snapping at each other was the weirdest because they always seemed so in tune with each other. I couldn’t reconcile the two views. Although I’m happy that I’ll finally get to see the first and second season that I missed before, I was rather annoyed when they didn’t continue through with season 7 during the 5:00 o’clock time slot on Sci-fi (that’s central time for me people). Here I was gearing up for Daniel’s return in Fallen only to be thrown back to Children of the Gods!

Sam was a hoot and I can’t wait to see how she’ll evolve into the character I’m used to. Jack was just how I would imagine him in the beginning; slightly rougher than seen later. Daniel was awesome and I loved the good-bye scene between him and the Abydos people. Teal’c was properly scary.

I love the MacGyver remark! :D

Now, the Stargate did turn off after Apophis and Teal’c came through and fought with the SFs. There would have been time to manually dial out while everyone was rushing to the Gateroom or Apophis could have had a hand-held DHD as seen later. We just think it’s wrong because we didn’t get to see him dial out.

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Maybe he was about to go out?

While he's 28 floors under a mountain? It's really a ... nono at least in the US military. And you don't salute indoors either, which both Sam and Jack do.

Mr Prophet
March 5th, 2005, 02:52 PM
While he's 28 floors under a mountain? It's really a ... nono at least in the US military. And you don't salute indoors either, which both Sam and Jack do.

You know how it is. You're all set to go and then the phone rings, then you go upstairs, but you have to come right back down the lift again to get your car keys, then some underling tells you the Earth is being invaded, so you're hovering and keeping the hat on so you can make a dash for it at the slightest opportunity...

Or not.

So what do you do indoors, just nod and smile? Or is there an alternative protocol?

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 02:57 PM
You know how it is. You're all set to go and then the phone rings, then you go upstairs, but you have to come right back down the lift again to get your car keys, then some underling tells you the Earth is being invaded, so you're hovering and keeping the hat on so you can make a dash for it at the slightest opportunity...

Or not.

So what do you do indoors, just nod and smile? Or is there an alternative protocol?

As I recall there are some slight differences between the services, but I believe the air force follows the pattern that I know. You only salute indoors if you are under arms (at which point you wear a hat as well). Otherwise you simply come to attention.

Mr Prophet
March 5th, 2005, 02:59 PM
As I recall there are some slight differences between the services, but I believe the air force follows the pattern that I know. You only salute indoors if you are under arms (at which point you wear a hat as well). Otherwise you simply come to attention.

Thanks. So, was Hammond wearing the hat when people saluted him?

Major Fischer
March 5th, 2005, 03:05 PM
Thanks. So, was Hammond wearing the hat when people saluted him?

No, actually I think (haven't seen the episode in a while) that Sam salutes Jack when she first walks in, and Jack randomly salutes... I guess hammond but it really just seems like they thought the camera shot would look nice since he was in his dress uniform. ;)

Hammond has the hat on when Apophis comes through... there are a bunch of odd uniform things during the first two seasons actually. i assume before they got a military adviser. Whenever they're in BDUs during the first two seasons they're wearing the wrong color undershirts (army brownish instead of black), and if you look at the prison scene in Hathor Sam's captain's bars rotate on her collar (I think from right, to wrong, to right again). Though Janet's are on correctly.

Which makes no escuse for the fact that apparently Janet ignored hair regs for ... well, two seasons.

yasureubetcha
March 5th, 2005, 11:33 PM
Wow, you know your stuff. So I have a question with some Season 8/9? spoilers in it (kind of OT, but I haven't seen it answered anywhere else):
So if Jack leaves to become head of Homeworld Security and is no longer Sam's direct superior, are the regs any different regarding a relationship? My friend and I have an argument going on this topic, and neither of us knows what we're talking about at all :p. You seem like you do; can you enlighten me?

couchpotatergater
March 6th, 2005, 01:25 PM
Just watched this again; it's like getting the old favourite family photo album out :) Dodgy outfits & strange behaviour, but ahhhh, the good old days ;)
I wish, wish, wish, I'd seen this as a premiere.
I've just finished watching my S8 DVD & enjoyed it, but I was still worried about where the show was going.
I can safely say to anyone feeling the same, go back & be nostalgic, enjoy the plot holes (that weren't then, but are now!), RDAs hair dye & Sam's feminist rant! Great stuff :D

Im_just_guessing
March 6th, 2005, 08:05 PM
That was dyed? I always thought we caught him at the begining of greying.

couchpotatergater
March 7th, 2005, 10:49 AM
That was dyed? I always thought we caught him at the begining of greying.
I'm pretty sure it is, as it went from solid medium brown to salt 'n' pepper really quickly.
Having gone rather snowy myself, & dabbled with the dye I have experience of the various stages :rolleyes:
It looks to me as though he let it grow though when there still wasn't that much grey, but his own natural colour looks darker than his hair was in S1.
I much prefer a bit of the silver fox :D

Metarock Sam
March 7th, 2005, 01:19 PM
I watched this ep earlier 2 day. on DVD again. Great start to the season introducing the characters whilt ending on a cliffhangert plus we got some Nuddy action Shar'e. 10/10 (shame the DVD was a 18 though :( )

Ziu
March 7th, 2005, 01:51 PM
This episode was very good regarding the intro of the characters and was only fair regarding the accuracy in it's story.

1. - How did the Goa'uld know how to dial out ? There was no dialing device.

2. - Major Kowalski was a Lt Colonel in the movie.

3.- Major Kowalski at times had Captain bars insignia.

4.- Major Kowalski had Captain bars and was called Captain just before he got taken over by the Goa'uld.

Point 3 was in episode 101 and 102. Point 4 was in episode 102.

Any comments ??
Just don't come back with "so what"

Mr Prophet
March 7th, 2005, 01:58 PM
This episode was very good regarding the intro of the characters and was only fair regarding the accuracy in it's story.

1. - How did the Goa'uld know how to dial out ? There was no dialing device.

The Goa'uld have been dealing with Gates for millennia; they know how to dial them without a DHD. Call it a manual dial out, call it a portable quick-dial doohicky, they had it.


2. - Major Kowalski was a Lt Colonel in the movie.

Ra was an angry Grey and Major Ferretti was a Lieutenant; not a bad career curve for one year.


3.- Major Kowalski at times had Captain bars insignia.

4.- Major Kowalski had Captain bars and was called Captain just before he got taken over by the Goa'uld.

Season 1 was all over the prop mistakes and they've never been good at ranks. Lt. Grogan was called Sergeant in The Sentinel, despite being an academy graduate.

Major Fischer
March 7th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Any comments ??
Just don't come back with "so what"

They didn't have a military adviser or the support from the air force that they had in later years, and the only person on the show at the time with a military background was Don S. Davis.

They made mistakes galor...

Major Fischer
March 7th, 2005, 02:03 PM
Wow, you know your stuff. So I have a question with some Season 8/9? spoilers in it (kind of OT, but I haven't seen it answered anywhere else):
So if Jack leaves to become head of Homeworld Security and is no longer Sam's direct superior, are the regs any different regarding a relationship? My friend and I have an argument going on this topic, and neither of us knows what we're talking about at all :p. You seem like you do; can you enlighten me?

My understanding is that it would still not be considered appropriate. Jack would still have control over Sam's career, and still be in her chain of command.

When I was associated with the service, one of the things I had to be able to recite during an inspection, along with the serial number of my weapon and minutia of military history, I had to be able to repeat my chain of command from my squad leader through their commanders up to the Secretary of the Army, the Secretary of Defense and the President of the United States. It would be just as inappropriate for me to have a relationship with the person two steps above me as one step above me.

Mr Prophet
March 7th, 2005, 02:08 PM
My understanding is that it would still not be considered appropriate. Jack would still have control over Sam's career, and still be in her chain of command.

When I was associated with the service, one of the things I had to be able to recite during an inspection, along with the serial number of my weapon and minutia of military history, I had to be able to repeat my chain of command from my squad leader through their commanders up to the Secretary of the Army, the Secretary of Defense and the President of the United States. It would be just as inappropriate for me to have a relationship with the person two steps above me as one step above me.

So, technically speaking the President can't sleep with any soldiers at all?

You know. If any given president wanted to.

Major Fischer
March 7th, 2005, 02:19 PM
So, technically speaking the President can't sleep with any soldiers at all?

You know. If any given president wanted to.

Yes, that would be my understanding.

Sith Lord Chaos
March 7th, 2005, 11:51 PM
Did anyone else notice that there's a Tok'ra in CotG? If you look closely the Goa'uld that picks Skaara to be a host appears to be Conshu, the Tok'ra from "The Other Guys" I Don't know if this has been covered before or if it is him for sure, but he sure does look like him.

Unas
March 8th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Did anyone else notice that there's a Tok'ra in CotG? If you look closely the Goa'uld that picks Skaara to be a host appears to be Conshu, the Tok'ra from "The Other Guys" I Don't know if this has been covered before or if it is him for sure, but he sure does look like him.

Did you check the credits to see if its the same actor? Someone here once posted that Zipacna appeared and pointed to the credits and a goa'uld that looked like him. Makes sense in that he is a lieutenant of Apophis.

Unas
March 8th, 2005, 05:02 AM
Yes, that would be my understanding.

I dont think the Army Secretary is in the chain of command. It skips from the army chief of staff to the Defense Secretary. Its similar to why the VP isnt in the chain either. Hoover's VP once tried to order a private to evict the Bonus Marchers back in the 30s. The private ignored him since the VP wasnt in the chain.

Major Fischer
March 8th, 2005, 06:30 AM
I dont think the Army Secretary is in the chain of command. It skips from the army chief of staff to the Defense Secretary. Its similar to why the VP isnt in the chain either. Hoover's VP once tried to order a private to evict the Bonus Marchers back in the 30s. The private ignored him since the VP wasnt in the chain.

At the time i had to know those things, the Army Sec was in my chain of command. I remember it because at the time his name was Tugo West. It may not be the case anymore, or it may not be the case outside of training commands, it was a long time ago.

yasureubetcha
March 8th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Maybe Conshu's host had a twin brother :p, and when his bro was taken as a host, it inspired him to join the Tok'ra and fight the Goa'uld, similar to Danny's motivation for joining the SGC.

Sun
March 8th, 2005, 11:50 AM
I like this show. I can't wait to read and watch this show. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Sun
March 8th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Hello people, I am now just going to read this. Have fun to all of you. :D :D :) :) :)

Sith Lord Chaos
March 8th, 2005, 12:44 PM
Say what?? :S

Sith Lord Chaos
March 8th, 2005, 08:24 PM
My buddy that was in the Army, was telling today me that they never ever salute indoors, It could be the President and you don't salute him Indoors. And No one wears a hat Indoors, because you aren't allowed to wear cover indoors. And unless an officer addresses you directly you don't have to come to attention indoors.

Im_just_guessing
March 8th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Maybe everyone treats the Gateroom like outdoors?


Because...ehh I give up...

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 05:47 PM
The episode was good but the costumes were a little over the top

yasureubetcha
March 9th, 2005, 07:06 PM
EVERYTHING was over the top, that's what's so awesome about old eps. of almost anything. For instance, I just saw the first few episodes of ST:DS9 for the first time, and everything is so different and kind of cheesy.

Hey, isn't there a clip of Sam saluting indoors in the credits? That's funny...

tryxy
March 16th, 2005, 04:26 PM
A fabulous premier ep that got me hooked on Stargate the second MS step on screen.

The reason I checked it out tho was RDA I was a McGyver fan and the chance to see him in something new I could not pass up.

shinyredpants
March 17th, 2005, 07:40 AM
i watched it just cuz it was stargate...actually no..i hated the stargate movie but my dad and i decided to give it a chance! however after watching the premiere a few times i really like children of the gods now!

jckfan55
March 17th, 2005, 06:17 PM
My buddy that was in the Army, was telling today me that they never ever salute indoors, It could be the President and you don't salute him Indoors. And No one wears a hat Indoors, because you aren't allowed to wear cover indoors. And unless an officer addresses you directly you don't have to come to attention indoors.
But on the other hand, aren't you supposed to wear a hat outside? I think in one of the commentaries for a later season the director wanted to do an outside scene with the characters in their AF uniforms, but didn't want their hats to hide their faces so shot without hats. The AF advisor told him he couldn't do that, so they had to re-shoot.
Would you come to attention as a sign of respect even if you didn't have to?

Major Fischer
March 17th, 2005, 06:22 PM
But on the other hand, aren't you supposed to wear a hat outside? I think in one of the commentaries for a later season the director wanted to do an outside scene with the characters in their AF uniforms, but didn't want their hats to hide their faces so shot without hats. The AF advisor told him he couldn't do that, so they had to re-shoot.
Would you come to attention as a sign of respect even if you didn't have to?

In the commentary in question, PDL's objection was that he thought the hats were UGLY not hiding faces. It was one of those moments where I didn't enjoy his commentary on the episode.

jckfan55
March 17th, 2005, 06:38 PM
In the commentary in question, PDL's objection was that he thought the hats were UGLY not hiding faces. It was one of those moments where I didn't enjoy his commentary on the episode.
That's right--it comes back to me now. It was the women's hats, wasn't it? That was kind of narrow minded of him. As for me, I don't think they're ugly.

Major Fischer
March 17th, 2005, 06:40 PM
That's right--it comes back to me now. It was the women's hats, wasn't it? That was kind of narrow minded of him. As for me, I don't think they're ugly.

It's the Prodigy commentary. He went on at great length about how they looked like macdonald's hats. I found it rather disrespectful, and it made him sound ignorant.

jckfan55
March 17th, 2005, 06:47 PM
It's the Prodigy commentary. He went on at great length about how they looked like macdonald's hats. I found it rather disrespectful, and it made him sound ignorant.
He was probably *trying* to be funny. No sale.
A bit OT: What is the rule for what hat you wear when? Sometimes they wear the visored ones and sometimes they wear the angular kind. Can't think if there is a special term for it. :S

Major Fischer
March 17th, 2005, 06:53 PM
He was probably *trying* to be funny. No sale.
A bit OT: What is the rule for what hat you wear when? Sometimes they wear the visored ones and sometimes they wear the angular kind. Can't think if there is a special term for it. :S

There are a bunch of terms for both, but generally the one with the brim is a peak or visor cap (or cover), and the one that is flat and foldable is a garrison cap.

Both can be worn with class A or class B uniforms (blues with or without the jacket). The visor cap is a bit more formal and is worn generally more formally. The garrison cap has the advantage of being able to be shoved in a pocket, under a shoulder strap, or in a belt. When you have to keep track of a hat, this gives it a great deal of advantage.

Also, the women's version of a visor hat is... not particularly popular. I believe the only time Sam's worn it was in Between Two Fires.

jckfan55
March 17th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Thanks for the info.

alexia_star_2002
March 25th, 2005, 08:30 PM
My buddy that was in the Army, was telling today me that they never ever salute indoors, It could be the President and you don't salute him Indoors. And No one wears a hat Indoors, because you aren't allowed to wear cover indoors. And unless an officer addresses you directly you don't have to come to attention indoors.

Certain branches of the military do and don't salute indoors....but for the life of me, I can't remember which do and don't for sure. I think the Army does not, but the Air Force and Navy do.

yenny8a
March 27th, 2005, 06:06 AM
Hey I just watched the Ep 1, Season 1 of Stargate Atlantis.

Which made me think back to Ep 1, Season 1 of Stargate SG-1, "Children of the Gods".

And which made me decide that I SG-1 was done much better lol. The main thing is character development. SG-1 may have had the benefit of the movie, but still, the character introduction was done very thoroughly. While in Atlantis they get right into the action without much emphasis on character. Hmm, also I never liked the idea of Dr Weir at the helm of Atlantis. No, it's not because she's a woman, I like women. I just have a problem with civilians. It just doesn't click for me - and also she seems too young. Someone older, wiser, a bit round, and bald with a blue short sleeved shirt would be more fitting :D

I'm not resisting it cos it's new...the character set just seems a bit weak.


It's the Prodigy commentary. He went on at great length about how they looked like macdonald's hats. I found it rather disrespectful, and it made him sound ignorant.
macdonald's hats , lol. i never noticed what hats they wear at macdonalds. don't they just wear baseball caps? or is it just here?

Ziu
March 27th, 2005, 06:39 AM
I don't like SGA that much either. SG-1 is still the standard. Also my dislike is because of SGA rehashing old SG-1 stories.
Example: They encountered fog on one of the planets. The fog turned out to be living beings.
This is a take on the SG-1 episode were the Russian stargate malfunctioned because it connected to a waterplanet were the water turned out to be liveing beings.

Atlantis is currently just a rip-off of SG-1.

Katerine
April 2nd, 2005, 03:29 PM
Well, after seeing the first seven seasons, I decided to start watching from the beginning while waiting for S8 to come out on DVD. Trying to take my time, so I'll probably post two or three of these "retrospective" reviews a week. Will also try to read past reviews later - will definitely read later ones. Hopefully this will not eat up all of my time. :)

Wow. This must be the first sci-fi show I've ever seen where, after seeing seven seasons, I didn't re-watch the pilot thinking, "What is this?" Usually there's so much change in both plot and character development (but mostly character), that the pilot seems completely foreign.

It's to TPTB's credit that, for the most part, the characters and the plot have stayed so consistent over the course of the seasons. Sure, the characters - especially Daniel - have grown over seven years (as they should), and usually in the right direction (except for Sam, but we'll leave that for another review). And many aspects of Stargate's plot were introduced very well here, and most of the details were not contradicted in later episodes, which is rare for pilot episodes.

A few things especially worthy of mention:
I loved how they managed to introduce each of the four main characters, and give them roughly equal treatment. It's the "equal treatment" part that really amazes me, and I wish we'd seen more of that in later seasons (equal treatment within a single episode, that is, instead of episodes that showcase one character at a time). And we already get to see little hints of the team dynamics and relationships that would make Stargate such a great show to watch. Not just between Jack and Daniel (although that was the most obvious example), but also some hints of the future relationships between Jack and Sam, and Sam and Daniel, and Jack and Sam and Daniel, and Jack and Teal'c.
And they managed to do this, and forward an exciting plot, that would kick off the main mission for the entire first season. Top-notch writing and acting - looked like they'd already been doing it for years.


There were a couple of blink-and-you-miss-it details that I enjoyed. There was one point where Daniel rattles off something like, "The boys have been guarding the gate in shifts, 36 hours a day, every day." And on Chulak, Kowalski says something like, "Rise and shine! The sun - suns are shining."

There were a couple of things, though, that distracted me...
On Abydos, when the team first comes through the gate, they have a standoff with the boys guarding the gate. Daniel comes in and yells, "Chahari! Chahari. Lower your guns." Then the boys lower their guns - after Daniel has helpfully translated the instruction from their own language into English.


"Kree" still bothers me. I know in a later episode Daniel says it means, "Listen up! Attention!" So why is it that it's never followed up with any further instruction? And how is it that when Apophis says it to Teal'c, Teal'c interprets it to mean, "get rid of the gun?"


Apophis himself is kind of... is he supposed to look impotent when he's actually going for "furious?" Because that's how he looks. The actor plays the host well in that ep where he's dying, so it's probably not the fault of the acting... And what's with the death-grip he has on Amaunet's hand while they're approaching the DHD on Chulak?

All in all, excellent for a pilot episode. Great intro to the plot and the main characters. 8 of 10.

greytop
April 6th, 2005, 08:41 PM
Just watched this episode again but I don't wast time in reading all of the thread. Teal'c had asked them where they were from and Daniel drew the symbol for Earth. Teal'c then drew the end of is staff weapon through it. My question is, Why did he do it?

corey2002
April 6th, 2005, 08:45 PM
ether reading was illegal like in the movie, or teal'c didnt believe him.

yasureubetcha
April 6th, 2005, 09:52 PM
"Kree" still bothers me. I know in a later episode Daniel says it means, "Listen up! Attention!" So why is it that it's never followed up with any further instruction? And how is it that when Apophis says it to Teal'c, Teal'c interprets it to mean, "get rid of the gun?"


Maybe for the same reasons Jack can say "Carter" or "Daniel" in a certain tone and they know based on context what he means. Teal'c understands Goa'uld inflection and we don't, that's all.

SHoNUFF
April 9th, 2005, 09:27 PM
I was just RE-Watching the Pilot Episode when i noticed something at the end that had NEVER noticed B4. Cawolskie (sp?) get taken host then goes threw the gate and his eyes glow...... now i know your prolly thinkn no biggie; but only the GOULDz eyes glow not the JAFAs. The infant gould didnt mature as soon as the jafa it came from died. Then i started thinking, its happend in quite a few other episodes as well. -PEACE :cool:

Katerine
April 9th, 2005, 09:48 PM
SHoNUFF:
First, welcome to the forum :)

Re: your question: Jaffa are not hosts. They are incubators for infant Goa'ulds. The infant Goa'uld normally doesn't take a host until it's mature.

But when the Jaffa that it was in died, this particular Goa'uld had no choice but to take a host. It took Kowalski. At that point, Kowalski became, not a Jaffa (which isn't really possible without Goa'uld technology), but a host to an infant Goa'uld.

That's why his eyes glowed. He was a host.

The reason it could only take control of Kowalski some of the time (and not all of the time) was that it was only an infant and not able to take over a host completely.

HTH :)

Seastallion
May 14th, 2005, 06:13 AM
Another thing I loved was Carter's MacGyver reference after arriving on Abydos.

She was examining the DHD on Abydos with a look of awe:
Carter: Amazing. This is what was missing from the dig at Giza. This is how they controlled it. It took us 15 years and 3 superconductors to MacGyver a system for the gate on Earth.

That line cracks me up... :D

...but then I'm easily amused... :cool:

Actually... It was 3 supercomputers... :p Not superconductors. but other than that... yeah you basically got the qoute right... ;)

:eek:

QuiGonJohn
June 5th, 2005, 08:52 AM
This was a great opening to the series. I liked how they tied most things into the movie.

Tal'Mak_Josh
June 12th, 2005, 01:35 AM
This is something i really want to know

If Chulak has 2 suns, what is it's oprbit shape, does it

1. Go round both in a circle
2. Go round one in a circle
3. Go in a figure 8 going round one half of the sun but when it gets to the middle it goes round the other until it gets to the middle again n goes round the first one again

Anyone know? I'm a bit stuck with this

greytop
June 12th, 2005, 01:44 AM
I don't know but a very intersting question.

Lord You
June 12th, 2005, 03:07 AM
This is something i really want to know

If Chulak has 2 suns, what is it's oprbit shape, does it

1. Go round both in a circle
2. Go round one in a circle
3. Go in a figure 8 going round one half of the sun but when it gets to the middle it goes round the other until it gets to the middle again n goes round the first one again

Anyone know? I'm a bit stuck with this
Probably (2) would be the most stable. (1) could work, but the planet might have to be too far to be habitable. (3) would not work well since that configuration is very unstable.

There's a few more alternatives. The planet could be in one of the lagrange points between the suns. L4 and L5 are the most stable, but there could be a high risk of asteroid impacts in those areas (i.e. Trojan belts). Also, seasons would be nonexistant unless the planet actually orbited the points rather than stayed in them (though in that case they would be quick - monthly? - seasons).

Beal
June 30th, 2005, 11:35 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, so excuse me if I'm intruding, but does anyone know why they stopped using that music that was played when Apophis first appeared? Everytime I head it I get goosebumps. It's just so powerful and really adds to the mood of being overpowered.

Lida
June 30th, 2005, 11:48 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, so excuse me if I'm intruding, but does anyone know why they stopped using that music that was played when Apophis first appeared? Everytime I head it I get goosebumps. It's just so powerful and really adds to the mood of being overpowered.

No need to apologize. You have a legitimate question and I wish I had an answer. I don't. Perhaps you could go to the Ask Joe Mallozzi thread and ask there? You may get an answer, but don't hold your breath. :rolleyes:

Have you considered buying the soundtrack CD's? The theme might be included. I bought them, but haven't listened as yet. There is a track entitled Apophis/The Ceremony/Escape. Worth a try. :D

Hope that helped a little. Just remember, it's the soundtrack from the TV series, not the movie.

KorbenDirewolf
July 5th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Certain branches of the military do and don't salute indoors....but for the life of me, I can't remember which do and don't for sure. I think the Army does not, but the Air Force and Navy do.

All I know for sure is Marines don't salute indoors unless under arms.. And then there are all the rules about what is and is not indoors, regardless of if you happen to be inside or outside of a building.

LOL4JACK
July 9th, 2005, 09:28 AM
Hello, I've just re-watched COTG, for the first time ever!!!! I know crazy, I know every other episode basically by heart, but never got to watch this one, so I bought S1...

The first thing question that I ask and I hope you can help me is, at the begining, when Apophis came into the SGC, how did he dial out?

greytop
July 9th, 2005, 09:37 AM
Hello, I've just re-watched COTG, for the first time ever!!!! I know crazy, I know every other episode basically by heart, but never got to watch this one, so I bought S1...

The first thing question that I ask and I hope you can help me is, at the begining, when Apophis came into the SGC, how did he dial out?And that is the question of mystery of Stargate. :)

TheWarrior
July 9th, 2005, 09:49 AM
As Greytop put it - it's the mystery of Stargate.

Now you can either assume - one Jaffa dialled out manually - or they had a device not seen again with any Goa'uld that opens the gate in similar fashion to the Asgard (Small Victories) and Cassandra device (1969).

I think this question needs to be asked to TPTB at the next convention if the opportunity arrises.

LOL4JACK
July 9th, 2005, 09:56 AM
Thanks! nice to know that I'm not alone ;)

And it's a mystery :D

thor_
July 10th, 2005, 11:51 AM
i love this episode, its one of my favorite... i have seen it 20-30 times :)

there is so many good scenes...

Beatrice Otter
July 11th, 2005, 12:13 PM
All I know for sure is Marines don't salute indoors unless under arms.. And then there are all the rules about what is and is not indoors, regardless of if you happen to be inside or outside of a building.
The pilot is the one and only episode which did not have an AF advisor. If you watch the rest of the eps, you will note that they never, ever salute indoors again. You will also note that as the show went along, the advisor(s) got stricter about what they'd blow the whistle on--e.g. Janet's hair in S1 is too long; female hair may be any length, but must be worn in such a way that it doesn't brush the collar. IOW, short like Carter's or up in some fashion not likely to come out or fall apart while on duty.

divcon
July 11th, 2005, 11:55 PM
Hello, I've just re-watched COTG, for the first time ever!!!! I know crazy, I know every other episode basically by heart, but never got to watch this one, so I bought S1...

The first thing question that I ask and I hope you can help me is, at the begining, when Apophis came into the SGC, how did he dial out?


I too have wondered this. Many a time we've been told that matter cannot travel both ways through a worm hole. Maybe Apophis had a hand held device similar to Cassie's (1969) but lost it, therefore never being able to use it again. :rolleyes:

zats
July 13th, 2005, 03:46 PM
I too have wondered this. Many a time we've been told that matter cannot travel both ways through a worm hole. Maybe Apophis had a hand held device similar to Cassie's (1969) but lost it, therefore never being able to use it again. :rolleyes:
Two words: plot hole ;)

For what it's worth, I don't think TPTB had entirely gotten all of the physics of the 'gate worked out yet. The first couple episodes have a few minor discrepancies, among them odd characterizations and wonky storylines that occured as the writers tried to find their sea legs.

Plot hole is two words, right?

Uber
July 14th, 2005, 03:07 PM
Here's another question I've just thought of while watching the first scene of Children of the Gods for the *cough*100th time...

Why was ther a ramp already set up? I mean, as far as they were concerned, it was just an obscure piece of something they were guarding...it seems odd that there'd already be a ramp in place when Apophis and friends come through the first time...

I'm just sayin'...

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
July 14th, 2005, 04:16 PM
i thought for a starter episode (pt 1) it was not a great hit but WOW! it sure turned into a great show!

jckfan55
July 14th, 2005, 05:23 PM
I really noticed how they chopped minutes out, now that I have the DVDs. I'm fine with losing the nudity scene. But there were at least a couple of nice character moments cut out.

zats
July 14th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Here's another question I've just thought of while watching the first scene of Children of the Gods for the *cough*100th time...

Why was ther a ramp already set up? I mean, as far as they were concerned, it was just an obscure piece of something they were guarding...it seems odd that there'd already be a ramp in place when Apophis and friends come through the first time...

I'm just sayin'... Because if Apophis's first intro to the show was him falling out of a wormhole followed by an avalanche of very suprised Jaffa [:eek:], the audience would have a very hard time taking him seriously for a single show, let alone multiple seasons. ;)

greytop
July 14th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I noticed that too. The scene I missed was, what I call is, the moonshine scene.

briguy213
July 14th, 2005, 08:29 PM
LOL, I saw SHA'RE's muff and boobies. Poor daniel. I would hate if everyone saw my wife nude.

QuiGonJohn
July 15th, 2005, 05:33 AM
Here's another question I've just thought of while watching the first scene of Children of the Gods for the *cough*100th time...

Why was ther a ramp already set up? I mean, as far as they were concerned, it was just an obscure piece of something they were guarding...it seems odd that there'd already be a ramp in place when Apophis and friends come through the first time...

I'm just sayin'...


The ramp was there from the first mission to Abydos, the movie. Most likely it was left in place.

donniepw
July 15th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I too have wondered this. Many a time we've been told that matter cannot travel both ways through a worm hole. Maybe Apophis had a hand held device similar to Cassie's (1969) but lost it, therefore never being able to use it again. :rolleyes:


Hello All. Like every other fan of the show I too have wondered at this and thought the same thing in regards to the hand device. Ijust watched it again and the worm does close after Apophis steps through. After the shoot out I believe he orders his jaffa to manually dial the gate. Just one more meaning of "jaffa kree". Either that or they used the hand held device that you see one of the jaffa pick up before they leave.

Sum1
July 15th, 2005, 07:23 PM
Here's another question I've just thought of while watching the first scene of Children of the Gods for the *cough*100th time...

Why was ther a ramp already set up? I mean, as far as they were concerned, it was just an obscure piece of something they were guarding...it seems odd that there'd already be a ramp in place when Apophis and friends come through the first time...

I'm just sayin'...

I think it's because the gate is pretty big and heavy and if you'll notice, there's nothing holding it in place. The ramp must have been placed there to do just that or it would fall over.

briguy213
July 15th, 2005, 07:24 PM
They did not show him use the hand device nor see them manually dial.

Chrome
July 16th, 2005, 07:42 PM
Also another apparent mistake that I brought up recently ( and sorry started another thread called "Did they ever explain this mistake" before looking properly through the boards to find the right place to post it) was that in CotG Skaara was apparently picked by a completely separate Goa'uld couple and yet he later turns up as Apophis son.

Steve-C
August 2nd, 2005, 11:27 AM
Because if Apophis's first intro to the show was him falling out of a wormhole followed by an avalanche of very suprised Jaffa [:eek:], the audience would have a very hard time taking him seriously for a single show, let alone multiple seasons. ;)

But wouldn't that have made a great scene in a spoof, or bloopers reel?! Or even now, if they did that in one of the episodes one...like if it were to happen to Landry when he goes through the gate for the first time!

zats
August 4th, 2005, 09:00 PM
LOL, I saw SHA'RE's muff and boobies. Poor daniel. I would hate if everyone saw my wife nude. Bet you Sha're hated it more.

greytop
August 10th, 2005, 08:01 AM
HAMMOND: That's our insurance against any more surprises. (as the iris slides back) It's pure titanium - hopefully impenetrable.I just hope if the iris does catch fire, they don't use water one it. A building was on fire and it had titanium that caught fire, according to the radio. The firemen didn't want to use water on it because of the it's reaction to the water and they just let it burn itself out.

Heru'urs_first_prime
August 11th, 2005, 07:06 AM
Bet you Sha're hated it more.

lol!

JoshuaJSlone
August 14th, 2005, 10:15 AM
I first saw this episode about a year ago. I hadn't seen the Stargate movie in years, but I was pretty impressed with how easily the basic ideas of the movie were shifted into something that made sense as a weekly show.

Having more recently seen the movie it's now pretty obvious where they had to fiddle with some things, like making all gates use the same symbols rather than the constellations of each planet. Of course it wouldn't be feasible to have to do some hardcore astronomy on each trip to get back to Earth. Or having Abydos go from being in another galaxy altogether, to being the closest planet with a stargate. Or O'Neil to O'Neill?

Surprisingly, in a show where we're presented parasitic snakes as rulers of the galaxy, it was much simpler stuff which hurt the suspension of disbelief a bit. It seemed like it took no time at all for them to get the SGC up and running, complete with specially designed logos designed and plastered on the wall, along with individual team patches being created and applied to the uniforms. Or the iris pretty much coming out of thin air. Understandable that they wanted it all to be in the pilot, though, and also very similar to things which quickly came into existence in Stargate Atlantis.

If there's something that makes me cringe about the episode... that awkward reproductive organs line. >_<



I´m ok with the explanation, but that doesn´t explain why the freezing doesn´t occur in later episodes. Maybe that doesn´t happen if a person "gets used to" travelling through the gate? Does anyone have an explanation for that?
They probably just decided that as a minor thing it was more trouble than it was worth, and phased it out. I'm reminded of the Back to the Future movies; when you see time travel in the first the car is frozen on the outside, but this stops happening in the sequels.

.:Lemon:.
August 24th, 2005, 07:56 AM
I actually didn't see this episode, until I'd watched quite alot of other seasons as I kept missing it in syndication. I thought it was a great way to start a series and although it has some dodgy moments (You can't blame them though as it's only a pilot ;)) Overall it was a good ep

Kalliope
August 25th, 2005, 02:24 PM
Just finished watching this ep. One question: was this FULL FRONTAL NUDITY really necessary?

Qasim
August 25th, 2005, 03:06 PM
The writers obviously thought so

greytop
August 25th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Just finished watching this ep. One question: was this FULL FRONTAL NUDITY really necessary?When the show was first aired, it was aired on Showtime, a movie channel in the US, that show mostly movies so it was okay. When it moved to Scifi, they usually edit that scene out.

Gargen
August 25th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Just finished watching this ep. One question: was this FULL FRONTAL NUDITY really necessary?


i most have missed this what was this full frontal nudity?

.:Lemon:.
August 25th, 2005, 03:51 PM
It's on the DVD. I'm not sure if they show it on the Televison

nayo'nak
September 5th, 2005, 08:54 AM
in england the first one is rated 18 it looks strange th rest of my colection is 12 or pg then 18 nudeity dosnt bother me but i still dont see the point

Simonthefurling
September 5th, 2005, 10:39 AM
i most have missed this what was this full frontal nudity?

When Shar'ei (sp?) is implanted with a goa'uld, Apophis has her stripped down do his queen can fully inspect her host (im guessing that was the reason lol:P)

Qasim
September 5th, 2005, 11:05 AM
actually its more than that but its only shown on the dvds not on tv

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 02:07 AM
The First SG-1 Epsidoes which we still talk about 9 years on, they never seem to age!

Qasim
September 8th, 2005, 02:29 AM
Well they are the classics and in some ways the best

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 09:24 PM
One of the best eppys in my opinion.......better than "Rising"

Ziu
September 13th, 2005, 04:19 AM
It was very good for a pilot episode, but only the story line. The military and scifi items had many inaccuracies.
Here are some examples:
Kowalsky was a Lt.Col in the movie, but called a Major in this episode. He wore Captain Insiginia and Major Insignia in different scenes.
The Goa'uld opened the gate without a DHD or using the SGC coomputor.
Bullets bounced off Teal'cs Back Armor, but Bullets were able to penetrate the Armor on other Jaffa.

timdalton007
September 27th, 2005, 06:11 AM
Okay I'm new here so give me a break.

This a great pilot episode. The acting, the special effects, everything is good. In many ways I think it is even better then the original film in terms of acting (especially by Richard Dean Anderson as O'Neill).

timdalton007

Gargen
September 28th, 2005, 05:16 PM
When Shar'ei (sp?) is implanted with a goa'uld, Apophis has her stripped down do his queen can fully inspect her host (im guessing that was the reason lol:P)


OK that settles it im buying the dvd lol

TrustNo1
October 2nd, 2005, 04:45 PM
The Goa'uld opened the gate without a DHD or using the SGC coomputor.
Bullets bounced off Teal'cs Back Armor, but Bullets were able to penetrate the Armor on other Jaffa.
Beep wrong. The Goa'uld did use the base computer to dial the gate. Apophis spoke in Goa'uld the camera cuts to people running around, the camera cuts back to Apophis just as the guard is returning from the control room.
And Teal'c is first prime, of course he will have the strongest armour.

the true apothis
October 20th, 2005, 09:40 AM
he used a device to activate the gate like the knox or asgard do

timdalton007
October 21st, 2005, 06:11 AM
he used a device to activate the gate like the knox or asgard do

That's what I think. But the problem with that is I don't remember seeing that in the version I recorded off Sci-Fi back in July. I've always suspected that if the original version didn't show how the gate was opened either, then it was a way to save money. God knows how much it costs to create the effect of the active wormhole.

timdalton007

Jack's Angel
October 26th, 2005, 10:58 AM
Okay I'm new here so give me a break.

This a great pilot episode. The acting, the special effects, everything is good. In many ways I think it is even better then the original film in terms of acting (especially by Richard Dean Anderson as O'Neill).

timdalton007

Totally agree it was a brilliant episode one of my faverites altogether!

MiniHerc
November 6th, 2005, 10:45 PM
I amazes me really that they would learn our technology so fast!

ancientalliance
November 7th, 2005, 12:55 PM
It's on Wednesday night... yeah!:D

Sela
November 9th, 2005, 06:22 PM
I've seen it a thousand times, I have it on DVD - twice, but it never gets old. :)

I really love this show....

ancientalliance
November 10th, 2005, 01:41 PM
I've seen it a thousand times, I have it on DVD - twice, but it never gets old. :)

I really love this show....

Me too! I don't think it will ever get old - everytime I watch an ep. I see/hear something I didn't quite catch the time before.

P-90_177
November 17th, 2005, 02:49 AM
Children of the Gods has got to be the best series opener for any sereis ever. No matter how many times you see it it never gets old.

skritsys
November 18th, 2005, 12:42 PM
The best part of any show is the beginning and what made SG-1 do so well is from the modern day approach to continuing the Stargate program. CoTG has got to be the one ep that totally grabs the viewer and keeps your eyes riveted to the screen.

Lord Shiva
December 7th, 2005, 12:11 AM
Anyone else agree that Children of the Gods was the best Stargate episode, period? Everytime I re-start the series, I find Myself always amazed at the pilot, from the way it was presented to the BEST intro in any sci-fi show (Apophis' violent introduction and the re-activation of the Stargate).

timdalton007
December 7th, 2005, 09:26 AM
I wouldn't say this is the best episode ever but its one of the best. It has its faults but its still one of the best of the series. The acting is so good I couldn't believe this was the pilot episode! The special effects are a little lacking at times (much of the Death Glider close-ups being from the film for example) but it was a great start for the series. If this episode wasn't good, do you think we'd talking about it right now?

timdalton007

Pharaoh Atem
January 4th, 2006, 07:00 AM
This was a good start to the show. i felt hartbroken for Daniel to loose his wife to the gou'lud.

But teal'c betraying apohis was i think the best part of it

I can help these people
Many have said that but you are the only one who i think can do it.

timdalton007
January 6th, 2006, 09:07 AM
Here's my review of this that I did for IMDB:

Better Than The Feature Film And A Great Start For SG-1,

16 December 2005

8/10

With a pilot episode, you don't really know what to expect since it is the beginning of a series. But in the case of this film, the pilot episode for the long-running "Stargate SG-1", the results are spectacular. Indeed, Children Of The Gods is actually better than the original 1994 film.

The actors are better. Richard Dean Anderson makes a better Colonel O'Neill then Kurt Russel. Michael Shanks does very well taking the place of James Spader in the role of Daniel Jackson and in the end we do accept him as Daniel. Amanda Tapping gives a good performance as Captain Samantha Carter, especially in her first scene which is classic. Christopher Judge does well in the role of the Jaffa Teal'c despite the fact we don't see quite enough of him. Don S. Davis also does well in the role of General Hammond and sets up the character perfectly. Beyond the main cast, Peter Williams does well in the role of Apophis, Alexis Cruz makes a welcome return as Skaara, and both Jay Acovone and Brent Stait do good jobs of taking over characters from the original film. The rest of the supporting cast is good.

The show's production values are high. The sets look expensive and are better then the sets from the original film. The costumes are good, especially the ones for the Goa'ulds and Jaffa. The scenes with the military look realistic thanks to help from the Air Force and I couldn't help but believe that this was how they (the Air Force) would really do something like this.

On the downside, the special effects are lacking at times. The Death Glider sequence in particular seemed to be hurt by some bad special effects and combining of footage from the original film that made the sequence look kind of cheap. The score was also a bit of a let down. Mosty of it was taken directly from the score from Stargate and I was disappointed by the lack of original music in Children Of The Gods.

But overall, this is a great pilot episode. It lays not only the ground work for the show, but gets the show off to a running start. If this had been a feature film, we'd be seeing a Stargate movie franchise but we have a wonderful TV show and, in the case of this film, a wonderful sequel to the original movie.

timdalton007

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
January 7th, 2006, 12:28 PM
:jack: I have always thought that the Series Opener was Good. Richard Dean Anderson (After Eight years) as being Jack O'Neill did a very good job it was a shame to see him leave he will be missed but Him and The Rest of cast did a good job in the pilot. I like the part where he tells teal'c he can save these people and teal'c helped him because p'neill could tell that teal'c didnt want to kill these people.

AKnightWhoSaysNi
January 7th, 2006, 12:35 PM
best season premier EVER! Stargate SG1 started out on the right foot with this episode!!!

rossyboy8
January 9th, 2006, 01:24 PM
Yeah it was great! First one i saw, most probably one of the best!!!