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Crazynewf
January 3rd, 2009, 09:15 PM
First I would like to say I am not against this episode. I just think it was the wrong place in the season to do it. But mainly... And here's the spoiler:

Sheppard dies at the end of this episode! I know it's technically not 'our' Sheppard but for all us whump fans this is a major development. I was practically jumping up and down in my seat. But it was sad.

Anybody else have thoughts on the alternate Sheppard's fate?

fumblesmcstupid
January 3rd, 2009, 11:34 PM
Didn't die!! Nope the jets blew up the trailer and sent in an evac chopper and John was rescued and had emergency surgery and all that E.R crap and he lived "HAPPILY" ever after on Atlantis!!! :)

Morrolan
January 4th, 2009, 12:27 AM
Didn't die!! Nope the jets blew up the trailer and sent in an evac chopper and John was rescued and had emergency surgery and all that E.R crap and he lived "HAPPILY" ever after on Atlantis!!! :)

Nope. John Sheppard died. Sorry. :(

fumblesmcstupid
January 4th, 2009, 12:54 AM
Hey!!!!!

"Anybody else have any thoughts on the alternate Sheppard's fate?""

The poster asked what "I" thought might have happened to the A.U. Sheppard!!

In "MY MIND" He was Rescued!

and lived Happily ever after!!

Morrolan
January 4th, 2009, 01:32 AM
Hey!!!!!

"Anybody else have any thoughts on the alternate Sheppard's fate?""

The poster asked what "I" thought might have happened to the A.U. Sheppard!!

In "MY MIND" He was Rescued!

and lived Happily ever after!!Just throwing a little sarcasm your way. ;)

Didn't mean to offend.

Hermiiod
January 4th, 2009, 06:06 AM
Didn't die!! Nope the jets blew up the trailer and sent in an evac chopper and John was rescued and had emergency surgery and all that E.R crap and he lived "HAPPILY" ever after on Atlantis!!! :)

Lets not forget the massive radiation that most probably covered the immediate area around the blast. This leads me to believe that Sheppard died regardless.

Morrolan
January 4th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Lets not forget the massive radiation that most probably covered the immediate area around the blast. This leads me to believe that Sheppard died regardless.

No, as fumblesmcstupid said, Sheppard is alive and well, recuperating in Florida on a beach. You didn't know that Sheppard was a mutant hybrid that was immune to gunshot wounds and radiation? ;)

flameling
January 4th, 2009, 09:40 AM
Sorry, I still think he died. What I'm mad about is that our Shepperd has gone on countless sucide missions, and they would never think of actually bringing him that close to death with out making it an illusion at the end. No, if it was our John he wouldn't have been shot but enjoying himself in Florida.

fumblesmcstupid
January 4th, 2009, 10:04 AM
Wow! You guys wield sarcasm like a sword!

I guess I am more optimistic than you guys, and HOPE that the A.U. guys are just not that cod hearted and leave the guy out there to die!!!

Hermiiod
January 4th, 2009, 10:06 AM
The episode ended in a way that the viewer could decide what happened to Sheppard.

flameling
January 4th, 2009, 10:14 AM
True. I guess he's not in Florida, maybe Georgia? The Devil did go down there.

Crazynewf
January 4th, 2009, 11:36 AM
The ending is a tad enigmatic. Though the choice of music (Solitary Man) did sort of imply that he was alone...

Cory Holmes
January 4th, 2009, 11:45 AM
The ending is a tad enigmatic.

And that's a problem... how? I for one enjoy the occasional ambiguous ending.

jds1982
January 4th, 2009, 11:51 AM
Pretty sure he died. The whole Todd scene was foreshadowing, what with the dying in the desert part.

Morrolan
January 4th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Wow! You guys wield sarcasm like a sword!!Like a big fluffy pillow. It's all in fun. :) You say he's alive and well. I say he died a hero's death. As they say, pic or it didn't happen, we're both right.

prion
January 4th, 2009, 04:53 PM
I'm of the school that he died alone, out there in the desert, but I'm also quite happy with the growing number of pieces of fanfic in which he's rescued in the nick of time... :)

fumblesmcstupid
January 4th, 2009, 04:54 PM
fanfic rocks!

CalmStorm
January 4th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I'm of the group that think AU Shep is dead.

I really did like the ending though with the song and all. It seemed very fitting for the situation. For a "character death" it was nicely done.

If he did not die, then that was a very cheesy ending.

Atlanis
January 4th, 2009, 05:14 PM
I cried my eyes out when Detective Sheppard died

Quadhelix
January 5th, 2009, 04:24 AM
I guess I am more optimistic than you guys, and HOPE that the A.U. guys are just not that cod hearted and leave the guy out there to die!!! It's not that they would have been "cold," but rather that Sheppard was beyond saving. He looked pretty bad off as the episode ended, and it is almost certain that any rescue wouldn't be showing up for at least another couple of minutes, at which point he would probably already have bled to death.

And don't forget the radiation.

Pajus
January 5th, 2009, 04:29 AM
So Sheppard died! It's no big deal! Get over it, people! This friday, he'll be back, violating the UCMJ like there was no tomorrow

PantheraLeo
January 5th, 2009, 04:38 AM
Actually if you look at the whole of SGA from S1 to S5, Sheppard has never had any problems with dying. So much until at times you'd even think he's trying to die in the line of duty. I think this episode was a chance for the writers to give Sheppard "his wish".

BeckyS
January 5th, 2009, 08:43 PM
First I would like to say I am not against this episode. I just think it was the wrong place in the season to do it. But mainly... And here's the spoiler:

Sheppard dies at the end of this episode! I know it's technically not 'our' Sheppard but for all us whump fans this is a major development. I was practically jumping up and down in my seat. But it was sad.

Anybody else have thoughts on the alternate Sheppard's fate?

I thought Rodney sent out a rescue mission ... but after reading the transcript, and then watching the show over, I can't decide.

McKAY: If John Sheppard hadn't found that Wraith when he did, that transmission definitely would have made it through to Pegasus. He saved our asses.

ZELENKA: Yes. But that transmission would have been stronger in any other reality exposed to the rift.

McKAY: They could be in a lot of trouble right now.

If Rodney says "they" at the end, then I think Sheppard dies at the end.

If Rodney says "he" (which is what it sounds like to me, but doesn't make sense in the context of what they were talking about), then I think he doesn't. But I can't tell if Rodney's saying "they" with his Canadian accent making it a long ee, or what!

Becky (I want it to be "he"!)

Crazynewf
January 5th, 2009, 10:25 PM
Perhaps it was a rescue team Rodney was referring to, but I was rather of the mind that he meant the alternate universes when he said 'they'. And to pronounce 'they' as 'he' Rodney would have to be Shakespearian, not Canadian! ;)

Jill_Ion
January 6th, 2009, 09:25 AM
I think AU Shep died, but it'd be nice if he was rescued. Heck, maybe they could've found a spare sarcophagus or let Todd feed and then restore him.

*sniff* Our fallen hero. *sniff*

RMKF
January 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM
The Daedalus was knocking around so why didn't they just beam him up

ori soldier
January 6th, 2009, 01:55 PM
The episode ended in a way that the viewer could decide what happened to Sheppard.

erm how does him lying with a gunshot wound dying on the ground leave it open

Hermiiod
January 6th, 2009, 03:44 PM
erm how does him lying with a gunshot wound dying on the ground leave it open
Well there seems to be controversy about the fact that he may have not died. I for one think that the writers meant for him to have died.

nx01a
January 6th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Realistically, if he hadn't been shot at least twice after all that automatic weapons fire, something would have been wrong. He looked like he was shot near the heart, so that couldn't be good.
He got up, crawled defiantly, fell, and closed his eyes. He died. His life was going nowhere, he'd hit bottom almost... He did the one heroic thing he could do and then bought it. Well done for the alt. Shep.

Hermiiod
January 6th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Since we're mentioning it, one thing felt very odd to me. When he was shot, he just paused, looked at his wound, turned and ran. Realistically, if you were shot by an automatic such as the Wraith's then you would either fall flat on your back from the impact or at least stumble backwards. Idk, I've never been shot -- what do ya'll think?

creed462
January 6th, 2009, 05:12 PM
well, they could alway talk Sam into using the healing device

Jill_Ion
January 6th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Realistically, if he hadn't been shot at least twice after all that automatic weapons fire, something would have been wrong. He looked like he was shot near the heart, so that couldn't be good.
He got up, crawled defiantly, fell, and closed his eyes. He died. His life was going nowhere, he'd hit bottom almost... He did the one heroic thing he could do and then bought it. Well done for the alt. Shep.

I rewatched it today and didn't see him close his eyes, but there was the "looking off into space" death look. He also looked like he stopped breathing. He was very heroic.

*Waaaaaaaah!*

nx01a
January 6th, 2009, 06:53 PM
Ah! Thanks, Jill. I have to go through my second watch later tonight. The 'zone out' death scene. That's even more evidence he bought it.

ZOMG!b_cs
January 6th, 2009, 08:51 PM
He's dead, Jim.

But I do have to point out that the writers like to leave things up to interpretation.
Ford.
Weir.
AU!Sheppard.

dead, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a fanfic author.

Hermiiod
January 6th, 2009, 08:55 PM
Or a brick layer for that matter!

Linzi
January 7th, 2009, 03:37 AM
I rewatched it today and didn't see him close his eyes, but there was the "looking off into space" death look. He also looked like he stopped breathing. He was very heroic.

*Waaaaaaaah!*
I re-watched today too, and AltShep's eyes are open after he heroically staggers and falls down. He grimaces in pain, with sort of a hitched breath, stares up at the sky and stops breathing, eyes still open. He died, as far as I can see :( Sniff. Great ending though, IMO. :)

ladyjanus
January 9th, 2009, 08:56 PM
So he's shot in the chest, for sure, and it looked to me like he took one in the opposite side of the body, somewhere in the abdominal area - there was blood low and to one side of that white shirt as he was laying there looking up at the sky and I'm pretty sure I saw him react in pain as he was sheltering behind the wheel of his car. I never thought as I was watching it, but some of the other posters mentioned the massive radiation that would have blanketed the area after the device was destroyed. And, I did notice the blood leakign from his ear at the end, evidence of the concussive brain trauma from the shock wave of the explosions...

Oh yeah, he's toast...

RevolutionChick
January 9th, 2009, 11:17 PM
I have to admit, upon stumbling to this thread I almost became shocked there was a debate to AU Sheppard's death.

I say almost because the SG fandom is so widely open to opinions that a debate about Teyla's baby being real or not wouldn't surprise me.

Frankly, while I put down no one's opinion to how they view the end of Vegas, AU Sheppard kicked the bucket. And I gotta say, it was such a powerful scene to me that thinking about it still gets me in a daze. I can seriously say I've never watched a scene so powerful before; a scene that can say a million words without words being spoken.

Okay, you're laughing. Don't blame you, what I said was corny as hell.

But watch that last scene over again. If you watch it with a clear mind ---painfully forgetting for a minute that our wonderful SGA has been cancelled -- that in retrospect, none of this even matters with it being an AU setting -- just watch it as it is, and I almost want to shake the hands of the director who shot this.

I say almost, because in this case I'm still unbelievably in rage from the cancellation.

Joe's acting in this was astounding. Having been able to take the John Sheppard he knows and play a different version so well really blew me away. And maybe it was 70% of the music that got me (gotta love Johnny Cash), but as the camera pulled out, and you stared into AU Sheppard's eyes...*shudders* You could see the moment he died. It's creepy

And with no words, you could feel the storyline wrap up. A lost man, one who had nothing to live for before this act of heroism, let himself die knowing he would go having made a difference. He was able to end the sh!thole of his life on a good note.


....*ahem* That's all I have to say. I had to ramble to some SGA fans. Frankly, I felt more closure from this episode (whilst it was a bit boring during the last half) than the actual series finale.

Lythisrose
January 10th, 2009, 04:00 AM
I have to admit, upon stumbling to this thread I almost became shocked there was a debate to AU Sheppard's death.

I say almost because the SG fandom is so widely open to opinions that a debate about Teyla's baby being real or not wouldn't surprise me.

Frankly, while I put down no one's opinion to how they view the end of Vegas, AU Sheppard kicked the bucket. And I gotta say, it was such a powerful scene to me that thinking about it still gets me in a daze. I can seriously say I've never watched a scene so powerful before; a scene that can say a million words without words being spoken.

Okay, you're laughing. Don't blame you, what I said was corny as hell.

But watch that last scene over again. If you watch it with a clear mind ---painfully forgetting for a minute that our wonderful SGA has been cancelled -- that in retrospect, none of this even matters with it being an AU setting -- just watch it as it is, and I almost want to shake the hands of the director who shot this.

I say almost, because in this case I'm still unbelievably in rage from the cancellation.

Joe's acting in this was astounding. Having been able to take the John Sheppard he knows and play a different version so well really blew me away. And maybe it was 70% of the music that got me (gotta love Johnny Cash), but as the camera pulled out, and you stared into AU Sheppard's eyes...*shudders* You could see the moment he died. It's creepy

And with no words, you could feel the storyline wrap up. A lost man, one who had nothing to live for before this act of heroism, let himself die knowing he would go having made a difference. He was able to end the sh!thole of his life on a good note.


....*ahem* That's all I have to say. I had to ramble to some SGA fans. Frankly, I felt more closure from this episode (whilst it was a bit boring during the last half) than the actual series finale.

I have to agree about how powerful this was.
Several weeks after having seen both of the last 2 episodes, while I thought EatG was fun to watch, Vegas is the one that left the most impact. I still get emotional when I think about it and the scenes replay themselves in my mind.

(I prefer to fantasize that they rescued and revived Shep, just for my own mental health!) :)

Madeleine
January 10th, 2009, 05:10 AM
I think he died. It was rather beautiful though. I think I'm on the same wavelength as Revolutionchick.

He's had this song 'solitary man' as his theme. We know he's an empty and washed out person, a shell of our own Shep. We know he'd lost his place in the AF and with it his purpose in life. Alt-McKay sums up his life now and it's embarrassing, and he obviously doesn't care that much for his career in the police if he can just walk out on a whim.

He dies alone - always the most heart-wrenching type of death - but he dies redeemed. He bought a minute or two for the 'planes to come and save his world. If his life had no point, his death did, and that makes it beautiful, in the saddest sort of way.

FallenAngelII
January 10th, 2009, 11:46 PM
[QUOTE=Crazynewf;9507502]I know it's technically not 'our' Sheppard but for all us whump fans this is a major development./QUOTE]
I was told that the vast majority of whump fans are in it for the "comfort" part that follows "hurt". If one dies (and has no friends at the time), that pretty much rules out all comfort.

So basically, it's just John Sheppard dying. I found it annoying. It wasn't out!Sheppard, so it's not like it mattered.

Dindirindin
September 3rd, 2009, 05:24 AM
Dies, and this is what makes the ending one of the bests i've seen.

rushy
July 4th, 2010, 11:24 AM
The fate of:sheppard: is death and meeting there with :ford: