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Stormtrooper
January 3rd, 2009, 07:16 AM
In the season 5 episode Vegas, this Rod-like character shows up in this random alternate reality, except it's clear he is not Rod from the season 3 episode McKay and Mrs. Miller. That said, it seems to be implied throughout the ep (at least to me) that "Rod 2" visited the reality that has been shown to us since season 4.

Questions:

1) Do you think seasons 4 & 5 are not set in the same reality as the first three seasons of SGA (which would explain why "Rod 2" visited such reality)? If so, what could have caused the dimensional shift?

2) Do you think "Rod 2" paid a visit to "our reality" off-screen?

3) Do you think random McKay visited random Sheppard in a random reality of a random show written by random writers and produced by random producers?

Naonak
January 3rd, 2009, 07:27 AM
And in the S1-3 reality, Weir never died, the real Carson came back never even died, Keller never existed, and fluffy bunnies are free to frolic throughout the Pegasus Galaxy?

http://a2.vox.com/6a00b8ea067a51dece00fad68b5c0a0004-pi

Anon
January 3rd, 2009, 07:53 AM
no, but ur right about the rod thing, i dont get it, i'll comment on JM's blog and get the answer.....

Southern Red
January 3rd, 2009, 08:07 AM
And in the S1-3 reality, Weir never died, the real Carson came back never even died, Keller never existed, and fluffy bunnies are free to frolic throughout the Pegasus Galaxy?

http://a2.vox.com/6a00b8ea067a51dece00fad68b5c0a0004-pi

Let's hear it for the bunnies!

And since there are an infinite number of AU's anything is possible. I think this was just a short look at one of those. In fact, I like to think that Carson would have been the coroner that John knew. They just had Keller do the autopsy on the guy killed by the Wraith so that the secret wouldn't get out. IMHO.

Morrolan
January 3rd, 2009, 01:24 PM
In the season 5 episode Vegas, this Rod-like character shows up in this random alternate reality, except it's clear he is not Rod from the season 3 episode McKay and Mrs. Miller. That said, it seems to be implied throughout the ep (at least to me) that "Rod 2" visited the reality that has been shown to us since season 4.

Questions:

1) Do you think seasons 4 & 5 are not set in the same reality as the first three seasons of SGA (which would explain why "Rod 2" visited such reality)? If so, what could have caused the dimensional shift?

2) Do you think "Rod 2" paid a visit to "our reality" off-screen?

3) Do you think random McKay visited random Sheppard in a random reality of a random show written by random writers and produced by random producers?
1) No, seasons 4 & 5 are set in the same reality as the rest of Atlantis and SG-1. The Vegas Rodney visited another reality and met a Sheppard on Atlantis.

2) No, the Vegas McKay visited a different reality off-screen.

3) No, McKay visited a random Sheppard in a random reality of the same show written by the same writers and produced by the same producers in our reality.

flameling
January 4th, 2009, 10:20 AM
There are an infinite number of AU's but I still want to see that reality with the bunnies.

Morrolan
January 4th, 2009, 12:54 PM
There are an infinite number of AU's but I still want to see that reality with the bunnies.

Bunnies would be awesome!!!

fumblesmcstupid
January 4th, 2009, 01:16 PM
or a world with no shrimp!

presta
January 4th, 2009, 02:56 PM
:jack:they are in an alternate reality since episode 1 of the first season !!

fumblesmcstupid
January 4th, 2009, 04:47 PM
yep! due to "Before I Sleep!"

Atlanis
January 4th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Actualy I think it's the same universe that the "dark side" SG-1 came from in "ripple effect" cause the Alternate Rodney said that they had opened a rift between Altarnate Realaties a few years back and that's how the wraith transmission entered multable realaties and as for him begin "Rod McKay" it's not him cause "Rod" stated clearly that his Sheppard "makes your McKay seem modist by comparason" as for the "sheppard" the Altarnate reality he met it must have happended in a diffrent Altarnate reality to our own

Sevenofnine
January 4th, 2009, 06:58 PM
And in the S1-3 reality, Weir never died, the real Carson came back never even died, Keller never existed, and fluffy bunnies are free to frolic throughout the Pegasus Galaxy?

http://a2.vox.com/6a00b8ea067a51dece00fad68b5c0a0004-pi

Love Mr Worf's reaction to the questions :p what colour are the bunnies?;)

Stormtrooper
January 4th, 2009, 08:21 PM
:jack:they are in an alternate reality since episode 1 of the first season !!


yep! due to "Before I Sleep!"

Good point.

I thought Star Trek did a great job with alternate realities episodes, especially those Mirror, Mirror episodes. It was fun seeing how things progressed in that specific reality throughtout the five Trek shows.

Unfortunately, Stargate writers don't stick with one alternate reality, which detracts from the whole experience, imo. In fact, when you start randomly depicting all these endless realities, everything/everyone becomes pointless and expendable, including everything/everyone from the main reality.

But, please, continue discussing bunnies and other trivialities. That's what Stargate is all about these days anyway.

BTW, thanks mods, you're very effective when you want to be.

jiklar
January 4th, 2009, 11:59 PM
or a world with no shrimp!

Is that from what I think it's from or am I losing it?

fumblesmcstupid
January 5th, 2009, 12:04 AM
Yes!
Anya telling Buffy about Jonathan in Superstar...I was waiting to see if anyone caught that!;)

Willow'sCat
January 5th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Questions:

3) Do you think random McKay visited random Sheppard in a random reality of a random show written by random writers and produced by random producers?:p I wish! Perferrably the random writers were Joss Whedon & Steven Moffat and the random producer was Russell T Davies. ;) Man I would've pay good money to have see that. :p

fumblesmcstupid
January 5th, 2009, 12:29 AM
OF all the A.U.'s we have seen which is the right one?

Before I Sleep
McKay and Mrs.Miller
the Last Man
D.Variations
Brain Far uh storm (opened a window or whatever)
Vegas
Enemy at the Gate

I'm just saying! Hums the Twilight Zone Theme do do do do do do do

Willow'sCat
January 5th, 2009, 12:40 AM
OF all the A.U.'s we have seen which is the right one?

Before I Sleep
McKay and Mrs.Miller
the Last Man
D.Variations
Brain Far uh storm (opened a window or whatever)
Vegas
Enemy at the Gate

I'm just saying! Hums the Twilight Zone Theme do do do do do do doBefore I sleep... Rodney is the hero, even if he dies. At least by dying he would never meet... you know who.

fumblesmcstupid
January 5th, 2009, 01:19 AM
*snort* the only UNIVERSE that he is safe from her evil clutches is the one where he is dead *lol*

Willow'sCat
January 5th, 2009, 01:23 AM
*snort* the only UNIVERSE that he is safe from her evil clutches is the one where he is dead *lol**meh* It is not a perfect world, but if it means never having to say M******r.... :D:p

fumblesmcstupid
January 5th, 2009, 01:50 AM
Hey I NEVER say that!! EVER!!!!!! *shudders*

I know that I hope that 4 & 5 are set in an Au, so maybe Elizabeth is still alive and maybe Carson too.

Dr Lee
January 5th, 2009, 02:21 AM
we are still watching the same reality as we were in Rising...Carson I is still fried, crispy and in a grave, probably, in Scotland... Carson II is still a clone... Wier is still floating about in space somewhere and Keller is doing the Horizontal tango with McKay.

there was nothing that implied that this is not the case in Vegas. VEGAS!McKay went to a third realities Atlantis while...

the pulse given out at the end is recieved in our reality in EATG.

fumblesmcstupid
January 5th, 2009, 02:27 AM
Carson is not in a grave!! he was vaporized! *KaBOOM*

I like my A.U reality waaaay better!

PantheraLeo
January 5th, 2009, 04:20 AM
I think the reality depicted in Vegas was most probably the reality from where the Season 3's McKay from McKay And Mrs. Miller came from. I doubt the writers would want to make things too complicated.

(I might sound contradictory but it might, just might not be the reality from MAMM too, since I vaguely remember Alt-Rodney talking about Shephard there although in the Vegas reality, he previously didn't know him)

Southern Red
January 5th, 2009, 04:45 AM
I think the reality depicted in Vegas was most probably the reality from where the Season 3's McKay from McKay And Mrs. Miller came from. I doubt the writers would want to make things too complicated.

(I might sound contradictory but it might, just might not be the reality from MAMM too, since I vaguely remember Alt-Rodney talking about Shephard there although in the Vegas reality, he previously didn't know him)

JM said on his blog that it is not the same.

2cats writes: “1) Was this McKay the same as Alt-Mckay in McKay & Mrs, Miller? There is some chatter in the ether about this.”

Answer: Not sure why there would be. There was never any indication that, out of the myriad alternate universes out there, we landed in that particular one especially since this version of Rodney was nothing like Rod.

Stormtrooper
January 5th, 2009, 04:53 AM
^ Now just think how much better this episode would have been if the alternate reality depicted had been Rod's reality, you know, with Mensa Sheppard, the original Atlantis characters (yeah, Carson, Elizabeth and maybe some bunnies too) and no ****ing Vegas.

TheRandomOne
January 5th, 2009, 04:50 PM
OF all the A.U.'s we have seen which is the right one?

Before I Sleep
McKay and Mrs.Miller
the Last Man
D.Variations
Brain Far uh storm (opened a window or whatever)
Vegas
Enemy at the Gate

I'm just saying! Hums the Twilight Zone Theme do do do do do do do

Hey you forgot about the first SG-1 AU episode. That one already messed everything before Rodney did :p

fumblesmcstupid
January 5th, 2009, 07:07 PM
I couldn't remember all of em *Snort* I though about it believe me!!

Narodnik
January 10th, 2009, 09:25 AM
In the season 5 episode Vegas, this Rod-like character shows up in this random alternate reality, except it's clear he is not Rod from the season 3 episode McKay and Mrs. Miller. That said, it seems to be implied throughout the ep (at least to me) that "Rod 2" visited the reality that has been shown to us since season 4.

Questions:

1) Do you think seasons 4 & 5 are not set in the same reality as the first three seasons of SGA (which would explain why "Rod 2" visited such reality)? If so, what could have caused the dimensional shift?

2) Do you think "Rod 2" paid a visit to "our reality" off-screen?

3) Do you think random McKay visited random Sheppard in a random reality of a random show written by random writers and produced by random producers?

Heh, no - it's only clear that Rod-Vegas visited SOME reality where Shep was a Commander. It may well have been the reality we saw in Daedalus Variations. I had thought also (posted to that on the SGA forum) that Vegas Rod was the same Nice-Rod that came to our Atlantis - it was the episode where he meeds OUR Rodney and gets along with people better.

Vegas Rod didn't seem the type to get along with people better, he was a hard nose person.

We can assume that we have met 3 McKays. Our Rodney, Nice-Rodney and Vegas-Rodney. Vegas Rodney met another one, perhaps the one that Nice-Rodney knew. You'd have to listen very carefully to everything that was said of Nice-Rod's John - and compare that to what Vegas Rod said about the John HE met.

Oh boy, that was confusion :)

Narodnik
January 10th, 2009, 09:31 AM
1) No, seasons 4 & 5 are set in the same reality as the rest of Atlantis and SG-1. The Vegas Rodney visited another reality and met a Sheppard on Atlantis.

2) No, the Vegas McKay visited a different reality off-screen.

3) No, McKay visited a random Sheppard in a random reality of the same show written by the same writers and produced by the same producers in our reality.

The real question is, did the network cancel the show in that reality? Mehhh

terr
January 11th, 2009, 01:46 PM
OF all the A.U.'s we have seen which is the right one?

Before I Sleep
McKay and Mrs.Miller
the Last Man
D.Variations
Brain Far uh storm (opened a window or whatever)
Vegas
Enemy at the Gate

I'm just saying! Hums the Twilight Zone Theme do do do do do do do

I don't think you can really count Before I Sleep and The Last Man, as these are changed timelines that no longer exist, not alternate realities. While one might think that the pre-alteration timelines might coexist with the altered timeline as an alternate reality, this is not how it played out in Continuum. The disappearances at Ba'al's execution seem to establish that the altered timeline wipes out and replaces the original.

Going back to the original question:
REALITIES: I see no reason to reckon Enemy at the Gate's reality not to be that of the majority of episodes going back to SG-1's Children of the Gods, and therefor the "correct" one.
TIMELINES: And, so long as it is essentially consistent with preceding (non-time-travel) episodes, the "correct" timeline is always the one that continues the story.