Plot Question

[songar87]

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but if the big deal in 'Vegas' is about the Wraith not knowing the location of Earth, where did the Wratih in the episode and his hive ship that arrived three months ago come from? And by the way, what's the deal with regular Wraith (not just queens) having super mental abilities?

[Khentkawes]

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but if the big deal in 'Vegas' is about the Wraith not knowing the location of Earth, where did the Wratih in the episode and his hive ship that arrived three months ago come from?

Umm... I don't know. Good question.

And by the way, what's the deal with regular Wraith (not just queens) having super mental abilities?

I thought it was just me! I don't remember the wraith having mental abilities like that either and it really confused me. Maybe I'm just being forgetful and it's been referenced somewhere before?

[ascended alteran]

And by the way, what's the deal with regular Wraith (not just queens) having super mental abilities?

They established the fact that regular wraith have mental abilities in "Rising." The wraith in the darts above Athos are able to make the Athosians and Sumner's team see things that aren't really there.

[Platschu]

And how could McKay be from McKay and Mrs. Miller? He told Sheppard was a member of MENSA, who liked to speak about it all the time. So Sheppard had to be in Atlantis and can't be a detective...

ROD: If you could call it that. He’s very active with the Mensa club we have there.

(John frowns.)

ROD: They have a lot of, um, functions.

SHEPPARD: Well, you can’t blame a man for his intelligence.

ROD: No, but I can blame him for reminding all the time.

SHEPPARD (amazed): He doesn’t!

ROD: Mmm, trust me. My Sheppard makes your Rodney seem modest in comparison.

(John looks a little disturbed by this.)

SHEPPARD: Well, I’ve gotta admit -- between you and me -- you’re a lot different than our Rodney too.

ROD: How so?

SHEPPARD: It’s the little things. You like golf; you say “please” and “thank you”; you’re, um ... what’s the opposite of condescending?

http://gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/transcripts/308.shtml

[knowsfords]

Plot?

[AmyE]

OK...what did I miss? How did they get here and why is this happening? Why is Shep not Shep but everyone else from another universe?? Wasn't everyone happily out and about in Pegasus an episode ago? Did I fall alseep? ....Again.... I love this show but know I am starting to see it is time to go. Did not care for this episode... Don't like Santuary and not looking forward to much else on the horizon but the end of BSG...which is also depressing me... I think it is time to break open my SG1 box sets and start from the beginning.

[Gatorade]

OK...what did I miss? How did they get here and why is this happening? Why is Shep not Shep but everyone else from another universe?? Wasn't everyone happily out and about in Pegasus an episode ago? Did I fall alseep? ....Again.... I love this show but know I am starting to see it is time to go. Did not care for this episode... Don't like Santuary and not looking forward to much else on the horizon but the end of BSG...which is also depressing me... I think it is time to break open my SG1 box sets and start from the beginning.

yeah, tha't an alternate reality episode...a view from the other side.

[AmyE]

yeah, tha't an alternate reality episode...a view from the other side.

I do not like when they do this. With infinite possibilites and realities episodes like this can go on forever in any sort of way and make no sense within the bigger picture. Like Sliders gone bad...thought I did like Sliders...except the rip off of a finale I am getting to the point with Scifi programs that I do not want to watch live in season for fear of disapointment or premature cancellation or the show just disappears one day never to be heard from again.... Invasion....Surface... ?? And where is the rest of the Chronicles of Riddick???? Lot's of hype and promises that never deliver. Where have all the great scifi writers gone? Long time have seen....long time ago...
It really makes me feel like I am in the minority in my viewing preferences.

[capt. moroni]

Way back in Season 2, Michael and his Queen uploaded Wraith data on Atlantis computers to get the Aurora mission logs and star maps, including the location of earth.

I'm guessing in this reality, that wraith ship wasn't stopped by the Daedalus and Orion in the void between Pegasus and the Milky Way, but made it to earth and was taken out by the Ancient Outpost in Antarctica.

And the point of this episode is that the stranded Wraith sent a signal to Pegasus that had the location of earth. It didn't reach Pegasus in his reality, because most of the signal leaked into other realities exposed to that one.

So a wraith on that alternate-reality earth quite possibly tipped off wraith in our reality as to the location of "our" earth.

[Jedi_Master_Bra'tac]

And how could McKay be from McKay and Mrs. Miller? He told Sheppard was a member of MENSA, who liked to speak about it all the time. So Sheppard had to be in Atlantis and can't be a detective...



http://gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/transcripts/308.shtml

Simple, he isn't Rod from McKay and Mrs. Miller. Who said he was?

[pilgrim soul]

Simple, he isn't Rod from McKay and Mrs. Miller. Who said he was?

Doesn't it stand to reason that AU's "our" team haven't come across may have met other AU's that we haven't come across either? There are an infinite number of alternate realities out there after all.

[JacksonClone]

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but if the big deal in 'Vegas' is about the Wraith not knowing the location of Earth, where did the Wratih in the episode and his hive ship that arrived three months ago come from?

Apparently only small differences exist between our reality and Vegas'...

Spoiler:

(Rodney mentioned he had visited a similar alternate reality, very similar to Vegas', but that Sheppard was the leader instead of Rodney).*

It's possible that the Atlantis in Vegas' reality made allies with Todd's hive...

Spoiler:

because we saw Todd being held prisoner on Earth.

In our reality, Todd forced access to a lot of sensitive material...

Spoiler:

including the McKay-Carter Gate Bridge macro, leading to the Wraith invasion of Midway and consequentially its destruction (Cavanaugh wouldn't have accidentially triggered a self-destruct booby-trap if the Wraith hadn't uploaded it).

So if Todd's Wraith had the location for Earth and wanted a new feeding ground exclusively for themselves, they'd not tell the others. Thus, only 1 hive ship came.


Forgive any unnecessary Spoiler tags. I don't know what's considered sensitive in this part of the forums.


*It may not be a stretch that Vegas' Rodney visited our Atlantis. I mean, just because we didn't see it on-screen doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Hermiiod]

I was under the impression that the Mckay is the suit was the same one from Mckay and Mrs. Miller.

[Stormtrooper]

Simple, he isn't Rod from McKay and Mrs. Miller. Who said he was?

OR s4-s5 is set in an alternate reality which was visited by Rod from Vegas...

[MCH]

Way back in Season 2, Michael and his Queen uploaded Wraith data on Atlantis computers to get the Aurora mission logs and star maps, including the location of earth.

I'm guessing in this reality, that wraith ship wasn't stopped by the Daedalus and Orion in the void between Pegasus and the Milky Way, but made it to earth and was taken out by the Ancient Outpost in Antarctica.

And the point of this episode is that the stranded Wraith sent a signal to Pegasus that had the location of earth. It didn't reach Pegasus in his reality, because most of the signal leaked into other realities exposed to that one.

So a wraith on that alternate-reality earth quite possibly tipped off wraith in our reality as to the location of "our" earth.

Now that make sense to me Joe did say the 2 episodes where linked, so was that the link he was talking about? Has any one asked Joe yet?

Hermiod

I was under the impression that the Mckay is the suit was the same one from Mckay and Mrs. Miller.

Not sure about that.

Spoiler:

Is he the one called Rod, right? So what happened to Rod's Shepherd, the one in Mensa? I'm sure Rod is talking about our team Atlantis.

MCH