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GateWorld
December 27th, 2008, 07:58 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/specials/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE NEXT DOCTOR</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 3014 (414)</FONT>
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In Victorian England the Doctor is stunned to encounter a man who claims to be "the Doctor" -- perhaps a future incarnation of himself -- who is fighting against an invasion of Cybermen.

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Reefgirl
December 28th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Eh?? I thought we'd already amalgamated the unofficial thread with this one

Major Clanger
December 28th, 2008, 11:02 AM
it had to get de-amalgamated because of the timings.

sorry...

Reefgirl
December 28th, 2008, 12:39 PM
it had to get de-amalgamated because of the timings.

sorry...
Huh??

kiwigater
December 28th, 2008, 06:07 PM
when you merge an old thread with a new one the posts rearrange by date.
The "title" post for this (the official) ep thread is dated AFTER the first post from the "Unofficial" thread, so we would end up with all the others posts before the "header" post...

er, does that make sense?! :o :D

*cough* so, does this mean David Morrissey can never be the 11th Dr, or is it all a cunning plot....??

Major Clanger
December 28th, 2008, 11:18 PM
It could be a cunning plot - I'm faintly disappointed because I think he'd be a great doctor. Although I've had my fingers crossed for Kenneth Brannagh for a while now. They seem to be going for Ac-tors these days, and he's definitely one of those.

I liked Rosalita as a companion too - I wouldn't mind seeing her again.

Reefgirl
December 29th, 2008, 12:45 AM
when you merge an old thread with a new one the posts rearrange by date.
The "title" post for this (the official) ep thread is dated AFTER the first post from the "Unofficial" thread, so we would end up with all the others posts before the "header" post...

er, does that make sense?! :o :D

*cough* so, does this mean David Morrissey can never be the 11th Dr, or is it all a cunning plot....??

nope :D

So the threads can't be merged?

rosey_angel
December 29th, 2008, 03:40 AM
personally, i'm not that pleased. i found david morrissey was not at his best in this, especially in the emotional bits. david tennant was good, but it felt like a lot of this was riding square on his shoulders. rosita was nice, but i wish we could have seen more of her to get more of a feel for her.

within the DW logic, i totally get cybermen walking around in that area, but the giant cyber robot was too far imo. in a lot of this stuff in DW and TW had been with a bit of believability as in "average" people could go on not really, 100% knowing what was going on. this broke that for me

the only thing i really liked was the Doctor going to dinner.

Night Marshal
December 29th, 2008, 06:31 AM
I personally enjoyed The Next Doctor A bit campy but I felt it was well paced much more interesting than I thought it was going to be.

Erik Pasternak
December 29th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Not my favorite Doctor Who episode. I was honestly mostly intrigued by who this other doctor was, but I very much doubted he was, in fact, the next Doctor, as I didn't think it would be fair to Steven Moffat for Russell T. Davies to be casting the next Doctor for him. Once that mystery was solved, I admittedly lost interest in the episode; there wasn't enough of a hook to grab me in. All that said, the fact that it was a lackluster episode was made up by the fact that we got to see all the previous doctors on screen... I loved that part, but really, only that part.

ShadowMaat
December 29th, 2008, 09:21 AM
I liked it well enough. It was a fun, frivolous bit of holiday cheer with a joker in the deck and a bad-ass steampunky Giant Robot of Doom ready to destroy the city. I'm a sucker for Giant Robots of Doom. Must be the supervillainess in me. :D

I knew something was off about the "Doctor" and I kinda had a guess that he was either a shyster or a "legitimate" impostor of some sort. I thought the story worked out well. The family thing was a little lame, IMO, but not unexpected and it was in keeping with the spirit of things.

It was nice to see the Doctor working with a male Companion for a change and I hope we can see some more of that in the future. I think DM did a brilliant job and it's always nice to see a different take on the role of the Doctor. Loved his TARDIS. LOL!

Still not thrilled with the Cybermen themselves and the explanation for their presence seemed a bit whiffy but it's hardly the first time TPTB have pulled a stunt like this and I doubt it'll be the last and I can roll with the punches. Particularly if there's a GROD involved. :D

Willow'sCat
December 30th, 2008, 04:34 PM
I am generally not a fan of the specials as they never really add much to the verse or to my understanding of The Doctor. Even this one, while trying to tell us something about what makes him who he is, really just went down roads we have been down before.

I did love the montage of the Who Doctors. :)

Hmm, I am not sure if the lack of Cybermen actually talking (being actively involved) made this better or worse? :cool:

I am not a huge fan of them now, all that delete rubbish is just so silly, well it was when they first appeared in Rise of the Cybermen it just gets sillier now.

Yeah I know they were in Classic Who but they were not the same, they were cheesier, scarier and they actually held a conversation with The Doctor. Their words were always far more scarier then their actions IMHO.

These guys just go delete and stomp around like morons! They were never meant to be "just" robots! Hell even RTD admits that much, so why he came back with these guys who act just like robots?! Buggered if I know! :cool:

Look, give me a guy in spandex *g* painted silver with huge amounts of insane dialogue and that is much scarier! I say bring back the spandex! :p

The gal from Ballykiss was cool as the villainess, I loved the red dress in the graveyard.

I have no idea what is up with a King-Cybermen... wtf? Was that in Classic Who? I missed it? Seriously, what story? :S

David Morrissey was great as the guy who will never be The Doctor, he was fun! I am glad he wasn't really The Doctor, there are so many reasons why that wouldn't have worked.

David Tennant was brilliant as always. :) I will truly miss him when he packs it in.

So this was definitely a Christmas Special. :p;)

Madeleine
December 31st, 2008, 01:20 AM
I fell asleep half way through. I'm going to try and catch the repeat, in the hope that it was my vile feverish cold that was to blame rather than the standard of the script.

Major Clanger
December 31st, 2008, 01:54 AM
unfortunately it was not the best of the christmas specials.

But I can't remember the Donna one because I had flu (the real thing rather than a bad cold)
but even so I think this wasn't that good

however the parts that were good - were very good. The graveyard bit, the part where Mizz-red-dress realised what she'd done and the other Doctor's "TARDIS"
apart from that - nothing truly special. We rewatched last year's and it is waaaay better.

Reefgirl
December 31st, 2008, 07:05 AM
It wasn't the best ever,

I loved David Morrisey
I want Rosita to be a companion
Mr Cyber-Stay-Puft rising out of the Thames and stomping all over London, pur-lease, I did actually find myself saying "Who ya gonna call? THE DOCTOR!!" at one point.

apart from that it was a little, meh

Pitry
January 1st, 2009, 12:51 PM
I loved it to bits. Evn the silly godzilla cyberking. David Morrissey and David Tennant are a joy to watch and I loved the Jackson Lake plot. A very weel done christmas special I thought, eaps ebtter than VotD! Wahey. :)

Matt G
January 1st, 2009, 02:13 PM
Copied from the unnofficial thread:

1. Knew there was no way in hell the David Morrisey character could be anything to do with the real Doctor.

2. Jackson Lake was hit and miss as a character, but ultimately he was a Victorian! Would have been interesting to have him hang around longer but he certainly had his uses!

3. Miss Hartigan/Cyberking...I liked the idea.

4. Damn St Paul's came close to getting crunched! How the hell could that incident have been covered up?

AvatarIII
January 2nd, 2009, 12:27 AM
overall i enjoyed it. best christmas special so far. but i still don't understand the cyberyeti's i was hoping they'd be explained... but no :(

Mousie
January 2nd, 2009, 03:28 AM
4. Damn St Paul's came close to getting crunched! How the hell could that incident have been covered up?

I guess that's why at the end David M's character said "they will be talking about this for centuries" and the Dr replied "hmm you'd think"!

Overall I thought it was ok, I also figured out quite quickly what was going on with JAckson Lake.

nich959
January 2nd, 2009, 06:03 AM
Fantastic!

Loved almost all of it, the drama, the humor. the emotion, it was a beautifully written piece and David Morrisey was fabulous. The gal from the M&S adverts was great to.

It was a relief after the cgi filled bit of nothingness that was VOTD

Sllimy
January 5th, 2009, 11:48 AM
I thought it wasn't bad, not the best, but definatley not the worst.
By the way, did anyone else think that the little boy at the end looked, 'peculiar'.

nx01a
January 5th, 2009, 02:01 PM
:(

The Good:
I thoroughly enjoyed the mystery Doctor and was open to the possibility that the Next Doctor really was the next Doctor, with the 10th Doctor getting involved in some temporal thing and having to save his future self who'd been mind-wiped by the Cybermen and had to find that one data recorder with his memories. The sad truth of the 'Doctor' really got me and made perfect sense. Well played, RTD. Everything about the 'Doctor' was great, from his reasoning for his 'sonic' screwdriver and TARDIS and companion.
>None wrote about the massive robot crushing London. Nice how RTD drew attention to the very problem most viewers had with it. :p
>Put British kids in rags and they're instantly Dickensian. :)
>I suppose it's good, but I'm ambivalent about the period racial harmony we see in Who. Were black and white people really living that happily together in London in the 1800s?
>The dialogue was brilliant.
The Doctor: What? Did you set your feet to silent?

Miss Hartigan: I doubt he's paying you to talk.

Miss Hartigan: But you promised me, you said I would never be converted!
Cyber Leader: That was designated a lie.

The Doctor: This is what you make me.

>The dimensional device. It looked like Dalek technology and fired a vortex at us. :) Loved it. The TARDIS SO needs to do that at an enemy!
>The montage of Doctors made me smile, and I did get a bit choked up when the Doctor's balloon TARDIS rose to confront the Cyberking.

[B]The Bad:
>Evila, the Ultra-Feminist. The Hillary Clinton of the Industrial Revolution gets to have revenge on all the evil men in her life and impose her will on the world. Right.
>Cyberking? My God, seriously? That was so cheesy, and I actually thought the Slitheen were cute. And they needed kids to fire its starter motor? This thing looked very steampunk, which was good, but it just didn't work for me. Throne in the mouth? Sigh.
>More 'robots falling through time'? Sigh. Wonderful setup for all those Daleks from the Genesis Ark to return in the future.
>The kids. What was the point of this? I realize it's Xmas day and kids are watching with their families, but I really didn't see the point of them. Those memory nodes probably had more power in them than those kids could produce in an hour of manual labour. And the sweatshop set really looked cheap. For a stage play, that set would be spectacular. For a tv show... No.
>The 'Doctor' and his son. That kid was obviously in shock, cause I got nothing from him emotionally.
>The effects. The scenes with the Doctor being pulled upwards inside the Cyberking were poor, especially after Voyage of the Damned. The Cyberking and London looked far too shiny, not unlike some cgi in SGA.
>I found some of the editing a bit lacking and choppy, the example that stands out for me in the split between when our Doctor hits the floor before being pulled forward by the Cyber-dogcatyetithing.
>The Cyber-dogcatyetithing. What?! Cheesiest costume of New Who yet.
>Nursemaid?!

The Verdict:
>Sadly, this is my least favourite Xmas special. With this special, I understand why some people simply hate Doctor Who.

Crazedwraith
January 7th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Sadly I think the best part of this was the montage of the previous Doctors.

The plot made no sense whatsoever. The cybermen came from the void? and built a scad load of stuff there? The void is a void; there's nothing there. That was the point. The evil woman had no discernible motivation what so ever. Why did they need to use kids as a work force when they have a bunch of cybermen standing around?

On first hearing the concept of Victorian cybermen I though it was an awesome idea. Saly the did not live up to the potential.

Coco Pops
January 25th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Loved that...... I liked Ms Hartigan. Quite the feisty villain, and lovely too.

In case I may spoil anyone I shall insert spoiler space


TARDIS = hot air balloon. Loved it.

Loved the steampunk Cyber King

Did not like the "oh I'm sorry, I'm so sorry" when the Doctor couldn't help that man regain his lost memories. I'm so sick of hearing that...

But overall that was fun, and brilliant.

Replicator Todd
January 26th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Did not like the "oh I'm sorry, I'm so sorry" when the Doctor couldn't help that man regain his lost memories. I'm so sick of hearing that...


But that is his catchphrase! The 9th Doctor had "Fantastic!" I liked this episode more than Voyage of the Damned the mystery around this new "Doctor" and the Cybermen kept me watching, but the Cyberking being a woman was kinda odd. Cyberqueen?

Coco Pops
January 26th, 2009, 09:26 PM
But that is his catchphrase! The 9th Doctor had "Fantastic!" I liked this episode more than Voyage of the Damned the mystery around this new "Doctor" and the Cybermen kept me watching, but the Cyberking being a woman was kinda odd. Cyberqueen?


Well the machine itself is the cyberking not her I think. She was quite pretty.. I liked her. Loved the steampunk cyberking

Replicator Todd
January 26th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Yeah I believe the machine was actually the Cyberking, it was awesome though!

huntress
January 26th, 2009, 11:07 PM
I re-watched the episode yesterday and my verdict from the first time around still stands - this was really one weak episode. There was also an inconsistency. The doctor should have felt that the other "doctor" wasn't one. After all timelords know when another one is around unless they use chameleon devices but when they do, then the one who use used it also doesn't know that he or she is a timelord. I thought it was rather obvious (after the fob watch) that David Morrisey coulnd't be a timelord but I was curious why he knew so much about the doctor in the first place.

uknesvuinng
January 28th, 2009, 08:36 AM
I re-watched the episode yesterday and my verdict from the first time around still stands - this was really one weak episode. There was also an inconsistency. The doctor should have felt that the other "doctor" wasn't one. After all timelords know when another one is around unless they use chameleon devices but when they do, then the one who use used it also doesn't know that he or she is a timelord. I thought it was rather obvious (after the fob watch) that David Morrisey coulnd't be a timelord but I was curious why he knew so much about the doctor in the first place.

To be fair, in the Children in Need special before Voyage of the Damned, the 5th Doctor didn't realize the 10th was him in the future. Apparently, the Doctor can't sense himself as he does other Time Lords.

gateship15
January 31st, 2009, 01:50 AM
this was a good episode. i liked the sonic screw driver being a screw driver and the tardis being a hot air balloon. i also like that in the end he gets to see the real tardis fantastic. i don't think the doctor can sence himself in the old episodes when the doctors were together the doctor only knew it was him once he met the other doctors (thro memory) and didn't know the others were there. (as in the Children in need special) and as for the how he knew so much about the doctor it was explained in the episode (the thing with memory's in it back fired)

General_Finley
March 15th, 2009, 01:27 PM
I thought it was the best christmas special so far. The cybershades were so cool, but i have one question does this mean the cybermen are dead for good now?

Coco Pops
March 15th, 2009, 02:58 PM
I thought it was the best christmas special so far. The cybershades were so cool, but i have one question does this mean the cybermen are dead for good now?


I hope so.......Or it will be like the bloody daleks always coming back and I just know they'll be back despite events in "journey's end"

They'll probably make up some craptacular excuse such as "it all happened in a parallel universe"

gateship15
March 15th, 2009, 11:26 PM
thats true i find i am getting sick of them coming back all the time i mean i like them because they are original monsters but if they still keep bringing them back without a very good explanation then they shouldn't bring them back at all. plus i am sure the doctor had other old enemys and if he doesn't they have imaginations to think of new ones

General_Finley
March 17th, 2009, 05:43 PM
thats true i find i am getting sick of them coming back all the time i mean i like them because they are original monsters but if they still keep bringing them back without a very good explanation then they shouldn't bring them back at all. plus i am sure the doctor had other old enemys and if he doesn't they have imaginations to think of new ones

I see what you mean with the Daleks but did they have to kill them and the cybermen off so utterly completely couldn't they have given them at least some kind of a way to escape destruction, cause the death of the cybers seemed so very absolute, it kind of made me sad to see them all deleted.

Coco Pops
March 17th, 2009, 05:59 PM
I see what you mean with the Daleks but did they have to kill them and the cybermen off so utterly completely couldn't they have given them at least some kind of a way to escape destruction, cause the death of the cybers seemed so very absolute, it kind of made me sad to see them all deleted.


The giant steampunk cyberking was awesome to watch.. All done with 19th century stuff hehe.....

gateship15
March 18th, 2009, 01:36 AM
I see what you mean with the Daleks but did they have to kill them and the cybermen off so utterly completely couldn't they have given them at least some kind of a way to escape destruction, cause the death of the cybers seemed so very absolute, it kind of made me sad to see them all deleted.

i agree and it was sad i just hope that they think up or find a enemy for the doctor to kill

akren
March 24th, 2009, 03:03 AM
I hope so.......Or it will be like the bloody daleks always coming back and I just know they'll be back despite events in "journey's end"

They'll probably make up some craptacular excuse such as "it all happened in a parallel universe"

Spoilers for Doomsday:


You're forgetting in Doomsday when the Daleks come out of the Time Lord containment device (the Genesis Ark) & them get sucked back into the Void along with the Cybermen. They could come back then?


I still want to see the Master return in some way or another.

gateship15
March 24th, 2009, 06:41 AM
:) true there may be a few ways of bringing them back but it will get boring after a wile i like them as bad guys but i still think bringing them back gets old

General_Finley
March 25th, 2009, 07:56 PM
i agree and it was sad i just hope that they think up or find a enemy for the doctor to kill

I would like to see an enemy the doctor couldn't kill.

gateship15
March 25th, 2009, 10:28 PM
me to that would be fantastic

Coco Pops
March 26th, 2009, 12:43 AM
I would like to see an enemy the doctor couldn't kill.


Well he couldn't kill the FOB (family of blood) despite the look of anger on his face....

gateship15
March 26th, 2009, 02:07 AM
that is true altho i think that was companion as well as thinking that what he did was the right punishment

Commander Zelix
April 2nd, 2009, 09:15 PM
I'm a big fan of the new Doctor Who. But I think this episode was weak. I choose to view it as a small Christmas special. I don't think the plot made much sense. Nothing interesting seem to have happen. But, I like the real screwdriver and the new "tardis" of the fake doctor.

gateship15
April 7th, 2009, 09:37 PM
agreed i like them to i defiantly liked the hot air balloon i also liked that the doctor in the end used it to save the world

Spimman
March 6th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Finished the Season and watched this, I enjoyed the happy ending but think it was one of this Doctor's weakest stories. I found myself bored at times.

Morgania
December 3rd, 2011, 05:02 PM
Not the best episode. I did like the other 'Doctor' and his screwdriver, and balloon Tardis though.

Girlbot
January 22nd, 2013, 03:18 PM
I just saw this ep again the other day. It was interesting to see the Ninth Doctor watching what he thought he would become . The giant Cyberking was silly. Loved the Balloon Tardis:D

maneth
May 9th, 2013, 08:14 AM
Cool episode, even if the Cyberking was silly.