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December 6th, 2008, 08:29 PM
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Dr. Keller's body is taken over by a cunning thief, while Keller finds herself imprisoned with a death sentence on another planet.

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SGAsgard
December 12th, 2008, 05:37 PM
SG1 had conect 2 another terminal for both bodies 2 be inhabited by the stone users and thus u recieve a plot hole see SG1 Origin

TeacherGal
December 12th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Don't understand what you're saying about the terminals but

Daniel and Vala's bodies were unconscious, not taken over by the other people.

jenks
December 12th, 2008, 06:05 PM
SG1 had conect 2 another terminal for both bodies 2 be inhabited by the stone users and thus u recieve a plot hole see SG1 Origin

I don't see any plot hole, only the device being used in two different ways.

Mav
December 12th, 2008, 06:05 PM
anyone know why the main thread about the episode is locked? first time i've seen it where we can't discuss tonights new episode

Rosehawk
December 12th, 2008, 06:07 PM
anyone know why the main thread about the episode is locked? first time i've seen it where we can't discuss tonights new episode

They will open it up shortly. It is typically locked until the episode airs as it is suppose to deal with the episode airing and not speculation anymore.
At least one time though it took awhile before the episode thread was unlocked. Just keep trying. :)

IWantToBelieve
December 12th, 2008, 06:08 PM
anyone know why the main thread about the episode is locked? first time i've seen it where we can't discuss tonights new episode

Maybe they're afraid of the reaction.

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 06:16 PM
I don't see any plot hole, only the device being used in two different ways.

Yup, remember in Crusade when Vala is taken over Daniel's body? At the time there was only one device being used.

So nope no massive plot holes, and speaking of that.........

They also solved the ATG gene, and made it known that an Ancient device can be activated by someone with the gene and given to someone else for use, like Teyla walking around with the LCD! So those folks should lay down their complaint.

Vala_M
December 12th, 2008, 06:17 PM
Nice episode!

Vala,

The6thRace
December 12th, 2008, 06:18 PM
So yeah it was pretty good overall, better than I was expecting for a Keller episode (sort of). Although this is one of those episodes where the characters don't really grow since the whole story was focused on someone we will NEVER see again EVER.

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 06:20 PM
First the term is continuity error. Second the only error I can find is why in Origin were Harris and Salis unconscious when Danieal and Vala occupied their bodies, and why this time it involved a body switch

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 06:20 PM
Good episode, very entertaining. I loved the little twist where Sheppard and co are racing to save Keller and you think Sheppard is the one who shot the executioner, but then again, Ronon would of likely just stunned him. But you never know with Sheppard. The Zelenka bit at the end with Carson was classic SGA right there. I loved that part and because of that gave this ep a A, which it would of been about a B+! The end was truly dark, because you don't know if she survived, I think she was killed.

Anyway, Mckeller is growing on me, and I am starting to like the couple. One last thing, this was a good team episode. Everyone had their lines and screen shots and nobody was left in the background. Everyone had something to do.

Favorite lines...

Mckay: You were shot, Zelenka was just stabbed a little.
Carson: You want me to move you out of the room
Zelenka: Only when he is here

LOL! :lol:

The6thRace
December 12th, 2008, 06:21 PM
Anyone else think Ronan was out of shape? He spends all those years being the best runner in the run against the wraith and now he can't even keep up with a common criminal? He is all gloating about how he can handle keeping an eye on the woman, then he loses her to a predictable trick. Ronan is slowly becoming useless.

Vala_M
December 12th, 2008, 06:22 PM
Cool episode. The beginning was odd and mysterious. Stabbing Zelenka was horrible! I was surprised to see that happen. A lot of blood as well.

Shouldn't the Atlantis team be more suspicious of odd behavior by now after all the times strange things have happened?

I was figuring that Neeva took over Keller's body on purpose, I was surprised that it was accidental.

Was it just me or was Carl Binder Keller's father in that picture?? Did anyone else notice that? First the Carl Binder memorial theater in "Brain Storm" and now he's also Keller's dad!

Trying to escape in a puddle jumper, was McKay actually considering taking her out? Good thing Ronon was there. I guess he was suspicious!

Wooley was spot on in what happened with her! I'm surprised the rest of the team wasn't so sure.

Beckett! I guess I forgot about him being in this episode! I'm glad we saw him again!

I hate when shows use the "In a coma" thing - in reality, comas are for months or years, not days and light comas are not for days either. No kind of coma is for days.

I'm surprised that she was so forthcoming with the truth about who she really is.

Nice to see the communications terminal again, I never thought we'd see it again, and even a mention of SG-1 and their use of the machines. Why would there be one in Pegasus though?

I hate the fake flashbacks, I refer to the Keller and McKay in Janus's lab, although I am glad to know that they were still going through it and didn't forget about it like so many other technologies.

Keller captured and going to be executed. Horrible.

Did anyone else notice that the village magistrate was that British scientist from SG-1 in "Endgame" except with a beard in this one?

Nice to see the team going to a forest planet again (because it's the 3rd to last episode otherwise it wouldn't be that exciting for me)

The execution thing was somewhat scary - in concept.

So Neeva's henchmen saved her/Keller. I was thinking it was Sheppard.

No surprise that Keller wasn't a good Neeva in the cave.

Why did Neeva in Keller's body think that her henchmen would listen to her in Keller's body or believe it? They're just simple thieves and have no concept or understanding of technologies.

So they had to destroy another communications terminal. I can't say I didn't see that one coming.

So was Neeva killed or the henchman?

Beckett thinking the flowers and chocolate was for him was priceless!

Zelenka was OK! Yay! I figured he would be though.

Vala,

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 06:24 PM
No matter how good you are there is always someone better:P

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 06:24 PM
The episode was very well written, and it is because of who it was written by. Notice how they mentioned about the gene. So that filled the little plot hole for last week's ep with Teyla walking around with a LCD! The ep had classic SGA all over it, and I love when they tie in SG-1 to the show and then make it their own.

You have to remember, A lot of the Ancient artifacts and technlogy came from Atlantis and the Pegasus galaxy, so it only makes sense they would come up again.

ladyjanus
December 12th, 2008, 06:24 PM
okay massive plot hole aside, I liked this ep, for the most part...

I liked the actress, but the character SOOOOO had to die (evil, murderous, Radek-stabbing *****)

And I like the Vancouver forests, they're so pretty and green...

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 06:26 PM
First the term is continuity error. Second the only error I can find is why in Origin were Harris and Salis unconscious when Danieal and Vala occupied their bodies, and why this time it involved a body switch

But in Crusade Vala used the device to switch with Daniel so she can warn SG-1 about the Ori's plan, so it makes sense. Both were conscious.

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 06:28 PM
But we were never given any indication that Daniel has switched Vala place in the Ori Galaxy. And to me thats the biggest compliant on Idenity

IWantToBelieve
December 12th, 2008, 06:28 PM
I resolved myself to look forward to this episode tonight even though all information pointed at a heavy Keller episode.

Unfortunately, it was a disaster. The lines in it were so stiff I swear I could see the script being read. The plot was completely predictable. I actually have one praise for it, in that I liked these natives. For once they didn't make them the stupid cliched medieval types.

But this story was just... pointless. We've already had this story via SG-1 and better done (which is saying a lot because I wasn't overly impressed with seasons 6-10 of SG-1 either). It felt like it was just another excuse to pull out the McKeller and play with them.

Worst episode in seasons 1-5, and it beats Irresistible, which is saying something!

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 06:29 PM
But we were never given any indication that Daniel has switched Vala place in the Ori Galaxy. And to me thats the biggest compliant on Idenity

We don't see Daniel in Vala's body. But again, it proves that you don't need to devices just a device and a stone. Also remember "Citizen Joe"? Same concept the stones alone exchange memories and thoughts but not actual places. See where this is going?

jenks
December 12th, 2008, 06:30 PM
Have you seen the size of him? I'm not surprised he's not the quickest of cats...

the fifth man
December 12th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I ended up enjoying this episode a lot more than I initially thought I would. It was very well written and acted by all parties involved IMO. I loved how what happened to Keller related back to something SG-1 had encountered in the past. And Zelenka was so great there at the end.

jenks
December 12th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to be honest, I wasn't expecting much. Vegas on the other hand looks like it's going to be ****ing brilliant.

Landers
December 12th, 2008, 06:34 PM
OMG. . .we must save Keller. . .AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG. . the writers are copying old SG1 scripts. . . .AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG. . .this show has become so BADDDDDDDDDDD!!!

OMG. . .these same writers will be writing for Stargate Universe!!!!!!!!!!!

Run for your lives. . .to something on ANOTHER CHANNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fifth man
December 12th, 2008, 06:35 PM
He underestimated her. Plain and simple IMO.

IWantToBelieve
December 12th, 2008, 06:35 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to be honest, I wasn't expecting much. Vegas on the other hand looks like it's going to be ****ing brilliant.

I agree with that. Vegas looks like it might be epic. Here's hoping the final two will be.

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 06:36 PM
OMG. . .we must save Keller. . .AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG. . the writers are copying old SG1 scripts. . . .AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG. . .this show has become so BADDDDDDDDDDD!!!

OMG. . .these same writers will be writing for Stargate Universe!!!!!!!!!!!

Run for your lives. . .to something on ANOTHER CHANNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!

You must show me a script where someone occupies an SG1 member and starts killing Tauri:P

dasNdanger
December 12th, 2008, 06:38 PM
I enjoyed this one very much! Very suspenseful! Poor Zelenka!

No Wraith were harmed or killed in the filming of this episode! :D


das

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 06:40 PM
I enjoyed this one very much!?* Very suspenseful!?* Poor Zelenka!No Wraith were harmed or killed in the filming of this episode!?* :DdasNot onscreen they weren't:P

Landers
December 12th, 2008, 06:41 PM
SGA is a show I used to look forward to watching every week, but I don't care anymore. I've only watched a handful of shows this season but every time I do, its all about rescuing Keller, who I don't even consider a character worth saving. She irritates the hell out of me.

Teyla has fewer lines than a guest star and doesn't even feel part of the cast anymore.

Sheesh, when our "team" went into that building in the town, stormtrooper uniforms and big ole guns in hand, those two women didn't bat an eye, like they see this every day. It was just stupid. Even Flanigan seemed completely embarrassed to be saying his lines in that scene.

I'm also sick of the SG1 rehashing. These writers couldn't come up with anything new if it was handed them on a silver platter. Yep, this show deserves to be put down.

The6thRace
December 12th, 2008, 06:48 PM
I'm also sick of the SG1 rehashing. These writers couldn't come up with anything new if it was handed them on a silver platter. Yep, this show deserves to be put down.


Not really a rehash, just using existing continuity to tell a different story. Daniel and Valas trip can't even be compared to this body switch. Criticizing a piece of technology would be like getting mad every time Sheppard uses a P90 since SG-1 had one too.

Vala_M
December 12th, 2008, 06:49 PM
Either the writers are making the device work however they want or the device has multiple functions. I agree, it's gone past confusing at this point. Or is the device a variation built later in Pegasus as the original devices were build before the Ancients went to Pegasus?

Vala,

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Not really a rehash, just using existing continuity to tell a different story. Daniel and Valas trip can't even be compared to this body switch. Criticizing a piece of technology would be like getting mad every time Sheppard uses a P90 since SG-1 had one too.

Yeah how is this a rehash? Because they used the same Ancient device? Give me a break. :S

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Yeah how is this a rehash? Because they used the same Ancient device? Give me a break. :SWell Sheppard's team walked through the Stargate and SG1 constantly walked through the Stargate.:P

The6thRace
December 12th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Either the writers are making the device work however they want or the device has multiple functions. I agree, it's gone past confusing at this point. Or is the device a variation built later in Pegasus as the original devices were build before the Ancients went to Pegasus?

Vala,

Well, it does have multiple slots. Daniel may have placed the crystal in the 'transfer memory to other person, hold other persons memory in data storage' while that woman may have placed the crystal in the 'transfer memory to other person, other person transfer memory to me' slot.

It'd make sense anyways. Theoretically, the ancients could have used the device to quickly transport specialists (medics, engineers, etc) where a Stargate wasn't accessible, or in emergency situations. The range on the device is what is ridiculous if you ask me. It already went from Earth to the Ori Galaxy.

The6thRace
December 12th, 2008, 07:00 PM
Well Sheppard's team walked through the Stargate and SG1 constantly walked through the Stargate.:P

Stop rehashing my style. Just because I post on a forum on the internet doesn't mean you have to too. Get your own thing Jelgate.

jelgate
December 12th, 2008, 07:02 PM
Stop rehashing my style.?* Just because I post on a forum on the internet doesn't mean you have to too.?* Get your own thing Jelgate.But it was my thing first:P

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 07:02 PM
Well Sheppard's team walked through the Stargate and SG1 constantly walked through the Stargate.:P

I know what a ripoff and rehash. SGA's gate should be square not round. ;)


Stop rehashing my style. Just because I post on a forum on the internet doesn't mean you have to too. Get your own thing Jelgate.

LOL! :p

Landers
December 12th, 2008, 07:03 PM
Yeah how is this a rehash? Because they used the same Ancient device? Give me a break. :S

Since you like this device so much get ready for Stargate Universe - as it will be featured heavily on that show. Gags.

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Since you like this device so much get ready for Stargate Universe - as it will be featured heavily on that show. Gags.

I am not ready for it and have my doubts. I apologize if I am a little assertive with my posts. My favorite current show is ending in two episodes, and the reason for it ending is Bull. So again, sorry.

Livestick
December 12th, 2008, 07:07 PM
This may just be me, but I thought this device looked slightly different than the one in origin, so it would make sense for it to be a different version of the device. Or, maybe this is how the device is actually supposed to work. It was clearly stated in origin that that device wasn't working properly.

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Either the writers are making the device work however they want or the device has multiple functions. I agree, it's gone past confusing at this point. Or is the device a variation built later in Pegasus as the original devices were build before the Ancients went to Pegasus?

Vala,

It's like a car, maybe they have like CE, LE, XLE models. :p

prion
December 12th, 2008, 07:11 PM
What was that whatyacallit device doing in the Pegaus Galaxy?

I'm figuring Neela is dead. Or will be, and she so deserves it, if nothing else, for starbbing Zelenka for no good reason. Yes, die die die. Neela, that is. She wasn't a sympathetic character and apparently deserved what she got.

Liked how Ronon figured out Keller wasn't Keller before Rodney did. Hmm....

Overall, not a bad episode, although well, could have done without another McKeller ending. Where the hell did McKay get a box of Godiva chocolates in the Pegasus galaxy??

I think Teyla had some lines. Sigh. I hope she gets more lines in the final episode!

Coolest shot: jumper flying overhead as seen from balcony.

Next week's honestly looks better.

I'm also waiting for Rodney to just snap, as he goes back and forth from being sooo nice to Keller, then snarky without everybody else, that eventually his brain is going to get whiplash. ;)

Aliens were decent (liked the lead guy - good actor) and the women weren't busty wenches for once.

My biggest gripe, and one that makes me think the writers just go 'meh, no one will notice and if they do, who cares?' -- I thought they were trying to keep Atlantis sorta under wraps, yet they seem to blab "I'm from Atlantis" to everyone and anyone??

Oh, another gripe. Keller's acting off, and Woolsey thinks, 'hmm parasite or contagion' and they don't lock her in her quarters.

Yeah, next week's looks pretty good.

Mav
December 12th, 2008, 07:14 PM
i thought it was a great episode.

though i'm tired of Ronon at this point, obviously he still is somehow in this triangle with McKellar and it's weird.yea it could be explained he "knew it wasn't her" from the very start of the episode but yea things looked a little fishy until Rodney stepped in.

1LostFurling
December 12th, 2008, 07:25 PM
For the first time ever in the Stargate franchise I found myself anxiously waiting for a commercial. Blah.

It appears eppys 19 & 20 will be blockbusters. I cannot wait for them.

I have to say, it appears TPTB wanted to make sure no one missed SGA and all looked forward to Universe. I will not miss SGA if this is what we would've gotten. But I hope Universe brings some creative writing to the table.

Complancy...that is all I see when I look at most of the writing this season. It just feels like TPTB and the actors phoned this season in, especially in the episodes shot after the cancellation.

I know the diehards here will blast me for this post but I want someone to make a strong case that this season represents the very best that TPTB are capable of. These are the people (for the most part) who saw SG-1 to 10 seasons. If anyone here can put forth a convincing case for such an argument then I'm all ears.

Briangate78
December 12th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Complancy...that is all I see when I look at most of the writing this season. It just feels like TPTB and the actors phoned this season in, especially in the episodes shot after the cancellation.

I know the diehards here will blast me for this post but I want someone to make a strong case that this season represents the very best that TPTB are capable of.

Well not going to blast you, but I do have to say Season 4 still stands as my favorite season. They lost a little zing this season. Last Season had some really great eps, so did this season though.

I strongly disagree about the phoning in this season. Have you watched eps like "Search and Rescue", "The Shrine", "Broken Ties", "Ghost in the Machine", "The Queen", "Remnants", "The Prodigal", "Infection", and etc. The actors were really into this season and were enjoying their scripts. So no, they were not phoning in their acting.

The last 2 eps are going to be epic!

jjit
December 12th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Did Carl Binder create Dr. Keller this character?
So Carl as Keller's father in the pic. Like an Easter Eggs.

SGLAB
December 12th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Yup, remember in Crusade when Vala is taken over Daniel's body? At the time there was only one device being used.

So nope no massive plot holes, and speaking of that.........

They also solved the ATG gene, and made it known that an Ancient device can be activated by someone with the gene and given to someone else for use, like Teyla walking around with the LCD! So those folks should lay down their complaint.

It was already established in season 1 Hide and Seek that some technology could be used by people without the ATA gene if someone with it turned it on. But there is technology e.g., puddlejumper and life signs detector that can only be used by someone with the ATA gene.

Hide and Seek GW transcript.
GRODIN: It seems some Ancient technology requires the user to have the gene. Other things merely require initialisation. Once activated, I can control it. Anyone can push the buttons to make it work.

1LostFurling
December 12th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Well not going to blast you, but I do have to say Season 4 still stands as my favorite season. They lost a little zing this season. Last Season had some really great eps, so did this season though.

I strongly disagree about the phoning in this season. Have you watched eps like "Search and Rescue", "The Shrine", "Broken Ties", "Ghost in the Machine", "The Queen", "Remnants", "The Prodigal", "Infection", and etc. The actors were really into this season and were enjoying their scripts. So no, they were not phoning in their acting.

The last 2 eps are going to be epic!
Yes, season four was pretty good, at least IMHO. But they weren't cancelled in season 4. Yes, the final two eps will probably go a long way to improve this season overall. But that is the perspective I am looking at...the whole season.

Season 5 started very strong, I felt it would be the best season ever. At no point did we have the sort of poor episode like "Irrestible" where I wanted to put a gun to my head but I STILL WATCHED all of Irrestible. I wanted "Identity" to cut to commericals so I could be distracted from how un-entertaining it was. I did gut it out but man...it wasn't easy.

But this season it seems after the hot start things got weak overall. While I liked 10 & 11 with the Asgard, I just want fresh ideas. I won't accuse TPTB of reusing scripts like others have on this board, but at a minimum they are reusing old ideas rather than putting in some effort into original thought.

That's what attracted me (and I think others) to SG-1. Original thought...something different yet familiar than other offerings in the sci-fi genre. Stale...that is what this series is. It is definately time to cancel SGA. What pisses me off is the distinct possibility that this staleness I perceive was intentionally done by TPTB. And I don't mean Mallozzi & Mullie...I mean Wright and Cooper.

What worries me most about Universe is that it seems all the same writers and directors will be involved in this new series. Nothing against Mallozzi & crew but they need to move on and allow new faces to run with this new show. But the ones who REALLY need to move on are Wright & Cooper. Those two are dictators who will see their desires materialize on the screen at all costs. Their arrogent, self-centered desire to "put their stamp" on this franchise is killing it.

Bring back Damien Kindler. While Sanctuary is no SG-1, it certainly has entertained me more than SGA this season save for a couple of eppys.

Mekarri
December 12th, 2008, 08:05 PM
The episode was very well written, and it is because of who it was written by. Notice how they mentioned about the gene. So that filled the little plot hole for last week's ep with Teyla walking around with a LCD! The ep had classic SGA all over it, and I love when they tie in SG-1 to the show and then make it their own.

You have to remember, A lot of the Ancient artifacts and technlogy came from Atlantis and the Pegasus galaxy, so it only makes sense they would come up again.
I think this was a good eps. I thought I wouldn't like it because it was going to be a Keller plot but I was pleasantly surprised. I never cared for Jewel as an actor. I didn't really care for her character on Firefly. I do still miss Elizabeth but I was glad to see beckett again. I always thought that Rodney got over that other woman kind of quickly. I assume he loved her, he was about to ask her to marry him. It just all very strange to me. But if they wanted to couple someone off I wish it would have been Ronon or John, I would included Teyla but the writers would have screwed it up. But Rodney and Keller is just uninteresting as a couple IMHO. This was a good eps and I really enjoyed it.

Ripple in Space
December 12th, 2008, 08:22 PM
The only criticism I have is that this was a pretty mediocre episode to have for the third to last...

Earthgate Ricky
December 12th, 2008, 08:32 PM
It's good episode between Mckay, Beckett and Keller

I am glad to see Dr. Beckett again. I want to see more of hot Scottish doctor. :beckettanime04:

I pray that Woolsey replaces Dr. Keller with Dr Beckett as Cheif of medical staffs.

sagey
December 12th, 2008, 08:33 PM
just wanted to mention about the life sign detectors...
In season four Travellers...Shepperd activates one and then Larrin is using it...

hugs

supersoldier34
December 12th, 2008, 08:58 PM
He ran at the speed of plot

Ruffles
December 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM
I liked it. I thought the guest stars were exceptionally good (did Neeva remind anyone else of Larrin?). I liked the uncertainty at the beginning. I love a good mystery, and I was intrigued by who this was and how she got in Keller's body. As another poster said, I wasn't expecting it to be an accident.

I loved seeing the team running through the woods. Jason Momoa can really fly! I liked that Ronon figured out she wasn't Keller and that she gave him the slip when he was chasing her. Good to see him being smart but not perfect.

Woolsey's reaction to Radek being stabbed (poor Radek!) was excellent. I love it when they get all protective of each other. I liked the bit of information about the world Carson was on. Gives me the feeling that he keeps in close contact yet is working hard treating the sick. Nice mention of Lorne even if we didn't get to see him. The secondary characters really, really add to the richness of the show.

Sweet scene at the end between Jennifer and Rodney. And I can't wait to read the translation of what Radek was saying. Has Carson picked up some Czech or was he just agreeing with the tone?

Not a perfect ep, but an entertaining one. Just what I was looking for.

And Vegas looks fantastic! My TV was sizzling when scruffy Sheppard appeared. That preview gives me something to cling to for the next few weeks.

Major_Griff
December 12th, 2008, 09:27 PM
Pretty good ep, but nothing really special.

duffarama
December 12th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I'd have to agree that Season 4 was the best season. Season 5 has been inconsistent regarding the quality of episodes, especially the writing.

I was disappointed once again at the lack of input from Teyla. She has been one of the most underused main characters in Stargate history. Would it have been an improvement if Teyla was a 'runner' instead of Ronon, and Ronon didn't exist? (at no discredit to Jason Momoa)

Although I enjoyed this episode, I would have preferred it to be more memorable. I am hoping that the last 2 episodes will cap off SGA's fantastic run in style.

Avenger
December 12th, 2008, 11:14 PM
SG1 had conect 2 another terminal for both bodies 2 be inhabited by the stone users and thus u recieve a plot hole see SG1 Origin

Perhaps the vast distance between the two galaxies in the SG-1 instance required two terminals. Maybe the terminal in the Pegasus galaxy was a new and improved model with different features. There are plenty of reasonable explanations as to why it worked differently in this episode, and if there is a reasonable explanation, it's not a plot hole.

December 12th, 2008, 11:29 PM
What I don't get is that it seems anything made by the Ancients is fairly easy to use EXCEPT when it comes to their version of a cell phone.

It's as if you call your mother but the only way to end the call is to blow up your phone.

bluealien
December 13th, 2008, 01:04 AM
Dreadful pile of crap. Keller can only do bug eyed and smirky. Again another total waste of an episode.

The rest of the team look bored out of their minds. Maybe they've just given up on the crap they get dished out almost every week.


2/10

Giantevilhead
December 13th, 2008, 01:16 AM
Even if Neeva is better than Ronon, she's not in her own body. She's in Keller's body and seems very unlikely that Keller can outrun Ronon.

Giantevilhead
December 13th, 2008, 01:28 AM
When Rodney and Sheppard were discussing how to shut the device down, they forgot that when Vala took over Daniel's body in "Crusade," the link was severed when Tomin shot the device.

Why was Rodney so excited about Janus's personal cloaking device? The Goa'uld, Asgard, and Sodan all have personal cloaking devices and they have access to both the Asgard and Sodan ones.

Their unwillingness or inability to use advanced technology is getting really annoying. They use Ancient medical scanners but still rely on primitive earth surgical tools. They're fine with using Goa'uld, Asgard, and Ancient technology when it comes to killing people, they need to use some of that advanced technology to save people.

Womble
December 13th, 2008, 02:09 AM
Is it just me, or did Zelenka become the first person in the world to get a stabbing wound from a pair of pliers?

Couldn't they have Neeva use a screwdriver, a pair of scissors- something sharp, y'know?

Anon
December 13th, 2008, 02:18 AM
I dont know, i was watching it, then i fell asleep at 8:45 (long week).

Lahela
December 13th, 2008, 02:28 AM
Maybe Ronon simply couldn't be bothered putting in the effort to save Keller (or her body) yet again ;)

AutumnDream
December 13th, 2008, 02:44 AM
Haha, wow. This show remains completely irrelevant to its premise 'till the very end. Great job rehashing a stupid idea from SG1, however.

"Sooo, slot 18 is open. Should we do a story about Atlantis... or a trite sci-fi romp we have seen at least a dozen times before?" ~ Atlantis writer's room.

Welp, at least Jewel Staite is really pretty. Looking at her is always nice, but I can just go rewatch Firefly for that, and a superior experience all-around.

Callie
December 13th, 2008, 02:59 AM
When Rodney first finds Neeva/Jen and takes her earwig out, he says something that sounds like, "Come on, it's ?Tinsel? Day." I think he was referring to some sort of special food day in the Mess Hall. Did anyone catch what he really said?

Anubis-
December 13th, 2008, 03:19 AM
I dont know, i was watching it, then i fell asleep at 8:45 (long week).

Really? What you do ewhen you wake up?

Crazedwraith
December 13th, 2008, 03:23 AM
You know the thread title is a massive spoiler that gets shown up on the main page whenever the thread is the top of the forum...

All I can say, not having seen the episode, is that I hope Zelenka survived the stabbing.

dannster
December 13th, 2008, 03:26 AM
I thought that too!!!!!!!! And they weren't just small pliers, but massive ones!!!!!

Maybe if they were fired from a bullet? But from a skinny girl like that? It'd be like stabbing you with something liiiiike *thinks of large blunt objects* wii mote???

AlphaBlu
December 13th, 2008, 03:31 AM
Schnitzel day.

BYE

Agent_Dark
December 13th, 2008, 03:37 AM
lol at carl binder as keller's dad

g.o.d
December 13th, 2008, 03:58 AM
what a piece of crap with bored actors this episode was

JackHarkness_Hot
December 13th, 2008, 04:04 AM
I thought the execution of this episode wasn't as bad as I first thought it would be. Though this was a Keller episode, there wasn't a total heavy element of her that spoils her character, so that was a nice change compared to earlier episodes of Season 5 where she would be doing things, that is in reality outside her boundaries.

Jewel performed well when she pleaded her innocence and the magistrate ignored her pleas but anywho, it was nice to see the Ancient communications terminal again, though would have been cool if the device exploded when Ronan shot at it. Would have been bittersweet lol, but it didn't.

IMO, Neeva died, I doubt she had a hidden gun and took it out in time for her to shoot at the guy.

i_adore_atlantis
December 13th, 2008, 04:19 AM
What happened to my favorite show? :(

I loved the show to bits for the first 4 years and up to early season 5, but then it went downhill (IMO) so quickly and I can't understand why. These are mainly the same writers who gave us the wonderful seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4. How could they come up with... this?

It's a pity, because IMO Woolsey is far better than Carter and has far better chemistry with the characters, so this season had the potential of being even better than season 4.

But suddenly the writers decided to disregard the team dynamics, to forget about the interaction between John, Ronon, Rodney and Teyla; to wallpaper John and Teyla, and the only reason Ronon has been there more than John and Teyla is because they decided to make him part of the stupid love triangle. He would've been wallpapered as much as John and Teyla otherwise.

I didn't mind Keller as a background character last season but with the Keller overdose this season, I can't stand her anymore. I don't understand why they decided to focus so much on a background character.

I used to love Rodney and I still like him somehow when he's not in the same room as Keller... but they've ruined the character so much this season that he has become my least favorite character among the team members.

And this episode was more of the same stuff that we've been getting this season. Out of the 18 episodes aired so far only 7 at most have been very good/excellent. The rest were all bad/mediocre/meh (IMO).

Why would I care to watch an episode focused on a guest star? It could've been an episode focused on the team, or, if they wanted to focus on a character, they could've focused on Ronon, John or Teyla, who have been so neglected this season. I don't tune in to watch the guest-hour show with an overdose of McKay and Keller.

I'll watch until the bitter end (it's not like we have a lot more left anyway) out of respect for Joe, Rachel, Jason and David (even if they've ruined David's character). But, to be honest, had there been a season 6, I'm not sure I could've watched it, unless they dropped the Keller and McKeller lovefest.

Seeing the show I loved for 4 1/4 years end up like this is so frustrating and disappointing :(

bluealien
December 13th, 2008, 04:40 AM
What happened to my favorite show? :(

I loved the show to bits for the first 4 years and up to early season 5, but then it went downhill (IMO) so quickly and I can't understand why. These are mainly the same writers who gave us the wonderful seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4. How could they come up with... this?

It's a pity, because IMO Woolsey is far better than Carter and has far better chemistry with the characters, so this season had the potential of being even better than season 4.

But suddenly the writers decided to disregard the team dynamics, to forget about the interaction between John, Ronon, Rodney and Teyla; to wallpaper John and Teyla, and the only reason Ronon has been there more than John and Teyla is because they decided to make him part of the stupid love triangle. He would've been wallpapered as much as John and Teyla otherwise.

I didn't mind Keller as a background character last season but with the Keller overdose this season, I can't stand her anymore. I don't understand why they decided to focus so much on a background character.

I used to love Rodney and I still like him somehow when he's not in the same room as Keller... but they've ruined the character so much this season that he has become my least favorite character among the team members.

And this episode was more of the same stuff that we've been getting this season. Out of the 18 episodes aired so far only 7 at most have been very good/excellent. The rest were all bad/mediocre/meh (IMO).

Why would I care to watch an episode focused on a guest star? It could've been an episode focused on the team, or, if they wanted to focus on a character, they could've focused on Ronon, John or Teyla, who have been so neglected this season. I don't tune in to watch the guest-hour show with an overdose of McKay and Keller.

I'll watch until the bitter end (it's not like we have a lot more left anyway) out of respect for Joe, Rachel, Jason and David (even if they've ruined David's character). But, to be honest, had there been a season 6, I'm not sure I could've watched it, unless they dropped the Keller and McKeller lovefest.

Seeing the show I loved for 4 1/4 years end up like this is so frustrating and disappointing :(

Yep, you pretty much summed it up.... so many of the characters wasted for another romp in the forest with Keller.. and what have the writers turned Rodney into...... the first scene with Keller/Neeva he was acting like a bouncing teenybobber.. all the characters are just lame renditions of their former selves.....:(


Looking forward to Vegas ...hoping to see JF actually get something decent to do..

stargatefan234
December 13th, 2008, 04:58 AM
Anyone else think Ronan was out of shape? He spends all those years being the best runner in the run against the wraith and now he can't even keep up with a common criminal? He is all gloating about how he can handle keeping an eye on the woman, then he loses her to a predictable trick. Ronan is slowly becoming useless.

You mean he was once actually useful, When? And What Was His Use?

knowles2
December 13th, 2008, 05:13 AM
What stranger is that this once again makes a other powerful weapon which could be use to defeat the Wraith, unless the wraith can fight it of cause but presuming they cannot, the ancients should of use the device to infiltrate the wraith and destroy their vessels from the inside out and to gather info.

I have not seen the episode yet so it might be explained.

FoolishPleasure
December 13th, 2008, 05:29 AM
This was my favorite show until Beckett and Weir went down the tubes and our illustrious writers decided to turn it into "Stargate: Love Triangle", or maybe it is better titled, "Stargate: Save Keller!", or this would work too - "Stargate: Use Old Ideas That Worked Better On SG1 But Writers Are Too Lazy To THINK".

Even Sheppard feels like a recurring character this season and poor Teyla has become "background fodder". Teyla's street smarts, compassion, and unusual culture made her an interesting character that never was used properly. Now its all about Keller, and listening to her whine at Rodney in Janus' lab in an early scene should have been the cue to switch channels, but no. I guess everyone wants to see the jumbo pile of steaming doo swish down the bowl and disappear into oblivion. There is something refreshing about watching crap get washed away. ;)

Cancellation couldn't have come at a better time. Sad thing is that we get this same group of writers on "Stargate Universe" and they are already bragging about their new whiny, spoiled brat, beautiful, young (even younger than Keller!), leading lady.

Know who my absolute FAV character in scifi is at the moment? WALTER from "Fringe", who is OLD. . .OMG!!! An OLD geezer is the most interesting character on TV at the moment. Walter the Mad Scientist would never make it in the Stargate world! He has WRINKLES!

Bah, time to move on. Not interested anymore.

Shaod
December 13th, 2008, 06:14 AM
Let me be honest here.
This wasn't a very good episode. The concept wasn't too bad,. but it felt like they rushed the ending. Although they referenced SG1, which is a plus.

CazzBlade
December 13th, 2008, 06:28 AM
What happened to my favorite show? :(

I loved the show to bits for the first 4 years and up to early season 5, but then it went downhill (IMO) so quickly and I can't understand why. These are mainly the same writers who gave us the wonderful seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4. How could they come up with... this?

It's a pity, because IMO Woolsey is far better than Carter and has far better chemistry with the characters, so this season had the potential of being even better than season 4.

But suddenly the writers decided to disregard the team dynamics, to forget about the interaction between John, Ronon, Rodney and Teyla; to wallpaper John and Teyla, and the only reason Ronon has been there more than John and Teyla is because they decided to make him part of the stupid love triangle. He would've been wallpapered as much as John and Teyla otherwise.

I didn't mind Keller as a background character last season but with the Keller overdose this season, I can't stand her anymore. I don't understand why they decided to focus so much on a background character.

I used to love Rodney and I still like him somehow when he's not in the same room as Keller... but they've ruined the character so much this season that he has become my least favorite character among the team members.

Why would I care to watch an episode focused on a guest star? It could've been an episode focused on the team, or, if they wanted to focus on a character, they could've focused on Ronon, John or Teyla, who have been so neglected this season. I don't tune in to watch the guest-hour show with an overdose of McKay and Keller.

I'll watch until the bitter end (it's not like we have a lot more left anyway) out of respect for Joe, Rachel, Jason and David (even if they've ruined David's character). But, to be honest, had there been a season 6, I'm not sure I could've watched it, unless they dropped the Keller and McKeller lovefest.

Seeing the show I loved for 4 1/4 years end up like this is so frustrating and disappointing :(

Ditto!

I didn't watch BS because I knew I would hate it, but I was fairly hopefull that this ep would be alright. Boy, was I wrong! Can I have 45 minutes of my life back please?

kenny4657
December 13th, 2008, 06:33 AM
I was actually hoping they switched the body while Keller's body got shot dead, then we will have a new keller, I bet McKay will be happy with the result....:cameron:

ykickamoocow
December 13th, 2008, 06:48 AM
The past few episodes i have noticed that McKay is going off world with little to no weapons (he has a hand gun in this episode but no P90) and he also wasnt wearing his vest (even Carson was wearing a vest). Is there any particular reason why McKay hasnt been using a P90 (or wearing the correct uniform) of late or has someone at the props department just stuffed up.

P-90_177
December 13th, 2008, 06:51 AM
Maybe Shep finally realised it was safer for everyone if McKay wasn't armed.......

wkw427
December 13th, 2008, 06:59 AM
You want to be an example of stabbing with pliers?


It is pointy, it can stab.

I can stab you with a can or tuna is I tried ahrd enough

ykickamoocow
December 13th, 2008, 06:59 AM
Maybe Shep finally realised it was safer for everyone if McKay wasn't armed.......

Any apparently also it is best if he isnt wearing a bullet proof vest aswell.

Anyway McKay had become quite good at using a P90 late in season 4 and early in season 5.

Davidtourniquet
December 13th, 2008, 07:06 AM
Just thought of something in one ep didn't Oneill swap memories with someone else using the stones.

gatechick
December 13th, 2008, 07:07 AM
I went into this with the attitude that I was gonna give it a chance, since I don't like Keller's character, and I'm getting sick of Rodney. Initially i thought this will be good. What happened to Radek , I almost cried, but in a way I was like finally a character gets hurt, but they better not kill him. I love Radek! Anyway I thought the guest stars acting was quite stiff, and I was actually a little embarrassed watching her. I liked the use of the ancient device, I felt like I was actually watching a stargate (not sg-1) episode again. Finally they are using some ancient tech, never mind they are using the idea of switching bodies again. But the episode ended up being blah for me. I honestly do not enjoy keller's acting, and the team seemed very stiff. I was happy to see Ronon used a bit more. I loved it when he just said the heck with it and did in the ancient device with a shot. I knew that was gonna happen, because the way he was looking at it.

Ava H.
December 13th, 2008, 07:13 AM
Why all women-thiefs in both galaxies are sexy and seductive? That's beyond me. I would expect they would be stigmatized by the life they are living ... oh whatever.
And the same woods again! mamma mia!
Poor Radek! I felt so sorry for him! But his final rambling was quite entertaining LMAO :D

Vn70072
December 13th, 2008, 07:25 AM
What I don't get is that it seems anything made by the Ancients is fairly easy to use EXCEPT when it comes to their version of a cell phone.

It's as if you call your mother but the only way to end the call is to blow up your phone.

*laughs* Nice sig too, by the way.

Is it really their version of the cell phone, though? A long-range communication device to be sure, but it might not really be an intended equivalent.

It could be the same as anyone on Earth from centuries past suddenly finding a phone in the modern age. They might find a speed-dial button and call somebody, but they won't know how to shut it off again, just like, as you said, SGC's/Atlantis's only way to deactivate one of these is to blow it up.

Just because the humans of Earth haven't figured out how to deactivate the device without destroying it doesn't mean there isn't a way in the device's design, right?

supersoldier34
December 13th, 2008, 07:32 AM
snip

I can stab you with a can or tuna is I tried ahrd enough

:lol: my cats would try to eat me after that

AscendedThor
December 13th, 2008, 07:40 AM
so they shot the device and immediately assume that keller is back?

why not ask her a few questions to make sure its really her and not the other chick pretending to be her again?

we as the audience could see that its her but they couldn't !

i was hoping Keller would have a laugh by pretending to be the other chick in the end, and scare the hell out of Rodney or Zelekna... but it didn't happen : (

Pegasus_SGA
December 13th, 2008, 07:42 AM
Oh where to start...... :(

Dissapointed would be a word to describe this. I agree very much with i_adore_atlantis I don't know what's happened this season, but i'm not enjoying it. I'm having enormous difficulty with enjoying particularly the latter half of the season, whether it's the style or non uniformity, or the stories, or placement of characters i'm not sure. The premise of this ep was very much like the storyline in SG1 as mentioned by Rodney. Now I have no problems with writers taken a snippet of something that happened previously and buidling on it, but for me there really wasn't that much difference between this and the SG1 version. And that one wasn't great either. :lol:

I love Rodney, he's always been one of my fave characters, but I just feel as if he's become schizophrenic this season, his demenour, his mood changes drastically depending on whomever he is with, and I just don't get that inconsistency... and there was one line in there and I honestly thought what have you done with Rodney, and that bit was when Radek was stabbed and bleeding to death.

I mean seriously, this is his friend, and he demeans what's happened to him? I just shook my head in disgust. This whole McKay and Keller focus for me has overtaken everything. The focus now seems for me no longer on the team or on Atlantis, it's all about McKay and Keller and them getting as much screen time and development as humanely possible before the end of the season... What's happened to the interactions of the team? They now just show up fire a few rounds and go running around the woods? *yawn* And Ronon knowing something was wrong with Keller before Rodney? Where did that come from? Yes Ronon is intuitive, but seriously McKay doesn't realise that something is drastic wrong with Keller? His girlfriend, the love of his life that he knows in the most intimate ways?

I thought it was very kind of them to at least give Shep and Teyla a few lines, but the substance for me isn't there. It's not enough they go through the woods trying to rescue Keller AGAIN!! That's not why I tune in. Suprisingly I tune in for interaction and development of the team, and that just doesn't seem to be happening anymore. Why do they need Shep/Teyla/Ronon anymore given the script they're given... any actor could do what they've been given the last few eps. They've all gone back to being 2 dimensional cardboard cutouts with nothing to do, and no development.

Enough with the Keller and McKay focus!!! JM pointed out on his blog that Keller hasn't had that much focus this season. I disagree. She's had Tracker, Identity, Brain Storm, The Seed. The focus and the storyline has been on her!! Tracker.. Keller gets kidnapped, Identity... Keller gets kidnapped... Brain Storm... Keller and McKay getting their leg over... The Seed.. Keller being infected by an organism... That's 4 episodes where the focus is on Keller and to a large degree McKay. Where is that opportunity for Shep, for Teyla, for Ronon???

I'm just annoyed, frustrated and pissed off that it's come down to this. The show I love is now just a shell of itself. I mean could the device not have infected Teyla? Would that not have been a good development for her? Could she not have been the one to have been body swapped? Would it really have been that difficult particularly as she is female also? Ah but silly me, I forget that Teyla is just there for decoration... *iz gutted* :(

So disappointed

Lythisrose
December 13th, 2008, 07:48 AM
What happened to my favorite show? :(

I loved the show to bits for the first 4 years and up to early season 5, but then it went downhill (IMO) so quickly and I can't understand why. These are mainly the same writers who gave us the wonderful seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4. How could they come up with... this?

It's a pity, because IMO Woolsey is far better than Carter and has far better chemistry with the characters, so this season had the potential of being even better than season 4.

But suddenly the writers decided to disregard the team dynamics, to forget about the interaction between John, Ronon, Rodney and Teyla; to wallpaper John and Teyla, and the only reason Ronon has been there more than John and Teyla is because they decided to make him part of the stupid love triangle. He would've been wallpapered as much as John and Teyla otherwise.

I didn't mind Keller as a background character last season but with the Keller overdose this season, I can't stand her anymore. I don't understand why they decided to focus so much on a background character.

I used to love Rodney and I still like him somehow when he's not in the same room as Keller... but they've ruined the character so much this season that he has become my least favorite character among the team members.

And this episode was more of the same stuff that we've been getting this season. Out of the 18 episodes aired so far only 7 at most have been very good/excellent. The rest were all bad/mediocre/meh (IMO).

Why would I care to watch an episode focused on a guest star? It could've been an episode focused on the team, or, if they wanted to focus on a character, they could've focused on Ronon, John or Teyla, who have been so neglected this season. I don't tune in to watch the guest-hour show with an overdose of McKay and Keller.

I'll watch until the bitter end (it's not like we have a lot more left anyway) out of respect for Joe, Rachel, Jason and David (even if they've ruined David's character). But, to be honest, had there been a season 6, I'm not sure I could've watched it, unless they dropped the Keller and McKeller lovefest.

Seeing the show I loved for 4 1/4 years end up like this is so frustrating and disappointing :(

Agreed, completely. :(

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Geez people a few poor eps and the entire season is shot? Give me a break.

Lucylee
December 13th, 2008, 07:54 AM
They must have, because this sure isn't the show that I've watched and grown to love for almost 4 1/2 years. :confused:
What happened to the adventures of our Team and the great city of Atlantis?
Watching this episode in conjuction with so much of the focus in many of the others this season on McKeller and the Perils of Jennifer, I am wondering, who switched out Atlantis with this imposter? :mad:

g.o.d
December 13th, 2008, 07:55 AM
this show is a crap since s2

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 07:57 AM
this show is a crap since s2

That is your opinion dude. Yet the ratings have gone up.

Pegasus_SGA
December 13th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Geez people a few poor eps and the entire season is shot? Give me a break.
Nearly half a season though is not a few eps though Brian... I thought the first few eps of S5 were great, but we've had so few team eps this year and the focus of giving development to characters has shifted to just two of the main characters... that's unbalanced. I fell in love with the team and Atlantis, and we've not had that for a long time. And when we have had it, it's been bitty and the focus has not been on the team! I still love SGA and will watch to the end and buy the DVD in the hope we'll get some great stuff, but after eps like this, Tracker, BS, sorry I want my team back and I wnat the doctor back to doing doctoring.....

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 07:58 AM
That is your opinion dude. Yet the ratings have gone up.Ratings are hardly a good measurement of quality

g.o.d
December 13th, 2008, 07:58 AM
That is your opinion dude. Yet the ratings have gone up.

quality is not equal to popularity. Brian ;)

bluealien
December 13th, 2008, 07:59 AM
Geez people a few poor eps and the entire season is shot? Give me a break.

Well only a few good eps for me.... about 5. Out of 18 so far that's not really all that stellar..
Most of the season has been wasted potential IMO...... The team are non existant except for Search and Rescue.... they may have been together in the same eps for a few more but no team feeling at all... I can count on one hand when any of them actually interacted with one another....

They just came across as kinda bored in Identity.. been there.. done this.. way too may times.

Why on earth do the writers give so much screentime to a guest star when we have only 2 eps left... why not Ronon or Teyla as they have been totally ignored this season.... why another Keller and McKeller focused episode...

bluealien
December 13th, 2008, 08:02 AM
this show is a crap since s2

Not for me.. season 2 was my least fav season.... season three and four were great....season five started off wonderfully but has gotten steadily worse over the second half of the season...:(


That is your opinion dude. Yet the ratings have gone up.
I wouldnt call hovering at around 1.2 million going up...

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:04 AM
Ratings are hardly a good measurement of quality

No it's a good measurement of people still being interested in the show, meaning they like what they are seeing.


Well only a few good eps for me.... about 5. Out of 18 so far that's not really all that stellar..
Most of the season has been wasted potential IMO...... The team are non existant except for Search and Rescue.... they may have been together in the same eps for a few more but no team feeling at all... I can count on one hand when any of them actually interacted with one another....

They just came across as kinda bored in Identity.. been there.. done this.. way too may times.

Why on earth do the writers give so much screentime to a guest star when we have only 2 eps left... why not Ronon or Teyla as they have been totally ignored this season.... why another Keller and McKeller focused episode...

Well I admit Season 4 was the best, Season 5 lost it's zing. I honestly think the first half was better than the 2nd half, but I think the last 2 eps are going to be epic. 2nd half had eps like "The Prodigial", "Outsiders", "Remnants", and "The Lost Tribe". All really good eps, imho.

Platschu
December 13th, 2008, 08:05 AM
They mentioned Vala! :vala:

* happy dance *

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:06 AM
Not for me.. season 2 was my least fav season.... season three and four were great....season five started off wonderfully but has gotten steadily worse over the second half of the season...:(


I wouldnt call hovering at around 1.2 million going up...

huh? Atlantis has not even dipped below 1.9 Million this season. Last Season the lowest number was around 1.3 Million.

I agree the Season started off very strong and all the way into the mid-season.

CazzBlade
December 13th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Geez people a few poor eps and the entire season is shot? Give me a break.

The other seasons didn't have a few poor eps, they had one maybe two that I wasn't keen on. This season has had three that I have hated, two that I wasn't keen on, and three that I was expecting better of.

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:12 AM
The other seasons didn't have a few poor eps, they had one maybe two that I wasn't keen on. This season has had three that I have hated, two that I wasn't keen on, and three that I was expecting better of.

See Cazz, I disliked 3 eps this season, and 2 I thought could of been better as well, and still think it's a great season. Last Season I disliked only one. I just think there was more good eps than bad eps this season. Some epic eps as well.

This episode was not bad, it was good, but nothing special, did not expect much from this ep.

CazzBlade
December 13th, 2008, 08:15 AM
See Cazz, I disliked 3 eps this season, and 2 I thought could of been better as well, and still think it's a great season. Last Season I disliked only one. I just think there was more good eps than bad eps this season. Some epic eps as well.

This episode was not bad, it was good, but nothing special, did not expect much from this ep.

I agree this season has had a few epics (S&R, FC and The Prodigal), so it isn't a waste of a season. It's just dissapointing that other eps couldn't be as good as those.

I also didn't expect much from this ep, I got less :(

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:17 AM
I agree this season has had a few epics (S&R, FC and The Prodigal), so it isn't a waste of a season. It's just dissapointing that other eps couldn't be as good as those.

I also didn't expect much from this ep, I got less :(

Probably going to get redded for this but I don't care anymore, I am ready to put up the white flag...

The producers should of never let Torri Higginson and Paul McGillion go. Season 4 produced amazing eps because of them. Carson eps this season, only two of them were really great, the others were either average or below average. :(

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 08:19 AM
Probably going to get redded for this but I don't care anymore, I am ready to put up the white flag...The producers should of never let Torri Higginson and Paul McGillion go. Season 4 produced amazing eps because of them.Sounds like your counterdicting yourself:S

CazzBlade
December 13th, 2008, 08:20 AM
Probably going to get redded for this but I don't care anymore, I am ready to put up the white flag...

The producers should of never let Torri Higginson and Paul McGillion go. Season 4 produced amazing eps because of them.

I shall give you some pre-emptive green then :D Cos I agree. I always said getting rid of Weir was the worst thing TPTB did to the show (even though Lifeline is an amazing episode!), however, TPTB decided to exceed that with McKeller :mckay:

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:21 AM
Sounds like your counterdicting yourself:S

Dude, its Contradicting myself. Plus, I never said Season 5 was the best season ever, and I also did not say it was a bad season either, it was a great season so far, but not the best, and do I am trying to debate with people about that.

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:22 AM
I shall give you some pre-emptive green then :D Cos I agree. I always said getting rid of Weir was the worst thing TPTB did to the show (even though Lifeline is an amazing episode!), however, TPTB decided to exceed that with McKeller :mckay:

do you see my point? This is a good season, but Season 4 had better eps, imo. I realize now it was because of Weir and Carson still being around and using their characters to the max. Carson had a good role in "The Seed" and an excellent role in "Outsiders", but don't even get me started about "Whispers".

As per this episode, he was meh, he was in the background but still played a decent role. It could of been a lot worse, but it also could of been better. The last scene was good.

Also, they could of still kept Weir on after Lifeline. She was not dead at the end of Lifeline.

Laura Dove
December 13th, 2008, 08:23 AM
My expectations were low for "Identity" and I ended up rather enjoying it, however forgettable it was. The writers' urge to recycle yet another SG-1 plot in SGA really annoyed me at the time, but the rest of the episode was entertaining enough. I even liked the final McKeller moment in the infirmary.

I still think the episode would have been better without switching the actresses, though (I would have loved to see Jewel Staite play the ruthless Neeva, and the other actress play whinny Keller), and the resolution felt too convenient (oh, let's just shoot the utterly complicated Ancient device in hope it won't just stuck each consciousness in its current body!)

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 08:25 AM
Thats one thing I don't get. I see and agree with many of the shortcomings of this plot but how in the world is it a recycled SG1 plot

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:26 AM
Thats one thing I don't get. I see and agree with many of the shortcomings of this plot but how in the world is it a recycled SG1 plot

They used the Stargate? :confused:

g.o.d
December 13th, 2008, 08:27 AM
Thats one thing I don't get. I see and agree with many of the shortcomings of this plot but how in the world is it a recycled SG1 plot

Citizen Joe, Avalon 1,2, Origin and Crusade. Same device, but 901-903 + 919 were much more better than this crap

Nath
December 13th, 2008, 08:28 AM
They mentioned Vala! :vala:

* happy dance *

LOL. They mentioned Vala AND Daniel ! double happy dance ! I miss SG-1 :(

I was excited when I saw the communication device... and a little nostalgic.

It was an interesting episode. But well, no team interaction, no main character moment. And I would have cut before the picnic, when Radek is mumbling in his native language... very funny.

Season 5 has some great episodes but it is my least favorite season.

generally
December 13th, 2008, 08:29 AM
I agree with much of what i_adore_atlantis said upthread. I doubt I would have watched the sixth season if it hadn't been cancelled.

I said this in another thread but I want to say it here also:

Neeva was kick-ass. I haven't enjoyed a female character like her on SGA in awhile... and then they go and have her killed as soon as Keller gets her own body back? WTF
What makes it even worse was what Woosley told Rodney at the end. "Well, either he did kill her and dispose of the body.... if Neeva is alive and running, she won't be for long." WTMFH I just... what going on with this show? *is clearly annoyed*

Anyway, I was surprised how scared I was for Radek. I'm very glad that he was going to be okay. Zelenka needs more screentime. Well, the starring stars need more screentime. John? Teyla? Oh, who are they anyway.

Vegas better kick ass, that's all I'm saying.

Laura Dove
December 13th, 2008, 08:30 AM
Thats one thing I don't get. I see and agree with many of the shortcomings of this plot but how in the world is it a recycled SG1 plot

I don't have the exact quote in mind, but McKay's "oh, I remember SG-1 using a similar device" made me cringe. Aren't there enough stories that could (should) be told about Pegasus-specific events, characters and concerns?

Pandora's_Box
December 13th, 2008, 08:32 AM
The infamous Keller-and-random-sexy-thief-switch-bodies-and-Rodney-gets-seduced episode. Oh, how I awaited this one with bated breath!

You may think I'm kidding about that or, at the very least, off my rocker, but I kid you not. Think of all that it had going for it; 3rd to last episode of the series, semi-interesting, even if not new, science-finctiony premise, involvement from all SGA team members, and the return of clone!Carson. It also didn't hurt that I actually happen to actually enjoy the character of Dr. Jennifer Keller.

So why was I left feeling...uninspired? Kind of blasé about the whole thing.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad. It just wasn't very good either and that's the problem.

My prime reason for even expecting an alien-body-switching story to be beyond the average or norm for body-switching in science fiction is for the very reason I was expecting any story this last in the season to be excellent; it's the third to last episode. And while the show may not be gunning for renewal or looking to impress enough fans to ensure sound viewership in the next season, I would have hoped TPTB were keen on finishing with a bang not a whimper.

All the parts were there; cool Ancient tech (even if borrowed from SG-1), a capable guest star, some great opportunities for tension and suspense, and the entire main cast with Dr. Beckett and the beloved Zelenka. Unfortunately, it's the manner in which these parts were assembled that ultimately left the episode feeling like it had missed the mark, like something, despite a valiant effort by Binder, was just off.

I generally have no problems with linking up the flagship show with it's spin off, but this late in the game I'd hoped for something more ingenious from the writers than reusing an Ancient device from SG-1. I'd have liked something we hadn't seen before, something unique to Atlantis or the Pegasus galaxy. It wasn't a make or break element for me, but it detracted from the story in my opinion.

Another detraction? One that really was a make or break element? The guest star. She wasn't bad, that's not my issue, but maybe someone needs to slip a memo under the door at MGM for TPTB to read for future reference in SGU, heavily hinting that when one nears the end of a series, it may not be the wisest of decision to focus a story so heavily on a character no one has ever seen before and will never see again. But maybe that's just me. To her credit, Dawn Olivieri didn't ruin the episode. And that may be damning with faint praise, but I'm not feeling generous.

Tension and suspense? What tension? Despite certain rumours about a death, was anyone falling for the will-Keller-be-headless? ruse? Or was tricked into thinking Zelenka would die without a grand gesture of heroic hero-ness to befit his star status amongst the viewership? The only suspenseful scene I can recall was........no, no I really can't recall sitting at the edge of my seat. I'd wager we were supposed to be worried about Keller getting her head chopped off, but that whole thing was timed too early on in the episode to really get my heart palpitating from worry.

Was I supposed to chuckle at all the little digs at McKay and Keller's relationship? Was I supposed to be worried for Zelenka's health? Was that last scene supposed to amuse me with McKay's blatant disregard for Zelenka's health? I suppose all those answers would be affirmative, but I'd quite hoped TPTB had moved beyond juvenile views on relationships and had developed Rodney beyond the first season.

All in all, it was entertaining fluff.

A team episode with a guest star who had more lines that half the team (not that it's hard to beat Ronon in number of lines but I digress), a suspenseful storyline that was anything but suspenseful, and seduction. If that last part gets your attention, be wary. There was talk of "making love under the stars". :: shudder ::

But not bad. Still damning with faint praise?

Pegasus_SGA
December 13th, 2008, 08:40 AM
The infamous Keller-and-random-sexy-thief-switch-bodies-and-Rodney-gets-seduced episode. Oh, how I awaited this one with bated breath!

You may think I'm kidding about that or, at the very least, off my rocker, but I kid you not. Think of all that it had going for it; 3rd to last episode of the series, semi-interesting, even if not new, science-finctiony premise, involvement from all SGA team members, and the return of clone!Carson. It also didn't hurt that I actually happen to actually enjoy the character of Dr. Jennifer Keller.

So why was I left feeling...uninspired? Kind of blasé about the whole thing.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad. It just wasn't very good either and that's the problem.

My prime reason for even expecting an alien-body-switching story to be beyond the average or norm for body-switching in science fiction is for the very reason I was expecting any story this last in the season to be excellent; it's the third to last episode. And while the show may not be gunning for renewal or looking to impress enough fans to ensure sound viewership in the next season, I would have hoped TPTB were keen on finishing with a bang not a whimper.

All the parts were there; cool Ancient tech (even if borrowed from SG-1), a capable guest star, some great opportunities for tension and suspense, and the entire main cast with Dr. Beckett and the beloved Zelenka. Unfortunately, it's the manner in which these parts were assembled that ultimately left the episode feeling like it had missed the mark, like something, despite a valiant effort by Binder, was just off.

I generally have no problems with linking up the flagship show with it's spin off, but this late in the game I'd hoped for something more ingenious from the writers than reusing an Ancient device from SG-1. I'd have liked something we hadn't seen before, something unique to Atlantis or the Pegasus galaxy. It wasn't a make or break element for me, but it detracted from the story in my opinion.

Another detraction? One that really was a make or break element? The guest star. She wasn't bad, that's not my issue, but maybe someone needs to slip a memo under the door at MGM for TPTB to read for future reference in SGU, heavily hinting that when one nears the end of a series, it may not be the wisest of decision to focus a story so heavily on a character no one has ever seen before and will never see again. But maybe that's just me. To her credit, Dawn Olivieri didn't ruin the episode. And that may be damning with faint praise, but I'm not feeling generous.

Tension and suspense? What tension? Despite certain rumours about a death, was anyone falling for the will-Keller-be-headless? ruse? Or was tricked into thinking Zelenka would die without a grand gesture of heroic hero-ness to befit his star status amongst the viewership? The only suspenseful scene I can recall was........no, no I really can't recall sitting at the edge of my seat. I'd wager we were supposed to be worried about Keller getting her head chopped off, but that whole thing was timed too early on in the episode to really get my heart palpitating from worry.

Was I supposed to chuckle at all the little digs at McKay and Keller's relationship? Was I supposed to be worried for Zelenka's health? Was that last scene supposed to amuse me with McKay's blatant disregard for Zelenka's health? I suppose all those answers would be affirmative, but I'd quite hoped TPTB had moved beyond juvenile views on relationships and had developed Rodney beyond the first season.

All in all, it was entertaining fluff.

A team episode with a guest star who had more lines that half the team (not that it's hard to beat Ronon in number of lines but I digress), a suspenseful storyline that was anything but suspenseful, and seduction. If that last part gets your attention, be wary. There was talk of "making love under the stars". :: shudder ::

But not bad. Still damning with faint praise?
You're shuddering about your fave pairing making love under the stars?!! :eek: :eek: Pan, hon are you ill? ;)

By the way... i'll never digress how long it took me to actually write that sentence without retching. ;) :P :D

Stormtrooper
December 13th, 2008, 08:43 AM
Citizen Joe, Avalon 1,2, Origin and Crusade. Same device, but 901-903 + 919 were much more better than this crap

Don't forget that episode where Daniel and Machello switch bodies. Holiday, I guess.

Pandora's_Box
December 13th, 2008, 08:46 AM
You're shuddering about your fave pairing making love under the stars?!! :eek: :eek: Pan, hon are you ill? ;)

By the way... i'll never digress how long it took me to actually write that sentence without retching. ;) :P :D

I'm sorry.

"Let's make love under the stars.""

"Maybe I should get a blanket because there are allergens."

On what planet is the former a good seduction technique and the latter funny?

You have my sympathies. :p

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:47 AM
A team episode with a guest star who had more lines that half the team (not that it's hard to beat Ronon in number of lines but I digress), a suspenseful storyline that was anything but suspenseful, and seduction. If that last part gets your attention, be wary. There was talk of "making love under the stars". :: shudder ::

But not bad. Still damning with faint praise?

I think the emotions are getting the best of me, because I look at last season's 18th episode and it was "The Kindred", the one before that was "Midway". I want the season to end with a high, and Season 4 has 4 eps back to back that were excellent, imo.

I am praying the last 2 are epic.

Pandora's_Box
December 13th, 2008, 08:49 AM
I think the emotions are getting the best of me, because I look at last season's 18th episode and it was "The Kindred", the one before that was "Midway". I want the season to end with a high, and Season 4 has 4 eps back to back that were excellent, imo.

I am praying the last 2 are epic.

You and me both, buddy. You and me both.

Maybe I was just expecting too much from this one.

bluealien
December 13th, 2008, 08:52 AM
I think the emotions are getting the best of me, because I look at last season's 18th episode and it was "The Kindred", the one before that was "Midway". I want the season to end with a high, and Season 4 has 4 eps back to back that were excellent, imo.

I am praying the last 2 are epic.


Oh me too.. I'm just so excited that JF is finally getting an episode.... and he'll be hot and sweaty in the desert.. that may be epic enough for me..:)

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 08:56 AM
You and me both, buddy. You and me both.

Maybe I was just expecting too much from this one.

If I said Season 5 was the best season ever, I'd be lying to myself. I just have mixed feelings right now. Then when we have an ep like"The Prodigal" it's like this is the best season ever! The emotions of the season truly go with each passing ep. When the mediocre ones are being stacked together it truly brings the season down for some folks.

btedford
December 13th, 2008, 08:59 AM
.....I'd hoped for something more ingenious from the writers than reusing an Ancient device from SG-1. I'd have liked something we hadn't seen before, something unique to Atlantis or the Pegasus galaxy. It wasn't a make or break element for me, but it detracted from the story in my opinion.



But the ancients typically make a few copies of certain devices and with the ancients having been in Pegasus for a very long time, like in Milky Way, you are bound to run into ancient devices that have been seen before maybe not on Atlantis but on SG-1.

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 09:03 AM
Citizen Joe, Avalon 1,2, Origin and Crusade. Same device, but 901-903 + 919 were much more better than this crapSo every time a piece of technology is used again its a rehash. Yeah that makes sense:rolleyes:

kenny4657
December 13th, 2008, 09:04 AM
I agree with much of what i_adore_atlantis said upthread. I doubt I would have watched the sixth season if it hadn't been cancelled.

I said this in another thread but I want to say it here also:

Neeva was kick-ass. I haven't enjoyed a female character like her on SGA in awhile... and then they go and have her killed as soon as Keller gets her own body back? WTF
What makes it even worse was what Woosley told Rodney at the end. "Well, either he did kill her and dispose of the body.... if Neeva is alive and running, she won't be for long." WTMFH I just... what going on with this show? *is clearly annoyed*

Anyway, I was surprised how scared I was for Radek. I'm very glad that he was going to be okay. Zelenka needs more screentime. Well, the starring stars need more screentime. John? Teyla? Oh, who are they anyway.

Vegas better kick ass, that's all I'm saying.

well, you didn't exactly see her die, a possible denial... probably the script was set so in hope that she might return in season 6 later which now we are sure will not happen.

Pegasus_SGA
December 13th, 2008, 09:10 AM
I'm sorry.

"Let's make love under the stars.""

"Maybe I should get a blanket because there are allergens."

On what planet is the former a good seduction technique and the latter funny?

You have my sympathies. :p

:lol: On Rodney's planet. :P I suppose at least if he got hives, Keller would be there to make him all better and rub him down with some calomine.... *scrubs image from brain* ;)

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 09:10 AM
Oh me too.. I'm just so excited that JF is finally getting an episode.... and he'll be hot and sweaty in the desert.. that may be epic enough for me..:)

LOL, well the hot and sweaty is not something I am looking forward to, but I always love these alternate reality eps, and the CSI type format. Vegas should aim to please. :)

g.o.d
December 13th, 2008, 09:11 AM
So every time a piece of technology is used again its a rehash. Yeah that makes sense:rolleyes:

I didn't say this episode was a rehash

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 09:13 AM
I didn't say this episode was a rehash

No you did not say it, but you were thinking it, ok maybe not, I dunno. I need a drink, maybe I should get drunk before I start posting on here. It would be very interesting.

Cronus
December 13th, 2008, 09:13 AM
I thought this was going to be a complaint against another "oh, sg1 had a problem like this" episode when I read the title. :P

My main problem with these kinds of episodes this season is that there is no balance to them anymore - no real team initiative, no adventure - its all or nothing. The Mckeller ship is just symptomatic of how the season is no longer about the whole team. We need a good old episode where Shepherd gets to do some leading, Ronan and Teyla do some useful tracking and fighting, Mckay panicky but saves the day last minute.....but alas, we get another keller episode with the others just being dragged along for kicks... :(

Cronus
December 13th, 2008, 09:18 AM
I guess time constraints....and anti-climax of constant questioning her....

Yeah, it would have probably been quite funny to pretend to be the other woman right at the end, but they went for the chocolates and flowers moment...ah, such a lovely soap this has become :(:(

Starry Waters
December 13th, 2008, 09:18 AM
I thought this was going to be a complaint against another "oh, sg1 had a problem like this" episode when I read the title. :P

My main problem with these kinds of episodes this season is that there is no balance to them anymore - no real team initiative, no adventure - its all or nothing. The Mckeller ship is just symptomatic of how the season is no longer about the whole team. We need a good old episode where Shepherd gets to do some leading, Ronan and Teyla do some useful tracking and fighting, Mckay panicky but saves the day last minute.....but alas, we get another keller episode with the others just being dragged along for kicks... :(

I agree. I like the team eps. I don't mind the individual exploratory eps when you get character development, but you didn't even get that in this ep. The team and Carson just seemed like so much filler in it. The needed to stop this with Keller a long time ago.

silvercomet
December 13th, 2008, 09:39 AM
They must have, because this sure isn't the show that I've watched and grown to love for almost 4 1/2 years. :confused:
What happened to the adventures of our Team and the great city of Atlantis?
Watching this episode in conjuction with so much of the focus in many of the others this season on McKeller and the Perils of Jennifer, I am wondering, who switched out Atlantis with this imposter? :mad:


I feel exactly the same. :( The start was so outstanding and there are great episodes. But the general direction has changed so much from the SGA I love that I care less about the show with every new episode. I didn't think that this would ever happen.

silvercomet
December 13th, 2008, 09:44 AM
The past few episodes i have noticed that McKay is going off world with little to no weapons (he has a hand gun in this episode but no P90) and he also wasnt wearing his vest (even Carson was wearing a vest). Is there any particular reason why McKay hasnt been using a P90 (or wearing the correct uniform) of late or has someone at the props department just stuffed up.


I've wondered about that, too. How can anybody go offworld on a mission without a tac vest and a weapon? :confused:

Replicator Fifth
December 13th, 2008, 09:46 AM
The past few episodes i have noticed that McKay is going off world with little to no weapons (he has a hand gun in this episode but no P90) and he also wasnt wearing his vest (even Carson was wearing a vest). Is there any particular reason why McKay hasnt been using a P90 (or wearing the correct uniform) of late or has someone at the props department just stuffed up.

you obviously didn't see the sign "I'm suicidal! Shoot me!"

either that or he has become a pacifist.

Replicator Fifth
December 13th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Maybe Shep finally realised it was safer for everyone if McKay wasn't armed.......

:lol: I never thought of that!

Replicator Fifth
December 13th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Any apparently also it is best if he isnt wearing a bullet proof vest aswell.

Anyway McKay had become quite good at using a P90 late in season 4 and early in season 5.

Think that was just David getting used to it and forgetting McKay can't aim

Nath
December 13th, 2008, 10:04 AM
No you did not say it, but you were thinking it, ok maybe not, I dunno. I need a drink, maybe I should get drunk before I start posting on here. It would be very interesting.

LoL it should be interesting, indeed. But I don't know if you would be welcomed on this thread after that. It depends... are you a happy drunk ? ;)

Anyway, I am a big fan of SG1 and I was happy to have familiar technology here. I'm sorry for the 'no SG1/SGA crossover' fans, but I do liked it.

Now, I hope we'll have fun watching 'Vegas'. And I really hope the last two episodes will be awesome (crossing fingers).

JackHarkness_Hot
December 13th, 2008, 10:10 AM
But if they did the whole, "I'm not Jennifer" ending then it would be a cliché like a time-travel episode and it ends with someone going, "I suppose I can make the time". Like O'Neill, not a big fan of clichés.

marielabbott
December 13th, 2008, 10:17 AM
I thought the best part of this episode was the unexpected Radek whump in the beginning...and everything pretty much fell apart from there. I do want to say I thought the actress who played Neela did a good job, though.

Random female theif who has the most screentime of anyone this episode (Neela, for short): I'm confused, so I'm going to stab this nice man who's trying to help me. Then I'm going to act in a suspicious manner, but it won't raise any questions from our crack team here at Atlantis.

Rodney: Why'd you miss our lunch date, Jenny dear?

Neela: Um, sorry, I need to go lie down ill after picturing you and Keller together.

Ronon: I always thought Keller was a threat to my team. Now I at least get to shoot her body for diminishing our screentime together.

Neela: Sorry, so sorry about everything. Please help me get back into my own body?

Rodney: We have to save my beloved! I will make an SG-1 reference indicating that the plot has apparently been revamped from an episode there, then we must go save Keller!

Meanwhile, on the alien planet....

Keller: I'm not Neela, I'm the chief of medicine on Atlantis!

Magistrate: No way am I believing that tripe. You're not old enough, for one. Prepare to die.

Sheppard's team and Neela arrive on the planet....

Teyla: I have a few lines in this episode. And I get to run while carrying a big gun. That is about all this episode. I've become accustomed to it this season. But don't fret, lots of exciting, interesting, character-developing things are happening to me off screen. You'll just never get to see them, because we have to save Keller again.

Neela: Sheppard, I can't believe Keller and McKay are together. Weird.

Sheppard: I know, it's hard to believe.

Audience: Nods in agreement and says, "Sheppard, you are a wise sage."

Keller: Big ax--I'm screaming again!

Lots of gunfire, other stuff happens. Sound and fury signifiying not much. Neela apparently dies.

Carson: Keller, we saved you, that's what I'm here for in this episode. Not interacting much with anyone else, but that's ok. We all love you.

Rodney: Honey, I brought you flowers and chocolates, because I lurve you. Let's go for a picnic under the stars once you're well. But first let me act incredibly callous to my friend Radek, who almost died. You bring out the best in me, Jenny.

The end of an unimpressive episode. :S

Pegasus_SGA
December 13th, 2008, 10:28 AM
Neela: Sheppard, I can't believe Keller and McKay are together. Weird.

Sheppard: I know, it's hard to believe.

Audience: Nods in agreement and says, "Sheppard, you are a wise sage."

*giggles* So right. :P




Carson: Keller, we saved you, that's what I'm here for in this episode. Not interacting much with anyone else, but that's ok. We all love you.

Rodney: Honey, I brought you flowers and chocolates, because I lurve you. Let's go for a picnic under the stars once you're well. But first let me act incredibly callous to my friend Radek, who almost died. You bring out the best in me, Jenny.

The end of an unimpressive episode. :S

I think for me this was the hardest bit to swallow. Radek is his friend and yes they're sarcastic with each other, but not when one of them is hurting or injured. I kept thinking to myself is this the same person from ToR that saved his friend when he accidently hurt him, or has told him how much he values his friendship when he's been seriously hurt? Yes it was supposed to be humorous I get that, but seriously his friend nearly died at the hands of his girlfriend' and he mocks him, mocks his condition? I just don't get it. :confused:

JackHarkness_Hot
December 13th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Rodney has the love bug simply put, Pegasus_SGA. When a guy loves a woman, all sense of loyalty and respect towards your fellow close colleague you may have, goes out the window.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 10:31 AM
It's what living in America Atlantis does to you.

marielabbott
December 13th, 2008, 10:34 AM
I think for me this was the hardest bit to swallow. Radek is his friend and yes they're sarcastic with each other, but not when one of them is hurting or injured. I kept thinking to myself is this the same person from ToR that saved his friend when he accidently hurt him, or has told him how much he values his friendship when he's been seriously hurt? Yes it was supposed to be humorous I get that, but seriously his friend nearly died at the hands of his girlfriend' and he mocks him, mocks his condition? I just don't get it. :confused:

Yeah, it really bothered me too. There are times when the writers have gone for humor, but it comes out as cruel or odd, and this was one of those times. :S

Pegasus_SGA
December 13th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Rodney has the love bug simply put, Pegasus_SGA. When a guy loves a woman, all sense of loyalty and respect towards your fellow close colleague you may have, goes out the window.
:lol: Glad i'm still single then. :P

Seriously though, it really pissed me off, poor Radek, he didn't get his comfort!! :eek: See as a whumper I think everyone should get some luff after they've been hurt. *sniff poor poor Radek* :(

ETA: I agree Mariel, I think it worked with Keller and Shep in S&R but this, it was just cruel and it felt like Rodney couldn't give a toss about his friend. :( So it definately fell flat for me.

Replicator Fifth
December 13th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Even if Neeva is better than Ronon, she's not in her own body. She's in Keller's body and seems very unlikely that Keller can outrun Ronon.

Keller said she had weak ankles in one of the first episodes she was in

Avenger
December 13th, 2008, 10:38 AM
They were needle nose pliers.

JackHarkness_Hot
December 13th, 2008, 10:40 AM
I'm sure Radek will get his own back, like triggering an electric shock for Rodney. You know, the next time Rodney gets shocked, then you know it was Radek's doing.

silvercomet
December 13th, 2008, 10:41 AM
Well, at least we saw the team. It was a nice episode. I don't mean that as a compliment. Just that it wasn't a bad one.

I can't understand why we needed again a story which focused on the Keller character. There are four other people who are more 'The Atlantis' for me.

Besides, the McKeller stuff - especially in the end - wasn't necessary IMO. Apparently Neeva and Sheppard can't see the chemistry between these two either. :P

I didn't like McKay's behaviour towards Zelenka. I know McKay isn't the most social person and can't express his emotions very well. But he isn't that cold either.

I liked that the body swap was an accident and not deliberate so we saw an uncertain Neeva.

I had the feeling Ronon was more suspicious towards Keller than McKay. Interesting...

I'm usually not a person who says 'we saw that already'. Of course in scifi most of the ideas have already been told. Nevertheless the story can be different and enjoyable. However this is the first time I have a problem with that. The whole body swap thing with the ancient device was too much like SG-1 for me. Maybe it's because I think they could tell so many unique stories with the Atlantis city/gene/another galaxy background.

I'm really looking forward to Vegas. Finally a Sheppard episode. It's about time. Even if it's just an AU.


What happened to my favorite show? :(

I loved the show to bits for the first 4 years and up to early season 5, but then it went downhill (IMO) so quickly and I can't understand why. These are mainly the same writers who gave us the wonderful seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4. How could they come up with... this?

*snip for length*



Oh where to start...... :(

Dissapointed would be a word to describe this. I agree very much with i_adore_atlantis I don't know what's happened this season, but i'm not enjoying it. I'm having enormous difficulty with enjoying particularly the latter half of the season, whether it's the style or non uniformity, or the stories, or placement of characters i'm not sure. The premise of this ep was very much like the storyline in SG1 as mentioned by Rodney. Now I have no problems with writers taken a snippet of something that happened previously and buidling on it, but for me there really wasn't that much difference between this and the SG1 version. And that one wasn't great either. :lol:

*snip for length*

My feelings/thoughts exactly. :(


Geez people a few poor eps and the entire season is shot? Give me a break.

Well, for me sadly there aren't just a few poor episodes. This season has outstanding episodes, but the bad ones are in the majority. TPTB focus on a character and a story arc (romance) I don't care for. And that happens at the expense of the things/characters I love SGA for. :(

Lythisrose
December 13th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I agree completely, this doesn't really seem like the same show.

Avenger
December 13th, 2008, 10:45 AM
And the ancients certainly have their share of technology that doesn't work properly.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 10:46 AM
Now, don't get me wrong. (And I'm sure none of you will.) I love that Carson has appearences in Season Five of Atlantis. Especially given, his episodes are generally the only ones I watch or have the motivation to watch. Just seeing him back on screen with the team makes me and my toes incredibly happy.

So what's my problem? The use of this screentime.

Ordinarily, if Carson was back as a regular, I wouldn't have minded him having minor roles like in "Identity" spread out over the season. But things are different when you have an important character in only five episodes. Now, those five episodes can be spent on some pretty important issues surrounding the character and his relationships. I don't expect too much from season five, so I was at least expecting just one meatier character story.

Instead, his episodes are 'normal' episodes. I love "Outsiders" for the reason that it brought back the old S1-S3 feel despite being a shallow-ish episode. The three other episodes we've seen -- "Seed", "Whispers", and "Identity" -- were hardly substansial for me. The first and latest were "save Keller the plot device" episodes, and "Whispers" ... I'm not even going there. He's appearing in the finale, but then again, this is only appearing -- and being the finale, I doubt it will be his story.

Point is, he's not a regular anymore, but when he comes in on an episode, just for even one episode, for the love of god, please give him a character/relationship-centric that isn't just running through the woods or being called in when Keller is immobile.

You only have five episodes, writers. For one of them, give me something more.

Replicator Fifth
December 13th, 2008, 10:50 AM
:beckett:I miss Carson :(

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Meh.

Crazedwraith
December 13th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Got to admit, Carson could have been any one of Keller's backup doctors and it wouldn't have made any difference to the story but its nice to see Carson nethertheless.

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Now, don't get me wrong. (And I'm sure none of you will.) I love that Carson has appearences in Season Five of Atlantis. Especially given, his episodes are generally the only ones I watch or have the motivation to watch. Just seeing him back on screen with the team makes me and my toes incredibly happy.

So what's my problem? The use of this screentime.

Ordinarily, if Carson was back as a regular, I wouldn't have minded him having minor roles like in "Identity" spread out over the season. But things are different when you have an important character in only five episodes. Now, those five episodes can be spent on some pretty important issues surrounding the character and his relationships. I don't expect too much from season five, so I was at least expecting just one meatier character story.

Instead, his episodes are 'normal' episodes. I love "Outsiders" for the reason that it brought back the old S1-S3 feel despite being a shallow-ish episode. The three other episodes we've seen -- "Seed", "Whispers", and "Identity" -- were hardly substansial for me. The first and latest were "save Keller the plot device" episodes, and "Whispers" ... I'm not even going there. He's appearing in the finale, but then again, this is only appearing -- and being the finale, I doubt it will be his story.

Point is, he's not a regular anymore, but when he comes in on an episode, just for even one episode, for the love of god, please give him a character/relationship-centric that isn't just running through the woods or being called in when Keller is immobile.

You only have five episodes, writers. For one of them, give me something more.


I agree with you, but I think Carson was good in "The Seed". Whispers was a waste, and this ep, well the last scene was good, but the rest was not using Carson to his potential.

BTW, remember Kindred Part 2, that was an excellent Carson ep, imo. BTW, look who wrote the great Carson eps the past two seasons. I thought these two eps were the best for a recurring/guest starring Carson and truly brought out classic SGA with some good character interaction. So kudos to that writer.

rsanchez
December 13th, 2008, 11:09 AM
It doesn't even need to be sharp as long as you stab with sufficient force to break skin, and cause organ laceration.

Crazedwraith
December 13th, 2008, 11:09 AM
It's an alright episode but there's nothing remarkable about it all. I can't really think of anything to say about it except for once I might have to agree with the anti-keller's dear god was the whining in that flashback scene annoying.

rsanchez
December 13th, 2008, 11:14 AM
1. Neva is actually hot, and she doesn't have that shrilly, annoying voice that Keller had (I hated it when Keller screamed that she is not Neva, most annoying scream ever). The woman who played Neva should be the new doctor, or they should have just kept Beckett as the doctor and made her part of the team. She would make a much better pair with Ronon than Keller does with McKay.

2. We got Beckett. While it didn't have as much substance as previous Beckett appearances, we got him doing his doctor stuff, which is way better than having Keller. If we have Beckett, the former chief of medicine at Atlantis and the best doctor in two galaxies, why do we continue to have Keller?

Thoughts?

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 11:23 AM
:beckett:I miss Carson :(

*huggles!!*


its nice to see Carson nethertheless.

Yes, he is good to look at. :)


BTW, remember Kindred Part 2, that was an excellent Carson ep, imo. BTW, look who wrote the great Carson eps the past two seasons. I thought these two eps were the best for a recurring/guest starring Carson and truly brought out classic SGA with some good character interaction. So kudos to that writer.

Yay McCullough. :D

MechaThor
December 13th, 2008, 11:25 AM
If its Sharp and pointed, it can stab.... Therefore these pliers would defiantly Stab you with enough force, and the one used in this epsiode was not only sharp looking, but also big and they hit poor Zelenka just under the ribs, so there was no Bone to get in the way.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 11:30 AM
They had three chances to kill Missy in this episode, and unsurprisingly, they blew all of them. First, she's about the get her head lopped off with an axe, but the deed is halted when the executioner is shot. Next, she is shot, but Carson saves her. Because he's a better person than I am. Finally, she's about to get killed by Neeva's former fellow thief, but the Ancient device is destroyed and she's zipped back up into her own body just in time.

What a tease you are, Binder.

Skydiver
December 13th, 2008, 11:32 AM
Let's remember, please, the topic of the thread is Identity, not your overall opinion of s5. We already have threads for that.

Let's keep stuff centered around the episode

MechaThor
December 13th, 2008, 11:33 AM
1. Although she was hot, she looked and had a personalty too much like the main woman from the Travelers, they could atleast have changed the hair.

2. I like Keller, and have no problem with her scream/voice/anything and am getting tired about people moaning about her, poor Jewel, I hope she never comes on the forums. However I also like Beckett and althought it was nice to see him once more, in this episode he hardly did a thing and could have just been played by some random filler doctor.

3. It was a rubbish epsiode anyways, keller or no keller. Hopefully Universe will give this device some decent creditability as a functional tool as so far it just seems like it causes more trouble than its worth.

Lt.Con
December 13th, 2008, 11:40 AM
After watching that i'm glad they didnt go into the Sam and jack relationship, because what Keller and Mckay are doing is making me squirm.. It so does nothing for the show and to be honest.. i'm losing interest.. and i never thought i would say that after 4 and a half years..

prion
December 13th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Is it just me, or did Zelenka become the first person in the world to get a stabbing wound from a pair of pliers?

Couldn't they have Neeva use a screwdriver, a pair of scissors- something sharp, y'know?


Yes, you can stab someone with needle-nosed pliers (which is what she did). Hmm, seem to be popular in some cases in Texas and Missouri (to stab someone with those).

kenny4657
December 13th, 2008, 11:43 AM
I was hoping that Keller stuck in her body so she will replace Jewel Staite, then I will be happy and so does McKay

MechaThor
December 13th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Personally I feel that this is the second worst epsiode this series (after the one with the mist creating mutants), and one of the worst Atlantis episodes to date. Knowing the cancellation was due they could have rewritten this epsiode into something more significant and meaning than just some random filler, with nothing but hospital bed scenes and walking around yet another moss covered pine forest.

The Reason I did not like this episode was not because it was Keller based as I have no issue with it, but instead for the following reasons.

1. What is this like the 3rd body switching epsiode in Atlantis? and this one never even had anything new, just loads of SG-1 quotes. I can't wait for Universe, hopefully standing truly alone.

2. What was the point in Beckett? I really like his character, but there was no need for him to be here since he did next to nothing and he just felt like he was there as they need a doctor. They could of had the same effect with some random one time only doctor, who we will never see again.

3. The woman who took over Keller's body looked and acted too much like the leader of the Travelers, they could atleast of changed the hair or something.

4. That Ancient communication device seems to be more and more useless the more times we see it. Its always getting us into trouble and seems like a really strange and pointless tool which a race as advanced as the Ancients would use for long range communication. Even if they used long before they had stargates, it still seems that even in a post Stargate universe they where commonly used, WHY? As far as we know you can't even shut it off without destroying the thing. Hopefully Universe will expand on its use and its reason or being.

5. Plot was too genertic, slow and pointless in the grand scheme of things.

6. I really hated how Mckay acted towards Zelenka near at the end, they are meant to be close Friends. Even if it was played as a joke by the writers, it was not a very funny one and just made me dislike Mckay, a character who a normally Love.

overall 4/10

Sorry if I sounded too negative, but with the end of Atlantis looming I was hoping for something more.... memorable.

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Oh you can definatly cause damage with needle nose pillers. A key is where she stabbed him. Some areas of the body are more vulnerable the others

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 11:49 AM
On the upside, they fixed Carson's hair. *shrug*

Infinite-Possibilities
December 13th, 2008, 11:56 AM
I'm afraid this episode really bored me. Another Keller/Rodney centric episode. Back down to almost Brainstorm level after the spectacular Infection.

MechaThor
December 13th, 2008, 11:58 AM
The second I saw Zelenka get stabbed my heart sunk. I was worried for a moment then that it would be the last time we would see the gd Dr.

Infinite-Possibilities
December 13th, 2008, 12:13 PM
It not a hugely major spoiler. In my opinion anyway. Its happens before the opening credits and was in the trailer.

Pandora's_Box
December 13th, 2008, 12:17 PM
:lol: On Rodney's planet. :P I suppose at least if he got hives, Keller would be there to make him all better and rub him down with some calomine.... *scrubs image from brain* ;)

Heh... :D



I think for me this was the hardest bit to swallow. Radek is his friend and yes they're sarcastic with each other, but not when one of them is hurting or injured. I kept thinking to myself is this the same person from ToR that saved his friend when he accidently hurt him, or has told him how much he values his friendship when he's been seriously hurt? Yes it was supposed to be humorous I get that, but seriously his friend nearly died at the hands of his girlfriend' and he mocks him, mocks his condition? I just don't get it. :confused:

Yeah, they've done that quite a bit recently. Rodney did something similar with Daniel at the end The Lost Tribe. I thought we'd done away with that Rodney, but TPTB seem intent on reviving him every time they feel the need to inject some crass "humour".

Infinite-Possibilities
December 13th, 2008, 12:24 PM
I think the fact that her original body was not unconscious was a continuity error. But if they hadn't made it, then we couldn't have seen Keller doing things. And THAT would been totally ridiculous. How can you have an episode without Keller?! And her doing stuff!?

Ok. I'm kidding, but still they didn't even bother to explain it. And that got on my nerves.

JackHarkness_Hot
December 13th, 2008, 12:25 PM
On the upside, they fixed Carson's hair. *shrug*
I can't help but notice TPTB is pulling a "Chakotay" (ST:VOY) , where a TV character looked a certain age at the start of the series but progressively looks younger as the series continues.

major davis
December 13th, 2008, 12:39 PM
Keller is fat, Ronan is a proud warrior who would never get out of shape. HE would never let that whiny brat's body outrun him

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 12:44 PM
Keller is fat.:confused:

What show have you been watching?

Pandora's_Box
December 13th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Was I the only one ticked off with Carl Binder's love affair with Ronon?

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 12:55 PM
First I have notice a love affair between Ronon and Binder:P

garhkal
December 13th, 2008, 12:56 PM
The second I saw Zelenka get stabbed my heart sunk. I was worried for a moment then that it would be the last time we would see the gd Dr.

I started to feel the same way as well, that one of my fave back up characters was going to bite the bullet..

garhkal
December 13th, 2008, 12:58 PM
The only continuity error i saw with the devie is when Neela / keller got shot, while the other was running (later in the show) but the other did not show any symptons of being shot..

garhkal
December 13th, 2008, 01:17 PM
I'm surprised that she was so forthcoming with the truth about who she really is.

Being she was captured and tied up, i did not have any issues with her coming clean..



Nice to see the communications terminal again, I never thought we'd see it again, and even a mention of SG-1 and their use of the machines. Why would there be one in Pegasus though?

Perhaps they took one there so they could talk back to the few lanteans who stayed back in the MW..


Did anyone else notice that the village magistrate was that British scientist from SG-1 in "Endgame" except with a beard in this one?

I recognized him, but not from where..


So Neeva's henchmen saved her/Keller. I was thinking it was Sheppard.

Me too, but it made a nice twist.


So they had to destroy another communications terminal. I can't say I didn't see that one coming.

I am not sure if they destroyed it, or just disabled it.


Beckett thinking the flowers and chocolate was for him was priceless!

It did kind of look that way. Or maybe he though they were going to Zalenka..


Liked how Ronon figured out Keller wasn't Keller before Rodney did. Hmm....

It did look like he twigged on her being not herself...


I thought they were trying to keep Atlantis sorta under wraps, yet they seem to blab "I'm from Atlantis" to everyone and anyone??

Its location, yes. That it exists, no. Remember from the trial, they said they need to get more allies etc.. well kind of hard to do that if you are keeping quite who you are..


Why was Rodney so excited about Janus's personal cloaking device? The Goa'uld, Asgard, and Sodan all have personal cloaking devices and they have access to both the Asgard and Sodan ones.

Maybe those were the precursors to the sodan ones.. Also remember in SG1 when oneil took off ad went "Rogue" with that NID group they had some cloaking stones there...


I mean seriously, this is his friend, and he demeans what's happened to him? I just shook my head in disgust.

Very true. What with his transformation into actually caring about him and what he feels bak when they were first dealiing with carsons death/resurection and wiers loss.. and when he was going all asscention...


Don't forget that episode where Daniel and Machello switch bodies. Holiday, I guess.

Different device.


WHY? As far as we know you can't even shut it off without destroying the thing.

Precicely. As far as WE know... The ancients knew how to properly useit.. we are just bumbling idiots.

Ava H.
December 13th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Czechs are tough, I knew he would make it ... lol
But I must admit this was the first time in many epsiodes , I got surprised. I didnt expect that.

Infinite-Possibilities
December 13th, 2008, 01:25 PM
I have to admit that I was quite worried. I was glad they got it out of the way in the episode early.

michellec24_7
December 13th, 2008, 01:26 PM
You want to be an example of stabbing with pliers?


It is pointy, it can stab.

I can stab you with a can or tuna is I tried ahrd enough

:lol: Teeheehee *falls in heap laughing* a can of tuna!

Commander Aegir
December 13th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Just watched this in the Great UK and thought it was very good. I never knew Andrea Bocelli was the magistrate :) (google him and see if u agree). I have to say the actress playing Neeva was not that beautiful, Keller's much nicer, and her acting was pants. When the device is shut down her "No Jannick (or whatever)" was crap lol!

Nice Keller/Mckay episode. Hopefully they'll make more of it in the final episode.

Can't wait for Vegas!!!!

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Well I haven't seen this ep yet but the previous ep she whined and whined her way through practically the whole ep and it was as annoying as hell.....

One whiner is more than enough for the show, we don't need another!

hisg1fans
December 13th, 2008, 01:39 PM
So is there an episode of SG1 (in this case the first episodes of S9) that hasn't been 're-done' in Atlantis?

crowmagnumman
December 13th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Well I thought Brain Storm was the lowest Atlantis could ever sink. Maybe it still is, because I started watching this and I didn't get far. I've been dreading this episode all season. Is there any reason at all for me to go back and watch the whole thing? I had been trying to watch every episode because Atlantis is so close to an end. But I just can't make myself watch all of this one. The Vegas one looks a lot more interesting and unique. This body-switching nonsense was already tired a long time ago. To do it again just boggles my mind. And yet another generic forest planet.

mr_kennedy
December 13th, 2008, 02:07 PM
ok when i first read the synopsis for this episode, my eyes literally rolled over and i said oh great another keller episode :p but i really enjoyed it


also nice nod to sg-1 :)

7/10

Linzi
December 13th, 2008, 02:42 PM
I didn't like it. Hope that's a good enough way to express how I feel? ;) I'l explain WHY I feel that way below ;)

Why was Keller made to look a dithering fool? If she's a smart woman, why couldn't she come up with a plan? Why did she need to be rescued again? Why do TPTB keep having her as a damsel in distress? It does a great disservice to the character and to women generally, IMO. I want a strong woman. Who can think on her feet. Not a scared woman. Come on writers, she's been in the Pegasus Galaxy for over two years now! Let's let her move on a little? HUH????

Rodney isn't Rodney anymore. He's a simpering in wuv wittle man and I loathe it. He doesn't care about Radek? I just don't believe it. Rodney wants to make wuv under the stars? OMG, perleeze! What is wrong with these writers???? Also, I'm sick to death of it being said that Keller is too good for Rodney. When Neeva said that she could do better, I just shouted at the screen 'Well, maybe Rodney could do better!' What is this obsession the writers have with Rodney not being good enough for the pretty, newly blonde Keller???? It's so shallow. Looks aren't everything! The geek got the pretty girl. So? Maybe she's the lucky one! It's so stereotypical and cringeworthy, IMO.

Other than that? MEH. SG1 technology? Yawn. Couldn't the writers come up with something else to explain the situation? Obviously not.


Very disappointing. Me thinks the writers ran out of good ideas. Let's hope RCC delivers the goods in Vegas.

Flyboy
December 13th, 2008, 02:55 PM
Keller is fat, Ronan is a proud warrior who would never get out of shape. HE would never let that whiny brat's body outrun him
Prime example of social conditioning through marketing and media right here.

Any woman over a size 0 is considered chubby.

pjt
December 13th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Geez people a few poor eps and the entire season is shot? Give me a break.

Exactly. I used to like to read opinions about episodes on the forum, but now...
There were crappy episodes before, and people could criticize or defend them, but now its only bashing and high pithed whining that's piercing my eardrums.
This wasn't a top ten episode but was decent, I actually prefer this to the previous one, and I know some people think the other way round.

I'm really thinking about re-lurking myself on HateWorld. :(

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 03:10 PM
Well finally watched it.......WHY......Why couldn't I just listen to folks for once telling me it's not worth watching....WHY COULDN'T I JUST LISTEN FOR ONCE :(

Yeah so Neeva in Keller's body was wandering around Atlantis clueless and confused and no one seemed to notice bar Ronon? Rodney is supposed to be oh so in luv with her that even he didn't notice? Is he really that clueless :rolleyes:

hehe loved when Keller in Neeva's body was locked up though :D and then the magistrates guy saying she was to be executed.....I was like WOOHOO :D Then that nice big burly guy with that nice big shiny axe was all set to chop her head off :D So imagine my disappointment when they guys came to the rescue :mckay: Couldn't they have been just a few seconds slower...

And OMFGAM......What the hell was that supposed to be in the puddlejumper between Neeva in Keller's body and Rodney......SWEET LORD I COULDN'T EVEN LOOK IT WAS THAT DISGUSTING :S *scrubs eyes with brillo pad*

Yeah and another thing.......Yeah Teyla was there.......Yeah she was there....Um.......Yeah I actually forgot she was there till I saw her holding the drip :mckay:

So yet again Teyla gets shoved to the background so they can have yet another Keller centric ep :mckay: And more McIcky McPuker :S

pfft and they say she hasn't been reduced to a recurring character, yeah could have fooled me :(

Well at least Ronon got to shoot someone :cool: Or did he get to shoot two folks? Not sure....I think I almost fell asleep a few times...

So I guess for us Teyla fans there's not really much point watching the final couple of eps :(

So all in all a pretty crap ep all in :(

It's a shame SGA is going out with a whimper instead of with a bang :(

jenks
December 13th, 2008, 03:17 PM
They don't, dun dun dunnnnnn...

jenks
December 13th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Maybe Shep finally realised it was safer for everyone if McKay wasn't armed.......

More than likely...

jenks
December 13th, 2008, 03:19 PM
He's a support character, you can't expect too much.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
December 13th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Honestly, do the writers think we're stupid?
They bring back this piece of technology from Season 9 SG-1, explain what it is and what happened in SG-1's experience, and when someone says "could Keller be in the other person's body" Rodney says "yeah why not?". Did they think we'd forget the Daniel and Vala were UNCONSCIOUS when they activated the device? Especially after reminding us so much about "Origin". You could have seen "Origin" once and remembered the tech was one way.

For SGU;
This ep was clearly a set up for SGU, as the stones are gonna be the main form of communication between the crew of the destiny and the SGC

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 03:20 PM
Oh yeah and another thing....What the hell was with Rodney....Zelenka was stabbed and Rodney just brushes it off???

Yeah WTG Rodney you insensitive jerk :mad:

I hope poor Radek gets his own back :mckay:

jenks
December 13th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Prime example of social conditioning through marketing and media right here.

Any woman over a size 0 is considered chubby.

I'd say the trend is going the other way to be honest, I've heard lots of people on here call Keller and Teyla skinny, which is ridiculous. But yeah, saying Keller is chubby is stupid, let alone fat.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Yes, but he's a very significant support character that was once a major character. So naturally, yes -- I expect more.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 03:46 PM
I can't help but notice TPTB is pulling a "Chakotay" (ST:VOY) , where a TV character looked a certain age at the start of the series but progressively looks younger as the series continues.

Really? I think he looks older. Compare him to S1 and you'll see.

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 03:51 PM
Yay McCullough. :D

I still maintain Alan McCullough is a god :D

Browncoat1984
December 13th, 2008, 04:30 PM
I think I'll say that for once I'm agreeing with the anti-Keller crowd on this episode. I just found this episode to be an absolute bore. There was absolutely NOTHING new in this episode. Even Carson was bad in this episode, I forgot he was there half the time. All of the characterizations felt completely off in this episode with the exception of Woolsey. I kept on saying to myself "wait a minute, I don't think so and so should have said/done that" almost every other scene. Keller didn't even have any memorable dialogue.

The biggest thing that I have had a problem with Keller in recent episodes is her characterization. In the beginning of the season, I thought she was great. It seemed the writers were really trying to mature her as a character. Then after about the first half of the season the writers forget how to write for her and you had one episode where we had the more confident/smart Keller and int he next episode we reverted back to the early season four Keller. I had no problem with the whiney character because I figured that she would mature over time, and for a while I thought I was right. Now I'm beginning to think that the writers really have no clue what they're doing with the character, its just an excuse to have Jewel Staite on Atlantis. I think that the way the character is being written now is a major disservice to both the character and the actress, and that there is/was potential for Keller to be so much more than she is right now.

The guest actress wasn't even that great, and sometimes in an episode like this the guest actress will at least make it watchable but I really didn't care about the actress or the character. She got shot at the end and I just kind of shrugged and said "ok, yay, its over." There was nothing substantial at all about this episode, no good news of any character. At least they didn't kill Zalenka off, I was almost afraid they were going to for a moment there. Would have been like TNG's "Skin of Evil."

Can't even say that there were any good visual effects to save the episode. It was nice seeing the ancient communication device again, but why did they have to destroy it again? Would have been neat if they could have kept it and studied it. I just felt that this episode was good for nothing but referencing the beginning of SG-1 season 9, which everyone's probably seen anyway. Overall I rate it a 2 out of 10.

Thankfully I doownloaded last night's The Clone Wars episode and watched that right after and was far more entertained, so that sort of made up for it. Some awesome lightsaber action between Greivous and Kit Fisto and his apprentice.

Klenotka
December 13th, 2008, 04:30 PM
Well, not so bad but I agree with some people who say that all actors seemed bored. Even Jewel and David. I hate how they threat Rodney this season. In one minute, he is a sweet, caring person and in another he doesn´t care. And how even writers keep putting lines into character´s mouths like "Keller, you deserve better"....come on. Rodney is a normal guy and they love each other. There is no point making McKay a lesser man than any other.
Sheppard, the same, he has been watching most of the S5 to get McKay and Keller together, hoping they´ll end up together even in this timeline and then he says to Neeva "hard to believe". I thought that he is Rodney´s friend, best friend even. A friend doesn´t act like that. In one episode, they are risking life for each other and drinking a beer and in another Sheppard makes a cruel fun of McKay. I don´t know....

This Neeva person reminded me of Larrin and I think (and hope) she is dead. After she stabbed Radek, I was really worried. As most of my fellow Czech fans. It would suck if he got killed before the end of SGA. Fortunately, he wasn´t. I loved the Czech line in the end - it made sense, and was exactly something I was hoping for - an angry sentence, when nobody knows what he is saying but it fits :D

I like Keller and I love Rodney, and I am glad they continue in their relationship - I will have never enough of that. But I was a little disappointed that Rodney wasn´t worried enough (and why the hell did he go without the vest again? - did any of "genius" writers bother to explain that?).
And, I think even Jewel has to be tired of her constant running in forests. 3/4 of her scenes in S5 were in forests. :rolleyes: Come on, this woman is a doctor, make her do her job.

And, I agree, not enough team. There was a horrible lack of emotions here. I missed some determination in finding of Keller, or comfort for Rodney, assuring him that she will be OK, or even emotions from Rodney! The only concern was from Rodney, Sheppard and Woolsey in the beginning when Radek was stabbed.

What I like is the coalition thing and that people in Pegasus know about Atlantis. Here, I am sorry we won´t see more of that.

The scene with a Jumper flying over Atlantis was cool.

Season 4 sucked. Season 5 is more like "I don´t care". I am glad that Rodney got a girl and I am glad that we still have our Czech scientist but that´s all.
I am kind of glad it ends - they seem to have their focus elsewhere -movies and SGU. It almost looks like they are trying to just write *something* til the end and so even the writing is bad. Shame.

magictrick
December 13th, 2008, 04:31 PM
I'll take any episode with Carson I can get. Although I have to admit this episode was incredibly weak.

I didn't even realize Teyla was in this episode until like half way through either. I think she had like 5 lines.

The use of the ancient device reminded me of SG-1 though, and how much better those episodes were.
:vala::daniel:

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Yep it's a sad state of affairs when the guest star has more lines than Teyla and Ronon put together :(

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 04:40 PM
*huggles!!*



Yes, he is good to look at. :)



Yay McCullough. :D

He wrote some great eps this season. He wrote "Deadalus Variations", "The Queen", and "Outsiders".

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 04:45 PM
Exactly. I used to like to read opinions about episodes on the forum, but now...
There were crappy episodes before, and people could criticize or defend them, but now its only bashing and high pithed whining that's piercing my eardrums.
This wasn't a top ten episode but was decent, I actually prefer this to the previous one, and I know some people think the other way round.

I'm really thinking about re-lurking myself on HateWorld. :(

This was not a bad ep, but it was not a top 10 on any of my list. The show was supposed to be renewed for a 6th season so this was not really the final season. The producers even had already set up a lot of stories for Season 6. But I think the last 2 eps will be epic. This episode was just a passing by, with nothing more than to entertain. It was fine for what it was. The season had a strong beginning, middle, and well now it needs a good end. So my hopes are still very high.

BTW, the last scene in this ep was really good. Felt like classic SGA with the Zelenka, Mckay, and Carson interaction. :)

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 04:46 PM
He wrote some great eps this season. He wrote "Deadalus Variations", "The Queen", and "Outsiders".

What else has he written.....It seems to me he writes kinda teamy type eps and actually gives all of the team things to do to a certain extent...Can't he just write all the eps :D

Jumper_One
December 13th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Joe posted 2 behind the scenes vids (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/december-13-2008-sleep-deprived-and-cranky/) ;)

Skydiver
December 13th, 2008, 04:47 PM
So is there an episode of SG1 (in this case the first episodes of S9) that hasn't been 're-done' in Atlantis?
sg1 was on for 10 years and 200+ eps, sga will come in with 5 years and 100....so yeah, there are PLENTY of SG1 stories that haven't been redone :)

Jack_Bauer
December 13th, 2008, 04:58 PM
What else has he written.....It seems to me he writes kinda teamy type eps and actually gives all of the team things to do to a certain extent...Can't he just write all the eps :D

...and throw Brad Wright out on his arse...

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:00 PM
...and throw Brad Wright out on his arse...

Yep that works for me :D

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 05:02 PM
What else has he written.....It seems to me he writes kinda teamy type eps and actually gives all of the team things to do to a certain extent...Can't he just write all the eps :D

He wrote Tabula Rasa actually, which was his first episode, btw. He also wrote " The Kindred".

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 05:03 PM
I'll take any episode with Carson I can get. Although I have to admit this episode was incredibly weak.

I didn't even realize Teyla was in this episode until like half way through either. I think she had like 5 lines.

Yeah, same here. I want more powerful appearences from him. We didn't even get to see Teyla until 15-20 minutes in. :S


What else has he written.....It seems to me he writes kinda teamy type eps and actually gives all of the team things to do to a certain extent...Can't he just write all the eps :D

Isn't he also a new writer in s4? Because I liked (or were ok with) all of his eps.

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:03 PM
He wrote Tabula Rasa actually, which was his first episode, btw. He also wrote " The Kindred".

This reaffirms my belief that he is indeed a god :D

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:04 PM
Yeah, same here. I want more powerful appearences from him. We didn't even get to see Teyla until 15-20 minutes in. :S



Isn't he also a new writer in s4? Because I liked (or were ok with) all of his eps.

Yeah I think he only came into it in S4!

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 05:05 PM
This reaffirms my belief that he is indeed a god :D

He is, and guess what? I don't think he is on the SGU team.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 05:05 PM
I don't think he is on the SGU team.

SGU's future looks bleaker by the minute. ;_;

Jack_Bauer
December 13th, 2008, 05:06 PM
He is, and guess what? I don't think he is on the SGU team.

fcuk

Skydiver
December 13th, 2008, 05:09 PM
so....we've heard from the folks that think the eps sucks

Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:10 PM
He is, and guess what? I don't think he is on the SGU team.

uh oh....Well that's great.....Now there's no reason for me to watch it :D

Stargate really don't know how to keep their best writers these days!

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?

Seeing Carson wear the black t-shirt of yum. (Yes, I'm shallow.)

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:16 PM
so....we've heard from the folks that think the eps sucks

Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?

Um...The end credits...Does that count ;)

generally
December 13th, 2008, 05:22 PM
I have to say the actress playing Neeva was not that beautiful, Keller's much nicer, and her acting was pants

What are you trying to say here? That if she was, in your opinion, beautiful, then her less than par acting would have been acceptable?

Well, this is my opinion. One, that actress is smoking hot. Two, her acting was great. Three, I wish they didn't kill her because she is way more interesting than Keller.

Stormtrooper
December 13th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?

Neeva, especially her voice.

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 05:23 PM
so....we've heard from the folks that think the eps sucks

Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?

What does that suppose to mean? A bunch of folks said they liked it and said why. I guess those people are invisible. Anyway, It was not a bad ep. The final scene was great with Zelenka, Carson, and Mckay. It felt like Classic SGA from the early seasons. I loved that.

Last week was a pretty solid ep, and a few eps back we got (Looks at GW poll) a top 3 ep of the season, which was epic to me. So I think the show is doing fine, this ep was just a stand alone ep, because the producers felt the show would go beyond 5 Seasons.

This ep had it's moments, but overall it was a decent ep, nothing special.

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 05:25 PM
uh oh....Well that's great.....Now there's no reason for me to watch it :D

Stargate really don't know how to keep their best writers these days!

One of them is producing Sanctuary, and he wrote some good SG-1 eps.

SylvreWolfe
December 13th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?


It wasn't cheesified with the poor plot devices of RDA, Michael Shanks, or Amanda Tapping.

pwells
December 13th, 2008, 05:25 PM
I have to say that this was the worst episode this season so far. The plot was an accidental body switch, and they spend the time figuring it out and fixing it in time. There were no surprises and no excitement. Any one of us could have written that script, and I think many could do a lot better using a body-switching theme. It's too bad because it had potential, and it was a waste of an episode as well as the full cast, including Beckett.

SylvreWolfe
December 13th, 2008, 05:27 PM
I have to say that this was the worst episode this season so far. The plot was an accidental body switch, and they spend the time figuring it out and fixing it in time. There were no surprises and no excitement. Any one of us could have written that script, and I think many could do a lot better using a body-switching theme. It's too bad because it had potential, and it was a waste of an episode as well as the full cast, including Beckett.

Hey, that script could have been written by David Kemper or Richard Manning.....

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:28 PM
One of them is producing Sanctuary, and he wrote some good SG-1 eps.

um.....yeah.......drawing a blank....You'll need to tell me, did you forget the goldfish reference ;)

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 05:29 PM
um.....yeah.......drawing a blank....You'll need to tell me, did you forget the goldfish reference ;)

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/peachychickeee13/dory.jpg

:p

It is Damian Kindler.

Linda06
December 13th, 2008, 05:33 PM
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/peachychickeee13/dory.jpg

:p

It is Damian Kindler.

:lol:

Oh yeah...I remember the name....Not a clue what eps he wrote though :S And don't even start spouting out names....I more than likely won't remember what the ep was about :p

PeteJ
December 13th, 2008, 05:33 PM
so....we've heard from the folks that think the eps sucks

Here's a challenge, what did you like about it?

It wasn't a two-parter.

Skydiver
December 13th, 2008, 05:41 PM
even though i really didn't like the original SG1 story with Daniel and Vala (who, oddly enough were the Keller and Mckay of SG1....a pairing that the show runner put forth while others were left behind), it was nice to see an acknowledgement of the show's past for once..and, astonishingly enough, the continuity wasn't totally frakked up :)

jelgate
December 13th, 2008, 05:47 PM
I agree Clonekett was wasted in this episode. He had been wasted all season. TPTB should have keep him dead after Sunday;)

Briangate78
December 13th, 2008, 05:48 PM
What was good about this episode was the little twist, when they are racing to save Keller. I honestly thought they would show up stun the Axe man, and then save Keller. It was a total surprise a different group saved Keller thinking Keller was Neeva. This is clever writing, imo. Carl Binder really is good at those twists and turns.

Reiko
December 13th, 2008, 06:04 PM
*ignores jel*


Oh yeah...I remember the name....Not a clue what eps he wrote though :S And don't even start spouting out names....I more than likely won't remember what the ep was about :p

He co-wrote Poisoning the Well (with a woman whose name escapes me), Trinity, The Long Goodbye, and Tao of Rodney.

Skydiver
December 13th, 2008, 06:25 PM
yeah, you would have expected to have shep & co save her, instead it's her 'alter ego's' friends

and the ending....rather cold blooded, if it happened one way that is.

someone in one of the reviews did mention an alternate way it could have plaed out....which was telling it from everyone else's pov, leaving us to wonder if Keller had cracked up, THEN do the reveal