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Anon
December 6th, 2008, 04:01 AM
When Todd goes to get bitten by the iratus bug, to cure him self, he will be successful. But he said that 100,000 years ago, that would work. I am suspecting that it does not work properly. He will change, drastically, he will become some vicious monster, that has instincts like a iratus but, the kindness of a iratus but (im not saying that Todd was nice to start out with). But he will change. and he will be the enemy at the gate, and prob the major villain in Stargate Twilight.

dasNdanger
December 6th, 2008, 05:10 AM
When Todd goes to get bitten by the iratus bug, to cure him self, he will be successful. But he said that 100,000 years ago, that would work. I am suspecting that it does not work properly. He will change, drastically, he will become some vicious monster, that has instincts like a iratus but, the kindness of a iratus but (im not saying that Todd was nice to start out with). But he will change. and he will be the enemy at the gate, and prob the major villain in Stargate Twilight.


Not so sure about that. Todd said, very sincerely, too...that he would not forget Sheppard's compassion in letting him go. The theme of compassion was woven throughout this ep, and - I suspect - done so to teach Todd the concept of compassion. From the sounds of it, there is a Wraith threat in the final episode, but I would not be surprised if Todd comes to the aid of the Lanteans, if for nothing else than to pay back to Sheppard what he owes him...as compassionate an act any Wraith can give. However, in this regard my biggest fear is that they will use this as an opportunity to have Todd do something ultimately 'noble', such as sacrifice himself so the humans can live. That would totally suck. And it would totally destroy the character, and all they have done with him, to turn him into just another villain. He's come way to far for that.

das

Anon
December 6th, 2008, 08:00 AM
Not so sure about that. Todd said, very sincerely, too...that he would not forget Sheppard's compassion in letting him go. The theme of compassion was woven throughout this ep, and - I suspect - done so to teach Todd the concept of compassion. From the sounds of it, there is a Wraith threat in the final episode, but I would not be surprised if Todd comes to the aid of the Lanteans, if for nothing else than to pay back to Sheppard what he owes him...as compassionate an act any Wraith can give. However, in this regard my biggest fear is that they will use this as an opportunity to have Todd do something ultimately 'noble', such as sacrifice himself so the humans can live. That would totally suck. And it would totally destroy the character, and all they have done with him, to turn him into just another villain. He's come way to far for that.

das


well he is in the movie, so i doubt it.

jelgate
December 6th, 2008, 09:41 AM
well he is in the movie, so i doubt it.Well technically we don't that for sure. JM hinted at him being in the movie but this wouldn't be the first time fans have misread what JM has said

Ltcolshepjumper
December 6th, 2008, 10:15 AM
When Todd goes to get bitten by the iratus bug, to cure him self, he will be successful. But he said that 100,000 years ago, that would work. I am suspecting that it does not work properly. He will change, drastically, he will become some vicious monster, that has instincts like a iratus but, the kindness of a iratus but (im not saying that Todd was nice to start out with). But he will change. and he will be the enemy at the gate, and prob the major villain in Stargate Twilight.

Actually, Todd said that 100,000 years ago, it wouldn't work most of the time, as it would cause the Wraith in question to die. However, now that Todd has recieved the treatment, maybe it will work. Well, we know it will work. I just doubt that he'll become the villian, even though the promo pics show him as a prisoner again.

tricky
December 6th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Well, we always see Todd as a prisoner. always at least 2 guards on him at all times (though they could search him better).
And while that old treatment almost always killed the Wraith in question, Todd isn't an ordinary Wraith right now: who knows, this could actually be the thing that doesn't restore him to normal Wraith functionality, but actually does what the whole 'retro-virus' idea was supposed to do.
Or at least make him a less evil Hybrid.

GoSpikey
December 6th, 2008, 03:48 PM
When Todd goes to get bitten by the iratus bug, to cure him self, he will be successful. But he said that 100,000 years ago, that would work. I am suspecting that it does not work properly. He will change, drastically, he will become some vicious monster, that has instincts like a iratus but, the kindness of a iratus but (im not saying that Todd was nice to start out with). But he will change. and he will be the enemy at the gate, and prob the major villain in Stargate Twilight.

I sincerely hope that he won't turn into an Iratus a$$... :o

I disagree with the rest of the post. :)

Anon
December 7th, 2008, 08:05 AM
well what ever floats ur boat

Lonely Goldfish
December 9th, 2008, 03:08 PM
I'm just saying he gets cured of his "Cancer" (without Questing the whole feeding hand thing; Although, I don't think he's going to be feeding on humans anymore)

rsanchez
December 10th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Well, we always see Todd as a prisoner. always at least 2 guards on him at all times (though they could search him better).
And while that old treatment almost always killed the Wraith in question, Todd isn't an ordinary Wraith right now: who knows, this could actually be the thing that doesn't restore him to normal Wraith functionality, but actually does what the whole 'retro-virus' idea was supposed to do.
Or at least make him a less evil Hybrid.
That would be great. I would love to see Christopher on again with no makeup, although people might mistake him for that Athosian guy.

FallenAngelII
December 10th, 2008, 09:42 PM
When Todd goes to get bitten by the iratus bug, to cure him self, he will be successful. But he said that 100,000 years ago, that would work. I am suspecting that it does not work properly. He will change, drastically, he will become some vicious monster, that has instincts like a iratus but, the kindness of a iratus but (im not saying that Todd was nice to start out with). But he will change. and he will be the enemy at the gate, and prob the major villain in Stargate Twilight.
The Wraith haven't been around for that long. Because I doubt they went 90,000 years without warring with the Ancients (and the War only lasted 100 years, upon whose end the Ancients left for Earth 8000 B.C. So the Wraith are around 10100+ years old).

Also, why shouldn't it work for Todd? Todd was actually alive 10.000 years ago, so if it worked 10.000 years ago, then it should work for him, since he was born then.

So as long as the Iratus bug hasn't changed drastically, it should still work.


Not so sure about that. Todd said, very sincerely, too...
Todd is known to honor his promises and his word. He's also known to not lie. Deceive and not tell the entire truth, yeah. But not outright lying.

ciannwn
December 11th, 2008, 12:29 PM
The Wraith haven't been around for that long. Because I doubt they went 90,000 years without warring with the Ancients (and the War only lasted 100 years, upon whose end the Ancients left for Earth 8000 B.C. So the Wraith are around 10100+ years old).

The transcript confirms what I thought I heard.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s5/transcripts/517.shtml

Hundreds of thousands of years ago there was a treatment of last resort.

That's several lots of 100,000 years that the Wraith have been around. It doesn't make sense that the Lanteans didn't find them until just over 10,000 years ago but I'm guessing we viewers aren't supposed to question such things.

FallenAngelII
December 11th, 2008, 03:53 PM
That's several lots of 100,000 years that the Wraith have been around. It doesn't make sense that the Lanteans didn't find them until just over 10,000 years ago but I'm guessing we viewers aren't supposed to question such things.
The writers are hacks (at writing). What else is new. Either it's a retcon or it's them not remembering their own writing and writing in plot holes, who knows.

Either way, it makes for bad TV for us thinking and analyzing viewers (as opposed to those who just view Atlantis casually).

The Collector
December 12th, 2008, 01:42 AM
Hopefully as an interesting turn of events when Todd finds an Iratus Queen and allows it to bite him... it doesn't grant him his feeding ability back. At which point he'd be stuck as a wraith that can't feed...

Lonely Goldfish
December 12th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Hopefully as an interesting turn of events when Todd finds an Iratus Queen and allows it to bite him... it doesn't grant him his feeding ability back. At which point he'd be stuck as a wraith that can't feed...

:wraithanime11:Todd's a steak and potatos kind of guy... O_O Right after we figure out the teeth problem and move off the liquid diet.
Thinking now...Technically the bug should kill the cancer/ boost his imune system so he could heal himself. I think? He wouldn't get the feeding ability back. (Example: you cut off an arm your not growing it back no matter how much you let the Iratus bug feed on you) That just makes sence to me.
All Wraith without Depending on humans to live. Truely un-leshed.

Infinite-Possibilities
December 13th, 2008, 02:21 PM
When did they specifically say Wraith have not been around for hundreds of thousands of years? I don't think they ever delved into the earlier history of the Wraith. I know they've retconed things before but this doesn't as of yet strike me as one of those times.

michellec24_7
December 13th, 2008, 02:35 PM
The transcript confirms what I thought I heard.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s5/transcripts/517.shtml

Hundreds of thousands of years ago there was a treatment of last resort.

That's several lots of 100,000 years that the Wraith have been around. It doesn't make sense that the Lanteans didn't find them until just over 10,000 years ago but I'm guessing we viewers aren't supposed to question such things.


When did they specifically say Wraith have not been around for hundreds of thousands of years? I don't think they ever delved into the earlier history of the Wraith. I know they've retconed things before but this doesn't as of yet strike me as one of those times.

Hey guys, just a little thought to support your postings;

Maybe the Wraith didn't come from the Pegasus galaxy originally?? Hence why they could have been around for that long.... they seem to move from feeding ground to feeding ground, it stands to reason that maybe they've emptied one galaxy and moved onto another... they were looking to move to Earth originally for that reason, a fresh new feeding ground!

chocolate_muffin
December 13th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Maybe the Wraith didn't come from the Pegasus galaxy originally??

According to that theory the iratus bugs should originate from another galaxy too, since they're the ancestors of the Wraith. Were they present on any other worlds in the show? They don't seem like space-flight capable or able to use the stargate.

Then again:

The Stargate Omnipedia: The combination of iratus and human D.N.A. brought about the Wraith form over millions of years.

michellec24_7
December 13th, 2008, 02:53 PM
According to that theory the iratus bugs should originate from another galaxy too, since they're the ancestors of the Wraith. Were they present on any other worlds in the show? They don't seem like space-flight capable or able to use the stargate.

Then again:

Hmmm... good point, didnt think of that... *slaps head* Sorry, been on a 12 hour shift 2day, I get a little confuzzled :)

Sevenofnine
December 14th, 2008, 03:29 PM
I beleive Todd will come back fully healed and functional - went back to the transcript and it said

KELLER: He says there's a way to fix this.

SHEPPARD: Fix what? Cure the disease?

TODD: Not cure it, but undo it.

SHEPPARD: What are you talkin' about?

TODD: As you know, healthy Wraith have an inherent ability to heal themselves of almost any ailment, but this has not always been the case. Hundreds of thousands of years ago there was a treatment of last resort.

SHEPPARD: All right, spare me the history lessons.

TODD: A terminally ill Wraith could occasionally restore himself to perfect health if he allowed an iratus bug, as you call them – specifically a queen – to feed on him.

KELLER: And you're just bringing this up now?

TODD: The process was abandoned long ago because it is dangerous, almost always resulting in the death of the Wraith in question. I only consider it now because it would appear that we are beyond hope. Now, there is a planet less than three days' journey where we will find what we need.

Restore him to perfect health - so maybe - grasping at straws - he comes back fully wraith - feeding hand and all - ready to deal with Atlantis!

Well really - we just have to wait till next year. :(

Seven

spinny magee
December 19th, 2008, 05:41 AM
Hmm I dunnoI have seen some pics from Enemy at the Gates and he is looking as pretty as ever