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GateWorld
December 5th, 2008, 10:10 PM
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Magnus and the others infiltrate the underground tunnels in search of the Source, and must face a gauntlet of challenges tailored to their unique abilities. Meanwhile, the Cabal tries to turn Ashley against her mother, and to bring out Henry's animal side permanently.

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Mousie
January 5th, 2009, 02:19 PM
Wow wow wow. On the whole it was an excellent episode and I loved it. It was full of angst and sadness and was played brilliantly by them all, even Clara wasn't too annoying this episode.

Helen

Her test turned out to be a mental challenge, so it seems her only gift was immortality

Watson

I guessed early on he was going to die. It was very sad to see him go and Helen's reaction was poignant. It was lovely to see John and Tesla where emotionally reacting to his passing too, despite the antagonism between them all

Ashley

Again, I figured quite early on that the Cabal where going to get control of her, the question is, was it voluntery on Ashley's part or mind control. I assume it's mind control of some sort, that she hasn't just come around to their way of thinking. I don't see them being able to offer Ashley anything to make her willingly turn against Helen. This seemed even more obvious when Henry managed to break out and there was no one around. It totally screamed "They are letting you escape" She can teleport like John!

There were plently of excellent lines for them all and I loved John's anguish when Watson pushed him over the Ripper Murders. It seems he really is suffering for what he did.

It ended on a cliff hanger and I'll be eagerly awaiting season 2.

Big Ashley/ending spoiler

It ended with us seeing the edge of a purple flash when Helen was examining the blood, she looks over and the vial has gone. She assumes it was Druitt who took it and confronts him angrily. He denies taking it and Helen realises rapidly that it had to have been Ashley. Ashley teleported in, took the blood, ported out to Easter Island where she handed it over to Cabal lady.

Dr Lee
January 5th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Whoa!

blimey that was an ending and a half....

When did Ashley get the power to teleport? I definately didn't see THAT coming!

Who else thought Watson was gonna say....

Will, I am your father as he died? their power is so similar, Watson just had longer to hone his skills...

Shame he died though....

And what happened to Bigfoot?

Pandora's_Box
January 5th, 2009, 02:27 PM
That's all well and good and makes me very impatient to see the actual episode on Friday, but.....

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY

....who was shirtless?

:D

The Kit Kat Lady
January 5th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Wow, wow, wow! Twists and turns galore in this episode but it's left us with lots of questions like who are the Cabal and do they really want what they say they want - with how it ended, I very much doubt it.

Lots of angst, a few surprises, and a couple of things which were obvious from an early stage has certainly left me wanting more.

Overall a very good first season, like most new shows, I have my favourite episodes and some were stronger than others. I'm glad they managed to move away from the "well this is the homage to X-Files and this is the homage to Star Trek" that some of the early episodes had, even though I still enjoyed them.

Bring on season 2 I say.

Elaine

Mousie
January 5th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Will and Clara, Will was down to his boxers and Clara completely bare.

Pandora's_Box
January 5th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Will and Clara, Will was down to his boxers and Clara completely bare.

No Henry?

:: pouts ::

Mousie
January 5th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Yes! I can't believe I forgot that! So much happened it slipped my mind. There was Henry chest on display!

Cagranosalis
January 5th, 2009, 03:48 PM
Oh wow!

That was....breathtakingly awesome for a first season finale. I saw bits of it coming but, even then, not too far ahead of it actually happening and, I almost think that's how it should be. Some amazing dialogue an just clever stuff. I'm almost sad I can't Sky+ it now. When's it on again? Oh Wednesday you say? Oh I shall so be rewatching that one.

I'm sorry, I wish that was more of an intelligent review but, frankly, I need to rewatch it with my jaw closed first and then I might stop fangurling everyone involved in Sanctury to post something rational!



I so promised myself I would not get into a TV series like this again. Oh dear!

LizzieAnne
January 5th, 2009, 04:05 PM
Great episode. Loved It.



Pity Watson died. Loved his character. Loved Henry's reaction when he battered the door. Wow shirtless Henry and Will! :P
I thought the trials they had to go through to retrieve the vial of blood were just different enough to be interesting. The talk between Watson and Druitt was good. It does seem to show that they are taking Druitt down the path of redemption rather than make him bad again.

Ashley! It was a bit obvious that something like that would happen but even so I liked how they did it and it seems she's inherited her fathers gift as well. Interesting set up for season 2.



Cliffhangers! :cool:

LizzieAnne
January 5th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Oh wow!

That was....breathtakingly awesome for a first season finale. I saw bits of it coming but, even then, not too far ahead of it actually happening and, I almost think that's how it should be. Some amazing dialogue an just clever stuff. I'm almost sad I can't Sky+ it now. When's it on again? Oh Wednesday you say? Oh I shall so be rewatching that one.



Did you know that ITV4 has a +1 hour channel as well. You can watch it once again straight after. ;) :o

Pandora's_Box
January 5th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Yes! I can't believe I forgot that! So much happened it slipped my mind. There was Henry chest on display!

:: flails ::

Now I seriously can't wait for this episode to air over on my side of the pond.

:D

Dr Lee
January 5th, 2009, 04:34 PM
look on the bright side... you get to see EATG before us brits.

I only have one..... downer with the episode....the one bit of female toplessness... and she was invisible or had her knees in the way :mckay:

:lol:

knowles2
January 5th, 2009, 04:36 PM
It was a other brilliant episode from the team again.
Sad Watson died, but it does seem like Will being Helen apprentice is more by design than destiny.

I love the interactions between all of the five, they all crazy in their own way but the interactions between Druit and Watson showed that they were more friends than enemies. And I just love the twist and turns in the episodes they were just brilliant.

I like the fact Henry seemed important to the cabol to and we got a little hint that his people seemed still to be around and the Cabol have been having some kind of trouble with them.

What Cabol ultimate plan is more illusive than ever, they seem to want to create abnormals super solders, whiles developing a weapon to wipe them all out and then release this weapon to fall Magnus into obtaining the Vampire blood for them.
Either they are abnormals themselves and the blood to develope a vaccine for themselves or to resurrect the Vampires or to further enhance their super solder, personally I do not see the purpose of the last one given the intelligence the vamps seem to process it would be risky to mix that with their super solders/.
The Cabol seem cunning and manipulative and I am loving them.
I think their ultimate goal will be reveal eventually through.

I actually liked the invisible women and they seem to be having fun with her and her abilities, any one know if she going to become a regular, I got the feeling she will become a reoccurring character after all Magnus needs someone to take over the England Sanctuary.

Through I would of like to have known who was looking after the Sanctuary while the gang was gone and who was feeding the Abnormals that live their. I would like them to expand on the current residence next season and give us more of an idea on how they live and interact Magnus, she never seem to use their abilities for protection or to help her achieve her goals. Through this most likely budgetary reasons. But I can dream of them doing a episode through the eyes of the abnormals cannot I, A Day In The Life of a Abnormal. As well as this introducing us to the other sanctuaries and their leaders would be good, why we get hints that the Sanctuary is apart of a far bigger organisation, I would like to see how big it is.

A perfect season, with some outstanding episodes and I look forward to next season and finding out some answers to questions, like is Ashley gonna stay evil, will Druit stay good or will he gets is mojo back and will Tesla be the next bad guy and well what did Magnus get up to in world war 2.

Devilish Me
January 5th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Ahhh... chills down my spine...

Awesome episode. Loved the interaction between the five, the events, loved that Nicola stayed to work with Helen... ah, there's nothing I didn't like in this ep.

About Helen's powers, I don't think we saw everything there is in her. I certainly hope not. I mean, yeah, it's cool that she gets to live long, but everyone else has something else going on.

I think John doesn't have longevity as he has Helen's blood in him so that's why he survived for so long, Nicola is a vampire so it's natural that he can't die (at least not of old age), as for James, he had machines to sustain him, and we already know that Griffin died.

Laughed so much when Nicola made that comment about Gregory.

I was so disappointed that James died... I wanted for him to be alive as well as the others. Loved the way John and James discussed what happened in the past, and James dying felt like the final release for John.

As for John and Helen... love their chemistry. They have so much subtlety going on, just wonderful.

John's concern for Ashley was just so sweet, and Helen's realization at the end was heartbreaking.

I want moreeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

majorsal
January 5th, 2009, 08:46 PM
tries not to read spoilers... tries... saw one... saw another... wishes she'd stayed spoiler free... has no will power... tries not to read 'more' spoilers...

Mousie
January 5th, 2009, 11:32 PM
I loved the line when Tesla finally managed to force himself through all the electricity, and he's panting on the other side and says to Helen "I don't think your father liked me".

Also when Helen initially thought her trail was practically non existant and Tesla Says "Daddy's girl".

Mousie
January 6th, 2009, 12:29 AM
For Pandora, Nekkid people

Henry
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Henry5-1.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Henry4.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Henry3.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Henry2.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Henry1.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Henry6.jpg

Will
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will1.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will2.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will3.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will4.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will5.jpg

Mousie
January 6th, 2009, 12:47 AM
And 2 extra Will ones

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will7.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/Raylenth/Will6.jpg

AvatarIII
January 6th, 2009, 02:46 AM
wow awesome!!!

who'd of thunk theres a good 200ml of vampire blood.... and it hasn't coagulated after hundereds of years lol :P

i always figured ash would have inherited helens power, but it never clicked that she could have inherited john's aswell!! :D

bring on season 2!!

RealmOfX
January 6th, 2009, 03:50 AM
First let me say...


I HATE CLIFFHANGERS!!!!



Now that I've got that off my chest let me just say that this was a thoroughly great ep to end the season. They stepped up the pace a tad but still gave us great character pieces and great one liners. I want more of this please :D

I'm going to have to make some time tomorrow to sit down and watch both parts together. :D :D :D

starlover
January 6th, 2009, 09:42 AM
I just want to say Oh. My. God. This was a seriously cool episode.

I loved the "quest" they had to go on for finding the vial. The pairs that came out of it were good( I loved Helens line about adolescents) :P
The talk between John and Watson was very good and it explained some things for me!:D

Then we saw Henry and Will half naked...Squee...they're both so handsome...we should see them like this more often;) :P:D

The twist in the end was very good, although I already had read spoilers it came suprisingly and it was very good. I loved the response from Helen that she thought John did it, but that she soon enough thought Ashley could have done it as well...the end that Ashley gives the vial to that woman:eek:

Awesome....

I do need more episodes right now...I don't like cliffhangers like this...WAY too big*pouts*

*thinks about stalking Damian so she can read the script very soon* ;) :P

Pandora's_Box
January 6th, 2009, 10:00 AM
Mousie....

:: bows before your greatness ::

I've managed to watch the episode by now and..... :D ........

bossluna
January 6th, 2009, 11:38 AM
mandingo! this was a truly awesome episode. i remained spoiler free (Not an easy task I must say!) to really enjoy it and couldn't believe what I was seeing. I'm still feeling the effects of the final moments and it sucks because I'll have to wait til next season to have it resolved. I suppose the DVD's will help tremendously.

I didn't expect Watson's death at all!!!! I was shocked. Here we were all happy that they found the keys and then BOOM! You hear a man moaning and you see Watson on the ground and he's not looking too good. And Helen's crying and you see John beside her and he reaches out towards her and places his hand on the small of her back and looks as though his own heart is breaking because he hates to see helen cry and you get the feeling that he and Watson were the best of friends before the madness began.

I think the last few minutes were the most tense I've ever been. From the moment Ashley faints to the final moments when Helen realizes what's happened, I was riveted, gasping and "OH NO!ing" and getting that sinking feeling in my gut...and we see Ashley handing the blood over to the cabal... then it says "To be continued....muahahahahaaaaa!" So Evil. I look at the screen, feeling devastated, haunted by the look that Helen had on her face in the final moments as she says, "We're too late..."


I can't believe Season 1 is over already. Too soon! Needs 9 more episodes danggit!

Pandora's_Box
January 6th, 2009, 11:59 AM
Yeah, that was one hell of an episode. And even though I continue to be bugged by the blatant plot device that was Ashley and Henry's majorly ill advised "mission" into Cabal territory, the rest of the episode and it's content was enough for me to thoroughly enjoy the finale and be grossly entertained by it.

I have to say that, plot line aside, some of my favourite moments were the purely character driven scenes between Helen, Druitt, Watson, and Tesla. Tesla's penchant for electricity aside, there were sparks in each every scene involving those 4, but I especially loved the interactions of Druitt and Watson.

It intrigues me that regardless of any lingering resentment Watson may have felt for being out-maneuvered (as it were) by Druit (as Jack the Ripper) all those years ago, he either still considered Druitt enough of a friend (or wished deep down that he still remained one) to not exactly hate him, or respected the man Druitt had been before the murders enough to grant him the benefit of the doubt just enough to trust him for this mission. Granted, he could have been doing it all for Helen, but that theory is rather belittling to Watson's great mind in my view.

And Druitt himself, so torn, tormented, and tortured over what he did a century ago. He maintains that he'd been possessed by an unassailable force, ergo it hadn't really been him, but for all his insistence of this supposed fact, he doesn't seem to be able to forgive himself for what he's done. Maybe this "irresistible force" was explained and I missed it (in that case, please let me know), but considering what is now happening with Ashley, I rather wonder if a) this doesn't have something to do with his powers (which seem to be Ashley's as well) and b) if the Cabal know and are using it to control Ashley.

Tesla is just so much fun to watch and he could have easily become the purely evil, 2-dimensional villain, but in the capable of hands of both the actor playing him and TPTB he is more than that. Certainly, the level of detail TPTB bring to the Sanctuary-verse helps us to understand (to an extent) Tesla's reasons for doing what he has attempted in a previous episode. If the vampires as a species were all that we were being led to believe, then common sense (from Tesla's point-of-view) would dictate the necessity of an attempt to revive them to their former glory. Of course, from humanity's perspective this would be oh-so-bad, but nonetheless understandable. What is definitely intriguing from a characterization standpoint is his loyalty to The Five. Granted, he could have some ulterior motive that we are unaware of, but I'll choose to think he still genuinely cares for these people.....deep, deep, down. I also liked the little glimpse of his fears. For all his power and strength, the fact that he still fears something (even if it is his own death by electrocution) is a nice touch.

......

This is getting lengthy. I'll save you lot and reserve my last points for later. :D

suqata
January 6th, 2009, 12:18 PM
HUH? I didnt think it aired yet or did my DVR not record it in which case the world has ended.

Dr Lee
January 6th, 2009, 12:21 PM
Sci-Fi stopped for Xmas..... ITV4 here in the uk didn't... we got the finale on Monday while you'll get it on friday like normal

kes
January 6th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Loved it.

Ash
But they better explain how/why Ash want dark side!

The five
Loved the dif between the trials LOL Daddy Magnus really did not like Tesla. His teste was the only difficult one.
And Girffins' was a peace of cake. I mean the girl was green but a vet wouldve done that with his eyes closed!

Pandora's_Box
January 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM
The five
Loved the dif between the testes LOL Daddy Magnus really did not like Tesla. His teste was the only difficult one.
And Girffins' was a peace of cake. I mean the girl was green but a vet wouldve done that with his eyes closed!

I'm sorry. I know you didn't mean it like it reads, but I spit my coffee out at that one.

kes
January 6th, 2009, 12:44 PM
I'm sorry. I know you didn't mean it like it reads, but I spit my coffee out at that one.


LOL

Ok no more joke. Edited

Klenotka
January 6th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Oh, all those shirtless men...:D

I really liked it. It wasnīt the most thrilling cliffhanger ever but Sanctuary isnīt about action but about an atmosphere and a gradation.
I LOVED interactions between characters in this episode. Actors in all male roles were awesome with a great chemistry. Especially Chris with Peter as John and James. Their talk about Johnīs reasons for murdering was great. I love the smile on Johnīs (and Chris) face. Itīs so mysterious that you never know what to think. I also loved the temporary friendship between Will and James. It was so nice, two people with such great ability. It shows that Will doesnīt have to be "abnormal" to be special. (but I would like to see him to have some abnormal ability :)) I liked how his ability was presented here. But as someone mentioned here - I also thought for a minute that James is gonna say: "I am your father, Will" :D Well, technically, we know nothing about Will. Only that his mother was killed by some monster so for all we know, he could be even Helenīs brother or whatever :D I canīt wait to know more about Will and his past. There wasnīt much about it in S1.
Scene between Clara and Will was great, too. :)

The twist in the end - well, I expected Henry or Ashley to betray but in Henryīs case, it was unprobable and more obvious. But that Ashley gets Johnīs ability was a total suprise. I always thought that if she should have some ability than immortality after her mother.

I hate that they killed Watson :( He was fantastic. I also liked Tesla. What is a name of that actor?

Now, something for what you probably are gonna kill me (virtually). I am not a big fan of Amanda. I have never been her fan. But this show works for me...but in last episodes, I donīt know - it seems to me that she is pushed back by other actors who are (at least for me) more interesting or have a chance to develop (Robin Dunne e.g.). But itīs the way they wrote her lately - she seems just state the obvious or say some scientific stuff or waving with gun, switching two or three face expressions, and all the work are doing the others. I donīt know. I hope I will get a better impression in S2. This is a difficult role. Helen is 150 years old woman who should have the age written in her face and eyes. It doesnīt look like it in Amandaīs case. I like her when she acts a little crazy, smiles or makes some unusual stuff. She is probably a very good comedian so thatīs maybe the reason why she doesnīt fit me here.
I hope I didnīt make anyone angry, but this is the way I see it and the only problem why I canīt call this show "good" instead of "great". :)

SundaySusans
January 6th, 2009, 02:15 PM
I loved it!

dasNdanger
January 6th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I don't want to read too many spoilers as I haven't seen the ep, but I was surprised from the little I know that Bigfoot isn't even mentioned in this ep. Does anyone know his fate??


das

Linda06
January 6th, 2009, 03:00 PM
Watched it tonight and loved it.....But

I HATE CLIFFHANGERS:mckay: :p

So when is the next season coming :D I'm not impatient or anything :p

LizzieAnne
January 6th, 2009, 03:02 PM
I've just realised..did they mention the big guy? Is he still lying at deaths door? :(

dipsofjazz
January 6th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I've just realised..did they mention the big guy? Is he still lying at deaths door? :(

:( He wasn't mentioned at all in this episode.

LizzieAnne
January 6th, 2009, 03:25 PM
:( He wasn't mentioned at all in this episode.

That's a bit odd but part of the cliffhanger I suppose. Still, if they were going to kill him off they would have done it for the effect. I think it's good news then. :)

Amalthea
January 6th, 2009, 03:48 PM
I'm trying desperately not to read anything... but was this episode aired early or what? I thought it wasn't on TV until Friday?

atlantis_babe34
January 6th, 2009, 04:29 PM
*does a dance*

What a awesome end to the season! Totaly suprised at Ashley's power! Loved Tesla. I missed him after the five. He has to be my Favorite:D Great epsiode can't wait till season 2:D

I thought John was fantastic in this espidoe. He's starting to grow on me heaps.:D:D

RealmOfX
January 6th, 2009, 04:58 PM
I'm trying desperately not to read anything... but was this episode aired early or what? I thought it wasn't on TV until Friday?

It aired on Monday in the UK.

Stick to your guns and don't spoiler yourself, it will be well worth the wait!!

Amalthea
January 6th, 2009, 07:54 PM
It aired on Monday in the UK.

Stick to your guns and don't spoiler yourself, it will be well worth the wait!!

Oooooh, I getcha! Thanks! *resists the spoilers*

Mousie
January 7th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Re the no mention of BF. Whilst it might seem odd I can understand it from a timescale perspective. I'm sure the Cabal lady said at one point that they had Ashley and Henry in their clutches for a day so really Revelations 1 & 2 doesn't cover that large a time frame.

The majority of the episode Helen was either trying to get into the labyrinth or going through the trails so she simply may not have had time to check on him in any way. It's only towards the end of the ep that they where back at the Sanctuary and she immediately had Ashley collapsing on her and had to deal with that and then started working on the blood with Tesla.

It seems like it wouldn't have taken very long for her to add a line when they where working on the blood like "the Big guy doesn't have long so we need to get a cure urgently" but given all that happened in those last few minutes I really don't think they had the time to include it. It may be that they did have something but it had to be cut.

I wonder if he has a proper name. We have heard Will and some of the others call him Big Guy or the big guy (the second usually when they are asking about him, not to his face) but I can't see Helen calling him that. Maybe his name is unprenouncable but has he picked a regular name for himself?

atlantis_babe34
January 7th, 2009, 12:26 AM
like... bob?:P

kes
January 7th, 2009, 01:50 AM
Shame they didnt show the Big Guy.Helen could've had a comp screen in the lab with an image of him. Like the security camera from the isolation chamber.

starlover
January 7th, 2009, 02:45 AM
like... bob?:P

:lol: ...Bob the bigfoot.

But I agree with Mousie I don't think there was really time to show him, to be honest, I didn't even thought about him till I came online and several people missed him:o. I think/hope he is going to be okay in the end...but we have to wait a very long time before we know that:mckay:

I am curious how Ashley went so fast to the other side...what did they do to her?!?!

AvatarIII
January 7th, 2009, 03:02 AM
:lol: ...Bob the bigfoot.

But I agree with Mousie I don't think there was really time to show him, to be honest, I didn't even thought about him till I came online and several people missed him:o. I think/hope he is going to be okay in the end...but we have to wait a very long time before we know that:mckay:

I am curious how Ashley went so fast to the other side...what did they do to her?!?!

my theory is a refined version of the scarab mind control

as for bigfoot. we didn't need to see him, his condition is unchanged, most of the ep happened away from the sanctuary, so there wasn't really the opportunity, and the fact he is still uncured is just one more thing to anticipate for season 2

kes
January 7th, 2009, 03:04 AM
Looking by how fast she took the blood, it appears to me, her ability is a little better then John's. Possibly because of the mix Helen/John. it would be cool if she was stronger then him.

Mousie
January 7th, 2009, 03:16 AM
I think it's some sort of control and that it's not voluntary on her part, I know she's annoyed with Helen for not telling her about her father and she may well be worried that she will inherit her fathers traits, including going pshyco, but I don't see her willingly turning against Helen. The Cabal could have played on John being a killer and offered her a way to cure or prevent that happening but I just don't see it.

When Ash woke up there where 2 marks on her arm where they had done stuff so I think that they inserted some sort or tech device whilst also doing some conditioning on her whilst she was unconcious. The drink they gave her must of contained some sort of activating chemical that activated preprogrammed commands.

I think that she is definately under Cabal control now, but that will be the main theme of season 2, the Sanctuary guys trying to get Ashley back and stop/fight the outbreak of the virus.

jasminaGo
January 7th, 2009, 03:19 AM
:eek: Is season 2 starting yet?!?!

That was a perfect finale. It was great to see The Five back together, or to be more exact The Four and a quarter plus the new guy. :p The interactions between them were simply stunning. The heart to heart John and Watson had about the past, all the Helen/Tesla sparks, how devastated they all were when Watson died. Of course there was all the snark between the boys, and Helen playing the referee. I wonder if that's how it's always been. They're all alpha male personalities (I guess so was Griffin if his granddaughter's attitude is anything to go by), so there's gotta be some tension, and Helen looked well practiced in stopping them with just one word.

It was a little predictable that Ashley would switch sides, especially since the evil lady (Dana?) told her that she would help them against Helen and then they just decided to kill her. However I did not see the transporting happening, so that was very cool.

Can't wait for the next part. :D

LiliJ
January 7th, 2009, 04:48 AM
WHY did I not discover this thread sooner?! I've been dying to discuss this ep, but now I'm all whacked out on painkillers (have a killer chest infection) so I'm not going to provide much coherant conversation...

But WOW! SUCH a good ep!

Helen:
*disappointed* that we didn't get to see her powers - I too think that she must have got some powers besides immortality. I think they should be subtle and graceful though, and perhaps not we would normally see as "powers" - perhaps something like empathy?

Tesla:
Hehe, more Tesla! Love him, and it's great that he ended up at the Sanctuary - I can see that causing some sparks at the beginning of S2... I do feel slightly sorry for him, though, that Helen doesn't share his feelings *huggles Tesla*

Will:
Shirtless. Need I say more?

Clara:
Nice confidence issues - I can see her and Will hitting it off really well... I love her spark as well, and her shady past. Nice new character - hope to see more of her. But does the extreme eye make-up annoy only me?! Being a brunnette, I hate blue eyeshadow with brown eyes...

Ashley:
ARGH!!!!! *cries* Noooo, she has to come back! She's one of my favourite characters and... and... she just can't be evil! *pouts*

Watson:
Can't believe he died! He was the only character with an immaculate English accent! *cry*

Henry:
Yay! Great ep for his character! I especially loved the scenes in the lab... Very steamy and yet full of anxiety for Henry. And the shirtless ranting scene... Concluded very nicely with a sweet "awesome" from Henry! Definately my new favourite word.

Btw is it Kabal or Cabal?

Can't wait for S2!

atlantis_babe34
January 7th, 2009, 05:44 AM
:lol: ...Bob the bigfoot.

But I agree with Mousie I don't think there was really time to show him, to be honest, I didn't even thought about him till I came online and several people missed him:o. I think/hope he is going to be okay in the end...but we have to wait a very long time before we know that:mckay:

I am curious how Ashley went so fast to the other side...what did they do to her?!?!

Bob's a cool name:P

has season 2 even got an airing date?

Mousie
January 7th, 2009, 06:03 AM
Btw is it Kabal or Cabal?



That's a good question, people have been using both forms so I've just looked in the dictionary at it's Cabal. If you type Kabal in, it's not recognised and offers Cabal instead.

Main Entry: 1ca·bal
Pronunciation: \k?-?bäl, -?bal\
Function: noun
Etymology: French cabale cabala, intrigue, cabal, from Medieval Latin cabbala cabala, from Late Hebrew qabb?l?h, literally, received (lore)
Date: 1614
1: the artifices and intrigues of a group of persons secretly united in a plot (as to overturn a government) ; also : a group engaged in such artifices and intrigues

starlover
January 7th, 2009, 06:10 AM
my theory is a refined version of the scarab mind control

as for bigfoot. we didn't need to see him, his condition is unchanged, most of the ep happened away from the sanctuary, so there wasn't really the opportunity, and the fact he is still uncured is just one more thing to anticipate for season 2

I thought that first as well, but all those patches Ashley had on her make me doubt it...I almost think they've done something else to her...she also looked in a way different in that last scene.
I do want to know exactly what they've done to her, in a way I can't believe its that scarab/bug thing. They must have used better ways because it was her...even with Will and Helen's father and that bug they knew better I think if that was implanted in Ashley she would have warned the others.

We just have to wait a few months before we know more about Bigfoot...

LiliJ
January 7th, 2009, 11:30 AM
I'm betting it was the drink. And Dana said "there should have been adequate cell penetration by now" (or another word similar to "penetration" - it was two days ago!), so probably a chemical introduced into her system by mitosis or something that enhances her powers. Btw I reckon her powers (the teleporting) are directly linked to the violence she feels - remember Druitt aluding to it in "The Five"? It's what drove him to attack all those women. So I'm betting the Cabal used that to their advantage and possibly added some extra drugs into the drink to make her docile and obediant. Maybe also using brainwashing or behavioural triggers while she was unconcious (think River from Serenity).

...

Have I thought about this too much...?! :P:D

And I never realised that Cabal was a real term. Cool! :)

EDIT: Helen used her own blood in Revelations 1 on Bigfoot to see if the Source Blood would work. If memory serves. So I assume he's ok.

Pandora's_Box
January 7th, 2009, 11:46 AM
I'm betting it was the drink. And Dana said "there should have been adequate cell penetration by now" (or another word similar to "penetration" - it was two days ago!), so probably a chemical introduced into her system by mitosis or something that enhances her powers.

Eukaryotic cellular genome replication?

:: scratches head ::



Btw I reckon her powers (the teleporting) are directly linked to the violence she feels - remember Druitt aluding to it in "The Five"? It's what drove him to attack all those women. So I'm betting the Cabal used that to their advantage and possibly added some extra drugs into the drink to make her docile and obediant.

That's what I'm thinking too, that Druitt's psychosis had something to do with his ability and is now affecting Ashley and the Cabal are using it to their advantage.

This would imply that the Cabal knows a heck of a lot about Druitt and The Five. How?

LiliJ
January 7th, 2009, 11:49 AM
Eukaryotic cellular genome replication?

:: scratches head ::

Ummm... Cheese?



That's what I'm thinking too, that Druitt's psychosis had something to do with his ability and is now affecting Ashley and the Cabal are using it to their advantage.

This would imply that the Cabal knows a heck of a lot about Druitt and The Five. How?

How indeed? Possible S2 ep plotlines! But I reckon it's through Helen's father - they did have control of him for a long time and goodness knows what they found out. They certainly knew about the Source Blood...

starlover
January 7th, 2009, 11:56 AM
Eukaryotic cellular genome replication?

:: scratches head ::


May I scratch my head too...

I am really bad at ...that stuff...I did finish biology in high school...but that's all:P

If I understand it correctly something was inserted in Ashley that replicated(with a lack of other words...because mitose means that cells are multiplying, right?) and it took over her system.

Am I close to it or not:confused:



That's what I'm thinking too, that Druitt's psychosis had something to do with his ability and is now affecting Ashley and the Cabal are using it to their advantage.

This would imply that the Cabal knows a heck of a lot about Druitt and The Five. How?

I thought that as well, and because of the blood etc Druitt got from Helen his psychosis went better...after every jump he takes it gets worse again(or at least before)

If the Cabal indeed knows so much about them I am curious how they all found it out and what they exactly want...etc

Pandora's_Box
January 7th, 2009, 12:02 PM
If I understand it correctly something was inserted in Ashley that replicated(with a lack of other words...because mitose means that cells are multiplying, right?) and it took over her system.

Am I close to it or not:confused:

Pretty close. Mitosis refers to the replication of the chromosomes within a eukaryotic cell. If you're referring to the actual physical division of a cell into two identical cells, then you're talking about cytokinesis.

Did they use that word (mitosis) when talking about what they'd done to Ashley?



I thought that as well, and because of the blood etc Druitt got from Helen his psychosis went better...after every jump he takes it gets worse again(or at least before)

If the Cabal indeed knows so much about them I am curious how they all found it out and what they exactly want...etc

LiliJ thinks they could have found it all out from Helen's father. I think that's highly plausible.

LiliJ
January 7th, 2009, 12:07 PM
Did they use that word (mitosis) when talking about what they'd done to Ashley?

No... I think I was thinking about osmosis.


LiliJ thinks they could have found it all out from Helen's father. I think that's highly plausible.

Me too:P. Not that I like agreeing with YOU, seeing as you intend to fight me for Henry *narrows eyes*...

Pandora's_Box
January 7th, 2009, 12:18 PM
No... I think I was thinking about osmosis.

That makes more sense....sort of...



Me too:P. Not that I like agreeing with YOU, seeing as you intend to fight me for Henry *narrows eyes*...

No body likes agreeing with me. They're just forced to do it because I'm always right. :p

LiliJ
January 7th, 2009, 12:45 PM
No body likes agreeing with me. They're just forced to do it because I'm always right. :p

Not right about getting Henry... *grumbles*

:P

starlover
January 7th, 2009, 01:12 PM
Pretty close. Mitosis refers to the replication of the chromosomes within a eukaryotic cell. If you're referring to the actual physical division of a cell into two identical cells, then you're talking about cytokinesis.

Did they use that word (mitosis) when talking about what they'd done to Ashley?

I thught cytokinesis was that the cytoplasma of the cell is parting, and mitose is the whole division/replication process?

Because you have mitosis and meiosis....if I recall correctly...

Sorry if I translate it bad, but I'm not a native speaker...certainly not with this stuff!

I don't think they used that word. I think I could remember it if they did.



LiliJ thinks they could have found it all out from Helen's father. I think that's highly plausible.

It is indeed.


No... I think I was thinking about osmosis.


osmosis is something else entirely...because that doesn't has to do with the cells replicating(or whatever) but it makes more sense that Ashley had to drink...the stuff they put in her would have been more spread over her system.


Oye...my head...somebody pass me the aspirin;):P



Me too:P. Not that I like agreeing with YOU, seeing as you intend to fight me for Henry *narrows eyes*...

You two fight over Henry..I'll take Will;) :D

Pandora's_Box
January 7th, 2009, 01:30 PM
I thught cytokinesis was that the cytoplasma of the cell is parting, and mitose is the whole division/replication process?

Cytokinesis is the physical division of the cytoplasm, the organelles within the cell, the nucleus, and the cell membrane. Whereas mitosis refers specifically to the division of the genome (the chromosomes). Together they're a part of the cell's cycle leading to replication and division.



Because you have mitosis and meiosis....if I recall correctly...

Meiosis refers to the reductional division of the genome in gametes and such.



osmosis is something else entirely...because that doesn't has to do with the cells replicating(or whatever) but it makes more sense that Ashley had to drink...the stuff they put in her would have been more spread over her system.

It makes more sense for the simple reason that if what the Cabal gave her was some sort of solution that made it's way into her bloodstream and was able to pass through the cells' membranes, then it would explain the "adequate cellular penetration" line.



Oye...my head...somebody pass me the aspirin;):P

:: tosses over a fistful ::

starlover
January 7th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Thanks for the right explanation! See...I shouldn't have been drooling at my teacher last year but actually listening to what he said...oh wait...I did graduate...so does it really matter?!?!?:P

*grabs aspirin* Thanks, that should help. Now I still need to write this paper:rolleyes:

Also do many people in here think that Will is somehow family of Watson, because in a way they did had the same ability!

pinielf
January 7th, 2009, 03:24 PM
That was great wan is season 2?

bossluna
January 7th, 2009, 04:14 PM
ummm...excuse me Professor Pandora...quick question ma'am...

does this mean that if LiliJ and Henry were to ever....umm...what's the word...ah! get it on...

would their child have green eyes like Henry's when he semi-changed into werewolf...and would their offspring be...

hirsute?

LiliJ
January 8th, 2009, 03:26 AM
osmosis is something else entirely...because that doesn't has to do with the cells replicating(or whatever) but it makes more sense that Ashley had to drink...the stuff they put in her would have been more spread over her system.

Yep, osmosis is what I was thinking of. I took biology a while ago, but I still remember some of the processes and terms (though not neccersarily in the right order, lol!).


You two fight over Henry..I'll take Will;) :D

You can have him! I only really like him with his top off (:P:D) - he's too perfect and too obvious for me. Henry all the way! :D

Btw, if anyone has any Tesla caps PLEASE post them on the artwork thread here: http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=62714, as I am trying to make a sig for a friend but am sadly lacking in caps! :S

dipsofjazz
January 8th, 2009, 07:03 AM
That was great wan is season 2?

I don't think we know yet when s2 will be aired, although I suppose it could be in October, like s1.

Whenever it does air, it's far too long to wait, as far as I'm concerned. :D

pinielf
January 8th, 2009, 07:07 AM
I don't think we know yet when s2 will be aired, although I suppose it could be in October, like s1.

Whenever it does air, it's far too long to wait, as far as I'm concerned. :D


Indeed

kes
January 8th, 2009, 07:45 AM
Watson spoilers

On my 2nd viewing I noticed something. When Watson is dieing he looks at John then at Tesla and says to Helen: "Your choice."

Am I hearing things or did Watson kinda gave Helen, the go ahead and forgive him (John)?
kinda like sure he is JtR but its still better ten the Vamp LOL

jasminaGo
January 8th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Watson spoilers

On my 2nd viewing I noticed something. When Watson is dieing he looks at John then at Tesla and says to Helen: "Your choice."

Am I hearing things or did Watson kinda gave Helen, the go ahead and forgive him (John)?
kinda like sure he is JtR but its still better ten the Vamp LOL

I think

he said "You I shall miss"

Pandora's_Box
January 8th, 2009, 08:28 AM
ummm...excuse me Professor Pandora...quick question ma'am...

does this mean that if LiliJ and Henry were to ever....umm...what's the word...ah! get it on...

would their child have green eyes like Henry's when he semi-changed into werewolf...and would their offspring be...

hirsute?

:: pushes glasses up bridge of nose ::

Ahem....

First off, there will be no "getting it on" with Henry unless I am the one doing the getting.

Secondly, I guess it would first depend on whether or not 2 organisms of different, albeit similar, species can breed viable offspring. I know the fantasy genre is full of conflicting theories; some say yes, some say no, some say only with a magical fairy, a full moon, and a bucket of chicken feathers present (okay, I made that one up, but you get my point).

Thirdly, and this is purely conjecture, if the offspring were viable, I don't see he/she would be any more hairy than any normal human. At least when in human form. If it were to possess Henry's abnormality then things have the potential to get very hairy. ;)

As for the eyes, depends on the mother's eye colour, but I doubt the colour of Henry's alter-ego would play a role in determining the "human" colour.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand........I feel like more of a geek now than I did 5 minutes ago. Thanks for that.

kes
January 8th, 2009, 08:48 AM
I think

he said "You I shall miss"

Could be. I had to rewind to hear and maybe I heared what I wanted LOL

I'm really digging Druitt. The actor is so freaking cool!

LiliJ
January 8th, 2009, 09:18 AM
ummm...excuse me Professor Pandora...quick question ma'am...

does this mean that if LiliJ and Henry were to ever....umm...what's the word...ah! get it on...

would their child have green eyes like Henry's when he semi-changed into werewolf...and would their offspring be...

hirsute?

Eye colour depends on dominant genes, and green eyes are subdominant. Most likey they would be brown, like mine! I'm not sure whether the kid would be a werewolf, or a witch, like me. Possibly a mix. Nice topic! :D:D

And Pandora is WRONG - Henry is MINE and she knows it, she just won't admit defeat.

PS: If our kid's a girl she'll be called Lycea. Because I think Lycan is Latin, or Greek or something for werewolf. And now I feel even geekier than Pandora...

Pandora's_Box
January 8th, 2009, 09:29 AM
And Pandora is WRONG - Henry is MINE and she knows it, she just won't admit defeat.

You're ill. I will allow you this delusional fantasy.......for now......



PS: If our kid's a girl she'll be called Lycea. Because I think Lycan is Latin, or Greek or something for werewolf. And now I feel even geekier than Pandora...

:: pushes glasses up bridge of nose....again...

Ahem...

Actually lycan is just a slang term used in the movie Underworld. Lycanthrope comes from two Greek words meaning wolf and human/man and is the "official" term.

LiliJ
January 8th, 2009, 09:31 AM
*grumbles* Damn, someone on Gateworld that's cleverer than me.

Sorry, but I do speak Latin, do YOU?! :P

And I'm not delusional! *am I sparkly elves?*

starlover
January 8th, 2009, 10:31 AM
*sigh* ;)

Geek wars in here?:P

You can both share Henry and erm..Tesla...Each a week and than you trade...etc;)

As for geeky...can I start with speaking another language as well*grins* ...:P

That brings me to Helen, do you think she was a very geeky kid/teen? or wasn't it like that in that time? With the victorian time and all, women didn't had the same rights as they have now...
lame way to get my post on topic again

mr_kennedy
January 8th, 2009, 02:20 PM
the last two episodes were fantastic 9.9/10

loved the challenges, gregory must have really hated tesla :D, sucks the sherlock holmes died :(

one thing ive wondered is did ashley have latent teleportation? and the cabal helped bring it out, or was her power retarded aging and the cabal modified her blood so she could access both

Skydiver
January 9th, 2009, 08:04 PM
my question about ashley - as cliched as 'turning the kid against the mother' is....was that even her? or was it some sort of clone or something?

~Sarah~
January 9th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Okay it just ended, and while that was totally coming.... Omg, from a mile away... I have to say I absolutely just adore Tesla.... he's such the little boy....
I also have to say that this I believe was the best episode of the season....
Definately two thumbs up...
Okay now running back to catch up.....

Oh, and Sky, I was totally thinking the same thing....
how do we really know that was Ashley.... It just seemed to easy....

Skydiver
January 9th, 2009, 08:16 PM
i'm sure helen would never be so crude, but there were moments between teh 'boys' that i wanted to say 'oh, hand over a ruler and let them settle it once and for all' :D

the bicker is fun

i just felt like i was watching part 2 of 3

lupinskitten
January 9th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Okay, this will be my first proper post on the forum, so hello! I got stuck on Sanctuary, and then started watching SG-1 over the last couple of months, so I thought it was high time to join the forums at GateWorld. ;)

My thoughts... (repeated from a livejournal group, but hey, I figure there isn't to much crossover)

I'm glad I did not download this episode early, since it allowed me to watch it in all its unfolding glory... even with commercials. ;)

I did not go in totally spoiler free, sadly, but that didn't diminish the enjoyment factor for me.

I think what was the most fabulous about this episode was all the inner-quibbling. The little digs the men kept shooting at one another as if to remind one another that yes, this indeed a contest -- either to prove themselves or to impress Helen, who I get the feeling is not all that impressed with any of them by now. Been there, done that. What made it so good in my opinion was because beneath the lightness of it was depth and humanity -- Watson's increasing frustration, John's guilt, and even Tesla I think is desperately searching for someone to care about him.

There were some excellent scenes -- Watson and John in particular. I felt bad for John because you can tell that his past is eating him up inside. Watson seemed more angry about the betrayal of his best friend (which is understandable) than anything else. I don't think it was a knock to his intelligence as much as a jab to the heart that John would do such terrible things. Even Tesla seems to regard John with a certain amount of suspicion and disdain -- that's ironic, when you consider he's the vampire.

I felt so bad for Helen when Watson died -- she was heartbroken. The others were impacted too, but his sudden mortality hit her hard. It was an interesting twist, having him age so rapidly. I'm just sorry he is gone, because he was a fantastic character. (I'm still wondering why he has so much in common with Will, but I suppose a father/son relationship would be too cliched at this point? Or not. It would certainly explain a lot.)

The tasks were exceptionally cool. Not much else I can say about them. Combining John and Watson's was clever. Helen's had a nice twist. Tesla's was bloody hard! ;) Claire's might have been the easiest if she hadn't freaked out -- although getting Will to take most of his clothes of probably was not needed in order for her to succeed. LOL

LOVED the snark in this episode. Adored it. Tesla is so quotable, I probably will not shut up about him for days. He is so fantastic. All of them are, actually...

... what will happen with Ashley? I don't know, but I totally could have told her not to drink that... whatever it was.

SundaySusans
January 9th, 2009, 08:42 PM
Could be. I had to rewind to hear and maybe I heared what I wanted LOL

I'm really digging Druitt. The actor is so freaking cool!

This episode added so many things to his character. Loved it. Helen and Druitt are my favorites.

EvenstarSRV
January 9th, 2009, 09:15 PM
i'm sure helen would never be so crude, but there were moments between teh 'boys' that i wanted to say 'oh, hand over a ruler and let them settle it once and for all' :D

the bicker is fun

i just felt like i was watching part 2 of 3

Hehe, watching Druitt, Tesla, and Watson all squabbling between each other was quite fun. They must have driven Helen mad when they were all at Oxford.

It did kinda feel like part 2 of a three-parter, but I found it enjoyable nonetheless, especially the tests for the Five and the final scenes from when Druitt rescues Ashley and Henry to the end.

Ashley stealing the Source blood at the end was a bit predictable, but I didn't expect her to get Druitt's transporting powers, which I guess the cabal have brought out in her. Makes me wonder if she has Helen's longevity as well. I'm really looking forward to a confrontation between mother and daughter after this.

I'm guessing the Cabal have put Ashley under their control with the parasite from Warriors, but it'll be interesting to see how Helen and the others track her down to remove it since she can teleport now.

Kudos to the cast and crew for a good ending to a very enjoyable first season. At least I'll have BSG to tide me over until season 2 starts. :)

Rocky89
January 9th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Before I talk about the last episode of Sanctuary, I got to tell y'all, I was so excited to see the Lost Webisodes on TMN, I've never seen them before, so it was awesome to see them on the first time on the big screen. But the best part of the whole webisode premiere, it was that extra special treat we got, Amanda appeared on screen and gave the intro to part 1 and 2 of the webisodes :). I was so happy to see her face :), she was in a good looking white house, and she gave the intro to the Lost Webisodes :). I really wasn't expecting that, that was a big bonus :). And to think I could have been working tonight, I had to call in sick to see the finale, and if I hadn't I'd have missed Amanda. :)

HOLY COW I saw the final episode of Sanctuary, Revelations, Part 2 and WOW, talk about a whopper of a season finale, and cliffhanger :eek:. The twists and turns and surprise were brilliant. It starts "Previously on Sanctuary" with Helen saying the words yet again ;), and it showed clips of Revelations, Part 1, and after the clips, we find the team in where the city was destroyed, they start talking about what could have happened to the city and they come up with that (I think) that what happened to the city happened 100 years ago, and I liked the little tension between John and Watson, and I loved how Helen how to put them in their place :D. She's the boss ;). We go back to the Cabal building and find Henry and Ashely still captive, and the evil boss lady tells Ashely how she's going to help them. Then it cuts to the opening credits.

After the credits, we find the team still looking for a way in, and Druitt appears to Helen and tells her that he can't find another way in, Helen thinks they should go and come back tomorrow, but Watson believes there has to be way into the labyrinth. I love how Will and Watson were able to put their brilliant minds to work to try and discover how to get in, I was particularly impressed with how they were able to reconstructed the old city using their minds, and I like how it was the same image. Great minds think alike ;). We get back to Henry, and the doctors are poking him with needles, trying to get him to change, they start asking him questions, and explain what their intentions are with him, I thought Ryan was very good in those torture scenes very well. We find Ashely talking to the boss lady and she offers Ashely a drink, she checks to see if it's bottle is rigged or something, than she talks with Ashely about how there is a war going on with humans and abnormals, and her mom is on the wrong side.

We get back to the team and we find them moving rocks that lead to a secret underground stairway. They start to climb down and we they get down, they find Nikola Tesla down there waiting for them, he begins to tell them of how he got down there and how he needs their help to find the source blood for his own reasons, but he decides to put their needs ahead first. He lights a bunch of lamps simply by touching one and from there he joins the group. They find a round table and Helen realizes her farther made it and that each of them need to be there to find there source blood because one alone couldn't find it without the other four. They spilt off into specified teams, Helen and Nikola, he thought it was because Helen's farther thought they'd make a good couple, John and Watson and Will and Clara. I really liked how worried John was about Helen going with him, and I liked how he warned Nikola what would happen if he let anything happen to her, and I love Helen's adolescent line. I forget the order they get to their tests, so bare with me, Helen and Nikola get to a room hall with-- I forget what they're called, and he's scared to go in to get the key because he knows he'll get zapped, but he does it anyway and gets zapped. John and Watson find their tests, and it's two rooms that are sealed, and one door says "Lies truth" the other says "Truth lies" they begin to decide which is the right door, because if John teleports through the wrong one, he could end up in solid rock. And Will and Clara find a room with the key at the other end, but they can't get across because the floor starts to collapse.

At the Cabal building, Ashely refuses to tell them anything, and demands to know what's going on with Henry, she boss lady shows him on a screen, and that he's safe, but when we cut to "real time" Henry is screaming in pain and his face begins to change into a wolfs, be he's able to fight the transformation, the doctor explains to him that he's been off the pills for a day now and that he can't keep fighting it, and he tells him that he just wants Henry to change so he can be studied. Nikola finally gets through the test and is able to get the key, and says to Helen that her farther really didn't like him :D, then he starts walking back to her, with Will and Clara, Will realizes that she needs to become invisible to get the key, but she's scared, so of course she makes Will take off his clothes too. John and Watson are still trying to figure it out, and as they try, they start arguing about what happened between them in the past, and that's when Watson figures out which door is the right one, so John teleports them both inside, and that's where they find the key. John doesn't teleports them both back outside and the second door opens to give them the other key. I loved Johns joke, I thought these two did their scenes very well. Once Nikola gets to Helen he almost collapses from exhaustion, and he tells that he saw that she was really concerned about him, and that she likes him, but she reminds him that he tried to kill her, but he explains that everyone hurts the people they love.

Back with the Cabal, I can't remember a bit, but Ashely starts to get dizzy and and she eventually faints, then Helen and Nikola find Helen's test and when she walks into the room, Nikola gets locked out, leaving her in there alone. She looks at a description on a table and it's like a math puzzle, we quickly cut back to Henry, who's locked in a room, but he's able to break out using his strength, we cut back to Helen and using her smarts, she's able to figure out the riddle and get they key :samanime20:. She gets out and her and Nikola head back to the entrance, and after some trouble, Clara is finally able to get the key, but the floor starts to collapse even more, which causes a cave in, and I loved Helen's bloody hell line. Once their all safe and back together, they put all 5 keys in the proper locks, and a wall opens to reveal the source blood. They start to smile and such, but poor Watson collapses and when they go to him, he's an old man, he tells them that the machine keeping him alive has failed and that he knew it would happen. He tells everyone how he feels about them and he tells Will that there's something they've missed, and that he must figure it out. We find Ashely waking up on a moving stretcher and Henry is moving her, she gets up and Henry gives her a gun, and they had to a room and Ashely calls Helen, while Henry downloads a copy of the info they need, after he does, the bad guys come in with guns, Henry doesn't know what to do, but Ashely tells him to wait another second, then bang, John teleports in, grabs them and teleports them all back to the Sanctuary with all the others. But soon after Ashely faints, and Helen quickly tells John to get her to the infirmary, he teleports there, and Helen asks Henry what happened, but he tells them they were apart most of the time.

It's night now, and Clara finds will on the roof overlooking the city, and he talks to her and asks her stay, but she tells them that she doesn't think she can, meanwhile, we find Helen checking on Ashely, and John is there also watching too, he asks to stay, and Helen says it's OK, and she also thanks him, they close the door on in a wicked way, Ashely opens her eyes. On the roof, Will keeps think about what Watson said, and he gets freaked out and goes to look for Helen, meanwhile, Helen and Nikola are in the lab, and the source blood disappears, Helen gets nervous, and we find Henry trying to download the data, but it's all fake. Helen runs up to John with a gun and she accuses of taking the blood, that's when Will runs in and say somethings not right, then she gets a call from Henry about the data and then she checks on Ashely via computer screen, then BOOM I love this shot, they all look out a window and the camera quickly pans from them, from the Sanctuary, and around the earth, where we find Ashely and that boss lady together. The music was so tense, it was perfect with what was going on, and the look on Ashely's face was wicked, I wasn't at the edge of my seat, I was standing up :eek:. The BOOM the screen goes blank and those freaky words come up: "To Be Continued". I watched the ending credits, and I couldn't believe it, that was the end of Sanctuary season 1.

WOW, WOW, WOW! This has been a phenomenal season, and an even more phenomenal journey for the cast and crew. The effects, the stories, and most of all, the acting was all outstanding. The pilot surpassed my expectations, and so did Requiem. There were some ups and downs, but more ups than downs. I'd like to thank everyone involved for all their long and hard work, it wasn't easy, but they stuck to it, and something truly amazing and unique came out of it. Let's hear it for them. :jack_new_anime07:

Of course I have to thank Amanda, because she's largely responsible for it all. I honest to God can't thank of anything new to say, so I'm gonna have to repeat myself-- a lot :D.

Thank you Amanda for taking a massive leap of faith, and moving on into her new venture. Sanctuary would have died before it even started. And like I've said many times, I'm glad and proud Amanda choose Sanctuary, IMO it was the right move. Atlantis was done, and if Amanda had stayed, she would, like she's said "killed" Sanctuary right there and then, she'd be out of work along with the other Atlantis cast, and she'd have missed out on the spot light for Sanctuary, none of all the those trips and what not to promote show would have happened, and like she said, she would have killed a potentially great franchise, and put those people out of work too.

She made a decision, it was very hard, and everything that followed afterwards was hard, but it was the right decision, it all worked out for her, all her long and hard work paid off, the shows getting a second season, and it's because she was determined, dedicated, she wasn't lazy, and didn't give up. Amanda took control of herself, stepped away from her safety net and moved on into the unknown, and now thanks herself, she has the opportunity to make something of Helen, and whatever that something is, it'll be up to Amanda. But this time it was harder, she moved into her own show, her own studio, she took on the roles of lead actress, and Ex. Producer and much more, and no matter how hard it got, she got through, and she did it for all the right reasons. Not money, not fame, not the goal of most celebs, but she did it because she knew it was right, and it was the most beneficial for a lot of people. And that's the Amanda we all know and love and that's what makes her a winner :). Thank you Amanda for all that, and thank you for the best gift of all, for being you :). Let's hear it for her. :sam59:


Here's to an amazing first season, and here's to season 2 http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/cheer.gif

(((((SEASON 2)))))http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif

majorsal
January 9th, 2009, 11:17 PM
random observations -


i wish watson wouldn't have died! :(

ashley's going to get a spanking. :p

speaking of ash; was she zipping around/teleportig like her dad?

NOT ENOUGH HELEN! :(

so it looks like helen doesn't have a power, just the longevity. not sure if i'm disappointed or glad.

very glad tesla's still alive.

i have to say that the five are VERY interesting. i'd watch a show just with them. :D

looks like the cabal brainwashed ashley AND maybe ignited some of her father's gifts???

no matter what the cabal did to henry, he's still able to control his urges. or so i hope.

i felt sorry for john. he's really a very interesting character, played wonderfully by chris. ;)

i wonder if we'll ever meet moriarty? i mean, if there's a sherlock holmes... :p

so the cabal's got the blood. i spit on the faces of the cabal! :p


now, seeing as there's a LOT of replies already, i'll let it be with this post and then catch up tomorrow.



revelations part 2 rocked!! :D

atlantis_babe34
January 10th, 2009, 01:09 AM
*sigh*

Geek wars in here?

You can both share Henry and erm..Tesla...Each a week and than you trade...etc;)

As for geeky...can I start with speaking another language as well*grins* ...:P

That brings me to Helen, do you think she was a very geeky kid/teen? or wasn't it like that in that time? With the victorian time and all, women didn't had the same rights as they have now...
lame way to get my post on topic again

*Cough*.. they Share Tesla! i think not;):D


the last two episodes were fantastic 9.9/10

loved the challenges, george must have really hated tesla :D, sucks the sherlock holmes died :(

one thing ive wondered is did ashley have latent teleportation? and the cabal helped bring it out, or was her power retarded aging and the cabal modified her blood so she could access both

I assumed that the Cabel brought it out and it was Dormant in her Genes... I think you Mean Gergory.. instead of George;):)


Okay, this will be my first proper post on the forum, so hello! I got stuck on Sanctuary, and then started watching SG-1 over the last couple of months, so I thought it was high time to join the forums at GateWorld. ;)

My thoughts... (repeated from a livejournal group, but hey, I figure there isn't to much crossover)

I'm glad I did not download this episode early, since it allowed me to watch it in all its unfolding glory... even with commercials.

I did not go in totally spoiler free, sadly, but that didn't diminish the enjoyment factor for me.

I think what was the most fabulous about this episode was all the inner-quibbling. The little digs the men kept shooting at one another as if to remind one another that yes, this indeed a contest -- either to prove themselves or to impress Helen, who I get the feeling is not all that impressed with any of them by now. Been there, done that. What made it so good in my opinion was because beneath the lightness of it was depth and humanity -- Watson's increasing frustration, John's guilt, and even Tesla I think is desperately searching for someone to care about him.

There were some excellent scenes -- Watson and John in particular. I felt bad for John because you can tell that his past is eating him up inside. Watson seemed more angry about the betrayal of his best friend (which is understandable) than anything else. I don't think it was a knock to his intelligence as much as a jab to the heart that John would do such terrible things. Even Tesla seems to regard John with a certain amount of suspicion and disdain -- that's ironic, when you consider he's the vampire.

I felt so bad for Helen when Watson died -- she was heartbroken. The others were impacted too, but his sudden mortality hit her hard. It was an interesting twist, having him age so rapidly. I'm just sorry he is gone, because he was a fantastic character. (I'm still wondering why he has so much in common with Will, but I suppose a father/son relationship would be too cliched at this point? Or not. It would certainly explain a lot.)

The tasks were exceptionally cool. Not much else I can say about them. Combining John and Watson's was clever. Helen's had a nice twist. Tesla's was bloody hard! ;) Claire's might have been the easiest if she hadn't freaked out -- although getting Will to take most of his clothes of probably was not needed in order for her to succeed. LOL

LOVED the snark in this episode. Adored it. Tesla is so quotable, I probably will not shut up about him for days. He is so fantastic. All of them are, actually...

... what will happen with Ashley? I don't know, but I totally could have told her not to drink that... whatever it was.

Welcome to the Fourm!:D


random observations -


i wish watson wouldn't have died!

ashley's going to get a spanking. :p

speaking of ash; was she zipping around/teleportig like her dad?

NOT ENOUGH HELEN! :(

so it looks like helen doesn't have a power, just the longevity. not sure if i'm disappointed or glad.

very glad tesla's still alive.

i have to say that the five are VERY interesting. i'd watch a show just with them. :D

looks like the cabal brainwashed ashley AND maybe ignited some of her father's gifts???

no matter what the cabal did to henry, he's still able to control his urges. or so i hope.

i felt sorry for john. he's really a very interesting character, played wonderfully by chris. ;)

i wonder if we'll ever meet moriarty? i mean, if there's a sherlock holmes... :p

so the cabal's got the blood. i spit on the faces of the cabal! :p


now, seeing as there's a LOT of replies already, i'll let it be with this post and then catch up tomorrow.



revelations part 2 rocked!! :D

I really liked Watson until he started and kept questioning John about the Ripper cases. I love John he's on of my Favorite characters i thought that was pretty mean.:(


To the bolded part: Mee to!:D

Sg Gato
January 10th, 2009, 10:03 AM
I felt the opposite. I enjoyed this episode very much, and SGA's finale not so much. But it's just a matter of what each individual prefers.

I very much enjoyed the tension between the character's while their were on their quest. I was extremely sad to see Watson died as I enjoyed the bantering/bickering between him and Druitt. And Tesla -- well he was so electricfying :D I have to admit that I am disappointed that the very intelligent Will did not understand the full meaning of word naked. He's just going to have to brush up on his word definitions and get it right the next time. I was heart broken for Helen when it appeared that Ashley has betrayed them. More importantly, I'm eager to learn more about Helen's past and how she became who she is today.

I'm so very much looking forward to season 2.

Amalthea
January 10th, 2009, 10:59 AM
Fantastic season finale! I have only one complaint: There isn't another episode next week! LOL

I can't help but wonder how Helen's dad set up all of those tricks. I guess the vampires must have helped him. I bet it was one of the last things they did actually, since I bet the Cabal followed him there and then tried to destroy the place 130 years ago to get to the source blood. Which, of course, they didn't.

Such a shame they killed Watson. And not just because Peter Wingfield makes me go thunk. I thought he was so interesting. I don't think Watson is necessarily Will's dad, though. There was certainly affinity there, I don't deny that, but that was Watson's gift- to become a smarty pants. Will's a natural smarty pants. Will's almost like the next evolution of humanity, which might explain why Helen was watching him.

I'm very glad Henry was able to keep control over himself. It's a good step forward for him in accepting his power. No doubt he'll be beating himself up over the whole Ashley thing though.

Poor screwed up in the head Ashley. I think the fact that she had many bandaids on her arm was to signify the many things they did to her, ie the brain washing and activation of her transportation ability. I still have to wonder if Helen somehow disabled that in Ashley when she was young since she never did it before. Of course, I don't think most people stand there and try to shift inter-dimensionally, so it's possible she could always do it and just didn't know. But I think the Cabal did it to her.

I'm not surprised the whole mission was a set up to get the vampire blood. The question, of course is why. If the Cabal wants to rid the world of abnormals, and the vampire blood makes abnormals, are they just going to kill the whole world?

And Bigfoot! Is he too far gone to come back? So many questions. I hate cliffhangers!! Any ETA on Season 2?

jckfan55
January 10th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Good episode. Watson will be missed. But I can see why they can't have all the members of the 5 hanging around all the time... Loved Tesla--good to see him back. Hope he makes a couple of appearances next season.

I don't really need to see invisible girl again.

Fave line: "Honestly. I'm surrounded by adolescents!" (closely followed by Tesla's about Helen's dad preferring H/T to H/J.) :D

like majorsal I always wish for more Helen.

oh, the cliffhanger. Let the Sanctuary (withdrawal) shakes begin. :D

EH-T
January 10th, 2009, 12:47 PM
has season 2 even got an airing date?

According to the SciFi website, it is July, 2009.


[QUOTE]Good episode. Watson will be missed. But I can see why they can't have all the members of the 5 hanging around all the time... Loved Tesla--good to see him back. Hope he makes a couple of appearances next season.

You know, the fact we think alike saves me a lot of typing! :) Very disappointed they killed off Watson. Excellent character, well played. Thought he and Helen had great rapport and loved his back and forth with John. Thought the "old" makeup on him was great (unlike in Sg1's Unending).

I also love Tesla and hope the character recurs often. He is also well played and has some great lines. Loved Helen's line about him being "an acquired taste".



I don't really need to see invisible girl again. Not a big fan of hers or the hints of nudity. I hope she does not become a regular. I could accept the odd appearance but the whining needs to be reduced.


Fave line: "Honestly. I'm surrounded by adolescents!" (closely followed by Tesla's about Helen's dad preferring H/T to H/J.) :D

Agreed!


like majorsal I always wish for more Helen. I thought there was a fair amount of Helen in this one and loved her interactions with the "adolescents" but one can never get enough of a good thing.


oh, the cliffhanger. Let the Sanctuary (withdrawal) shakes begin. :D[/

Good cliffhanger. I probably would have been unhappy with things ending like this if I didn't already know we are getting a second season.

I also liked Ashley going dark side. I think it will bring a lot to the character and has the potential for some fabulous interaction with Helen.

Not sure if I'm alone on this but I don't want John to become a good guy. I love the interaction between John and Helen when they are not on the same side. Don't want to lose that.

Also want to say what a great bonus the Canadian fans got last night. In addition to this wonderful episode, we got to see all the "lost" webisodes in two specials before the airing of the finale. Both were introduced by Amanda. Very cool! I especially enjoyed the second batch as I hadn't seen all of the webisodes yet.

EvenstarSRV
January 10th, 2009, 02:06 PM
I also liked Ashley going dark side. I think it will bring a lot to the character and has the potential for some fabulous interaction with Helen.

Not sure if I'm alone on this but I don't want John to become a good guy. I love the interaction between John and Helen when they are not on the same side. Don't want to lose that.

Also want to say what a great bonus the Canadian fans got last night. In addition to this wonderful episode, we got to see all the "lost" webisodes in two specials before the airing of the finale. Both were introduced by Amanda. Very cool! I especially enjoyed the second batch as I hadn't seen all of the webisodes yet.

Nope, not alone. I really like seeing Druitt being conflicted about the two sides of his personality, wanting to do good but struggling against his darker side. And I love seeing Helen struggle to trust Druitt, wanting to believe him but still mistrustful of his motives because of their shared past.

And how lucky you Canadians got to see the webisodes as well! If you can remember, did AT say anything of note for the intros?

SamJackShipper93
January 10th, 2009, 02:23 PM
Nice to see that Chris Heyerdahl's name has been added to the title credits! Bode's well that he'll be in a lot of Season 2!

I disagree. I love that John has changed. He made a great villian, but I'm really looking forward to seeing more conflict between his old life/new life. I love Helen and John together, and I really hope that she'll be able to start trusting him again. I can't wait to see what becomes of them because of what happens to Ashley. You can already see that John really cares for his daughter, and I really hope that Ashley will get to a point where she can call him "Dad".

That is, of course, if whatever's happened with Ashley can be undone. I'm excited for this character arc, but Ash's one of my favorite characters, and I really hope that they're able to cure her.

Clara, hmmm, she really bugs me. I not really liking the character, the nudity, or the Will/Clara ship (Will/Ashley all the way!). I'd be fine if she were a recurring character, but I really hope that she's not in every episode now.

I LOVE TESLA! Now that is a great character! Hope to see more of him, and I loved the comment about Magnus's father: "Guess he liked us most as a couple!" :P

I loved the banter between Watson, Druitt, and Tesla. "Honestly, I'm surrounded by juvenales!" :) Pity about Watson though. I wish that he'd stuck around more. The Five has become three. :(

Ugh! I DESPISE CLIFFHANGERS! BRING ON SEASON 2! WAHOO! ~Jess :)

EH-T
January 10th, 2009, 02:42 PM
And how lucky you Canadians got to see the webisodes as well! If you can remember, did AT say anything of note for the intros?


Can't recall off the top of my head. I'll have to watch them again and let you know.

Have to say that I think Amanda, Martin and Damian are doing a great job of offering these little extras to the fans. We also had intros off and on from Amanda, Robin and Emilie to various episodes. I think the reason we get these extras is that Sanctuary is shown on a network here that doesn't have advertising. The extra part of the hour is filled with promos of other shows or movies on the network so they have the ability to add intros without reducing advertising time (and therefore, money).

majorsal
January 10th, 2009, 03:17 PM
It seems like it wouldn't have taken very long for her to add a line when they where working on the blood like "the Big guy doesn't have long so we need to get a cure urgently" but given all that happened in those last few minutes I really don't think they had the time to include it. It may be that they did have something but it had to be cut.

I wonder if he has a proper name. We have heard Will and some of the others call him Big Guy or the big guy (the second usually when they are asking about him, not to his face) but I can't see Helen calling him that. Maybe his name is unprenouncable but has he picked a regular name for himself?

i'm sure bigfoot is fine, because helen *did* inject herself with his blood to make her own blood the cure. i'm remembering right?

so... now that the blood is in the cabal's hands, maybe helen's blood will be THE cure for everyone.

majorsal
January 10th, 2009, 03:23 PM
the helen-tesla interactions were great! :p when tesla had to go through the electric field again (because helen's dad just 'had' to leave it on for him again :p), and then he comes out the other end, he had to bring it up to helen that she 'did' care for him. then helen says 'you tried to kill me!' (something like that), and he replies, 'we always hurt the ones we love'. :lol:

jckfan55
January 10th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Not sure if I'm alone on this but I don't want John to become a good guy. I love the interaction between John and Helen when they are not on the same side. Don't want to lose that.

Not alone. I think he could relapse.

As for losing Watson, my comfort is that we might see him in flashbacks still.
I would certainly enjoy seeing more of the relationship between/among the Five. I think they were all a bit in love with Helen.

EH-T
January 10th, 2009, 03:46 PM
Not alone. I think he could relapse.

As for losing Watson, my comfort is that we might see him in flashbacks still.
I would certainly enjoy seeing more of the relationship between/among the Five. I think they were all a bit in love with Helen.

Who isn't? ;)

I hope you are right about Watson.

majorsal
January 10th, 2009, 03:52 PM
like majorsal I always wish for more Helen.


that's my only complaint! :p

~hmm... wonders if amanda tapping is really a drug... ~


oh, the cliffhanger. Let the Sanctuary (withdrawal) shakes begin. :D

yes, let the suffering begin. :(

HURRY UP, sanct ptb! :p

majorsal
January 10th, 2009, 04:02 PM
As for losing Watson, my comfort is that we might see him in flashbacks still.
I would certainly enjoy seeing more of the relationship between/among the Five. I think they were all a bit in love with Helen.

can you blame them! :p

maybe if season 2 does flashbacks on helen's life - number one desire for s2!! - we'll see the five in all their glory.

hey, we need to choose an actor for griffin! :p (thinking ben browder)

starlover, should be share the convo we're having about helen/bencharacter/rickcharacter? :p

starlover
January 10th, 2009, 04:10 PM
can you blame them! :p

maybe if season 2 does flashbacks on helen's life - number one desire for s2!! - we'll see the five in all their glory.

hey, we need to choose an actor for griffin! :p (thinking ben browder)

starlover, should be share the convo we're having about helen/bencharacter/rickcharacter? :p

*looks around*

How did ya know I was lurking here;) :P

S2 must have flashbacks of her life...especially the romances she has had...with others than Druitt;) Even though that is her one true love...she must have ....you know...tried out other men as well:P

Perhaps...we could get signatures for it:D

the fifth man
January 10th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Really good way to end Season 1 IMO. This episode kept me entertained the whole way through, and I honestly didn't see that exact ending coming.

oval
January 10th, 2009, 08:42 PM
it was very anticlimatic too

the dancer of spaz
January 10th, 2009, 10:20 PM
You guys have sucked me back in from lurking. :D

So, I really like how the cast began to gel towards the end there. I was at first a bit surprised that they made Druitt into a good-bad guy (I liked him as evil without reason or cause), but the combination of Druitt, Tesla and Watson were such incredible characters... I hope they bring Watson back.

I don't know how I feel about the new chick. The show could use a teensy bit more estrogen with the three gentlemen, Bigfoot and the two guys... But I need more from the character (and the actress) before I'm completely sold.

All in all, I like the ensemble. For a while there, I liked that it was like watching a mom and her three kids working together. I don't know why, but AT has a great maternal vibe with her three younger co-stars, even though she's obviously not that much older than them. Either way, I'd like to see more of Helen's protectiveness come out like it did a few times this season.

Great season, even with a few duds here or there. Here's looking for more mother/daughter drama, more Watson, and more Helen/Druitt/Tesla.

EvenstarSRV
January 10th, 2009, 10:30 PM
I disagree. I love that John has changed. He made a great villian, but I'm really looking forward to seeing more conflict between his old life/new life. I love Helen and John together, and I really hope that she'll be able to start trusting him again. I can't wait to see what becomes of them because of what happens to Ashley. You can already see that John really cares for his daughter, and I really hope that Ashley will get to a point where she can call him "Dad".

Oh I liked that Druitt has changed as well, and I'm also looking forward to seeing more conflict between the warring sides of his personality. But I also think his potential journey from 'villain' to 'good guy' should take a long time, with a few setbacks along the way, even if it means turning against Helen and the others.

I also think it would take a very long time for Helen to really start trusting Druitt again. Helen is probably very afraid of even slightly opening her heart to Druitt again because, except for Ashley, he's probably the one person who can hurt her the most.

I think it's telling that Helen so quickly believed that it was Druitt who took the Source blood at the end of the episode, even though he had been nothing but helpful in finding the blood and was so worried over Ashley when she collapsed. I do think that their shared concerned over Ashley's apparent betrayal will bring them closer together, but I think it should take something more than that for Druitt to really earn Helen's trust again.


That is, of course, if whatever's happened with Ashley can be undone. I'm excited for this character arc, but Ash's one of my favorite characters, and I really hope that they're able to cure her.

Clara, hmmm, she really bugs me. I not really liking the character, the nudity, or the Will/Clara ship (Will/Ashley all the way!). I'd be fine if she were a recurring character, but I really hope that she's not in every episode now.

I LOVE TESLA! Now that is a great character! Hope to see more of him, and I loved the comment about Magnus's father: "Guess he liked us most as a couple!" :P

I loved the banter between Watson, Druitt, and Tesla. "Honestly, I'm surrounded by juvenales!" :) Pity about Watson though. I wish that he'd stuck around more. The Five has become three. :(

Ugh! I DESPISE CLIFFHANGERS! BRING ON SEASON 2! WAHOO! ~Jess :)

Agree on all points, well except for Will/Ashley. :) I can't wait for season 2.


Can't recall off the top of my head. I'll have to watch them again and let you know.

Have to say that I think Amanda, Martin and Damian are doing a great job of offering these little extras to the fans. We also had intros off and on from Amanda, Robin and Emilie to various episodes. I think the reason we get these extras is that Sanctuary is shown on a network here that doesn't have advertising. The extra part of the hour is filled with promos of other shows or movies on the network so they have the ability to add intros without reducing advertising time (and therefore, money).

Thanks in advance! I'm a total sucker for any and all behind the scenes or cast/crew commentary for my favorite shows/movies (to the point of watching the LOTR commentaries 10 times each :o). I'm looking forward to the episode commentaries on the Sanctuary DVDs. :)

ZeroPoint
January 10th, 2009, 11:17 PM
Just watched Revelations Pt2, and wanted opinions about the tests.
Generally I thought there was to be other ways to complete the tests, but I have my doubts. I'm also not a fan of Indiana Jones types hazard terrain.

Druit's test: Without Watson, he had a 50% chance of guessing right. If he could do it on his own, he gets Watson's key too. I don't see any one else completing Druit's test.
Watson's test: Without Druit, he had no chance of completion.
Clara's test: Goofy test. It doesn't get dark there ever? Druit may have been able to pop in/out in enough time or anyone could've brought a remote control helicopter toy.
Tesla's test: Druit could've popped in/out. Helen/Watson could've gotten insulation enough to go through.
Helen's test: If the key was there all along, Druit could've popped out with it. Otherwise I don't think anyone else could've completed Helen's test.

hisg1fans
January 11th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Great show! Whatever else season 2 has, it must have Tesla. I think he is my favorite character after Helen. Great actor!!

Liked seeing Will shirtless (dirty old woman that I am), but didn't like the teeny-bopper kiss at the end.

I also hope Druitt isn't just a 'good' guy now.

I wonder if Helen knows the lady running the cabal?

Wish I was home and could watch it again :)

EH-T
January 11th, 2009, 10:26 AM
You guys have sucked me back in from lurking. :D

So, I really like how the cast began to gel towards the end there. I was at first a bit surprised that they made Druitt into a good-bad guy (I liked him as evil without reason or cause), but the combination of Druitt, Tesla and Watson were such incredible characters... I hope they bring Watson back.

I don't know how I feel about the new chick. The show could use a teensy bit more estrogen with the three gentlemen, Bigfoot and the two guys... But I need more from the character (and the actress) before I'm completely sold.

All in all, I like the ensemble. For a while there, I liked that it was like watching a mom and her three kids working together. I don't know why, but AT has a great maternal vibe with her three younger co-stars, even though she's obviously not that much older than them. Either way, I'd like to see more of Helen's protectiveness come out like it did a few times this season.

Great season, even with a few duds here or there. Here's looking for more mother/daughter drama, more Watson, and more Helen/Druitt/Tesla.

I agree but would also throw Watson into that mix!



Oh I liked that Druitt has changed as well, and I'm also looking forward to seeing more conflict between the warring sides of his personality. But I also think his potential journey from 'villain' to 'good guy' should take a long time, with a few setbacks along the way, even if it means turning against Helen and the others.

I also think it would take a very long time for Helen to really start trusting Druitt again. Helen is probably very afraid of even slightly opening her heart to Druitt again because, except for Ashley, he's probably the one person who can hurt her the most.

I think it's telling that Helen so quickly believed that it was Druitt who took the Source blood at the end of the episode, even though he had been nothing but helpful in finding the blood and was so worried over Ashley when she collapsed. I do think that their shared concerned over Ashley's apparent betrayal will bring them closer together, but I think it should take something more than that for Druitt to really earn Helen's trust again.



Agree on all points, well except for Will/Ashley. :) I can't wait for season 2.



Thanks in advance! I'm a total sucker for any and all behind the scenes or cast/crew commentary for my favorite shows/movies (to the point of watching the LOTR commentaries 10 times each :o). I'm looking forward to the episode commentaries on the Sanctuary DVDs. :)

For what it is worth, here it is:

The first intro was Amanda seated by a fireplace. Don't know if this was filmed at her house but it looked like a very nice house. In front of the fireplace was a small table with a TV screen showing the Sanctuary logo. Amanda looked very nice as usual and was wearing a lovely black and white outfit ( got to find out where she shops :))

She said "Hi, I'm Amanda Tapping from the television series Sanctuary. In May, 2007 the series first went online in the form of eight 15 minute webisodes. What you are about to see is the original 1 hour pilot for the series. This footage has never been aired on television, until now. Enjoy."

The second segment was also introduced by Amanda, same outfit and house but standing by a window (nice hardwood floors :)). The camera was above her (presumably on the stairs) looking down.

She said "Hi, I'm Amanda Tapping from the television series Sanctuary. In May, 2007 the series first went online in the form of eight 15 minute webisodes. What you are about to see is the second hour of those webisodes, in their original form, for the first time on television. Enjoy."

Not long but a nice touch. Also, I think it is great they showed the webisodes, especially for technologically challenged people like me who had not seen them all.

EvenstarSRV
January 11th, 2009, 12:16 PM
For what it is worth, here it is:

The first intro was Amanda seated by a fireplace. Don't know if this was filmed at her house but it looked like a very nice house. In front of the fireplace was a small table with a TV screen showing the Sanctuary logo. Amanda looked very nice as usual and was wearing a lovely black and white outfit ( got to find out where she shops :))

She said "Hi, I'm Amanda Tapping from the television series Sanctuary. In May, 2007 the series first went online in the form of eight 15 minute webisodes. What you are about to see is the original 1 hour pilot for the series. This footage has never been aired on television, until now. Enjoy."

The second segment was also introduced by Amanda, same outfit and house but standing by a window (nice hardwood floors :)). The camera was above her (presumably on the stairs) looking down.

She said "Hi, I'm Amanda Tapping from the television series Sanctuary. In May, 2007 the series first went online in the form of eight 15 minute webisodes. What you are about to see is the second hour of those webisodes, in their original form, for the first time on television. Enjoy."

Not long but a nice touch. Also, I think it is great they showed the webisodes, especially for technologically challenged people like me who had not seen them all.

Thanks!! :)

tricky
January 11th, 2009, 01:01 PM
Ok, one thing that has been bothering me is this whole bioweapon issue. I don't think they really have it, beyond the limited scope of their tests. This whole charade was engineered to get the sourceblood. Why? There has to be more than just keeping it out of Helen's hands. To make more powerful abnormal soldiers? Maybe, but then again, the effects are rather unpredictable: Use the wrong test subjects and Tesla gets a half brother! Besides, vampires seem to be the exact thing the Cabal wants to avoid: super powerful abnormals that are free willed and independent.
Maybe they are going to try and make some kind of elixer of health? You know, keep all the shadowy cabal types alive forever?
Or, since she did say it was the "moment of Ashley's rebirth", they are going to try to use it on Ash and make her their vampire pet. (if they do that, i hope it goes horribly wrong..like she becomes even more evil Ash...i hate smug baddies that hold all the cards all the time!)

EvenstarSRV
January 11th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Ok, one thing that has been bothering me is this whole bioweapon issue. I don't think they really have it, beyond the limited scope of their tests. This whole charade was engineered to get the sourceblood. Why? There has to be more than just keeping it out of Helen's hands. To make more powerful abnormal soldiers? Maybe, but then again, the effects are rather unpredictable: Use the wrong test subjects and Tesla gets a half brother! Besides, vampires seem to be the exact thing the Cabal wants to avoid: super powerful abnormals that are free willed and independent.
Maybe they are going to try and make some kind of elixer of health? You know, keep all the shadowy cabal types alive forever?
Or, since she did say it was the "moment of Ashley's rebirth", they are going to try to use it on Ash and make her their vampire pet. (if they do that, i hope it goes horribly wrong..like she becomes even more evil Ash...i hate smug baddies that hold all the cards all the time!)

I think this is where the parasites from Warriors may come in. The Cabal could use the Source blood to turn people into powerful abnormal soldiers, and then use the parasites to control them.

And I do think the Cabal still want to use their bioweapon to incite humans wipe out all the other abnormals so that their army will be the only abnormals left and they'll be completely under their control. That seems to be their end goal, total control over all abnormals on Earth.

I'm really interested to see how far they're going to take this 'evil Ashley' arc next season. I kinda hope it's not something that's going to get resolved in the season premiere. Like the tensions between Helen and Ashley over Druitt this season, I'd like to see this conflict between the two stretch out over a few episodes.

Matt G
January 11th, 2009, 02:44 PM
1. Liked all the tests.

2. Bummer that Watson died but then again his hold on longevity was the most tenuous out of the surviving Five. Money in my pocket says that Druitt will now be running the UK Sancturary. We will definately be seeing him again.

3. Will's not done badly! :)

4. Ash has blatently been brainwashed, with the Cabal having seemingly overwritten her regulsar personality hence the "rebirth" comments.

Very nice stuff and am looking forward to S2!

jckfan55
January 12th, 2009, 01:51 PM
I'm really interested to see how far they're going to take this 'evil Ashley' arc next season. I kinda hope it's not something that's going to get resolved in the season premiere. Like the tensions between Helen and Ashley over Druitt this season, I'd like to see this conflict between the two stretch out over a few episodes.

I wouldn't mind it taking a couple of episodes, but not too long. And then I'd like for some dealing with the keeping the secret about her father issue.
I'm very interested in Helen & Ashley's relationship generally. What was it like to grow up in the Sanctuary? Was Helen a doting mother when Ashley was little? We know she took her to the park. I'd love to see an Ashley in the stroller flashback. :)

the dancer of spaz
January 12th, 2009, 04:36 PM
I wouldn't mind it taking a couple of episodes, but not too long. And then I'd like for some dealing with the keeping the secret about her father issue.
I'm very interested in Helen & Ashley's relationship generally. What was it like to grow up in the Sanctuary? Was Helen a doting mother when Ashley was little? We know she took her to the park. I'd love to see an Ashley in the stroller flashback. :)

I definitely agree with that, jckfan. They brushed over the issue about keeping John a secret, and I had expected and hoped that that would drive a big wedge between mother and daughter. Hopefully "Bad Ashley" gives them a chance to explore that issue once more. The dynamic between Helen and Ashley could be really cool, especially contrasted with the fact that Ashley is so much like her father.

CalmStorm
January 12th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Who else thought Watson was gonna say....

Will, I am your father as he died? their power is so similar, Watson just had longer to hone his skills...

Shame he died though....

I thought that was exactly what he was going to say! It was a bit of a let down that that wasn't what he said. It seemed like it was all leading to that realization, the way that they showed how they thought identically and had the same "ability" basically.

It all would have made sense, especially since we haven't heard anything at all about Will's father, only his mother.

When he uttered that line about their missing something I actually had a WTF moment. I was not expecting that at all and had actually thought the next words out of his mouth were going to be ..."I'm your father" ...or some clever way of revealing that detail. It was a huge let down that that was not the revelation to be made.



I loved the line when Tesla finally managed to force himself through all the electricity, and he's panting on the other side and says to Helen "I don't think your father liked me".

Also when Helen initially thought her trail was practically non existant and Tesla Says "Daddy's girl".

I loved that scene too :D

Great episode, but I really hope they move beyond the cabal in season 2. Sure, every hero has an enemy, but it gets old quick when more and more episodes are devoted to some sort of reference to the cabal. Hopefully they'll be significantly incapacitated enough to only be a mere thorn as opposed to and overwhelming evil force that becomes the central theme of the program. (Just my two cents)

Skydiver
January 12th, 2009, 07:55 PM
or, we end up with some sort of threat where the cabal and helen's group need to work together to fix, or we get some depth into the cabal beyond 'bad guys'

rosey_angel
January 13th, 2009, 04:41 AM
wow what a great ep!

the drama was pretty intense, and i loved the interaction between the characters. i wish we could have a scene with magnus, druitt, tesla, and watson all playing poker. it would be fabulous!

some very great lines that once again proves this series is extremely well written and a lot of thought is put into each ep. i must admit when they said this was going to be a full series i had my doubts how a webseries could be translated to an hour-long show but they did it and did well.

bring on season two i say!

pinielf
January 13th, 2009, 07:13 AM
So far the show is running on the concept “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” that is great and I hope they continue that way ( John, Tesla) and I hope also the cabal.

majorsal
January 13th, 2009, 07:50 PM
i wish we could have a scene with magnus, druitt, tesla, and watson all playing poker. it would be fabulous!



i LOVE that idea!! :p :D

Aurora24
January 14th, 2009, 01:11 PM
^Great fanfic idea, wish I had time to write it.

Loved the season finale, hope season 2 starts soon.

Chelle DB
January 15th, 2009, 03:20 AM
You guys have sucked me back in from lurking. :D
So, I really like how the cast began to gel towards the end there. I was at first a bit surprised that they made Druitt into a good-bad guy (I liked him as evil without reason or cause), but the combination of Druitt, Tesla and Watson were such incredible characters... I hope they bring Watson back.
All in all, I like the ensemble. For a while there, I liked that it was like watching a mom and her three kids working together. I don't know why, but AT has a great maternal vibe with her three younger co-stars, even though she's obviously not that much older than them. Either way, I'd like to see more of Helen's protectiveness come out like it did a few times this season.
Great season, even with a few duds here or there. Here's looking for more mother/daughter drama, more Watson, and more Helen/Druitt/Tesla.
Wow...it's kinda hard to add to that...glad you delurked for a moment Spaz!

I agree but would also throw Watson into that mix!
Oooh...Helen/Druitt/Watson/Tesla...oooh...interesting...hehehe! I'm in for some of that too!
Seriously...I'm loving Watson and bitterly disappointed they killed him off...wouldn't it be nice if they could figure out a way to bring him back...highly unlikely but not entirely impossible!

wow what a great ep!
the drama was pretty intense, and i loved the interaction between the characters. i wish we could have a scene with magnus, druitt, tesla, and watson all playing poker. it would be fabulous!
bring on season two i say!
I'd also like to see Biggie in that poker game as well...and I'd love to see him win...I love his laugh!:D

Chelle DB
January 15th, 2009, 03:40 AM
Oh I liked that Druitt has changed as well, and I'm also looking forward to seeing more conflict between the warring sides of his personality. But I also think his potential journey from 'villain' to 'good guy' should take a long time, with a few setbacks along the way, even if it means turning against Helen and the others.
I also think it would take a very long time for Helen to really start trusting Druitt again. Helen is probably very afraid of even slightly opening her heart to Druitt again because, except for Ashley, he's probably the one person who can hurt her the most.
I think it's telling that Helen so quickly believed that it was Druitt who took the Source blood at the end of the episode, even though he had been nothing but helpful in finding the blood and was so worried over Ashley when she collapsed. I do think that their shared concerned over Ashley's apparent betrayal will bring them closer together, but I think it should take something more than that for Druitt to really earn Helen's trust again.

I think you and I are on the same wave length here...I don't think I can possibly disagree with any of your points! I'm hoping that Ashley's "betrayal" does bring John and Helen a little closer. I'm also hoping to see more vulnerability in Helen. And maybe a few flashbacks to life with Ashley as a child and if there were any signs back then that may have shown that she inherited Johns gift.

Thank you EH-T for the run down of the intro to the webisodes...I hope that they put it on the dvd's or someone has it somewhere to share with us here who have not seen it!

I've only had the chance to watch the ep once but what I do recall about it was that I was totally bummed with Watson's demise but I loved the tests that they each had to undertake. But I really really don't like cliffhangers. Although, this wasn't too bad. Not like with the webisodes!!
Wasn't overly surprised by Ashley going darkside. Maybe just a little but not totally shocked!
I'm still having serious issues with the Cabal woman...I just can't warm up to the character...even for a bad one...I cringe.
Overall, I loved the ep but still can't compare to Requiem...but I'm figuring that will be a hard act to follow! :)

rosey_angel
January 16th, 2009, 05:19 AM
I'd also like to see Biggie in that poker game as well...and I'd love to see him win...I love his laugh!:D

heeheehee i can see that

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February 12th, 2009, 01:50 PM
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majorsal
February 14th, 2009, 09:58 PM
i just rewatched the season finale. i was going to wait a bit (till i was terribly desperate in my sanctuary suffering), but tv was very bad tonight... :p

anyhoo, very enjoyable episode. helen and the john-watson-tesla guys were awesome together.

random stuff...

loved helen and ashley hugging after john rescued ash and henry.

tesla is a total crack up! :p his going through his test and then saying to helen, 'you always hurt the one you love'. too good! :p

the john-watson relationship was very touching. of course, made all the more by two wonderful actors.

i can see why tesla made fun of helen being a daddy's girl, because her test really was too easy. :p

on a side note: i don't really consider helen an abnormal. yes, she seems to live forever, but that's the only thing 'different' about her.

i have to say, i can understand dana (the cabal woman) thinking she was doing the right thing. she wants to save her species. and when she said to ashley about once liking/respecting her mom (helen)... i'm wondering about the dana-helen relationship. where did they meet? did they meet? what made dana go the opposite way of helen's thinking?

and speaking of that, would helen be so pro abnormal if she didn't consider herself one too?

i wish watson lived. :(

i liked the way john reacted when helen accused him at the end. it was hard to not feel sorry for john through this episode.

i loved the line about adolescents! :p (can't remember the exact line now)

question: did the cabal brainwash ashley to make her do their bidding, or did they just ignite ash's killer instincts (think john's powers) and that made her want to follow them?


i think that's all. for now. :p :D

kes
February 15th, 2009, 04:02 AM
[...]

i have to say, i can understand dana (the cabal woman) thinking she was doing the right thing. she wants to save her species. and when she said to ashley about once liking/respecting her mom (helen)... i'm wondering about the dana-helen relationship. where did they meet? did they meet? what made dana go the opposite way of helen's thinking?
[...]

The most dangerous villains are the one who believes they are doing the right thing :D

jelgate
February 15th, 2009, 05:46 AM
The most dangerous villains are the one who believes they are doing the right thing :D

Also the most interesting. What beliefs is the villain following that would have him/her do so much morally questionable acts? I'm talking in general not just Sanctuary

kes
February 15th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Also the most interesting. What beliefs is the villain following that would have him/her do so much morally questionable acts? I'm talking in general not just Sanctuary

Well in this case, she's protecting humans. Its a "war" and one tends to choose their side.
Its like Hellboy II where the villain wants to protect and rebuild is world. Or the mutant vs humans from X-men. They are "superior" and some will eventually see themselfs that way and take advantage. Feel and belive they are Gods, like Magneto :D

The ends justify the means. Or something like that LOL

EvenstarSRV
February 15th, 2009, 07:11 PM
anyhoo, very enjoyable episode. helen and the john-watson-tesla guys were awesome together.

random stuff...

loved helen and ashley hugging after john rescued ash and henry.

tesla is a total crack up! :p his going through his test and then saying to helen, 'you always hurt the one you love'. too good! :p

Agree on all counts, and I loved Tesla both in this episode and in The Five. I hope we get to see him again in season 2.



on a side note: i don't really consider helen an abnormal. yes, she seems to live forever, but that's the only thing 'different' about her.

i have to say, i can understand dana (the cabal woman) thinking she was doing the right thing. she wants to save her species. and when she said to ashley about once liking/respecting her mom (helen)... i'm wondering about the dana-helen relationship. where did they meet? did they meet? what made dana go the opposite way of helen's thinking?

and speaking of that, would helen be so pro abnormal if she didn't consider herself one too?

I think Helen is proud to be an abnormal, most of the time, and that personal identification is important to how she views and treats other abnormals. She can't easily dismiss them all being dangerous or lesser than humans (as Dana does) without turning those views on herself.



question: did the cabal brainwash ashley to make her do their bidding, or did they just ignite ash's killer instincts (think john's powers) and that made her want to follow them?


I think it's a combination of both. We know from Warriors that the Cabal has methods of controlling/brainwashing people, and what they did to Henry suggests that they can bring out innate abnormal characteristics in them as well.

I'm thinking they did both to Ashley, brought out the innate teleporting powers she got from Druitt, and brainwashed her to follow their orders.


The most dangerous villains are the one who believes they are doing the right thing :D

Absolutely. They're also the most interesting to watch because you can sometimes understand their motivations for what they do, even if you usually don't agree with them.

majorsal
February 15th, 2009, 07:26 PM
I think Helen is proud to be an abnormal, most of the time, and that personal identification is important to how she views and treats other abnormals. She can't easily dismiss them all being dangerous or lesser than humans (as Dana does) without turning those views on herself.

i agree.

i'm thinking 'i' wish she wasn't considered an abnormal... maybe so i can identify with her more? hmm, i'm going to have to think on this. :p


I think it's a combination of both. We know from Warriors that the Cabal has methods of controlling/brainwashing people, and what they did to Henry suggests that they can bring out innate abnormal characteristics in them as well.

I'm thinking they did both to Ashley, brought out the innate teleporting powers she got from Druitt, and brainwashed her to follow their orders.

but i wonder, though, if bringing out ash's innate abilities does the same thing to her as it did to john (making him go darkside)? or, is it the habitual teleporting that starts decimating the brain?

we need the entire sanctuary family smileys. :p

EvenstarSRV
February 15th, 2009, 09:33 PM
i agree.

i'm thinking 'i' wish she wasn't considered an abnormal... maybe so i can identify with her more? hmm, i'm going to have to think on this. :p

But aren't we all a little 'abnormal' in our own quirky ways? I always fold up, never crumple, my scratch paper, and think jumping out of perfectly good planes is a blast. :D

One of the premises of the show that I really like is how they shine the light on what is generally considered to be strange/unnatural/abnormal and make you think, is that person really so different from me?

Sure it's hard to relate to Helen's long lifespan, but there are so many other aspects of her character to relate to to a greater or lesser degree. For me right now, I can totally relate to Helen's inability to sleep normally. :o



but i wonder, though, if bringing out ash's innate abilities does the same thing to her as it did to john (making him go darkside)? or, is it the habitual teleporting that starts decimating the brain?


In think in the webisodes they implied that Druitt using his powers is what drove him mad, though I'm not sure they've kept that in the series. I'm inclined to think that repeated teleporting does affect his brain, and Helen's blood acts as a temporary fix for the problem. It would be interesting if Ashley develops a similar kind of madness.

Egle01
February 20th, 2009, 04:18 AM
Whoa, it's been awhile since I got lost to "Sanctuary" thread. :o:)

Before watching the final episode, I re-watched the previous one. I couldn't quite get the dialogues, English being foreign language to me and all, plus the accent. :(

I had expected the challenges to be more difficult. But, on the other hand, no one else but them could have passed the tests.

What happened to Ashely? Was she brainwashed or what?

jelgate
February 20th, 2009, 04:43 AM
What happened to Ashely? Was she brainwashed or what?

And that is the big question. Some say she was brainwashed while others say her evil side was taken over due to being Druitt's daughter

Egle01
February 20th, 2009, 05:11 AM
My bet is that she got brainwashed. :)

Not Telling
March 7th, 2009, 09:44 PM
I hope that they don't keep turned-Ashley. I hate it when they have the parent/child relationships that are loving and normal suddenly switch. The Helen/Ashley dynamic is probably my favourite part of the series and I would hate it if they turned against each other (I think that it is so stupid when TV shows do that) Plus I'm more than a little afraid that they'd replace Ash with the invisible-streaker. Personally I think that Druitt is probably going to be instrumental in bringing her back to the good side, he having gone through something similar.
Speaking of Druitt, here's hoping that he comes back again and again with varying degrees of good/badness! I love to see the vunrability that he brings out in Helen.

jckfan55
March 8th, 2009, 12:58 PM
^Yeah, I'd like to see Ashley back to normal in one or two episodes. Now I would expect some emotional fallout from having been brainwashed, though.

kes
March 14th, 2009, 04:29 PM
ok so I was just watching this again and I started thinking....Druit might be the bad guy. Think about it...maybe Tesla didnt save him, maybe it was the Cabal. That would explain how he knew where they were. Offering him a way inside the Sanctuary and gain Ash and Magnus trust, sort of. He could have infected Biggie and messed up Watson' suit. And that would explain the info the Cabal got. Maybe they promised Ash to him. A way back at Magnus.
It would also solve the problem of having Druit good so soon in the show and keep at bay the romance. Cos lets face it..as soon as something starts it will ruin the show. Dont get me wrong I'm a Druit/Magnus shipper but it always ruin the shows.

Not Telling
March 14th, 2009, 08:35 PM
ok so I was just watching this again and I started thinking....Druit might be the bad guy. Think about it...maybe Tesla didnt save him, maybe it was the Cabal. That would explain how he knew where they were. Offering him a way inside the Sanctuary and gain Ash and Magnus trust, sort of. He could have infected Biggie and messed up Watson' suit. And that would explain the info the Cabal got. Maybe they promised Ash to him. A way back at Magnus.
It would also solve the problem of having Druit good so soon in the show and keep at bay the romance. Cos lets face it..as soon as something starts it will ruin the show. Dont get me wrong I'm a Druit/Magnus shipper but it always ruin the shows.

Acutally, Druitt working for the Cabal was a theory I had originally that I rejected, just because I don't want him to be that major of a bad guy. But the more I think about it, the more I'm convincd that's what is acutally happening.

kes
March 15th, 2009, 04:37 AM
Acutally, Druitt working for the Cabal was a theory I had originally that I rejected, just because I don't want him to be that major of a bad guy. But the more I think about it, the more I'm convincd that's what is acutally happening.

I'm ok with it cos they have the: He's not himself thing. You know power drives him crazy bla bla LOL

jelgate
March 15th, 2009, 09:42 AM
That doesn't make sense. I don't see Druitt and the Cabal having simliar goals

Inward Wind
March 15th, 2009, 11:21 AM
I strongly agree with the possibility of Druitt being behind the whole thing.


That doesn't make sense. I don't see Druitt and the Cabal having simliar goals

No, I don't think he has the same goals as the Cabal but that wouldn't stop him from using them as a means to get what he wants. He wants, no needs, the source blood or Helen's blood to survive, evidently. So, if teaming up with the Cabal could get him either or both, I think he would do it. My only hesitation with him being bad is that he genuinely looked upset about the possibility of Ashley being experimented on. Of course, that might not have been in his original plan and the Cabal stabbed him in the back on that one! I think it has to be either him or Telsa as the leak (trader).

kes
March 15th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Agree. I mean seriously...why would he care about humans or abnormals? LOL
Plus, thou making Ash a lab rat might piss him off, I think he would be thrilled she has his gift :)
Daddy's girl LOL

Mousie
March 16th, 2009, 02:33 AM
It's certainly an interesting thought. Personally I like Druitt as they seem to have him at the moment. Cured of his evilness but angst ridden. I like him like this as it builds the stress between him and Helen. She loves him but can't forget what he did and the worry that he could turn again at any time. I don't want them to resolve their differences quickly as it wouldn't be realistic.

I love the angst and tension between them!

Caitidid
May 15th, 2009, 10:29 PM
I don't think any of them are traitors, except Ashley, if you can classify her as that.

Druitt doesn't have good reason to side with them, he gains nothing. And I don't think the vampire blood would do him any good, that's what got him all screwed up in the first place. Besides, he could have easily taken it without needing the Cabal's help.

Tesla's much the same, in fact the Cabal are after him as much as they are Helen. They'd have nothing to tempt him with really, anyway.

And did you notice Ashley's expression at the end? It was blank until Dana said something about her "rebirth", and interesting word choice by the way, and she gave this creepy, blank smile. When I first saw it I didn't actually think it was Ashley, I thought it was a copy, a clone or something. I still think it might be.

The Cabal have had this planned since the beginning, I think. They played Magnus and everyone else just fell into their hands. Now that that's done I think season 2 will be interesting because it will be on the members of the Sanctuary's terms because they've lost everything, so they have nothing to lose.

AtlantisRules!!!
May 22nd, 2009, 02:43 PM
I just watched it again.. and I noticed the slight orange light in the last scene.. Does that mean Ashley has John's power? :eek:

kivawolfspeaker
May 22nd, 2009, 05:32 PM
I just watched it again.. and I noticed the slight orange light in the last scene.. Does that mean Ashley has John's power? :eek:


Yes, Ashley can teleport, she is the one who took the Source Blood from Magnus at the end after all (abit well under the control of the Cabal, but still). I didn't notice it at first either, but after watching it a second time, I realized that this was the case.

jckfan55
May 26th, 2009, 10:12 AM
I wondered it maybe the power was temporary due to something the Cabal did to her. I don't know if I want Ashley to have the teleporting power permanently. It might be too convenient to just teleport everywhere every week...

EvenstarSRV
May 26th, 2009, 09:02 PM
I wondered it maybe the power was temporary due to something the Cabal did to her. I don't know if I want Ashley to have the teleporting power permanently. It might be too convenient to just teleport everywhere every week...

It may be something like what the Cabal did to Henry, give him drugs that brought forth his abnormal abilities. He'd been able to control them with Helen's treatments, so maybe that's what she'll have to come up with for Ashley as well.

Ksya
June 9th, 2009, 08:23 PM
I wondered it maybe the power was temporary due to something the Cabal did to her. I don't know if I want Ashley to have the teleporting power permanently. It might be too convenient to just teleport everywhere every week...

I wouldn't like having Ashley and John having teleporting powers, it would kind of drown out the significance of the fact that John had the power in the first place.

MyzteriouZ
June 10th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Just saw this(and part 1). Sanctuary is turning out to be a killer show :)

Poor little Vampy Tesla, like he said, Helen's father must really not have liked him, given what his test was :P cool to see smoke coming off him too :P

I kinda wondered why Ashley didn't jump from the chair...I mean, the electrified floor area seemed to be pretty small, easy to jump over. Dana (or whatever ger name was) also threw the soda to Ashley, so it didn't seem to be any force field surrounding the square she was put in. Her hands weren't tied, her feet weren't tied, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but in my eyes that would have been an easy jump to "safety" :P


And the entire time, I kept waiting for Druitt to turn against the others, just got a weird vibe watching, that he will not gonna play fair, and when the blood got stolen in the end, I was positive it was him :P eventhou it turned out to be Ashley, I still have my doubts about Druitt's intentions, he may even have tampered with Watson's "life west". I just don't buy this "Nice Guy Druitt"

Ksya
June 13th, 2009, 10:07 AM
And the entire time, I kept waiting for Druitt to turn against the others, just got a weird vibe watching, that he will not gonna play fair, and when the blood got stolen in the end, I was positive it was him :P eventhou it turned out to be Ashley, I still have my doubts about Druitt's intentions, he may even have tampered with Watson's "life west". I just don't buy this "Nice Guy Druitt"


Me neither. I mean, he is Jack the Ripper. :S

WishIwasJoes
June 13th, 2009, 10:11 AM
I can hardly wait to see what happens to Ashley. She looks so dark at the end of the show! I think perhaps the cabal did something to her to make her be able to move about like John but I cannot see them giving this power to her forever. She has never really shown anything that suggests she is nothing more than an abnormal. Still this twist is really exciting. I do not get why Dana said Ashley was going to die but then she is alive and servering her at the end of the show.

Perhaps this is not the real ashley? Who knows. PLus are we so sure we can trust Henry? So many questions I cannot wait to see more. I hope they order 20 episodes for season 3.

MyzteriouZ
June 13th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Well, in a way, Ashley did die right? (The Ashley we knew)

Dana did say something about "welcome to your rebirth" or smth, when they met on the Easter Islands...now if she's a clone/brainwashed/dream/remote controlled/whatever, she's not the Ashley we saw in S1....

So she may not be dead dead, but atm the "real" Ashley is dead in a sense...


meh, or not, just trying to fit the dead part together :P

JanSam
June 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM
I also took it to mean Ashley's rebirth as one of Dana's soldiers now. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

I do believe John does care about Ashley and Helen but I don't trust him too far. I don't think he had any role with the Cabal as far as sabotaging the vest or taking a part in Ashley's capture. How long he stays the "good" John only time will tell. Be interesting if the cause of his insanity is related to his gift as it was in the webisode, and if it is if it will affect the "new" Ashley as well.......is it October yet???

WishIwasJoes
July 7th, 2009, 07:33 AM
I also took it to mean Ashley's rebirth as one of Dana's soldiers now. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

I do believe John does care about Ashley and Helen but I don't trust him too far. I don't think he had any role with the Cabal as far as sabotaging the vest or taking a part in Ashley's capture. How long he stays the "good" John only time will tell. Be interesting if the cause of his insanity is related to his gift as it was in the webisode, and if it is if it will affect the "new" Ashley as well.......is it October yet???


That could be although re watching revelations I was looking for signs and or hints as to what Johns real movites are. Why does he care about abnormals so much? I know he is one but he does not seem to work with them the way Helen and Watson do. Watson, Ashley states, runs the London Sanctuary. Tesla states he wants the blood to be safe so he can basically use it for his own reasons later. IE he might steal it. So really what does John want because I have trouble buying he cares so much for others because when we first met him he does not even seem to care about Ashley and puts her in harms way. Yes Tesla put some sparks to him but I still question his change of heart.

The way John said "At last" once helen had the blood in her hands sounded as though he had wanted to see the blood all along. Is it possible John was working with the Cabal to double cross Helen, only to have them double cross him with his daughter? Really the writers have so much to play with!

kes
July 7th, 2009, 08:51 AM
That could be although re watching revelations I was looking for signs and or hints as to what Johns real movites are. Why does he care about abnormals so much? I know he is one but he does not seem to work with them the way Helen and Watson do. Watson, Ashley states, runs the London Sanctuary. Tesla states he wants the blood to be safe so he can basically use it for his own reasons later. IE he might steal it. So really what does John want because I have trouble buying he cares so much for others because when we first met him he does not even seem to care about Ashley and puts her in harms way. Yes Tesla put some sparks to him but I still question his change of heart.

The way John said "At last" once helen had the blood in her hands sounded as though he had wanted to see the blood all along. Is it possible John was working with the Cabal to double cross Helen, only to have them double cross him with his daughter? Really the writers have so much to play with!

I rewatched the season finally (sp) recently and I was thinking the same thing. Sametimes it sounds like he might have second intentions other times he seems really concerned. Maybe them turning Ash was part of the plan. An offer to him. Maybe he just stayed cos he wanted to make sure Helen trusted him. Like he's still there and Ash is jumping around. That way they have an inside man ;)

JanSam
July 12th, 2009, 07:13 PM
or could it be just his hatred of the Cabal?

He does state in Revelations 1 "I will not stand idly by while the Cabal imposes its chaos."

Chelle DB
July 14th, 2009, 04:32 AM
The way John said "At last" once helen had the blood in her hands sounded as though he had wanted to see the blood all along. Is it possible John was working with the Cabal to double cross Helen, only to have them double cross him with his daughter? Really the writers have so much to play with!
Ooooh!! Interesting theory!
I must be among the minority...I like John Druitt as he is now. I mean I love him when he's bad too but the way he is working with helping Helen...I love it.
I don't think John was working or conspiring against Helen. I think he genuinely loves her and Ashley. But sadly, I believe that may change. I hope it doesn't though. I like John and Helen working together.
I don't think he did anything to Watsons' suit. I think in his current state, John remembers the good times when he and the others were friends. I hope he gets the chance to redeem himself.
Just my humble opinion though. :)

Mousie
July 15th, 2009, 05:45 AM
Ooooh!! Interesting theory!
I must be among the minority...I like John Druitt as he is now. I mean I love him when he's bad too but the way he is working with helping Helen...I love it.
I don't think John was working or conspiring against Helen. I think he genuinely loves her and Ashley. But sadly, I believe that may change. I hope it doesn't though. I like John and Helen working together.
I don't think he did anything to Watsons' suit. I think in his current state, John remembers the good times when he and the others were friends. I hope he gets the chance to redeem himself.
Just my humble opinion though. :)

I agree.

kes
July 15th, 2009, 06:43 AM
I also like him the way he is now. I just think it happen to fast. It makes sence with the shape the season has thou.

WishIwasJoes
July 15th, 2009, 07:32 AM
Another thing that bothers me. The head of the cabal says "We have sucessful gotten the plague in the sanctuary."

How does she know that? And who took the broken device to them? It was John. I have a bad feeling about him. But one would think that Watson would pick up on that. Of course he was busy trying to get over the fact that his friend was the murderer in a case that he could not solve. Poor Watson. I was so sad when he died!

kes
July 15th, 2009, 02:35 PM
Another thing that bothers me. The head of the cabal says "We have sucessful gotten the plague in the sanctuary."

How does she know that? And who took the broken device to them? It was John. I have a bad feeling about him. But one would think that Watson would pick up on that. Of course he was busy trying to get over the fact that his friend was the murderer in a case that he could not solve. Poor Watson. I was so sad when he died!

Right, plus the Big Guy getting infected.
Watson felt something was wrong he just couldnt get what it was.

AtlantisRules!!!
July 15th, 2009, 05:30 PM
Right, plus the Big Guy getting infected.
Watson felt something was wrong he just couldnt get what it was.

I thought that was refering to Ash.

suse
July 15th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Right, plus the Big Guy getting infected.
Watson felt something was wrong he just couldnt get what it was.


I thought that was refering to Ash.

:P And I thought it had to do with having to go after the source blood. Was it the only way? Ash to some extent, but I'm sure there are other surprises. :S

suse

Chelle DB
July 16th, 2009, 12:17 AM
I thought that was refering to Ash.
Me too. I thought it was more about Ashley or the way it all played out...you know when you get that nagging feeling that something just doesn't feel right?? I don't think that Watson was referring to Druitt but more so that he's missed something vital to what the Cabal was up to coz it was too easy.
I think that its possible that BF did get infected as a result of John bringing the "package" to the sanctuary but I don't think John did it deliberately.
There's something about the way that John and James work together that gives me the sense that they value each others trust and respect each other.
I think John may simply be an innocent pawn in this game. Just like Ashley is.
I hate waiting...why haven't we got any spoilers yet...some pics??? Arghh...I can't wait til October! :D

kes
July 16th, 2009, 02:00 AM
The 1st time he says it Ash wasnt a problem yet or in a position to became on. I think it does have to do with getting the blood since they lose it right after, but in conection with the cabal knowing everything that was happening. Henry was right there and he didnt get infected. I doubt the Big Guy got closer to Druitt then the others.
Plus the big guy getting sick you get rid of his biggest problem and force Magnus to take more drastic actions.

AresLover452
November 9th, 2009, 08:58 PM
I liked all the John and Watson parts when they were trying to find the entrance to Bhalasamm. Watson goading him and John tell to stop baiting him because he wasn't in the mood.

helenmagnus23
January 12th, 2010, 05:09 AM
I've just watched REVELATION'S P2 and knowing what i know from HAUNTED what caused John to do what he done so long ago and through time as i was watching it i noticed everytime James was testing him or having ago at him you can see John fighting that urge to kill you could see him not wanting to go back to his darkside .

AresLover452
January 12th, 2010, 10:19 PM
All in all a very good episode with hust the right amount of levity.

Skydiver
January 15th, 2010, 10:19 AM
Folks, please, any and ALL episode discussion past this episode MUST be in spoiler tags.

helenmagnus23
January 16th, 2010, 03:38 AM
Sorry Sky i totaly forgot sorry :o

KayLyne
April 17th, 2011, 04:45 PM
In rewatching this episode (for the hundredth time! It's one of my faves!), a question has popped into my head. In this episode we see the love/hate relationship of Watson & Druitt because of the Jack the Ripper case. We know it took a long time for James to figure out that the killer was John, and here James bemoans the fact that he was hurt because it was his friend as the killer. However, we know that Helen had been aware of John killing prostitutes from that flashback scene we always keep seeing (where she is a bit late in stopping him from killing the woman). So, did Helen really know that John was the Ripper killer and not tell James about it while he was trying to solve the case?

helenmagnus23
May 29th, 2011, 06:35 AM
In rewatching this episode (for the hundredth time! It's one of my faves!), a question has popped into my head. In this episode we see the love/hate relationship of Watson & Druitt because of the Jack the Ripper case. We know it took a long time for James to figure out that the killer was John, and here James bemoans the fact that he was hurt because it was his friend as the killer. However, we know that Helen had been aware of John killing prostitutes from that flashback scene we always keep seeing (where she is a bit late in stopping him from killing the woman). So, did Helen really know that John was the Ripper killer and not tell James about it while he was trying to solve the case?

That is really good question KayLyne:D

I'm thinking Helen did know John was JTR before James found out becase of there relationship at the time they still would have been close and Helen would have noticed a change in Johns behavour before any of the others noticed it and i'm thinking she probably got curious about John's where abouts and in that scene where we see her confront him i guessing she wanted to do that on her own with out the others knowing especially James given that he and John are/were close friends she wanted to try and stop him herself help him if she could .

I think she may have told James after she had confronted John and tried to stop him from doing the killings .

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 01:00 PM
I could go either way about who knew how much when. It could be that Helen knew before James did, but it could just as easily have been James who told Helen. Either way, I think it cut Magnus deeper than it did the others, for obvious reasons. I think while James was just as hurt, his was also on a pride level, because it rankled him that John had played him, listening to his ideas about the Ripper while being the Ripper the entire time and James hadn't seen it.

I would also like to mention that this episode has me in tears. It's one I don't like to watch very often because my poor fluffy heart just can't take it. But that is probably the ultimate way of acknowledging that an episode is super fantastically awesome.

Skydiver
August 21st, 2012, 05:27 PM
ah Rev 2, the season finale and the end of ashley as we know her.

we indulge our inner indiana jones in the tombs, we get some great snark and backtalk between the five. We see watson and druitt make amends before watson's ultimate end. WE see a lot of old grudges but also some deep respect.

the ash/henry story...eh. too easy. we do see into the heart of the cabal ' every abnormal we don't control is a threat',b ut at times they're also kinda OTT cheesy.

so it has great parts and some kinda cheesy parts (and dana is almost painfully annoying)

one unanswered question...easter island????? why the heck go to easter island? travel half way around the world to hand over a vial? isn't that a huge waste of time?

JanSam
August 25th, 2012, 05:55 PM
Not a bad season finale. The addition to Tesla to the group made the tunnels more interesting. I do wonder since The Five came from an era where women were not highly regarded for their intellect; why they let Helen lead them over Watson.

I also found the Cabal kind of cheesy at times.

blueray
August 26th, 2012, 07:01 AM
I really liked the finale. but watching it knowing what happened to Ashley was sad :(. I think that easter island, was just to show that they are meeting in an isolated place. and lets face it seeming them on a street corner wouldn't have been as creepy.

I loved all the scenes with the five, especially once Nickela gets added. I also have to say, I love the part when Henry learns that he can control his hap side, and uses it to escape.

Skydiver
August 27th, 2012, 03:48 AM
yeah, quite the irony that they meant to control henry and make him go nuts to prove what an animal he is, but they gave him the confidence to know that he could control his transformations and kinda boosted his abilities.

Sparky She-Demon
November 8th, 2012, 08:17 AM
yeah, quite the irony that they meant to control henry and make him go nuts to prove what an animal he is, but they gave him the confidence to know that he could control his transformations and kinda boosted his abilities.

That's the irony of things. My favorite set of lines from this episode are:

Elementary my dear Watson.
Oh, shut up!