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GateWorld
December 5th, 2008, 10:09 PM
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<FONT SIZE="4"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/sanctuary/s1/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">REVELATIONS, PART 1</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 112</FONT>
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After an outbreak of rash violence among abnormals, Druitt arrives at the Sanctuary with a warning of a coming war -- a war orchestrated by the Cabal. To stop it, they must reunite the survivors of the Five and retrieve the last remaining Source blood.

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kes
December 30th, 2008, 04:17 AM
So did it air???? Spoilers ppl LOL

Bagpuss
December 30th, 2008, 06:29 AM
Yes.It aired .:D

Summary and opinion below the tags.Don't click if you want to watch unspoiled .


Opening scene : an unmanned drone plane drops what Henry later calls a dispersal device ,which explodes in the frozen north.A thick green gas quickly rises from the wreckage and disperses.
A Walrus-faced Abnormal inhales the gas while he's out wood-cutting.He then goes back to a cabin and axe-murders his friends there.

At the Sanctuary,Helen and the gang are mulling over their computer screens and displays trying to work out wth is going on.
Reports have been coming in about violent attacks on humans by Abnormals.

Bigfoot answers the door to John Druitt,and reluctantly admits him after JD tells him he's come to help with the problem.
(He's been to Ground Zero and brings fragments from the wreckage for examination.)

Helen and Co don't trust JD,but realise he's valuable .Once he's been checked for contagion etc ,he joins in the investigation.

Helen has received a telegram from Sir James Watson ( head of the UK Sanctuary,played by Peter Wingfield) inviting himself to come join the party.He brings Walrus-guy's body and at least one other corpse for PM .

It transpires that Sir James is the sharp brained ,hyper observant doctor the Holmes books and character were based on by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
He has to wear a support frame of sorts to keep mobile,but his mind is as sharp as ever.

Cabal Female boss and her creepy underlings get their scenes :
The Cabal are behind the gas release and also have a much bigger plan and device set to go off within 3 days.
They want Helen to get involved ,and their aim is to collect and capture the Five once they 've recovered the "Source blood" .
They also want to destroy the Abnormals using ..you guessed it : the device ,the downfall of the Five and the infection and death of the independant Sanctuary-based Abnormals.
( Or something like that !)

Helen suspects that she,Watson and Druitt are immune to the effects of the gas. Theoretically ,then,so are Tesla and Griffin .
Postmortem on Walrus-guy shows he was suffering from a Prion-like something or other that caused psychosis and the violence against humans.
( Will have to rewatch on Wednesday to hear that diagnosis .)

Henry finds a tiny vial left intact amid the wreckage JD brought back.From the type of pathogen,and knowing what they do of the Cabal,it's not hard for Helen to pin the whole thing onto them.


Bigfoot suddenly collapses in the Hallways ,coughing blood and in a v bad way.
He has the disease,and is confined to an isolation room.Without a cure ,he'll become rabidly psychotic and die .
Helen and Co don't know exactly how he became a victim ,but it seems the particles may have been brought in on JD's clothing or maybe Walrus-guy's body.
(Imo,the Cabal knew that Magnus would send someone to Ground Zero,and JD was an innocent carrier...but there's a long way to go in this two-parter.;))

Helen wants to get the Five back together and use their hidden "keys" to unlock a vault containing the last of the "Source" blood they'd used to become the Five back in the 1800's .Gregory Magnus had made sure nobody aside from the five using their powers and acting in unison could ever access the blood.

Tesla is kinda awol and Griffin is actually dead.
However ,Griffin left a daughter who Helen is convinced has Dad's power : Griffin was the real Invisible Man.

JD teleports Will to Baton Rouge to track down the daughter.They meet a young woman who tells them that Griffin's daughter died too.

Will and JD visit the daughter's grave thinking they've reached a dead end.
( Yes,the pun is mine and intentional !)
They realise that they've been followed and observed by someone using invisibility.

Will turns the graveyard sprinklers on, and the water reveals the young lady they'd prev met :ie Griffin's grand-daughter.She tries to flee but JD catches her easily.

Once they let the girl get dressed ,they take her back to the main Sanctuary.She doesn't want to help them ,but is talked round by Will.:)

Helen risks her life by going into Bigfoot's room against Watson's advice to take a blood sample to inject herself with .She gets a quick slamming,but has the sense to stun Bigfoot before he does her any more harm.

Ashley and Henry have gone with Helen's reluctant permission to the Cabal's weapon lab to sabotage their efforts,but are captured.
Again the Cabal head knew they'd be coming.Boss lady has plans for Ashley..but exactly what ,will come clear in part two.
( Boy they know Ashley so well..she's restrained in a chair ,drugged by the scientists,but just in case she gets free ,the area around the chair is electrified.)

Helen and the others plan to travel to the source blood and Helen seems to think that she can use her own key plus Tesla's ,Griffin's grand-daughter can use his,and Watson and Druitt are willing to operate their own keys.

However,once JD teleports them all to the site in India....there's no City,no path,no labyrinth...cut to the credits

Will have to rewatch on Wednesday as some parts need a second view to make sure I heard correctly...and that I've put down the right order of main events ,or at least as close as possible.:)

dipsofjazz
December 30th, 2008, 08:46 AM
Yes.It aired .:D

Summary and opinion below the tags.Don't click if you want to watch unspoiled .

<snippety snip>

Will have to rewatch on Wednesday as some parts need a second view to make sure I heard correctly...and that I've put down the right order of main events ,or at least as close as possible.:)

:D Phew! I'm exhausted reading that, so I'm glad it was you that wrote it all down. Well done, Baggy.

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, as there was so much happening in it.
We had a lot of information given, plus there were some really funny quotes from Helen (but I'll have to re-watch to get them right for you all). Oh.....and time is running out before all hell breaks loose!

I can't wait for next week. :D

The Ori
December 30th, 2008, 08:48 AM
Go to itv.com/catchup (http://www.itv.com/catchup)

I don't know if this will work for USA peeps or not! But Just go to 29th December or any way you can find to Sanctuary and it should be there!

tze
December 30th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Go to itv.com/catchup (http://www.itv.com/catchup)

I don't know if this will work for USA peeps or not! But Just go to 29th December or any way you can find to Sanctuary and it should be there!

No, the USA can't view the itv player. :( **tears of unfathomable sadness**

dipsofjazz
December 30th, 2008, 10:11 AM
:D I have re-watched this episode and have thought about a couple of things.

The code name for the bio-hazard is "Lazarus" which, I think, has to do with rising from the dead. I wonder why they call it this? Interesting.

The Cabal seem to know everything that is happening at the Sanctuary, which makes me wonder if Helen's Dad did plant something to pass on this information, or that there's a spy within the Sanctuary.

Quotes that made me laugh:

Helen - "Forgive my scepticism, John, but your version of altruism is just behind the scorpion's."

Helen (doing a post-mortem) - "The abnormal is a mélange of human and walrus."
Watson - "Coo-coo ca choo."

Helen - "No offence, Henry, but you don't graduate from Eagle Scout to James Bond overnight."

ori soldier
December 30th, 2008, 10:14 AM
this ep was so slow nothing happened its a good set up for the next ep but in terms of what actually happened answer nothing

kes
December 30th, 2008, 10:46 AM
Dammit I still cant find this ep!

The Kit Kat Lady
December 30th, 2008, 02:58 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode despite the fact that certain things that happened were so obvious, ie Ashley/Henry. Having said that, it also had some nice twists in it which have been left hanging for (hopefully) part two, ie Ashley and Henry (again) and even the end of the episode.

One of the things I'm really starting to enjoy is seeing Helen's sense of humour coming out - we got plenty of that in the original webisodes but in the early episodes it has been lacking - glad to see it coming through in the second half of the season and I hope they continue with it in S2.

I have a feeling we will be left with lots of questions for them to play around with for S2 - I for one would love to see more of Helen's backstory explored and how decisions she made say 50 years earlier have shaped her into the person she is today. What would also be interesting is if someone from her past who has aged naturally were to see her and question why she hasn't aged at all, or indeed very slowly.

I would also like to know more about the Cabal - I know that we may find out more in the second part, but I can't see them delving too much into who they are or why they are around, or perhaps even what they are trying to do - but will more likely scratch the surface.

Overall I've enjoyed the first season and look forward to more during 2009.

Elaine :sam:

Jonzey
December 30th, 2008, 04:54 PM
Good episode, One major problem I had with it:

Why do the Himalayas in northern India look like a forest in Canada? Come on, I thought the whole green screen would help them get away from that.

Mousie
December 31st, 2008, 12:57 AM
Yeah the Henry/Ashley thing was obvious - like the Cabal would leave their bases undefended right before they where about to launch an offensive!

Overall it was a very good episode, like Ori said it was rather slow, but that didn't bother me.

There where lots of good bits, like Will's reaction to Helen asking him to go with John to retrieve Griffin's daughter and his reaction to being 'warped' around!

The scene with Watson and Druitt sitting in the lounge drinking brandy/whiskey? trading barbs with Will looking on was amusing.

I'm looking forward to part 2 with excitement and sadness. Excitement as it looks like it will be a good episode and sadness as it will be the last for a while!

Bagpuss
December 31st, 2008, 01:32 AM
:D Phew! I'm exhausted reading that, so I'm glad it was you that wrote it all down. Well done, Baggy.
It was fun.despite me originally typing Khmer Rouge instead of Baton Rouge. :D


:D I have re-watched this episode and have thought about a couple of things.

The code name for the bio-hazard is "Lazarus" which, I think, has to do with rising from the dead. I wonder why they call it this? Interesting.

The Cabal seem to know everything that is happening at the Sanctuary, which makes me wonder if Helen's Dad did plant something to pass on this information, or that there's a spy within the Sanctuary.
Pure speculation for part 2Lazarus in the bible rose from the dead.The original vampires the source blood came from are an extinct race.
Could the Cabal be planning to use the source blood to resurrect a now extinct Abnormal or create their own super-vampires to battle against Tesla's vamp squad ?
The serum would be a huge advantage if given to the Cabal's Abnormal "soldiers".

I think also that either Gregory Magnus bugged the Sanctuary,or John isn't quite as "cured" as he seems...clue possibly in part 1 :he fooled Helen and even Watson at the time of the Whitechapel murders.
It might not even turn out to be John's conscious intention to help the Cabal. He could have been brainwashed ,and his subconscious programmed to change sides anytime.He could be Sanctuary's Zatarc.




I thoroughly enjoyed this episode despite the fact that certain things that happened were so obvious, ie Ashley/Henry. Having said that, it also had some nice twists in it which have been left hanging for (hopefully) part two, ie Ashley and Henry (again) and even the end of the episode.
Great post ,imo.:)
LOL,yes.Getting caught was very predictable.
The twists were worth it though,and I'm itching to find out just what the Cabal want from Ashley and Henry.:cool:
I'm looking forward to S2 as well,and to finding out more about Helen/Cabal backstory.


Good episode, One major problem I had with it:

Why do the Himalayas in northern India look like a forest in Canada? Come on, I thought the whole green screen would help them get away from that.
Good point ! :D

LizzieAnne
December 31st, 2008, 06:16 AM
Go to itv.com/catchup (http://www.itv.com/catchup)

I don't know if this will work for USA peeps or not! But Just go to 29th December or any way you can find to Sanctuary and it should be there!

This catch-up player is a godsend. It works really well too- no buffering! Couldn't watch the ep on Monday TV and will be out tonight.
Anyway..... I really, really loved this episode. It didn't feel slow to me. More like full of interesting little character pieces and a gradual moving forward of the story arc.
I loved seeing
Peter Wingfield as Sir James Watson and yep it was predictable that Henry and Ashley would get caught but it was none the worse for that.

It will be bitter sweet watching next weeks episode. It is the finale isn't it? Damn.

Tittamiire
December 31st, 2008, 09:10 AM
Really enjoyed this one...of course.

I loved Ashley and Henry teaming up...predictable they were going to get caught, but awesome nonetheless.

I kinda liked seeing the onset of desperation and how differently Helen, Ashley and Henry all deal with it.

Poor Biggie, and so well done too...he's still him even as he's losing it.

Roll on Part 2!

Mousie
December 31st, 2008, 03:17 PM
I wonder what Helen's other ability is going to be? She has to have one based on what they said about the trial, that her father had tailored it so that they each needed their special ability to get to their key, and then Will (I think) said to Helen "was yours staying alive long enough to turn up for the meeting" (Anyone got the proper quote?)

Therefore I'd imagine she has to have some other ability unique to her that would be trial worthy.....

Bagpuss
December 31st, 2008, 03:27 PM
When Helen and Watson were doing the autopsy,she said her gift was longevity ,but I think she's got another gift.
She seemed certain she can use Tesla's "key",so I'm wondering what's special to him and Helen ,given that she isn't a vampire.:S

Mousie
December 31st, 2008, 03:41 PM
I think that Helen meant that her father would probably have built some failsafes into the trials so that if one of them had died and hadn't passed their ability on to a child that the trial would somehow detect that perhaps and still allow them to complete the tests. I didn't see it as Helen saying she could complete Tesla's trial because she had a similar ability to him, simply that they would be able to retrieve it another way.

Anyway it's certainly going to be an interesting season finale and rolll on Monday!

Bagpuss
December 31st, 2008, 03:52 PM
Failsafes would be very wise,so I bet you're right .I just like chasing loose ends and possible clues.:D

tze
December 31st, 2008, 04:04 PM
Someone on another board compared The Five to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which is just perfect.

The Cabal seems to have inside info on the Sanctuary; if there is a traitor, Watson had better not turn out to be evil. First, because it reflects poorly on Helen's judgment if all of her friends try to kill her. Second, because Peter Wingfield is a living god and I cannot worship him if he isn't on my screen on at least a recurring basis. Third, because based on their incredibly similar gifts, I have decided that Watson is (unknowingly) Will's father, and we've already done the whole 'my long-lost father is evil' plot with Druitt/Ashley. (Children have been a huge theme throughout the season--John and Helen with Ashley, Griffin and his daughter and granddaughter--heck, even Tesla and his 'mini-me's'. Watson is the only one who hasn't contributed, dangit, and the whole 'profiling' scene kind of beat us over the head with Watson/Will parallels.)

I love this group's decision-making skills: 'We need someone to accompany Jack the Ripper and make sure he doesn't go on a psychotic murder spree. I know! Let's choose the one of us who is least capable of defending himself in a fight!' Poor Will.

Is it wrong that I want to see Magnus/Druitt/Watson/Tesla (because you just know he isn't really dead) join forces and fight crime? Or that I really, really want a flashback to the time Tesla fell asleep in Edison's electric chair?

RealmOfX
January 1st, 2009, 01:25 AM
Finally found the ep :D

Yay! I picked it (first time for everything ;) ) - Griffin was the Invisible Man.

I really enjoyed this episode but I have a screaming headache so I'm going to watch it again tomorrow when I can concentrate more, I missed some of the dialogue. There was a lot of exposition in this ep but it didn't seem slow to me. Lots of character bits and one liners :D

I'm really looking forward to the second part BUT it's the last episode of the season :( We haz to waitz months for Season 2 - no fair!!

*kicks Aussie networks - get a move on & put this puppy on will ya*

Chelle DB
January 1st, 2009, 04:41 AM
:D Phew! I'm exhausted reading that, so I'm glad it was you that wrote it all down. Well done, Baggy.
I concur...thank you Bagpuss...I only have til late Saturday/early Sunday to wait but this should keep me sane til then!! :D

Chelle DB
January 1st, 2009, 04:50 AM
*kicks Aussie networks - get a move on & put this puppy on will ya*
What do you think the chances are that Australia will get it?? Have you seen the line up for next this years new programs??? I'm not surprised but bitterly disappointed!

I haven't seen the new ep yet but if I had to make a guess on who could possibly be the mole in the Sanctuary then I would say it could be John or...and I have no idea why this popped up in my head...but what about Sophie? She was kinda psychic right? Maybe she can read what's happening there and relay it to the Cabal...willingly or not!
Of course the other choice could be Tesla...maybe he and the Cabal are working together now to make the army of vampires a reality.

sweetviviane
January 1st, 2009, 03:29 PM
i'm so happy... i live in germany wich sadly means no sanctuary :( but luckily i just had the chance to watch revelations....yay^^
I really loved this episode and i can't wait for the second part.

By the way does anybody know when they are going to shoot season 2 of sanctuary ?

RealmOfX
January 1st, 2009, 03:44 PM
i'm so happy... i live in germany wich sadly means no sanctuary :( but luckily i just had the chance to watch revelations....yay^^
I really loved this episode and i can't wait for the second part.

By the way does anybody know when they are going to shoot season 2 of sanctuary ?

They are supposed to be back breaking stories this month but I haven't heard when filming recommences. There's a 29 week lead time for an ep so it should be relatively soon.

bossluna
January 1st, 2009, 10:01 PM
"the odd un--natural pause..."

awesome episode! with each revelation I was progressively impressed and reminded why I love this show so much!

I'd like to say more but I'll wait 'til everyone's seen it. only one more day anyways. one very very long day i'm sure. ;)

the banter between the characters was the best part about this episode. LOVED IT!!!

Amaunet
January 1st, 2009, 10:03 PM
*bounces around the room* Revelations was awesome, It was great seeing everyone together and an enjoyable lead up to whats coming...I’m looking forward to seeing part 2 :D :D

Mousie
January 2nd, 2009, 03:58 AM
I found it interesting that the pan down into the central hub of the complex (Where Sally and 2 face have their rooms) showed that the building above was ruined and falling down. Perhaps all of the buildings we see above ground are not in use.

kes
January 2nd, 2009, 05:13 AM
Ok, finally saw this ep:

Someone said, not sure if it was here, that Helen must have more then longevity (sp) because aside form Griffin they were all alive. But it was obvious that Watson is some sort of cyborg (used is inteligence to build something to keep him alive), Druitt is alive because of Helens blood (she gave him a bit of longevity (sp)) and Tesla is a vamp LOL

That said.
I really liked the ep. i think it builds for the next ep.really well.


I also read an interview or news that Emilie (Ashley) was staring in a tv show called Jpod or something like that. Is that old news. Cos if it isnt how can she do both shows?
Think they'll kill Emilie and make Helen go dark side?

It feels kinda obvious that they'll use Ash agaisnt Helen. it feels like that is the plan they have for her. Of course I could be wrong LOL

Mousie
January 2nd, 2009, 05:30 AM
As for Emilie in other shows, I know season 1 was filmed very rapidly but maybe they have a bit more time now, also as it's only 13 episodes they don't spend as long filming as full season shows which would allow time to do other stuff if they can work the schedules out.

She's also not in every scene which would give her more time free - she wasn't in Requiem at all.

kes
January 2nd, 2009, 06:15 AM
As for Emilie in other shows, I know season 1 was filmed very rapidly but maybe they have a bit more time now, also as it's only 13 episodes they don't spend as long filming as full season shows which would allow time to do other stuff if they can work the schedules out.

She's also not in every scene which would give her more time free - she wasn't in Requiem at all.

Yeh, but she is a regular in the show so... Even if they schedual around her, it wont leave time to do another show full time. Even if it is a 13 ep show aswell. Guest star ok. Half a season maybe. I mean doesnt the women rest?

Mousie
January 2nd, 2009, 06:26 AM
The daughter of Helen Magnus doesn't need rest!

Mousie
January 2nd, 2009, 06:32 AM
Regarding Jpod, I've just looked at it on IMDB and it looked like they filmed 13 episodes and according to the user commentary it's been cancelled. That seems a shame as it looks like it won a couple awards - Best Guest Performance by a Male in a Dramatic Series (Ryan Robbins!) and Best Lead Performance by a Female in a Dramatic Series (Emilie Ullerup)


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1024701/

Bagpuss
January 2nd, 2009, 06:44 AM
I concur...thank you Bagpuss...I only have til late Saturday/early Sunday to wait but this should keep me sane til then!! :D
You're v welcome,Chelle .Waiting's never fun,but Rev p1 is worth it ,imo.:D

I'm a bit surprised none of the Australian tv channels have picked up Sanctuary yet.Hopefully that will be redressed soon.:)



I found it interesting that the pan down into the central hub of the complex (Where Sally and 2 face have their rooms) showed that the building above was ruined and falling down. Perhaps all of the buildings we see above ground are not in use.
Well spotted ! :cool:


Ok, finally saw this ep:

Someone said, not sure if it was here, that Helen must have more then longevity (sp) because aside form Griffin they were all alive. But it was obvious that Watson is some sort of cyborg (used is inteligence to build something to keep him alive), Druitt is alive because of Helens blood (she gave him a bit of longevity (sp)) and Tesla is a vamp LOL


Glad you've seen the ep at last ! I think Watson's possibly only alive because of cyborg tech as well.:)




I also read an interview or news that Emilie (Ashley) was staring in a tv show called Jpod or something like that. Is that old news. Cos if it isnt how can she do both shows?
Think they'll kill Emilie and make Helen go dark side?

It feels kinda obvious that they'll use Ash agaisnt Helen. it feels like that is the plan they have for her. Of course I could be wrong LOL

Yes.I think Ashley is definitely going to be used//programmed against Helen,but I'm hoping they don't kill her off.I think EU will fit her Sanctuary role around jpod's schedule .:)

ETA :

Regarding Jpod, I've just looked at it on IMDB and it looked like they filmed 13 episodes and according to the user commentary it's been cancelled. That seems a shame as it looks like it won a couple awards - Best Guest Performance by a Male in a Dramatic Series (Ryan Robbins!) and Best Lead Performance by a Female in a Dramatic Series (Emilie Ullerup)


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1024701/
*Sigh* On second thought ...scrap the double scheduling headache for EU.:(

djsava
January 2nd, 2009, 11:41 AM
I thought that Druitt teleported into the future from victorian time's arriving at the time of the 1st episode (which was lucky other wise he could have missed all 13 episodes if he had overshot).
Which because Helen belived he was no longer alive that she could give birth to Ashley.

kes
January 2nd, 2009, 01:53 PM
I thought that Druitt teleported into the future from victorian time's arriving at the time of the 1st episode (which was lucky other wise he could have missed all 13 episodes if he had overshot).
Which because Helen belived he was no longer alive that she could give birth to Ashley.


Hmm not buying it. I dont think his ability works that way. To much. Plus how would he know where to "port"?
And from Enlgand to somewhere USA??
I think she thought he was dead because he didnt show up for so long. And maybe that her blood couldnt keep him alive that long.



*Sigh* On second thought ...scrap the double scheduling headache for EU.:(
LOL

Rocky89
January 2nd, 2009, 08:02 PM
OK, I just saw Revelations, Part 1 and WOW things are getting serious ;). I thought this was a cool episode, it told some good stories and it was good to see more Druitt with :). The episode starts with a "Previously on Sanctuary" with Helen saying the words again, and we see clips from The Five and Warriors, after that we find a plane flying over a mountain in a forest, it drops a bomb and it blows and all this gas is released into the air. Then we find an abnormal chopping wood, then he gets infected with the gas, he then finds a camper and his wife (I think she was his wife) and they acted like they all knew each other. But then the abnormal came at they guy with an axe and killed him while the lady screamed :eek:.

After the opening credits we find the team investing what's happening with the abnormals, I can't remember a little bit :o, so I skip a bit :o, we later find Bigfoot opening the front door, when he does, he finds Druitt outside, after he tells Bigfoot he has info that can help Helen, he lets him in. In the lab, Ashely isn't too happy to see John (No surprise there :P) and he shows them them something he recovered from ground zero, Henry goes to work on finding out what it is, and Helen warns John that he'll be in a cell with a shield to prevent him from teleporting away. Later Helen gets a letter from an old friend. :)

Later in the Cabal building, we find the boss lady from Warriors talking with a scientist about their plan with the drug against abnormals, then back at the Sanctuary Helen opens the door (in a very nice dress btw :samanime51:) and she finds he friend James (played by Peter Wingfield). They discuss what's happening and I like how when he met Will they started probing/profiling each other :D. Helen tells Will that James is the actual Sherlock Homes. Afterwards she explains to him what she meant and how she's worried about what will happen if they become affected as well. And I liked the little reference to Requiem, Will says Helen and Will say they don't want to go through that again but I do ;). I really liked the scene with John and James, because according to history they were big enemies at some point in time, and yet they were able to sit there together like gentleman :).

I'm not going to bore with one of my big reviews, so I'll give you the short version starting now :D.I thought this episode was very well act, and I liked how it had to do a lot with The Five and how they cure could be in their blood (according to Helen ;)) It was good seeing everyone working together to find the solution, and I liked the scene where Will and John find the invisible girl (But not for the reason you think :p). After Bigfoot got infected, I thought the scenes with him and Helen were really wicked, I love Helen's looks on her face, you could tell she was scared :P. And later when she went in there with him, I was scared for her :eek:. I liked the Helen and Ashley moment before Ashley and Henry went on their mission, and now I'm worried for them too after seeing them being caught. Helen's "Suck it up" line was so funny, and I thought the ending was so wicked, seeing that place in India destroyed.

I still want to see how they can get the five keys without Tesla, and I can't wait to see next week-- the season finale :(, but thankfully not the series finale :). I'm also looking forward to seeing the webisodes on TV, I've never seen them, so it should be cool seeing them on TV ;).

Skydiver
January 2nd, 2009, 08:14 PM
i enjoyed the writing in this one. very snappy comebacks and snarks. i literally laughed out loud.

now, ash and henry getting caught....saw that coming a mile away. If watson is really working for the kabal and is evil....dude, that'll be another cliche too. please don't do it.

i know someone has to be and given druitt and the new girl, well watson's kinda the only one left by elimination, but i really hope he isn't or that he's not working with them to get his hands on that blood.

i noticed the ruined edifice over the sanctuary....so, are they keeping that low of a profile? or what's the story behind the ruins?

and i think helen loves to name drop, i thikn she gets a bang out of shocking with who's who and all that.

and yes, India did look a lot like BC didn't it? then again, so does ecuador (evolution stargate eps)

a chunk of exposition, yes, but sometimes it's fun to get the info dump just to find out what's going on in the universe

dasNdanger
January 2nd, 2009, 09:15 PM
Between this ep, and SGA, I'm depressed out of my skull.

I didn't like the preview for next week - I wonder if Bigfoot dies - which I will HATE - and Henry takes his place as resident furry. I will also hate it if Henry dies, and that new chick joins the team. Basically...I'm tired of losing my favorite characters, and I am seriously thinking of dropping tv all together after next week.

I really need to start watching the Wiggles, or something...


das

chocdoc
January 2nd, 2009, 09:22 PM
Great episode! I enjoyed it the whole way through and can't wait for part 2.

I have this feeling that they will leave us with a whopper of a cliffhanger next week!!!

The show for me continues to get better and better (with a not so good episode every so often). I like it more and more, as well as all the characters.

Too tired to say more, but thanks Sanctuary Team for a great episode.

Briangate78
January 2nd, 2009, 09:32 PM
Excellent episode. A big turnaround from last week's below par ep. I find the story behind the five very interesting. It looks like in the previews the other five member returns from the dead, wait isn't he undead? :p I am curious how they will solve the problem and find the source. Part 2 looks very promising. Cannot wait! :)

tze
January 2nd, 2009, 09:49 PM
If watson is really working for the kabal and is evil....dude, that'll be another cliche too. please don't do it.

Heh. I think a lot of the 'Watson is really evil' ideas are coming about because Watson is made of awesomeness, and us poor TV viewers are so accustomed to heartache that we're steeling ourselves for the worst. :)

In Favor of Watson Being Evil:
1) He's against searching for the Source blood. If the Cabal wants its plan to go forward, it won't want the Five to get the Source blood.
2) He clearly has issues with his declining health; maybe the Cabal offered him a way to 'heal' himself?
3) He had Arthur Conan Doyle make Watson Holmes's sidekick; similarly Watson, as head of Helen's satellite Sanctuary in the UK, would presumably be answerable to her (though we know she hasn't enforced any such right). Why would the brilliant Watson be so fond of playing second fiddle if he had nothing to hide?

Against Watson Being Evil:
1) He's against searching for the Source blood; we know the Cabal is interested in the Source blood (the doctor bemoaned Gregory Magnus's unhelpfulness in that regard), and if he was working with the Cabal, you'd think Watson would have been a bit more gung-ho vis a vis the mission (so he could steal the blood).
2) Although he has issues with his declining health, you'd think he'd be too smart to trust the Cabal--I mean, the 5 together managed to gain near-immorality (or at least extremely extended life) along with superhuman abilities; has the Cabal managed anything similar, to make him trust their aid over Helen's?
3) He had severe issues with Druitt's reign as the Ripper; why would someone so dedicated to justice choose to align himself with a group like the Cabal?
4) The brief discussion between Dana Whitcomb and her acolytes seemed to indicate that the 5 were operating as a unit against the Cabal. Granted, info about a traitor might be on a need-to-know basis; however, her word choice, coupled with the one doctor's fear of the combined power of the 5, gives no indication of a traitor.
5) He's a snarky steampunk version of the Bionic Man. Such awesomeness cannot be evil.


On another note: everyone always refers to 'The Five'. Griffin is dead and Tesla is, if not dead, then at least off doing his own thing. At best they're dealing with 'The Three'. Odd that the Cabal, with their sources of info, wouldn't acknowledge this. (The scene w/Dana Whitcomb and acolytes sounded like they were expecting the entire Five to be constituted.)

Although, as Tesla fell asleep in Edison's electric chair at full current (I want this flashback and I want it now), I doubt Druitt really managed to kill him. And I wonder if Griffin is really dead? In The Five, we definitely hear Peter Wingfield's voice offscreen so Watson had already been cast, and we definitely heard Griffin. I wonder if Griffin will eventually be shown to be alive somewhere (amnesiac, faked his death, etc.)?

EvenstarSRV
January 2nd, 2009, 11:30 PM
Good episode, a lot of exposition but it seems like a necessary info dump to set up the second part. And it was spread out among some great character moments that were fun to watch, my favorites being Watson and Druitt's chat and Henry and Ashley convincing Helen to let them to go the cabal facility, especially the looks between Ashley and Helen.

The previews for part 2 look good, and it looks Sanctuary is going to end on a high note. I've thoroughly enjoyed this season and I can't wait until season 2. At least I'll have BSG to tide me over until then. :)

hisg1fans
January 3rd, 2009, 05:25 AM
Have to watch again. So much stuff. Plus, I'm going to have to go back and watch WilliHulk again to see if I can see what Helen's Dad is up to. More later.

Chelle DB
January 3rd, 2009, 06:14 AM
Oh wow...I just woke up about 50 minutes ago and of course my priority was to watch Sanctuary...and it was soo worth the early morning rise...it's 1am here!
I think I almost love this ep more than Requiem...the only thing I didn't like was that I now have to wait for part 2!!! I don't do too well with 2 parters or cliffhangers!
But anyhoo, I just adored this ep for so many reasons...I love Watson...oh please please please don't let him be the spy in the Sanctuary!
I love Druitt...no news there...but I do!!:D
I still do not like the Cabal leader...Dana Whitecome(sp?)...she just rubs me the wrong way.
Love Henry yet again...how could one not love this man!!...Gumby indeed!!:P:P
Poor Biggie...we still have no name for him...but poor big fella.:( I loved how he went nuts then gained some composure long enough to look into Helen's eyes to tell her to not release him...that was just sad and beautiful! And then when he threw her into the glass/perspex wall....I'm assuming Helen didn't get his blood after all!!
I think one of my favourite scenes is when Watson and Druitt had their little chat over a brandy...and Will's fascination in them both...it was just a great scene!!
I can't elaborate much right now as I'm kinda a little tired and in serious need of coffee so I'll have to pop back another time to add my few cents!!
But overall...I loved this ep. Has to be up there with Requiem for sure.

kes
January 3rd, 2009, 07:46 AM
Nice catch on the damaged roof. I didnt pay much attention to it. It could have been done on pourpose (sp). So that light could came in. I mean it is obvious there's a protection above the center thingy LOL

Chelle DB
January 3rd, 2009, 08:54 AM
Nice catch on the damaged roof. I didnt pay much attention to it. It could have been done on pourpose (sp). So that light could came in. I mean it is obvious there's a protection above the center thingy LOL
I noticed that...about the damaged roof...what is all that about?? I'm assuming I missed something.

jasminaGo
January 3rd, 2009, 09:23 AM
Great episode. A little predictable, but fun none the less, and a great set up for the finale.

The best part for me were all the little character moments. John coming back (awesome scene with Bigfoot :p), Watson and Will observing each other, the boys chat over brandy (Will was acting like a kid with a new toy), the look Helen and Ashley shared right before Ashley left with Henry was more powerful then that anything that could have been said. Then of course it was all the Helen/Watson flirting.

"What worries me is that gleam in your eyes"
"Suck it up Jimmy..."

Gotta love Helen. :)

I'll go into the plot later on, after I've seen the second part. For now I can just say that I hope that Watson doesn't turn out the be a traitor, I think it would be much more fun if it's John.

Chelle DB
January 3rd, 2009, 09:33 AM
Between this ep, and SGA, I'm depressed out of my skull.
I didn't like the preview for next week - I wonder if Bigfoot dies - which I will HATE - and Henry takes his place as resident furry. I will also hate it if Henry dies, and that new chick joins the team. Basically...I'm tired of losing my favorite characters, and I am seriously thinking of dropping tv all together after next week.
I really need to start watching the Wiggles, or something...
das
Dude...I hope Greg...the yellow Wiggle...wasn't your favourite Wiggle...coz he's no longer a Wiggle!!;)
I don't think we will lose anyone just yet...in fact I only hope we get to keep Watson...I think I love this guy!!!:P

jckfan55
January 3rd, 2009, 09:37 AM
Great episode. A little predictable, but fun none the less, and a great set up for the finale.

The best part for me were all the little character moments. John coming back (awesome scene with Bigfoot :p), Watson and Will observing each other, the boys chat over brandy (Will was acting like a kid with a new toy), the look Helen and Ashley shared right before Ashley left with Henry was more powerful then that anything that could have been said. Then of course it was all the Helen/Watson flirting.

"What worries me is that gleam in your eyes"
"Suck it up Jimmy..."

Gotta love Helen. :)

I'll go into the plot later on, after I've seen the second part. For now I can just say that I hope that Watson doesn't turn out the be a traitor, I think it would be much more fun if it's John.

:indeed: The character moments are always the highlight for me and you've mentioned some good ones.

I also loved Watson's comment about Helen's tendency to jump off a cliff & then hoping to sprout wings.

If Watson turns out to be the traitor I will be royally ticked. :(

A lot of setup in this one, but enjoyable. Looking forward to the finale.

kes
January 3rd, 2009, 11:11 AM
I noticed that...about the damaged roof...what is all that about?? I'm assuming I missed something.

Not unless it is used for the 2nd part. Maybe the traitor is the flying creature we saw in the pilot LOL

Skydiver
January 3rd, 2009, 11:12 AM
ashley and henry getting caught was very predicitble

i think that was the biggest down part, them making a silly decision to facilitate the plot for part 2

ScifigirlSG
January 3rd, 2009, 11:41 AM
I'm hoping it's not Watson either, but I'm thinking that it's the invisible girl. She allowed herself to be caught by Druitt and Will. I'll even take a guess and say that her mother isn't dead either.

LOL...I agree with the scenery.

kes
January 3rd, 2009, 12:00 PM
I'm hoping it's not Watson either, but I'm thinking that it's the invisible girl. She allowed herself to be caught by Druitt and Will. I'll even take a guess and say that her mother isn't dead either.

LOL...I agree with the scenery.

She just got there She wouldnt know all the previous stuff.

NearlyCircular
January 3rd, 2009, 12:02 PM
I don't really think that there is a traitor. While he was in the Sanctuary, Helen's father reported back to the Cabal, saying "Magnus is coming along just fine. The asset is in place." It's about halfway into the show, just before a commercial.

The reference to Helen might just have been about her acceptance of him, but I think that he planted something so that the Cabal could spy on Sanctuary. Of course, an even more interesting scenario would be if he managed to implant some kind of subliminal command into Helen.

NC

kes
January 3rd, 2009, 12:05 PM
I thought that Druitt teleported into the future from victorian time's arriving at the time of the 1st episode (which was lucky other wise he could have missed all 13 episodes if he had overshot).
Which because Helen belived he was no longer alive that she could give birth to Ashley.


Hmm not buying it. I dont think his ability works that way. To much. Plus how would he know where to "port"?
And from Enlgand to somewhere USA??
I think she thought he was dead because he didnt show up for so long. And maybe that her blood couldnt keep him alive that long.


I was zapping thu the webisodes and Ash does call Druitt a "lunatic time traveler" or something like that. But in the eps Magnus says to Will that she gave him her blood to prolonge his life (and that is when things went terribly wrong.)

kes
January 3rd, 2009, 12:08 PM
I don't really think that there is a traitor. While he was in the Sanctuary, Helen's father reported back to the Cabal, saying "Magnus is coming along just fine. The asset is in place." It's about halfway into the show, just before a commercial.

The reference to Helen might just have been about her acceptance of him, but I think that he planted something so that the Cabal could spy on Sanctuary. Of course, an even more interesting scenario would be if he managed to implant some kind of subliminal command into Helen.

NC

Have you seen the trailer for part 2. Seems like she's pointing the gun at someone and looking very hurt.
It could be someone is unwittingly giving info. Like a bug in the big guys neckless :D If it is a bug it has to move along because just one place wouldnt catch everything.

SamJackShipper93
January 3rd, 2009, 12:19 PM
I love this episode!

Loved
~ The ep is using all main characters in the story line (although I enjoyed Requiem, I like episodes where the gang's all there!)
~ DRUITT! Wa-hoo! I love the character and I love Chris Heyerdahl. As much as he makes a great villian, I really, really hope his personality change after "The Five" is permanent. (And I also enjoyed the scene with him and Bigfoot! :P)
~ Love the duo of Ashley and Henry, and loved the line about Ashley calling him "Gumby"!

Disliked
~ Not to keen on the invisible girl (Can't remember her name). Maybe I'll warm-up to her a little more next week.


Who was the male scientist following Dana Whitcomb around. I think I remember seeing the actor somewhere (on SG-1?), but I can't remember.

I really hope Bigfoot's okay! I really want to learn more about his character, and he doesn't deserve to bite the dust!

Can't wait 'til next week! Looks incredible, and looks like Tesla's back! (He was on the promo, but I'm sure it could just be a flashback or something!) Still, I'm hopeful! :)

EvenstarSRV
January 3rd, 2009, 12:37 PM
I don't really think that there is a traitor. While he was in the Sanctuary, Helen's father reported back to the Cabal, saying "Magnus is coming along just fine. The asset is in place." It's about halfway into the show, just before a commercial.

The reference to Helen might just have been about her acceptance of him, but I think that he planted something so that the Cabal could spy on Sanctuary. Of course, an even more interesting scenario would be if he managed to implant some kind of subliminal command into Helen.

NC

I agree, I really don't think Watson will betray them, since Helen seems to trust him to run the UK Sanctuary and I think she's been shown to be a pretty good judge of character. In The Five it was pretty clear that Helen never really liked or trusted Tesla, so his betrayal made more sense even though he was one of the Five.

I wonder if the 'asset' Helen's father may have put in place was a dispersal canister of the Cabal neurotoxin, meant to directly target all the abnormals the cabal must know are in the Sanctuary. It'd be a pretty effective way of distracting Helen from stopping them if she's tied up trying to maintain control of her Sanctuary.

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
January 3rd, 2009, 01:31 PM
Who was the male scientist following Dana Whitcomb around. I think I remember seeing the actor somewhere (on SG-1?), but I can't remember.




He was in Season 6 of SG-1 , "Memento", I believe. He was the scientist or archeologist that helped Jonas and Teal'c find the Stargate.


I also hope Watson isn't the traitor because, I believe that Watson is Tanith from SG-1. So if he's evil again that's just type casting and type casting is wrong.

Skydiver
January 3rd, 2009, 02:19 PM
the one that's gonna be henry's 'doctor'....like kratos said, he was in memento, he played Tarek Soloman, the leader of hte 'followers of horus' that remembered the planet's goa'uld laced past.

Klenotka
January 3rd, 2009, 03:38 PM
I can´t really describe what I think. I have only two brilliant scenes in my head - James and John, having so far the best dialogue on Sanctuary and Will´s scene with James and their talk about his skills and how Will´s skill was presented (also the best so far for me).

Peter Wingfield and Chris Heyerdahl were amazing :)

That´s all - I think this describes how great was this episode for me.

P.S. I hope that Ryan will be in Credits next year.

tricky
January 3rd, 2009, 05:01 PM
So, before I give my thoughts about this weeks ep, I need to get something i need to do first:
Dear guy who makes the promo's for Sci-Fi channel shows: Stop ruining the surprises. This is a problem you have on all the shows on Sci-Fi: "Guess what, Carson is alive and well and helping the team next week, so I guess they cure him in the first five minutes" and "Here's a shot of Sam with a metal arm, so I bet it's the Repli-Carter that Goa'uld captured" and now...
Shots of Tesla would show that he is in next weeks episode too!,
I know it's your job to make us want to watch it, but could you save SOME surprises? (i better not find out who the last Cylon is by watcing an add for the next week's episode, buddy!)
Sorry. It bothers me!
So, great episode. Like the slowly expanding cast, hoping Watson isn't in the employ of the Cabal.
Speaking of the Cabal, what is their deal? They spend time finding and enslaving Abnormals, and now they want to destroy them? And the method of destruction? A nicer version of the Rage virus from 28DL? Some of the dialog from next week's ep. (yeah, yeah, sometimes it helps...errr) seems to have Boss lady giving a 'human first' kinda speech you normally get in the X-men universe.
So, while I'm riffing on Abnormals; did they become common knowledge again? The casual way Magnus and others discuss the attacks, makes it sound like it's just another segment of normal society, not "mutants" emerging from their hidey-holes to attack "normals". They almost make it sound like everyone knows they are there, like if this virus made left handed people attack righties.
Lastly, the virus: "Lazuras"? Hmmm, the guy who came back from the dead. Most viruses that are named after him cause either: a) dead or dying people to regenerate/animate into healthy people; or b)cause dead people to seek out brains. Could this whole thing be a sham? I know some people on this forum think they are trying to get the vamps back, but I don't think they'd want another power-group to contend with.

Just some thoughts.
C-ya next week!

majorsal
January 3rd, 2009, 08:28 PM
I really enjoyed this episode but I have a screaming headache so I'm going to watch it again tomorrow when I can concentrate more, I missed some of the dialogue. There was a lot of exposition in this ep but it didn't seem slow to me. Lots of character bits and one liners :D



i'm having some serious issues with not being able to understand their dialog. if i wasn't going to rewatch this ep for pleasure, i'd do it just to know half of what they said. and i think it's the scifi channel doing it, because i have a bit of probs with atlantis too (but more with sanctuary). it just comes off muffled. :(


so leaving the down note behind, i thought the ep was wicked! :D

as others have said, lots of set up dialog (which when i can understand it, was good), and lots of great scenes between the characters.

to whoever suggested a series about the adventures of 'the five', i'd SO watch that, but only if they chose the exact same actors we're seeing on sanct! :D (show title ideas: Helen's Five, or The Five, or ?... )


a few observations and/or questions -

i'd like to see some mother/daughter affection, as in physical forms of affection. that's the way my mom and i are together, so i'd like to see that with helen and ashley. especially when helen ok'ed ash and henry to go into the cabal fortress; that was a perfect opportunity to see helen and ashley hug.

what did helen say to watson just before she went into the observation room to help bigfoot? something about her blood helping to cure him? this was one of the scenes where i couldn't hear the dialog 100 percent.

i enjoyed this episode greatly and can't wait for part two! :D




sally :D

atlantis_babe34
January 3rd, 2009, 09:14 PM
What do you think the chances are that Australia will get it?? Have you seen the line up for next this years new programs??? I'm not surprised but bitterly disappointed!

I haven't seen the new ep yet but if I had to make a guess on who could possibly be the mole in the Sanctuary then I would say it could be John or...and I have no idea why this popped up in my head...but what about Sophie? She was kinda psychic right? Maybe she can read what's happening there and relay it to the Cabal...willingly or not!
Of course the other choice could be Tesla...maybe he and the Cabal are working together now to make the army of vampires a reality.


To the bolded part. If anything we will get it on the sci fi Channel on Austar in about 2 years.. by that time it will most likely be out on DVD and everyone who want's to watch it will already have. hence the lost of rating on the sci fi channel and the need for repetes for a whole year >_<

On the episode: I thought it ws a really good epsiode. am i the only one who thinks Helen has another "Power" and i think She and the rest of the five know what it is but she hasn't needed to use it... i dunno.

Ashley: "What's he doing here?!"
John: "I am your father."
Ashley: "Yeah well start acting like one, they don't kidnap their daughters when they want some quality time!"

heheh

:D

Amalthea
January 3rd, 2009, 09:23 PM
*dies of thunk* Oh Peter Wingfield... *fans self* Loved him as Methos, even loved him as Tanith, and now, Dr. Watson. It's that little smirk he has that is so endearing. *picks self off the floor* Ok, I'm sure there was more to this episode than him. LOL

Lots of fun to be had in this episode. I suspect that the Cabal wants the five to go after the blood so they can get their hands on it to enhance the virus thingy they made. They probably knew Druitt was poking around out there and would infect the Sanctuary thus forcing the five to act.

Oh, and I thought it was very interesting that the invisible man passed on his traits both to his daughter and granddaughter. That makes Ashley's genome very interesting. I can't help but wonder if she has more abilities than she knows or if Helen is keeping them in check somehow.

I hate two-parters! I want more now!

EvenstarSRV
January 3rd, 2009, 10:42 PM
what did helen say to watson just before she went into the observation room to help bigfoot? something about her blood helping to cure him? this was one of the scenes where i couldn't hear the dialog 100 percent.


I think Helen said something like if she injected herself with Bigfoot's infected blood, then her body could spike in antigen production because of the source blood, and those antigens are what she thinks will cure Bigfoot.



On the episode: I thought it ws a really good epsiode. am i the only one who thinks Helen has another "Power" and i think She and the rest of the five know what it is but she hasn't needed to use it... i dunno.


That's an interested thought, I wonder if the tests in the labyrinth will reveal a power Helen may not even be aware she has, since right now I think she, Watson and Druitt believe she was only given longevity.

I can see ways to test Druitt's teleportation, Watson's mind/deductive abilities, Tesla's command of electricity, and Griffin's invisibility. But as Will pointed out, longevity is a kinda hard thing to test for except for still being around to be tested.

atlantis_babe34
January 3rd, 2009, 11:30 PM
I think Helen said something like if she injected herself with Bigfoot's infected blood, then her body could spike in antigen production because of the source blood, and those antigens are what she thinks will cure Bigfoot.



That's an interested thought, I wonder if the tests in the labyrinth will reveal a power Helen may not even be aware she has, since right now I think she, Watson and Druitt believe she was only given longevity.

I can see ways to test Druitt's teleportation, Watson's mind/deductive abilities, Tesla's command of electricity, and Griffin's invisibility. But as Will pointed out, longevity is a kinda hard thing to test for except for still being around to be tested.


Exactly! Thats what I thought. Also from the looks in that scene I think they know something about a possible other Power for Helen.

o0o0o0o0!!:D

Chelle DB
January 4th, 2009, 01:16 AM
ashley and henry getting caught was very predicitble
i think that was the biggest down part, them making a silly decision to facilitate the plot for part 2
I agree...and what's even worse is that you could almost see that Helen didn't want them to do this and yet she allowed them to go...surely Helen should have known better.

I'm hoping it's not Watson either, but I'm thinking that it's the invisible girl. She allowed herself to be caught by Druitt and Will. I'll even take a guess and say that her mother isn't dead either.
I will so be totally peeved if they make Watson into the bad dude.
I was thinking that maybe it's not the invisible girl, Clara, but her mother or grandfather perhaps?!
*whats scary is that before I saw the ep Nubbins, I had this name going through my head...Sophie...and then she popped up in Sanctuary. Then there was another name...to which I told my daughter and said that if it pops up on Sanctuary then I shall scream...well it was close...real close...the name that kept bouncing around in my head was Clare...not Clara but that's just too freaky...here's a though...maybe the concept of abnormals isn't so far fetched! :P*


a few observations and/or questions -

i'd like to see some mother/daughter affection, as in physical forms of affection. that's the way my mom and i are together, so i'd like to see that with helen and ashley. especially when helen ok'ed ash and henry to go into the cabal fortress; that was a perfect opportunity to see helen and ashley hug.
sally :D
I couldn't agree with you more...wasted opportunity there for some real mother/daughter relationship development. I was waiting for it but dang it...it just fizzled!

I think Helen said something like if she injected herself with Bigfoot's infected blood, then her body could spike in antigen production because of the source blood, and those antigens are what she thinks will cure Bigfoot.
I really wish they had gone that route...that would have been awesome to watch. I wonder if that's what they end up doing in the end anyway.

That's an interested thought, I wonder if the tests in the labyrinth will reveal a power Helen may not even be aware she has, since right now I think she, Watson and Druitt believe she was only given longevity.

I can see ways to test Druitt's teleportation, Watson's mind/deductive abilities, Tesla's command of electricity, and Griffin's invisibility. But as Will pointed out, longevity is a kinda hard thing to test for except for still being around to be tested.
I'm confused over the longevity thing...ok so Helen has the longevity and gave it to Druitt when she shared her blood with him. Tesla lives long because of his vampirism...Griffin is supposedly dead...but with scifi who knows if this is to be true...but what about Watson. He looks fabulous for a guy of 160. And if it has something to do with hjis stuff he wears, woud that explain his youthful-ish looks!?
Ooh...and I wonder what Ashley has? Helen did mention something along the lines of Ashely being at risk "in theory"...so I wonder!! :)

starlover
January 4th, 2009, 04:15 AM
*comes in late in the discussion*

My "thoughts" about the episode

I totally loved this episode...certainly about getting the five back together..sadly enough that wasn't entirely possible. I do love it when John just comes to Helens sanctuary and knocks on the door...

It's cool to see him, in a way, friendly. I like the change and I hope this has future romance between him and Helen
A few minutes later I loved the banter between Ashley/John and all because he's her father...it totally made me giggle!

Then later on when Will is sitting together with John and Watson...and he's like..."so cool I'm sitting with John the ripper and Sherlock Holmes on the couch...talking" I found it very cool as well:D. I love the history of this series! I'm missing that now with SGA...while SG1 had tihs awesome mythology as well

Then later on when they are going to find that daughter of Griffin, I kind of find it a weird scene, but I understand...I do hope she will be a good help and not just an annoying teen or so...

I hate it that bigfoot got sick, I sure hope they don't kill him off, that would be horrible...I like the cast as it is now! I don't want too many changes to it in S2...:S...but we just have to wait till next week to find out...

As for the Kabal, I really like their sneaky evilness! They are a good enemy, but I sure hope that the people from the Sanctuary win this...and that the abnormals will be save for the time being.

I know I still haven't touched/talked about lots of subjects...but these ones I found the most prominent in the episode.I can't wait till next week, this was a good "set-up" episode...let everything come to a conclusion next week...a happy conclusion hopefully!!!:D

EvenstarSRV
January 4th, 2009, 09:42 AM
I couldn't agree with you more...wasted opportunity there for some real mother/daughter relationship development. I was waiting for it but dang it...it just fizzled!

I thought the scene between Helen and Ashley worked really well, even if there was no hug, especially with the looks they share after Helen just says 'Ashley'. I think their relationship is still kinda tense because of Druitt, and here he walks back into their lives talking about doomsday and there's again no time for Helen to talk to Ashley about her father.

Instead she has to send her into harm's way again, and this time Ashley doesn't leave with a peck on the cheek and a quip for her mom, but I think with a seriousness like she has something to prove. I think this was a moment where Helen couldn't treat Ashley like a daughter, hence no hug, but like a soldier under her command, and I think the pain on her face when Ashley leaves speaks to how much it hurts her to do that, especially with so much still unresolved between them.

That being said, I'd love to see a hug between them when they're reunited, whether Helen rescues Ashley or maybe Ashley saves Helen. :)



I really wish they had gone that route...that would have been awesome to watch. I wonder if that's what they end up doing in the end anyway.


I think that is why they're going after the source blood, so they can get the antigens more efficiently rather than relying on the small amounts The Five have in their blood.

jckfan55
January 4th, 2009, 10:54 AM
I thought the scene between Helen and Ashley worked really well, even if there was no hug, especially with the looks they share after Helen just says 'Ashley'. I think their relationship is still kinda tense because of Druitt, and here he walks back into their lives talking about doomsday and there's again no time for Helen to talk to Ashley about her father.

Instead she has to send her into harm's way again, and this time Ashley doesn't leave with a peck on the cheek and a quip for her mom, but I think with a seriousness like she has something to prove. I think this was a moment where Helen couldn't treat Ashley like a daughter, hence no hug, but like a soldier under her command, and I think the pain on her face when Ashley leaves speaks to how much it hurts her to do that, especially with so much still unresolved between them.

That being said, I'd love to see a hug between them when they're reunited, whether Helen rescues Ashley or maybe Ashley saves Helen. :)


That's kind of what I was thinking--but you said it better than I would have.
But I do think there needs to be a hug in the end. :)

on a side note--I can't believe I didn't recognize "Tanith"--I knew I knew the actor but from where? :o Bad SG1 fan. :D

kes
January 4th, 2009, 10:57 AM
Ok question for the brits...

During the autopsy Helen Says:
"Body is that of a male abnormal, odobenus rosmarus sapien. A genetic mélange of human and walrus."

and Watson replys:
"Koo-koo-ka-choo"

Now... funny..not funny haha but funny smirk.

But I was watching a poker tournamment (dont ask) and the presenters are brits. One makes a joke, coincidently about a walrus (but as a nickname cos the guys nome was Whalroos), and the other responds: "Koo-koo-ka-choo!"

So does that have a "meaning"?



Edit:
Ok I got it its a Beatles song LOL

Mousie
January 4th, 2009, 01:54 PM
*whats scary is that before I saw the ep Nubbins, I had this name going through my head...Sophie...and then she popped up in Sanctuary. Then there was another name...to which I told my daughter and said that if it pops up on Sanctuary then I shall scream...well it was close...real close...the name that kept bouncing around in my head was Clare...not Clara but that's just too freaky...here's a though...maybe the concept of abnormals isn't so far fetched! :P*


Got any feelings on the lottery numbers? :jack::sam:

starlover
January 4th, 2009, 02:05 PM
That's kind of what I was thinking--but you said it better than I would have.
But I do think there needs to be a hug in the end. :)

on a side note--I can't believe I didn't recognize "Tanith"--I knew I knew the actor but from where? :o Bad SG1 fan. :D

Not that bad. I had to read your comment a couple of times before I understood it...and remembered Tanith again. ;)

I thought he was vaguely familiar, but I couldn't place him.

ZeroPoint
January 4th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Not that bad. I had to read your comment a couple of times before I understood it...and remembered Tanith again. ;)

I thought he was vaguely familiar, but I couldn't place him.

At first I thought it was Cliff Simon (Ba'al from SG1) with a shave.

Chelle DB
January 5th, 2009, 04:24 AM
"Koo-koo-ka-choo"
Edit:
Ok I got it its a Beatles song LOL
Ok...so I only know that phrase from Nemo...the sea turtle says it:D
So which Beatles song was it???

Skydiver
January 5th, 2009, 05:28 AM
so.... a dig from watson about which beatle helen 'knew' ;)

kes
January 5th, 2009, 05:53 AM
Ok...so I only know that phrase from Nemo...the sea turtle says it:D
So which Beatles song was it???

I think its called I am a Walrus. So the walrus thing wasnt a coincidence LOL

Mousie
January 5th, 2009, 06:55 AM
It is indeed I Am The Walrus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_the_Walrus

Traveler Enroute1
January 5th, 2009, 08:07 AM
I can´t really describe what I think. I have only two brilliant scenes in my head - James and John, having so far the best dialogue on Sanctuary and Will´s scene with James and their talk about his skills and how Will´s skill was presented (also the best so far for me).

Peter Wingfield and Chris Heyerdahl were amazing :)

I definitely grinned my ears off at that scene. It sparkled and the actors had their timing and expressions so right. I could feel how enthralled Will was to witness this extraordinary repartee with the famous crime fighter and the infamous criminal he never caught! Please I hope they pepper the episodes with more of the two. Although I imagine it's a bit of a strain to for them to work together!

I don't think I imagined the affection Watson has for Helen; it was a little bittersweet that he mentioned her long absence in his life. Add that she became John's lover, who then became a serial killer whom Watson never found - deep undercurrents in this episode (Hmm; does Watson hold a grudge that Helen knew John was JtR?). Not a triangle, I don't think, considering Watson's question to Will about "working for a woman." He probably held a smidgeon of male superiority over her back then and John apparently saw her as an equal.


*dies of thunk* Oh Peter Wingfield... *fans self* Loved him as Methos, even loved him as Tanith, and now, Dr. Watson. It's that little smirk he has that is so endearing. *picks self off the floor* Ok, I'm sure there was more to this episode than him. LOL
I certainly agree about Peter - it was great seeing him again. He's played the roles you mentioned in their unique memorable characters. More of him, too.

Lots of fun to be had in this episode. I suspect that the Cabal wants the five to go after the blood so they can get their hands on it to enhance the virus thingy they made. They probably knew Druitt was poking around out there and would infect the Sanctuary thus forcing the five to act.
Watson seemed to have a sixth sense about the mission they were going on, and of course we find that he has good reason. Evil Cabal is herding them into their dastardly web of dastardly stuff. I was hoping he'd do another Sherlock Holmes-ian deduction before they leaped to the remote icy climes of the Lost City (? mixing shows?? And why do the remote regions always have to be icy? Brr.) I think John's fervor to stop the Cabal overruled second thoughts.

Oh, and I thought it was very interesting that the invisible man passed on his traits both to his daughter and granddaughter. That makes Ashley's genome very interesting. I can't help but wonder if she has more abilities than she knows or if Helen is keeping them in check somehow.
I hate two-parters! I want more now!
Yes! I wondered the same for Ashley, too. She's certainly got more than a bit of Helen's and John's determination, focus and ingenuity. So what else could she have developed from the two? If new powers surface it would be handy if it happened while she's in the Cabal's lair and can bam zoom wham 'em! The writers must have something special in mind there. Of course there's a hint that Helen hasn't manifested her full powers, too; its seems that longevity was a basic effect for The Five.

Just sayin', alas, cliffhangers happen! Just some initial thoughts and response to the many on the thread. A really cool thoughtful offering. Well, maybe some things didn't sit well, like Ashely's foray into the Cabal lair with a greenling like Henry (love him but he's green at commando missions). I'm all excited now for the second half. And the second season. :)

Skydiver
January 5th, 2009, 10:27 AM
ah, DOES watson know of druitt's extracurricular activities??

tricky
January 5th, 2009, 04:50 PM
If you mean being the Ripper: yeah he does. He said he had no idea that the man he confessed his frustration about not stopping the Ripper was the ripper himself!

Anyone want to venture a guess on how the Cabal is going to get Ashley to help them?
(i hope it's not bugs...)

hisg1fans
January 5th, 2009, 05:25 PM
I had an 8 hour drive and got to thinking about what Helen's Dad meant by 'the asset is in place'...... I wonder if the asset is the Sanctuary itself?

Pandora's_Box
January 5th, 2009, 05:41 PM
I had an 8 hour drive and got to thinking about what Helen's Dad meant by 'the asset is in place'...... I wonder if the asset is the Sanctuary itself?

I admittedly have not seen the episode, but from what I gather in the discussion, is the asset not Ashley?

Isn't the Cabal controlling her somehow, now?

Or am I entirely wrong?

wurlitzer153
January 5th, 2009, 06:36 PM
The line is from "Warriors," not this episode.

majorsal
January 5th, 2009, 08:42 PM
so.... a dig from watson about which beatle helen 'knew' ;)

who would that be then? :p

Irish Eyes
January 5th, 2009, 08:48 PM
i'm having some serious issues with not being able to understand their dialog. if i wasn't going to rewatch this ep for pleasure, i'd do it just to know half of what they said. and i think it's the scifi channel doing it, because i have a bit of probs with atlantis too (but more with sanctuary). it just comes off muffled. :(

I watch a lot of shows with the close captioning on. I started back when Gilmore Girls was on and they would talk so fast! Now, as soon as I have trouble hearing a show the CC comes on. Like you said, sometimes it's muffled, sometimes I can't make everything out because of an accent, etc.

Course, I could just be getting old...;)

I'm liking this show more and more. Can't wait for this week's episode, but I hate that we're done then for the season. :(

Rocky89
January 5th, 2009, 10:43 PM
who would that be then? :p

Who ever it was, Helen probably had the same effect on him as Amanda does on people ;).


~The Amanda Effect~

~The Carter Effect~

~The Helen Effect~

Celandine
January 7th, 2009, 08:15 AM
I admittedly have not seen the episode, but from what I gather in the discussion, is the asset not Ashley?

Isn't the Cabal controlling her somehow, now?

Or am I entirely wrong?

It is Helen's biggest weakness. Using this 'Achilles' in their plans wouldnt be a bad move on the part of the Cabal for their success. I havent seen part 2 yet, but I'm really wondering what Helen might do when she finds out that Ashley has been captured and the pawn/bait Ashley will become for the Cabal to ultimately get what they seek.

pinielf
January 7th, 2009, 03:23 PM
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Hi all.
I just sow the episode and now I now why I watch the show it was great. But I have some questions:
1. Why do are all abnormals affected that dose not make any seas?
2. Why are so many of the 5 still alive? Helen got the long life not the others?
3. Why are there so few people in the Sanctuary?

EvenstarSRV
January 7th, 2009, 10:51 PM
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Hi all.
I just sow the episode and now I now why I watch the show it was great. But I have some questions:
1. Why do are all abnormals affected that dose not make any seas?
2. Why are so many of the 5 still alive? Helen got the long life not the others?
3. Why are there so few people in the Sanctuary?

Hi pinielf, cool name! :)

I thought I'd take a stab at answering your questions, though keep in mind, it's mostly just conjecture on my part. ;)

1. I think all the abnormals are affected because that seems to be the Cabal's intent with the virus, to start a war between humans and abnormals. So I think the virus triggers something common to all abnormals that turns them violent, but The Five are protected because of the Source blood.

2. Helen's has the longevity, and I think it was implied with Tesla becoming more vampiric he gained a similar kind of longevity. For Druitt, I think he's still alive in part with his teleporting (I think he can jump through time and space) and in part because of the blood Helen gave him. For Watson I think it's the equipment he wears that's been keeping him alive. And since Griffin's granddaughter seems to be in her 20s, it's likely that he simply died of old age.

3. I think the 'real world' reason there are so few people in the Sanctuary is because the production team couldn't afford to have the extras or guest characters needed to fill-in the Sanctuary. For an in-show reason, I think Helen tries to keep a low-profile with the Sanctuary, so she probably doesn't want too many people working there since that could lead to leaks.

Hope that helps. :)

pinielf
January 8th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Hi pinielf, cool name! :)

I thought I'd take a stab at answering your questions, though keep in mind, it's mostly just conjecture on my part. ;)

1. I think all the abnormals are affected because that seems to be the Cabal's intent with the virus, to start a war between humans and abnormals. So I think the virus triggers something common to all abnormals that turns them violent, but The Five are protected because of the Source blood.

2. Helen's has the longevity, and I think it was implied with Tesla becoming more vampiric he gained a similar kind of longevity. For Druitt, I think he's still alive in part with his teleporting (I think he can jump through time and space) and in part because of the blood Helen gave him. For Watson I think it's the equipment he wears that's been keeping him alive. And since Griffin's granddaughter seems to be in her 20s, it's likely that he simply died of old age.

3. I think the 'real world' reason there are so few people in the Sanctuary is because the production team couldn't afford to have the extras or guest characters needed to fill-in the Sanctuary. For an in-show reason, I think Helen tries to keep a low-profile with the Sanctuary, so she probably doesn't want too many people working there since that could lead to leaks.

Hope that helps. :)

Thx (I liked the name 2:))
On the first. my problem is that the abnormals should all be deferent. Deferent DNA changes so no one drogue should affect them all.

dipsofjazz
January 8th, 2009, 07:08 AM
Thx (I liked the name 2:))
On the first. my problem is that the abnormals should all be deferent. Deferent DNA changes so no one drogue should affect them all.

Even although all the abnormals should be different, I agree with Evenstar when she said
I think the virus triggers something common to all abnormals that turns them violent

So even if they are different, there is still one thing that they all have which is what the drug is aimed at.

Matt G
January 10th, 2009, 08:51 AM
1. Interesting to see Watson. I'm surprised he's still looking relatively young though. At 160 the guy should be dust.

2. Did like the Holmes vs Ripper one-on-one there. It's times like this that I can definately relate to Will.

3. Henry and Ashley. Not a bad idea in the circumstances but ouch, that didn't last long.

4. And Amanda/Helen did have some very cool moments.

Very nice stuff! :)

AresLover452
October 26th, 2009, 12:58 PM
I like when John knocks on the door and said, "It's not often I use a door. Quite the novelty."


Just love it.

Tachyon
February 20th, 2010, 03:21 AM
This was an interesting episode. Perhaps not my favorite of the season, but definitely a one from the better ones. Can't wait the second part. :D

Tachyon
February 21st, 2010, 10:05 PM
Okay, I watched part two, and wow @ the cliffhanger. Now that is the way to end a season. :D

mathpiglet
January 23rd, 2012, 09:27 AM
1. Interesting to see Watson. I'm surprised he's still looking relatively young though. At 160 the guy should be dust.
2. Did like the Holmes vs Ripper one-on-one there. It's times like this that I can definately relate to Will.

3. Henry and Ashley. Not a bad idea in the circumstances but ouch, that didn't last long.

4. And Amanda/Helen did have some very cool moments.

Very nice stuff! :)

I laughed at this. In Highlander, Peter Wingfield played a character who was 5000+ years old. No dust on that boy.

Skydiver
August 20th, 2012, 05:28 PM
so, revelations pt 1. What can I say, i'm a bit behind :)

we see a fruition of a few weeks of plot, the cabal making their move, how relentless they are towards abbies. We get druitt on druitt...biggie answering the door for, well himself.

we findout that the cabal has been spying on the sanctuary

we get to see the rest of the five and meet clara (who shoulda worn red). We get to see WAtson doing his 'mine is bigger' with every other male (totally insufferable if it'd been in real life)

They do enjoy the 'sherlock holmes and jack the ripper' a lot. We get to see Helen's adventurous side and where ash gets her enthusiasm from. We get a great line as Henry holds his own against druitt and the others 'one minute he's all hearts and flowers the next he's turning a working girl into a canoe'

A lot of it is all set up, and I really don't; care for the ash/henry bits, largely cause I know what's gonna happen, but it does set up a LOT and a wonderful arc

JanSam
August 25th, 2012, 05:49 PM
Yes mostly set-up for part two, but I enjoyed John's interaction with Helen and Ashley and Henry and Ashley's banter......Gumby :P but I fail to see why Helen did agree to let Ashley and Henry go on the mission.

We did learn that the Cabal knew about the source blood from Gregory.