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GateWorld
September 12th, 2008, 05:55 PM
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Magnus and Will take a solitary submarine trip to investigate a problem with the Mer-people, only to find them all dead -- victims of a parasite that infects Helen's brain and turns her against her friend.

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Naddy
December 5th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Has anyone else seen this ep yet?
I just watched it and thought Amanda Tapping and Robin Dunne were phenomenal.

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
December 5th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Yes. This episode was out of the world awesome. Amanda did an amazing job in losing her mind. Some of the looks she gave were just downright creepy, but everything played out real well. I really like episodes like this. Where it's just a character confined to a small space or alone in a big space. There's just so much more you can accomplish character-wise in these types of episodes. I really...really love these episodes. I don't know how much better I can phrase it and Sanctuary had 2 in one season. These are just solely character driven plots. A little peril and a bunch of soul searching, beautiful.

As for the ending. I honestly thought Will tricked Helen. Like, he faked the dials going down and causing a massive placebo effect on Helen's battered and
pysche. When I realized how wrong I was. I was actually impressed. I don't know if it was meant to be interpreted as such but it threw me fro a loop. If it was meant to seem like that then the twist was pulled off way better than a certain twist of a certain episode of a certain other show on Sci-Fi that airs at 9pm EST.


All that being said, and I loved this episode, it reminded me ALOT of "Legacy" from season 3 of SG-1 right down to when that thing came out of her ear (It looked vaguely like an atrophied symbiote in my opinion). Which is fine because "Legacy" is one of my favorite episodes.

So over all, and over rambling, fantastic episode.:indeed:

Naddy
December 5th, 2008, 08:32 PM
Yeah, I agree. At first I thought it was just her mind imagining the dials and stuff, but when she collapsed I figured it was real. I had a suspicion that he was doing it to subdue her, but I didn't figure that the parasite would leave... I thought that was well done. What happens when it thaws out though?
Just a question: when Magnus had Will tied to the chair, did her accent change? I think it did, and I figure it was intentional; or am I just imagining things?

I too love the character development in this one. I love the Helen/Will dynamic, and I thought that scene at the end where he's trying to resuscitate her was just perfect and extremely, extremely well done.

Something I'm constantly surprised about is how I don't see Sam at all when I'm watching Sanctuary. I kind of expected to a bit initially 'cause I've watched so much SG1. But even when Magnus is doing mechanical stuff like Carter sometimes did, I still don't see any of Carter and it just makes me think they're doing such a good job with Magnus....

Can't wait until the next one...

EvenstarSRV
December 5th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Has anyone else seen this ep yet?
I just watched it and thought Amanda Tapping and Robin Dunne were phenomenal.

I agree, both of them were just fantastic, I can see why AT feels this was her bravest work and how she trusted RD and MW to do those scenes.

Even though I spoiled myself silly with this episode, I never expected that opening teaser. It reminded me of a few BSG episodes were they started in media res like that, but I liked it better here since they didn't keeping jumping around in the timeline.

Absolutely loved the opening conversation with Will pumping Helen for information, Harding as an abnormal, Eisenhower needing Helen there to handle to Nazis, Pasteur as a god-father. Great references.

I also really liked Will and Helen discussing how hard it is for her to relate to people, even Ashley, and Will's role and future at the Sanctuary, both before and while Helen was going crazy. And Helen talking about the curse of her long life, that no one is meant to live forever and the pain's she gone through because of it. It was great to see that dark undercurrent to Helen, which she can probably usually suppress with her work and with her interactions Ashley, Will, and the others.

AT did an amazing job showing Helen being taken over by that parasite, going 'crazy' but still able to act methodically and rationally as fitting with Helen's personality. Loved the scene when she tries to goad Will into shooting her and then turns the gun on him. And when the sub was flooding and sinking and Helen's grinning while trying to 'fix' it. And when Will is tied up and Helen's going on about 'seeing the sunshine'. And pretty much every scene. :)

And what a rollercoaster for the Will and Helen dynamic, co-workers, mentor/protege, family, enemies, and then implicitly trusting and understanding each other at the end. Great stuff.

And yay I get to see it again in 15 minutes. :D

Naddy
December 5th, 2008, 08:52 PM
OK. I pretty much agree with everything you said there.. well put. I too loved the references to all the people whom Helen has known. Liked the line about not all the Nazis breathing air.
I loved seeing the degeneration throughout the ep and I thought the acting was very very well done. Love the developing relationship between Magnus and Will, particularly that scene at the end with "today is not that day" and the part where he's trying to bring her back. and then when she grabs his wrist when he's about to stab her with the Epi; I loved the timing on that and I was totally not expecting that.

EvenstarSRV
December 5th, 2008, 10:09 PM
OK. I pretty much agree with everything you said there.. well put. I too loved the references to all the people whom Helen has known. Liked the line about not all the Nazis breathing air.
I loved seeing the degeneration throughout the ep and I thought the acting was very very well done. Love the developing relationship between Magnus and Will, particularly that scene at the end with "today is not that day" and the part where he's trying to bring her back. and then when she grabs his wrist when he's about to stab her with the Epi; I loved the timing on that and I was totally not expecting that.

Yeah, that was a great scene, and good directing work by MW. I think he did a great job considering the limitations of filming on such a small set. Subtle stuff like the rack to focus from Helen to the dripping water, which I think gives her the idea to flood the ballasts in order to go deeper.

I loved the line about not all Nazis breathing air too, as well as Will's reaction to it. And the references! Teddy being more fun than Frank. Harding being kinda crazy for wanting the job of President after WWI.

Oh man, such good dialog in the scenes after Helen knocks Will out. 'Young William', the sunshine stuff, 'the water's lovely', Will telling Helen to fight it. And then the music during when Helen 'dies' and then when Will resuscitates her. And AT doing proper agonal breaths as Helen suffocated, and I really should stop before I get carried away. :o

Sanctuary rocks! :D

Naddy
December 5th, 2008, 10:39 PM
Yep, Sanctuary rocks, I'll give you that! We were watching it again and one thing i noticed: at that bit right before she grabs his wrist, in the shot that you see Magnus as Will is going for the epi, she blinks, just once. I think that's when she comes out of it and why she is then able to grab his wrist.. just a thought.
just a question: what dyu mean by "proper agonal breaths"?

EvenstarSRV
December 5th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Yep, Sanctuary rocks, I'll give you that! We were watching it again and one thing i noticed: at that bit right before she grabs his wrist, in the shot that you see Magnus as Will is going for the epi, she blinks, just once. I think that's when she comes out of it and why she is then able to grab his wrist.. just a thought.
just a question: what dyu mean by "proper agonal breaths"?

Ah, agonal respirations are deep, gasping breaths a person makes just before they go into cardiac arrest. I don't often see actors do that just before they 'die' (they usually act like they're choking on something) so I was impressed to see AT doing them.

I couldn't see what med Will was going for, but I doubt it was an epipen, since that doesn't do much good for a person in cardiac arrest.

Oh, I must have missed Helen blinking, thank goodness I've got the ep recorded. Hmmm, is watching it three times in one night too much? :o :D

Rocky89
December 5th, 2008, 11:14 PM
BRAVO AMANDA!!!
BRAVO AMANDA!!!
BRAVO AMANDA!!!
BRAVO AMANDA!!!
BRAVO AMANDA!!!
BRAVO AMANDA!!!
BRAVO AMANDA!!!http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA! I saw Requiem on my TMN, and all I can is: W-O-W-- WOW! I've never, seen anything like it, Requiem was Sanctuary's "Line in the Sand", but WAY better. This was hands down, without question, without a doubt, THE best episode this season. I've never seen her act like that, Amanda did a spectacular job showing off Helen's dark and crazy side, she gave so many looks that were just dark, creepy, crazy, devious and totally evil. Amanda was nothing short of phenomenal in this episode, I can see why she thought this was the bravest and toughest she's ever done, Amanda truly gave the performance of her life.

Before I start I just wanna say sorry if I talk about some of the events or facts in the wrong order :o. It starts with me at the edge of my seat, and with a wet Helen *WOO HOO*, doing something to a few controls inside the sub, as she's doing it, she has that crazy/devious/hot look in her face, then something goes wrong with the oxygen in the room, and she looks at the screen, and she's see that the oxygen levels are dropping fast, and so were a few other things. She tries to open the door, but it's locked, Will was on the other side keeping it locked, she looks at him through the window in the door, and she begs him to open the door, but he doesn't, then she starts to suffocate, and she goes back to the controls to fix the problem but the controls were locked out. She goes back to the window and she begs him again, but he keeps it locked, she suffocates even more and eventually falls to the ground :samanime24:. We get a close-up of her face and she starts taking shorter breathes, THEN we get a close-up of her mouth-- she has nice lips btw :samanime51:, and she takes one final breath, and then we get another close-up of her eyes, and he pupils dilate/get larger-- and she dies :(, as Will watches :samanime24:. And this is just the beginning :eek:.

After the opening credits, we get a shot of the sub, and captions across the screen saying were they are, and that it's 6 hours earlier, in the sub we see that big bolded title "Requiem", as well as Will talking to Helen about all the historical figures she knew, and how she's related to them, she also talks about how hard it was sometimes knowing them and living in the war. They talk about a bit more, and then they got a transmission from Henry, they talk about the mission, and Will talks about how strange it feels being in the Bermuda Triangle, and how it's one of the most mysterious places in the world. Oh Sally, this one's for you :P, Helen talks about going to see the "Mer folk" and that the Mermaid they have at the Sanctuary told them somethings wrong, and Henry tells them how they named the Mermaid-- you ready for this-- Sally :). Contrats hon, you have a Mermaid named after you ;).

The cut transmission, and Helen and Will go back to talking, this time about the Bermuda Triangle, but Helen tells him it's just ocean. They talk about bit more about each other now, and how they feel about their lives and how Helen can't relate to anyone because she's lived so long and has lost many people she cared about. They arrive at the destination, Will asks Helen in her accent about the "Mer folk" :P, and something seems wrong, Will looks at a view screen, and he see's something odd, he asks Helen if their at war or something, she says no, and they look through it again and they see a dead Mermaid who's been torn apart just flooding there in the water. Helen who's shocked and what's answers, uses a grappling hook to get the Mermaid inside the sub, on board her and Will do an autopsy, and they come up with a few theories, but Helen finds a strange thick clear liquid but she doesn't know what it is.

Afterwards, Will tells Helen he's going to get some rest, Helen says bye, but when he leaves, she starts getting a headache, and we get a close-up of her hands shaking. A little later after a few little things, Helen's alone in her room, and her nose starts bleeding and then she gets scared, and a little confused, she runs off and goes past Will and he she's her bleeding, and right away she somehow realizes that by ascending, it's causing her pain, tries to take the sub even deeper, as she does, she gets mad at Will and starts getting a little rude :samanime20:. They realize somethings wrong with her, and they start doing some tests, and as they do Helen and Will start talking about how Ashley feels knowing that John is her father, Helen says she's fine, but Will has his doubts, they talk a bit more but Helen gets up and walks away, Will stops her and they argue a bit, but they sort it out and Will gets an idea about what's effecting Helen, they do another test and they find a parasite in her brain :samanime24: They do another autopsy on the Mermaid, and they find that her brain has been destroyed by the parasite, Helen also finds out the reason she has it and not Will is because of that thick clear liquid, Will asks how much more they can deep taking the ship down and Helen said about 2400 something feet, she also told him that as long as they don't share bodily fluids they'll be fine :samanime20:.

In Helen's office, they talk about how sad Helen's been over the years, after losing friends, lovers, etc, and she tells Will she's proud of him and that he's her first real protégé she's had in decades, but then she starts bleeding again, they go back to the control room, and Helen demands they go deeper, but Will says it's too dangerous to take the sub deeper, but she doesn't care, he tries to stop him, but she slams him against a wall, and threatens him, she even takes some of her blood from her nose and tries to put it on him, and as she does, she has a really serious and dangerous look on her face :samanime15:. He agrees to take the sub down, and as he does she feels at ease. Afterwards, when things calm down, Will finds her taking injections to try and stop the parasite, then they talk about what Helen did and she tells him she's scared of what's to happen to her, and she comes clean with him. She tells him that she's lived for a long time, and that if she is going to die, she wants it to be her way, and that she wants Will to do it.

Later when Helen's alone in her room, she see's water leaking from the wall, and she gets this devious look on her face, we then find Will walking around when the sub starts shaking and sparks start flying. Will finds her and they run off to try and fix the problem, in the meantime, the sub keeps sinking, on their way to find the problem, a pipe breaks and they get all wet, they fix that, and make it to the room with the problem, Helen says they need tools, Will goes to find them, but Helen pushes him out of the way, and gets them herself, as she goes toward the problem Will looks around, then BOOM time slows down, and we see Helen with this evil/crazy/devious/insane look on her face like she loves what's happening, but the, as the subs sinking, it stops, Helen looks disappointed, she goes to look outside, and we see the sub lying on a huge rock, keeping it from falling. Will starts talking about what they have and don't have left, then bang, Helen knocks him out with a wrench.

This next scene I thought was amazing- We then find Will tied up to a chair, with Helen doing something near him, and the whole time Helen looks completely unstable, and she asks Will if he can hear what she hears, he says no, and she shouts "Liar, you bloody liar!" Will tries to talk her down, but she's too unstable, she looks at him with an evil look, and mocks Will by making an impression of him by saying "You're just confused, Helen, you're not in your right mind, I can help you, Helen." That was a wicked moment ;). She asks him if he's trying to probe her, and then she whispers in his ear "I'm not your common criminal", he looks at her scared, and then gets out her gun, and she says, "Maybe I should kill you", but Will's able to talk her down, and then she goes off to a hatch that leads into a room filled with water, she dives in and starts looking for something, as she does that Will's able to get a tool and free himself, he runs over to the hatch, and before he can close it, she pops up and stops him, then she makes him go down under with her. They're able to do what Helen wanted to do, but before they make it back up, Helen pulls off Will's mask, he makes it too the top, and he gets Helen's gun and points it at her. He yells "Fight it Helen, fight it", but she tells him to shoot over and over, he doesn't then she gets the gun, she pulls the trigger, but the bullet case is gone, Helen goes back to the control room, and now we're back to where, when and how the show started, only this time we see what Will's doing outside. After Helen falls to the floor and dies :(, Will goes in there and tries to revive, but the parasite escapes out of Helen's ear, but Will quickly kills it with nitrogen oxide, he goes back to try and save Helen, but she doesn't respond right away, he keeps begging her not die and not to give up, then he gives her an injection into her heart, that doesn't work, so he goes after another, but before he can inject her, she grab his arm she she thanks him, and they both lie there tired.

In the final scene, we find them together talking about everything that happened, and how they both knew the parasite would leave her body if she was dead, and Will gave her hope by telling her maybe the reason she's been alive for so long is because her work isn't done, and she told him it'll never been done, and that she'll want him to replace her one day, but told her "Today's not that day".

The End. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif

tagger
December 5th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Holy cow.

Fantastic episode.

Acting, directing, vis effects, writing, everything. I loved every real and virtual shot of the sub, the sub sounds, the claustophobic feel of it all.

The dialogue was great, the story kept me on the edge of my seat, and the historical quips were funny.

Totally intense, creepily real death/ resuscitation scenes. Wow. AT is always suberb. Dunne was perfectly frantic, his panic so palpable I started to feel panicky. :o

Brilliant acting all the way through, absolutely stunning.

I loved all the little character clues we got, too. The insights into how each of them clicks.

Great job!!! Thanks to all involved!!

WOOHOO!!

A massive standing ovation!

:):) :)

majorsal
December 5th, 2008, 11:26 PM
amanda was amazing!!! :samanime51:

(((amanda)))

you're a fantastic actress!! :D

and no dastardly deeds prevented me from recording this episode (you know, cable goes out, the vcr breaks down, a crazed possum goes on the rampage and eats the trees across the street that causes them to fall over and crush the house, etc)

this is now my number ONE fave ep, with 'the five' and 'kush' coming in no's 2 and 3.

i don't even know where to begin... okay, i have one complaint... i didn't want it to end!!

i think i'll go and read others reviews and reply. my brain's racing too much. :p

majorsal
December 5th, 2008, 11:40 PM
I also really liked Will and Helen discussing how hard it is for her to relate to people, even Ashley, and Will's role and future at the Sanctuary, both before and while Helen was going crazy. And Helen talking about the curse of her long life, that no one is meant to live forever and the pain's she gone through because of it. It was great to see that dark undercurrent to Helen, which she can probably usually suppress with her work and with her interactions Ashley, Will, and the others.

i don't think i'll ever get past the fear that helen's own personal sanctuary is her death. after seeing 'xena's' last ep... so helen saying to will about her passing it on to him when she's not around anymore... :S

BUT, i'll try to let that go for the moment and say that i enjoyed the bonding of helen and will. and i really enjoying will in this ep more than i ever have.


AT did an amazing job showing Helen being taken over by that parasite, going 'crazy' but still able to act methodically and rationally as fitting with Helen's personality. Loved the scene when she tries to goad Will into shooting her and then turns the gun on him. And when the sub was flooding and sinking and Helen's grinning while trying to 'fix' it. And when Will is tied up and Helen's going on about 'seeing the sunshine'. And pretty much every scene. :)

And what a rollercoaster for the Will and Helen dynamic, co-workers, mentor/protege, family, enemies, and then implicitly trusting and understanding each other at the end. Great stuff.

yes on everything! i think my brain's a bit fried. :p

majorsal
December 5th, 2008, 11:46 PM
And when the sub was flooding and sinking and Helen's grinning while trying to 'fix' it.

a quick question on that scene. the first time we saw helen grinning (just after will ran into another room); did the camera kind of go slow-mo on her face while she was doing it?

there's just soooooooo much for me to talk about, my brain's all over the place in trying to put it into words and phrases. :p

majorsal
December 5th, 2008, 11:49 PM
Love the developing relationship between Magnus and Will, particularly that scene at the end with "today is not that day" and the part where he's trying to bring her back. and then when she grabs his wrist when he's about to stab her with the Epi; I loved the timing on that and I was totally not expecting that.

that scene, like *so* many others, was fabulous! it reminded me of a scene from the movie 'abyss', which happened to be my favorite scene. (i only wish helen's eyes wouldn't have still been open when she you-know-whated. :( :()

i'm just totally fangirling amanda right now. bravo, woman, totally bravo. :samanime51:

majorsal
December 5th, 2008, 11:57 PM
Oh Sally, this one's for you :P, Helen talks about going to see the "Mer folk" and that the Mermaid they have at the Sanctuary told them somethings wrong, and Henry tells them how they named the Mermaid-- you reread for this-- Sally :). Contrats hon, you have a Mermaid named after you ;).



i thought that was what the mermaid was called. :p i'm honored, i'm on sanctuary! :p :o :D

majorsal
December 6th, 2008, 12:01 AM
and YES, i heard helen's accent revert to her original origins/youth. :zelenka25:

morjana
December 6th, 2008, 12:53 AM
What a terrific episode! Amanda and Robin both delivered powerful performances. Best episode so far. Well done, kudos to everyone involved.

Chelle DB
December 6th, 2008, 04:00 AM
i don't think i'll ever get past the fear that helen's own personal sanctuary is her death....so helen saying to will about her passing it on to him when she's not around anymore.
I have another 6 hours to wait! :(
Assuming Helen wants to pass the Sanctuary onto Will after her death, Helen must be planning on dieing before Will...which has me assuming she definitely doesn't want to be around to watch Ashley grow old and die...so how could this possibly happen?? Unless she has plans in place to end her life or a cure to her immortality??
From what I have read about the ep...btw, thank you Rocky!! :D...I think we're gonna be hard pressed to find another ep better than this one...for this season at least!
6 freakin' hours...I can't believe I have to wait 6 more hours...D'oH!!!

Agent_Dark
December 6th, 2008, 04:25 AM
lol, i was semi-disappointed about the name for Magnus' submarine. Surely they could have gone with something abit less cliched than the Nautilus - hell Magnus could possibly have been on one of the various British or American subs that have been named Nautilus. Something more personalised would have suited better imo.
Also, that begs the question of what does teh US Navy know about her? Surely an unknown sub cruising around the Atlantic ocean over the years wouldn't have gone unnoticed right in the US navy's backyard - certainly not during teh Cold War when the US submarine forces were at the top of their game tracking Soviet subs.

Also, lol at Magnus' involvement in WW2. There better be an episode with a flashback to her fighting Nazis in WW2. Abnormal Nazis. ZOMBIE NAZIS. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

jasminaGo
December 6th, 2008, 06:28 AM
This seems to be a standard way for me to start a post, but... WOW!!!!!

I was really looking forward to this episode for a long time, but it went beyond anything I expected. Everything was just perfect. The writing, the directing, the music...but Amanda's performance simply blew me away. Again WOW!!! Helen slowly loosing her mind, trying to hold on and figure out what's wrong, (when the pain started the second time and she had tears in her eyes I just wanted to hug her. :o), her interactions with Will, the feelings about Ashley and what her longevity means to her...not to mention every single crazy moment she had. It was all brilliant.

Also Helen seemed very strong physically, not just that she slapped Will around a few times (:p), but when he tried to close the hatch, he had his weight on top of it, and yet Helen pushed it away with one hand, without much trouble.

Watching this episode makes me want to see Amanda play a bad guy...girl in a movie.

All in all, congrats on the Sanctuary team for another amazing episode. :)

Also I made around 500 caps, free to use them for what ever you want. 09 Requiem.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/74731490/9ba291e7/09_Requiem.html)

p.s. I just wanted to add another WOW!!! :p

alta
December 6th, 2008, 08:32 AM
WOW!! Best episode of Sanctuary by far! You don't need all the green screen and special effects for a fantastic episode. Amanda and Robin were amazing! Bravo to them and Martin Wood and Damian. I also loved all the character moments that others mentioned. I hope we get more of this in Season 2.

One thing that I miss in Sanctuary so far, is that there is little shown of what Helen did in the past. Yes, there was a little in The Five, but that was just 1 moment, when "the 5" injected themselves. I am waiting for a episode where we see Helen during WW1 or WW2 or the Great Depression where we see what she was doing, how she is dealing with her friends and lovers getting old and dying (what does she tell them when they see she is not aging).

hedwig
December 6th, 2008, 09:28 AM
Well, I guess my only comment is I hope whoever is in charge of award nominations (Gemini, Saturn?) was watching this episode!:) Both performances were award-worthy.

SamJackShipper93
December 6th, 2008, 09:41 AM
I agree with you, Hedwig! Amanda and Robin were both simply phenominal! I've never seen AT act like that! Incredible!

Most points I was going to make have already been said, loved the beginning, with all of the references to the famous people, loved Henry on the communicator, and I definetely was reminded of Legacy and Machello's Goa'uld . . . bug thingies.

The only thing that keeps this from being my favorite episode is the lack of Ashley, Bigfoot, and Henry for most of the ep. I like teamy episodes, where every character has a substantial part ("The Five" did a pretty good job of using every character), but that's purely my own preference.

Kudos to both Amanda and Robin, as well as Martin and the other PTB. Wonderful ep! :)

dipsofjazz
December 6th, 2008, 09:53 AM
:D Holy Hannah! What a fabulous episode.

I agree with all the previous comments - loved all the historical references, the claustrophobic feeling in the sub, the cgi, the dialogue, and especially the acting.

The looks and glances Amanda makes all through the episode shows that she can play evil so well!

I was blown away by the acting, especially in the death scene and the resuscitation scene, and the timing of Helen grabbing Will's arm was spot on.

:D I'm off to watch it again.

meredithchandler73
December 6th, 2008, 10:01 AM
Just when I think I couldn't love Sanctuary more, an episode like this comes along and truly blows me away. Amazing episode all around!

I tend to stay away from the interviews and such because I don't like spoilers, but people keep referring to Amanda saying this was some of the bravest work she has ever done. When did she say that? Is it a video interview? Audio? Print? Now that I've seen the ep, I'd like to hear what she had to say about it.

I need to go back and watch it ASAP!

GateFanSamJack
December 6th, 2008, 10:39 AM
The grins...

Liar! You bloody liar!

This was too good. I'm at a loss for words.

Like a drug...I'll bet Magnus knows from experience.

I just have to see more evil AT. It's like sunshine.

Naddy
December 6th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Ah, agonal respirations are deep, gasping breaths a person makes just before they go into cardiac arrest. I don't often see actors do that just before they 'die' (they usually act like they're choking on something) so I was impressed to see AT doing them.

I couldn't see what med Will was going for, but I doubt it was an epipen, since that doesn't do much good for a person in cardiac arrest.

Oh, I must have missed Helen blinking, thank goodness I've got the ep recorded. Hmmm, is watching it three times in one night too much? :o :D

Thanks for that explanation. I thought the cardiac arrest thing was really well done.
Just one thing, when I said "epi" I didn't mean an EpiPen, I meant the needle which Will turned around to grab which likely had epinephrine in it. 'Cause you have to introduce it right into the heart.. Anyways, that's what I meant, not an epipen.... :D

Naddy
December 6th, 2008, 10:44 AM
Oops, and I was just gonna say: 3 times in one night, not too much :P

Klenotka
December 6th, 2008, 10:58 AM
It was a great episode. I think this relatively slow pace, with rising tension is exactly the style that fits to Sanctuary.
I loved the interaction between Will and Helen. And I loved the word game between Will and Henry :D I think their relationship has changed since last two episodes, they are more friends than colleagues. And they mentioned Ashley and previous events, which is exactly what I want from a TV show.
I wasn´t sure about Robin Dunne´s acting so far but he was really good, here. Amanda started to get rid of her Carter manerism and started to act little different which is great. I think she was very good, too :)
I am so sorry they have only so few episodes because this show suddenly became from B to A show (speaking of B movies...:D)

hedwig
December 6th, 2008, 11:11 AM
It was a great episode. I think this relatively slow pace, with rising tension is exactly the style that fits to Sanctuary.
I loved the interaction between Will and Helen. And I loved the word game between Will and Henry :D I think their relationship has changed since last two episodes, they are more friends than colleagues. And they mentioned Ashley and previous events, which is exactly what I want from a TV show.
I wasn´t sure about Robin Dunne´s acting so far but he was really good, here. Amanda started to get rid of her Carter manerism and started to act little different which is great. I think she was very good, too :)
I am so sorry they have only so few episodes because this show suddenly became from B to A show (speaking of B movies...:D)

As Will said to Helen at one point, ... he felt like this was the first time in his life he had a family. So re the Will and Henry part, I can see that they are becoming like brothers. And, in spite of the near kiss between Will and Ashley in "Nubbins", I can see that they are becoming more like brother and sister. And I wouldn't say Helen is a mother figure to Will ... more like an Aunt? And while I agree about the "relatively slow pace" comment, I also thought the story moved along pretty quickly (if that makes any sense) ... maybe because of the suspense. I didn't find any part of it that seemed to drag.

GateFanSamJack
December 6th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Thanks to JasminaGo for the screen caps.

I made my first sig line with an image ever.

Edit: oh, fudge, it's not showing up

GateFanSamJack
December 6th, 2008, 11:59 AM
Edit: it's working now.

Skydiver
December 6th, 2008, 12:30 PM
it may just take time for sigs and any changes to sigs to propogate through all of a person's posts on a forum:)

glad it'sworking now.

Klenotka
December 6th, 2008, 12:41 PM
As Will said to Helen at one point, ... he felt like this was the first time in his life he had a family. So re the Will and Henry part, I can see that they are becoming like brothers. And, in spite of the near kiss between Will and Ashley in "Nubbins", I can see that they are becoming more like brother and sister. And I wouldn't say Helen is a mother figure to Will ... more like an Aunt? And while I agree about the "relatively slow pace" comment, I also thought the story moved along pretty quickly (if that makes any sense) ... maybe because of the suspense. I didn't find any part of it that seemed to drag.

I know what you mean. That´s why I said "relatively". It´s like one of those atmospheric horrors where is nothing going but you can feel the suspense and its climax in the end :)
I was a little disappointed that Will didn´t ask about his mother. I almost expected it when Helen wanted him to ask her.
And you are right about the brothers and sisters relationship. For me, it didn´t feel right in Nubbins where they almost kissed. There is no sexual tension between them, just pure friendship or care for each other.

I wonder what is Helen going to do when Ashley gets into her age. It would be weird if a daughter and a mother were the same age. And worse, if Helen had to watch Ashley getting old and die. I am thinking if Helen doesn´t prepare Will for her job because she knows she won´t get to this point.

parsifal
December 6th, 2008, 01:00 PM
1. I thought Helen's judgment of Hoover was rather harsh. He wasn't a dummy.

2. When Helen tried to shoot Will, the chamber was apparently empty. So that would have to mean that neither Helen nor Will chambered the first round, right? Isn't that odd given the situation?

GateFanSamJack
December 6th, 2008, 01:28 PM
I think the round wasn't chambered because Helen was using it to coerce Will, but she (or a part of her) didn't want to kill him. Will didn't know that so he assumed it was chambered - an oversight that Helen didn't notice until she pulled the trigger.

Helen defended herself when Will went to close the hatch on her while she was underwater and protested dying in the other room although she openly invited death at other times. That makes me wonder if dying was part of the plan, but dying where the parasite could not pass to Will wasn't. There's enough ambiguous about the parasite and what the effect on her was so over analyzing just distracts from the grins.

dipsofjazz
December 6th, 2008, 01:48 PM
1. I thought Helen's judgment of Hoover was rather harsh. He wasn't a dummy.

2. When Helen tried to shoot Will, the chamber was apparently empty. So that would have to mean that neither Helen nor Will chambered the first round, right? Isn't that odd given the situation?

After Helen tries to shoot Will and we see that the chamber is empty, Helen walks away but the camera shows the chamber in Will's hand.
I presumed he'd taken it out of the gun before he confronted Helen.

parsifal
December 6th, 2008, 01:56 PM
After Helen tries to shoot Will and we see that the chamber is empty, Helen walks away but the camera shows the chamber in Will's hand.
I presumed he'd taken it out of the gun before he confronted Helen.

I assumed Will removed the magazine while Helen had him pinned.

GateFanSamJack
December 6th, 2008, 02:22 PM
The confusion is that there should still have been one round in the gun chamber that would not have come out with the magazine.

EvenstarSRV
December 6th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Thanks for that explanation. I thought the cardiac arrest thing was really well done.
Just one thing, when I said "epi" I didn't mean an EpiPen, I meant the needle which Will turned around to grab which likely had epinephrine in it. 'Cause you have to introduce it right into the heart.. Anyways, that's what I meant, not an epipen.... :D

Ah, gotcha. When I see 'epi' I think of the pens first. :cool:

The cardiac arrest scene was well done, Will even had the paddle positions pretty correct. I'm a sort of paramedic-in-training, so stuff like that jumps out at me. :o

And I did watch it for a third time last night..... :D

dipsofjazz
December 6th, 2008, 03:04 PM
The confusion is that there should still have been one round in the gun chamber that would not have come out with the magazine.

:D Ah, I understand now.

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
December 6th, 2008, 03:29 PM
The first round isn't chambered until the gun is cocked and, at least in tv shows, when a gun is going to be used to shoot someone we always see the shooter load the gun and chamber the first round. At least that what it seems like to me. If we don't see the first shot chambered, no one's getting shot.

I was impressed by Helen's strength, physically just letting Will have it. I was more impressed that Will managed to remove the clip after Helen had pinned him. It was a heads up move, as they say.




Most points I was going to make have already been said, loved the beginning, with all of the references to the famous people, loved Henry on the communicator, and I definetely was reminded of Legacy and Machello's Goa'uld . . . bug thingies.



I'm glad someone else thought about "Legacy" as well.

I also really hope we get an episode of like flashes of Helen's life. I dunno, like maybe she gets in injured or concussed and needs to keep awake so someone, probably Will, will ask her about some of the things she has seen and we'll be treated to neat flashbacks. Like Helen going all BloodRayne on some Nazi's or something like that.

mr_kennedy
December 6th, 2008, 04:08 PM
best sanctuary episode ever

9/10

i wonder if those invisible things are related to those other invisible things that made daniel crazy in sg-1 :D, maybe machello lives in the bermuda triangle :p

prsweety
December 6th, 2008, 04:10 PM
What is there to say..................AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME.....AMANDA..........AWESOME AWESOME.....

Amanda needs to win an award for this...something...excellent performace.......

AWESOME......

Rocky89
December 6th, 2008, 04:42 PM
amanda was amazing!!! :samanime51:

(((amanda)))

you're a fantastic actress!! :D

and no dastardly deeds prevented me from recording this episode (you know, cable goes out, the vcr breaks down, a crazed possum goes on the rampage and eats the trees across the street that causes them to fall over and crush the house, etc)

I've been waiting to hear what you've thought about the episode all day hon :). I'm glad you loved it, and I'm glad you think Amanda was amazing ;). Btw, I had no I idea things like that could happen to prevent me from taping Sanctuary :eek:. Now I've gotta be twice as careful :tealc39:.


this is now my number ONE fave ep, with 'the five' and 'kush' coming in no's 2 and 3.

i don't even know where to begin... okay, i have one complaint... i didn't want it to end!!

i think i'll go and read others reviews and reply. my brain's racing too much. :p

Your episode list is the same as mine Sally, Requiem will always be my favorite, well for now at least until I see a better episode, but right now Requiem seems hard to beat ;). Oh, I can't wait to read your full review. *High five*


i don't think i'll ever get past the fear that helen's own personal sanctuary is her death. after seeing 'xena's' last ep... so helen saying to will about her passing it on to him when she's not around anymore...

BUT, i'll try to let that go for the moment and say that i enjoyed the bonding of helen and will. and i really enjoying will in this ep more than i ever have.


yes on everything! i think my brain's a bit fried. :p

I know what you mean, I feel sorry for Helen too :(. It's sad that she considers death her personal Sanctuary, But I think this episode was also great for the character not just what ALL I said in my little review :p, but I think, I hope this experience stays with Helen for a while.

In this episode, more than any other so far, Helen's talked about how lonely her life is, and how she's had to bury her friends, family, and lovers, and what causes her great pain is knowing everyone she meets, everyone she knows and cares for will eventually die, but not her :(. And because of that she feels alone, and she can't relate to anyone because of her immortality. And that's probably what she's felt as kept her apart the most from "normal" people. But she did in fact die (ONLY FOR A MINUTE :() she did experience dying and death, so now she may know what it means to live and die, and now she may not feel as distant from people as before. She can be hurt, she can feel pain, physically and emotionally, she can die, she is mortal, she *is* human :).


a quick question on that scene. the first time we saw helen grinning (just after will ran into another room); did the camera kind of go slow-mo on her face while she was doing it?

there's just soooooooo much for me to talk about, my brain's all over the place in trying to put it into words and phrases.

I know what you mean Sally, I saw Reqiuem last night at 8, and it, believe it or not, but it took me like 4 hours to write that review :eek:. And yeah, I loved that slow-mo part when she had that crazy look on her face. Amazing actress right there. :samanime20:


that scene, like *so* many others, was fabulous! it reminded me of a scene from the movie 'abyss', which happened to be my favorite scene. (i only wish helen's eyes wouldn't have still been open when she you-know-whated. :()

*Hugs* it's OK hon, it's OK Helen's fine now, OK? Helens fine.


i'm just totally fangirling amanda right now. bravo, woman, totally bravo. :samanime51:

You like this Amanda Tapping don't yeah? *Squee*


i thought that was what the mermaid was called. :p i'm honored, i'm on sanctuary! :p

Good for you hon, I thought of you the second I heard that. *High fives Sally*

majorsal
December 6th, 2008, 05:06 PM
the sanctuary ptb need to reimburse me for all the gas i wasted driving my mom and i to lunch. why? because i got lost 2 times on our way because i was so busy talking about 'requiem'! :p

wait, make that 2 and a half times, because even when i found the place, i almost drove by it because, yes, i was talking about 'requiem' again!

majorsal
December 6th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Well, I guess my only comment is I hope whoever is in charge of award nominations (Gemini, Saturn?) was watching this episode!:) Both performances were award-worthy.

how about an 'emmy' award (american version of tv awards)? oh, wait, it's a totally canadian product... so what, she still deserves it! and it's on an american tv station, so there!

and the emmy goes to, amanda tapping, for best performance by a lead female for 'requiem'.

:D

majorsal
December 6th, 2008, 05:20 PM
Most points I was going to make have already been said, loved the beginning, with all of the references to the famous people, loved Henry on the communicator, and I definetely was reminded of Legacy and Machello's Goa'uld . . . bug thingies.



i didn't tell my mom any spoilers, and i 'did' read a few :weiranime34:, so when she saw the very beginning, she thought will was the one bad. she loved being tricked. :p

majorsal
December 6th, 2008, 05:28 PM
why did helen feel relief from the pain if the sub went to a lower depth? is it because the parasite did?


i also liked that this wasn't an entity taking her over and altering her personality/mind into it's own, but that the parasite stimulated the parts of our brains that regulate our emotions and such.

hmm, this was kind of like helen with pms, only a crack version of it. :p

majorsal
December 6th, 2008, 06:23 PM
But she did die (ONLY FOR A MINUTE :() she did experience dying and death, so now she may know what it means to live and die, and now she may not feel as distant from people as she does. She is human :).


wow, rocky, that's a great insight! *ponders some more* that's actually making me feel a bit less scared. :)

Skydiver
December 6th, 2008, 07:39 PM
there's a difference between the 'magazine' (what was in will's hand) and the 'chamber', which is basically the 'back' of the barrel of the pistol.

will removed the magazine, yet there could have been a bullet in the chamber, had will or helen 'cocked' the weapon....moved a bullet from the magazine into the firing chamber

If you've ever bowled, think of the 'magazine' as the little place where the bowling balls rest, the 'chamber' is in the hand of the bowler as s/he is ready to roll them down the lane, and the lane is the barrel.

the fifth man
December 6th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Really good episode last night. This show has really impressed me so far.

EvenstarSRV
December 6th, 2008, 09:02 PM
In this episode my than any other so far, Helen's talked about how lonely her life is, and how she's had to bury her friends, family, and lovers, and what causes her great pain is knowing everyone she meets, everyone she knows and cares for will eventually die, but not her :(. and because of that she feels alone, and she can't relatr to anyone because of her immortality. But she did die (ONLY FOR A MINUTE :() she did experience dying and death, so now she may know what it means to live and die, and now she may not feel as distant from people as she does. She is human :).
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Hmm, that's an interesting point, but I wonder if dying would make her feel closer to people. I kinda think it would make it even harder for her to relate because she's experienced something that most people haven't yet. Though you're right, it probably does make her feel a little bit more human.


why did helen feel relief from the pain if the sub went to a lower depth? is it because the parasite did?


My guess is that it was the parasite forcing her to want to go deeper. I think in the beginning when they find the remains of the merfolk, Helen mentions that they're at a deeper depth than their normal habitat, and so perhaps they were forced deeper because of the parasite.

Rocky89
December 6th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Has anyone else seen this ep yet?
I just watched it and thought Amanda Tapping and Robin Dunne were phenomenal.

Have I seen the ep? Hmm... let me check my posts records to see if I find something..... :jonasanime08:

Oh wait, I found something-- http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9350858&postcount=10


Yes. This episode was out of the world awesome. Amanda did an amazing job in losing her mind. Some of the looks she gave were just downright creepy, but everything played out real well. I really like episodes like this. Where it's just a character confined to a small space or alone in a big space. There's just so much more you can accomplish character-wise in these types of episodes. I really...really love these episodes. I don't know how much better I can phrase it and Sanctuary had 2 in one season. These are just solely character driven plots. A little peril and a bunch of soul searching, beautiful.

Beautifully put. I know I can't possibly say anything more than what I already said in my HUGE review post :P, but I agree with you, I love character driven stories, and this is one of the best I've ever seen in a Sci-fi show ;). Put Amanda in that scene, and you've got yourself a great story :samanime20:.


All that being said, and I loved this episode, it reminded me ALOT of "Legacy" from season 3 of SG-1 right down to when that thing came out of her ear (It looked vaguely like an atrophied symbiote in my opinion). Which is fine because "Legacy" is one of my favorite episodes.

So over all, and over rambling, fantastic episode.

True, it did feel a little like Legacy, but IHMO, Amanda plays crazy better than MS :sam59: :danielanime07:.



I too love the character development in this one. I love the Helen/Will dynamic, and I thought that scene at the end where he's trying to resuscitate her was just perfect and extremely, extremely well done.

Something I'm constantly surprised about is how I don't see Sam at all when I'm watching Sanctuary. I kind of expected to a bit initially 'cause I've watched so much SG1. But even when Magnus is doing mechanical stuff like Carter sometimes did, I still don't see any of Carter and it just makes me think they're doing such a good job with Magnus....

Can't wait until the next one...

I could feel Will's desperation to save Helen, and the music and the acting of course was just BANG, amazing ;). And yeah, I know what you mean, like I've said before, sometimes when I'm watching Sanctuary I think of Sam sometimes, because I miss her, I MISS her a LOT , also when Helen starts talking technobabble. But Amanda does an amazing job playing Helen, just as she does paying Sam, she's so convincing that you really believe that she's two totally different people. Helen's Helen, and Sam's Sam, and that's that. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/SGASam_applause-1.gif http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif


I agree, both of them were just fantastic, I can see why AT feels this was her bravest work and how she trusted RD and MW to do those scenes.

That's right, from Amanda own words--


"There’s an episode called Requiem which for me personally was the bravest work I’ve ever done as an actor. I don’t think I would’ve been able to do that had I not felt so safe."


"We recently shot an episode called "Requiem" where it was just me and Robin stuck in a submarine," notes the actress. "It might sound like "Grace Under Pressure" from [season two] of Stargate Atlantis, but it's so not that. If you watch the opening teaser you're not sure who's gone crazy, Helen or Will. For me, and I think I can speak for Robin, too, it was the bravest, scariest work I've ever done as an actor, and I did a lot of great stuff on Stargate. This was a very physical and emotional story. Consequently, I'm totally exhausted right now, we were wet for a good part of the episode; I spent from eight in the morning until 10:30 at night soaked to the skin, which
after a while starts to get uncomfortable. At the end of the day, though, it was like, `Wow, we just pulled off something pretty neat...we hope."


"We return this week for one of my favourite episodes "Requiem". It's a two hander with Will and Magnus. I loved shooting this episode! It was the most challenging work I've ever done.

It also solidified in granite my belief in the talents of Martin Wood and Robin Dunne and our lovely scribe, Damian Kindler.

I'm immensely proud of the episode and hope you all enjoy it!"

After watching the episode, I can definitely see why she said all those things, and all I can say is:

BRAVO AMANDA! http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif


I also really liked Will and Helen discussing how hard it is for her to relate to people, even Ashley, and Will's role and future at the Sanctuary, both before and while Helen was going crazy. And Helen talking about the curse of her long life, that no one is meant to live forever and the pain's she gone through because of it. It was great to see that dark undercurrent to Helen, which she can probably usually suppress with her work and with her interactions Ashley, Will, and the others.

AT did an amazing job showing Helen being taken over by that parasite, going 'crazy' but still able to act methodically and rationally as fitting with Helen's personality. Loved the scene when she tries to goad Will into shooting her and then turns the gun on him. And when the sub was flooding and sinking and Helen's grinning while trying to 'fix' it. And when Will is tied up and Helen's going on about 'seeing the sunshine'. And pretty much every scene. :)

Did you get some of that from my review post? :P, The looks on Helen's face were looks I've never seen on Amanda or Sam before, they were just dark, evil, crazy and scary to the core :samanime24:. I loved that 'seeing the sunshine' line, it was just freaky, I honestly don't know what was better, Helen's crazy talk or her actions. With an actress as brilliant as Amanda, it's sometimes hard to tell :samanime20:. If there are performances like this in future episodes, that'll be really awesome ;). I'd love to see Sam do those things :samanime15:


Holy cow.

Fantastic episode.

Acting, directing, vis effects, writing, everything. I loved every real and virtual shot of the sub, the sub sounds, the claustophobic feel of it all.

The dialogue was great, the story kept me on the edge of my seat, and the historical quips were funny.

Totally intense, creepily real death/ resuscitation scenes. Wow. AT is always suberb. Dunne was perfectly frantic, his panic so palpable I started to feel panicky.

Brilliant acting all the way through, absolutely stunning.

I loved all the little character clues we got, too. The insights into how each of them clicks.

Great job!!! Thanks to all involved!!

WOOHOO!!

A massive standing ovation!

:)

Wow, you like that episode didn't you, but than again, what wasn't to like? :samanime51:. You know, I assume you read my review, how couldn't you? it's a mile on :D, in it, I did everything but give a standing ovation. But it's not too late *Stands up and gives a more massive standing ovation* Ow, my head hit the floor :D.


What a terrific episode! Amanda and Robin both delivered powerful performances. Best episode so far. Well done, kudos to everyone involved.

BEST episode, BEST acting, BEST everything *WOO HOO*.

Rocky89
December 6th, 2008, 09:47 PM
I have another 6 hours to wait!
Assuming Helen wants to pass the Sanctuary onto Will after her death, Helen must be planning on dieing before Will...which has me assuming she definitely doesn't want to be around to watch Ashley grow old and die...so how could this possibly happen?? Unless she has plans in place to end her life or a cure to her immortality??

I don't want anyone to die, ESPECIALLY HELEN! :( I could not handle that, just as I couldn't handle Sam dying in TLM, before we knew she survived and that it was an "AT", thank God *sighs*. To quote my friend Sally, "i swear to gawd, if this series ends with helen being freed of her curse by dying, i'll puke a dog."

^ What she said ;).


From what I have read about the ep...btw, thank you Rocky!!...I think we're gonna be hard pressed to find another ep better than this one...for this season at least!
6 freakin' hours...I can't believe I have to wait 6 more hours...D'oH!!!

Thank you Chelle, and you're right, Requiem is gonna be real tough to beat. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif


This seems to be a standard way for me to start a post, but... WOW!!!!!

I was really looking forward to this episode for a long time, but it went beyond anything I expected. Everything was just perfect. The writing, the directing, the music...but Amanda's performance simply blew me away. Again WOW!!! Helen slowly loosing her mind, trying to hold on and figure out what's wrong, (when the pain started the second time and she had tears in her eyes I just wanted to hug her.), her interactions with Will, the feelings about Ashley and what her longevity means to her...not to mention every single crazy moment she had. It was all brilliant.

Also Helen seemed very strong physically, not just that she slapped Will around a few times (:p), but when he tried to close the hatch, he had his weight on top of it, and yet Helen pushed it away with one hand, without much trouble.

:D That's how I start my posts too sometimes :). I had been looking forward to this episode for a while, more than any other episode ;). I also gave this episode the most attention, I mean I was at the edge of my seat. At some points, I was saying to Helen "You're crazy, you are crazy". Other parts I was squeeing out loud like Sally :P, heck, some of the things Helen said and did gave me chills :jack_new_anime05:. Like when she whispered into Will's ear *Chills*


Watching this episode makes me want to see Amanda play a bad guy...girl in a movie.

All in all, congrats on the Sanctuary team for another amazing episode. :)

Also I made around 500 caps, free to use them for what ever you want. 09 Requiem.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/74731490/9ba291e7/09_Requiem.html)

p.s. I just wanted to add another WOW!!!

That's a good idea, could you imagine if Amanda ever played crazy killer in a movie or show :samanime24:. Let me join you in that congrats, but not just in another amazing episode, but my favorite one, and IHO, the BEST episode yet ;).

Oh no, those pics don't work for me :(.


WOW!! Best episode of Sanctuary by far! You don't need all the green screen and special effects for a fantastic episode. Amanda and Robin were amazing! Bravo to them and Martin Wood and Damian. I also loved all the character moments that others mentioned. I hope we get more of this in Season 2.

Exactly, it's all about the acting, if the acting is right, and the fans love it, that's what matters ;). And what I saw in that episode was some of the BEST DANG ACTING I'VE SEEN, I like said in my review, Requiem was Sanctuary's Line in the Sand, but WAY better. ;). I'd love to see more like this in future eps. *YAY*


One thing that I miss in Sanctuary so far, is that there is little shown of what Helen did in the past. Yes, there was a little in The Five, but that was just 1 moment, when "the 5" injected themselves. I am waiting for a episode where we see Helen during WW1 or WW2 or the Great Depression where we see what she was doing, how she is dealing with her friends and lovers getting old and dying (what does she tell them when they see she is not aging).

I've thought about that a couple of times, I mean in the opening credits we see pics of her with Einstein, and what not. But sometimes I wonder how she got around, meeting new people, making friends, and such, without anyone noticing she wasn't aging. I have 3 theories about that:

1. Perhaps she told them and/or some of them who she is, and how old she really was at the time, and how she got like that, just like she did with Will.

2. She did something to them, or herself to appear to be aging.

3. She didn't stay for a very long time, she left after a curtain point so no one would notice she wasn't aging, but she came back after they died, and/or *just* before they died so she could say could good-bye.

Well, those are my theories *wink*.



Holy Hannah! What a fabulous episode.

I agree with all the previous comments - loved all the historical references, the claustrophobic feeling in the sub, the cgi, the dialogue, and especially the acting.

The looks and glances Amanda makes all through the episode shows that she can play evil so well!

I was blown away by the acting, especially in the death scene and the resuscitation scene, and the timing of Helen grabbing Will's arm was spot on.

I'm off to watch it again.


Just when I think I couldn't love Sanctuary more, an episode like this comes along and truly blows me away. Amazing episode all around!

I tend to stay away from the interviews and such because I don't like spoilers, but people keep referring to Amanda saying this was some of the bravest work she has ever done. When did she say that? Is it a video interview? Audio? Print? Now that I've seen the ep, I'd like to hear what she had to say about it.

I need to go back and watch it ASAP!

I know eh, just one you think Amanda can't impresses or amaze you anymore, BOOM, she does :samanime20:. She amazes me more and more every month.

(((Amanda)))



The grins...

Liar! You bloody liar!

This was too good. I'm at a loss for words.

Like a drug...I'll bet Magnus knows from experience.

I just have to see more evil AT. It's like sunshine.


Edit: it's working now.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, that is an AWESOME sig ;). That pic gives me chills because it reminds me of that moment, and all the other crazy Helen moments. I loved them ;).


best sanctuary episode ever

9/10

i wonder if those invisible things are related to those other invisible things that made daniel crazy in sg-1, maybe machello lives in the bermuda triangle

Well said, although for me, my verdict was, and still is a soild 10/10!


the sanctuary ptb need to reimburse me for all the gas i wasted driving my mom and i to lunch. why? because i got lost 2 times on our way because i was so busy talking about 'requiem'!

wait, make that 2 and a half times, because even when i found the place, i almost drove by it because, yes, i was talking about 'requiem' again!

You make me laugh Sally :D. Sometimes when I'm driving, or pretty much doing anything, I lose focus because all I think about is Amanda or Sam, or Helen, or Amanda again :P.

But mostly Helen on Friday nights.

(((~TAE~)))

Rocky89
December 6th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Well, I guess my only comment is I hope whoever is in charge of award nominations (Gemini, Saturn?) was watching this episode!:) Both performances were award-worthy.


What is there to say..................AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME.....AMANDA..........AWESOME AWESOME.....

Amanda needs to win an award for this...something...excellent performace.......

AWESOME......


how about an 'emmy' award (american version of tv awards)? oh, wait, it's a totally canadian product... so what, she still deserves it! and it's on an american tv station, so there!

and the emmy goes to, amanda tapping, for best performance by a lead female for 'requiem'.

:D

YES, YES, YES :):):). Awesome you guys, I love that ;). I would LOVE nothing more than to see Amanda win an award for Requiem, an award she sooooooooooooo rightfully deserves :samanime20:. I would squee like crazy, if she won a Gemini, Saturn or better yet, an Emmy :). Amanda truly deserves an award for Requiem, she put so much acting skill, effort, talent and passion into the episode it's amazing :). Can we contact or do something to help get her nominated?

Of course if she did win, knowing Amanda, she'd be all surprised and what not :D.

GO AMANDA http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif

hedwig
December 6th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Does anybody know how nominations are made? Is there a committee or something that decides who gets nominated, or do people like us (fans) get to write in and make recommendations? I think an Emmy would be great, but have they ever really given any for SciFi-type stories, series, or acting in same?

Chelle DB
December 6th, 2008, 11:35 PM
I agree with you A about the Nautilus...rather cliched! BUT...wasn't it cool to learn more abut her past and the fact that Ashley is 23...we have an age!!
So cross cross posting from one thread to another...my vague and rather simple post about Requiem...
I watched it first thing this morning but then I had to go to work...so I was late from watching the ep but I couldn't be that late to post about it...sorry!
I think the team out did themselves. I don't know how they are going to better this one. Requiem certainly did not disappoint.
Amanda was just awesome. No single word can accurately describe Amanda's performance in this ep.
Robin...OMG...I have such a new respect for Robin. It's just grows all the time!
My favourite scene...well I actually have a few favourite scenes but the whole scene where Helen dies...OMG...AMAZING!!
And when Helen is fixing the valve thingy and she's got this evil smile...ahhhh!!
The scene where Will is reviving Helen...it ended to quickly but it was fantastic!
Every time there is a brilliant episode no matter what the show, it always ends to quickly for me...but that's showbiz...I know they have time constraints but...OMG...Requiem has got to rate the highest for the season.
Amanda and Robin both deserve top honours for their performances in this ep.
I don't think I can praise the whole team at Sanctuary, high enough.
It was brilliant...just bloody brilliant!

Chelle DB
December 6th, 2008, 11:41 PM
On the award thing...if Amanda doesn't get one for her performance in Requiem...then I'll be mighty peeved! There would have to be something seriously wrong with the way the awards are handed out if she misses out here...and I don't say that coz I love the woman...oh no...she was just incredible in the ep. The best!! I want to see more of this!! Please please please...I want more emotional Helen...in what capacity is no worries...I'll take anything but give me more Helen emotion!! Angry Helen, tough Helen, mad Helen, crazy Helen, happy Helen, sad Helen, tired Helen, frustrated Helen, hurt Helen...you get the picture! :D

Klenotka
December 7th, 2008, 03:59 AM
I wonder if this show are also watching people who are not big fans of Amanda (like me). Just curious.
I think she was very good but I am watching the show bc of the topic of the show, not Amanda. But yeah, she was OK :)

hedwig
December 7th, 2008, 09:23 AM
On the award thing...if Amanda doesn't get one for her performance in Requiem...then I'll be mighty peeved! There would have to be something seriously wrong with the way the awards are handed out if she misses out here...and I don't say that coz I love the woman...oh no...she was just incredible in the ep. The best!! I want to see more of this!! Please please please...I want more emotional Helen...in what capacity is no worries...I'll take anything but give me more Helen emotion!! Angry Helen, tough Helen, mad Helen, crazy Helen, happy Helen, sad Helen, tired Helen, frustrated Helen, hurt Helen...you get the picture! :D


Only slightly OT here ... but next week's episode looks rather interesting in that there's a character who is supposed to be Helen's father ... in the present apparently. One of the clips has Helen telling an "older" man "I'm your daughter"!??? That should cause some interesting emotions.

Skydiver
December 7th, 2008, 09:26 AM
not to mention

next week spec

here is the idea that helen and 'the five' are the only long lived ones, yet here's 'daddy' who's still alive...thus implying that 'the five' aren't the only ones that are 'immortal'

Mandysg1
December 7th, 2008, 09:59 AM
not to mention

next week spec

here is the idea that helen and 'the five' are the only long lived ones, yet here's 'daddy' who's still alive...thus implying that 'the five' aren't the only ones that are 'immortal'

LOL, what's funny is he was on that show about immortals, Hylander :D

tagger
December 7th, 2008, 10:34 AM
But she did in fact die (ONLY FOR A MINUTE :() she did experience dying and death, so now she may know what it means to live and die, and now she may not feel as distant from people as before. She can be hurt, she can feel pain, physically and emotionally, she can die, she is mortal, she *is* human :).

I was wondering if Helen actually died? I think she might have been resuscitated before death or even any brain damage occured (hopefully). Timelines in TV are relative, I know, but hopefully she was only out seconds, not minutes? She was pretty normal when she regained consciousness. (this is not super important, I was just wondering. I guess it depends on how you define death. Fortunately, a medically defined death did not occur, but who knows what Helen experienced while she was out?)


On the award thing...if Amanda doesn't get one for her performance in Requiem...then I'll be mighty peeved! There would have to be something seriously wrong with the way the awards are handed out if she misses out here...

I totally agree.

How do you top a performance like that? They pulled out all the stops - I was exhausted for them just watching it.


not to mention

next week spec

here is the idea that helen and 'the five' are the only long lived ones, yet here's 'daddy' who's still alive...thus implying that 'the five' aren't the only ones that are 'immortal'

Cool. More than one way to end up long-lived. That would give us a ton of potential story lines.

I wondered about the parasite that attacked Helen. On the microscopic views, it looked multicellular or with a bunch of organelles, but then when it came out of her, it was huge (relative to a cell)... maybe the cellular stage was the baby stage, and then as it grew, it became the slimy mini cobra?

tagger
December 7th, 2008, 10:44 AM
Wow, you like that episode didn't you, but than again, what wasn't to like? :samanime51:. You know, I assume you read my review, how couldn't you? it's a mile on :D, in it, I did everything but give a standing ovation. But it's not too late *Stands up and gives a more massive standing ovation* Ow, my head hit the floor :D.



BEST episode, BEST acting, BEST everything *WOO HOO*.

LOL, hope your head is ok. :)

And, yes, I loved this episode, the acting blew me away.


Does anybody know how nominations are made? Is there a committee or something that decides who gets nominated, or do people like us (fans) get to write in and make recommendations? I think an Emmy would be great, but have they ever really given any for SciFi-type stories, series, or acting in same?

When we were talking yesterday about all the awards AT and Robin should get for their work in this episode, someone much smarter than me told me scifi is not included in the Emmy categories. How weird is that. I had no idea, but this is Emmy worthy, or some super fantastic award worthy. Then again, doing such a great job is it's own reward, you know when you hit something out of the park. :)

Skydiver
December 7th, 2008, 10:53 AM
sorry guys, i meant to tag my speculation about n ext week. I hope no one was horribly spoiled

chocdoc
December 7th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Everyone has already said so many wonderful comments. I'll just add, like others, that I thought Amanda and Robin Dunne were excellent in this episode. I loved it. I specifically loved seeing Amanda in this role of someone going over the edge. This episode flew by because the acting was so superb. Sanctuary continues to improve with each episode -- more and more character depth intermixed with better and better storytelling. I am now officially hooked because of all the characters -- I like them all (felt that way about the early SG-1 days of the team and also Babylon 5). I initially watched Sanctuary because of Amanda, but I'll admit that if I just didn't like the show I wouldn't watch even though she is in it. Well, I'm fortunate because I really like the stories and characters so far and want to know more. And although TV has changed in that women are now more likely to be in lead roles than before, Amanda's Helen is somewhat unique in that it is still uncommon to see women in their 40s be a lead of a scifi show. And Helen, like Sam, is another great character to portray. Go Amanda and the Sanctuary team!

Skydiver
December 7th, 2008, 11:07 AM
i like how, when will and henry did the 'nicknames' bits, she was just so 'she has a real name you know' but didn't exactly condemn them or anything over it. i think she knew that the nickname wasn't meanly meant, but the guys' way of dealing with some of the abbies.

and then, i think, when will knew to and had the ability to kill helen to stop the paracite, she knew that he was 'ready' so to speak. that he can make the tough decisions necessary to do her job.

because part of running the sanctuary is to help others, and another part is knowing when they are beyond help and need to be stopped.

I kinda like, other than will's rather clumsy 'only family i have' line, there was no melodrama and angst. Just two people trying to fix a bad situation.

Tittamiire
December 7th, 2008, 11:58 AM
I loved this episode...it was really good, some excellent acting, tight shooting and just cool stuff.

The banter with Henry was awesome.

The parallel between the descent of the sub and the descent into madness struck me as niftily done.

I like that things are still iffy between Helen and Ashley and that nothing in all her 157 years has fully equipped her to deal with that.

Also liked the flip around between Will and Helen. Will got the rug pulled out from under him so to speak when he had to be the one to find way out and Helen was worse than incapacitated, but he came through...go Will.

Again I'm in love with the details, the details on the set, in shooting angles and in shots, like Helen's pupils dilating and stuff.

I'll stop rambling now lol.

parsifal
December 7th, 2008, 12:14 PM
i'm just totally fangirling amanda right now. bravo, woman, totally bravo. :samanime51:

*cough*Brava*cough* ;)

chocdoc
December 7th, 2008, 12:34 PM
i like how, when will and henry did the 'nicknames' bits, she was just so 'she has a real name you know' but didn't exactly condemn them or anything over it. i think she knew that the nickname wasn't meanly meant, but the guys' way of dealing with some of the abbies.

and then, i think, when will knew to and had the ability to kill helen to stop the paracite, she knew that he was 'ready' so to speak. that he can make the tough decisions necessary to do her job.

because part of running the sanctuary is to help others, and another part is knowing when they are beyond help and need to be stopped.

I kinda like, other than will's rather clumsy 'only family i have' line, there was no melodrama and angst. Just two people trying to fix a bad situation.


It seems like there is a lot of positive response about this episode, but I've read a few comments elsewhere that complain about Will being a "wimp". I don't see him as a "wimp" at all. He is able to make tough decisions and he is smart. He knows Magnus is extremely powerful, and he handled this almost impossible situation very well. I wonder if Daniel was thought by some to be a "wimp" in the early seasons of SG-1. I didn't see him as a "wimp" either. I guess I like these type of characters, along with a Henry-type as well, whatever that is!

hedwig
December 7th, 2008, 02:17 PM
LOL, hope your head is ok. :)

And, yes, I loved this episode, the acting blew me away.



When we were talking yesterday about all the awards AT and Robin should get for their work in this episode, someone much smarter than me told me scifi is not included in the Emmy categories. How weird is that. I had no idea, but this is Emmy worthy, or some super fantastic award worthy. Then again, doing such a great job is it's own reward, you know when you hit something out of the park. :)

I noticed many years ago that actors/shows in the "scifi" category never (or rarely) get nominated for an Emmy. And I think that's a shame since I thought the Emmy awards were about performances and not about category. There are plenty of people in scifi series that have given Emmy-worthy performances, but never got nominated.:(

And you're right about the job being it's own reward. They aren't doing it for awards, they're doing it because they love what they are doing.:)

EvenstarSRV
December 7th, 2008, 06:53 PM
It seems like there is a lot of positive response about this episode, but I've read a few comments elsewhere that complain about Will being a "wimp". I don't see him as a "wimp" at all. He is able to make tough decisions and he is smart. He knows Magnus is extremely powerful, and he handled this almost impossible situation very well. I wonder if Daniel was thought by some to be a "wimp" in the early seasons of SG-1. I didn't see him as a "wimp" either. I guess I like these type of characters, along with a Henry-type as well, whatever that is!

I don't really get the 'wimp' characterization either, since in the end Will was able to kill Helen, rather creatively as well. He may not have been able to over-power her directly, but he was able to out-smart her, which is no mean feat.


I noticed many years ago that actors/shows in the "scifi" category never (or rarely) get nominated for an Emmy. And I think that's a shame since I thought the Emmy awards were about performances and not about category. There are plenty of people in scifi series that have given Emmy-worthy performances, but never got nominated.:(

And you're right about the job being it's own reward. They aren't doing it for awards, they're doing it because they love what they are doing.:)

The same tends to hold true for sci-fi/fantasy films at the Academy Awards, which is why I was so ecstatic when Lord of the Rings: Return of the King won 11 Oscars, including Best Picture. :)

Skydiver
December 7th, 2008, 07:18 PM
IMHO, will is not a wimp.

will he ever be able to 'take' biggy on one to one combat? heck no. but physical strength does not anti-wimp make.

as to the predjudice against scifi? been around for years. personally, the oonly reason ROTK won is because it would have been criminal to ignore peter jackson's accomplishments. the oscars and thus the emmys have a snotty attitude towards scifi or comedy. in their narrow little world view, the only 'good' performances stem from dramatic movies

Briangate78
December 7th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Another solid episode from Sanctuary. Very good character moments and some really good acting from Amanda Tapping. The ending was a little predictable. When I saw Will standing next to the Liquid Nitrogen earlier in the ep, I had a feeling they would be using that to save the day or defeat the threat. Overall a great episode. Seems like SGA is not the only one splitting up the team. There was no Ashley in this ep, and only a quick appearance by Henry. I think this show is entertaining because it has a lot of cast and crew from Stargate. It is my cup of Tea afterall.

majorsal
December 7th, 2008, 08:28 PM
On the award thing...if Amanda doesn't get one for her performance in Requiem...then I'll be mighty peeved! There would have to be something seriously wrong with the way the awards are handed out if she misses out here...and I don't say that coz I love the woman...oh no...she was just incredible in the ep. The best!!

YES!

that's on everything. :p


I want to see more of this!! Please please please...I want more emotional Helen...in what capacity is no worries...I'll take anything but give me more Helen emotion!! Angry Helen, tough Helen, mad Helen, crazy Helen, happy Helen, sad Helen, tired Helen, frustrated Helen, hurt Helen...you get the picture! :D

i love this show, but it's megga strength is helen/amanda. and i want all those things too!!

:sam59:

majorsal
December 7th, 2008, 08:52 PM
*cough*Brava*cough* ;)

ah, you're right! i looked up both words and brava is for the woman, where bravo is for the man.

i don't want to have to remember this! :p


(edit)

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=8&q=bravo

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brava

the bravo one doesn't say it's for the male, just any performer, but then why have a separate one for a female? oy. :p

Amalthea
December 8th, 2008, 12:13 AM
This was a brilliant, brilliant episode! I watched it just before bed at 1am and I was worried I might have nightmares! Amanda deserves every acting award I can think of. She was a very convincing crazy. I love, love, LOVED it! More, more, more!

Briangate78
December 8th, 2008, 06:53 AM
This was a brilliant, brilliant episode! I watched it just before bed at 1am and I was worried I might have nightmares! Amanda deserves every acting award I can think of. She was a very convincing crazy. I love, love, LOVED it! More, more, more!

Amanda has impressed me from day one on SG-1!

GateFanSamJack
December 8th, 2008, 07:58 AM
About Helen's death and brain damage...I would think stopping breathing at such a depth would give you extra time. Your blood absorbs more gases at that depth. (I'll just ignore what the depth implies for whether a Liq. Nitrogen hose will blow out at that depth when it doesn't even do that at sea level.)

Anyhow, I need to figure out if I'm going to keep staying home with my kids while they are still small or get a job so I can afford Season 1 Sanctuary DVD's when they come out. Decisions, decisions...well, at least I know I'm going to get off the internet and search my son's room for the nightlight bulb he claims he lost before the baby finds it.

jckfan55
December 8th, 2008, 09:12 AM
I can't even comment on my favorite parts b/c the *whole episode* was so solid. Dark Magnus was great. AT did a *wonderful* job. It never felt like "here's an actor playing going crazy"--I was totally involved in the character.
I've commented in the past on Will not being my favorite, but he was really good here.

sweetviviane
December 8th, 2008, 01:49 PM
OMG I Love Sanctuary Requiem was the best episode so far... the dynamic and everything was just fantastic...
I just had to watch it twice:)

SANCTUARY ROCKS

Cagranosalis
December 8th, 2008, 04:00 PM
I know I don't comment here much but, I think this episode has just turned me from an interetsed viewer into a full on fan. Don't think a series has ever done that to me so soon after first airing.

Everything about Sanctury is great and, this episode, in particular, just shines. :)

Rocky89
December 8th, 2008, 08:36 PM
I watched it first thing this morning but then I had to go to work...so I was late from watching the ep but I couldn't be that late to post about it...sorry!
I think the team out did themselves. I don't know how they are going to better this one. Requiem certainly did not disappoint.
Amanda was just awesome. No single word can accurately describe Amanda's performance in this ep.
Robin...OMG...I have such a new respect for Robin. It's just grows all the time!

Well said Chelle. No way was Requiem a disappoint for Amanda fans, it certainly wasn't to me :). I loved every second of it, Amanda just blew me away like never before ;). I like you said, no single word can accurately describe Amanda's performance, even in my review, and what I've said since, I still don't feel like I've quite illustrated my point :P. I could on for pages on how amazing Amanda was, but I'd still not quite make my point, also because it'd be considered spamming :D.


My favourite scene...well I actually have a few favourite scenes but the whole scene where Helen dies...OMG...AMAZING!!
And when Helen is fixing the valve thingy and she's got this evil smile...ahhhh!!
The scene where Will is reviving Helen...it ended to quickly but it was fantastic!
Every time there is a brilliant episode no matter what the show, it always ends to quickly for me...but that's showbiz...I know they have time constraints but...OMG...Requiem has got to rate the highest for the season.
Amanda and Robin both deserve top honours for their performances in this ep.
I don't think I can praise the whole team at Sanctuary, high enough.
It was brilliant...just bloody brilliant!

You're spot on about that one ;), this wasn't just another ep, this was one of the VERY BEST ;). and they both derserve an award for this. But we all know Amanda, her reward is that her fans are happy :).

Also, like you Chelle, I can't give this episode enough credit, take a look at these caps, and tell me this isn't some of the best acting Amanda's done:

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0124.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0130.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0158.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0182.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0183.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0199.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0225.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/Jumper_One1/s1/109%20Requiem/Requiem0241.jpg

That woman gave me chills :P.


On the award thing...if Amanda doesn't get one for her performance in Requiem...then I'll be mighty peeved! There would have to be something seriously wrong with the way the awards are handed out if she misses out here...and I don't say that coz I love the woman...oh no...she was just incredible in the ep. The best!! I want to see more of this!! Please please please...I want more emotional Helen...in what capacity is no worries...I'll take anything but give me more Helen emotion!! Angry Helen, tough Helen, mad Helen, crazy Helen, happy Helen, sad Helen, tired Helen, frustrated Helen, hurt Helen...you get the picture!

She should win an award each of those things :samanime20:. Can someone please nominate her!?


LOL, hope your head is ok. :)

Yeah it's fine, Amanda made it better :samanime51:.


And, yes, I loved this episode, the acting blew me away.

When we were talking yesterday about all the awards AT and Robin should get for their work in this episode, someone much smarter than me told me scifi is not included in the Emmy categories. How weird is that. I had no idea, but this is Emmy worthy, or some super fantastic award worthy. Then again, doing such a great job is it's own reward, you know when you hit something out of the park.

:indeed:

Rocky89
December 8th, 2008, 09:01 PM
Everyone has already said so many wonderful comments. I'll just add, like others, that I thought Amanda and Robin Dunne were excellent in this episode. I loved it. I specifically loved seeing Amanda in this role of someone going over the edge. This episode flew by because the acting was so superb. Sanctuary continues to improve with each episode -- more and more character depth intermixed with better and better storytelling. I am now officially hooked because of all the characters -- I like them all (felt that way about the early SG-1 days of the team and also Babylon 5). I initially watched Sanctuary because of Amanda, but I'll admit that if I just didn't like the show I wouldn't watch even though she is in it. Well, I'm fortunate because I really like the stories and characters so far and want to know more. And although TV has changed in that women are now more likely to be in lead roles than before, Amanda's Helen is somewhat unique in that it is still uncommon to see women in their 40s be a lead of a scifi show. And Helen, like Sam, is another great character to portray. Go Amanda and the Sanctuary team!


It seems like there is a lot of positive response about this episode, but I've read a few comments elsewhere that complain about Will being a "wimp". I don't see him as a "wimp" at all. He is able to make tough decisions and he is smart. He knows Magnus is extremely powerful, and he handled this almost impossible situation very well. I wonder if Daniel was thought by some to be a "wimp" in the early seasons of SG-1. I didn't see him as a "wimp" either. I guess I like these type of characters, along with a Henry-type as well, whatever that is!


Very well put ;). I know how at first some people had mixed feelings about the show, but it I love how a lot of them are coming around and getting into the show :), I've also read a lot of positive comments on this episode here on GW and on other boards, and most of them say this episode was the one that's getting, or may be getting them watching :)

An article/review said the show's getting better and better every week, and after seeing Requiem, it just took a huge leap forward :). And ditto on what you said about Amanda and her being unique to the Sci-fi world ;). Sam Carter and Helen Magnus have and are changing the world of Sci-fi and how woman are portrayed as strong and brave lead roles. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/SGASam_applause-1.gif http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif


Another solid episode from Sanctuary. Very good character moments and some really good acting from Amanda Tapping. The ending was a little predictable. When I saw Will standing next to the Liquid Nitrogen earlier in the ep, I had a feeling they would be using that to save the day or defeat the threat. Overall a great episode. Seems like SGA is not the only one splitting up the team. There was no Ashley in this ep, and only a quick appearance by Henry. I think this show is entertaining because it has a lot of cast and crew from Stargate. It is my cup of Tea afterall.

Very true :samanime20:, but the more Amanda/Helen screen time the better IMO ;).


YES!

that's on everything. :p

i love this show, but it's megga strength is helen/amanda. and i want all those things too!!

:sam59:

You always know what to say Sally :). IHO, Amanda/Helen's the heart, the soul, the spirit, the brain, the beauty and everything on the show ;). It's Amanda that keeps Sanctuary going and it's Helen that keeps *the* Sanctuary going :samanime20:.


This was a brilliant, brilliant episode! I watched it just before bed at 1am and I was worried I might have nightmares! Amanda deserves every acting award I can think of. She was a very convincing crazy. I love, love, LOVED it! More, more, more!

I couldn't agree more ;). Best episode yet :sam59:.


Amanda has impressed me from day one on SG-1!

Since I wasn't around for day one of SG-1 I can't say the same, but she bacome the best actor to me on SG-1 and Atlantis soon enough :). But I was around for day one for Sanctuary, and she's been #1 since :).


I can't even comment on my favorite parts b/c the *whole episode* was so solid. Dark Magnus was great. AT did a *wonderful* job. It never felt like "here's an actor playing going crazy"--I was totally involved in the character.
I've commented in the past on Will not being my favorite, but he was really good here.

Helen Magnus, funny Magnus, cute Magnus, hot Magnus, dark Magnus, I like them all ;).

Mousie
December 9th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Without reading through everything said already (I'll do that later) I LOVED the episode, it's the best yet and if that's the quality of what we are getting now I'll be extaticly happy.

It was a brilliant episode, Amanda's acting was fantastic, Helen all angry and loosing it was some of the finest acting I've seen from Amanda.

atlantis_babe34
December 9th, 2008, 02:07 AM
The thing i found funny in a serious scene was when she put her hand on his face when Will was tied to the chair.... don't know why just hilarious to me heheh

Mousie
December 9th, 2008, 03:44 AM
Edit: it's working now.

I love that pic, it's the best cap of Amanda, I love the expresion on her face. She's being bad and loves it.

PengYn
December 9th, 2008, 04:17 AM
The thing i found funny in a serious scene was when she put her hand on his face when Will was tied to the chair.... don't know why just hilarious to me heheh

lol. I know what you mean. My first though was - ooh I wonder how that will look in an icon.

On another shallow amoozement note, I loved when she pulls the trigger on the gun and it doesn't go off and she says "Oh well."

But yes, I am pretty much in agreement with most folks here in thinking that this was a fantastic episode.

Mousie
December 9th, 2008, 04:18 AM
The thing i found funny in a serious scene was when she put her hand on his face when Will was tied to the chair.... don't know why just hilarious to me heheh

Yeah that was odd but good, she slapped the side of his face first and then put her hand over his face.

I don't think anyone's mentioned it yet but this would have been the perfect episode to have Ashley in to help them resolve and solidify their relationship. It would have been perfect to see her reacting to her Mum dying. It would have put her lingering anger in perspective and might have led to a touching scene between them. Ashley may not have faced Helen's mortality before.

I'm glad the episode went down as it did, I don't think there was room for much more without making it a 2 parter and I wouldn't have wanted to loose anything that was in it in order to incorperate Ashley, but I just thought it would have been a good addition.

Skydiver
December 9th, 2008, 08:08 AM
i think it NEEDED to be will. I think this was his 'rite of passage', when he officially stopped being a spectator and was an active paricipant in events. He didn't just follow along, he took part and made the tough decisions. he proved, by his actions in killing helen, that he has 'what it takes' to run the sanctuary if he had to.

having ashley there would have diluted it because she would have taken command and will would again be just an observer

jckfan55
December 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM
i think it NEEDED to be will. I think this was his 'rite of passage', when he officially stopped being a spectator and was an active paricipant in events. He didn't just follow along, he took part and made the tough decisions. he proved, by his actions in killing helen, that he has 'what it takes' to run the sanctuary if he had to.

True. he really did have to step up & deal with things decisively, as Helen said.



having ashley there would have diluted it because she would have taken command and will would again be just an observer


Good point. I also think it allowed the audience to see Helen's thinking re: Ashley in a way she probably wouldn't reveal to Ashley herself. I would hope, though, that we do get some more scenes where they continue to deal with the Druitt fall out. What we've seen so far in bits and pieces probably tells us something about the way they deal with emotional issues, though.

I wonder what Ashley will think when she finds out what happened to mom. She makes wise cracks about Magnus always being in danger, but I think this might just freak her out a bit.

hisg1fans
December 9th, 2008, 03:06 PM
What do you think the significance of the title is or how it relates to the episode?

atlantis_babe34
December 9th, 2008, 09:02 PM
lol. I know what you mean. My first though was - ooh I wonder how that will look in an icon.

On another shallow amoozement note, I loved when she pulls the trigger on the gun and it doesn't go off and she says "Oh well."

But yes, I am pretty much in agreement with most folks here in thinking that this was a fantastic episode.

LOL i though it was hilarious. I'm pretty sure there was no meaning for it but it was still funny


Yeah that was odd but good, she slapped the side of his face first and then put her hand over his face.
I don't think anyone's mentioned it yet but this would have been the perfect episode to have Ashley in to help them resolve and solidify their relationship. It would have been perfect to see her reacting to her Mum dying. It would have put her lingering anger in perspective and might have led to a touching scene between them. Ashley may not have faced Helen's mortality before.

I'm glad the episode went down as it did, I don't think there was room for much more without making it a 2 parter and I wouldn't have wanted to loose anything that was in it in order to incorperate Ashley, but I just thought it would have been a good addition.

"Good Boy!" lol

EvenstarSRV
December 9th, 2008, 10:01 PM
What do you think the significance of the title is or how it relates to the episode?

Well, according to Webster 'requiem' means a Catholic mass for the dead, often associated with solemn chanting and music.

I would guess that the title is meant to refer to Helen's slow death after being infected by the parasite, especially since they show her death in the beginning and then went back to show how/why she died.

Which makes me wonder why that one reviewer mentions that 'requiem' has a connotation for something with more intensity or adventure, since those aren't quite the words I'd use to describe a funeral dirge.

Although, I thought the scenes between Helen and Will and Helen's death were quite intense, and as Peter Pan would say, 'to die would be an awfully big adventure.' :cool:

Mousie
December 10th, 2008, 01:27 AM
I wonder what Ashley will think when she finds out what happened to mom. She makes wise cracks about Magnus always being in danger, but I think this might just freak her out a bit.

That's what I was thinking as well. It would make a wonderful fic!

Skydiver
December 10th, 2008, 05:37 AM
well, it was also, possibly, a 'death knell' for the merfolk race. helen herself says something liek the death of 100 in a population this small is catastrophic

the parasite - potentially - doomed a race to extinction. and could be - although i doubt they thought it out this deeply - a comment on real world things like outbreaks and super bugs, that can destroy an isolated population in just a few days.

I don't believe they ever touched on where did the parasite come from? was this new territory for the merfolk to colonize? how did they come to get infected? or did someone deliberately infect them?

you would think, for a race like the merfolk, if the parasite was some sort of naturally occuring bug they'd have some sort of immunity. Just like humans tend to. we really only get in trouble with bugs that cross species or have been engineered into greater lethality

hisg1fans
December 10th, 2008, 06:48 AM
What do you all think about the title being a reference to Will's 'innocence' (for lack of a better word)? He kind of made a big step in this episode by killing Magnus.

I also wondered if the title might refer to Helen putting some old fears to rest. Like being able to finally find 'the best protege in decades'. Or the fear that she will never die. Although, we don't know she hasn't came that close before. We've only seen this one incident.

Very, very layered episode. Still has me thinking. :)

Mousie
December 10th, 2008, 08:21 AM
As was stated earlier if you look at the definition of Requiem in the dictionary it is quite specific:

1: a mass for the dead
2 a: a solemn chant (as a dirge) for the repose of the dead b: something that resembles such a solemn chant
3 a: a musical setting of the mass for the dead b: a musical composition in honor of the dead

So I really think it has to be in relation to the dead merpeople, or at a stretch Helen's lament over the people she has outlived and buried.

EvenstarSRV
December 10th, 2008, 01:36 PM
I don't believe they ever touched on where did the parasite come from? was this new territory for the merfolk to colonize? how did they come to get infected? or did someone deliberately infect them?

you would think, for a race like the merfolk, if the parasite was some sort of naturally occuring bug they'd have some sort of immunity. Just like humans tend to. we really only get in trouble with bugs that cross species or have been engineered into greater lethality

I don't think they figured out where the parasite came from in the episode, though what you said about someone deliberately infecting them plus the ending of Edward makes me wonder if the Cabal weren't somehow involved in killing off the merfolk.

Revelations spoilers:

The spoilers for Revelations say the Cabal is behind the release of a biological agent that incites aberrant behavior and violence in abnormals. So maybe the Cabal released the parasite against the merfolk as a sort of trial to see its effectiveness, and then uses some aspect of the parasite to engineer the virus used in Revelations.

LizzieAnne
December 10th, 2008, 03:07 PM
Just watched Requiem and I'm really impressed. Great episode. Helen and Will's relationship is interesting. More than Teacher and student but not romantic. This was the first episode I looked at Will with interest. I think it was the stubble! :P

Traveler Enroute1
December 10th, 2008, 05:55 PM
An exceptional episode. As mentioned, this was a glowing showcase for the two talented actors. So elemental: the two isolated not just in the context of the show's sub, but within the physical confines of the RL set. Amanda and Robin brought serious tension to life in the scenes. I felt how there was nowhere to go with all that malice, fear and doom; it all literally bounced back and forth between them until the resolution. A fascinating interplay.

Nice little peek at Helen's repressed memories; she's seen and done so much, and poor innocent Will can never fathom a fraction of it all (IIRC). The hint of lots of pain and missteps rode on the brief words Helen's altered persona hissed at Will. Chilling, that. And how affecting (and cathartic!) was Helen's return when she stroked Will's hair to comfort him. I was relieved, too!

Just sayin', a highlight of the first season. I agree the show just keeps getting better. I'm dreading the hiatus; I'll wear my tapes out re-watching until the new season begins! Kudos past, present and future SANCTUARY!

Briangate78
December 10th, 2008, 06:24 PM
Since I wasn't aroun for day one of SG-1 I can't say the same, but she bacome the best actor to me on SG-1 and Atlantis soon enough :). But I was around for day one for Sanctuary, and she's been #1 since :).



Helen Magnus, funny Magnus, cute Magnus, hot Magnus, dark Magnus, I like them all ;).

Wow, I was 18yo when Stargate SG-1 debuted on Showtime, that was the first time I also watched the show.

Falcon 304
December 11th, 2008, 06:32 AM
As was stated earlier if you look at the definition of Requiem in the dictionary it is quite specific:

1: a mass for the dead
2 a: a solemn chant (as a dirge) for the repose of the dead b: something that resembles such a solemn chant
3 a: a musical setting of the mass for the dead b: a musical composition in honor of the dead

So I really think it has to be in relation to the dead merpeople, or at a stretch Helen's lament over the people she has outlived and buried.

Ah, so it wasn't a coincidence that the music for that scene was flipping amazing.

Mousie
December 11th, 2008, 07:21 AM
It was, was it not! Just like the rest of the episode :thoranime09:

rderoch
December 11th, 2008, 08:13 PM
This seems to be a standard way for me to start a post, but... WOW!!!!!

I was really looking forward to this episode for a long time, but it went beyond anything I expected. Everything was just perfect. The writing, the directing, the music...but Amanda's performance simply blew me away. Again WOW!!! Helen slowly loosing her mind, trying to hold on and figure out what's wrong, (when the pain started the second time and she had tears in her eyes I just wanted to hug her. :o), her interactions with Will, the feelings about Ashley and what her longevity means to her...not to mention every single crazy moment she had. It was all brilliant.

Also Helen seemed very strong physically, not just that she slapped Will around a few times (:p), but when he tried to close the hatch, he had his weight on top of it, and yet Helen pushed it away with one hand, without much trouble.

Watching this episode makes me want to see Amanda play a bad guy...girl in a movie.

All in all, congrats on the Sanctuary team for another amazing episode. :)

Also I made around 500 caps, free to use them for what ever you want. 09 Requiem.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/74731490/9ba291e7/09_Requiem.html)

p.s. I just wanted to add another WOW!!! :p

Thanks for the caps!


The grins...

Liar! You bloody liar!

This was too good. I'm at a loss for words.

Like a drug...I'll bet Magnus knows from experience.

I just have to see more evil AT. It's like sunshine.

Hmm. She did live through the 60's. I wonder if Helen "experimented"? And yes, more evil AT! She did a fantastic job.


After Helen tries to shoot Will and we see that the chamber is empty, Helen walks away but the camera shows the chamber in Will's hand.
I presumed he'd taken it out of the gun before he confronted Helen.

I don't think he ever chambered it.


What is there to say..................AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME.....AMANDA..........AWESOME AWESOME.....

Amanda needs to win an award for this...something...excellent performace.......

AWESOME......

Gemini, Emmy, Golden Globe.......


the sanctuary ptb need to reimburse me for all the gas i wasted driving my mom and i to lunch. why? because i got lost 2 times on our way because i was so busy talking about 'requiem'! :p

wait, make that 2 and a half times, because even when i found the place, i almost drove by it because, yes, i was talking about 'requiem' again!

:D


how about an 'emmy' award (american version of tv awards)? oh, wait, it's a totally canadian product... so what, she still deserves it! and it's on an american tv station, so there!

and the emmy goes to, amanda tapping, for best performance by a lead female for 'requiem'.

:D

It's shown on SciFi, so I believe it is eligible.


why did helen feel relief from the pain if the sub went to a lower depth? is it because the parasite did?


i also liked that this wasn't an entity taking her over and altering her personality/mind into it's own, but that the parasite stimulated the parts of our brains that regulate our emotions and such.

hmm, this was kind of like helen with pms, only a crack version of it. :p

Crack PMS. LOL.


On the award thing...if Amanda doesn't get one for her performance in Requiem...then I'll be mighty peeved! There would have to be something seriously wrong with the way the awards are handed out if she misses out here...and I don't say that coz I love the woman...oh no...she was just incredible in the ep. The best!! I want to see more of this!! Please please please...I want more emotional Helen...in what capacity is no worries...I'll take anything but give me more Helen emotion!! Angry Helen, tough Helen, mad Helen, crazy Helen, happy Helen, sad Helen, tired Helen, frustrated Helen, hurt Helen...you get the picture! :D

Give us more Helen!



How do you top a performance like that? They pulled out all the stops - I was exhausted for them just watching it.

I wondered about the parasite that attacked Helen. On the microscopic views, it looked multicellular or with a bunch of organelles, but then when it came out of her, it was huge (relative to a cell)... maybe the cellular stage was the baby stage, and then as it grew, it became the slimy mini cobra?

Me too. I've watched it 3 times so far, and it blows my mind each time.

Maybe that is just the medium that the parasite lives in outside of a host.


I loved this episode...it was really good, some excellent acting, tight shooting and just cool stuff.

The banter with Henry was awesome.

The parallel between the descent of the sub and the descent into madness struck me as niftily done.

I like that things are still iffy between Helen and Ashley and that nothing in all her 157 years has fully equipped her to deal with that.

Also liked the flip around between Will and Helen. Will got the rug pulled out from under him so to speak when he had to be the one to find way out and Helen was worse than incapacitated, but he came through...go Will.

Again I'm in love with the details, the details on the set, in shooting angles and in shots, like Helen's pupils dilating and stuff.

I'll stop rambling now lol.

Agree 100%. I'm still trying to figure out how they got her pupils to dilate and shrink. There was no noticeable light change. And if AT managed to do it as part of her acting, I'm even MORE impressed.



It seems like there is a lot of positive response about this episode, but I've read a few comments elsewhere that complain about Will being a "wimp". I don't see him as a "wimp" at all. He is able to make tough decisions and he is smart. He knows Magnus is extremely powerful, and he handled this almost impossible situation very well. I wonder if Daniel was thought by some to be a "wimp" in the early seasons of SG-1. I didn't see him as a "wimp" either. I guess I like these type of characters, along with a Henry-type as well, whatever that is!

I've never figured out why a man who is sensitive and caring is considered a wimp. I admire men more when they can honestly express their feelings and don't worry about whether they look "macho".


I noticed many years ago that actors/shows in the "scifi" category never (or rarely) get nominated for an Emmy. And I think that's a shame since I thought the Emmy awards were about performances and not about category. There are plenty of people in scifi series that have given Emmy-worthy performances, but never got nominated.:(

And you're right about the job being it's own reward. They aren't doing it for awards, they're doing it because they love what they are doing.:)

Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny both got Emmys for X-Files. It was filmed in Vancouver, but broadcast on an American network.

So let's not give up hope! Amanda should be recognized for this.


I can't even comment on my favorite parts b/c the *whole episode* was so solid. Dark Magnus was great. AT did a *wonderful* job. It never felt like "here's an actor playing going crazy"--I was totally involved in the character.
I've commented in the past on Will not being my favorite, but he was really good here.

Same here. I was totally enthralled from start to finish.


The thing i found funny in a serious scene was when she put her hand on his face when Will was tied to the chair.... don't know why just hilarious to me heheh

I'm betting that was an "in the moment" thing from Amanda. Loved it. It was just so out of character for Helen.


i think it NEEDED to be will. I think this was his 'rite of passage', when he officially stopped being a spectator and was an active paricipant in events. He didn't just follow along, he took part and made the tough decisions. he proved, by his actions in killing helen, that he has 'what it takes' to run the sanctuary if he had to.

having ashley there would have diluted it because she would have taken command and will would again be just an observer

I agree. It would've become an Ashley/Helen episode and I think this was the perfect platform for developing Will as a character.

Hopefully, soon, we will get to see an episode to develop Ashley more. I'd also love to see one with more interaction between Helen and Biggie. We've gotten more insight into his relationship with Henry. I want to see more of the dynamic between him and the other characters. Biggie is a wonderful character. I just wish they would give him a name.


True. he really did have to step up & deal with things decisively, as Helen said.

Good point. I also think it allowed the audience to see Helen's thinking re: Ashley in a way she probably wouldn't reveal to Ashley herself. I would hope, though, that we do get some more scenes where they continue to deal with the Druitt fall out. What we've seen so far in bits and pieces probably tells us something about the way they deal with emotional issues, though.

I wonder what Ashley will think when she finds out what happened to mom. She makes wise cracks about Magnus always being in danger, but I think this might just freak her out a bit.

Very true. I'm hoping that they deal with the reactions of everybody back at the Sanctuary. Despite the "wall" that Helen has built, there is obvious love and respect for her from Henry, Ashley and Biggie.



Very, very layered episode. Still has me thinking. :)

My head hurts already! And I want to watch it again. :D


I don't think they figured out where the parasite came from in the episode, though what you said about someone deliberately infecting them plus the ending of Edward makes me wonder if the Cabal weren't somehow involved in killing off the merfolk.

Revelations spoilers:

The spoilers for Revelations say the Cabal is behind the release of a biological agent that incites aberrant behavior and violence in abnormals. So maybe the Cabal released the parasite against the merfolk as a sort of trial to see its effectiveness, and then uses some aspect of the parasite to engineer the virus used in Revelations.

Oooooo. Intriguing.

Does this mean that Helen could be infected again? It's not possible to build an immunity to a parasite. She would still be vulnerable. More crazy Helen. :) (As long as she doesn't have to die again)

prsweety
December 12th, 2008, 09:03 AM
i so agree....AT deserves a EMMY......i wish there was a way her fans can get the word out. Get the word out to the EMMY Committee...there has to be a way.....Amazing performance......:sam:

Homer 120
December 12th, 2008, 10:32 AM
This has got to be one of Amanda's BEST episodes of both Sanctuary and SG1!

EvenstarSRV
December 12th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Agree 100%. I'm still trying to figure out how they got her pupils to dilate and shrink. There was no noticeable light change. And if AT managed to do it as part of her acting, I'm even MORE impressed.

I thought they used special effects for the pupil dilation, since like you said there was no noticeable light change. Though AT being able to dilate her pupils on command would be crazy impressive!



Oooooo. Intriguing.

Does this mean that Helen could be infected again? It's not possible to build an immunity to a parasite. She would still be vulnerable. More crazy Helen. :) (As long as she doesn't have to die again)

Well, I think according to the spoilers for Revelations

Helen figures out that the Five are immune to the Cabal's virus, so she teams up with Druitt and Watson to find the Source blood, which seems to have an antigen that gives them the immunity.

So maybe it's not the parasite the Cabal are using, but some virulent part of the parasite? Or I'm just reaching for a connection, I really shouldn't try thinking about this stuff on 3ish hours of sleep. :o :P

EH-T
December 12th, 2008, 03:42 PM
I was initially very disappointed, not with the show but the fact that the sound was not working properly on our local station. Had to wait until the second repeat broadcast to see and hear the episode. It was worth the wait.

As with everyone else, I thought Amanda and Robin were wonderful. Fun to see Amanda play a bit of evil (as it was with Replicarter). That an episode that was 44 minutes of two people in a sub seemed to fly by is a testament to the acting, writing and directing.

Loved the historical references and I hope season 2 will show us some of that as opposed to just talking about it.

Loved to hear there are on-going problems with Ashley and I hope we get to see a bit more of that as well.

Bravo to all. :jack_new_anime07:

Skydiver
December 12th, 2008, 06:44 PM
one way that her eyes coudl have dilated...she doesn't have to have light shined into her eyes, just look into it.

she looks into it, her eyes pinpoint, they reverse the footage, suddenly her eyes are dilating

majorsal
December 12th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Loved the historical references and I hope season 2 will show us some of that as opposed to just talking about it.

Loved to hear there are on-going problems with Ashley and I hope we get to see a bit more of that as well.

Bravo to all. :jack_new_anime07:

yes on everything! :D

i'm using this episode to help relieve the crush of the last episode/season ending. i only watched it once for that reason. :o :D

GateFanSamJack
December 13th, 2008, 01:00 PM
one way that her eyes coudl have dilated...she doesn't have to have light shined into her eyes, just look into it.

she looks into it, her eyes pinpoint, they reverse the footage, suddenly her eyes are dilating

I was thinking it was reversed footage, too, but all she'd have to do is have her eyes shut and then open them.

Skydiver
December 13th, 2008, 01:01 PM
yeah, it's probably reversed footage. incredibly easy to do

tagger
December 13th, 2008, 01:18 PM
i think it NEEDED to be will. I think this was his 'rite of passage', when he officially stopped being a spectator and was an active paricipant in events. He didn't just follow along, he took part and made the tough decisions. he proved, by his actions in killing helen, that he has 'what it takes' to run the sanctuary if he had to.

having ashley there would have diluted it because she would have taken command and will would again be just an observer

I thought it took guts for Will to shut off Magnus' air supply, and to look Magnus in the eye while doing it. It was hard for him, but he had the courage to not hide behind the door the entire time he did it.

I love puzzles and I am still chewing on this one: I still haven't figured out the gas mixtures they keep showing us as Helen dies... the O2 level stays stable at 16% and the CO2 level rises to 7% or so? Elevated CO2 would eventually reduce the oxygen level in the blood (not like carbon monoxide, which is faster, since it replaces oxygen), but I think you die from acid/base changes? I can't remember, and I may be talking completely out of my behind. I gotta look this up more. They did mention the submarine was kept at about 1 atmosphere of pressure, right? Like sea level?

What do you think the significance of the title is or how it relates to the episode?

I was thinking the merfolk massacre?


Well, according to Webster 'requiem' means a Catholic mass for the dead, often associated with solemn chanting and music.

I would guess that the title is meant to refer to Helen's slow death after being infected by the parasite, especially since they show her death in the beginning and then went back to show how/why she died.

Although, I thought the scenes between Helen and Will and Helen's death were quite intense, and as Peter Pan would say, 'to die would be an awfully big adventure.' :cool:

These are great ideas, too!

I liked that Helen fought death (or was it the parasite?) tooth and nail. For all her talk of I have lived a long life, this is not my idea of a great life, be ready to take over the Sanctuary, etc... she still had a fighting spirit, still apparently had a very strong drive to live.

tagger
December 13th, 2008, 01:34 PM
On the pupil dilation, I think if you focus on something nearby, your pupils constrict, if you focus on a distant item, they dilate? I assumed that was how it was done, but I have no idea how actors or vis effects do it.

Either way, it is fantastic they gave that much attention to the details of death.

It was creepy no matter how it was done, since the level of reality for the death scene went up 400 notches.

Scary!

rderoch
December 13th, 2008, 04:30 PM
On the pupil dilation, I think if you focus on something nearby, your pupils constrict, if you focus on a distant item, they dilate? I assumed that was how it was done, but I have no idea how actors or vis effects do it.

Either way, it is fantastic they gave that much attention to the details of death.

It was creepy no matter how it was done, since the level of reality for the death scene went up 400 notches.

Scary!

Hers eyes and final exhalation gave the scene an incredible impact.

jckfan55
December 14th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Hers eyes and final exhalation gave the scene an incredible impact.

:indeed: And then as Will is trying to revive her. Serious stuff.

I also thought RD played the desperation of trying to revive Helen very well. And then when he sort of collapses (on her shoulder?) when he gets her back and she sort of puts her hand on his head to comfort/thank him. I also liked that she didn't sort of spring up all recovered immediately like they do on some shows.

jz9
December 14th, 2008, 06:51 PM
:indeed: And then as Will is trying to revive her. Serious stuff.

I also thought RD played the desperation of trying to revive Helen very well. And then when he sort of collapses (on her shoulder?) when he gets her back and she sort of puts her hand on his head to comfort/thank him. I also liked that she didn't sort of spring up all recovered immediately like they do on some shows.


My favorite episode. This was my favorite scene.

wizelf
December 15th, 2008, 02:48 AM
A great episode with great acting!

Chelle DB
December 15th, 2008, 03:43 AM
I wonder what Ashley will think when she finds out what happened to mom. She makes wise cracks about Magnus always being in danger, but I think this might just freak her out a bit.
I would love to see an ep that deals with how Ashley would deal if something did happen to Helen...we've already seen Helen react when Ashley was taken by John...I'd like to see the show on the other foot!

What do you think the significance of the title is or how it relates to the episode?
Requiem: Mass for the dead
I'd say it had to relate to the dead merfolk and Helen's death.

On the pupil dilation, I think if you focus on something nearby, your pupils constrict, if you focus on a distant item, they dilate? I assumed that was how it was done, but I have no idea how actors or vis effects do it.
I always thought it was a vis effect...but...if it was it was well done...if it wasn't then...wow!!

Hers eyes and final exhalation gave the scene an incredible impact.
OMG....that was just brilliant! One of the best scenes I've seen in a long long time!

Mousie
December 15th, 2008, 03:55 AM
I've deleted it from my hard drive now to free up room for xmas recordings so I can't wait till it comes out on DVD soon and I can watch it again!

Tittamiire
December 15th, 2008, 03:57 AM
one way that her eyes coudl have dilated...she doesn't have to have light shined into her eyes, just look into it.

she looks into it, her eyes pinpoint, they reverse the footage, suddenly her eyes are dilating

Ahah...that makes sense...I was pondering how they did it. I do enjoy watching a show that makes me think about how they've done stuff. Too many show do the same old same old.


:indeed: And then as Will is trying to revive her. Serious stuff.

I also thought RD played the desperation of trying to revive Helen very well. And then when he sort of collapses (on her shoulder?) when he gets her back and she sort of puts her hand on his head to comfort/thank him. I also liked that she didn't sort of spring up all recovered immediately like they do on some shows.

I also appreciated that. It was a small gesture, but entirely fitting with the scene and I am very glad she didn't suddenly jump up, "woo I'm alive again."

rderoch
December 16th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Ahah...that makes sense...I was pondering how they did it. I do enjoy watching a show that makes me think about how they've done stuff. Too many show do the same old same old.



I also appreciated that. It was a small gesture, but entirely fitting with the scene and I am very glad she didn't suddenly jump up, "woo I'm alive again."

Yes, her movement was slow and a little sluggish. Not a single detail was missed. It would take her a little while to really get her strength back.

Mousie
December 17th, 2008, 01:30 AM
I honestly didn't think I'd see a character I'd like more than Carter (or Amanda playing a better character) but based on Requiem Helen is becoming a fast favorite.

Amaunet
December 17th, 2008, 03:33 AM
I loved this episode, very entertaining...it kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time. I think I'll have to go back and watch it again! :D

jckfan55
December 17th, 2008, 08:12 AM
Definitely one I'll be rewatching to get me through the withdrawal between the end of S1 & start of S2.

Matt G
December 18th, 2008, 02:54 PM
1. Wet and loony Helen = Mmmm hmmm! :)

2. Have to admit I thought it was Will that was posessed originally.

3. Dead mermaids = ugly.

4. As people have said before in various ways, one hell of a performance from Amanda.

5. It's wierd, Helen and Will's relationship reminds me slightly of my relationship with a woman elsewhere online. Let's hope we're never stuck on a sub in the middle of the Bermuda triangle!

Very nice stuff! :)

ori soldier
December 22nd, 2008, 05:03 PM
I am very glad she didn't suddenly jump up, "woo I'm alive again."

ahem stargate ahem

majorsal
March 7th, 2009, 10:59 PM
i just finished watching 'requiem' again. i saved it for when i 'really' needed a good boost of happy. :p

i was once again blown away by amanda's performance!! :samanime51: robin was good and i'm glad it was zimmerman in this with her instead of one of the others.

i picked up on another thing that i hadn't the first time...

i saw when helen decided to go bad (totally mentally unstable). it was when her and will were talking about will having to do the hard thing -killing her- and will saying he couldn't. helen says something like she doesn't want to go by a parasite destroying her brain. then yada yada, and will says then how (does she want to go). helen gets this look on her face and says to him to be creative and such. *that* was the moment i think when helen made the decision to go the route she did (lowering the sub to implode level).

i was *so* impressed with the entire artistry of this ep. but especially amanda. she was absolutely brilliant. she deserves an award for this performance. (though rocky's already given her an academy award :p)

well done, amanda!! ;) :D

jckfan55
March 8th, 2009, 12:52 PM
i just finished watching 'requiem' again. i saved it for when i 'really' needed a good boost of happy. :p

i was once again blown away by amanda's performance!! :samanime51: robin was good and i'm glad it was zimmerman in this with her instead of one of the others.

i picked up on another thing that i hadn't the first time...

i saw when helen decided to go bad (totally mentally unstable). it was when her and will were talking about will having to do the hard thing -killing her- and will saying he couldn't. helen says something like she doesn't want to go by a parasite destroying her brain. then yada yada, and will says then how (does she want to go). helen gets this look on her face and says to him to be creative and such. *that* was the moment i think when helen made the decision to go the route she did (lowering the sub to implode level).
i was *so* impressed with the entire artistry of this ep. but especially amanda. she was absolutely brilliant. she deserves an award for this performance. (though rocky's already given her an academy award :p)

well done, amanda!! ;) :D

I thought it was a great scene, but never got that...

Now you're making me go back to watch the ep again. What a sacrifice. ;) I agree that AT was wonderful and RD did a great job too.

majorsal
March 8th, 2009, 03:14 PM
another thing about the ep and amanda's performance...

sometimes it's little things that amanda does, like a forlorn look that can speak volumes without dialog. well, in this one scene...

it's when will brought up about ashley and helen's relationship, and how helen got defensive and walked off and will called her on it. (i think i'm remembering the correct scene for this moment) anyhoo, helen goes to sit down at the computer and her back's to the camera and will. will then says that this job is more than a job to him and helen asks why. it's this scene, with her back to will...

helen turns her face slightly towards him, but we can't really see her face. it was amanda's demeanor of playing helen... i just got this flood of loneliness from helen. i really mean it, just thinking back to the scene. i actually played it over to see it, to feel it. all this facade of being strong and i-can-handle-it... it that one moment, you could see the years of lonliness reflected as she sat there with her back to will.

i don't know why this simple scene got to me so much, but amanda's done this to me before in her little moments of quiet wow. it's like being yelled at by a whisper.

i'm so danged proud of her!! :samanime51:

Rocky89
March 8th, 2009, 07:40 PM
i just finished watching 'requiem' again. i saved it for when i 'really' needed a good boost of happy. :p

i was once again blown away by amanda's performance!! :samanime51: robin was good and i'm glad it was zimmerman in this with her instead of one of the others.

Good for you Sally :). I'm glad you feel that the episode can give you a "boast of happy" :). And of course, you owe it to Amanda's performance.http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_happy.gif



i picked up on another thing that i hadn't the first time...

i saw when helen decided to go bad (totally mentally unstable). it was when her and will were talking about will having to do the hard thing -killing her- and will saying he couldn't. helen says something like she doesn't want to go by a parasite destroying her brain. then yada yada, and will says then how (does she want to go). helen gets this look on her face and says to him to be creative and such. *that* was the moment i think when helen made the decision to go the route she did (lowering the sub to implode level).

i was *so* impressed with the entire artistry of this ep. but especially amanda. she was absolutely brilliant. she deserves an award for this performance. (though rocky's already given her an academy award :p)

well done, amanda!! ;) :D

Oh wow, I didn't notice that the first time, which is odd because I was watching her INTENTLY! :P I'll have to watch it again :). And yeah, like you, I was *super* impressed with Amanda, she had my eyes like :eek: and I couldn't believe some of the things she was doing ;). I agree, Amanda needs an award from the movie, and not the academy award I "gave" her :P. You must mean my HUGE review on the episode :).


another thing about the ep and amanda's performance...

sometimes it's little things that amanda does, like a forlorn look that can speak volumes without dialog. well, in this one scene...

it's when will brought up about ashley and helen's relationship, and how helen got defensive and walked off and will called her on it. (i think i'm remembering the correct scene for this moment) anyhoo, helen goes to sit down at the computer and her back's to the camera and will. will then says that this job is more than a job to him and helen asks why. it's this scene, with her back to will...

helen turns her face slightly towards him, but we can't really see her face. it was amanda's demeanor of playing helen... i just got this flood of loneliness from helen. i really mean it, just thinking back to the scene. i actually played it over to see it, to feel it. all this facade of being strong and i-can-handle-it... it that one moment, you could see the years of lonliness reflected as she sat there with her back to will.

Wow, good eyes Sally :). Now I *really* have to go back and see the episode ;). I'm gonna look for that moment, and the other one you spoke of.


i don't know why this simple scene got to me so much, but amanda's done this to me before in her little moments of quiet wow. it's like being yelled at by a whisper.

i'm so danged proud of her!! :samanime51:

Me too hon, I'm so proud to be an Amanda fan, I'm so proud to know her (not personally :() and I'm so danged proud of Amanda! http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_happy.gif

EvenstarSRV
March 8th, 2009, 10:43 PM
i picked up on another thing that i hadn't the first time...

i saw when helen decided to go bad (totally mentally unstable). it was when her and will were talking about will having to do the hard thing -killing her- and will saying he couldn't. helen says something like she doesn't want to go by a parasite destroying her brain. then yada yada, and will says then how (does she want to go). helen gets this look on her face and says to him to be creative and such. *that* was the moment i think when helen made the decision to go the route she did (lowering the sub to implode level).


That's interesting, I always saw that moment as one of Helen's last moments of clarity before she really started to lose control. None of the medicines she'd tried were working, she's knows she's heading towards madness and wants to make sure Will knows what to do when she does inevitably lose it.

I saw the scene just after the one with Will, where Helen sees the drops of water first entering the sub, to be the moment she does truly lose control and decides to descend the sub rapidly instead of slowly like they'd agreed.



i don't know why this simple scene got to me so much, but amanda's done this to me before in her little moments of quiet wow. it's like being yelled at by a whisper.


I loved that scene as well, and I really liked your wording in the bolded part, it's those little 'wow' moments that I like most about AT's acting.

I'm a huge fan of understated acting, where just a word or subtle look from an actor can convey what may otherwise require several lines of dialog or more exaggerated acting. Like in this scene, where just a tense back and half-turned face can convey so much about what Helen's feeling.

majorsal
March 11th, 2009, 05:28 PM
That's interesting, I always saw that moment as one of Helen's last moments of clarity before she really started to lose control. None of the medicines she'd tried were working, she's knows she's heading towards madness and wants to make sure Will knows what to do when she does inevitably lose it.

I saw the scene just after the one with Will, where Helen sees the drops of water first entering the sub, to be the moment she does truly lose control and decides to descend the sub rapidly instead of slowly like they'd agreed.

okay, now you're making me rethink my revelation. :p

i thought helen seeing the water drops was her already putting the plan in motion (descending the sub) and was just watching the proof.

i don't know! :p

but i do know that helen didn't like will accepting about killing her, even though she suggested it. true madness! :p



I'm a huge fan of understated acting, where just a word or subtle look from an actor can convey what may otherwise require several lines of dialog or more exaggerated acting. Like in this scene, where just a tense back and half-turned face can convey so much about what Helen's feeling.

i'm a fan of subtle acting too, partly because it's not easy to convey so much doing so little. gillian anderson/scully and sela ward/teddy (from 'sisters') were excellent at subtle acting too.

jckfan55
March 12th, 2009, 09:15 AM
That's interesting, I always saw that moment as one of Helen's last moments of clarity before she really started to lose control. None of the medicines she'd tried were working, she's knows she's heading towards madness and wants to make sure Will knows what to do when she does inevitably lose it.

I saw the scene just after the one with Will, where Helen sees the drops of water first entering the sub, to be the moment she does truly lose control and decides to descend the sub rapidly instead of slowly like they'd agreed.





okay, now you're making me rethink my revelation. :p

i thought helen seeing the water drops was her already putting the plan in motion (descending the sub) and was just watching the proof.


I'm with Evenstar on this one, Sally. She has another of those "frozen" moments then where the parasite is exerting control.

I love the way Helen puts her request to Will. She tells him she's "counting on (him) to take care of things in a decisive manner" and then to "do the proper thing."

EvenstarSRV
March 12th, 2009, 02:23 PM
I love the way Helen puts her request to Will. She tells him she's "counting on (him) to take care of things in a decisive manner" and then to "do the proper thing."

I really liked the way she phrased her request as well. She expected Will to keep up with her and connect the dots, and to his credit he did.

Though I also wonder if the euphemisms weren't perhaps a way for her to avoid the subject for a bit longer as well. She was addressing the likelihood of her death because she needed to, but by still not directly talking about it, maybe Helen was also a bit in denial about things like Will was.

majorsal
March 13th, 2009, 09:26 PM
I'm with Evenstar on this one, Sally. She has another of those "frozen" moments then where the parasite is exerting control.



well then, i guess i'm just going to *have* to watch this ep again to see it. oh, the pain! :p


on another note, the 'saturn' award nominations already came out, and no nom for amanda in this ep... i can only hope that some other award thingie will... for amanda. :) :samanime51:

majorsal
March 13th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Though I also wonder if the euphemisms weren't perhaps a way for her to avoid the subject for a bit longer as well. She was addressing the likelihood of her death because she needed to, but by still not directly talking about it, maybe Helen was also a bit in denial about things like Will was.

i'm not really getting what you're getting at. i think i'm a bit slow tonight. :p

Rocky89
March 13th, 2009, 09:34 PM
well then, i guess i'm just going to *have* to watch this ep again to see it. oh, the pain! :p

It's on like all week on the Movie Network ;). Luckily I have it on tape, along with all the other Sanctuary episodes ;). All of which I will forever cherish :).


on another note, the 'saturn' award nominations already came out, and no nom for amanda in this ep... i can only hope that some other award thingie will... for amanda. :) :samanime51:

You know, you had me until "and no nom for amanda in this ep", up until that point I had a big smile on my face coming :(. It's OK :P, I'm just very happy that Amanda won Woman of Vision for the whole show :). And yeah, like Kamil said, she'd better get something for Requiem ;).

jckfan55
March 14th, 2009, 08:04 AM
Well, *we* know how great she was, regardless of awards. If she checks GW she will know the fans would give her one. :)

Evenstar--I see what you mean about the indirect way Helen put her request being a sort of denial--though I hadn't thought of it that way. I thought of it more as Helen not wanting to be crass by coming out and saying "you may need to kill me." Not sure. (we really need a "shrug" smilie.) :)

suse
March 14th, 2009, 08:28 AM
Well, *we* know how great she was, regardless of awards. If she checks GW she will know the fans would give her one. :)

Evenstar--I see what you mean about the indirect way Helen put her request being a sort of denial--though I hadn't thought of it that way. I thought of it more as Helen not wanting to be crass by coming out and saying "you may need to kill me." Not sure. (we really need a "shrug" smilie.) :)

Seems very Victorian upper crust. There are just things you can say without saying them. :) The meaning is still clear.

Even after 100 years some training does tell. ;)

Suse

EvenstarSRV
March 15th, 2009, 10:53 PM
i'm not really getting what you're getting at. i think i'm a bit slow tonight. :p

Well, I was thinking that, while I'm sure Helen has had a lot of near-death experiences, after living such a long life she must get complacent about her longevity to an extent, and part of that could also entail avoiding serious thought about the possibility of death.

I also think Helen can be quite blunt about serious matters, so it seemed a bit odd to me that she didn't just come out and tell Will, 'If I go crazy and threaten your life you'll need to kill me.' I'm sure her upbringing influenced her actual phrasing, but in that type of situation I don't really see Helen worrying or caring about how she sounded, she'd want to make sure Will understood her properly.

So I kinda saw Helen's phrasing as way of addressing the issue of her potential, almost inevitable, death as much as she needed to, but not as directly as she could have because she may have also been in a bit of denial about dying like Will was in denial about potentially having to kill her.

Am I making any more sense or am I just making a muddle of an explanation? This all sounds so much better in my own head...:o :p



Evenstar--I see what you mean about the indirect way Helen put her request being a sort of denial--though I hadn't thought of it that way. I thought of it more as Helen not wanting to be crass by coming out and saying "you may need to kill me." Not sure. (we really need a "shrug" smilie.) :)

Yeah, that sounds reasonable, I think I may just be reading too much into the scene. :o

Samantha.Majka
August 26th, 2009, 04:12 AM
How everyone said : Holy Cow. Yes. When I saw this epsiode at the first time, I was in love with it in one minute.
Amanda was very hot and great. Robin too.
I think that Amanda has the best actress performance ever in this ep.

Rocky89
August 28th, 2009, 08:38 PM
How everyone said : Holy Cow. Yes. When I saw this epsiode at the first time, I was in love with it in one minute.
Amanda was very hot and great. Robin too.
I think that Amanda has the best actress performance ever in this ep.

If you liked that, you'll love this :D-

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Page_1-22.png

And this-

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Page_1-23.jpg

:D

MissCheerfully
August 30th, 2009, 05:07 AM
Aha!! Lmao! Very funny Rocky89 both of your comics ^^

Tachyon
February 20th, 2010, 03:20 AM
This was a good episode. The story was interesting and Amanda did superb job with her "going nuts" thing. The scene where they find the dead mermaids is haunting.

stargatelover4ever
February 27th, 2010, 08:44 AM
very good episode
outstanding performance of Amanda!!! she really knows how to get crazy in a plausible way :D
I liked the begining, I usually like this kind of beginings for a film, they always make you be tense trying to find out what led to it :D
the plot was quite good too :D
bottom line : a great episode :)

jckfan55
February 27th, 2010, 12:19 PM
very good episode
outstanding performance of Amanda!!! she really knows how to get crazy in a plausible way :D

I really liked how you saw it come on gradually. And they way it was a switch for Magnus to be the patient.

Samantha.Majka
June 4th, 2010, 11:16 AM
I think that this episode deserves more attention. Hehe.

Did you think about the fact that the "interesting alien" could be in Will instead of Helen ?

dipsofjazz
August 18th, 2011, 04:02 PM
I watched this episode again today, and I love the teaser where you think Will is the baddie, only for all to be revealed later.
I also love the music when Helen is dying. It adds so much to the scene.

jckfan55
August 19th, 2011, 09:25 AM
Yes, he looks kind of evil in that scene. :D

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 12:53 PM
This is my favorite episode! Of all time! Well, actually, I think now it ties with Normandy, with Out of the Blue a very narrow second place. But still! It blows my mind every time I watch it.

I tried using it to get my mother into watching the show, but she ruined it (for herself only... she could never ruin it for me :D) by pointing out that Magnus and Will too often get soaking wet and STAY soaking wet for entire episodes...

I say well worth it. Besides, they couldn't get two MORE attractive people to get soaking wet for an entire episode. Instead of a drawback, I'm thinking bonus. :p

I think my favorite part(s) is when she's patting him on the forehead, telling him to stay... and when they're doing the 20 questions thing at the very start. A total foreshadow of where they could potentially go with the show. I love revisionist history. Blows my mind!

So yes. I enjoy Requiem quite a bit. Can you tell?

lookupwardsnshare
December 12th, 2011, 09:06 AM
AWESOME episode!!!! Enough said.

Skydiver
August 6th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Requiem

this week's episode. Lessee, we get magnus' back story, with the requisite name dropping. There's a dig at skiffy, Sharktopus.
I feel there's also a hint of Jaws with the post mortem, but maybe that's just me.
I loved seeing panicked magnus, but that Will also calls her on her actions.
She did a great job iwth crazy as she descends (no pun intended) further and further into madness.

Will gets to resurrect the immortal and we have a happy ending

I know this started the annual ritual of a 'will and magnus two hander', but because it was the first I felt it was better than any of the others. I loved the friendly name dropping - although I always wonder if Magnus really knew those folks or if she just has fun pranking people. Will actually acted a protogee rather than 'immature man'

I do have the one question....where'd the parasite pop go?

JanSam
August 6th, 2012, 07:38 PM
This one is still my favorite for the First Season. I loved how it started; making it appear as though Will was the one who has lost control and then showing us from the beginning of the mission.

I agree Sky that this episode is the best of the two hander. LOL would fun to prank him wouldn't it :P. I think this also started Martin on his quest to get Amanda in the water. :p

I would hope they had some kind of containment stored on board for it....or kept the fire extinguisher handy :D.