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GateWorld
December 1st, 2008, 06:28 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 313</FONT>
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Peter and Nathan find themselves on opposite sides over whether to use the now complete formula that can give normal people abilities. Sylar locks Claire, Noah, Angela and Meredith inside Primatech and hunts them. Ando takes the formula in the hopes of rescuing Hiro from the past, with startling consequences.

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the fifth man
December 16th, 2008, 06:38 PM
IMO, this was a great end to Volume 3. While "Villains" had it's up and downs, in the end, it really came together well.

jds1982
December 16th, 2008, 07:47 PM
So Sylar, do we think he's really gone?

the fifth man
December 16th, 2008, 08:00 PM
So Sylar, do we think he's really gone?

Of course he isn't.;) Besides, I've read spoilers involving him.

RoK
December 16th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Of course he isn't.;) Besides, I've read spoilers involving him.

So have I. Anyway, all and all, I liked this volume. Fugitives sounds pretty cool though.

Bobby
December 17th, 2008, 03:21 AM
fugitives does sound really good.

I like the idea of having nathan as a villian cause he is a different type of a villian. All the other ones have just been because there really strong but he will be powerful through poitical means which should be intresting.

The writers have also set up sylar to be evil but can also be helpful. I can see him working with peter against nathan because they could be our only hope!!!

And thank god mohinda is ok i loved his character far too much!

Wyrminarrd
December 17th, 2008, 05:15 AM
Good episode, "Villians" really managed to get into gear towards the end.

I look forward to the Patrelli brothers going to war with each other, it will be interesting to see how their mother handles that.

I hope the "heroes" will go back to their normal lives before everything goes to hell. Those people to have lives in which they need to pay their bills and interact with people not in on the whole power thing.

Madwelshboy
December 17th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Talk about a body count in this episode!! tho these deaths werent really significant as most were just filler characters.

The Prophet
December 17th, 2008, 02:58 PM
Oooh. I liked this episode.

Didn't actually tie everything up, instead leaving things open for Chapter 4, unlike the following chapters.

- the 50 Powered Marines.
- Ando's Chargin Ma Laser Ability (and killing Future!Hiro with it)

I was really hoping that the Superstrong Marine, Scott would have more of a role, even though Superstregnth is pretty blande, I was hoping he'd have a Superman-style punch-out with Knox, came close :P

Anyone else think of Claude when Hiro was conversing with the Pidgeon? :P

Echo didn't have much screentime either, from the mobisodes it seemed like he would be an interesting character, have a sound-off against Sylar with the same abilities, alas he had less than a minute, shame. :/

Dual's actually a good episode title, what with Flint & Meredith both having pyrokinesis and burning down the respective HQs, Knox & Scott both having Superstregnth, and Sylar & Echo both having sound manipulation, even if they didn't get a proper chance to clash.

I'm curious as to why Sylar didn't take Hobo-Colossus' ability and the Puppetmasters, both seem to be pretty useful and powerful; perhaps he didn't think he had the time.

Worf as President! :D

jenks
December 17th, 2008, 03:13 PM
Really didn't like this episode, awful science and those corny Sylar lines are starting to become unbearable. And how can Arthur be dead, didn't be absorb Adam's healing ability?

The Prophet
December 17th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Really didn't like this episode, awful science and those corny Sylar lines are starting to become unbearable. And how can Arthur be dead, didn't be absorb Adam's healing ability?

Bullet in the head kills you, apparantly.

Either that or incapacitates you long enough for your body to be burnt to dust in a fiery inferno...

flameling
December 17th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Bullet in the head kills you, apparantly.

Either that or incapacitates you long enough for your body to be burnt to dust in a fiery inferno...

I think it's the second one because once the bullet is removed you recover. Now that I think of it, it is a combination of both, killing you long enough for your body to burnt. I liked the episode, high body count, Nathan becoming evil, questionable fate for Sylar. I'm guessing he miracolously lived. Makes me curious who his actual parents are though, that should be interesting. One of the only things that I didn't like was that it didn't seem like Hiro got back his power. Maybe Mr. Petrelli didn't actually remove all traces of it and Ando can supercharge it back to normal? I doubt it, but maybe we get another personal quest for Hiro to get back his power.

Descent
December 17th, 2008, 06:16 PM
This was probably the best Season 3 episode yet....but then again, this Season has been all over the place so that's not saying a whole lot. :P

The Good:
- Sylar is back. His whole "OK guess I'll be a good boy" arc this volume was pretty cringe-inducing.
- Mohinder is finally back to normal (again, that whole "OK guess I'll go against my better judgment at every turn" arc was something that wasn't so good this volume). But he still has his powers...right??
- Ando finally has a power and it's a pretty awesome one (someone said his power is one of the more dangerous ones, I'd have to agree).
- Meredith sure blew up real good! :jack_new_anime05: I kinda hope she comes back...she's a pretty decent character, imho.
- Michael Dorn is the President. :cool:

The Bad:
- Peter. Why has he not shown any emotion towards any of these events!? He just watched his father get a bullet shoved into his head! His brother was ready to kill him. But....nothing.
- Nathan. From being a good guy two episodes ago to becoming the biggest jerk on the series. Where did this all come from?! Now he wants to lock away all the people he has met up to this point?!? Jeez.

So... a solid 8/10 from me. At least this volume ended on a high note. One can only hope that Volume 4 treats the characters better than this one did...

the fifth man
December 17th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Personally, I have very high hope for Volume 4. Volume 3 really came together nicely towards the end, so I believe they may have gotten some of the old Heroes magic back.

AvatarIII
December 18th, 2008, 06:48 AM
I'm curious as to why Sylar didn't take Hobo-Colossus' ability and the Puppetmasters, both seem to be pretty useful and powerful; perhaps he didn't think he had the time.

Worf as President! :D

how do we know he didn't take hobo collosus' power, all we saw was his severed arm.

The Prophet
December 18th, 2008, 10:20 AM
how do we know he didn't take hobo collosus' power, all we saw was his severed arm.

Well, it seemed to be still moving, so I assumed he had just been killed/ ripped to shreds, and Sylar didn't appear to be covered in blood, so...

He could have taken it though, true.

mr_kennedy
December 19th, 2008, 04:33 PM
great episode 9/10

things i liked

worf obama :D
setting up for volume 4
angela survived
peter got his powers back
mohinder back to normal (i guess)
ando has a power :D

things i didnt like

when did sylar learn to teleport?
tracy strauss survived :(
hiro is still powerless
didnt see much of michael dorn, i saw him in the credits at the start and i was looking for him during the whole episode :( (but his appearance was good tho)
couldnt ando shoot red flames in hiro's alternate future?

there just nitpicking things but there wasnt really anything i didnt like about this episode, reminded me of the greatness of season 1

and i kind of get the feeling that ando will jumpstart hiro's powers

The Prophet
December 19th, 2008, 04:39 PM
when did sylar learn to teleport?
couldnt ando shoot red flames in hiro's alternate future?

Sylar just uses his Telekinesis to move silently/ levitate around rooms, and probably sound manipulation to remain stealthy quiet as he goes. Much like how he was when he was messing with Claire to get her powers in the first episode.

Future!Ando had lightning to, although much more controlled and directed in arcs it seems. :)

mr_kennedy
December 19th, 2008, 04:48 PM
Sylar just uses his Telekinesis to move silently/ levitate around rooms, and probably sound manipulation to remain stealthy quiet as he goes. Much like how he was when he was messing with Claire to get her powers in the first episode.

Future!Ando had lightning to, although much more controlled and directed in arcs it seems. :)

thanks for clarifying, i must have missed that

Descent
December 20th, 2008, 07:58 AM
tracy strauss survived :(

Haha, yeah. They really need to get Ali Larter off the show. Tracy is such a bad character (she had a promising start but man....) and Ali Larter is just...not a very good actress. Sigh...

wise one
December 24th, 2008, 06:07 AM
thats not bad episode

i wanted meredith and flint to finally find each other and him finding out claire is his niece

i didnt really like knox so im glad his dead
i guess sylar doesnt need doyle abilites since he has telekinisis and he might of taken hobo collosus abilty and if he could get it maybe the best way for him was to strench his body to it broke hence the servered arm (maybe)

i loved the bit where meredith cringed when doyle was talking to sylar about her

wanted more screen time from the marine like him getting the upper hand on knox since his a marine he wouldnt really fear knox and knox would be a normal guy

Dutch_Razor
December 26th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Really didn't like this episode, awful science and those corny Sylar lines are starting to become unbearable. And how can Arthur be dead, didn't be absorb Adam's healing ability?

The Ha´tian was there, apperantly once you're shot with him there you're a goner!

So this means the Ha´tian could easily dispose of Sylar, I think they made him too powerful, the Ha´tian could kill every single most powerful character was he given a gun and put to good use. Though apparently his power doesn't last forever, would Sylar be stronger than Petrelli?

flameling
December 30th, 2008, 11:31 AM
The Ha´tian was there, apperantly once you're shot with him there you're a goner!

So this means the Ha´tian could easily dispose of Sylar, I think they made him too powerful, the Ha´tian could kill every single most powerful character was he given a gun and put to good use. Though apparently his power doesn't last forever, would Sylar be stronger than Petrelli?

I thought it was more of a matter of where you were shot. With Claire and Peter we learned that once an object enters the head, you won't heal untill it's removed, and Adam believed that a bullet straight through the head would kill him permanantly. You could also blow the brain to little peices and burn the body so that said person would never regenarate properly. I'm surprised why no one's asked about why Peter isn't dead? I know that this may not be the best place for this question but when Claire lost her power she died of an infection, when Adam lost his he turned to dust. So why isn't Peter dead? The only thing I can think of is that he still had an immune system which would only work if he wasn't using Claire's power. I liked the episode, Sylar was back with awesomeness. And Ando has a power. Can't wait for Fugitives!

The Prophet
December 31st, 2008, 01:58 PM
Adam believed that a bullet straight through the head would kill him permanantly.

I've wondered, how exactly does Adam know a bullet to the head would kill him? Clearly he's not experienced it to himself; so he must have met another person with Regenerative capabilities and seen it happen to them.

Although, possibly nobody thought to remove the bullet, so the person could have still been recoverable...

Also, Adam was a goner anyway, days later and the Eclipse would have removed his powers and he would have been turned to dust.

Alan Wake
January 1st, 2009, 06:43 AM
Also, Adam was a goner anyway, days later and the Eclipse would have removed his powers and he would have been turned to dust.

Actually, i wonder about this. He's been alive for hundreds of years right? You would think the eclipse would have happened many times during his long life time.

flameling
January 2nd, 2009, 01:53 PM
Actually, i wonder about this. He's been alive for hundreds of years right? You would think the eclipse would have happened many times during his long life time.

Unless he had a disease that progressed each time he lost his power because his immune system wasn't active continually. Don't know how it would turn him to dust though.

Draver
January 2nd, 2009, 08:12 PM
Unless he had a disease that progressed each time he lost his power because his immune system wasn't active continually. Don't know how it would turn him to dust though.

The way I understood it, since he was so old, when he lost his power his body simply reverted back to what he should of been if he never had power: dead. He should of been completely decomposed and back to dust.

flameling
January 4th, 2009, 11:26 AM
The way I understood it, since he was so old, when he lost his power his body simply reverted back to what he should of been if he never had power: dead. He should of been completely decomposed and back to dust.

That's how I understood it too, but unless the Eclipse was a one time thing, which is doubtful, it should of happened many times in his life.

Matt G
January 7th, 2009, 02:56 PM
1. Some messy loyalties in this ep.

2. I'm not sure Hiro has his power back yet.

3. RIP Meredith.

4. Nathan, WTF are you doing?

Ancavge
January 20th, 2009, 04:49 PM
wasn't Haitian still holding Arthur powers back when Sylar kill him with the bullet though the head? if not wouldn't Arthur have fought back?

Shan Bruce Lee
January 26th, 2009, 02:39 PM
The way I understood it, since he was so old, when he lost his power his body simply reverted back to what he should of been if he never had power: dead. He should of been completely decomposed and back to dust.

Why would it? He's not an old man (technically) so even if he lost his powers for a day he'd still have the body of a 30 yr old or w/e he's supposed to be.

garhkal
January 11th, 2016, 01:58 PM
So Sylar, do we think he's really gone?

Since he is supposed to be in later eps, no..


fugitives does sound really good.

I like the idea of having nathan as a villian cause he is a different type of a villian. All the other ones have just been because there really strong but he will be powerful through poitical means which should be intresting.

The writers have also set up sylar to be evil but can also be helpful. I can see him working with peter against nathan because they could be our only hope!!!

And thank god mohinda is ok i loved his character far too much!

Nathan from season 1 has always imo been a villan, being willing to LET NY get blown up (as part of mommies premonitions) to get himself installed in the WH, being willing to serve his brother up on a platter to daddy.. He just has had flashes of being a hero thrown in, but to be has always been a baddie..

Suresh on the other hand, went from your a-typical absent minded professor (science with no thought of ramifications) to a baddie (willing to do what he needed to cure himself no matter who he hurt)..


Talk about a body count in this episode!! tho these deaths werent really significant as most were just filler characters.

True and with the puppet master out, that's one less psychopath out there..


I thought it was more of a matter of where you were shot. With Claire and Peter we learned that once an object enters the head, you won't heal untill it's removed, and Adam believed that a bullet straight through the head would kill him permanantly. You could also blow the brain to little peices and burn the body so that said person would never regenarate properly. I'm surprised why no one's asked about why Peter isn't dead? I know that this may not be the best place for this question but when Claire lost her power she died of an infection, when Adam lost his he turned to dust. So why isn't Peter dead? The only thing I can think of is that he still had an immune system which would only work if he wasn't using Claire's power. I liked the episode, Sylar was back with awesomeness. And Ando has a power. Can't wait for Fugitives!

Both Adam and claire had it from the get go, so their bodies probably never developed the ability to fight infections. Peter just copied it from claire in S1, so already has built up immunities to some diseases over the years..


wasn't Haitian still holding Arthur powers back when Sylar kill him with the bullet though the head? if not wouldn't Arthur have fought back?

But if the Hatian was there suppressing powers, why WAS sylar able to use HIS?? Or is the Hatians power blocker only able to get used on one person at a time??