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GateWorld
December 1st, 2008, 06:27 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 312</FONT>
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Claire tries to stop the Company from making her the catalyst after Hiro brings her 16 years into the past. In the present day Nathan takes control of Pineheart, while Angela orders Peter to kill his father. Matt, Daphne and Ando attempt to retrieve Isaac's sketch book, and Sylar returns to his old ways.

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the fifth man
December 8th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Really good episode tonight. I loved the scene between Claire and her "Dad" in the past, and the interaction between Hiro and his Mom. At the end there, I thought we were finally going to see Hiro as a true hero. But no, everything was taken from him.

As for Sylar, man! He is definitely back with a vengeance.

Next week's episode should really be something else too.

Dark Matter
December 8th, 2008, 10:18 PM
did anyone else find it poetic that the character that recieved the first injection of superpowers was the same actor from the 4400 chad faust?

mr_kennedy
December 9th, 2008, 12:45 AM
another favorite of mine losses his ability :(:( why?

and sylar was on top form tonight awesome

6/10

knowsfords
December 9th, 2008, 06:29 AM
Did anyone else think the siloette that moved across the screen when Ando/Matt and Daphne found out Hiro was stuck in the past might've been Hiro.

EDIT: How awesome was Sylar in this episode?

Cake? :D

Insipid
December 9th, 2008, 07:50 AM
I'm just glad that they decided to actually go through with Peter pulling the trigger, rather than leaving that for the next episode, it showed some balls on behalf of the writers.

flameling
December 9th, 2008, 12:18 PM
I liked the episode, some greivances:
1). Hiro lost his power.
Things I liked:
1). Hiro and his mom.
2). SYLAR'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3). Formula works
4). Peter pulled the trigger

Yeah, those are my big things.

mr_kennedy
December 9th, 2008, 03:22 PM
one thing tho

i guess when there dead sylar cant take there powers

entil2001
December 9th, 2008, 04:36 PM
After the disappointments of the two-part “eclipse”, my expectations for this episode were fairly low. So I was a bit surprised to find that most of this episode was quite enjoyable. It gave me some small hope that a tighter focus with a stronger sense of direction could restore the series to its former glory.

The episode focused on Hiro and Claire, so it’s probably no surprise that I liked those plot threads the most. In particular, I found them poignant, which is not something I can say about “Heroes” very often. Both situations required a bit of hand-waving and contrivance to work as intended, but after a while, you learn to accept such things (to a certain degree).

I know a lot of people have come to despise Claire, and to an extent it’s understandable, but I think the majority of the problem is the writing. Hayden wasn’t phoning anything in on this episode. Was it a little too convenient for Noah to listen to the babbling teenage girl with an unknown ability standing over the baby he was just ordered to protect at all costs? Probably. But I couldn’t help but smile when he said, “Claire-bear”, and realized what was happening.

Similarly, while it seems a bit odd that Hiro’s father wouldn’t notice the similarities between his son and the mysteriously befuddled “chef” that appeared out of nowhere, the scenes between Hiro and his mother were simply golden. I’d like the writers to bring this generational aspect of the show to an end, to be honest, but this worked. At least, it worked until Arthur came along out of nowhere and undercut Hiro’s heroic decision to take on responsibility for the catalyst.

So where the catalyst came from is completely vague, but it can be transferred and apparently works like “the glow” from “The Last Dragon”. Wonderful. But why give Hiro the first meaningful moment in the entire volume, only to snatch it out from under him? There’s a certain shock value to it all, but the plot necessities seem to be driving that moment.

After all, the writers needed the catalyst to be revealed so that Arthur could steal it, use it to activate the Not-Promicin (because it’s red, not green), power up the first batch of Super-Soldiers (beginning, ironically, with a former cast member of “The 4400”), thus setting the stage for a serious Sylar killing spree. After all, once Arthur is conveniently out of the way, Sylar is in the perfect position to force the soldiers to take the Not-Promicin and then steal the resulting abilities.

As usual, Sylar’s character motivations are all over the place, and now, his supposed hunger has turned him into a Dexter clone. Now it’s not about parental approval, or the hunger for power; it’s about the hunger to kill in the process. It’s suddenly a liking for violence. This may swing him back closer to the amoral characterization of the first two seasons, but it doesn’t ring true with the rest of the third volume at all.

At the very least, Sylar’s arrival should put an end to Arthur’s plan, regardless of Nathan’s intentions. Sylar might even wipe out Nathan and Tracy in the process of taking control of the facility. But I’m not sure whether or not this will end with Peter and Hiro’s powers restored. A lot is still up in the air, and the writers still need to bring all of this to a meaningful conclusion.

knowles2
December 9th, 2008, 05:58 PM
Did anyone else think the siloette that moved across the screen when Ando/Matt and Daphne found out Hiro was stuck in the past might've been Hiro.


Yep, it did look like Hiro through how would he know they be their is entirely uncertain through it possible that his dad rescue him from the flag pole and hid him up to the point he is needed and his dad obviously set up ways to track people in America when needed.

I wonder what the light is, the only thing that would make sense if it was some part of the sun itself which would link it into the eclipse, or perhaps and person who possess the abilities to give powers and was able to pass that power on to someone else, Hiro mum. I guess we will get answers soon.

Sylar will not take over the facilities or stop Nathan as they doing exactly what he wants them to, after all the more powers they create the more he can steal

I think the reason he turn insane is the side product of the activation of his powers, he cannot control them when they first activates same as peter could not control the ability, someone got to teach you. Sylar does not seem to be in the learning mood.

I like Nathan as took control of pinehirst and building himself a army, this does set up the probability that he will then go Micah to rig the presidential election in his favour and well to fund raise for him, and use his cousin as leverage. Which give them a clear way to introduce those two characters back into the fold.

I wonder if Arthur is still alive he should in theory recover as soon as the Haitan leaves the room or stop using his powers or someone removes the bullet from the brain, if it was that easy to kill someone with powers they should of done it with Adam Monroe, I suspect that he will probably teleport away in the next episode, knowing Nathan is doing what he wants him to do anyway so why put himself into danger, he seem like a bloke who like to pull strings from behind the scene.

So it seem Nathan is to become the new baddy of the villain chapter and hunting down his bother and other fellow mutants, with sylar hunting his solders down and by that fact they will become semi allies again.
The Promicin drug will obviously be release to the general public, probably during Nathan down full and the mess that will ensue.

the fifth man
December 9th, 2008, 06:36 PM
I watched this episode again today, this time with my GF. It was even better the second time around.:) I really can't wait until next week.

Bobby
December 10th, 2008, 01:47 AM
Solid episode... Just like to say that the actor who playes Sylar is unbelievable good!!!

Spimman
December 10th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I'm glad Arthur is dead, I'm not happy about Hiro.

Where did Arthur get his time travel ability from in the first place?

knowles2
December 10th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Where did Arthur get his time travel ability from in the first place?

Peter

Platschu
December 10th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Hiro's mother was played by Tamylin Tomita, who was the Chinese ambassador in SG-1 and Atantis. :)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000674/

The Prophet
December 10th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Hiro's mother was played by Tamylin Tomita, who was the Chinese ambassador in SG-1 and Atantis. :)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000674/

THAT's where I recognised her from!

Great episode, nice time-travel plot, was hoping for a little more backstory on the Heroes-world, but seeing as Hiro is still stuck there, hopefully next week's episode will have some in.

Sylar is amazing. The elevator scene was epic xD

Next week's thrilling conclusion to this Chapter should be great. Nathan in command with a squad of soldiers at his disposal. Perfect :D

Platschu
December 10th, 2008, 04:14 PM
I miss Elle. :(:(:(

marty2006
December 10th, 2008, 04:52 PM
Whats the deal with peter and hiro losing their powers its doing my head in. Maybe now that sylars back peter can get his back but god knows how. Also i dont think we've seen the last of peters father.

Commander Zelix
December 10th, 2008, 06:14 PM
While the eclipse 2 parter was a boring mess. This episode was actually pretty good. While his progression doesn't make sense, its nice to have the old Sylar back. The scene with Hiro's mother was heartfelt. The episode was fun to watch.

AvatarIII
December 11th, 2008, 02:25 AM
so hero could protect the light eh? WRONG!!!!

question: how did arthur get to 16 years ago? or was that 16 years ago arthur? if so how did he know about stuff? or did he take hiro's power when he took his memory, but only now took his powers away?

i'm so confused!!

Wyrminarrd
December 11th, 2008, 02:29 AM
so hero could protect the light eh? WRONG!!!!

question: how did arthur get to 16 years ago? or was that 16 years ago arthur? if so how did he know about stuff? or did he take hiro's power when he took his memory, but only now took his powers away?

i'm so confused!!

He took the time travel power from Peter along with all the other powers that Peter had.

Bobby
December 11th, 2008, 02:33 AM
so hero could protect the light eh? WRONG!!!!

question: how did arthur get to 16 years ago? or was that 16 years ago arthur? if so how did he know about stuff? or did he take hiro's power when he took his memory, but only now took his powers away?

i'm so confused!!

Arthur got the ability to travel through time from Peter when he took all his powers. He also didn't take Hiro's power when he stole his memory...which just seems kinda stupid but from his point of view but there you go.

Also Hiro couldn't really do much Arthur would have got it off Claire anyway.

AvatarIII
December 11th, 2008, 04:12 AM
He took the time travel power from Peter along with all the other powers that Peter had.


Arthur got the ability to travel through time from Peter when he took all his powers. He also didn't take Hiro's power when he stole his memory...which just seems kinda stupid but from his point of view but there you go.

Also Hiro couldn't really do much Arthur would have got it off Claire anyway.

*facepalm* i'm such an idiot, please ignore me :mckay:

i just hope peter gets his powers back soo, or else who will save hiro!

knowsfords
December 11th, 2008, 06:43 AM
By the way, I think that Angela might still be Sylars mother as Sylar asked Arthur if he was his father.

AvatarIII
December 11th, 2008, 07:15 AM
By the way, I think that Angela might still be Sylars mother as Sylar asked Arthur if he was his father.

i thought that too! it's certainly a good point.

Bobby
December 11th, 2008, 03:34 PM
By the way, I think that Angela might still be Sylars mother as Sylar asked Arthur if he was his father.

Ohh good theory... That would be very intresting.

wise one
December 18th, 2008, 03:28 AM
peter was standing over the catalyst so made he absorbed it and gave him back his powers

the part i dont get is when they say they can choose any power they like, mohinder said each person dna is different so how could ando get time travel abilities

its not the power of will

NIKIN
December 23rd, 2008, 01:49 AM
the part i dont get is when they say they can choose any power they like, mohinder said each person dna is different so how could ando get time travel abilities

its not the power of will

I think that was just a bit of propoganda to sell the drug, it is in the DNA

The Prophet
December 26th, 2008, 05:21 PM
I think that was just a bit of propoganda to sell the drug, it is in the DNA

What I don't understand is, if the power you receive is based upon your DNA, how could Niki and Tracy, two of the three triplets, have different powers? Seeing as they're identical, possessing the same DNA, shouldn't they have developed the same powers?

flameling
December 30th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Before more people get confused over Arthur's time traveling skip, he did it before. Remember when he teleported back to Pinehearst after killing Usutu? It was one of the powers he got from Peter, possibly along with Telekenisis and most likely with Elle's power. Good episode in all.

Matt G
December 30th, 2008, 03:38 PM
1. Liked the Lost in translation stuff.

2. Claire playing babysitter was risky but she got away with it.

3. I was sure Hiro and his Mum were going to get caught - that would have been mental! What happened instead was messy though.


4. Liked how messenger guy got apprehended.

5. Liked how Arther was taken out. Syler is dangerous, knows it, but seems to be killing for a reason, at least some of the time. Like he said "you're not a killer Peter, I am".

6. I still have a hunch that Nathan could be reasoned with. He doesn't seem to be 100% comfortable with Arthur's philosophy.

7. How the hell is Hiro going to be retrieved from the early 1990s though?

DeLancey
February 13th, 2009, 09:47 PM
One obvious concern I've had about Peter losing his abilities including his base ability. There is currently no one individual who could counter Sylar except perhaps the Haitian.
I'll be waiting for the following episode which will be next week for me as of this post.

TBA
February 17th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Well, anyone can counter Sylar... Just grab a shotgun and with a good headshot he's gone.

garhkal
January 10th, 2016, 04:11 PM
Really good episode tonight. I loved the scene between Claire and her "Dad" in the past, and the interaction between Hiro and his Mom. At the end there, I thought we were finally going to see Hiro as a true hero. But no, everything was taken from him.


So that makes me wonder. How does Hiro get back to the present with Clare AND get his powers back...

I also was loving the claire - dad/mom/baby her interacting.. Was rather well acted.


Did anyone else think the siloette that moved across the screen when Ando/Matt and Daphne found out Hiro was stuck in the past might've been Hiro.

EDIT: How awesome was Sylar in this episode?

Cake? :D

He might redeam himself after all. And i loved how he used his new 'lie detector' to prove he is NOT a petrelli..



1). Hiro and his mom.

I loved the Hiro and his mother scene, but its a real pity he has now been a cause of both parents dying.. Mom from taking the 'catalyst' and dad for 'not interfering'


2). SYLAR'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which one?


3). Formula works

Pity.. Now they need to destroy it!


4). Peter pulled the trigger
.

About time he showed some balls.


I wonder what the light is, the only thing that would make sense if it was some part of the sun itself which would link it into the eclipse, or perhaps and person who possess the abilities to give powers and was able to pass that power on to someone else, Hiro mum. I guess we will get answers soon.


At this point, that makes the most logical sense...


I think the reason he turn insane is the side product of the activation of his powers, he cannot control them when they first activates same as peter could not control the ability, someone got to teach you. Sylar does not seem to be in the learning mood.


True, when peter took them from sylar, he did seem to instantly get that "Hunger", same as when Sylar first realized he could take powers too.


I wonder if Arthur is still alive he should in theory recover as soon as the Haitan leaves the room or stop using his powers or someone removes the bullet from the brain, if it was that easy to kill someone with powers they should of done it with Adam Monroe, I suspect that he will probably teleport away in the next episode, knowing Nathan is doing what he wants him to do anyway so why put himself into danger, he seem like a bloke who like to pull strings from behind the scene.


We saw in S1, that with someone lodged in the head, the power to heal is kept abated.. So as long as they don't remove the bullet, he should stay "Dead".. Though i wonder, if they cut off the head entirely, would they regenerate it?? What of if they put them through an industrial incinerator while powered down or a wood chipper..?


so hero could protect the light eh? WRONG!!!!

question: how did arthur get to 16 years ago? or was that 16 years ago arthur? if so how did he know about stuff? or did he take hiro's power when he took his memory, but only now took his powers away?

Maybe cause he took that precogs power, he drew out in one of those sketches he had, that Hiro and Clare went back in time ot that spot so that is how he knew they would be there.. OR he just figured out why bother stealing it from teen claire, just go back to when the company handed it over to Noah and steal it then??