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Greenfire32
November 25th, 2008, 08:28 PM
First off, let me apologize if there's a similar thread out there. The search function only gives me the forum homepage, so my chances of finding such a thread are low.

Secondly, I've been cruising around the forums for the past few months reading about what people have to say about the current SGA episodes and I'm finding a lot of negativity. People keep bashing episodes by saying that, "The CGI is horrible," or that, "the writers suck," and even, "*insert character's name here* would never do or say that!"

Lets take "Remnants" for example. People have said that the episode resembled Star Wars too much with Sheppard losing his hand and Koyla looking down on him from the cliff's edge and that the whole "Sheppard Story Line" would never have happened because he knows Koyla is dead and that the Genii could never know where Atlantis is. (This is not the only episode--just one I can easily remember).

Now don't get me wrong, I'll admit that SGA has had a few stinker episodes but are the viewers becoming to serious when it comes to watching SGA? I have enjoyed just about every episode of Stargate there is and it's because when I watch Stargate, I throw reality out the window and dive right into the Sci-Fi that is Stargate. Doing this allows me to take in everything that's given to me on the big screen and appreciate SGA so much more. It seems to me, however, that some people are looking for an excuse to bash SGA and in doing so, they miss out on the Stargate experience.

So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

Heqet
November 25th, 2008, 08:33 PM
I agree with you. It's sort of strange to see all these people who devote their time to Stargate talking about how much they hate what's happening in the episodes. I tend to laugh at plot-holes and such instead of getting mad about them.

I must admit, I do love Keller-bashing, though. :)

SylvreWolfe
November 25th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Yes, the viewers are too serious.

GateGurl
November 25th, 2008, 08:37 PM
I definately agree. First and foremost, it is a tv show, not reality, so there is really no big reason to just so up-tight about the little things! Sure there is going to be the occassional episode that isn't up-to-par with their usual good standard, but I mean, everyone can't be perfect right? :) I mean I think we should be grateful that in the 10 years of SG1 and the 5 years of SGA there have really be very few 'bad' episodes, something quite remarkable for 2 long run series.

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 08:45 PM
First off, let me apologize if there's a similar thread out there. The search function only gives me the forum homepage, so my chances of finding such a thread are low.

Secondly, I've been cruising around the forums for the past few months reading about what people have to say about the current SGA episodes and I'm finding a lot of negativity. People keep bashing episodes by saying that, "The CGI is horrible," or that, "the writers suck," and even, "*insert character's name here* would never do or say that!"

Lets take "Remnants" for example. People have said that the episode resembled Star Wars too much with Sheppard losing his hand and Koyla looking down on him from the cliff's edge and that the whole "Sheppard Story Line" would never have happened because he knows Koyla is dead and that the Genii could never know where Atlantis is. (This is not the only episode--just one I can easily remember).

Now don't get me wrong, I'll admit that SGA has had a few stinker episodes but are the viewers becoming to serious when it comes to watching SGA? I have enjoyed just about every episode of Stargate there is and it's because when I watch Stargate, I throw reality out the window and dive right into the Sci-Fi that is Stargate. Doing this allows me to take in everything that's given to me on the big screen and appreciate SGA so much more. It seems to me, however, that some people are looking for an excuse to bash SGA and in doing so, they miss out on the Stargate experience.

So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

The Negative/complaint opinions are the loudest voices on any forum. A lot of folks are loving this season like myself. So it's very subjective.

GW has become a hate-fest for almost anything Stargate related, not just SGA. People might want to move on if they don't like something anymore.

Don't let a few loud folks get you down, because a lot of folks here are still loving this show. It is what you think of the show, not what others think. Remember that! :)

ed263
November 25th, 2008, 08:50 PM
I too agree. As you, I have see many rude, bashing, and just mean comments posted not only about episodes of SGA but on a few occassions about the person posting their opinion. It is truly scarey sometimes.
SGA is a TV show that entertains me, flaws and all. I have not missed a single episode of either SG-1 or SGA and I have enjoyed all of them, some more than others, but I would not have missed them for the world. :)

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 08:52 PM
YES!
Well....as Brian said...only a few.
To me, I agree with most of what has been said. When I watch an episode and then come on here it really is amazing, and intrguing to me to see people focus on such little details so much of the time, especially when it apparently stops them from enjoying the episode.
Like in SAR, there was a plot hole that even annoyed me a little bit. Did I hate the episode? No. I really enjoyed that episode, not as much as a lot of the others, but still.
Or with brain storm, and others.
On most things I do not even see it so much as being bad though. Or I see it in a completly different way. my goal with SG is to be entertained, first and foremost. And it has done that for all the years I have watched it.

Pandora's_Box
November 25th, 2008, 08:55 PM
It's a touchy topic and I'm curious to see how long this thread stays open before it's shut down.

Obviously, people are entitled to their opinions - good or bad. And they're clearly entitled to express them when they want, how they want, and how often they want.

It's a personal thing. Personally, I don't bother devoting energy to something I don't like. Others do it because they're passionate about a show they may have once loved and now feel almost betrayed by what they perceive to be a downward spiral.

I don't think the reasons matter. The crux of the matter remains that if someone wishes to express an opinion they should be free to do so without fear of recrimination or judgment.

Really, what's the point of concerning yourself with why someone else bothers to post what they post? You don't like it, ignore it. Or if you can't ignore it, at least respect it and them enough to not question the matter repeatedly.

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 08:56 PM
YES!
Well....as Brian said...only a few.
To me, I agree with most of what has been said. When I watch an episode and then come on here it really is amazing, and intrguing to me to see people focus on such little details so much of the time, especially when it apparently stops them from enjoying the episode.
Like in SAR, there was a plot hole that even annoyed me a little bit. Did I hate the episode? No. I really enjoyed that episode, not as much as a lot of the others, but still.
Or with brain storm, and others.
On most things I do not even see it so much as being bad though. Or I see it in a completly different way. my goal with SG is to be entertained, first and foremost. And it has done that for all the years I have watched it.

Before the mods shut this thread down, which they likely will. I have to say that I know opinions on both sides are fine. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

Discussing the aspects of an episode and what was good and weak or missing is fine, but folks take it to the next level and will say it sucks before they even watch the episode. I've read reviews like "No wonder why they cancelled this show" and that is all they write. I mean come on, what kind of review is that??? :confused:

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 08:57 PM
It's a touchy topic and I'm curious to see how long this thread stays open before it's shut down.

Obviously, people are entitled to their opinions - good or bad. And they're clearly entitled to express them when they want, how they want, and how often they want.

It's a personal thing. Personally, I don't bother devoting energy to something I don't like. Others do it because they're passionate about a show they may have once loved and now feel almost betrayed by what they perceive to be a downward spiral.

I don't think the reasons matter. The crux of the matter remains that if someone wishes to express an opinion they should be free to do so without fear of recrimination or judgment.

Really, what's the point of concerning yourself with why someone else bothers to post what they post? You don't like it, ignore it. Or if you can't ignore it, at least respect it and them enough to not question the matter repeatedly.For the most part...good points.

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Before the mods shut this thread down, which they likely will. I have to say that I know opinions on both sides are fine. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

Discussing the aspects of an episode and what was good and weak or missing is fine, but folks take it to the next level and will say it sucks before they even watch the episode. I've read reviews like "No wonder why they cancelled this show" and that is all they write. I mean come on, what kind of review is that??? :confused:As bad as they are, they are entitled to those opinions too. Even though I personally agree with you.
But I just think some of the stuff that I have heard and read plan old does not make sense, and crosses the line into insulting, especially in the old anti season 10 thread. And I have not spent enough time in the anti season 5 thread to determine if this trend is continuing. But it was...wow....some of the things really made me want to just scream....fortanatley I backed out.

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 09:01 PM
As bad as they are, they are entitled to those opinions too. Even though I personally agree with you.
But I just think some of the stuff that I have heard and read plan old does not make sense, and crosses the line into insulting, especially in the old anti season 10 thread. And I have not spent enough time in the anti season 5 thread to determine if this trend is continuing. But it was...wow....some of the things really made me want to just scream....fortanatley I backed out.

You know how many times people have bashed M&M? I lost count. Not bashing what they write but calling their writing team fanboy woman obsessed Frat boys with no writing skills. Stuff like that.

ed263
November 25th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Before the mods shut this thread down, which they likely will.

question...why would the mods shut this thread down?

Greenfire32
November 25th, 2008, 09:02 PM
It's a touchy topic and I'm curious to see how long this thread stays open before it's shut down.

Obviously, people are entitled to their opinions - good or bad. And they're clearly entitled to express them when they want, how they want, and how often they want.

It's a personal thing. Personally, I don't bother devoting energy to something I don't like. Others do it because they're passionate about a show they may have once loved and now feel almost betrayed by what they perceive to be a downward spiral.

I don't think the reasons matter. The crux of the matter remains that if someone wishes to express an opinion they should be free to do so without fear of recrimination or judgment.

Really, what's the point of concerning yourself with why someone else bothers to post what they post? You don't like it, ignore it. Or if you can't ignore it, at least respect it and them enough to not question the matter repeatedly.

I'm not saying the people who "bash" the show are wrong or are doing it without a just cause (and I apologize if that's the message that came across), but that it certainly seems that way.

I'm just curious about what the GW users think. Are we, the viewers, getting mad at SGA's performance as of late because of the cancelation, or is there a good reason why all the "bashing" has been going on?

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 09:03 PM
question...why would the mods shut this thread down?

Because it's diving into more of people's opinions rather than the show itself.

Pandora's_Box
November 25th, 2008, 09:06 PM
I'm not saying the people who "bash" the show are wrong or are doing it without a just cause (and I apologize if that's the message that came across), but that it certainly seems that way.

It seems like they're wrong? What exactly do you mean?



I'm just curious about what the GW users think. Are we, the viewers, getting mad at SGA's performance as of late because of the cancelation, or is there a good reason why all the "bashing" has been going on?

There's always been "bashing" and there will always be "bashing". It's impossible to please everyone all the time. This is not a recent phenomenon.

Keep in mind that the posters on forums (GW included) tend to be the more die-hard of fans. They invest a lot more energy into a show than your average viewer. So they take things a bit more personally when something happens they don't like.

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 09:08 PM
It seems like they're wrong? What exactly do you mean?



There's always been "bashing" and there will always be "bashing". It's impossible to please everyone all the time. This is not a recent phenomenon.

Keep in mind that the posters on forums (GW included) tend to be the more die-hard of fans. They invest a lot more energy into a show than your average viewer. So they take things a bit more personally when something happens they don't like.

Just don't throw Ratings in the discussion. Those discussions are frowned upon. :p

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 09:14 PM
You know how many times people have bashed M&M? I lost count. Not bashing what they write but calling their writing team fanboy woman obsessed Frat boys with no writing skills. Stuff like that.
yes there is that. And also blaming them for every single bad call that happens in the show....
the fist bump was probably sheps idea ;) O.....K....maybe not. :P

Greenfire32
November 25th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Just don't throw Ratings in the discussion. Those discussions are frowned upon. :p

Ah yes, that magical "R"-word :jack_new15:


It seems like they're wrong? What exactly do you mean?

What I mean to say is that the amount of "bashing" has reached a somewhat higher than normal level and I can't help but wonder, "Is it really SGA writing that's causing some..."turbulence", or is it the fan reaction to the introduction of SGU that's got everybody in a bind?"

ed263
November 25th, 2008, 09:27 PM
Keep in mind that the posters on forums (GW included) tend to be the more die-hard of fans. They invest a lot more energy into a show than your average viewer. So they take things a bit more personally when something happens they don't like.

See, that's the part that I don't understand. If a poster on a forum tend to be die-hard fan, then why do they bash the thing that they "love". This is what is so confusing to me. If they did not like an episode or pairing or scene or something, then yes, state your opinion in a rational manner, no need to be harsh or mean spirited.

Pandora's_Box
November 25th, 2008, 09:29 PM
See, that's the part that I don't understand. If a poster on a forum tend to be die-hard fan, then why do they bash the thing that they "love". This is what is so confusing to me. It they did not like an episode or pairing or scene or something, then yes, state your opinion in a rational manner, no need to be harsh or mean spirited.

In an ideal word where you can find a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow and butterflies trail in your wake.

In the real world, people have different ways of dealing with disappointment.

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Ah yes, that magical "R"-word :jack_new15:



What I mean to say is that the amount of "bashing" has reached a somewhat higher than normal level and I can't help but wonder, "Is it really SGA writing that's causing some..."turbulence", or is it the fan reaction to the introduction of SGU that's got everybody in a bind?"

Well it's a little bit of both. The SGA fans who still love the show are likely upset that SGU is replacing it, but then the forum is being mixed with fans who cannot stand Atlantis and are glad it's being cancelled. Not a good mix when a show is being non-renewed for another one. Then you have the fans who love SGA and are excited about SGU. There is also some conflicts with that as well. No matter how well SGA peforms it's going to get that bashing by the folks who no longer like the show.

It's just a very tough time now for die hard fans. They don't want to come onto a forum and see people making statements like "So glad this show is being cancelled" or "This show deserves to be cancelled", or "This last episode proves the show is a failure". How does a show deserve to be cancelled is beyond me, oh well. Cannot do anything about it because it's allowed since it's people's opinions. To me it's baiting but that is a totally different story.

I try to let the water run off my back, but sometimes when you just had a rough day in real life, it is not easy.

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 09:35 PM
Well it's a little bit of both. The SGA fans who still love the show are likely upset that SGU is replacing it, but then the forum is being mixed with fans who cannot stand Atlantis and are glad it's being cancelled. Not a good mix when a show is being non-renewed for another one. Then you have the fans who love SGA and are excited about SGU. There is also some conflicts with that as well. No matter how well SGA peforms it's going to get that bashing by the folks who no longer like the show.

It's just a very tough time now for die hard fans. They don't want to come onto a forum and see people making statements like "So glad this show is being cancelled" or "This show deserves to be cancelled", or "This last episode proves the show is a failure". How does a show deserve to be cancelled is beyond me, oh well. Cannot do anything about it because it's allowed since it's people's opinions. To me it's baiting but that is a totally different story.

I try to let the water run off my back, but sometimes when you just had a rough day in real life, it is not easy.Heck. I am in now that latter camp. I am miserable about SGA's cancellation. But I am really starting to get excited about univese.

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 09:36 PM
Heck. I am in now that latter camp. I am miserable about SGA's cancellation. But I am really starting to get excited about univese.

That's good. I'm still ticked off and feel betrayed by the producers, but if SGU is great then I'll eventually get over SGA. If SGU is horrible and unwatchable, they will have to escort me out of here in a straight jacket kicking and screaming. :p

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 09:45 PM
That's good. I'm still ticked off and feel betrayed by the producers, but if SGU is great then I'll eventually get over SGA. If SGU is horrible and unwatchable, they will have to escort me out of here in a straight jacket kicking and screaming. :p
I will just be squezzing the life out of my cat as I hug it in despair to death. :(
But no...Universe is either going to be Babylon 5...or Galactica....or some weird horrible monster hybrid of them both! :eek:

Briangate78
November 25th, 2008, 09:46 PM
I will just be squezzing the life out of my cat as I hug it in despair to death. :(
But no...Universe is either going to be Babylon 5...or Galactica....or some weird horrible monster hybrid of them both! :eek:

I get nervous when the producers have to step up and say "IT IS NOT STARGATE 90210" That usually means it is, lol.

Col.Foley
November 25th, 2008, 09:52 PM
I get nervous when the producers have to step up and say "IT IS NOT STARGATE 90210" That usually means it is, lol.
Oh....you do have a point.
Still though. I am looking forward to it if they can pull it off. Which let us be honest, as good as I think this writing team has been at times, this is a pretty ambitious undertaking for even the greatest of writers...what they are trying to do any way. They may not succeed.

Reiko
November 25th, 2008, 09:56 PM
I'm not bashing. I'm just critical of what SGA has become. It's been warped into something that it's not. Some people may like what iti s now. I don't.

ed263
November 25th, 2008, 10:01 PM
That's good. I'm still ticked off and feel betrayed by the producers, but if SGU is great then I'll eventually get over SGA. If SGU is horrible and unwatchable, they will have to escort me out of here in a straight jacket kicking and screaming. :p

If I my ask, and please do not be upset with me, but I am really curious...
I believe you when you say you are upset with SGA cancellation, so I am wondering then why would you continue to give your business (in this case you viewership) to the new show?

Major V1125
November 25th, 2008, 10:04 PM
ehhh isnt it obvious that people do take things a tad too seriously? especially their TV shows....XD

Jack_Bauer
November 25th, 2008, 10:19 PM
You can call me 'too serious' if you want, but answer me these questions:

What is the main plot of SGA?

Who is the main villain of SGA?

Do you enjoy rehashed storylines and recycled races?

hedwig
November 25th, 2008, 10:30 PM
So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

Yes, I think many viewers are too serious and take the episodes too seriously instead of as the science fiction stories they are. And while you may be watching TV perfectly the right way for you, you'll find dozens (hundreds?) of people who think you aren't taking it seriously enough because if you were then you'd be seeing everything they see. I pretty much watch it for the entertainment of the episode and notice things I like and don't like, but it doesn't make or break an episode for me. I like the characters and think some of the episodes could have been better done a different way, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying them and even watching them again (and sometimes again:o) at a later time. So, a shorter answer would have been ... yes, some viewers take it too seriously, and yes and no to whether you are watching it correctly. Totally muddled it up now, did I? Heh, heh ... I'm good at that. Just enjoy it for what it is.:p:D

Col.Ads
November 26th, 2008, 01:31 AM
I agree with you. It's sort of strange to see all these people who devote their time to Stargate talking about how much they hate what's happening in the episodes. I tend to laugh at plot-holes and such instead of getting mad about them.

I must admit, I do love Keller-bashing, though. :)


Keller is lovely!

Depends on the plot hole, small ones not too bothered about but big ones are just anoiying and make the fans out to be silly, as we are just expected to go along with them

airrick
November 26th, 2008, 04:06 AM
Look @ TV from years ago..

Writers could create shows with lots of explosions, crazy techno babble and some lights on cardboard and the viewers were totally enveloped.. didnt doubt it one bit..

The problem is.. the average viewer is smarter now..

Access to information, the internet, generally as viewers we expect more.. we expect the writers to pay attention to plot holes, write believable characters and keep us interested..

As a viewer I dont want to feel as if my intelligence is insulted or that I see something on TV that editing missed..

You might say.. "But its a TV show you are watching for free.. its not a movie or a DVD".. yes thats true in some regard, however the advertisers and the TV execs want the shows to keep people watching and do well.. that keeps the money flowing in and keeps our favorite shows on the air..

bottom line.. even if I dont like an arc, even if I dont like the way someone is killed off.. I just want to believe what I am watching and that it falls in line with the foundation the writers have worked hard to build.. once they remove a brick or forget about something that happened last season.. it ruins that and makes me not want to watch..

thats the golden ticket.. keep us watching and dont insult our intelligence.. this isnt the 50s anymore.. a rubber mask and flashing ray guns just doesnt work

ToasterOnFire
November 26th, 2008, 07:09 AM
Posting this before locked:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/smart_p3anut/hamster_wheel.gif

Fans complaining about complaining fans, round and round and round we go!

Briangate78
November 26th, 2008, 07:28 AM
You can call me 'too serious' if you want, but answer me these questions:

What is the main plot of SGA?

Who is the main villain of SGA?

Do you enjoy rehashed storylines and recycled races?

What is the main plot of SGA?

Protecting the Pegasus galaxy from the Wraith, and exploring the rest of the galaxy for new allies, races, and technology

Who is the main villain of SGA?

The Wraith still, wait till the next ep. Something is brewing!

Do you enjoy rehashed storylines and recycled races?

Rehashed and recycled plots.... um yeah...um ok. In the SCI FI universe what show has not used a used story from a science fiction show. It all depends how the show executes it. For an example Atlantis used time travel and different time lines in "The Last Man". Yes, time travel and different time-lines have been done to death in the Science Fiction world, however it was executed very well and it was unique to Atlantis and it's characters, imo, and the opinion of a lot of other folks

Briangate78
November 26th, 2008, 07:32 AM
If I my ask, and please do not be upset with me, but I am really curious...
I believe you when you say you are upset with SGA cancellation, so I am wondering then why would you continue to give your business (in this case you viewership) to the new show?

If SGU is crap, then I will stop watching it. I am still going to buy and support the SG-1 and SGA movies.

I won't be too vocal about SGU on the forums if I hate it. See, I despise Ghost Plumbers, but I don't go on their forums bashing and hoping the show gets cancelled, that is just rude, imo.

magictrick
November 26th, 2008, 08:29 AM
Now don't get me wrong, I'll admit that SGA has had a few stinker episodes but are the viewers becoming to serious when it comes to watching SGA? I have enjoyed just about every episode of Stargate there is and it's because when I watch Stargate, I throw reality out the window and dive right into the Sci-Fi that is Stargate. Doing this allows me to take in everything that's given to me on the big screen and appreciate SGA so much more. It seems to me, however, that some people are looking for an excuse to bash SGA and in doing so, they miss out on the Stargate experience.

So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

The Stargate experience for me pretty much ended in Season 3. I mean, they don't even use the Stargate anymore. Plus of course the obvious poor writing and the terrible choices with regards to some characters.

I don't look for reasons to bash it, these are the reasons. The Stargate experience as you've called it differs from person to person. Maybe you're still enjoying it, and that's great, but for me it just doesn't cut it anymore. I can't say I hate it, because I do still watch, but the original Stargate experience is just gone.

On a totally unrelated note, I really enjoyed the latest episode, Brain Storm.

Briangate78
November 26th, 2008, 08:47 AM
The Stargate experience for me pretty much ended in Season 3. I mean, they don't even use the Stargate anymore. Plus of course the obvious poor writing and the terrible choices with regards to some characters.






Are you serious? Have you even watched this season?

Replicator Fifth
November 26th, 2008, 08:53 AM
I too agree. As you, I have see many rude, bashing, and just mean comments posted not only about episodes of SGA but on a few occassions about the person posting their opinion. It is truly scarey sometimes.
SGA is a TV show that entertains me, flaws and all. I have not missed a single episode of either SG-1 or SGA and I have enjoyed all of them, some more than others, but I would not have missed them for the world. :)

like on the anti- whatever character threads or anti- random character pairings.

First let me establish the following: If and Atlantis episode has a lot of scenes with Chuck the Technician in it its a good episode. ALL SG-1 episodes are great. but honestly Atlantis seems creatively bankrupt. except when Joe Flanagan Writes an episode or some other writer. Now my opinion on this topic: just because we state our opinions doesn't mean we are too serious. I speak for my self here, obviously, I am honest when I say I don't think an episode was very well written and just because you follow it loyally and feel that anyone who criticizes an episode they are too serous all of a sudden.

Gate Rider
November 26th, 2008, 09:37 AM
Are the veiwers to serious?

Indeed.:tealc:

amconway
November 26th, 2008, 10:33 AM
It seems to me that threads are only shut down when the discussion becomes disrespectful-to the shoe creators, the actors, or to other posters. I doubt this discussion will be locked unless it goes there.

I don't tend to get worked up about individual episodes, although I do get bothered by overall tone. For example, when I saw SGA going in a way that was disappointing (season 2 or 3), I voiced my displeasure, than confined my Stargate watching to SG-1. At that point I didn't feel the need to address it again until they said that they were retooling the show for season five. Then I revisited it, because I had hopes. Those hopes were partly realized and partly disappointed. With the cancellation, it all became fairly moot. There's no point in worrying about the direction of a show that has been cancelled.

While I'm not feeling really hopeful about SGU (the audition sides were pretty scary), and the initial announcements were offputting beyond belief, I'm not going to get too worked up about it. I have ten seasons of SG-1 on DVD, two movies, and probably more. That's not too bad, really. :)

The Prophet
November 26th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Stargate is serious business.

Falcon Horus
November 26th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Too serious, are you kidding me?

People have different reasons why they watch a show, any show. Favorite characters, favorite actors/actresses, loving big explosions and/or lots of CGI, scifi, romance, action/adventure, and so on and so on.

I think what I look for in a show the most is intelligent and well-written plots, quality of the stories and the characters, and I want my CG to look as realisticly as possible (when you no longer can distinguish real images from fakes).

I have very high standards when it comes to quality TV shows and films, and I know that. The latest seasons of Stargate are far below par for me, and yet I keep watching because I am currently only watching because of Teyla Emmagan. And if I want to speak evil of this show, I can ... free of speech and all.

Also, this thread will end in tears...

magictrick
November 26th, 2008, 12:06 PM
Are you serious? Have you even watched this season?

Yes I have.

I didn't mean they never use the Stargate, but definitely not as much as before.

Lythisrose
November 26th, 2008, 12:43 PM
If people are passionate and serious about a favorite TV show here on the forums, (I see it kind of like being intensely interested in a hobby or sport), but still go on to lead a productive life (whatever the heck that means), I see nothing wrong with it. :)

Briangate78
November 26th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Yes I have.

I didn't mean they never use the Stargate, but definitely not as much as before.

Ok because at least two eps I can recall this season, had the stargate cause a major turning point in the episode plot. That is why I was wondering.

Alteran of Atlantis
November 26th, 2008, 12:47 PM
First off, let me apologize if there's a similar thread out there. The search function only gives me the forum homepage, so my chances of finding such a thread are low.

Secondly, I've been cruising around the forums for the past few months reading about what people have to say about the current SGA episodes and I'm finding a lot of negativity. People keep bashing episodes by saying that, "The CGI is horrible," or that, "the writers suck," and even, "*insert character's name here* would never do or say that!"

Lets take "Remnants" for example. People have said that the episode resembled Star Wars too much with Sheppard losing his hand and Koyla looking down on him from the cliff's edge and that the whole "Sheppard Story Line" would never have happened because he knows Koyla is dead and that the Genii could never know where Atlantis is. (This is not the only episode--just one I can easily remember).

Now don't get me wrong, I'll admit that SGA has had a few stinker episodes but are the viewers becoming to serious when it comes to watching SGA? I have enjoyed just about every episode of Stargate there is and it's because when I watch Stargate, I throw reality out the window and dive right into the Sci-Fi that is Stargate. Doing this allows me to take in everything that's given to me on the big screen and appreciate SGA so much more. It seems to me, however, that some people are looking for an excuse to bash SGA and in doing so, they miss out on the Stargate experience.

So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

Let me think....YES!!!!!

Greenfire32
November 26th, 2008, 04:00 PM
And if I want to speak evil of this show, I can ... free of speech and all.

No one is telling you what to think or say. Speak evil if you must. You have the freedom of speech and I respect that. All I want to know is are some of us taking it too far with the "hate" or is the show really getting "that bad?"

ponycake
November 26th, 2008, 05:58 PM
This is just two groups of fans with different definitions of what 'fan' and 'fanspace' should entail. Sometimes we just want to see our own outlook of things reflected back at ourselves, but unfortunately we're going to come up against people who are in a different headspace.

If you're happy about something and want to share this and you're coming up against people who hate the very same thing that you're happy about (or vice-versa) it can suck, but that's what happens when you get more than one person in a room.

And do internet fans take tv shows too seriously? Hell, yes, we've all got our obsessive focus going on, but then again look at any sports fan and you're seeing exactly the same behaviour just directed at a different subject.

Erised
November 26th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Funny but imo forums make one obsessed. I was so obsessed with this show when I started going to the forum. Oddly, I never went to forums about other tv shows. And oddly, I seem to like those shows. Whenever I hear a complain about some of them, like House, I go "wtfbbq??" 'cause I'm in love with that show yet people keep saying bad stuff about it. Same with SGA. I am far from loving the show but since I stopped going here, I can tolerate it way better.

Falcon Horus
November 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM
All I want to know is are some of us taking it too far with the "hate" or is the show really getting "that bad?"

If you have to ask that question, it's probably not the case for you, and no matter the answer you probably won't see it the same way or even understand it all.

You mostly ask questions when you don't know something or when something confuses you.

To me, personally, yes the show has gone bad - I love the first three seasons, the fourth and fifth are so not worth it.

Aeyame
November 27th, 2008, 04:02 PM
I think a great deal of the hate going on is people being upset about SGA being canceled.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not everyone wants to hear it. I think it's rude to just come on and start complaining about how it's all gone wrong. The people should just put a simple little warning that they're post has negative themes about the episode. That way those of us have the opportunity to ignore them and move on and others that feel the same can read it. This is a fanforum and praise is typically expected so a little warning on the 'bashing' would be greatly appreciated, at least on my part.

Briangate78
November 27th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I think a great deal of the hate going on is people being upset about SGA being canceled.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not everyone wants to hear it. I think it's rude to just come on and start complaining about how it's all gone wrong. The people should just put a simple little warning that they're post has negative themes about the episode. That way those of us have the opportunity to ignore them and move on and others that feel the same can read it. This is a fanforum and praise is typically expected so a little warning on the 'bashing' would be greatly appreciated, at least on my part.

Complaining about an episode or season and it's aspects that went wrong is totally different than coming on here to only bash the show and it's cast and crew and to say how much you are glad it's being cancelled.

ed263
November 27th, 2008, 09:00 PM
I think a great deal of the hate going on is people being upset about SGA being canceled.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not everyone wants to hear it. I think it's rude to just come on and start complaining about how it's all gone wrong. The people should just put a simple little warning that they're post has negative themes about the episode. That way those of us have the opportunity to ignore them and move on and others that feel the same can read it. This is a fanforum and praise is typically expected so a little warning on the 'bashing' would be greatly appreciated, at least on my part.

I like that idea. Maybe a thumbs up or thumbs down? I was posting at Hey!Nielsen before the beta site went down and part of the member response included a rating scale of the opinion.

fumblesmcstupid
November 28th, 2008, 02:08 AM
Atlantis has maybe 10 characters and it is unrealistic to think that every one is going to like them all.

It's also fine not liking certain aspects of the show, no matter if you watch every week or just once in a while. For those that only watch once in a while, maybe the things they don't like ARE what is keeping them from watching every week!

I like reading the good and bad things people have to say. It's nice knowing that the same thing that I like or don't like other people do too.

Col.Ads
November 28th, 2008, 02:16 AM
Atlantis has maybe 10 characters and it is unrealistic to think that every one is going to like them all.

It's also fine not liking certain aspects of the show, no matter if you watch every week or just once in a while. For those that only watch once in a while, maybe the things they don't like ARE what is keeping them from watching every week!

I like reading the good and bad things people have to say. It's nice knowing that the same thing that I like or don't like other people do too.


Main Cast

Sheppard
McKay
Woosley
Ronan
Teyla
Dr.Keller

Supporting

Zelenka
Dr.Beckett
Lorne
Banks
Chuck


One thing thats always puzzled me is why not bring back Cadman more she added something dynamic of the show when she was in it, Also killing off Dr Heighmayer was an odd one.

I think they have tended to bring in too many new faces which are never seen again Dr. Porter and Vega are to prime examples of this much hype and fans get let down.

5 supporting characters ive mentioned do get a fair amount of screen time at present, although really from a millitary point of view Lorne should be in it more.

I really dont think Ronan is used well this season seems like he is just hanging around from time to time. same with teyla she doesnt she is not the strong character she once was

Briangate78
November 28th, 2008, 08:36 AM
Atlantis has maybe 10 characters and it is unrealistic to think that every one is going to like them all.

It's also fine not liking certain aspects of the show, no matter if you watch every week or just once in a while. For those that only watch once in a while, maybe the things they don't like ARE what is keeping them from watching every week!

I like reading the good and bad things people have to say. It's nice knowing that the same thing that I like or don't like other people do too.

I think Replacing Carson with Keller was a bad move. I also wish Weir was still around, I would of accepted a recurring role like Carson this season. I think Woolsey was an excellent choice and he is awesome!

Cautious Explorer
November 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM
I think a great deal of the hate going on is people being upset about SGA being canceled.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not everyone wants to hear it. I think it's rude to just come on and start complaining about how it's all gone wrong. The people should just put a simple little warning that they're post has negative themes about the episode. That way those of us have the opportunity to ignore them and move on and others that feel the same can read it. This is a fanforum and praise is typically expected so a little warning on the 'bashing' would be greatly appreciated, at least on my part.

Hmm.. Interesting idea. Should there also be a warning about gushing praise? How about a mixed opinion, would that require two separate posts with separate warnings? ;)

Pandora's_Box
November 28th, 2008, 08:57 AM
Hmm.. Interesting idea. Should there also be a warning about gushing praise? How about a mixed opinion, would that require two separate posts with separate warnings? ;)

No, no, no. Weren't you paying attention? Praise is expected and allowed. It's the "bashing" (aka accepting that freedom of speech is a two-way street) that's so hard for some people to stomach.

:rolleyes:

Cautious Explorer
November 28th, 2008, 09:00 AM
No, no, no. Weren't you paying attention? Praise is expected and allowed. It's the "bashing" (aka accepting that freedom of speech is a two-way street) that's so hard for some people to stomach.

:rolleyes:

Oops. My mistake. Maybe it shoud be warnings depending on degree of dislike?

Warning: faint praise only.
Warning: equal parts like and dislike
Warning: spewing evil hate

Pandora's_Box
November 28th, 2008, 09:02 AM
Oops. My mistake. Maybe it shoud be warnings depending on degree of dislike?

Warning: faint praise only.
Warning: equal parts like and dislike
Warning: spewing evil hate

You forgot...

Warning: sarcasm and mockery

That one'll get used a lot.

kymeric
November 28th, 2008, 09:11 AM
First off, let me apologize if there's a similar thread out there. The search function only gives me the forum homepage, so my chances of finding such a thread are low.

Secondly, I've been cruising around the forums for the past few months reading about what people have to say about the current SGA episodes and I'm finding a lot of negativity. People keep bashing episodes by saying that, "The CGI is horrible," or that, "the writers suck," and even, "*insert character's name here* would never do or say that!"

Lets take "Remnants" for example. People have said that the episode resembled Star Wars too much with Sheppard losing his hand and Koyla looking down on him from the cliff's edge and that the whole "Sheppard Story Line" would never have happened because he knows Koyla is dead and that the Genii could never know where Atlantis is. (This is not the only episode--just one I can easily remember).

Now don't get me wrong, I'll admit that SGA has had a few stinker episodes but are the viewers becoming to serious when it comes to watching SGA? I have enjoyed just about every episode of Stargate there is and it's because when I watch Stargate, I throw reality out the window and dive right into the Sci-Fi that is Stargate. Doing this allows me to take in everything that's given to me on the big screen and appreciate SGA so much more. It seems to me, however, that some people are looking for an excuse to bash SGA and in doing so, they miss out on the Stargate experience.

So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

When a show is around more than several years the fans start to get psychotic. They its like somewhere before a decade passes the show becomes *theirs* and anything done to the characters is being done to them and is a personal attack. Its what killed trek and made the starwars prequils suck. Just look at the reaction to the clone wars movie last summer.

Basically the only way around it is to generate new fans who havent lost their minds yet. Hopefully Universe will accomplish this. God help the kid who sees stargate for the first time and does a search on the internet all full of exictement and optimism. Dive into a fringe thats basically screaming everything sucks and anyone who disagrees should catch cancer.

Fans act bizarre and thus isolate themselves. You cant please them so you cant change your product to their wishes, youll just get burned. The only hope is to do a new product and hope the new fans + the holdovers from the franchise label = enough ratings.

Edited to say WHY SO SERIOUS ><

ed263
November 28th, 2008, 09:13 AM
You forgot...

Warning: sarcasm and mockery

That one'll get used a lot.

So true! It appears that this is second to the bashing.

amconway
November 28th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Personally, I think that the problem is not that there is criticism, but that so many people are astonishingly rude. A lot of it is unthinking 'I'm right, you're wrong--here's my view and I'm going to repeat it over and over until you cave.' That kind of thing could easily be expressed in a more civil way, and then left alone once the point has been made. There's no need to bludgeon people.
But that's not the worst of it, the worst of it is people who know that they are saying something that will really bug the person they are responding to and say it in as inflamatory a way as possible-Then put a wink icon next to it...
Disagreeing is not a problem. A failure to speak respectfully to other posters, or about the people involved the the show is a problem.

Briangate78
November 28th, 2008, 09:21 AM
Personally, I think that the problem is not that there is criticism, but that so many people are astonishingly rude. A lot of it is unthinking 'I'm right, you're wrong--here's my view and I'm going to repeat it over and over until you cave.' That kind of thing could easily be expressed in a more civil way, and then left alone once the point has been made. There's no need to bludgeon people.
But that's not the worst of it, the worst of it is people who know that they are saying something that will really bug the person they are responding to and say it in as inflamatory a way as possible-Then put a wink icon next to it...
Disagreeing is not a problem. A failure to speak respectfully to other posters, or about the people involved the the show is a problem.

I have no issues if people hate this show. I do have a problem with people posting misfacts and are trying to make their opinion set out to be a fact. That really ticks me off.

amconway
November 28th, 2008, 09:46 AM
I have no issues if people hate this show. I do have a problem with people posting misfacts and are trying to make their opinion set out to be a fact. That really ticks me off.
What is 'fact' can be fairly subjective unless one is talking about canon events. Again, I would say that the problem is not so much what they say, as how they say it-and how we respond to them. Especially when we are ticked off. I'm not excluding myself from this. I'm sure that I have been guilty of responding in an immoderate manner on occasion-and I know that I've said things that I thought were humorous without being careful enough about how they could be perceived, only to find that I'd given offense.

Falcon Horus
November 28th, 2008, 10:19 AM
Oops. My mistake. Maybe it shoud be warnings depending on degree of dislike?

Warning: faint praise only.
Warning: equal parts like and dislike
Warning: spewing evil hate


You forgot...

Warning: sarcasm and mockery

That one'll get used a lot.

Do they come with cool smileys? Or maybe little signs?

Pandora's_Box
November 28th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Do they come with cool smileys? Or maybe little signs?

Can I get a sign that reads...

Warning: canon optional

??

Falcon Horus
November 28th, 2008, 02:29 PM
Can I get a sign that reads...

Warning: canon optional

??

I think I'll just have a "Where's Teyla?" one.

magictrick
November 28th, 2008, 02:44 PM
I think Replacing Carson with Keller was a bad move. I also wish Weir was still around, I would of accepted a recurring role like Carson this season. I think Woolsey was an excellent choice and he is awesome!

I was also pleasantly surprised by how they introduced and developed Woolsey's character. One of the few upsides over the last couple seasons.

Briangate78
November 29th, 2008, 02:07 PM
I was also pleasantly surprised by how they introduced and developed Woolsey's character. One of the few upsides over the last couple seasons.

I had a feeling Woolsey was going to be good. There was a lot of room for development with his character. The writers did very well, imo. I honestly feel he went from an unliked character to a very likeable character. As much as I love Carter, I think Season 4 would of been even better with Woolsey as commander.

prion
November 29th, 2008, 03:04 PM
First off, let me apologize if there's a similar thread out there. The search function only gives me the forum homepage, so my chances of finding such a thread are low.

Secondly, I've been cruising around the forums for the past few months reading about what people have to say about the current SGA episodes and I'm finding a lot of negativity. People keep bashing episodes by saying that, "The CGI is horrible," or that, "the writers suck," and even, "*insert character's name here* would never do or say that!"

Lets take "Remnants" for example. People have said that the episode resembled Star Wars too much with Sheppard losing his hand and Koyla looking down on him from the cliff's edge and that the whole "Sheppard Story Line" would never have happened because he knows Koyla is dead and that the Genii could never know where Atlantis is. (This is not the only episode--just one I can easily remember).

Now don't get me wrong, I'll admit that SGA has had a few stinker episodes but are the viewers becoming to serious when it comes to watching SGA? I have enjoyed just about every episode of Stargate there is and it's because when I watch Stargate, I throw reality out the window and dive right into the Sci-Fi that is Stargate. Doing this allows me to take in everything that's given to me on the big screen and appreciate SGA so much more. It seems to me, however, that some people are looking for an excuse to bash SGA and in doing so, they miss out on the Stargate experience.

So, are the viewers too serious, or am I just not watching T.V. the right way anymore?

wow, i'm not in the right places, as I have yet to see any SW references and until you pointed it out in this thread I didn't even THINK "Star Wars." Honestly, I thought more of Africa and rebels hacking up innocent people with machetes. Guess it's what you read.

My only quibble with the amputation is the total lack of realism in bleeding. Neat little white bandage? Nope, not happening.

magictrick
November 30th, 2008, 10:42 AM
I had a feeling Woolsey was going to be good. There was a lot of room for development with his character. The writers did very well, imo. I honestly feel he went from an unliked character to a very likeable character. As much as I love Carter, I think Season 4 would of been even better with Woolsey as commander.

I think so too. They didn't utilize Carter at all. Pretty much just had her there for the sake of having someone as commander.

Briangate78
November 30th, 2008, 10:51 AM
I think so too. They didn't utilize Carter at all. Pretty much just had her there for the sake of having someone as commander.

Woolsey is getting a lot of focus, and the eps he is not needed in he is not in.

Ncc-72452
November 30th, 2008, 11:45 AM
I think Replacing Carson with Keller was a bad move. I also wish Weir was still around, I would of accepted a recurring role like Carson this season. I think Woolsey was an excellent choice and he is awesome!

*stands and cheers*

Dude. I tried to green you, but couldn't. I can't express my agreement more! Well, I might change "accepted a recurring role" to "wished for a recurring role."


I had a feeling Woolsey was going to be good. There was a lot of room for development with his character. The writers did very well, imo. I honestly feel he went from an unliked character to a very likeable character. As much as I love Carter, I think Season 4 would of been even better with Woolsey as commander.

Be careful. I remember you got redded once for expressing something similar!

Back on topic, I agree with some of the sentiments that we're on an online forum. This is the place where the big-time fans, those that think about the show when it's not on and want to go talk about it, come. Of course you're going to encounter the "serious" fan. If they weren't serious about it, they'd be engaged in other activities. How droll.

I, for one, will praise something that I really like, but I will also voice my discontent over directions, cast changes, and other aspects of the show that I disagree with. I kinda don't think that that should be a problem. Isn't that the point of a forum? Where all sides of an issue can be freely explored and discussed?

That being said, I think that people's opinions and statements should be polite and respectful. Also, since we're using the written form, it's important to give people the benefit of the doubt when they're expressing themselves and be slow to get angry about something said. Misunderstanding is very easy because vocal tones, facial expressions, and body language are lost. Additionally, some people are not very good at expressing themselves through writing. Patience, and a willingness to offer an apology for misunderstandings should not be rarities.

Reiko
November 30th, 2008, 04:45 PM
I don't think being on an online forum makes a difference for how I feel negatively about a show, or at least for me. I'll admit SGA was and still is the only show I've ever been active on an online forum with. If I never came here, I still doubt I would be able to be 'fine' with the S4 changes and be fine with the crappy show direction. I've hated ways several shows have gone and been critically annoyed by it withoput being on an online forum.

I first joined GW when I watched the s1-s3s in a blast in time for s4 but was pissed off at the changes and was lucky enough to find people I can complain with. :D

Jill_Ion
November 30th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Personally, I think that the problem is not that there is criticism, but that so many people are astonishingly rude. A lot of it is unthinking 'I'm right, you're wrong--here's my view and I'm going to repeat it over and over until you cave.' That kind of thing could easily be expressed in a more civil way, and then left alone once the point has been made. There's no need to bludgeon people.
But that's not the worst of it, the worst of it is people who know that they are saying something that will really bug the person they are responding to and say it in as inflamatory a way as possible-Then put a wink icon next to it...
Disagreeing is not a problem. A failure to speak respectfully to other posters, or about the people involved the the show is a problem.

I agree. :indeed:

It is not easy to express one's feelings accurately in a written form, but it is possible to express those feelings with respect and politeness. The only comments that I disagree with that I will bother reading are ones that state their opinions intelligently or funnily, but most of all, respectfully. I endeavor to do the same.

Briangate78
November 30th, 2008, 08:25 PM
*stands and cheers*

Dude. I tried to green you, but couldn't. I can't express my agreement more! Well, I might change "accepted a recurring role" to "wished for a recurring role."



Be careful. I remember you got redded once for expressing something similar!

Back on topic, I agree with some of the sentiments that we're on an online forum. This is the place where the big-time fans, those that think about the show when it's not on and want to go talk about it, come. Of course you're going to encounter the "serious" fan. If they weren't serious about it, they'd be engaged in other activities. How droll.

I, for one, will praise something that I really like, but I will also voice my discontent over directions, cast changes, and other aspects of the show that I disagree with. I kinda don't think that that should be a problem. Isn't that the point of a forum? Where all sides of an issue can be freely explored and discussed?

That being said, I think that people's opinions and statements should be polite and respectful. Also, since we're using the written form, it's important to give people the benefit of the doubt when they're expressing themselves and be slow to get angry about something said. Misunderstanding is very easy because vocal tones, facial expressions, and body language are lost. Additionally, some people are not very good at expressing themselves through writing. Patience, and a willingness to offer an apology for misunderstandings should not be rarities.

I have had people green me and insult me in the comment, lol. So yeah, I have seen stranger things, lol.

I agree, people should be more respectful of other's opinions, and if someone for an example makes a misfact, just question it, not call them ignorant , stupid, lacking intelligence, or anything else that is offensive or rude.

Jill_Ion
November 30th, 2008, 08:31 PM
I have had people green me and insult me in the comment, lol. So yeah, I have seen stranger things, lol.

I agree, people should be more respectful of other's opinions, and if someone for an example makes a misfact, just question it, not call them ignorant , stupid, lacking intelligence, or anything else that is offensive or rude.

You have a point, Briangate. Sometimes we fans are just mistaken. Perhaps we misunderstood what a character said, or we read some "fact" on the Internet that isn't right. If I believe it's right and say so, then I would prefer to get a gentle correction with a link to the correct info, rather than being called a dumbass for daring not to have the entire SG canon memorized or bookmarked.

Briangate78
November 30th, 2008, 08:45 PM
You have a point, Briangate. Sometimes we fans are just mistaken. Perhaps we misunderstood what a character said, or we read some "fact" on the Internet that isn't right. If I believe it's right and say so, then I would prefer to get a gentle correction with a link to the correct info, rather than being called a dumbass for daring not to have the entire SG canon memorized or bookmarked.

There are also people from different regions of the U.S. along with people from different countries. So someone may mean something totally different.

Jill_Ion
November 30th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Exactly. It's an international fandom.

Briangate78
November 30th, 2008, 09:18 PM
Exactly. It's an international fandom.

If you ever come to NY, you'll know what I mean. ;) :p

jelgate
November 30th, 2008, 09:21 PM
If you ever come to NY, you'll know what I mean. ;) :pWe never had that protest outside the The Today Show you promisied us:P

Briangate78
November 30th, 2008, 09:23 PM
We never had that protest outside the The Today Show you promisied us:P

If SCI FI cancelled SGA I would do it. ;)

Greenfire32
December 1st, 2008, 03:51 PM
wow, i'm not in the right places, as I have yet to see any SW references and until you pointed it out in this thread I didn't even THINK "Star Wars." Honestly, I thought more of Africa and rebels hacking up innocent people with machetes. Guess it's what you read.

Me too. Not a single thought about Star Wars crossed my mind when I watched this (nor did Africa and rebels and machetes for that matter:p) until after I came to the forums--then I made the connection. No, the only thing I was thinking was "Oh my god..."


My only quibble with the amputation is the total lack of realism in bleeding. Neat little white bandage? Nope, not happening.

I'm not saying that this is an unnecessary criticism (because we all know that they could've done a little better with the hand) but I think if more of us, the fans, could suspend our views of reality while we watch the show, more of us could enjoy it for what its worth. Instead of watching it as a fan, watch it as if you're there.

Greenfire32
December 1st, 2008, 03:53 PM
If SCI FI cancelled SGA I would do it. ;)

wait a second...;)

amconway
December 1st, 2008, 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by prion
My only quibble with the amputation is the total lack of realism in bleeding. Neat little white bandage? Nope, not happening.

That was a Clue (with a capital C ; ), as was the lack real damage the Sheppard's face, and his ability to function after such an injury. The comment about Rodney being brilliant was, as well-I'm sure there were others...

Greenfire32
December 1st, 2008, 04:00 PM
That was a Clue (with a capital C ; ), as was the lack real damage the Sheppard's face, and his ability to function after such an injury. The comment about Rodney being brilliant was, as well-I'm sure there were others...

Even though I missed it during the episode, looking back on it now makes me think more toward what you're saying. It wasn't bad writing or whatever excuse someone out there might come up with, but a clue. A clue to the viewers that "the objects in the mirror are closer than they seem"--meaning that things are not as they appear.

amconway
December 1st, 2008, 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amconway
That was a Clue (with a capital C ; ), as was the lack real damage the Sheppard's face, and his ability to function after such an injury. The comment about Rodney being brilliant was, as well-I'm sure there were others...


Even though I missed it during the episode, looking back on it now makes me think more toward what you're saying. It wasn't bad writing or whatever excuse someone out there might come up with, but a clue. A clue to the viewers that "the objects in the mirror are closer than they seem"--meaning that things are not as they appear.
__________________

I didn't pick up on the reason for it until we saw that minds were being messed with. I also thought that Kolya's weirdly philosophical dialogue was a big clue in retrospect.

Mongoletsi
December 1st, 2008, 04:15 PM
After seeing (yet another) Star Trek ships vs Stargate ships thread, 30 pages long. I have formed a conclusion to the question this thread initially posed :D

Ncc-72452
December 1st, 2008, 05:32 PM
After seeing (yet another) Star Trek ships vs Stargate ships thread, 30 pages long. I have formed a conclusion to the question this thread initially posed :D

Shyeah!

That SO should have been decided in like half a page. There's just no contest.

Star Trek all the way!

ed263
December 1st, 2008, 07:21 PM
If SCI FI cancelled SGA I would do it. ;)

I just received a reply to an email I sent to MGM way back on Nov 3 expressing my disappointment in SGA cancellation. This was their reply:
" Thank you for your email. We too were upset with the decision to end Stargate Atlantis, but it is out of our hands. Thank you for your comments."

Also, when I was posting on Hey!Nielsen before that Beta site went down, I had email a question to them and part of their reply:
"On a personal note, to my understanding, SGA was not cancelled by MGM,
it was cancelled by Sci-Fi, just like SG-1. In fact, MGM would be happy
if someone else picked up any of the franchises. At least, that's how I
heard it.
Thank you,
Eric
Hey! Nielsen Support"

So when do we tune in to see your smiling face? ;)

Briangate78
December 1st, 2008, 07:48 PM
I just received a reply to an email I sent to MGM way back on Nov 3 expressing my disappointment in SGA cancellation. This was their reply:
" Thank you for your email. We too were upset with the decision to end Stargate Atlantis, but it is out of our hands. Thank you for your comments."

Also, when I was posting on Hey!Nielsen before that Beta site went down, I had email a question to them and part of their reply:
"On a personal note, to my understanding, SGA was not cancelled by MGM,
it was cancelled by Sci-Fi, just like SG-1. In fact, MGM would be happy
if someone else picked up any of the franchises. At least, that's how I
heard it.
Thank you,
Eric
Hey! Nielsen Support"

So when do we tune in to see your smiling face? ;)

Well I work for the network, shhh don't tell anyone. :p We were asked to direct all campaigns to MGM since it was their call to move on with SGU. We were even asked to remove all contact info for the SCI FI execs. THEY, would of renewed the show in a heartbeat, but came with a mutual decision to let MGM move on with SGU. They also would of likely aired two shows again, it was the producers that really wanted to avoid that. Also, there was no Save SGA campaign and the producers and MGM did not try to shop it around to other networks, why? Because they ended it, and it was their creative decision.

People say, well it worked for SG-1 and SGA, why not SGA and SGU? Well there were no Movies that were on MGM's mind back then. Those SG-1 movies were a HUGH success, so things have changed!

ed263
December 1st, 2008, 07:59 PM
Well I work for the network, shhh don't tell anyone. :p We were asked to direct all campaigns to MGM since it was their call to move on with SGU. We were even asked to remove all contact info for the SCI FI execs. THEY, would of renewed the show in a heartbeat, but came with a mutual decision to let MGM move on with SGU. They also would of likely aired two shows again, it was the producers that really wanted to avoid that. Also, there was no Save SGA campaign and the producers and MGM did not try to shop it around to other networks, why? Because they ended it, and it was their creative decision.

People say, well it worked for SG-1 and SGA, why not SGA and SGU? Well there were no Movies that are on MGM's mind. Those SG-1 movies were a HUGH success!

LOL!!
Yep, it truly is an enigma, wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in something fishy!

Briangate78
December 1st, 2008, 08:17 PM
LOL!!
Yep, it truly is an enigma, wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in something fishy!

Yeah, I try and will continue to put the blame on MGM, there is just too much evidence pointing to them. SCI FI could of said no, but where would that leave them? Their plan was to keep a Stargate active. Whether it was SGA or SGU.

Funny how all this went down, I read Mark Stern's comment when SGA was renewed for a 5th Season. He said that SGA is showing signs of matching it's siblings longevity. I guess that did not pan out too well for SGA? :p Unless he meant Longevity on SCI FI then he was right on the money. 5 years! ;)

Greenfire32
December 2nd, 2008, 08:57 PM
Yeah, I try and will continue to put the blame on MGM, there is just too much evidence pointing to them.;)

Bad MGM, bad! Go stand in the cor-NO, GO STAND IN THE CORNER! :p

GateofDOOM
December 3rd, 2008, 01:57 AM
Warning: Sarcastic, Malicious, Evil, Vindictive, Insulting, Condescending and all around Belligerent post!!!!


Sorry, couldn't resist. :P


As for SGA, well, It's hard to take something seriously that I haven't bothered to watch very much of this year. It's just not entertaining me anymore I'm sorry to say.

ed263
December 3rd, 2008, 05:08 PM
Warning: Sarcastic, Malicious, Evil, Vindictive, Insulting, Condescending and all around Belligerent post!!!!

Thanks for the warning! ;)

And darn you! I could not resist and clicked on the spoiler button :P