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neiana
November 12th, 2008, 12:39 AM
In Stargate SG-1, Cor-Ai was Episode #15 (my apologies if this is not a "Teal'c Clip Show", I may have forgotten. It's been awhile)
In Stargate Atlantis, Letters from Pegasus was Episode #17

I'm going to go out on a really tiny limb, produced by a tree that is not known for its strength, and say the pilot episode of Stargate Universe will be a clip show...then the first season will fill in the necessary details. The pilot will be like a "commercial" for the whole season, and as such will have all "the best" scenes & dialogue.

It will not be necessary to watch anything after that. ;)

AvatarIII
November 12th, 2008, 01:38 AM
In Stargate SG-1, Cor-Ai was Episode #15 (my apologies if this is not a "Teal'c Clip Show", I may have forgotten. It's been awhile)
In Stargate Atlantis, Letters from Pegasus was Episode #17

I'm going to go out on a really tiny limb, produced by a tree that is not known for its strength, and say the pilot episode of Stargate Universe will be a clip show...then the first season will fill in the necessary details. The pilot will be like a "commercial" for the whole season, and as such will have all "the best" scenes & dialogue.

It will not be necessary to watch anything after that. ;)

cor'ai was not the clip show, i think it had a couple of clips but not as a major part of the episode, politics was the "clip show".

escyos
November 12th, 2008, 02:17 AM
i dont really see why people should care...
would you prefer a stand alone episode that makes no sense what-so-ever.
politics, while not my favourite episode, was made for a reason, it was a way for the producers to 'shut down' the gate so SG-1 could be more heroic in saving the world.

clip shows help to explain things in some episodes, without it you would have first time viewers finding it hard to follow, and therefore not watching the show, WHICH IS WHY STARGATE KEEPS FAILING!
im not saying clip shows by themselves save seasons or that all episodes are perfectly written but put yourself in the writers shoes, they have to create 20 or so episodes each completely different but still folowing the story arc. so clip shows fill in the space and KEEP THE SHOW GOING!

neiana
November 12th, 2008, 03:56 AM
I personally have quit watching clip shows. If something, say, unique and interesting was done with them, other than what has been done and overdone already (test humanity? oh! look! we did this! in -every- scifi!), then I wouldn't hate them so much.

Just to point out, my fancifully weird thought in the OP is, as far as I know, something that hasn't been done before and could be done, as I said, with the right people involved in the writer's room. That would make it both interesting and new. That said, I again stress it must be in the right hands to work. :P

SpinningChevron
November 12th, 2008, 04:16 AM
This seems like a fun game, I say 15 episodes and the scenario will be hmm... 2 crew members stranded on a planet and one crew member is gravely injured and the other tells him/her not to give up hope by recounting past experiences.

Skydiver
November 12th, 2008, 04:19 AM
does SGU have 13 or 20 episodes?

if they have 13, then there won't be one, but if they have 20, then eps 18 or 19 will be a clip/flashback show.

I'm wondering how soon into the show they'll have the 'alien influence makes the cast 'randy' and the sexual tension runs rife' show.

it seems to be a season one staple for about every scifi show since star trek

jrd231
November 12th, 2008, 04:33 AM
clip shows help to explain things in some episodes, without it you would have first time viewers finding it hard to follow, and therefore not watching the show, WHICH IS WHY STARGATE KEEPS FAILING!


Since when has Stargate failed? If you mean when SG-1 lasted ten years and ten seasons or when Atlantis lasted 5 years and 5 seasons, then yes, Stargate has failed.

Stargate has seen unparalleled success. Even on a cable network they've lasted longer than most major network shows. You wouldn't consider Lost to be a failure, and when it's all said and done, Lost will have less episodes than SGA. SG-1 speaks for itself.

Please, clip shows have absolutely nothing to do with the success or failure of any Stargate show.

curiousmanners
November 12th, 2008, 05:12 AM
Indeed :tealc:

neiana
November 12th, 2008, 07:39 AM
I'm wondering how soon into the show they'll have the 'alien influence makes the cast 'randy' and the sexual tension runs rife' show.

Great question. I'm going to go with.. episode 9. I'm basing this on the premise that sexual tension begins with the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but that the alien influence will just make it much worse.

I'm going to guess SG:U takes the SG-1 way and has Sexified Snake Aliens a-la (but so much more disgustingly) Hathor.

AvatarIII
November 12th, 2008, 08:13 AM
Great question. I'm going to go with.. episode 9. I'm basing this on the premise that sexual tension begins with the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but that the alien influence will just make it much worse.

I'm going to guess SG:U takes the SG-1 way and has Sexified Snake Aliens a-la (but so much more disgustingly) Hathor.

but SG-1's randy season 1 ep was "the broca divide"

ShadowMaat
November 12th, 2008, 05:25 PM
I'm wondering how soon into the show they'll have the 'alien influence makes the cast 'randy' and the sexual tension runs rife' show.
At least by ep 3. ;)

The clips show will probably be the ep before the finale, and given the attention-demanding three-hour premiere I'd guess it's all the more likely to need one by then. And by "need" I mean, "TPTB think their audience is full of dribbling morons who need constant reminders of what's happened."

Of course, given their target demographic... :P j/k

Skydiver
November 12th, 2008, 06:30 PM
more along the line of 'dang, that CGI was more expensive than we thought, let's save a few bucks by using clips

escyos
November 12th, 2008, 08:50 PM
Since when has Stargate failed? If you mean when SG-1 lasted ten years and ten seasons or when Atlantis lasted 5 years and 5 seasons, then yes, Stargate has failed.

Stargate has seen unparalleled success. Even on a cable network they've lasted longer than most major network shows. You wouldn't consider Lost to be a failure, and when it's all said and done, Lost will have less episodes than SGA. SG-1 speaks for itself.

Please, clip shows have absolutely nothing to do with the success or failure of any Stargate show.


I infact did say i do not believe that clip shos do anything for the seasons success or failure per se but rather people see a clip show get bored and turn it off thereby lowering ratings and screwing over the rest of us. Im pointing the finger at you americans.....well sort of, mostly the american ratings companies.

in australia we have rating companies too and we had a ratings box in our house and after a week it got annoying having to put your number in to say you were watching. so we always just put the first number in or turned it off.

if the americans do things the same then ratings should not be considered by the producers whch im sure people have mentioned before.

So yeah clip shows are an easy cheap way of filling space rather than create more ideas and possibly more mistakes and make people write increibly long posts about the fact that carter pressed 9 symbols on the DHD....


....is my point getting through?

ShadowMaat
November 12th, 2008, 09:18 PM
more along the line of 'dang, that CGI was more expensive than we thought, let's save a few bucks by using clips

Mmm... that, too. But I still think TPTB think their fans are idiots.

Ripple in Space
November 12th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Clip Shows are important in Stargate imo. Even if you never miss an ep, a refresher from months-years old eps is always nice.

I just surprisingly realized that I couldn't think of a Buffy clip show. The closest I can think of is a small scene in "The Girl in Question," nearly 300 episodes into the franchise, and no clips are even used, just a brief indirect recap:

ANGEL
I helped save the world, you know.

SPIKE
Like I haven't.

ANGEL
Yeah, but I've done it a lot more.

SPIKE
Oh, please.

ANGEL
I closed the hellmouth.
(Buffy Seasons 1 & 3 - 6 & 8 years prior)

SPIKE
I've done that.
(Buffy Season 7 - 1 year prior)

ANGEL
Yeah, you wore a necklace. You know, I helped kill the mayor and, uh, and Jasmine and—
(Buffy Season 3 & Angel Season 4 - 1 & 5 years prior)

SPIKE
Do those really count as savin' the world?

ANGEL
I stopped Acathla. That saved the world.
(Buffy Season 2 - 6 years prior)

SPIKE
Buffy ran you through with a sword.

ANGEL
Yeah, but I made her do it. I signaled her with my eyes.

SPIKE
She killed you. I helped her!
(points)
That one counts as mine.

ANGEL
My point is I'm better than this.

I guess maybe Joss doesn't love clip shows, but the SG ptb fancy them.

Skydiver
November 13th, 2008, 04:38 AM
Mmm... that, too. But I still think TPTB think their fans are idiots.
i don't personally think they think we're idiots...but i do sometimes think they have a rather unrealistic and inaccurate grasp of what the average fan will enjoy

jrd231
November 13th, 2008, 09:46 AM
Clip Shows are important in Stargate imo. Even if you never miss an ep, a refresher from months-years old eps is always nice.

I just surprisingly realized that I couldn't think of a Buffy clip show. The closest I can think of is a small scene in "The Girl in Question," nearly 300 episodes into the franchise, and no clips are even used, just a brief indirect recap:


Are you kidding? Your math would be correct if your math involved multiplying everything by 2. Buffy only lasted 7 seasons and you say 300 episodes in? SG-1 lasted 10 and had just over 200.

Buffy ran 144 episodes long, if you include the un-aired pilot.

LiquidAK
November 13th, 2008, 11:03 AM
Are you kidding? Your math would be correct if your math involved multiplying everything by 2. Buffy only lasted 7 seasons and you say 300 episodes in? SG-1 lasted 10 and had just over 200.

Buffy ran 144 episodes long, if you include the un-aired pilot.

He said "franchise", so I assume he's including Angel. Angel ran for 110 eps, "The Girl in Question" was ep 108.

108+144 = 252

Which could be considered, as he said "nearly 300 episodes in".

jenks
November 13th, 2008, 12:06 PM
i don't personally think they think we're idiots...but i do sometimes think they have a rather unrealistic and inaccurate grasp of what the average fan will enjoy

And by that do you mean average viewer, or average forum goer?

lunarleviathan
November 14th, 2008, 05:12 AM
I enjoy clip shows. They make me feel nostalgic, which is a nice warm fuzzy feeling.

AvatarIII
November 14th, 2008, 06:50 AM
I enjoy clip shows. They make me feel nostalgic, which is a nice warm fuzzy feeling.

some clip shows are rubbish, but i agree, some are good, the season 7 one, and the season 8 one were both pretty good, possibly because the series had been going long enough to make you feel nostalgic, but a season 1 clip show doesn't have the same effect.