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GateWorld
November 10th, 2008, 06:11 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 310</FONT>
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Arthur sends Sylar and Elle to capture Claire, who is being trained to fight by her father. Nathan and Peter go in search of the Haitian, while Matt follows Daphne to her hometown in Kansas when she loses faith in herself. The arrival of an eclipse robs everyone of their special abilities.

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the fifth man
November 24th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Good episode tonight. Definitely setting everything up for the second part, which I can't wait to see. Seeing them all struggling with not being able to use their powers was great too. They have all become so dependent on them since this show began. It will be very interesting to see where this eclipse thing leads.

GATEGOD
November 24th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Sylar/Elle Kissage - Yay!

Elle hurting Claire - "Aww"

Noah leaving Claire to kill Sylar/Elle - Eww.

Seth Green - omgyes.

Phenix
November 24th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Sylar/Elle Kissage - Yay!

Elle hurting Claire - "Aww"

Noah leaving Claire to kill Sylar/Elle - Eww.

Seth Green - omgyes.

you don't need to use spoiler alerts

the fifth man
November 24th, 2008, 08:02 PM
I just can't wait to see how Sylar is going to survive a vengeful HRG.

Bobby
November 24th, 2008, 09:57 PM
Sylar/Elle Kissage - Yay!

Elle hurting Claire - "Aww"

Noah leaving Claire to kill Sylar/Elle - Eww.

Seth Green - omgyes.

I know i saw Seth Green's name in the opening credits and was just like omg what???

Good episode but a bit of an anticlimax. You can pretty much sum up the episode by saying that everyone looses their powers.

I hope part 2 is good or i will be very dissapointed.

RoK
November 24th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I'm still a fan of the show, and right now have no real pet peeves with the episodes and such, from what I've seen on the boards here. Although, I do wish that they would sort of do what they did in Season One, branch out the storylines through multiple episodes, unlike what they're doing in Season Three, which is to solve these storylines in one or two episodes. With that being said...

I actually liked this episode. It shows us what it would be like if the heroes and villains didn't have their powers again. I can't wait to see what's going to happen in the next episode.

I think it's cool that the Haitian has a brother and that he has a pretty cool ability. I'm just wondering if and when they'll ever tell us his real name.

Now Hiro's sort of on his way back to be where he's at. I just wish they could restore his memory. I don't like him believing that he's 10 years old.

All and all, good episode. Can't wait for the next one.

mr_kennedy
November 25th, 2008, 05:04 AM
pretty good episode 7/10

stuff i liked

finally there teaching clair to defend herself

mohinder back to normal

the petrellis together

stuff i hated

nathan ending up in somdi's hands, maybe the future that peter/hiro/angela saw will come true?

sylar/elle i hate this ship *hides*

sylar's bad again :(

and im also not sure about

the hero's loosing there powers


I just can't wait to see how Sylar is going to survive a vengeful HRG.

i dont see elle surviving, but the eclipse might finish and the heroes/villains will regain there powers

with peter regaining his base power :D

Skydiver
November 25th, 2008, 05:24 AM
folks, spoiler tags for this epsidoe are not needed in this thread :)

You just need to tag speculation for upcoming episodes and past episodes

Phenix
November 25th, 2008, 09:15 AM
pretty good episode 7/10

stuff i liked

finally there teaching clair to defend herself

mohinder back to normal

the petrellis together

stuff i hated

nathan ending up in somdi's hands, maybe the future that peter/hiro/angela saw will come true?

sylar/elle i hate this ship *hides*

sylar's bad again :(

and im also not sure about

the hero's loosing there powers



i dont see elle surviving, but the eclipse might finish and the heroes/villains will regain there powers

with peter regaining his base power :D

man, you've posted in here before. did you just put the spoiler tag b/c you didn't have much to say.... :);)

MarshAngel
November 25th, 2008, 09:49 AM
This might have been a really good episode but I'll never know because I couldn't see a damn thing. All that running around in the dark, you'd think they'd never heard of electricity.

I wish Nathan would just live up to his pretty face and stop being such a damn idiot. Peter is so right. He's been spineless...not that he should be criticizing anyone.

Matt is consistently an idiot and this last time for no good reason. He has lived most of his years without being able to read minds and all of a sudden he needs to read her mind in order to talk to Daphne? And I say "talk" because this notion of "rescuing" her was ridiculous. She was in her own house! what was he rescuing her from?

The characters seem a little schizophrenic, particularly Elle and Sylar. I'm good, no I'm bad, I'm doing what's right, oh wait no I'm not? I wish they'd find a position and stick to it. I don't even know why they have ever done anything at anyone's behest. It would be so much simpler if they did only what they wanted and forget this ridiculous idea of doing what other people tell them. If that's the direction they're going in then...woohoo! I think Bonnie & Clyde could work for them.

Claire is still complaining and it's getting annoying. I'm glad Noah decided to teach her something if only to shut her up. I know she's young and silly but will one of these characters please tell her there is more than one way to save the world and it usually doesn't involve muscles. She has two fathers, two uncles and two mothers and none of them give any decent advice.

Now for my sadistic pleasures....watching Mohinder get beat down by one of the few characters whose behavior is consistent. Flint is an idiot acting like an idiot and one of the few who doesn't need powers to do the only thing he knows...bully.

J-Whitt Remastered
November 25th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Why all the talk about the first eclipse triggering everybody's powers? The way Peter was talking in the beginning of the series he'd been having his dreams for awhile. He never said to Nathan, "Man, I had the weirdest dream last night that I've never had before." And when we saw what everyone was like 6 months before the season started Nathan at least had his power to fly. I don't remember if everyone did but it stands to reason that they did too even if they couldn't use them. I don't remember all of that episode and I don't feel like watching it again right now.

entil2001
November 25th, 2008, 04:46 PM
At this point, the backlash against ďHeroesĒ has generated a backlash of its own. Thereís no doubt that some of the criticism is due to a bandwagon effect. Too many people in the world (and on the internet) love to kick a man when heís down, and Tim Kring has fallen right on his face with his recent comments and his decision to scapegoat his previous showrunners.

Unfortunately, itís not all about tearing down a good thing. There are legitimate criticisms that are being dismissed amidst the noise. Apologists tend to ignore those criticisms anyway, citing the notion that some critics and disaffected fans just donít pay attention, but that glosses over the many continuity errors that have cropped up this season.

This particular episode is just the beginning of whatever process is underway with the universal loss of abilities, so itís hard to comment on what has yet to play out completely. A couple of things immediately come to mind. Itís a comic book staple to have some event wipe out powers across the board, at least for a little while, and it always manages to knock over the anthills a bit. The question is how long it will last, and how it will change the approaching war.

One big question does come up, however: why is the eclipse suddenly so important? The first season started with the hint that the eclipse had some greater meaning, but previous continuity has established that the various abilities came about long before the eclipse in the pilot. For that matter, Hiro appeared in Japan during an eclipse, and it had no discernable effect on his powers at the time.

This episode, however, states that the abilities emerged when the previous eclipse took place, and ties that to the apparent significance of the current crisis. Perhaps worse, the writers use that as plot justification in and of itself. They simply borrow the importance of the previous eclipse, even though its own significance is tenuous at best!

Iím also a bit annoyed with the characterization of Sylar in this episode. While Elle does seem like the type to focus on self-interest, Sylarís character arc went from relatively straightforward to all over the map. Is Sylar being set up as the ultimate wild card? Or is he just shifting his desire for approval from Angela to Arthur to Elle? Iíve been frustrated with Sylar all season, and this episode is no exception.

If ď9th WonderĒ was the comic book written and drawn by Isaac in the first season, and Isaac is dead, who is generating new issues of the comic book now? That would seem to be a fairly obvious continuity error. It also doesnít help that the writers took a page from ďLostĒ and pulled a John Locke with Daphne. So her ability allows her to overcome her disability. Itís an interesting twist for the character, but sadly, it felt derivative.

All that said, I did end up enjoying the majority of the episode. I loved the interplay between Noah and Claire, especially her decision to save his life. She may have thought that her ability would make it a low risk proposition, but itís the thought that counts. I liked seeing the Petrelli brothers have it out for a while, though I think that they still need a good brawl to get over themselves.

A lot can be forgiven if the rest of this volumeís arc can deliver on its promises. The first season ended with a whimper, and the second season was only marginally better. It would be a very good sign if the third volume could round out the end of 2008 on a high note.

John Keegan
Reprinted with permission
Original source: c. Critical Myth, 2008
All rights reserved
Link: http://www.criticalmyth.com

Exiled Master
November 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Seth Green - omgyes.

I emphatically second that statement.
Looks like Suresh is going to be making the half-baked formula again.

lunarleviathan
November 25th, 2008, 10:34 PM
I just can't wait to see how Sylar is going to survive a vengeful HRG.

Assuming HRG is primarily after Sylar. ;) Seems waaaay to obvious.

Regardless, Elle better not get shot dead. I might die if I have to go without Kristin Bell in my weekly TV diet.

jds1982
November 26th, 2008, 06:12 AM
I really don't understand how the eclipse is taking away powers, it's been shown that it didn't give powers as a good portion of the characters had powers before the pilot episode eclipse. Maybe they'll find a better way to explain it than just "the eclipse giveth, and the eclipse taketh away". Also aren't total solar eclipses relatively rare things, at least when viewing from a particular spot in the world?

Phenix
November 26th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I really don't understand how the eclipse is taking away powers, it's been shown that it didn't give powers as a good portion of the characters had powers before the pilot episode eclipse. Maybe they'll find a better way to explain it than just "the eclipse giveth, and the eclipse taketh away". Also aren't total solar eclipses relatively rare things, at least when viewing from a particular spot in the world?

Kring just hates plot and continuity.

ZeroPoint
November 26th, 2008, 01:59 PM
Kring just hates plot and continuity.

There is just no better way to put it than that. :cool:

Agent_Dark
November 27th, 2008, 01:54 AM
You can pretty much sum up the episode by saying that everyone looses their powers.
May want to fix your typo there mate, because you're not saying what I think you're trying to say lol ;o

The Prophet
November 27th, 2008, 08:54 AM
two uncles

Three Uncles- Peter, Sylar and Flint :P

Not the best role models, granted.

Dutch_Razor
November 27th, 2008, 01:30 PM
I hope they finally shoot Sylar, that would at least mix things up a bit, this whole Good-Bad-Good-Bad-Good Sylar thing, Sylar swithces sides faster than Teal'c !

Cree
November 28th, 2008, 05:10 AM
Three Uncles- Peter, Sylar and Flint :P

Not the best role models, granted.

4 Uncles, you forget sylar :P

The Prophet
November 28th, 2008, 05:32 AM
4 Uncles, you forget sylar :P

Three Uncles, I included Sylar :P


Three Uncles- Peter, Sylar and Flint

;)

MarshAngel
November 28th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Ah yes three. I forgot about Flint. However, he isn't qualified to advise a rodent.

Commander Zelix
November 29th, 2008, 06:44 PM
Sometimes Heroes comes out as a jumbled mess where you dont actually care about whats going on and just want thing to move on. I think this episodes is an example of it. Its like forcing yourself to keep watching a boring movie because you still want to know how its going to end.

The idea of having heroes losing their ability (for all they could know, possibly forevever) is a great idea. It could have great dramatic (and comedic) and emotional impact on them. From relief to fear, change of life direction, humility, lost of purpose, etc. But it was quickly skipped, for heroes going on about their mission... whatever that is.

I wish they could concentrate more on creating a good story every week that could link to the overall season arc. Than having 20 different arc, which are not interesting on their own. My best episodes this season are "Dying of the Light" and "Villains".

Cree
December 11th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Three Uncles, I included Sylar :P



;)

oh i am stupid, for some reason i was counting nathan as an uncle lol!

garhkal
January 10th, 2016, 03:18 PM
Good episode tonight. Definitely setting everything up for the second part, which I can't wait to see. Seeing them all struggling with not being able to use their powers was great too. They have all become so dependent on them since this show began. It will be very interesting to see where this eclipse thing leads.

Very true. I likened it to one of the Starwars novels, where Mara Jade is training a teen Jacen solo, and keeps admonishing him about his continual use of the force. If that's all you use, that's all you develop.




Noah leaving Claire to kill Sylar/Elle - Eww.

Seth Green - omgyes

Noah leaving makes sense though. BOTH sylar and now Eli have done bad things to his 'claire bear;.

And i also loved the comic store scene with Seth and Breckin Meyer. Those 2 are great comics imo..



I think it's cool that the Haitian has a brother and that he has a pretty cool ability. I'm just wondering if and when they'll ever tell us his real name.

Agreed. This was imo the first real episode where they expanded on the Hatian and his backstory/family. BUT it sounds like his power is somewhat similar to Claire and Adams..


I wish Nathan would just live up to his pretty face and stop being such a damn idiot. Peter is so right. He's been spineless...not that he should be criticizing anyone.

He's not just spineless, but seems to always pick power over common sense..
Exactly HOW would it make the world better to have everyone be evo??


One big question does come up, however: why is the eclipse suddenly so important? The first season started with the hint that the eclipse had some greater meaning, but previous continuity has established that the various abilities came about long before the eclipse in the pilot. For that matter, Hiro appeared in Japan during an eclipse, and it had no discernable effect on his powers at the time.


But it did seem to awaken Adam's power. Also there was that Eclipse right at the beginning of S1 which seemed to awaken Hiro's power, and that of Matt..


If ď9th WonderĒ was the comic book written and drawn by Isaac in the first season, and Isaac is dead, who is generating new issues of the comic book now? That would seem to be a fairly obvious continuity error.


He had quite a few issues wrote, but only those published were seen earlier on..??


All that said, I did end up enjoying the majority of the episode. I loved the interplay between Noah and Claire, especially her decision to save his life. She may have thought that her ability would make it a low risk proposition, but itís the thought that counts. I liked seeing the Petrelli brothers have it out for a while, though I think that they still need a good brawl to get over themselves.


I too loved the Claire saving Noah scene. Show's she has forgiven dad from all that crap she was getting in his face about earlier..

I also think peter and nathan (preferably without powers) need to slug it out..