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GateWorld
November 10th, 2008, 06:10 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 309</FONT>
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Nathan confronts his father after learning that he is still live, while Ando tries to remind Hiro of who he is after Arthur makes him think he is a 10-year-old boy. Matt takes on Arthur in an attempt to wake up Angela, and Sylar faces a vengeful Elle.

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the fifth man
November 17th, 2008, 07:48 PM
I thought tonight's episode was pretty good. How about you guys?

Skydiver
November 17th, 2008, 07:53 PM
not too bad, all things considered, now that the characters are finally within 20 feet of each other rather than scattered all over the place

mr_kennedy
November 17th, 2008, 10:23 PM
not bad episode

i was expecting peter to regain his powers when he saved claire from the villains

i figure sylar's ability absorption is triggered by empathy and so is peter's, it was just easier for peter to absorb power's

maybe he is now immortal again?

Phenix
November 17th, 2008, 11:40 PM
if you stay in the moment it was a very very good episode but once you start to try to connect plot lines it falls apart again.

Wolf O'Donnell
November 18th, 2008, 02:06 AM
I really hate this Hiro as a ten year old thing although i thought it was a pretty cool idea to have him rattle off recent comic book events.

mr_kennedy
November 18th, 2008, 02:12 AM
i enjoyed that scene aswell

what i wanna know is who is writing 9th wonders?

knowles2
November 18th, 2008, 07:54 AM
i enjoyed that scene aswell

what i wanna know is who is writing 9th wonders?

Good question. And my only answer at the moment it either Arthur or the African guy or a third person.


As for the storylines, I think once the entire season is done I got the feeling most of them will come together a lot more than people think.
I love peter in the sewers. And I love how that it was the difference in how they were bought up that guided how peter and Syler powers developed, I thought it was pretty nice. But I love the ending where you sure the two opposing side together. And I wonder what is coming.

The only thing I did not like was the Hiro having the mind of a ten year old back. I want the character to get serious again. And Clare being the special one was not that surprising through I thought the catalyst was gonna be the eclipse.

gkyun
November 18th, 2008, 12:54 PM
i enjoyed that scene aswell

what i wanna know is who is writing 9th wonders?


Good question. And my only answer at the moment it either Arthur or the African guy or a third person.

I think it was in fact Isaac Mendez who wrote those comics. If you remember in late season 1 Isaac gave his publisher the last drafts of the 9th Wonders as well as his sketchbook, before he was killed by Sylar.

So the comics could have been published using those pages. Plus it makes little sense why Arther and the African guy would want to draw the comics.

knowles2
November 18th, 2008, 01:06 PM
I think it was in fact Isaac Mendez who wrote those comics. If you remember in late season 1 Isaac gave his publisher the last drafts of the 9th Wonders as well as his sketchbook, before he was killed by Sylar.

So the comics could have been published using those pages. Plus it makes little sense why Arther and the African guy would want to draw the comics.

I suppose that true through but that would mean he was seeing a lot further into the future than we have been told since. Through it makes the most sense.

MarshAngel
November 18th, 2008, 01:09 PM
I suppose that true through but that would mean he was seeing a lot further into the future than we have been told since. Through it makes the most sense.

Not only further, but multiple futures since Hiros and Peter's meddling have no doubt changed some of the events.

mr_kennedy
November 18th, 2008, 02:17 PM
i just didnt think they issac gave 9th wonders too was a pre-cog, but there was stuff that was happening like aurthor trying to mind fry hiro

well it could have been the hiatian pre-cog i guess

entil2001
November 18th, 2008, 04:53 PM
In a recent convention appearance, Tim Kring provided some insight into the writing process for “Heroes”, and some of his frustrations. Over the course of the presentation, a number of issues emerged, many of which explain the current state of the series. As it turns out, Kring does understand some of the problems with how the story has evolved; his responses just don’t quite make the grade.

Apparently “Villains” has been his response to the realization that several characters had become so powerful and unbeatable that some plot device was necessary to mitigate that drawback. It’s the “Superman” effect times ten, only with only one apparent source of kryptonite (the Haitian). Peter, Sylar, Claire, and Hiro were all overpowered, and the writers routinely had them make stupid decisions to ensure those powers were out of play. By the end of this episode, Peter is “normal”, Sylar is becoming another Peter, Claire is the Chosen One, and Hiro has mentally devolved into a 10-year-old (so that, of course, he has the priorities of a kid and therefore won’t just end the whole threat in a matter of seconds, as he certainly could).

More disturbing is the contention by Kring that so many of the show’s problems have been caused by its serialized nature. On the one hand, I understand his frustrations. The show has too many divergent plot threads over the course of a volume, and by the time they come together, at least half of them have lost momentum. And like “24”, it’s all too easy to fall into patterns and become too focused on plot over character.

Ironically, one show has struck a near-perfect balance: “Lost”. “Heroes” was supposed to be the anti-“Lost”, the show that provided better and more timely answers with more action and fan service. There’s one major difference. Early in the first season, the showrunners of “Lost” determined the road map for the series and conceived an ending. That sense of purpose has been evident, especially once the series was given a definitive end date.

Kring admits that “Heroes” has no plan, and certainly has no ending. There is no ultimate purpose to what is happening from volume to volume. Part of the problem is the decision, driven by popularity and the network, to abandon the original premise: each season telling a new story with new characters. Once again, this is very similar to what “24” has faced. That show was also supposed to reboot every season, but thanks to the popularity of Jack Bauer, those plans were tossed aside.

So now Kring has found himself on a series with too many characters with too much power, sticking around way too long, and with much more history and continuity than he had ever anticipated. And I think the strain is showing. It’s fashionable these days to bash “Heroes” for its faults, but that doesn’t mean it’s a bandwagon. It means that Kring has made a number of mistakes in adjusting from his original plan to the current reality, and it has taken too long for those adjustments to take effect. As he said himself, this third volume was already filmed and in the can by the time it premiered. As much as he discounts some of the criticism, he has yet to actually make changes based on the reception of “Villains” that can be seen on the screen.

Circling back to the question of whether or not this series is too serialized: this episode is better for it. Whatever criticisms might be made about how the characters arrived in their current state, one can see the threads coming together. I had hoped that the heroes would abandon Primatech and Angela, given their questionable history, but it’s still interesting to see how the battle lines have been drawn.

I liked Matt’s attempt to save Angela, how it intersected with Daphne’s ethical quandary and led to a moment between Angela and Arthur. It took the most obvious plot choice and turned it into something a bit more character-based, however slight. I also liked the tension between Peter and Claire, and how his time in the future factored into that. Claire’s ability is profound, yet here we see some of the limitations. And I liked Mohinder’s conflicted work on the metahuman serum, since it feels more authentic than his self-experimentation.

Surprisingly, my favorite part had to be the interplay between Sylar and Elle. Accepting what has been revealed previously without further judgment, the scenes in this episode were quite well done (no pun intended). Kristen Bell and Zachary Quinto are both very strong, and I can accept that Sylar would run through this particular gauntlet to find some way to replicate powers without killing. It might appear to drive him firmly under Arthur’s influence, but I think it’s more likely that this will give him the courage to stand on his own.

I don’t want the series to lose the elements that make the end of each volume so satisfying. No matter the issues that plague the continuity of the series, there is a sense of resolution. If the series lost much of its serialized nature, that strength could be lost.

Exiled Master
November 18th, 2008, 06:42 PM
I never thought that Hiro was overpowered. He doesn't have the mind for it (yet). I keep picturing him as this Cable-like figure, but he isn't nearly smart enough for that. For instance, I extrapolated that if Hiro can control time and space, he should be able to manipulate gravity, which could effectively give him telekinesis.

jds1982
November 19th, 2008, 10:50 AM
I gotta say that Elle seemed very quick to forgive the man who sawed her father's head off. Now granted she played a part in creating the monster (a fact which I hate), but still I think I'd wanna kill the SOB rather than snuggle up with him.

The Prophet
November 19th, 2008, 03:48 PM
I gotta say that Elle seemed very quick to forgive the man who sawed her father's head off. Now granted she played a part in creating the monster (a fact which I hate), but still I think I'd wanna kill the SOB rather than snuggle up with him.

Sociopaths, eh?

Interesting episode, build up suspence for the Eclipse and brought everything together. Although, I'm wondering why Sylar & Elle are fighting with Arthur, when they've no actual incentive to (apart from Arthur being Sylar's father, there's really not other reason to stay with him).

LiquidAK
November 19th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Very good episode imo. Power absorbtion is clearly a Petrelli trait, and Sylar and Peter seem to have the same power, just the way that they were brought up caused it to develop in wildly different ways, I thought that was a great idea.

Hiro as a 10 year old = No.

Loved the end sequence, as the "teams" if you will are lining up, and it's basically gonna be a Mom vs Dad slugfest. Especially loved the way it cut from Peter to Sylar, as they're as evenly matched as you can really get.

Don't really understand why Elle is with Arthur, he had her chained up and let the guy that killed her father in the room. No idea why Sylar is with him either really, as it seemed that Angela cared for him more than Arthur has been shown to.

Can not wait for next episode. Heroes is good again, I'm enjoying this as much as I enjoyed season 1, hopefully they can keep this up.

Bobby
November 19th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Fantastic episode i have to say. The whole eclipse thing is so interesting and I want to know why Arthur is so afraid by it.

Theres only two problems I have with the characters: First of all i don't like the new inhumane version of Suresh that’s just stupid and i just don't like him as a villain.

Secondly, Hiro as a 10 year old boy. This is all up to the writers because they can either make this change fantastic and interesting or it can just get boring and annoying. I hope for the sake of the show, and one of the best characters, that it does turn out ok.

I have to admit I like Syler as the semi evil guy although i have to admit it would be awesome to have him and Peter working side by side to take down Arthur.

Finally, where is the Haitian got to? He is potentially the most powerful character on the show and he should have a major role in these events. I don't understand why Arthur would not have chased after him because he knows what he is capable and he must want to get revenge on him because he did help with his attempted murder.

ZeroPoint
November 19th, 2008, 06:21 PM
The teams seem a little lopsided with Arthur/Gabriel/Elle on one side. My guess is Gabriel showing compassion and turning on Arthur when Arthur hurts/kills someone. Wonder what Gabriel's reaction will be when finding out that Arthur freed his "evil mother" Angela.

I also think that the big battle will not matter much because the eclipse will wipe out most of the powers, doing a series reset that Kring seems to want.

AvatarIII
November 20th, 2008, 03:06 AM
i don't know why everyone loved this ep, i considered it mediocre, and the final scene with claire made me want to kringe (geddit?)

Spimman
November 20th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Syler and Peter do NOT have the same power, although they are very similar. Remember that future Peter had to learn Syler's power. While the line between their powers is blurring they are NOT the same. Power absorbion runs in the family, but they vary from father to son and son.

wise one
November 20th, 2008, 11:44 AM
gabriel/sylar was born up lonely i figure working in a watch makers place and his place had lots of books and such so him having little empathy to trigger his power was being held back whereas peter with such a powerful empathy for helping people could easily access people powers

arthur powers on the other hand could be empathy based or it was a naturally born ability while his sons are a bonus

i quite enjoyed gab/elle moment who knows maybe the son gabriel had in the future is elles mother???

GATEGOD
November 20th, 2008, 03:52 PM
I've fallen in love with Sylar and Elle. They are so cute together, angry bitter pasts, bright fluffy futures. lol

airrick
November 20th, 2008, 05:17 PM
A few thoughts to toss around about this episode..

#1 Sylar and his newfound way to "absorb" abilities similar to the way Peter can learn them from being in close contact. Is it possible that Sylar learned his watchmaking ways from another superhuman? Early on he might have come in contact with someone that had the power to figure things out and learned them without even knowing. It just seems a little strange to me that absorbing powers thru empathy and cutting someones skull open and sticking your fingers in their brains are so far from each other they cant be the same power.

#2 Hiro as a kid, no friggin way. For me Hiro went from one of the most interesting, powerful and series changing characters to a nobody. He has spent the better part of 2 seasons being the comic relief and clueless superhuman. I understand his powers are extremely strong, and in order to maintain balance they dont want give him too much information. It just makes the most sense that he would have tons of information, time travel isnt widespread as far as we know in the Heroes universe unless there is someone else out there running around changing the future and from the looks of it that couldnt be possible. I dont want to even bring up how the Speedster being able to move fast enough to interact with him is just nuts. I have seen 2 times in the show since we were informed she could move fast enough to talk, move and see what he is doing that he has still been able to stop time with her standing there and getting away with his normal carrying on. It just seems to happen when its convenient for the story progression, I hate that kind of stuff. The kid thing seems very much like most anime, the strongest character is the one that acts up, doesnt care, has no reason to be able to pull thru yet somehow someway they do.. and I hate that. The villains always spend more time learning how to use their ability while the heroes tend to not want to use their power yet they always seem to pull thru, its a common concept in writing and I hate it.. give us a hero that WANTS to use his powers to make a difference that would make the most sense.

#3 Not in this episode but worth bringing up. When Claires mother, her real mother was captured by the puppetmaster guy it was clear to me that he could control movement but not thoughts. I dont want to jump to any conclusions but based on what we were informed on Claires mothers powers was that she could create and control fire, which was a mental ability. It would also make sense that her mother couldnt be burned by her own power, if she was then everytime she did it she would get burned.. and we havent seen anything to assume that in the series. So when she was kidnapped why didnt she just ignite the building on fire and burn up the puppetmaster? It was clear Claire wasnt with him and if she was burning up the building still wouldnt have killed her.


The list goes on and on.. I believe a series reset is in order to fix a lot of this nonsense.. I welcome it actually..

Phenix
November 21st, 2008, 12:02 PM
Syler and Peter do NOT have the same power, although they are very similar. Remember that future Peter had to learn Syler's power. While the line between their powers is blurring they are NOT the same. Power absorbion runs in the family, but they vary from father to son and son.

It'd be nice if Kring would actually work with a plot and continuity.

Kring has admitted that he writes for dramatic effect so both are tossed out.

As a stand alone episode I really enjoyed this but like most of Heroes you really need to turn off your brain to enjoy the show. Sylar and Peter have different powers. In season 1 and 2 this was officially canon. Now Kring is changing canon again by writing that Sylar and Peter do indeed have the same power.

Phenix
November 21st, 2008, 12:04 PM
#2 Hiro as a kid, no friggin way. For me Hiro went from one of the most interesting, powerful and series changing characters to a nobody. He has spent the better part of 2 seasons being the comic relief and clueless superhuman. I understand his powers are extremely strong, and in order to maintain balance they dont want give him too much information. It just makes the most sense that he would have tons of information, time travel isnt widespread as far as we know in the Heroes universe unless there is someone else out there running around changing the future and from the looks of it that couldnt be possible. I dont want to even bring up how the Speedster being able to move fast enough to interact with him is just nuts. I have seen 2 times in the show since we were informed she could move fast enough to talk, move and see what he is doing that he has still been able to stop time with her standing there and getting away with his normal carrying on. It just seems to happen when its convenient for the story progression, I hate that kind of stuff. The kid thing seems very much like most anime, the strongest character is the one that acts up, doesnt care, has no reason to be able to pull thru yet somehow someway they do.. and I hate that. The villains always spend more time learning how to use their ability while the heroes tend to not want to use their power yet they always seem to pull thru, its a common concept in writing and I hate it.. give us a hero that WANTS to use his powers to make a difference that would make the most sense.

I never liked Hiro. I know he is a very popular character but I'd have no problem if he died.

I also do not understand how Arthur has Hiro's power while Hiro is still able to use it. Maybe Arthur doesn't really take away power.

knowles2
November 21st, 2008, 01:29 PM
I never liked Hiro. I know he is a very popular character but I'd have no problem if he died.

I also do not understand how Arthur has Hiro's power while Hiro is still able to use it. Maybe Arthur doesn't really take away power.

Because he stole all of peters powers and peter had hiros power.
I believe that he most likely just suppresses their power or weakens them to the point that the person originally has them can know longer use them at the same time he also copies them. This would explain why Syler was able to solve Elle problem and also she was able to keep her powers. He just absorb a percentage of it.

Matt G
December 1st, 2008, 03:35 PM
1. Hiro as a 10 year old? Not only that but the reference to the Hulk being red...I'm not the biggest comic book fan, is this significant?

2. Good to see Angela back in business.

3. Elle and Syler is slightly warped but these things happen.

4. Not sure what to make of this eclipse.

5. How did Peter get his powers back?

Interesting set up.

garhkal
January 10th, 2016, 03:03 PM
I thought tonight's episode was pretty good. How about you guys?

It was a lot better than Ep 8 imo.



i was expecting peter to regain his powers when he saved claire from the villains


So was i. BUT i liked that he actually showed smarts for once.


i enjoyed that scene aswell

what i wanna know is who is writing 9th wonders?

It was explained in S1 that Issac Mendes (another precog) was the one who wrote those comics


I gotta say that Elle seemed very quick to forgive the man who sawed her father's head off. Now granted she played a part in creating the monster (a fact which I hate), but still I think I'd wanna kill the SOB rather than snuggle up with him.

I too felt it was a little contrived, but seeing as Sylar let her vent, with NO counters or come backs, and was very empathic, maybe that softened her a little. I also LOVED that entire scene with her letting lose and him just taking it.



4. Not sure what to make of this eclipse.

S1 had an Eclipse right at the start, so did S2 right after Hiro traveled back to Japan. Heroes reborn also has an eclipse neutering powers.. So its a common theme of Eclipse equals either powers given/awaken or powers turned off..