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The6thRace
November 7th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Do they have somewhere they gotta be right now? Earth is sitting pretty with a ZPM in the outpost and a ZPM powered Asgard enhanced 304 - so it isn't like they need the ship. All the system lords are gone anyways. The transporter technology could of solved a lot of problems. Or a good old Asgard beam right through the control tower. We fixed it once in a couple weeks, we can do it again.

If one ship is going for supplies, the other should remain with Atlantis.

rarocks24
November 7th, 2008, 08:03 PM
Remember how much damage the Daedalus took after Todd took her over? The Apollo could be carrying supplies throughout the Milky Way, and the Odyssey may have been dismantled and or sitting in a facility on Earth where its advanced technology is being thoroughly studied. After all, they don't want anyone else to have it.

jelgate
November 7th, 2008, 08:11 PM
I think defending Earth is more important

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2008, 08:43 PM
I think defending Earth is more important

from what???

mapps war on hungry

jelgate
November 7th, 2008, 08:45 PM
from what???mapps war on hungryIts like how you have ships patroling the ocean even when their is no war. You never know when an enemy is going to strike. The Lucian Alliance is still out their and we are not on the best terms with the Jaffa.

Pharaoh Atem
November 7th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Its like how you have ships patroling the ocean even when their is no war. You never know when an enemy is going to strike. The Lucian Alliance is still out their and we are not on the best terms with the Jaffa.

and we can blow up to ashes

i highly doubt someone will try to come after us now

jelgate
November 7th, 2008, 08:52 PM
And who is to say their is nor someone their more powerful. Its just common sense to have your place guarded from hostile people. We didn't know about the rogue Asgard in the PG so maybe their is an evil in the MW. The point is we don't about all the powers in the MW.

erneuern
November 8th, 2008, 12:13 AM
Stargate is better when ships and all of their "easy escapes" are removed from the picture... team gets in trouble, team escapes trouble without easy help... though it would be nice to see the Apollo come around again in the ship rotation, (which is supposed to happen in Remnants it seems).

ha'tak_
November 8th, 2008, 04:09 AM
Its like how you have ships patroling the ocean even when their is no war. You never know when an enemy is going to strike. The Lucian Alliance is still out their and we are not on the best terms with the Jaffa.

okey we are not on the jaffa best terms but they whould never attack earth


reason 1: we are allys

reason 2: they know the defensis on earth are very strong

jonos101
November 8th, 2008, 04:13 AM
But if a 304 was there, the episode would have been over in about 10 minutes.

talyn2k1
November 8th, 2008, 04:30 AM
But if a 304 was there, the episode would have been over in about 10 minutes.

Exactly.

The 304s have been used as convenient get out clauses too many times. Ships add an extra dimension to the story when they are used properly, but an episode like this can't work when you've got a ship with beaming technology hanging around in orbit.

As stated by someone else, the Daedalus took quite a kicking in 'The Lost Tribe' so they are probably in MW getting repaired. Odyssey is Earth's ship, and the Apollo was probably on a supply run.
PTB only have 45 minutes of air time, they can't conveniently spell out every little thing, and personally I'd feel they were insulting my intelligence if they did. It doesn't take a genius to explain the lack of 304s in this episode.

The6thRace
November 8th, 2008, 04:44 AM
Sheppard: "What about the Apollo? We can use the transporters."
McKay: "Isn't due back for another 3 days."
Sheppard: "Damnit Rodney!"

rarocks24
November 8th, 2008, 05:18 AM
But if a 304 was there, the episode would have been over in about 10 minutes.
1 minute. All Daedalus had to do was beam in 30 armed men and Michael would wet his pants.

Giantevilhead
November 8th, 2008, 05:46 AM
The Priors are still around. Just because they don't believe in the Ori anymore doesn't mean they're all going to hug trees with the Nox.

Xaeden
November 8th, 2008, 09:32 AM
While there are no big enemies in the Milky Way right now, as far as we know they are continuing exploration as usual. Which means lots of teams out in the galaxy where they can get into trouble and need a ship to assist them. There are also minor skirmishes that are bound to arise from the Lucian alliance, less than friendly factions of Jaffa, and possibly the remaining Goa'uld...Skirmishes which may need to be resolved with ship support (sending the Odyssey into battle isn't the best idea unless they first remove the Asgard core as, despite its power, a well planned trap can still spell its end). They could also be amping up their offworld building and using the ships to aid with the transport of larger items or just with the transport of items in general so the gate on Earth isn't always in use and thus unavailable to offworld teams who may be in danger and only have one shot at dialing the gate (assuming they have access to the gate which they wouldn't if they are building within their own solar system).

Meanwhile, teams needs assistance in the Pegasus galaxy as well and they may have turned their spying to the Wraith now that the replicators are gone so even if there was a ship in the galaxy, it wouldn't necessarily be stationed on Atlantis at all times. A ship could also be used to help the Travelers rebuild as offered or help with the construction of the Alpha site that was mentioned again recently...or, when it is built, they may feel more comfortable keeping it over there a bit more since it wouldn't be as well protected as Atlantis. Additionally, they've increased the population of Atlantis over the years as travel got easier and now that they're back to being left with just their ships to resupply them, they need to spend more time going back and forth. Plus, with the recent damage to the Daedalus, this could mean that it is docked on Earth for repairs right now and the Apollo (assuming it isn't busy elsewhere) is on its way with supplies for all we know.

As for Earth needing protection, I agree that it's always good to err on the side of caution. There are potential enemies that could pop out of nowhere or the Wraith could find their way to Earth and they may not get any warning because Atlantis was taken out first. There are also threats which would benefit from having an extra hand around. For example, the Outpost isn't useful against cloaked ships and we've seen them struggle to find them with the sensors before - Having multiple ships around for that after the fact would be helpful to ending what could be a dangerous situation as fast as possible, but setting up a patrol that is constantly scanning for anything abnormal (like a cloaked ship trying to enter the atmosphere) is currently their best defense against what could not only be annoying (depending on their intentions) but extremely deadly for Earth's population. It's not all that unlikely as there are several with the means for something like that which aren't too fond of Earth, including the remaining Goa'uld, who shouldn't be discounted as a threat now that their last system lord is out of the picture. There have always been lesser Goa'uld with power and with Ba'al out of the picture they will either learn to work together or (more likely) fight amongst each other until one rises to power over the rest.

Ripple in Space
November 8th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Do they have somewhere they gotta be right now?

Constructing the moon base

JeffKnight
November 8th, 2008, 12:39 PM
I do agree that it was good that they weren't in this episode. It was getting a little old to constantly be rescued by ships all the time.

As was stated, the Daedalus took a huge beating, as did the Odyssey in AoT. They could both be getting major repairs and refits. They are the 2 oldest 304's, and all of them have seem enough combat and travel to theoretically need a tune-up and lube job... They could also be putting in an Asgard Core to the Daedalus/Earth as well, since they can replicate the parts.

As far as the Apollo, it is probably on a supply run, or perhaps even rebuilding Midway Station...

talyn2k1
November 8th, 2008, 02:58 PM
I do agree that it was good that they weren't in this episode. It was getting a little old to constantly be rescued by ships all the time.

As was stated, the Daedalus took a huge beating, as did the Odyssey in AoT. They could both be getting major repairs and refits. They are the 2 oldest 304's, and all of them have seem enough combat and travel to theoretically need a tune-up and lube job... They could also be putting in an Asgard Core to the Daedalus/Earth as well, since they can replicate the parts.

As far as the Apollo, it is probably on a supply run, or perhaps even rebuilding Midway Station...

It's dangerous enough having one ship with an Asgard core flying around, they would have to be idiots to install one on another ship. All that knowledge flying around for anyone with a clever plan to get their hands on...

There's not going to be another Midway. In 'The Lost Tribe' Rodney mentions that the Daedalus was retrieving a gate from the 'old gate bridge' to replace the one Atlantis lost. The writers have decided to abandon that as it made things too easy for the Atlantis team.

However, I do agree that Daedalus and, to a lesser extent, Odyssey, must be in desperate need of a tune up by now. They've both taken a hell of a battering over the years.