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GateWorld
November 7th, 2008, 06:20 PM
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The Sanctuary is introduced to an artistically brilliant autistic savant after the young man's father kills himself. Henry struggles with the discovery that he is an abnormal.

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majorsal
November 21st, 2008, 08:03 PM
did no one watch this episode? :(

MyFavoriteWraith
November 21st, 2008, 08:10 PM
I did. And I'm going to watch the repeat in an hour! :P

majorsal
November 21st, 2008, 08:13 PM
I did. And I'm going to watch the repeat in an hour! :P

that's great! :D

what did you think of it?

Naddy
November 21st, 2008, 08:17 PM
Hey, I just watched it. I was actually wanting to post during but it wasn't open yet. lol.

So, for everyone who saw it, what'd you think? I, personally, loved it. and I watched it with my lil sis and we rewound and watched the part with "there is such a thing as before my time" and "cheeky monkey" about 8 times.

Did anyone else notice the Unas in the drawings? It was one of the ones on the hood of the car with cavanaugh (lorne from SGA) and then again on the wall at the Sanctuary. I swear it was an unas. and I thought I saw a wraith in there somewhere, but I was less sure about that one.... anyone else?

Loved the part with Ashley when she said that it wasn't the fact itself, but that she didn't learn it from Helen...

And I'd love to see more of Edward.

SamJackShipper93
November 21st, 2008, 08:18 PM
I'm here! :)

I loved it, have to say that Henry once again stole the show for me, although I enjoy seeing him as comic relief instead of so serious. I'm glad that he isn't going through with the surgery. I can't wait to see how that storyline develops.

I was surprised that we only saw one scene with Helen and Ashley. After last week's promo I thought it would play a bigger role in the story.

The new ep looks soooo awesome! :) Can't believe we have to wait TWO weeks! :mckay:

Naddy, yep, I noticed the Unas too! Put a grin on my face! I love the SG references they're throwing in!

LOL, "cheeky monkey"! :D

ann_sgcfan
November 21st, 2008, 08:26 PM
The episode just went off. I thought it was a good eppy :D It was a stand alone eppy until the end.:P We learned more about Henry. I believe Helen raised him since he was a child. Which is very cool! No wonder Ashley and Henry are like siblings. Touching moment in the library between Helen and Henry. I thought they did well showing how Henry was coming to terms with what he is changing into.

I thought Robbie was responsible for the dad's death, until the end. I loved that they were using wonderful sketches from Edward to piece the mystery together. They all had something to do in the episode. Helen, Will and Ashely were trying to solve Edward's case, with Edwards help of course. Henry uses his new found gift in the end to help the team. Big Foot, Helen, Ashely and Will all went to Henry to offer encouragement and concern. It's a close/ family atmosphere at the Sanctuary.


I do have to wonder who took the father's body and why? I wonder if it's the cabal?

Naddy
November 21st, 2008, 08:27 PM
I absolutely loved that "cheeky monkey". we (me and my sister) are compiling favourite quotes... "cheeky monkey", "few cups shy of a tea service"... I'm really looking forward to more ep's as I feel like they keep getting better...

speaking of which, we have to wait 2 weeks for a new one?!

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
November 21st, 2008, 08:27 PM
That bit with Will and Helen was awesome. I love the way she said "cheeky monkey." because only someone who is Brittish can pull it off and not sound ridiculous

When I saw the Unas picture I was beyond happy. It was funny that the Stargate Guy was handing it to the new guy. It woulda been cool though, if Helen saw that and remarked that it looked familiar. That may have been too much but awesome anyway.

I also love the whole CSI mystery angle they took. They did it really really well. I was incredibly pleased by the whole thing. Especially the ending when they figured it all out.

I really don't want to wait 2 weeks for the next episode because it looks freaking amazing.

MyFavoriteWraith
November 21st, 2008, 08:28 PM
that's great! :D

what did you think of it?

I'm still kind of absorbing everything right now. I'm very much crushing on Henry so I loved how much he was in this ep. However, if I'm going to be honest, I think his arc almost eclipsed the "Edward" arc, timewise, anyway. I wouldn't have minded if they had maybe moved his decision about the surgery to the next ep and left a little more time for them to wrap up the ending. It felt a bit rushed. Also, the Sistine Chapel thing was a little corny, IMHO. (Warning: I have a BA in Art History so I can get kinda pretentious about stuff like this. lol) Maybe if it didn't look *exactly* like the real thing and was more his own style of rendering. Like Edwards photo-like charcoal drawings. Those were amazing! (And I'm totally going back to see if that was indeed a Wraith amongst those.)

As far as the show in general, I like it when they focus on the main character story arc and make the "abnormal of the week" arc smaller. As much as I'd like to see more abnormals on the show, I'm really invested in Helen, John, Ashley, Henry, Will and Bigfoot. They're just getting started and from what I've read, they've had to write these stories kind of on the fly. I think they've done an admirable job and I'm so happy it garnered them a second season. I just hope the balance starts to even out a bit.

And can I just squee one more time over Henry? ***squee!!!*** :P

mfw

Naddy
November 21st, 2008, 08:28 PM
I thought that it was Helen pulling strings to get things covered up... do you think the Cabal was slowed down by the events in Rome? losing a bunch of people?

Naddy
November 21st, 2008, 08:32 PM
I hadn't really thought that it was the stargate guy passing on the pics but that's kinda funny....

if you look back to see if it's a wraith i think it was the one right after the unas on the car...

SamJackShipper93
November 21st, 2008, 08:34 PM
Just a little tidbit, but did anyone else notice if when Henry had his flashback of attacking the dragon creature, his nipple piercings suddenly disappeared? I could have sworn they did but perhaps I was simply seeing things (or NOT seeing things!)

Not that I was looking! :D

ann_sgcfan
November 21st, 2008, 08:36 PM
I thought that it was Helen pulling strings to get things covered up... do you think the Cabal was slowed down by the events in Rome? losing a bunch of people?

I thought it was Helen too at first, but then Will seemed genuinely surprised... and the Cabal people were in the black SUVs in another eppy... The Sanctuary has one van. So that's why I thought of the cabal the mention of multiple black vehicles .... I may be way off lol but that's my thinking for now :p

Rocky89
November 21st, 2008, 08:50 PM
OK, here's my review for Edward :).

The episode starts with a "Previously on Sanctuary" with Helen saying the words again ;) and a boy (Edward) drawing a picture of his dead father on the ground, and the father had a shotgun in his hand, the mom comes in, and we we get a close up of Edwards eyes.

I'm not gonna give too much away, so I'll talk about the big stuff ;). I that this was a great episode, I love the SFX, the science I loved how once again the show provided a lot of mystery, and it kept me guessing :). I loved Helen's joke to Will at the beginning, she has the cutest face :sam43:, I also loved Helen's scenes with Henry, she was so caring and worried about him, and how she touched his hand was so sweet and how she called him baby. At least that's what I think she said :P.

The scene with Helen and Ashley in the gun range was wicked, it's always hot seeing Helen with a gun :samanime51:, and I liked how after Ashley shot at the heart area of the target, Helen called her a heart breaker :D. The one and only scene that scared me was when :o, was when Edward shot heat vision out a Helen, and it burned her shirt, I almost screamed :P. I worry about her sometimes :).

I can't wait for Requiem, I can't wait to see what Amanda gives us :). Oh, here's a couple pics from the episode:

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/Sanctuary/requiem-robindunneamandatapping-r.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/Sanctuary/requiem-amandatapping-r.jpg

Pics from Jumper one


She's been a bad girl ;).

Naddy
November 21st, 2008, 08:50 PM
i thought it might be Helen calling in favours, or if she has friends high-up. it strikes me as likely that she would, seeing as how she's had a while to make connections...

i thought Will was not so much surprised as... well, i'm not really sure how to describe it. I thought it was going back to the discussion he and Helen had about how "one of [them] would be uncomfortable" because Helen would cover things up to protect Edward....
thoughts?

hedwig
November 21st, 2008, 08:51 PM
I'm still absorbing tonight's episode. I quite liked it. There were some really good moments in it - all the ones where Helen, Ashley, Will, Bigfoot were individually so supportive of Henry. Love the scene in Henry's room between he and Bigfoot where he stuck his foot in his mouth about "monsters" and had to backtrack, and then Bigfoot said one of the best things about being who he was was that he now had Henry for company. That was really sweet.

I was a tad disappointed that there wasn't more between Helen and Ashley about Ashley finding out who her father was. I thought that was skipped over lightly and there should have been a bit more - but I'm sure that will come in later episodes.

I did notice that drawing that looked like a Unas. It took me a moment to realize what the drawing looked like.:)

For awhile I thought it was Robby who had shot the father. I didn't expect the actual outcome to that. Though I was a bit surprised that it was Will and Helen who discovered the trap door. Made the police look sloppy in their investigation that they didn't find what was right under their feet (so to speak).

Edward was a good character. I suspect he and Robby will be back in a future episode or two.

I notice that Will appears to be going with the messy hair look. It's really cute.:)

And watching the target practice with Helen and Ashley ... well, I certainly wouldn't want to be on her bad side when she's angry.:)

ann_sgcfan
November 21st, 2008, 08:53 PM
i thought it might be Helen calling in favours, or if she has friends high-up. it strikes me as likely that she would, seeing as how she's had a while to make connections...

i thought Will was not so much surprised as... well, i'm not really sure how to describe it. I thought it was going back to the discussion he and Helen had about how "one of [them] would be uncomfortable" because Helen would cover things up to protect Edward....
thoughts?

Yeah that could be it too... We do know that Helen has connections at the Police Department.

Naddy
November 21st, 2008, 08:56 PM
i just wanted to say that about the Ashley thing... So far I like how they've handled it. I mean, Ashley's grown up with all this life-and-death stuff, and it always struck me that she's mature in a lot of ways. I like how she's handling the thing with Druitt, because it always bugs me when characters go into these sulks because they weren't told something... I know that Helen should've probably told her before John did, but I like that Ashley at least appears to be trying to consider Helen's point of view

tombombadil
November 21st, 2008, 09:23 PM
omg! there's a unas in this episode:P i missed the first showing so i just started watching but i noticed the unas right away!

MyFavoriteWraith
November 21st, 2008, 09:35 PM
I just have to ad that the actor who portrayed Edward did a wonderfully convincing job of portraying a young man with Asperger's syndrome. Actors tend to overdo it sometimes when they play handicapped characters, but this guy's was spot on.

mfw

EvenstarSRV
November 21st, 2008, 10:43 PM
I really liked this episode as well, the Edward character was very interesting, and I think the guy who played him did a great job. I hope with a season 2 pick-up they can revisit characters like him and Sophie.

I liked how they showed the mystery of the case gradually unfolding, from suspecting the father was the bad guy, to the mom and Edward, to Robbie, to finally realizing that the father did kill himself and was just trying to protect his sons.

I really liked Henry's story as well, especially the library scene with Helen and the scene with Bigfoot, and how he was able to use the positive aspect of his new powers to find Robbie.



So, for everyone who saw it, what'd you think? I, personally, loved it. and I watched it with my lil sis and we rewound and watched the part with "there is such a thing as before my time" and "cheeky monkey" about 8 times.

I loved that part, I laughed at the 'before me time' remark and giggled when Helen said 'cheeky monkey', what great lines. I noticed the Unas too, that was a cute inside joke. And some of the other 'demons' Edward drew did look Wraith-ish. :)



Loved the part with Ashley when she said that it wasn't the fact itself, but that she didn't learn it from Helen...

Loved that line as well. I really like that Ashley is handling the revelation with more maturity than in the webisodes. And I just have to add that I really like the director of the episode, he threw in a great canted angle shot when Helen was trying to get Ashley to talk that was quite cool. And I thought the opening teaser was very well done, setting up the events and emotions of the crime scene without any dialog.



I was surprised that we only saw one scene with Helen and Ashley. After last week's promo I thought it would play a bigger role in the story.


As much as I loved the scene, it felt kinda forced into the episode since there was no follow up at the end, and it had Helen changing costumes rather quickly. :)

I think maybe it would have been better to defer the scene to the episode after Requiem and have Ashley be rather closed off to Helen in this episode, which I didn't really see outside of the gun scene. Then the events of Requiem, where it seems like Helen's life is in danger, could act as the catalyst for Ashley to open up a bit to her mom again.


I thought that it was Helen pulling strings to get things covered up... do you think the Cabal was slowed down by the events in Rome? losing a bunch of people?

I thought it was the Cabal picking up the body, since Kavanaugh mentioned several black vans and Will seemed surprised by that. From the description of the Calab in Fata Morgana, 'one James Bond film from global domination,' I think it's a big enough organization that the dozen or so guys it lost in Rome won't really slow them down.

The promos for Requiem look great, I can't wait. I don't think I've ever really seen AT act 'crazy', which should be fun to watch. :)

majorsal
November 21st, 2008, 11:31 PM
as always, i'll give my full review tomorrow. stupid getting up at 4:30am is death

this was a well done ep, but it felt like an episode of law and order or cold case, with some scifi thrown in.

is it wrong to want all 40 something minutes to be just helen? :p

i'll read and review tomorrow. night all! ;)

dasNdanger
November 21st, 2008, 11:32 PM
Just gotta be quick - very tired. But I LOVED the episode - it was really packed with so much!

Best part was Bigfoot and Henry together - the 'gifts' talk. I really liked that, then to see Henry use his gift of heightened smell to find the boy...that was a nice arc for the character in this episode. I really felt for Henry, but also for Bigfoot.

I also really like Edward, the actor did a great job. I didn't mind seeing only a little of Ashley - she's a strong character and she would have overpowered this episode since so many other things were going on. It was good to see Kavan Smith again. I'm convinced it was the Cabal who took the body, suggesting more trouble from them down the line. I thought it was a well-balanced episode with personal struggles and soul-searching, a mystery, and mild action all wrapped into one.



das

mr_kennedy
November 22nd, 2008, 03:50 AM
pretty good episode, i enjoyed this one alot

im enjoying seeing wills power manifest :D

jasminaGo
November 22nd, 2008, 04:48 AM
WOW. Great twists in this ep. While before it wasn't always too hard to figure out who the bad guy/girl was, this one had me all wrapped up. Edward's dad went from the abusive husband and father, to just a guy with problems in dealing with his abnormal powers, and trying to protect his family from it all. The end wasn't something I expected either. There was no killer... Turned out to be a suicide after all...

Also loved Henry's story. Fighting to accept who he is and what he'll become. I really hope that in the future we get to see exactly how and why he ended up in Helen's care. The scene between the two of them in the library, was very touching. As was the scene between Henry and Biggie. And the one between Henry and Ashley.

For the Ashley angle. I liked how they handled it. There are still issues to be solved, but Ashley is adult, and while she is hurt, she works through it, in her own way, without letting it affect her work, or turn into a bratty kid that throws a tantrum all the time.

I'm still torn as to who took the body at the end. Was it Helen or the Cabal?

Favorite lines:
'There is such a thing as "Before my time"

Really?

Cheeky monkey.'


Lovely to see KS again. Cool nod to Stargate with the Unas. :p And amazing performances all around. Especially that kid that played Edward.

Rocky89
November 22nd, 2008, 05:34 AM
as always, i'll give my full review tomorrow. stupid getting up at 4:30am is death

this was a well done ep, but it felt like an episode of law and order or cold case, with some scifi thrown in.

Getting up that early is bad, but without you, how would they get the place started off right? ;). And yeah, it did feel like an law and order story ;).


is it wrong to want all 40 something minutes to be just helen? :p

You may get just that in Requiem http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif.


i'll read and review tomorrow. night all! ;)

I can't wait for your review :).

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 06:19 AM
how old is henry?

cause it looks like he may be almost as old as helen, going by his clothing in the flashbacks

tagger
November 22nd, 2008, 08:02 AM
I totally enjoyed this episode!!

The acting was great, the artwork was beautiful, and the story engaging.

I love that Henry has more backstory, and Ryan Robbins did a great job! :)

Were-person? Yipes. Pineal gland and pituitary gland abnormalities. Perfect. Circadian rhythm abnormalities and crazy growth/ abilities. Just what a werewolf needs hehe. :cool:

OT a bit:

I wondered in this episode and the last one (?) why the primitive brain structures are what Helen considers responsible for the next step in human evolution? I think Helen said the first brain change seen in abnormals is a change in the hypothalamus? (or thalamus, I can't remember). Either way, the thalamus and hypothalamus are some of the most "primitive" brain structures we have. The cortex, frontal lobes, etc... supposedly came later. Anyhoo, I just wonder what twists and turns Egan and Kindler have up their sleeves, and it makes me curious where they will go with this. :) Primitive is relative, I guess.

Biggie has a soft side! He was so sweet taking care of Henry and talking him down from his anxiety.

The actor playing Edward did a fantastic job!! Cool overall premise, and nice plot twists at the end.

I also liked that the cast seemed to really gel in this one - the comfort level and interactions seemed much more natural this episode.

I wasn't expecting to like this episode (don't ask me why :confused:), but I really liked the story, the acting, the whole thing.

The episodes just keep getting better!

:):)

tagger
November 22nd, 2008, 08:03 AM
how old is henry?

cause it looks like he may be almost as old as helen, going by his clothing in the flashbacks

Good question.

I need to re-watch.

ann_sgcfan
November 22nd, 2008, 08:09 AM
I totally enjoyed this episode!!

The acting was great, the artwork was beautiful, and the story engaging.

I love that Henry has more backstory, and Ryan Robbins did a great job! :)

Were-person? Yipes. Pineal gland and pituitary gland abnormalities. Perfect. Circadian rhythm abnormalities and crazy growth/ abilities. Just what a werewolf needs hehe. :cool:

OT a bit:

I wondered in this episode and the last one (?) why the primitive brain structures are what Helen considers responsible for the next step in human evolution? I think Helen said the first brain change seen in abnormals is a change in the hypothalamus? (or thalamus, I can't remember). Either way, the thalamus and hypothalamus are some of the most "primitive" brain structures we have. The cortex, frontal lobes, etc... supposedly came later. Anyhoo, I just wonder what twists and turns Egan and Kindler have up their sleeves, and it makes me curious where they will go with this. :) Primitive is relative, I guess.

Biggie has a soft side! He was so sweet taking care of Henry and talking him down from his anxiety.

The actor playing Edward did a fantastic job!! Cool overall premise, and nice plot twists at the end.

I also liked that the cast seemed to really gel in this one - the comfort level and interactions seemed much more natural this episode.

I wasn't expecting to like this episode (don't ask me why :confused:), but I really liked the story, the acting, the whole thing.

The episodes just keep getting better!

:):)

Regarding your OT comment Can the most primitive brain structure be the most easily influenced? Is that where Helen extracts the green glowy substance? :D

tagger
November 22nd, 2008, 08:11 AM
I do have to wonder who took the father's body and why? I wonder if it's the cabal?

Me too. I assumed it was the Cabal, but then again Helen was willing to work outside the legal system to protect Edward and his family.


I absolutely loved that "cheeky monkey". we (me and my sister) are compiling favourite quotes... "cheeky monkey", "few cups shy of a tea service"... I'm really looking forward to more ep's as I feel like they keep getting better...

speaking of which, we have to wait 2 weeks for a new one?!

Loved those, too. =)


That bit with Will and Helen was awesome. I love the way she said "cheeky monkey." because only someone who is Brittish can pull it off and not sound ridiculous

Unless of course, you are - Mike Myers - in a bathtub - on SNL. :D


I really don't want to wait 2 weeks for the next episode because it looks freaking amazing.

Me either! The next episode looks great!

knowles2
November 22nd, 2008, 08:27 AM
I love this ep of sanctuary, thought it was all around brilliant ep.

I love the cheeky monkey bit.

The mystery and how the suspect keep on changing as the ep went on.

The aspergers kid played brilliantly and I suspect was probably based on the real guy who as the same photographic memory drawing abilities, and makes a lot of money from it. The documentary that he appear in showed that he acted very like the actor did in the episode. Through the very beginning he may of over acted it just a bit.

The whole Henry story was interesting, I got the feeling that the butterfly analogy will come true, the human stage is his learning staging, the werewolf stage will cocoon protecting him and well who knows what the butterfly stage will. It gonna be interesting to see him evolve through all the stages, I their is a other stage after werewolf stage any way.

I loved the whole cavern panting scene at the end, let face two kids wot have any trouble earning money in the future.

MyFavoriteWraith
November 22nd, 2008, 08:30 AM
Good question.

I need to re-watch.

I watched it twice last night and I don't think there are any hints as to how long ago Helen picked up Henry. Helen said she wondered what would have happened if she had left him with "his people". He did look a little bit like a cave-boy but I'm wondering if that's because "his people" are also were-people or a group of outcasts that are (different kinds of) abnormals. Maybe they have to live that far outside of society to protect themselves. They live out on "the moors" which is generally very wild land since it isn't really habitable or a place for building villages. I'm curious now, too, but just from the way Henry behaves and from how he was talking about being human for most of his life, he seems to have been, up to now, pretty normal. So I guess I lean toward the concept that his age is true (although it's hard for me to gauge even RR's age, but I'm guessing late 30s/early 40s?). I hope we do get to see a little more of his background. And from any of you who have read the spoilers, we know he plays a cruicial part of the last episode's plot. Sounds like it might even be a cliffhanger. Can't wait!

mfw

Klenotka
November 22nd, 2008, 12:50 PM
Sanctuary has a really unique atmosphere. And the show gets better with every episode - I am glad they picked it up for S2.

I wonder why isnīt Ryan Robbins listed in the credits as one of main characters? He practically steals the show for himself in some moments.
And if Helen found him as a child - I canīt imagine how hard it has to be for her to see her "children" grow old and die. How many times in the future has this happened to her? I think it waits her also with Ashley. Itīs depressing.

I liked to see Kavan Smith again and how it looks like, he might be working with Will more often now :)

I am still wondering about Willīs "power". Itīs amazing how he can notice details and I keep asking if there isnīt something more. It is very similar to what Edward does. Everybody in the Sanctuary has some secret and it looks like Helen knows everything about everybody and doesnīt choose people randomly. I know it would be maybe too much if also Will had some power but, I saw some people thinking that since episode one so it wouldnīt be too suprising. Iīd like to see some story that would be concentrated also at him and his past (and his mother). I know theyīll get there I just...donīt like waiting :D

The actor who played Edward was great and I loved how he painted. The moving pictures in computer based on the scetches were fantastic and I think it was really original.

And I loved the Unas picture :D

We have to wait for two weeks again - itīs horrible, all shows have some kind of break, what am I gonna do? :D

hisg1fans
November 22nd, 2008, 01:14 PM
I thought that it was Helen pulling strings to get things covered up... do you think the Cabal was slowed down by the events in Rome? losing a bunch of people?

I thought it was the Cabal. I didn't think about it being Helen until somebody mentioned it on the thread. But, it could have been Helen trying to save the mother from losing her husband instead of burying him.


I hadn't really thought that it was the stargate guy passing on the pics but that's kinda funny....

if you look back to see if it's a wraith i think it was the one right after the unas on the car...

I saw the Unas right off and thought I saw a Wraith too. I wonder if all of the drawings were renditions created by Stargate for various characters, just some weren't used.


I thought it was Helen too at first, but then Will seemed genuinely surprised... and the Cabal people were in the black SUVs in another eppy... The Sanctuary has one van. So that's why I thought of the cabal the mention of multiple black vehicles .... I may be way off lol but that's my thinking for now :p

I wouldn't be surprised if Helen doesn't keep a lot of things from Will. With Helen's 'contacts' she can probably get a hold of anything she wants when she wants it. As I think about it, I'm leaning more and more toward thinking Helen took the body.


i thought it might be Helen calling in favours, or if she has friends high-up. it strikes me as likely that she would, seeing as how she's had a while to make connections...

i thought Will was not so much surprised as... well, i'm not really sure how to describe it. I thought it was going back to the discussion he and Helen had about how "one of [them] would be uncomfortable" because Helen would cover things up to protect Edward....
thoughts?

I think Helen would keep secrets from Will in a heartbeat. I don't ever see Helen being 'uncomfortable' if she can help it.


I'm still absorbing tonight's episode. ...

I was a tad disappointed that there wasn't more between Helen and Ashley about Ashley finding out who her father was. I thought that was skipped over lightly and there should have been a bit more - but I'm sure that will come in later episodes.

There was a lot there. I need to watch again. Maybe that was why there so little of Ashley/Helen.


how old is henry?

cause it looks like he may be almost as old as helen, going by his clothing in the flashbacks


I watched it twice last night and I don't think there are any hints as to how long ago Helen picked up Henry. Helen said she wondered what would have happened if she had left him with "his people". He did look a little bit like a cave-boy but I'm wondering if that's because "his people" are also were-people or a group of outcasts that are (different kinds of) abnormals. Maybe they have to live that far outside of society to protect themselves. They live out on "the moors" which is generally very wild land since it isn't really habitable or a place for building villages. I'm curious now, too, but just from the way Henry behaves and from how he was talking about being human for most of his life, he seems to have been, up to now, pretty normal. So I guess I lean toward the concept that his age is true (although it's hard for me to gauge even RR's age, but I'm guessing late 30s/early 40s?). I hope we do get to see a little more of his background. And from any of you who have read the spoilers, we know he plays a cruicial part of the last episode's plot. Sounds like it might even be a cliffhanger. Can't wait!

mfw

I thought the 'growing up in the wild' idea rather than being really old. Although it may be some of both. Has there been a trend of abnormals having a much longer life span? The show may be too new to tell yet.

As to the thalamus/hypothalamus discussion, those two parts may be primitive, but have they changed over time? Or have we just grown new parts?

Great episode!!! Lots to think about and look forward to :)

EH-T
November 22nd, 2008, 02:36 PM
I was out so I watched this episode very late when I got home. I'll watch it again before posting further but just wanted to say "cheeky monkey" is my favourite new saying. :)

majorsal
November 22nd, 2008, 04:58 PM
Getting up that early is bad, but without you, how would they get the plave started off right? ;). And yeah, it did feel like an law and order story ;).



you made me look up 'plave'. :p

it's 'place', right?




The actor playing Edward did a fantastic job!!

yes he did! ;)


I wasn't expecting to like this episode (don't ask me why :confused:), but I really liked the story, the acting, the whole thing.

i wasn't either, because i don't like stories about autistic ppl. my brother's autistic and it's just a sore spot. but this worked fine for me.




The aspergers kid played brilliantly and I suspect was probably based on the real guy who as the same photographic memory drawing abilities, and makes a lot of money from it. The documentary that he appear in showed that he acted very like the actor did in the episode.

i thought of that too. i saw the story on '60 minutes' or something.



I am still wondering about Willīs "power". Itīs amazing how he can notice details and I keep asking if there isnīt something more. It is very similar to what Edward does. Everybody in the Sanctuary has some secret and it looks like Helen knows everything about everybody and doesnīt choose people randomly. I know it would be maybe too much if also Will had some power but, I saw some people thinking that since episode one so it wouldnīt be too suprising. Iīd like to see some story that would be concentrated also at him and his past (and his mother). I know theyīll get there I just...donīt like waiting :D

the way they're highlighting will seeing/focusing on stuff made my mom think he's psychic. i had to tell her that the writers are just showing how will picks up on things, not that he's got a special power. am i right?



k, my review...

i liked this ep, but i can't say i loved it. it was totally well done, that goes without a doubt, but it just felt too 'law and order' or 'cold case' in hightlighting children and the horrible things happening to them. but the scifi twist pushed it into a place a bit more comfortable for me.

the plusses:

* "there is such a thing as 'before my time'" and "cheeky monkey"!! :p

* the helen-ashley shooting rang scene. it was cool seeing them doing their target practice (tough women!:p), but it's the conversation that i loved.

so ashley's have probs with mom? i think it was bad enough that she'd been lied to, but what's sticking in ash's craw is that mom wasn't the one to tell her the truth. i like that statement, for it's realism and where it could take the storyline.

* the scene where edward goes into the elevator and sees childhenry and then what henry might look like as a total abnormal.

i was thinking that edward was just picking up vibes or a type of residue of henry, so i was very surprised to see that henry was in the elevator with him. i REALLY liked the way it was filmed too. the edward actor did great with it (being scared, but not being able like the rest of us of vocalizing his fears), and henry... i think i cringed when i saw that henry was there. he was just standing their quietly to himself, but the camera showed this very sorry and sad look on his face... i can't remember the actor's name that plays henry, but he did a great job in this scene. he looked so sad and alone. :( (((henry)))

* i didn't know who was the real guilty party, so i'm glad that out of all the ideas i'd had, i was wrong. i like being suprised. :)

but i'll tell you, i thought for a moment, edward was the bad guy. the scene where helen and will are talking to him, but the other scene is henry smelling the clothing... i don't know, but i suddenly expected to find out that edward wasn't what we thought he was, and was, infact, the real monster here. but like i said, i'm glad i was wrong.

* seeing the images robbie made. very beautiful.


okay, some questions:

what exactly was wrong with edward, robbie, and the dad?

what was the mom trying to hide from the police? why not let them believe the dad killed himself?


i'm SUPER looking forward to 'requiem'!! :D



sally :D

jckfan55
November 22nd, 2008, 05:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Helen doesn't keep a lot of things from Will. With Helen's 'contacts' she can probably get a hold of anything she wants when she wants it. As I think about it, I'm leaning more and more toward thinking Helen took the body.




I think Helen would keep secrets from Will in a heartbeat.
I'm with you. It could very well be Helen. Especially since we didn't see Will tell Magnus--hey, someone took the body! ;)




I thought the 'growing up in the wild' idea rather than being really old.
Yeah, I don't think it was implied that Henry's old. i didn't see his clothes really well, but they seemed to be "wild man"/"raised by wolves" garments if you will. :)

I love how we get bits of backstory in the episodes. it definitely leaves me wanting to see more. Ashley in a stroller, Helen finding henry on the moors...
good stuff.

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
November 22nd, 2008, 05:08 PM
Will's power or what not reminds me of how they portray Shawn Spencer's on Psych. Able to notice details no-one else can and apparently photographic recall of said details. Although Will doesn't play his ability off as being a psychic to great comedic effect.

EvenstarSRV
November 22nd, 2008, 05:28 PM
okay, some questions:

what exactly was wrong with edward, robbie, and the dad?

what was the mom trying to hide from the police? why not let them believe the dad killed himself?

I think all three had Edward's extreme photographic memory, as well as the 'dark' side of the power, which seemed to be shooting some kind of laser beam out of their eyes when agitated/angry. The father seemed to have the least control of his power, or his temper, so he was prone to laser eyes more often, leading him to lock himself up.

I think the mom put the shotgun into the father's hands because he'd fired it by heating the barrel instead of pulling the trigger, so she may have thought that it would look more like a homicide and less like a suicide if he wasn't holding the gun.



i'm SUPER looking forward to 'requiem'!! :D


Me too! :)

Amalthea
November 22nd, 2008, 08:01 PM
I thought this was another great episode!

I was a little surprised at Henry's backstory, since I get confused with the webisodes a little sometimes. I feel bad for the guy, though, changing into something big and scary like that. It will have to be a slow physical change, though, or they're going to totally lose the actor based on what Edward saw.

Loved the Unas and the Wraith in the drawings!

I feel so bad for Ashley and Helen, though. They have so much to work through and Ash is so angry. What's worse is that Ashley completely understands her mom's motives, so it seems, but it still hurts. There's a lot of work for them to do.

Chelle DB
November 23rd, 2008, 02:35 AM
I thought this was another great episode!
Loved the Unas and the Wraith in the drawings!
I too loved this episode...but I kinda wish they hadn't popped that picture of the Unas in there...I would love to se it steer as clear from Stargate as possible. I didn't notice the Wraith picture but will re watch this ep sometime this week and will keep on eye peeled for it!
This is what I had posted in the Sanctuary forums...
Re: "cheeky monkey"...Hehe...when I heard her say that I was like..."Hey!! That's my line!!!".How cool!!
I loved the episode "Edward". I loved the acting by all the cast...the mother and the boys...awesome!!
I wonder though...when the beam thing hut Helen's jacket...it was obviously burning through...do you think it would have burned her skin? She did jump a bot...but was that through concern of the possibility of being hurt or the burn making contact with her?? Just a thought is all.
I hope we do get to see more about where Henry came from and what his family are and how Helen found him.
I have to admit...I love how this ep had you thinking one thing one moment and then another soon after...like was it abuse or was it protection....and fro who or what???
I loved that it didn't divulge everything right off and you think it's going to go one way then it veers off and takes you on a totally different way!
I loved the end.
I can't wait to see Requiem...holy mackerel...that preview is wicked!!! Pity it's only going to go for the hour...I'd love for that one to be a two parter!!
Overall...I'm excellently pleased and will no doubt sleep well tonight...I hope!!

Chelle DB
November 23rd, 2008, 02:49 AM
I was just thinking...when Will said..."If the father was an abnormal, he'd probably pass it on to Edward"...I fully expected Ashley to react differently...maybe look accusingly toward Helen or something! Ashley has to wonder if she has any abnormal traits in her...but they haven't addressed that yet...I hope they don't dilly daddle on that.

runnerX
November 23rd, 2008, 03:57 AM
I was wondering how much time will take for Amanda in order to make references to stargate. In this episode i saw the first: UNAS. :D

Swiss
November 23rd, 2008, 06:28 AM
Great episode. They are getting better and better every week!

When I first saw Edward's mum I kind of had the feeling that this actress is related to Amanda. They looked similar. Did someone have this feeling too?

Celandine
November 23rd, 2008, 08:03 AM
Just finished watching and have to admit I loved it but what else is new? :P

Lots of issues in this one that only makes you want to return to see how they are dealt with in latter eps such as Helen and Ashley's relationship and Henry's change. What I loved about this one is seeing that abbys have a hidden, unseen side that most don't notice at first glance. Most see these hideous 'monsters', but if you look closer there's also a side that can be a benefit as well. Henry struggled with this himself and found that hidden part of him that I can't wait to see him use later to help others more with and the Sanctuary. :)

EH-T
November 23rd, 2008, 10:25 AM
Enjoyed this episode very much. I lot of what I have to say will repeat other comments but I'm too lazy to be multi-quoting!

Thought the guest cast did a wonderful job. Both the actor who played Edward and actress who played the mother were excellent.

Loved Helen, as always. Love her sense of humour (there is such a thing as before my time) and, as I said before, I loved "cheeky monkey". Great scene between her and Ashley. Shows how very much they care for one another and hilarious that this important discussion takes place on the firing range! So Helen/Ashley! I really like the way Ashley is handling the news. My only quibble is that I was expecting a little more about it beyond the one scene. I hope we continue to see them dealing with it.

I also loved the Helen/Henry scenes. Felt so sorry for Henry and love Helen's compassion for him. Beautiful. So Helen has cared for Henry since he was a child and had an experience with Will when he was a child. I guess that kills the urge to ship her with either of them (jckfan will be happy :)) as it would be just too creepy!

The drawings were fabulous. Hope we get to see who did them or how the were done on the DVD extras. I thought the Unas drawing was a nice inside joke.

Love Bigfoot's continued care/concern for Henry but also that he clips him in the back of the head like a big brother.

Loved seeing Kavan again. I hope he continues to appear from time to time.

Liked how the story unfolded and that, in the end, it was a suicide. Nice "twist". Really like how the drawings revealed the story.

I agree it is the Cabal who took the body. I hope we get some payoff with the Cabal before the end of season 1.

Really looking forward to the next episode! Why do we have to wait two weeks? Is there some special programming on for the American Thanksgiving weekend?

A Mal Doran
November 23rd, 2008, 02:47 PM
Just a little tidbit, but did anyone else notice if when Henry had his flashback of attacking the dragon creature, his nipple piercings suddenly disappeared? I could have sworn they did but perhaps I was simply seeing things (or NOT seeing things!)

Not that I was looking! :D

Yes, I noticed a "now you see the nipple rings, now you don't." I was wondering why they disappeared, too.

I was startled when I saw them, because I started thinking, do those rings say more about Ryan Robbins' personal life, or is this something that his character would have?

I thought it was an odd choice to leave the rings, if they really were Ryan Robbins. I thought it kind of ruined the effect of what he had just transformed into. "Does that werewolf really have nipple rings?" is not the first question you want your audience to be thinking.

A Mal Doran
November 23rd, 2008, 03:38 PM
Really looking forward to the next episode! Why do we have to wait two weeks? Is there some special programming on for the American Thanksgiving weekend?

Yes, most people don't watch much TV during Thanksgiving because of so much travelling and because a lot of families get together and watch football, some simple family 'G' rated family fare, or nothing at all.

I have spent many Thanksgivings with a football game on in the background while we work on puzzles, play card or board games, or just chat.

It would be a waste of a new episode to have it air during Thanksgiving. Same thing for Labor Day weekend, Memorial Day weekend, etc.

I noticed that SciFi is airing a "Mork and Mindy" rerun this coming Friday. Nothing like showing a TV classic over 30 years old to say no one will be watching.

MyFavoriteWraith
November 23rd, 2008, 06:20 PM
Yes, I noticed a "now you see the nipple rings, now you don't." I was wondering why they disappeared, too.

I was startled when I saw them, because I started thinking, do those rings say more about Ryan Robbins' personal life, or is this something that his character would have?

I thought it was an odd choice to leave the rings, if they really were Ryan Robbins. I thought it kind of ruined the effect of what he had just transformed into. "Does that werewolf really have nipple rings?" is not the first question you want your audience to be thinking.

Nah, they were there. I checked...and I checked again. Just to be sure, ya know? :o

It doesn't bother me a bit that they kept Ryan's body piercings in the shot. (You can see them in The Guard, too.) So many people of my generation have body piercing and tattoos (including myself) that it doesn't really indicate a lifestyle choice to me anymore. They probably won't even mention it in the show. Kinda like when a show returns after a season and a actor/character has a new haircut or color. Unless that hair features prominently in the show, what's the point in mentioning it? And a werewolf with nipple and belly rings? They're flying in the face of tradition as far as most of these "monsters" go, anyway. Bring it on! :D

mfw

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2008, 06:28 PM
or, maybe he wore the rings hoping that the silver would stop his change, when it didn't work, he took them out?

majorsal
November 23rd, 2008, 07:13 PM
I was wondering how much time will take for Amanda in order to make references to stargate. In this episode i saw the first: UNAS. :D

i missed the unas and the wraith! :p

can someone post the pics of these creatures from 'edward'?

Celandine
November 23rd, 2008, 07:37 PM
Yes, most people don't watch much TV during Thanksgiving because of so much travelling and because a lot of families get together and watch football, some simple family 'G' rated family fare, or nothing at all.

I have spent many Thanksgivings with a football game on in the background while we work on puzzles, play card or board games, or just chat.

It would be a waste of a new episode to have it air during Thanksgiving. Same thing for Labor Day weekend, Memorial Day weekend, etc.

I noticed that SciFi is airing a "Mork and Mindy" rerun this coming Friday. Nothing like showing a TV classic over 30 years old to say no one will be watching.

meh....not everybody gets together and has their little 'storybook' family holiday times. Depends then who your asking if it's a 'waste' to air new episodes during these times. Personally, I just wish I could fast forward all holidays till next year all ready.

jasminaGo
November 24th, 2008, 01:36 AM
i missed the unas and the wraith! :p

can someone post the pics of these creatures from 'edward'?

Here you go Sal

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/jasminaGo/Sanctuary/Season%201/08%20Edward/bscap0064.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/jasminaGo/Sanctuary/Season%201/08%20Edward/bscap0066.jpg

And if anyone is interested, over 470 caps free for use
08 Edward.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/72777038/dba495a5/08_Edward.html)

Egle01
November 24th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Another great ep. Actually there's hasn't been a bad one so far. ;) All the other thoughts have been said already.

I noticed the Unas, but not the Wraith. Of course now looking at those holes in the face and teeth, I see it.

jckfan55
November 24th, 2008, 10:18 AM
meh....not everybody gets together and has their little 'storybook' family holiday times. Depends then who your asking if it's a 'waste' to air new episodes during these times. Personally, I just wish I could fast forward all holidays till next year all ready.

I like something to watch other than football once the turkey coma hits. :D

MyFavoriteWraith
November 24th, 2008, 10:31 AM
I like something to watch other than football once the turkey coma hits. :D

My family likes to watch Star Wars (original trilogy) after holiday meals. That way we don't miss anything we haven't already seen and we don't have to worry about what the kids are watching as we zonk out in the easy chairs when the tryptophan hits. :P

mfw

Celandine
November 24th, 2008, 01:55 PM
I like something to watch other than football once the turkey coma hits. :D

I think the problem is that on Friday when Sanctuary would normally air, people are engrossed in the black Friday ritual of after-Thanksgiving shopping and those 'out of towner's' probably wouldnt think it polite to sneak away from granny's couch to wrap themselves up in the tv for an hour. *shrug*

LizzieAnne
November 25th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Loved this episode. Everything worked so well. The best so far IMO...although I've yet to see the Five as I watched this one out of order.

Yep I noticed the Unas but not the Wraith...:P

About the body and files disappearing at the end....Did anyone notice that the clothing which Will and Henry were looking at ( and which Henry used for tracking) came out of a Police dept box. The same logo on the container that held the photos that Joe Kavanaugh had in the car.... So Helen does have connections at the Police Dept. it seems.

EvenstarSRV
November 25th, 2008, 02:21 PM
About the body and files disappearing at the end....Did anyone notice that the clothing which Will and Henry were looking at ( and which Henry used for tracking) came out of a Police dept box. The same logo on the container that held the photos that Joe Kavanaugh had in the car.... So Helen does have connections at the Police Dept. it seems.

Wow, good catch. I look for that next time I watch the episode. :)

I think it was Kavanaugh who gave Will the box with the boy's clothing when Will met up with him near the end to return the file, so I don't think Helen was involved in obtaining the clothing for Will and Henry to look through.

Still, I'm pretty sure Helen does have her own contacts all over the city, including the police department. She seems to know the coroner who let her examine the bodies in the pilot, and she was able to get access to the security camera feed in Folding Man.

jckfan55
November 25th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Still, I'm pretty sure Helen does have her own contacts all over the city, including the police department. She seems to know the coroner who let her examine the bodies in the pilot, and she was able to get access to the security camera feed in Folding Man.

Yeah, I wonder if they'll ever explain that. It's interesting how they pass off the Sanctuary as a private institute. Clearly people know about it, but not quite what it is either. I liked that touch about renovating the south? Tower in the episode. Must have been interesting to be a contractor on that job. :D

LizzieAnne
November 25th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Wow, good catch. I look for that next time I watch the episode. :)

I think it was Kavanaugh who gave Will the box with the boy's clothing when Will met up with him near the end to return the file, so I don't think Helen was involved in obtaining the clothing for Will and Henry to look through.

Oh I hadn't realised that. I'll check that out when I watch again. This time on TV :P



Still, I'm pretty sure Helen does have her own contacts all over the city, including the police department. She seems to know the coroner who let her examine the bodies in the pilot, and she was able to get access to the security camera feed in Folding Man.

Good point.

EvenstarSRV
November 25th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Yeah, I wonder if they'll ever explain that. It's interesting how they pass off the Sanctuary as a private institute. Clearly people know about it, but not quite what it is either. I liked that touch about renovating the south? Tower in the episode. Must have been interesting to be a contractor on that job. :D

LOL. Yeah, I can imagine the workers looking through the window and seeing Big Foot stroll by, or even coming to serve them refreshments. 'Scone?' :D

dasNdanger
November 27th, 2008, 06:12 PM
Here you go Sal

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/jasminaGo/Sanctuary/Season%201/08%20Edward/bscap0064.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/jasminaGo/Sanctuary/Season%201/08%20Edward/bscap0066.jpg

And if anyone is interested, over 470 caps free for use
08 Edward.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/72777038/dba495a5/08_Edward.html)

Thing about that picture of the Wraith...when I first saw it, it did not register as a Wraith, instead, I exclaimed - 'that's Dan Payne!' Kinda sad that I identify Dan, not as the handsome fella that he is, but as the nasty uberWraith from Sateda.

das

Briangate78
November 27th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Damn this show...

For getting better and better!! :p

EvenstarSRV
November 28th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Just rewatching Edward today and I'm really liking director Brenton Spencer's work in the episode, I hope they can get him to direct more in season 2.

I loved the opening scene, starting from the close up of the mother, to the dead father, to the son on the bed, laying out the crime scene without any need for dialog.

In the Helen/Ashley shooting range scene, I loved the short canted angle shot when Helen is trying to get Ashley to talk to her. I also liked that when cutting between both women during their conversation, Helen and Ashley are both on the same side of the frame, while usually these back and forths are shot with the characters on the opposite sides to fill in the blank space beside them.

I thought it was a neat way of showing the deep bond between mother and daughter, that they're still on the same side, even as they have this confrontational scene together. Or it's just the amateur film critic in me over-analyzing things (I knew I was going to regret taking that film criticism class). :o :)

jckfan55
November 29th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Just rewatching Edward today and I'm really liking director Brenton Spencer's work in the episode, I hope they can get him to direct more in season 2.

I loved the opening scene, starting from the close up of the mother, to the dead father, to the son on the bed, laying out the crime scene without any need for dialog.

In the Helen/Ashley shooting range scene, I loved the short canted angle shot when Helen is trying to get Ashley to talk to her. I also liked that when cutting between both women during their conversation, Helen and Ashley are both on the same side of the frame, while usually these back and forths are shot with the characters on the opposite sides to fill in the blank space beside them.

I thought it was a neat way of showing the deep bond between mother and daughter, that they're still on the same side, even as they have this confrontational scene together. Or it's just the amateur film critic in me over-analyzing things (I knew I was going to regret taking that film criticism class). :o :)

No, I think you're right. I didn't consciously think about it that way, but it did feel in character that they'd have the discussion in that setting. A good film maker imho will use such techniques in a way that doesn't jump out at you (unless you're a film student ;) ) but helps convey the message and tell the story visually. Whether intentional or not, it went nicely with the previous episode's hands across the divide moment.

meredithchandler73
December 1st, 2008, 10:35 PM
I am *so* loving Sanctuary! This was a wonderful episode.

--The "before my time" and "cheeky monkey" lines were hilarious.
--Interesting that Helen took Henry in as a child. For those that don't know the webisodes, it was briefly mentioned that Henry's ancestor (great grandfather?) was Helen's first weapons specialist and the idea was that Henry got the job through nepotism. I didn't think about it then, but changing the story to Henry being a foundling brings up an interesting notion - the people that Helen works with or has worked with in the past - they can't necessarily tell their families about what is going on at the Sanctuary. How would they know that their spouse/kids could be trusted with the secret? It made me think of parallels in Stargate - friends and loved ones don't know what any of them really do.
--Speaking of Stargate, I liked those little touches of the drawings of the Unas (which I did notice right away) and the Wraith (which went quickly enough for me that I thought - was that a Wraith? and then didn't think about it when it was gone). I have no problem with inside jokes. The executive producers/creators of the show are all from the Stargate family - for many years, no less. It wouldn't be the first show (scifi or otherwise) to have in-jokes. And to reference another webisode moment - there were some lines in the 4th webisode about jello. All the Sam Carter fans out there know that was for us.
--Wonderful performances all around. I liked how they handled the Helen/Ashley scene. I'm glad it wasn't totally resolved, but I'm also glad that Ashley sees Helen's side of things and can understand it. Oh yeah - and these two women on the shooting range - AWESOME.
--Very nice twist that the father actually killed himself. I was sure it was Edward that killed him, then I was sure Robbie did it.
--As for who retrieved the father's body - I felt sure that Helen arranged for it to be taken. She absolutely *must* have friends involved in law enforcement and other areas - there's no way she could be running the Sanctuary without having friends pulling strings. And the way Helen was talking to Will about doing whatever necessary to protect Edward and his mother, it sounds like she's had to step in and protect abnormals before.
--Love Henry's decision to stick it out and learn more about his "gift" instead of trying surgery to make him normal.

Mousie
December 2nd, 2008, 02:33 AM
Another episode I loved, as others have said I enjoyed the cheeky monkey line.

I loved Helen's necklace, the one she wore at the beginning and end of the ep.

Mousie
December 2nd, 2008, 03:57 AM
Yeah, I wonder if they'll ever explain that. It's interesting how they pass off the Sanctuary as a private institute. Clearly people know about it, but not quite what it is either. I liked that touch about renovating the south? Tower in the episode. Must have been interesting to be a contractor on that job. :D

I would imagine that the work was probably carried out by a building company run by abnormals! It might be too much of a risk to let 'normals' on the ground for too long, it wouldn't be fair to the Sanctuaryarians to tell them all that they had to keep out of sight of any windows ect for however long the renovations took.

SG13-NightOps
December 2nd, 2008, 10:05 PM
Just a random tidbit I am not sure anyone else mentioned.

The Unas is from the episode "Enemy Mine" - which is the episode that introduced Major Lorne.

majorsal
December 2nd, 2008, 10:34 PM
after a new 'house' episode -SO loving the house/cuddy ship!:D- i decided to watch 'edward' again.

it's really a very good episode. great acting all around. ;)

my fave scene, though, was when edward entered the elevator and seeing a wild child and then monster, it's revealed that it's really henry. the direction and acting was very well done.


i feel like we're getting all these different flavors of what sanctuary's all about. this might have been of the cold case/law and order taste, but with the unique sanctuary spice. (how's that for metaphors?:p)

EvenstarSRV
December 2nd, 2008, 11:28 PM
No, I think you're right. I didn't consciously think about it that way, but it did feel in character that they'd have the discussion in that setting. A good film maker imho will use such techniques in a way that doesn't jump out at you (unless you're a film student ;) ) but helps convey the message and tell the story visually. Whether intentional or not, it went nicely with the previous episode's hands across the divide moment.

Heh, some days I kinda wish I were a film student, but I just took that one class. Still, it has changed how I watch TV/movies now, shot angles, lenses, editing techniques all jump out at me more than they used to. In the opening scene, one of my first reactions to the close-up of the mother was 'cool longs lens shot'. :o


after a new 'house' episode -SO loving the house/cuddy ship!:D- i decided to watch 'edward' again.

it's really a very good episode. great acting all around. ;)

my fave scene, though, was when edward entered the elevator and seeing a wild child and then monster, it's revealed that it's really henry. the direction and acting was very well done.

I really liked that elevator scene with Edward and Henry too. I thought it was interesting that the direction was kinda similar to the opening scene (the birds-eye shot panning across the crime scene from the mother to Edward), and then a similar shot panning across the elevator from Edward to Henry. Not sure what it may mean, but I'll try to think of something when I'm not this sleepy. :)



i feel like we're getting all these different flavors of what sanctuary's all about. this might have been of the cold case/law and order taste, but with the unique sanctuary spice. (how's that for metaphors?:p)

Nice metaphor! I like to think of it as different threads that make up the fabric of the Sanctuary world, but flavors works too. :)

I do really enjoy the fact we're getting slightly different kind of of tone in the episode each week. Kush had mystery with the monster, Nubbins had the comedic effect of the nubbins, The Five had the action and mythology, and Edward had more of a crime-solving tone like Folding Man.

It looks like Requiem will have a mystery tone like Kush, but this time Magnus really gets to go crazy. :D

Matt G
December 5th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Hmmm...

1. Interesting to see the AS guy, felt slightly overdone but then again he was in a very unusual situation so I'll let that pass.

2. Liked the two sides of the same ability.

3. Henry's story is interesting.

4. Black SUVs picking up corpse. Cabal, has to be!

Well it beat's Atlantis's Brain Storm at least! ;)

AtlantisRules!!!
March 27th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Did anyone notice that, when lookin at Eddy's drawings, one of them was an Unas?

jasminaGo
March 27th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Did anyone notice that, when lookin at Eddy's drawings, one of them was an Unas?

Yup, and also one of them was the Wraith from Sateda.

:)

AtlantisRules!!!
March 27th, 2009, 05:31 PM
Yup, and also one of them was the Wraith from Sateda.

:)

ooh.. didn't see that one.

jasminaGo
March 27th, 2009, 05:44 PM
ooh.. didn't see that one.

I did notice it first either. :p But he's there...

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/jasmina_Go/Sanctuary/Season%2001/08%20Edward/bscap0066.jpg

Tachyon
February 14th, 2010, 07:27 AM
This was the best episode I've seen so far. Great writing, brilliant acting, good story with a twist in the end. :)

Kyarra
February 15th, 2010, 05:45 PM
I watched this episode for the first (and 2nd) time today, and I have to say that they just keep getting better and better. I won't repeat what everyone has already said about how good it was, but I will say that I completely agree! :) Can't wait to see the next one!

Noxbait
May 25th, 2010, 06:12 PM
Late comer to Sanctuary here...But I had to post how much I loved the Unas picture! Awesome! I knew it right away...Chaka!!!! Gotta love the subtleties

Samantha.Majka
June 4th, 2010, 11:23 AM
When I saw this episode at the first time, I was like : Oh, ok, it was good.
But when I saw it second time I was like : Oh, I like it. They did a great job.
I think that this story was well written and played.

JanSam
July 29th, 2012, 05:58 PM
I'm not sure why but I always liked this episode. Perhaps it was because it explored a medical condition that we don't fully understand. I like how Helen informs Will that she will hold things back from the Police if it protects the abnormals from the injustice because they are misunderstood. I'm glad they brought back Kavan's character.

Poor Henry! Tough decision for him to make when he was afraid of what he would become and if he would endanger those he loved. Great scene between Helen and Henry and Biggie and Henry.

They touched on Ashley's anger with Helen but then after this it is pretty much dropped.....how unfortunate.

Skydiver
July 31st, 2012, 05:20 PM
edward....we get to see cavanaugh again, YAY, and looking fantastically scruffy.
we get a hint of post rome fallout...which they then drop. missed opportunity as far as i'm concerned.

we get some insight into Henry, that helen adopted him (far change from his 'nepotism rocks' 'my granddad was the magnus' original weapons smith' origin)

I like the mystery, the fact that there was no simple villian, just a father trying to protect his kids, a wife trying to protect her family, a kid trying to survive. and we also get to see a fatal weakness of 'hiding abnormals'....people like Glen that could be getting help struggle to fix things on their own.

we also see some great themes....afraid of one's self. Ash is afraid of what she may be, may have inherited. Henry is afraid of his inner abby self (So has he been living on diazapam for years?). We see Biggie's peace with himself and what he is (not like he can hide it like Henry can)

with every gift comes a curse

I found it a nice solid episode. The hints of the cabal go largely unnoticed and we do get confirmation of Magnus' attitude...use resources when she can, but on her terms.

NumberSix
August 2nd, 2012, 11:41 AM
Pretty good episode. Liked how the dad first came across as a violent loser, until we learned what was really going on.
Finally learn a little more about Henry.

blueray
August 9th, 2012, 07:48 AM
i really like this episode, i just wish we got more of a henry flashback episode. i like how henry's story fits in with the main story. and how both edward and henry are dealing with inner abnormal ablitities.