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GateWorld
November 7th, 2008, 06:19 PM
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Helen connects with an old friend in Rome, only to learn that he is being hunted by the Cabal. While Will investigates a bizarre incident at the Sanctuary, John Druitt abducts Ashley and reveals his history with her mother.

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Skydiver
November 14th, 2008, 07:48 PM
ooh, vampires

and how helen got to be as she is

lirenel
November 14th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Liked the episode, but I'm a little confused. What's Henry's abnormality? Being able to survive jumping through windows? I think I blinked and missed it.

SamJackShipper93
November 14th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Me too! I'm not sure what he was, but it seemed like he kinda had a furry/dark coat that disappeared after he tackled the monster (Who by the way, simply slithered off outside. Wonder what happened to it!)

Haha, the Vampires reminded me of the Wraith! :P

I was glad that this was the first ep where I thought all of the characters were used to their full extent. Everyone was used, and had a good amount of screen-time. Nice character work for Henry, and I can't wait to see how Ashley's going to react in the next ep, knowing that John's her father.

Edit: Oops! Just watched the ep again! Must have missed the first time they said that they tracked the monster after it escaped! That explains everything! :o

ann_sgcfan
November 14th, 2008, 08:21 PM
There was a lot of info in this episode! :D I have lots of questions... lol so have to see it again in an hour. Everyone was busy in this episode and I really liked all three story lines. So Helen, John, Watson, Nichola, and forgot the other guy are part of the Five... very interesting! I loved the end. I was thinking Ashley wasn't going to take Helen's hand. You could see the emotions/turmoil on both of their faces... great scene. Great EPISODE!

EDIT saw the 2nd airing and the parts I missed:
I thought Nichola lended well to Helen being "sexy and unapologetic" - lol but apparently she has her standards :D Cool that Helen created the serum. She wasn't a student and yet the men that make up the Five, along with Helen, were enrolled and trusted her. Just the fact that they included her as one of the brightest scientists, when the school prohibited women from enrolling ... well advanced for their time.

The Sane John is very appealing! I can see Why Helen fell for him. Have to wonder, like others, if it will last?? I just have this feeling it will not .... Should be some interesting Helen & John .... John & Ashley ... Helen & Ashley scenes coming up!! :D

Infernorhythm
November 14th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Christopher Heyerdahl ws in top form in this episode. Great acting skills. Loved his scenes with Ashley. Oh, and "Hello Nichola" was simply awesome.

The Henry bit was interesting. Was he like Bigfoot? I saw a bunch of fur for a split second but I wasn't entirely sure.

JanSam
November 14th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Liked the episode, but I'm a little confused. What's Henry's abnormality? Being able to survive jumping through windows? I think I blinked and missed it.

Clearest cap I could get...it happens so fast so don't blink.

Don't look if you don't want to know.

Looks to me that our beloved Henry is a werewolf :cool:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/249/sonatavolume0zx4.jpg

Great episode! Everyone did a awesome job. I didn't want the episode to end.

ann_sgcfan
November 14th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Christopher Heyerdahl ws in top form in this episode. Great acting skills. Loved his scenes with Ashley. Oh, and "Hello Nichola" was simply awesome.

The Henry bit was interesting. Was he like Bigfoot? I saw a bunch of fur for a split second but I wasn't entirely sure.

Yeah Chris does a wonderful job as John. I really like all the characters! I wonder what had the calming effect on John? He said Ashley could explain... did I miss something (which is possible phone call during one of Ashley/John scenes.)

I think we find out more about Henry next week, but yeah kinda reminded me of Bigfoot. Should be good episode next week as well!

the fifth man
November 14th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Really good episode tonight. It is nice to have some answers come forward. I loved the vampire thing, Christopher Heyerdahl is simply amazing as John (actually, he's amazing in pretty much every role), and Henry got a whole lot more interesting. I think he is definitely a werewolf.

Infernorhythm
November 14th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Clearest cap I could get...it happens so fast so don't blink.

Don't look if you don't want to know.

Looks to me that our beloved Henry is a werewolf :cool:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/249/sonatavolume0zx4.jpg

Great episode! Everyone did a awesome job. I didn't want the episode to end.
Sounds about right. It would be an interesting dynamic. The question is, what about the moon?


Yeah Chris does a wonderful job as John. I really like all the characters! I wonder what had the coming effect on John? He said Ashley could explain... did I miss something (which is possible phone call during one of Ashley/John scenes.)

I think we find out more about Henry next week, but yeah kinda reminded me of Bigfoot. Should be good episode next week as well!
Helen was confused about John being alive (her blood was supposed to have crippled him). As John explained to Ashely, Nichola rescued and tended to John. He said that his rage had died off in his recovery, so I guess he had an epiphany.

dasNdanger
November 14th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Loved this episode...

Loved seeing Druitt's softer side...though I suspect it won't last.

Loved learning about The Five, and that Helen was part of it. Tells us a little about her, eh? A real risk-taker...perhaps a bit dark herself.

Loved Ashley realizing who her daddy was - I liked that she figured it out, without John telling her (under the circumstances). See, he needed her help, and knew that telling her would blow her mind and probably make her lash out at him more. Smart man to not pull out his 'secret weapon', but to have Ashley realize it herself, without him around.

Henry - with nipple and bellybutton peircings. :S I actually found it kinda...hot. :o I think he was a sort of werewolf (it would fit into the vampire theme of the ep). I hope they don't kill him off, I really like Henry lots.

The vampires - yeah, in some ways (the raised hand, for instance), they reminded me of Wraith...and their argument that humans are no better than vampires reminded me of - me. :o But they were not beautiful like Wraith, and certainly not nearly as regal. Gimme Wraith any day! :D

And Bigfoot - LOVED him! Chris is totally blowing my mind in this show, especially now as he's beginning to have more development as Bigfoot...some entertaining moments with him in this one.

Still a lot to absorb - need to watch it again!

das

majorsal
November 14th, 2008, 08:54 PM
i came online today about 3 something, only to realize i didn't have internet. so i worked on it, worked on it, called my cable company, brought my modem in to get another, set that up, didn't work, called again and was told that many ppl in my city were suffering from the same prob, it would prob be fixed in 2 hours, wasn't, watched 'nubbins' :D, am watching 'ghost whisperer', messed with some stuff again to reconnect, the connection came back, not sure if it was me or the cable company suddenly fixing prob...

which all leads to me coming online (FINALLY!), but i'm afraid to read too many reviews because i want to be surprised... :p

so one hour and 12 minutes till i see 'the five'!! :D

ann_sgcfan
November 14th, 2008, 09:23 PM
I still wonder who controls the cabal? I was thinking it was the Five lol of course it still could be. We at least know 2 of the 5 are ruled out. :p But looking forward to learning that... I kinda like that there are now 2 groups of baddies for Sanctuary to worry about beyond the normal daily chaos running of the Sanctuary. Leaves lots of fun for our characters! :p

Phenix
November 14th, 2008, 09:38 PM
this is the best TV show around. This ep was amazing.

naamiaiset
November 14th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Chris Heyerdahl is exceptional as Druitt, but Emilie's (Ashley) acting still bothers me. :S Overall though, great episode!

Rocky89
November 14th, 2008, 10:18 PM
OK, I finally just watch The Five-- finally, and :samanime24: that was a wicked episode. It started out with a "Previously on Sanctuary" with Helen saying the words, and we see clips from the pilot, and Fata Morgana, then we find Helen at a museum or something, I wasn't really paying attention, I was more focused on a certain brunette beauty :samanime20:. Anyway, she gets a note from someone, saying she'll get killed in 3 minutes, and at the bottom it said PS: "You look hot", and I had to very much agree with that part of the note :samanime51:. She walks out, and it was really cool to hear Helen talk Indian or something, she finds the guy who wrote her the note, and he asks for a kiss, she tries to kiss him on the cheek, and he makes her kiss him on the lips-- lucky guy :mckay: :D. The bad guys show up, and they make a run for it, and head to a room in the basement that's actually a tunnel.

After the opening credits, we find Will and Bigfoot back at the Sanctuary, and we learn that Will's in charge, but no one's listening to him, then the lights flicker, and he goes off to investigate, our girl finds herself wondering around an underground tunnel with ( I forgot his name :D, I'll just call him "Vam" :P) Vam, and when the bad guys show up and Helen pulls out a gun and Vam says she looks sexy with a gun, which I have to agree with ;), and at one point, Helen made a face which remined me so much of Sam :samanime20:. Meanwhile Ashely goes to meet with her (I forgot his name too :D, her worm friend) buddy, only to find out it's John, and he tranqs her.

I was amazed to find out about why Helen's as old as she is, why she got like that, and who was involved, and I never had any idea it was because of vampire blood or that John and a few others (The five) were in on it. I liked how a lot of info was given in this episode, and I like how John and Ashely interacted together, and the places he transported her were really cool ;). I also like how Ashely kept defending her mommy :), and it was cool to hear her acknowledge Helens age.

What I thought was really smart was another plot twist in the Sanctuary, I love when I don't see the answers coming :). Anyway, IMHO, Helens scenes were best, I loved her emotions, and actions, and I loved her "obnoxious ass" line, classic Helen :). The final scene with Helen and Ashely was really sweet, and I can't wait to see what happens now that Ashely knows who John is.

Great episode, and now I WANT MORE! :)

SamJackShipper93
November 14th, 2008, 10:27 PM
BTW, his name was Nikola Tesla, based on the real life inventor/engineer:

Nikola Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Nikola)

meredithchandler73
November 14th, 2008, 10:43 PM
WHAT AN AWESOME EPISODE! I was hooked right from the start. And there was so much going on. I don't even know where to start.

I really liked the character of Nichola. Every moment. From the flirting (of course he thinks Helen's hot!) thru the demonstrations of his powers to finding out his master plan of reviving vampires.

Christopher Heyerdahl rocks my world. And I never would have guessed this little plot twist! I think it's brilliant to think that Nichola approached John with his idea and when John refused, Nichola dug his fingers into John's chest and sent some voltage through him. And THAT is what "cured" John of his rage. It'll be very interesting to see future interaction with John. And I hope there will still be more flashbacks, too. I love Chris and Amanda together - in the past or present.

Interesting to have Henry become a werewolf. And it was cool that Will figured it out wrong. Well, not totally wrong. Henry was the one that stole the drugs, but he wasn't the one doing all the other damage around the Sanctuary.

majorsal
November 14th, 2008, 11:11 PM
going to make a quick note (because i have to get up at 4:30am :S) -

GREAT ep!! :D

~serisously, can amanda get anymore awesome!!!!!~



sally :D

mr_kennedy
November 15th, 2008, 03:33 AM
awesome episode

wraith :eek:

loved the henry sub-plot

christopher heyerdahl was awesome great acting on his part

AutumnDream
November 15th, 2008, 04:01 AM
Okay, I need Druitt to be in every episode as he is extremely rad. Please do this for Season 2. Thank you.

Rocky89
November 15th, 2008, 06:42 AM
~serisously, can amanda get anymore awesome!!!!!~


sally :D

Well, we'll find out in Requiem ;).

Shaod
November 15th, 2008, 07:16 AM
I was glad that there is finally some connection between all of the episodes. I was getting tired of discovering a new creature each week....

jasminaGo
November 15th, 2008, 07:58 AM
WOW!!!!! I seem to be saying this after every episode, but this show keeps getting better and better. :D


Helen was simply amazing, we finally found out something about her past, but there are so many more questions to be answered, and if everything is as fascinating as this, I for one can't wait. :) Great interactions between John and Ashley, liked the fact that John didn't come out and said that he's her father, but she figured it out on her own. Loved how they've added some depth to Henry and even though I love his sense of humor, I'm glad he's not just the joke guy around. And hugs for Bigfoot, one day he'll make an amazing mom. :p


And over 500 caps from this episode. Free to use for whatever you want.

07 The Five.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/71593820/8e05efce/07_The_Five.html)

EH-T
November 15th, 2008, 08:41 AM
There was a lot of info in this episode! :D I have lots of questions... lol so have to see it again in an hour. Everyone was busy in this episode and I really liked all three story lines. So Helen, John, Watson, Nichola, and forgot the other guy are part of the Five... very interesting! I loved the end. I was thinking Ashley wasn't going to take Helen's hand. You could see the emotions/turmoil on both of their faces... great scene. Great EPISODE!

EDIT saw the 2nd airing and the parts I missed:
I thought Nichola lended well to Helen being "sexy and unapologetic" - lol but apparently she has her standards :D Cool that Helen created the serum. She wasn't a student and yet the men that make up the Five, along with Helen, were enrolled and trusted her. Just the fact that they included her as one of the brightest scientists, when the school prohibited women from enrolling ... well advanced for their time.

The Sane John is very appealing! I can see Why Helen fell for him. Have to wonder, like others, if it will last?? I just have this feeling it will not .... Should be some interesting Helen & John .... John & Ashley ... Helen & Ashley scenes coming up!! :D

I agree.

I'm sure this nice version of John will not last, it is just too much fun to see him be bad and that's when the Helen/John scenes really click.

Loved this episode and agree with the comments that the series is getting better every week, as it should be. Someone did mention (on the general thread I think) that it was maybe a bit too busy. Maybe it would have been enough to concentrate on the Helen/Tesla and John/Ashley stuff. Then again, I loved seeing Bigfoot "make things look nice" and care for Henry. Too quick to be sure but I agree it looks like Henry is a werewolf.

Have to admit I kept waiting for John to be pulling a fast one. The twist was he was sincere! :) Good moments between him and Ashley. Looking forward to the fallout from her knowing he is daddy.

Not a big fan of the snake-like creature.

Also, a little disappointed that we didn't get to see more Helen/John. I was expecting them together more knowing John was back in this episode. Oh well, more anticipation for the next meeting.

Loved Helen and Tesla. Amanda was wonderful, as usual, and I really liked Tesla. Thought he and Helen were great together. So, is he dead? He survived the impaling on the wall so did he also survive the hit from John? On the other hand, no one seemed concerned he was on the loose or would continue with his plan. I would love to see him back. Great foe for the Sanctuary.


Loved this episode...

Loved seeing Druitt's softer side...though I suspect it won't last.

Loved learning about The Five, and that Helen was part of it. Tells us a little about her, eh? A real risk-taker...perhaps a bit dark herself.

Loved Ashley realizing who her daddy was - I liked that she figured it out, without John telling her (under the circumstances). See, he needed her help, and knew that telling her would blow her mind and probably make her lash out at him more. Smart man to not pull out his 'secret weapon', but to have Ashley realize it herself, without him around.

Henry - with nipple and bellybutton peircings. :S I actually found it kinda...hot. :o I think he was a sort of werewolf (it would fit into the vampire theme of the ep). I hope they don't kill him off, I really like Henry lots.

The vampires - yeah, in some ways (the raised hand, for instance), they reminded me of Wraith...and their argument that humans are no better than vampires reminded me of - me. :o But they were not beautiful like Wraith, and certainly not nearly as regal. Gimme Wraith any day! :D

And Bigfoot - LOVED him! Chris is totally blowing my mind in this show, especially now as he's beginning to have more development as Bigfoot...some entertaining moments with him in this one.

Still a lot to absorb - need to watch it again!

das

Agreed.

keshou
November 15th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Aargh, I'm irritated. I was really enjoying this episode - my favorite since the premiere - and I fell asleep right towards the end. Saw Will confronting the scaly lizard thing in the elevator and next thing I knew I woke up and Helen was offering Ashely her hand. .

Think I mostly saw the plot points on "The Five" , but didn't see the "reveal" on what the effect of the vampire blood was on Helen but gather it's just that she ages really slowly??? Also missed the end of the Tesla and John/Ashley storylines but from what ya'll are saying John really was sincere in being "reformed", at least temporarily. I was sure that was a sham....

Also missed what happened with Henry but he might be a werewolf....hmmm...not sure that's the most creative thing in the world but maybe it will give him more depth than just spouting one-liners every week and being "tech guy".

Anyway - I like this show best when it's concentrating on the backstory and less on the monster of the week. Chris Heyerdahl is great as John Druitt. And while I'm not a big fan of the whole vampire genre I did rather like the Tesla character as well.

Thought all the actors seemed much more comfortable with their characters in this one- especially enjoyed the fleshing out of Will, Henry and, of course, Helen's backstory. I'm still working on liking Ashley :rolleyes: but do enjoy her more when she's interacting with Heyerdahl's character..... I just really think the Ashely role is miscast.

The kind of humor in this episode (Will....."I'm not really in charge here, am I" ) was much more up my alley than last weeks "Nubbins" silliness....

Will keep watching if they have more episodes like this. :D

Skydiver
November 15th, 2008, 10:58 AM
henry, i think, is a werewolf.

and i loved biggy in this one. he talked more, which i find refreshing

so helen's past isn't her being gifted or her being the recipient of some sort of 'payback' or anything...her longivity comes from them fiddling and playing. she will spend her whole life dealing with the decisons that she's made

ScifigirlSG
November 15th, 2008, 11:18 AM
I liked this episode. More history of Helen was revealed. It opened the door to explore more of the other characters backstories.

Jumper_One
November 15th, 2008, 12:52 PM
awesome ep! loved the... :D
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/Sanctuary/hot.jpg
we finally get some answers regarding Helen's longevity. the vampires were cool, especially Tesla. as for the C plot, so Henry's a werewolf. hm interesting...


Best line:
Ashley: Dude, she's my mom. She's always in grave danger.

parsifal
November 15th, 2008, 01:05 PM
I noticed that John's CG hand was his left, but it was his right hand that was bloody after he had teleported from the catacombs.

EvenstarSRV
November 15th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Wow, that was a busy episode. I kept rewinding and rewatching scenes since I wasn't able to watch it live yesterday.

I thought they did a pretty good job handling the three storylines, though I would have preferred to spend a little less time on Henry and more on Helen and Tesla. But it was great to see a new facet to Henry's character. I'm thinking the werewolf tendencies have come from the Nubbin bite, in part because of the close-up of it they had in the last episode.

It was also great to see Bigfoot given more screentime and dialog, I love how he kinda humors Will when he thinks he's in charge and how he took care of Henry. It was also interesting to see that aspects of the Sanctuary are still closed off to Will, despite his insistence to Helen that she give him access to all of the files. Looks like good fodder for tension between Will and the rest of the Sanctuary team, when he's looking for answers that they're not willing to share.

I really enjoyed the Ashley/Druitt scenes, especially Ashley almost reluctantly hearing out what he had to say when she'd like nothing better than to just kill him. I also liked how she figured out he was her dad for herself, and that look she shared with him after they rescued Helen was great. And what great tension in that final scene with Helen and Ashley, I was half expecting Ashley to not take her mom's hand. I can't wait to see the fallout in the next episode and whenever they run into Druitt again.

Helen and Tesla were also fun to watch, I loved their contentious relationship, as well as the asides to their shared history at Oxford and WWII. I think Nikolai is still alive, since if he can survive getting impaled in the chest I'm sure he can survive Druitt putting a hand through his abdomen. I can't wait to see Griffen and Watson, if not this season then the next.




so helen's past isn't her being gifted or her being the recipient of some sort of 'payback' or anything...her longivity comes from them fiddling and playing. she will spend her whole life dealing with the decisons that she's made

That's a good point. Something she did in the fervor of scientific pursuit has resulted in consequences I don't think she anticipated. It seems like the pure vampire blood acted different in each of the Five, but in all cases conferred some kind of longevity. I wonder if they'll ever explain why they all reacted differently, besides Tesla's latent vampiric genes.

I also wonder if Helen injected herself before or after Ashley was conceived. If after, I think it makes that decision much more interesting, since she was gambling her daughter's life as well as her own.

All in all a great episode. I'm so glad we've got another season to look forward to. :)

RealmOfX
November 15th, 2008, 05:04 PM
I just finished watching it and I must say that this show just keeps getting better and better! This was my favourite episode so far.

I liked how they answered questions that viewers had about the characters but then they posed even more questions for us to ponder. Though I really would like to get some meatier storylines with Helen in them, I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the season.

So I'm thinking Henry is a werewolf and I'm wondering if they are going to go with a traditional werewolf mythology or do what they have done before and put their own spin on it.


<snip>
But it was great to see a new facet to Henry's character. I'm thinking the werewolf tendencies have come from the Nubbin bite, in part because of the close-up of it they had in the last episode.


I was looking at Henry's body piercings and was wondering if they were silver? Maybe the silver and the drugs keep him human and the fever was caused by the Nubbin bite and it interfered with the silver and drugs and let him transform?? Whatever they come up with I'll be watching and waiting to find out :D

With Druitt I'm thinking the sanity aspect may not last long as the potential for storylines with that intensity and unpredictability is more vast than a sane John.

Other things I'm looking forward to seeing :

what the fallout between Helen and Ashley will be. For a moment there I was thinking Ash would not take her mother's hand
more info on the other two of The Five
a return of Nikola Tesla (no I don't believe he died as Bigfoot survived that injury in the webisodes and the spike through Tesla didn't slow him down for long)
more Helen and Ashley as I think these two characters need a lot more development and to let us fans see what really makes them tick


OK I'm off to watch it again to catch what I missed the first time.

RealmOfX
November 15th, 2008, 05:32 PM
I just had a thought (now, now! no snarky remarks :D) wasn't Griffin the name of The Invisible Man?

Must go and check my H. G. Wells collection.

<added>

Yep, his name was Griffin and he was an almost albino which fits with the photo sensitivity. It also fits in with Damian's love of The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Briangate78
November 15th, 2008, 06:10 PM
I just watched "The Five" tonight. Probably one of the best eps of the series so far. It's a toss up between this one and Kush. A lot of revelations in this episode and it would seem Ashley is not too happy with her mother right now. I liked how they disclosed how Helen is able to live without aging.

majorsal
November 15th, 2008, 06:15 PM
today i give my full review. totally AWESOME ep!! :D

k, that's it, bye.

:p


I loved the end. I was thinking Ashley wasn't going to take Helen's hand. You could see the emotions/turmoil on both of their faces... great scene. Great EPISODE!

i LOVED that part! and i wasn't sure ashley would either, but was very relieved when she did. it would have crushed helen to lose ashley in 'any' way. i smiled and felt warm fuzzies when ash took her mom's hand. :)


EDIT saw the 2nd airing and the parts I missed:
I thought Nichola lended well to Helen being "sexy and unapologetic" - lol but apparently she has her standards :D

i liked the actor they chose for tesla, and i thought amanda/helen looked even more smokin hot in this ep. you go, amanda! :p




Great episode! Everyone did a awesome job. I didn't want the episode to end.

me too! in fact, every time a commercial came on, i groaned. the ep flew by too. just awesome work all around. :D



Loved Ashley realizing who her daddy was - I liked that she figured it out, without John telling her (under the circumstances). See, he needed her help, and knew that telling her would blow her mind and probably make her lash out at him more. Smart man to not pull out his 'secret weapon', but to have Ashley realize it herself, without him around.

my mom was confused how ashley found out (she was doing cross-stitch while watching :p). i told her that he 'told' her when he was saying about understanding her rage and wanting to kill, because he felt the same. i've only seen this ep once (so far!), but isn't that how he basically told her?


Henry - with nipple and bellybutton piercings. :S

i watched that scene and missed this! someone better get a cap. :p




I really liked the character of Nichola. Every moment. From the flirting (of course he thinks Helen's hot!) thru the demonstrations of his powers to finding out his master plan of reviving vampires.

i liked the vampire theme (love vamps!:D), but kind of wish tesla's master plan wasn't stupid blood suckers running around. :p okay, *that's* why he wanted helen's help, but i wish helen would have said to him to just try to de-extinct the real vampires instead of making forest gump copies.


Christopher Heyerdahl rocks my world. And I never would have guessed this little plot twist! I think it's brilliant to think that Nichola approached John with his idea and when John refused, Nichola dug his fingers into John's chest and sent some voltage through him. And THAT is what "cured" John of his rage.

for some reason, i have probs hearing ppl's dialog on this show. i missed some of what druit said about how tesla messed with him. did tesla give him some of that blood (his blood) and then electrocute him, or did he try to kill him by electrocuting him? and where those markings on druit's chest from, like you said, digging his fingers in his chest, or did tesla use that device that he used on the zombie vamps?


WOW!!!!! I seem to be saying this after every episode, but this show keeps getting better and better. :D

i totally agree!! :D

my faves so far are 'kush' and 'the five', with the latter winning out.


Great interactions between John and Ashley, liked the fact that John didn't come out and said that he's her father, but she figured it out on her own.

i liked this version of ashley finding out much more than in the webbies. and that scene where ash and druit are wrestling on the ground, but druit keeps popping them into horrible situations... HA! :p mom and i were :lol:


Loved how they've added some depth to Henry and even though I love his sense of humor, I'm glad he's not just the joke guy around.

i appreciated that too. :)




Think I mostly saw the plot points on "The Five" , but didn't see the "reveal" on what the effect of the vampire blood was on Helen but gather it's just that she ages really slowly???

yes, is that what was said? everyone kind of had a bad reaction, besides also inheriting longevity, but helen didn't?


Anyway - I like this show best when it's concentrating on the back story and less on the monster of the week.

that's my fave stuff too; characters. and this great cast can handle it! ;)


And while I'm not a big fan of the whole vampire genre I did rather like the Tesla character as well.

i hope he shows up again! he works well with amanda. (and his tricky sneakiness of making her kiss him on the lips. :p)




And what great tension in that final scene with Helen and Ashley, I was half expecting Ashley to not take her mom's hand. I can't wait to see the fallout in the next episode and whenever they run into Druitt again.

i'm looking forward to seeing that too. the show's done a good job of us seeing the closeness of them, so it'll have an even bigger impact if ash starts distancing herself from helen, even if she's not meaning to do it. great angst. :-p


Helen and Tesla were also fun to watch, I loved their contentious relationship, as well as the asides to their shared history at Oxford and WWII.

what was the WWII thing again?


I can't wait to see Griffen and Watson, if not this season then the next.

could this be dr. watson from sherlock holmes?




Though I really would like to get some meatier storylines with Helen in them, I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the season.

would me saying 'me too!' seem like a *duh* moment from me? :o



Other things I'm looking forward to seeing :

what the fallout between Helen and Ashley will be. For a moment there I was thinking Ash would not take her mother's hand
more info on the other two of The Five
a return of Nikola Tesla (no I don't believe he died as Bigfoot survived that injury in the webisodes and the spike through Tesla didn't slow him down for long)
more Helen and Ashley as I think these two characters need a lot more development and to let us fans see what really makes them tick

the one i bolded, definitely yes! and i believe it was jckfan that said she'd like to see helen with young ashley? oh yes on that too!


i've never done such a long multi quote before. :-o

one thing i didn't comment on was that i *loved* amanda's work on when tesla told her he loved her. he said something else first, then threw that in, and then helen starts replying and does a sort of double take when she realized what he'd said. loved her acting! :-p


okay, just an awesome ep and i enjoyed it all, especially the helen-tesla and then druit-ashley stories. great ep!! :-D





sally :D

Chelle DB
November 15th, 2008, 06:26 PM
henry, i think, is a werewolf.
and i loved biggy in this one. he talked more, which i find refreshing
so helen's past isn't her being gifted or her being the recipient of some sort of 'payback' or anything...her longivity comes from them fiddling and playing. she will spend her whole life dealing with the decisons that she's made
I'm with you on the Henry thing...and I loved Bigfoot this ep...loved his cleaning skills and his whistling while he works!! Very nice! :P
And with regard to Helen's curse/gift...I guess that's one thing that kinda boggles the mind to some degree...that she did this to herself...kinda reckless but I guess she's learned a lot through her mistakes...this one being a doozy!!

I just had a thought (now, now! no snarky remarks :D) wasn't Griffin the name of The Invisible Man?
Must go and check my H. G. Wells collection.
<added>
Yep, his name was Griffin and he was an almost albino which fits with the photo sensitivity. It also fits in with Damian's love of The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Oh excellent...the pieces are all falling into place!! :D

My thoughts on the ep as posted in another thread...
I think that Tesla is still alive and I'm kinda hoping he'll be back in future eps. I'm a little bummed that he went dark side though...I kinda liked his charm. And he's kinda cute too!
I'm not sure about Druitt going all good though...although that bodes well for a Helen/John ship...if you're into that...which I am but I don't want to see it become a focus on the show...yet!
Henry! OMG! My Henry is a...well I think he's a werewolf but....why??? He looked so sad and lonely...tis not fair...but...great storylines to come, one would assume!
So Ashely figured it out that John was her father...wonder what triggered that off?
I was hoping for some more on that front...crossing fingers that will happen soon...I want to know what Helen will tell her and how Ashely will deal with it.
And Helen...I actually quite enjoyed watching her with Nikola...loved her little outburst just before John saved her!! Spunky!!
I wonder if Tesla really did love her though? It took her back a bit when he said he loved her...and she seemed convinced that he truly did...I certainly believed it...and why not...she is a remarkable and "hot" woman!
The kiss was actually done well IMHO...cheeky bugger is Tesla...I was really liking him til he went bad! Such a waste!
I would have loved to have seen more of what happened in the past when Helen got injected with the serum. What exactly happened to her and the others...I hope that gets played out at some point.
Here's a thought...do you think Helen's father knew what she had done?? Not necessarily before but after?
She certainly was a pioneer of sorts...quite a risk taker for someone so young and well educated and living in that era. The more I think about it, the more I would like to see young Helen and her adventures with the Five!
With regard to when Ashley and Helen were standing together at the end and Helen put out her hand...in a way, I hoped that Ashley would have rejected it...after all, she just found out something huge and pertinent to her own history that her mother kept secret.
BUT...I was glad she did take her hand...even though I suspect their relationship will be under some strain now with the revelation, they obviously have a strong close bond. Now...my favourite scene would be a toss up between when Helen met Tesla in the hall, the flashbacks, Helen calling Tesla and "obnoxious ass" and John saving Helen...the whole ep had me enthralled...hats off to the Sanctuary team yet again!

Amalthea
November 15th, 2008, 07:16 PM
That was a fun episode! Lots of new information to ponder about!

What I don't understand, though is how all of this information fits in with the scene a few episodes back with Helen and Druitt in the cab in old London. How could she teach him that he's not a freak, when the same event made them all different?

Other than that, I'm glad they decided to bring in Vampires. As far as baddies go, they're just classic. I'm not sold on Henry being a werewolf, though. He was decidedly hairy, yes, but he seemes to have control over it. It reminds me somewhat of Barak in David Edding's Belgariad series- he would turn into a beast whenever another character was in danger. It's curious, though.

I'd like it if Druitt stayed sane, but we shall see. Poor Ashley. I think she has quite the challenge ahead of her.

ann_sgcfan
November 15th, 2008, 07:35 PM
That was a fun episode! Lots of new information to ponder about!

What I don't understand, though is how all of this information fits in with the scene a few episodes back with Helen and Druitt in the cab in old London. How could she teach him that he's not a freak, when the same event made them all different?

Other than that, I'm glad they decided to bring in Vampires. As far as baddies go, they're just classic. I'm not sold on Henry being a werewolf, though. He was decidedly hairy, yes, but he seemes to have control over it. It reminds me somewhat of Barak in David Edding's Belgariad series- he would turn into a beast whenever another character was in danger. It's curious, though.

I'd like it if Druitt stayed sane, but we shall see. Poor Ashley. I think she has quite the challenge ahead of her.

Here is my opinion. Helen made the serum, but they all agreed on their own free will to use it. Each of the five have different side effects to the serum, I guess based on how it mixed with their DNA. It's now part of his genetic makeup. John's gift is the ability to transport anywhere... however that gift drives him mad makes him feel like a freak. I'm guessing they all do to some degree, because it has changed them so much. So Maybe Helen thought she found a way to alter his DNA or help him cope with this new gift that didn't drive him mad. In reality John's madness and rage was growing. Ultimately Helen discovers he is JtR

majorsal
November 15th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Here is my opinion. Helen made the serum, but they all agreed on their own free will to use it. Each of the five have different side effects to the serum, I guess based on how it mixed with their DNA. It's now part of his genetic makeup. John's gift to transport anywhere... however that gift drives him mad makes him feel like a freak. I'm guessing they all do to some degree, because it has changed them so much. So Maybe Helen thought she found a way to alter his DNA or help him cope with this new gift that didn't drive him mad.... but in reality John's madness and rage was growing. Ultimately Helen discovers he is JtR

besides making helen age VERY slowly, what else do you think it did to her?

ames
November 15th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Well John did say that she received the simplest gift, so perhaps extreme longevity (and potentially increased intelligence/comprehension? Although she was very smart to start with... *continues pondering*) is the sum of her physical reaction?

majorsal
November 15th, 2008, 07:44 PM
And Helen...I actually quite enjoyed watching her with Nikola...loved her little outburst just before John saved her!! Spunky!!
I wonder if Tesla really did love her though? It took her back a bit when he said he loved her...and she seemed convinced that he truly did...I certainly believed it...and why not...she is a remarkable and "hot" woman!
The kiss was actually done well IMHO...cheeky bugger is Tesla...I was really liking him til he went bad!

(snip)

Now...my favourite scene would be a toss up between when Helen met Tesla in the hall, the flashbacks, Helen calling Tesla and "obnoxious ass" (snip)

speaking of tesla...

you do notice that helen doesn't hesitate to shoot to kill? i bet over time, she's come to realize that hesitating can end your life. or of someone you love?...

ann_sgcfan
November 15th, 2008, 07:45 PM
besides making helen age VERY slowly, what else do you think it did to her?

John said Helen had the "most simple and elegant" side effect. So maybe it is just longevity? I don't know only time will tell :P

Skydiver
November 15th, 2008, 07:46 PM
i wonder if she learned that from JtR?

majorsal
November 15th, 2008, 08:49 PM
other thing popped into my head of something i loved. and this is another groovy amanda acting thing! :p

when tesla's zombie vampires had caught up with helen and were just about to strike her/slice her, tesla stopped them. it was that breathy i-almost-died reaction that really clicked for me. helen was scared. ;)

Chelle DB
November 15th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Well...John said Helen's gift was simple and elegant so hopefully nothing else!
So given that it's in her blood...it is possible that Ashley could have inherited something...passed through the bloodstream from mother to baby...so I'm looking forward to seeing if Ashley has something from both her parents.
I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that Helen did this...essentially to all of them...she created the serum...but she put her life at such peril for the sake of what? Science?? Crazy! That's what I keep saying to myself...HOWEVER...I do understand that the great scientist do take risks and create things that normal people wouldn't dare think or dream of doing...for the sake of science...but nonetheless, it was reckless. And as Sky has said...Helen is now going to pay for her mistakes she made a lifetime ago...that is sad...I don't believe in karma so I wont say it's karma but in life, sometimes things come back to bite you in the backside...when you least expect it to.
I wonder if Helen had any idea what the serum would do to her? And I wonder if she was so caught up in the experiment that she didn't really stop to think about the consequences. I suspect that she's learned a great deal from her trials and tribulations from her younger days...I wonder if she would be so quick to do something like that again.
There are still so many unanswered questions form the ep...which is great...more to deal with in future eps!! :D
I have to say though, this show is getting better as the eps keep coming...I'm never disappointed...wanting more...certainly...but it seems to surpass all my expectations in what it has delivered! :)

Chelle DB
November 15th, 2008, 09:38 PM
Well John did say that she received the simplest gift, so perhaps extreme longevity (and potentially increased intelligence/comprehension? Although she was very smart to start with... *continues pondering*) is the sum of her physical reaction?
Sorry Ames...I just read your post...we obviously think the same way...I posted the same thing before reading your post...sorry! :o
I think Helen had smarts way before she got the serum...it was after all, her creation! But maybe there is a hidden gift that not even Helen herself has discovered.

speaking of tesla...
you do notice that helen doesn't hesitate to shoot to kill? i bet over time, she's come to realize that hesitating can end your life. or of someone you love?...
Yeah...she's good in that sense...given that Helen has lived through soo much and learned so much through living...I'd say she a no nonsense kinda woman who in spite of what her heart is telling her or her feelings...she knows that sometimes you gotta do something drastic whether you want to or not...if that makes sense.? I think it hurts her to shoot to kill...I don't think it's something she wants to do but shes learned that it's something that must be done sometimes...and sometimes it's gonna suck.

EvenstarSRV
November 16th, 2008, 12:07 AM
I just had a thought (now, now! no snarky remarks :D) wasn't Griffin the name of The Invisible Man?

Must go and check my H. G. Wells collection.

<added>

Yep, his name was Griffin and he was an almost albino which fits with the photo sensitivity. It also fits in with Damian's love of The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Oh cool, thanks for sharing that!



my mom was confused how ashley found out (she was doing cross-stitch while watching :p). i told her that he 'told' her when he was saying about understanding her rage and wanting to kill, because he felt the same. i've only seen this ep once (so far!), but isn't that how he basically told her?

I also thought that was how Ashley figured it out. Especially since afterwards she's staring into the mirror before agreeing to go with Druitt, which I took as sort of visually telegraphing Ashley's reevaluation of her motivations after hearing Druitt describe her killer instinct.



for some reason, i have probs hearing ppl's dialog on this show. i missed some of what druit said about how tesla messed with him. did tesla give him some of that blood (his blood) and then electrocute him, or did he try to kill him by electrocuting him? and where those markings on druit's chest from, like you said, digging his fingers in his chest, or did tesla use that device that he used on the zombie vamps?

I think Druitt said that after he refused to help Tesla, he was subjected to electroshock therapy, probably by that device Tesla used on the cabal guy. I kinda wonder why Tesla didn't kill him, or if Druitt just recovered enough to teleport away before that happened.



what was the WWII thing again?

Tesla talks about Helen helping him run from spies in '42 or '43 after he gave all the Allies plans for his death ray weapon.



What I don't understand, though is how all of this information fits in with the scene a few episodes back with Helen and Druitt in the cab in old London. How could she teach him that he's not a freak, when the same event made them all different?


Hmmm, good point. I wonder if this is another case of some things not translating well from the webisodes to the TV series, since I think that Helen/Druitt scene was written before they created the concept of The Five.




I wonder if Helen had any idea what the serum would do to her? And I wonder if she was so caught up in the experiment that she didn't really stop to think about the consequences. I suspect that she's learned a great deal from her trials and tribulations from her younger days...I wonder if she would be so quick to do something like that again.


I think Helen was so caught up in the fervor of discovery, as well as the enthusiasm of the other four guys, that she probably didn't really think through all the possible consequences of the serum. Given the results, I'd doubt she's been that reckless since then, especially with the safety of her daughter to consider.

jasminaGo
November 16th, 2008, 02:33 AM
i watched that scene and missed this! someone better get a cap. :p


How could you have missed them? :p It looks so cute. :p

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/jasminaGo/Sanctuary/Season%201/07%20The%20Five/bscap0633.jpg

starlover
November 16th, 2008, 02:34 AM
OMG, I loved this episode...gonna watch it again after this post!

There was some very good character development in it!

Henry being...a werewolve? or some kind of animal...that's cool, that is perhaps as well why he is in the Sanctuary doing all the electronics. Because he is an abnormal as well!

I also liked the scenes between John and Ashley and how he tried to convince her to save her mom, and not just zap to her mom and see then how it would happen. I think in a way John wanted that Ashley trusted him so that they together could save Helen.

Also that John is "whole" again, it gives possibilities, certainly between him and Helen...I like that relationship..:P I hope that it has a future now that John is more sane...if that is the right word for it...

It was also very cool that Ashley figured out that John was her dad, why? does she has something as well that she knew her dad has too or so. or is it just Helens reaction on John the whole time....it's btw good to see the difference between her reaction now in the series and in the webisodes...where it was totally different...(now they are gonna see Rome:P I'm yealous:P )

Helen with Tesla...in the beginning I found it a cute thing together and that Helen met someone of her earlier days, but because of the flashbacks I immediately thought something was wrong...Plus Tesla looked way too calm with all those Kabaal(sp?) people on their back...so that he in the end wanted to revive the Ancient Vampire race didn't suprise me...but I have the feeling we will see him again...

as for the Five, very interesting...I'm also curious what Helens gift is...it could be anything, I don't think its the long live, because they all have that gift...perhaps it has something to do with that she has all those Sanctuary's now. A sense to see and find the abnormal or so...or something that you guys in here already named:)
I think/hope we are going to see more of this "five" again...I want to know what exactly happened during those days...this show is really getting a good plot now, what is very important and I like:D...I can't wait till next week and the new episode!!!

jasminaGo
November 16th, 2008, 02:50 AM
as for the Five, very interesting...I'm also curious what Helens gift is...it could be anything, I don't think its the long live, because they all have that gift...perhaps it has something to do with that she has all those Sanctuary's now. A sense to see and find the abnormal or so...or something that you guys in here already named:)

Hmmmm... I think it might be long life, otherwise why would John need her blood to survive? And why would he say that the others will come too? My take is that each got just the gifts John mentioned to Ashley, and they're all (or at least one or two of them) using Helen's gift to stay alive.

Skydiver
November 16th, 2008, 08:27 AM
the thing with being seen as a 'spy' in WWII

when you give technology, you're only supposed to give it to one side or another. At least that's the POV of the recipients. :)

as soon as tesla gave it to everyone, 'everyone' saw him as a traitor and a spy for arming their enemies.

EH-T
November 16th, 2008, 10:51 AM
I also wonder if Helen injected herself before or after Ashley was conceived. If after, I think it makes that decision much more interesting, since she was gambling her daughter's life as well as her own.




Interesting question. My feeling is that it would have been before. I could see Helen being somewhat reckless with her own life in the pursuit of science but not with her child's.

Skydiver
November 16th, 2008, 11:10 AM
given that she 'froze the embryo until she could bear the loneliness no longer, then brought it to term', i'm thinking she gave herself hte injection before, not after. IMHO, ashley had to have been conceived around the time helen found out that john was JtR and was part of her decision to stop john and to run from him

EvenstarSRV
November 16th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Interesting question. My feeling is that it would have been before. I could see Helen being somewhat reckless with her own life in the pursuit of science but not with her child's.


given that she 'froze the embryo until she could bear the loneliness no longer, then brought it to term', i'm thinking she gave herself hte injection before, not after. IMHO, ashley had to have been conceived around the time helen found out that john was JtR and was part of her decision to stop john and to run from him

Very true. I agree that Helen wouldn't be as reckless with her child's life as she may be with her own, and it does make more sense for Ashley to have been conceived after Druitt received his powers.

starlover
November 16th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Hmmmm... I think it might be long life, otherwise why would John need her blood to survive? And why would he say that the others will come too? My take is that each got just the gifts John mentioned to Ashley, and they're all (or at least one or two of them) using Helen's gift to stay alive.

Hmm...for the blood to survive I think that was because of the madness...but perhaps she got the thing of everylasting youth or so...something in that area or so...and why the others would come to...no idea...I think we will still get to see that...

I'm also very curious if Ashley has any powers of her own...



given that she 'froze the embryo until she could bear the loneliness no longer, then brought it to term', i'm thinking she gave herself hte injection before, not after. IMHO, ashley had to have been conceived around the time helen found out that john was JtR and was part of her decision to stop john and to run from him

I think so as well...:) ...I think she got pregnant from him on the end of the relationship between her and John...and when she figured it out...did what you say...

Sg Gato
November 16th, 2008, 03:18 PM
I'm also very curious if Ashley has any powers of her own......

I have been also thinking if Ashley has any powers as well and what would they be.

MyFavoriteWraith
November 16th, 2008, 09:29 PM
How could you have missed them? :p It looks so cute. :p

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/jasminaGo/Sanctuary/Season%201/07%20The%20Five/bscap0633.jpg

Believe it or not, I missed that the first time around, too. And thank you for the lovely screencap! :samanime51:

mfw

Edit: Also - I'm speculating here, but I have a feeling John is not going to behave for long. We'll see what happens to Helen and Ashley's relationship over the next few episodes, but I wonder if there will be some point where it will be Father and Daughter against Helen?

Amaunet
November 17th, 2008, 01:14 AM
I loved this episode! I thought the concept of "the five" was great, I'm looking forward to seeing more on them. I really liked the Tesla character, I found him very interesting and kinda cute ;) Although every time his name was mentioned I was brought back to Physics class with my teacher yapping on about Nikola Tesla, at least this paints a more interesting picture than electricity and magnetism! :) )

Cree
November 17th, 2008, 05:33 AM
fantastic episode!
LOVED tessla!
I think that the watson is this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_A._Watson

so whoever it was who suggested dr watson from sherlock holmes was wrong. but no matter as we wont know untill its revealed :D

Falcon 304
November 17th, 2008, 06:46 AM
Helen was confused about John being alive (her blood was supposed to have crippled him). As John explained to Ashely, Nichola rescued and tended to John. He said that his rage had died off in his recovery, so I guess he had an epiphany.

Tesla didn't tend to Druitt, he tortured him. Sorry if you were being sarcastic, but I can't see it. :P

It makes sense that it happened though. Electro-shock therapy, which is applied to one's head, is used to treat depression and anger, in some cases. Considering Tesla used a crap load more than what would be used today for therapy, and it was applied to Druitt's chest, it's not out of the relm of possibility that it changed him.

But whether he stays this way or not gets into the theories of how he became insane in the first place. Was he born that way, did his teleporting cause it, or did the teleporting advance a condition he was born with?

Celandine
November 17th, 2008, 07:34 AM
First off, I think I've got a new favorite ep. :P


Hmmmm... I think it might be long life, otherwise why would John need her blood to survive? And why would he say that the others will come too? My take is that each got just the gifts John mentioned to Ashley, and they're all (or at least one or two of them) using Helen's gift to stay alive.

But arent vampires immortal? Don't exactly know why, but I've always believed this.

If this is the case, then everyone of the Five is capable of death but their souls would be immortal because of the blood they injected. Each then would receive another side effect and going on John's 'simple but elegant' talk of what Helen received it makes me wonder what she might have. I have no clue what Helen's might be, but it seems she's the only one who is able to keep it under control and hidden.


given that she 'froze the embryo until she could bear the loneliness no longer, then brought it to term', i'm thinking she gave herself hte injection before, not after. IMHO, ashley had to have been conceived around the time helen found out that john was JtR and was part of her decision to stop john and to run from him

My thoughts exactly, but did they have the technology back in the 1880's to freeze an embryo? And heck, even before this, did they have the technology to even extract an egg and do the fertilization?

ddc
November 17th, 2008, 08:15 AM
My thoughts exactly, but did they have the technology back in the 1880's to freeze an embryo? And heck, even before this, did they have the technology to even extract an egg and do the fertilization?

I put that down to Helen being way ahead of her time in medical stuff.

With the connection for The Five going back to Oxford I was glad they mentioned her auditing classes, another indication of how much attention they pay to historic detail. Several of the Women's Colleges would have been in existance when Helen was there, and she could have attended classes & taken exams but would not have received a degree. There were a small number of women MDs then, but studying medicine then was more of an apprentiship which she must have done after leaving Oxford. Maybe motivated by the experiment that changed them all.

No clue who the Watson of The Five was. Given the "mutations" to their DNA that the experiments caused my first thought was Watson of Watson & Crick, but he was mid-20th Century. Unless the "real" Watson was actually a lot older than the records show, maybe officially the grandson of this Watson when he's really the same person? Their identities and credentials over all these years must have been a challenge; I'd be interested in some references to how they've all dealt with it.

Skydiver
November 17th, 2008, 10:45 AM
the first test tube baby was in the 70's i think. so i still see no 'real' way fro helen to have conceived, removed (or test tubed her) and froze ashely during the point in time....unless she hung out or ran into druitt less than 50 years ago and dealt with it.

which kinda contradicts the impression that helen has been running and hiding from john for decades (that's what i got from eps 1, that john literally hadn't seen her for a very long time)

RealmOfX
November 17th, 2008, 10:46 AM
<snip>
My thoughts exactly, but did they have the technology back in the 1880's to freeze an embryo? And heck, even before this, did they have the technology to even extract an egg and do the fertilization?

Remember though, that it isn't our world, it's their world which is similar but not the same as ours. Damian went originally for a steam punk and League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen style. I like how they are taking things from our world but putting a twist on them.

I also like the speculation on the remaining two of The Five, I'm wondering if one of them is actually The Cabal leader?? I like this waiting for things to be revealed :D I also like that they answered questions in The Five but didn't really answer them fully and raised quite a few more questions.

I'd like more episodes like this please :D

Skydiver
November 17th, 2008, 10:57 AM
i can see one of them being the Kabal leader.

either watson or the invisible one, griffin

we might end up with something like the x-men....helen (xavier) trying to help/train mutants/abbys, tesla/magnus/magneto in the 'we're the next evolution to heck with the humans' camp, druitt caught in the middle, along with whomever of the five isn't the leader of the Kabal.

and we'll muddy that with the question, how much of helen's 'idea' is sincere, or, in her inner core, does she also buy into the 'superiority' of a species. Of course, she was raised in the victorian 'white men are da bomb of evolution' era. so does she really and honestly feel for the abbys, or are they just charges and study subjects of hers?

as to the embryo, well there's also that massively advanced city across the river...what if their world suffered some sort of cataclysm and they've 'started over', which is the accounting for the primitive side helen lives in and the pretty advanced side across the river...and why as the bridge cut?

Mala50
November 17th, 2008, 01:50 PM
fantastic episode!
LOVED tessla!
I think that the watson is this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_A._Watson

so whoever it was who suggested dr watson from sherlock holmes was wrong. but no matter as we wont know untill its revealed :DNo, the name was definitely James Watson. Check out the info on the new episode guide posted by Darren.
Details On The Rest of Season One
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9247215&postcount=1

Beware of spoilers.

REVELATIONS, PART 1

112
<excerpt>
Magnus is contacted by Dr. James Watson, another member of The Five and head of the U.K. Sanctuary...

Melora
November 17th, 2008, 04:02 PM
No, the name was definitely James Watson. Check out the info on the new episode guide posted by Darren.
Details On The Rest of Season One
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9247215&postcount=1

Beware of spoilers.

REVELATIONS, PART 1

112
<excerpt>
Magnus is contacted by Dr. James Watson, another member of The Five and head of the U.K. Sanctuary...

Spoilers for Ep 12+13:
I believe Dr. Watson is going to be played by Peter Wingfield. :D

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3592/sanctuary558largedk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I adored him in Highlander. If Watson is one of the Five and runs the UK Sanctuary, it gives me hope that he will be back next season. I really can't wait for these eps. :cool:

I wonder when Nigel Griffin will show up?

helenmagnus23
November 17th, 2008, 04:08 PM
I have watched THE FIVE a dozen times it is so awsome i love this episode so much :D

It was great seeing a softer side to Druitt i can see why Magnus likes him and Tesla it was a cool seeing he's a vampire and finding out how Helen got her longevity WOW ! i love seeing the flash back's .

Favorite scene's

1. Tesla getting pinned to the wall and Helen telling him to get down
2. Tesla saying he loves her
3. John and Ashley i loved how Ashley found out Druitt is her dad
4. Druitt and Ashley working together to save Helen
5. i loved it when Helen called Tesla an ''obnoxious a**''
6. and just seeing John and Helen together boath in the flashback and when he saves her :D

Very cool

bossluna
November 17th, 2008, 04:33 PM
They come in 3's...


BTW, his name was Nikola Tesla, based on the real life inventor/engineer:

Nikola Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Nikola)

thanks for this. That was really interesting to read. And now that I've watched "The Five" for the 3rd time I can see the idiosyncrasies that embodied Nikola Tesla. It said that later in his life he became obsessed with the number 3 and if you look closely you'll notice its prevalence in the episode.

-3 stories going on: Will, Henry and Bigfoot at the Sanctuary; Helen and Tesla in Rome; Druitt and Ashley in the warehouse.
-only 3 of "The Five" were seen; Helen, John and Nikola.
-3 places that John took Ashley while they were fighting: Japan, Hell, Falling from a building
-Tesla saying that Magnus had 3 minutes before she would be killed
-Tesla resurrected 3 "mini-me" vampires
-Magnus shot Tesla 3 times in the chest before escaping
-Henry had 3 body piercings (hee!)

of course, i could be seeing 3 up the whazoo, but...okay, i can't think of anything more.

But I digress, after reading about Tesla, I got all the jokes about Edison being a cheapskate (Edison paid him 18 dollars a week and bought his patents dirt cheap), John's disdain for Tesla saying that he leached off of Marconi (Tesla sued him I think). And the plans for the deathray or peace-ray as the press called it, that he gave to both the US govt and European countries. ("Whose hair-brained idea was it to give the plans to all the governments of the Allied Forces anyways? - Magnus...to which he joked "I had my Nobel Prize speech all memorized.")

So much stuff. I loved it! They got his character down from his obsessive-compulsiveness, his meticulousness, his arrogance, his penchant for living in hotels, how he was always bit of a showman. Tesla reminds me of Mozart from the movie "Amadeus."

And that "electrifying" kiss that he gave Magnus in the beginning. I noticed that he wasn't even holding her to him and she kind of had to pry herself off of him as if he were a magnet...hmmm..

EvenstarSRV
November 17th, 2008, 05:28 PM
thanks for this. That was really interesting to read. And now that I've watched "The Five" for the 3rd time I can see the idiosyncrasies that embodied Nikola Tesla. It said that later in his life he became obsessed with the number 3 and if you look closely you'll notice its prevalence in the episode.

-3 stories going on: Will, Henry and Bigfoot at the Sanctuary; Helen and Tesla in Rome; Druitt and Ashley in the warehouse.
-only 3 of "The Five" were seen; Helen, John and Nikola.
-3 places that John took Ashley while they were fighting: Japan, Hell, Falling from a building
-Tesla saying that Magnus had 3 minutes before she would be killed
-Tesla resurrected 3 "mini-me" vampires
-Magnus shot Tesla 3 times in the chest before escaping
-Henry had 3 body piercings (hee!)

of course, i could be seeing 3 up the whazoo, but...okay, i can't think of anything more.

Very cool list!



But I digress, after reading about Tesla, I got all the jokes about Edison being a cheapskate (Edison paid him 18 dollars a week and bought his patents dirt cheap), John's disdain for Tesla saying that he leached off of Marconi (Tesla sued him I think). And the plans for the deathray or peace-ray as the press called it, that he gave to both the US govt and European countries. ("Whose hair-brained idea was it to give the plans to all the governments of the Allied Forces anyways? - Magnus...to which he joked "I had my Nobel Prize speech all memorized.")

So much stuff. I loved it! They got his character down from his obsessive-compulsiveness, his meticulousness, his arrogance, his penchant for living in hotels, how he was always bit of a showman. Tesla reminds me of Mozart from the movie "Amadeus."

Wow, that's cool to see how many details of the real Tesla they were able to put into the Sanctuary character. On my third viewing I noticed how he kept wiping his hands with his handkerchief, which seems to fit with the real Tesla's personality. Thanks for the info! :)


And that "electrifying" kiss that he gave Magnus in the beginning. I noticed that he wasn't even holding her to him and she kind of had to pry herself off of him as if he were a magnet...hmmm..

Well he does seem to be able to manipulate electricity, so it stands to reason he can also generate a magnetic field with that ability. :)

Skydiver
November 17th, 2008, 06:14 PM
magnets, it all comes down to magnets ;)

suse
November 17th, 2008, 06:21 PM
Very cool list!



Wow, that's cool to see how many details of the real Tesla they were able to put into the Sanctuary character. On my third viewing I noticed how he kept wiping his hands with his handkerchief, which seems to fit with the real Tesla's personality. Thanks for the info! :)



Well he does seem to be able to manipulate electricity, so it stands to reason he can also generate a magnetic field with that ability. :)

I think he killed the guy he threw using his superstrength early on with his fingernails. :P So he had to wipe the blood off. :o Not sure Helen noticed.

suse

majorsal
November 17th, 2008, 09:36 PM
No clue who the Watson of The Five was. Given the "mutations" to their DNA that the experiments caused my first thought was Watson of Watson & Crick, but he was mid-20th Century. Unless the "real" Watson was actually a lot older than the records show, maybe officially the grandson of this Watson when he's really the same person? Their identities and credentials over all these years must have been a challenge; I'd be interested in some references to how they've all dealt with it.

first off, GREAT discussions going on! :D (it's making me think. ah oh)

i could have sworn i read amanda saying that sherlock holmes would pop up somehow. hope i didn't imagine it... :S :p

MyFavoriteWraith
November 18th, 2008, 12:01 AM
first off, GREAT discussions going on! :D (it's making me think. ah oh)

i could have sworn i read amanda saying that sherlock holmes would pop up somehow. hope i didn't imagine it... :S :p

Actually I'm kinda hoping that Mary & Percy Bysshe Shelley will show up along with Lord Byron. The whole "The Five" group kinda reminds me of a different "five" that spent the "Lost Summer" of 1816 on Lake Geneva, Switzerland: Mary, Shelley, Byron, Dr. John William Polidori, and Claire Clairmont (Mary's half-sister or cousin - not sure). (The reason it was called the Lost Summer was because Mount Tambora in Inodonesia erupted. The ash fallout wreaked havoc on weather patterns across the world.) The group stayed indoors and challenged each other to tell the best horror story. This is where Mary Shelley's story "Frankenstein" was born. We've seen vampires and now (maybe) a werewolf. How about the resurrected monster? You know, Magnus strikes me as a bit of a Dr. Frankenstein herself. The only real trouble I see incorporating this group is that they're a bit older for Magnus' generation. Maybe her father's?

mfw

Falcon 304
November 18th, 2008, 02:41 PM
I am still curious as to how Tesla was able to activate those lights...

Unless of course the Sanctuary vampires are different than the traditional scifi ones.

EvenstarSRV
November 18th, 2008, 03:01 PM
I am still curious as to how Tesla was able to activate those lights...

Unless of course the Sanctuary vampires are different than the traditional scifi ones.

Maybe the pure vampire blood did more than just awaken the latent vampiric genes in Tesla? He seems to have the ability to manipulate electromagnetic energy, activating the lights, generating a magnetic field to kiss Helen and send those cabal guys flying.

Also, the blood seems to have given Druitt his teleporting ability, which isn't a power usually associated with vampires I think.

EH-T
November 18th, 2008, 04:08 PM
magnets, it all comes down to magnets ;)


:)



I am still curious as to how Tesla was able to activate those lights...

Unless of course the Sanctuary vampires are different than the traditional scifi ones.

Weren't you listening to Sky? Magnets! ;)

majorsal
November 18th, 2008, 06:49 PM
Also, the blood seems to have given Druitt his teleporting ability, which isn't a power usually associated with vampires I think.

'did' helen's blood give druit that ability, or did he already have it, but doing it was causing his rage and brain damage? did helen's blood cure his disabilities?

i love this show! :D

EvenstarSRV
November 18th, 2008, 07:25 PM
'did' helen's blood give druit that ability, or did he already have it, but doing it was causing his rage and brain damage? did helen's blood cure his disabilities?

I was thinking the vampire blood they all injected themselves with gave Druitt his abilities, though his own genes may have influenced the type of 'gift' he got. Maybe using his powers damages his brain in some way, and there's some special property of Helen's blood (perhaps the 'simple and elegant' gift conferred by the vampire blood) that repairs some of that damage.

Though Skydiver and EH-T probably have the right idea, it's all because of magnets! :D (that scene in Rite of Passage just killed me the first time I saw it :jack:)



i love this show! :D

Ditto! :)

Rocky89
November 18th, 2008, 07:40 PM
i love this show! :D

I'm actually not so sure I do anymore :(.

I can't decided if I love the show more or Helen more http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/NewHelen.gif

:D:P

Agent_Dark
November 18th, 2008, 08:48 PM
I am still curious as to how Tesla was able to activate those lights...

Magnetic Field + Conductor + relative motion between the two = electricity.

helenmagnus23
November 19th, 2008, 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by Celandine

My thoughts exactly, but did they have the technology back in the 1880's to freeze an embryo? And heck, even before this, did they have the technology to even extract an egg and do the fertilization?

No they didnt have the technology back then but i'm guessing the Sanctuary was far ahead of it's time and even outside the Sanctuary for Helen to freeze the embryo at that in the 1880's onwards i'm guessing she could have gone to one of THE FIVE perhaps have Tesla make the device in which to keep the embryo and have Watson help her remove it and then when the time is right place it back inside her without Druitt noticing .


Originally Posted by majorsal
i love this show!:D


Originally posted by Rocky89
I'm actually not so sure I do anymore .

I can't decided if I love the show more or Helen more

It keep's getting better and better i cant wait to see more Sanctuary and Amanda :jack_new_anime07::D:sam:

Celandine
November 19th, 2008, 08:00 AM
No they didnt have the technology back then but i'm guessing the Sanctuary was far ahead of it's time and even outside the Sanctuary for Helen to freeze the embryo at that in the 1880's onwards i'm guessing she could have gone to one of THE FIVE perhaps have Tesla make the device in which to keep the embryo and have Watson help her remove it and then when the time is right place it back inside her without Druitt noticing .

If that's the case then I think that's a bit scary. To trust someone with a life that you treasure when you don't even like the person isnt very wise. Didn't Helen say nobody of the Five even liked Tesla?

I seriously doubt he had any part in Helen's actions and this is probably the best thing as I also could see Tesla using this knowledge against Helen as her Achilles heel so to speak. Helen would give anything for the safety of Ashley I believe.

Also, I read an article the other day where Amanda states that Helen's only gift, the 'simple but elegant' one, was longevity. In the article, she brought up a rather interesting point that I never even thought of though which is rather interesting.

With Helen being able to live a long life, her decision to bring Ashley into this world was both a happy one as well as a sad one as she didnt know if she would actually see Ashley grow up, mature and die while she herself still lived or if something of the effects she is experiencing would be passed down into Ashley.

hisg1fans
November 19th, 2008, 08:31 AM
<snip>
With Helen being able to live a long life, her decision to bring Ashley into this world was both a happy one as well as a sad one as she didnt know if she would actually see Ashley grow up, mature and die while she herself still lived or if something of the effects she is experiencing would be passed down into Ashley.

The scene at the end made me wonder if some of Ashely's anger wasn't because she finds out she may not be as human as she thought she was. Ashley seems to have had a superior attitude, mentioned by Druitt, to the abnormals.

This brought me to the question.......is Ashely human or abnormal?

Does either Ashley or Helen know exactly what Ashely is?

Any ideas?

Great show by the way. I loved Tesla and the actor who played him. This show is pretty darn good. I love the history and science added, just like SG1 used to have.

Skydiver
November 19th, 2008, 01:14 PM
i have a funny feeling that helen ran a blood test or two on infant ashley. she'd have to know

lunarleviathan
November 20th, 2008, 05:41 AM
My money is on Ashley being an abnormal in some way.

She still needs to trim that awful fringe though...

starlover
November 20th, 2008, 07:47 AM
I think as well that Ashley is an abnormal...but I also have a feeling that perhaps Helen took away her power/abnormality or atleast disabled it, if it was dangerous. Helen experienced herself how bad it can be to have an power/abnormality( think of the first episode, that she brought the fetus to full term because she couldn't stand the loneliness anymore)

I am curious if she has it if it's dormant(sp?) or not...and how Ashley reacts on it...

Celandine
November 20th, 2008, 08:18 AM
I think as well that Ashley is an abnormal...but I also have a feeling that perhaps Helen took away her power/abnormality or atleast disabled it, if it was dangerous. Helen experienced herself how bad it can be to have an power/abnormality( think of the first episode, that she brought the fetus to full term because she couldn't stand the loneliness anymore)

I am curious if she has it if it's dormant(sp?) or not...and how Ashley reacts on it...

I have my bets on Ashley being abnormal too based solely on what Druitt told her.

How could Helen disable an abnormality though? Perhaps the first tendrils of the gift are there already but with Ashley's skill as a fighter, she doesnt even notice it herself yet. I believe later on the gift will become more apparent. Perhaps because Ashley focuses more on it now that she knows a bit of her past or maybe as she gets older the gift increases all on its own.

Can't wait to find out! :)

Skydiver
November 20th, 2008, 10:44 AM
it can go back to the nature vs nurture thing

using dexter as an example. Harry, his adoptive dad, saw the sociopathic tendancies in him. and he knew that he couldn't make dexter NOT be who and what he was...so he taught him a code. 'you can only kill those that have killed others' and then he taught him how to kill in a way so as not to get caught.

harry couldn't control dexter and couldn't make him stop being who he was...but he could steer that potential to the least harmful path possible.

it's possible that helen did the same with ashley.

majorsal
November 20th, 2008, 04:13 PM
i rewatched 'the five' last night. wednesday night is the perfect night for me to watch the show, because tv is abysmal that night! :p

this episode is my fave, and 'kush' comes next! :D

i definitely like the difference in how ashley found out about who her real dad was here. and i really like ashley in the tv version of this show. she's softer and more relatable.

but back to the scene... i think what i appreciated the most, was that ashley wasn't 'just' some snarky back-talking tough chic, but a more real woman, even though they let her make some witty quips. but the quips were more *real*, if that makes sense.

i LOVE the scene at the very end, where helen is basically begging ashley to forgive her. ash had to take in a LOT, but she couldn't cut out her mother (and not just for her mistakes). ashley really does have a lot to be angry about... i'm so glad she let it go enough to hold onto her mom.

the look on helen's face in that scene... such subtle and beautiful work. ~fangirl moment~




sally :D

Rocky89
November 20th, 2008, 07:49 PM
i rewatched 'the five' last night. wednesday night is the perfect night for me to watch the show, because tv is abysmal that night! :p

this episode is my fave, and 'kush' comes next! :D

i definitely like the difference in how ashley found out about who her real dad was here. and i really like ashley in the tv version of this show. she's softer and more relatable.

but back to the scene... i think what i appreciated the most, was that ashley wasn't 'just' some snarky back-talking tough chic, but a more real woman, even though they let her make some witty quips. but the quips were more *real*, if that makes sense.

i LOVE the scene at the very end, where helen is basically begging ashley to forgive her. ash had to take in a LOT, but she couldn't cut out her mother (and not just for her mistakes). ashley really does have a lot to be angry about... i'm so glad she let it go enough to hold onto her mom.

the look on helen's face in that scene... such subtle and beautiful work. ~fangirl moment~



sally :D

I think you kinda like Helen and the actress who plays who? :D. Oh, and I have a good feeling Requiem will be your fav :).

ann_sgcfan
November 20th, 2008, 08:53 PM
Regarding Ashley being normal or abnormal:

The serum awakened a dormant gene in Nikola. I'm guessing the serum did the same for all of them, altered their DNA enough to awaken this gift that was dormant. That's why all the gifts are different. I think without the serum they would be normal, although very intelligent scientists in the 1800's. So for this reason I think John and Helen were both normal (whatever that is) prior to the serum and it all depends on when Ashley was conceived prior to the serum or after the serum. Even if it's after I think of it like any DNA abnormality sometimes it's passed on to their off spring and sometimes it skips a generation :D Only time will tell. :p Should be fun to see where Damian and Co take the story.

Mousie
November 25th, 2008, 01:20 AM
Loved, the episode, loved it, I can't wait for next week. I too have problems hearing a lot of John's lines.

AvatarIII
November 25th, 2008, 04:59 AM
awesome episode!! vapires, werewolves, tesla, flashbacks, john becoming a goodie?? will tesla be the new baddie?? now we know whatshisface's ability will we see that more? are watson and the photosensitive guy still around or is it only tesla, druitt and magnus left? are there more vampires or just the ones tesla created?

Mousie
November 25th, 2008, 05:06 AM
awesome episode!! vapires, werewolves, tesla, flashbacks, john becoming a goodie?? will tesla be the new baddie?? now we know whatshisface's ability will we see that more? are watson and the photosensitive guy still around or is it only tesla, druitt and magnus left? are there more vampires or just the ones tesla created?

I think Watson and Griffen are still around as in the first episode when John injected Helen's blood and voided out he said "The five, the others, they will come" If it was only Telsa left he wouldn't say 'the others' it would have just been 'tesla will come'

jasminaGo
November 25th, 2008, 05:22 AM
awesome episode!! vapires, werewolves, tesla, flashbacks, john becoming a goodie?? will tesla be the new baddie?? now we know whatshisface's ability will we see that more? are watson and the photosensitive guy still around or is it only tesla, druitt and magnus left? are there more vampires or just the ones tesla created?

Spoilers for the end of the season

Watson will show up in the last two episodes this season, as for Griffin, there is always season 2.

AvatarIII
November 25th, 2008, 05:41 AM
with griffin (suprised i didn't remember that as it's my mums maiden name) what kind of ability is photosensitivity? obviously each of the 5 got traits from vampires, but he was rather unlucky to get their main flaw! do you think there may be anything positive he got from it that went unmentioned?

Skydiver
November 25th, 2008, 05:53 AM
depends on what photosensitivity is, but if it's a sensitivity to light...then i'd imagine that he'd be like a cat, able to 'see in the dark'

which could give him a massive advantage in some areas. I have the idea that, when griffin shows up, it'll be somewhere subteranean and spooky....like caves or catacombs...and he'll have the 'never see the sun deathly whiteness' :)

RealmOfX
November 25th, 2008, 08:50 AM
with griffin (suprised i didn't remember that as it's my mums maiden name) what kind of ability is photosensitivity? obviously each of the 5 got traits from vampires, but he was rather unlucky to get their main flaw! do you think there may be anything positive he got from it that went unmentioned?

It may be a reference to The Invisible Man.


I just had a thought (now, now! no snarky remarks :D) wasn't Griffin the name of The Invisible Man?

Must go and check my H. G. Wells collection.

<added>

Yep, his name was Griffin and he was an almost albino which fits with the photo sensitivity. It also fits in with Damian's love of The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

AvatarIII
November 25th, 2008, 09:11 AM
thanks RoX, i didn't bother reading back, in retrospect i probably should have.

majorsal
November 25th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Loved, the episode, loved it, I can't wait for next week. I too have problems hearing a lot of John's lines.

on a side note, but i thought it was just sanctuary that i had probs hearing dialog, but i watched a bit of atlantis that was on before sanctuary, and i had probs hearing them too. it's the scifi channel. :S

Celandine
November 25th, 2008, 11:08 PM
It may be a reference to The Invisible Man.

From TV.com:

Druitt: Griffin's molecules became photosensitive.

"Griffin" is the name of the title character in H.G. Well's The Invisible Man. Griffin became invisible by changing the photosensitivity (sensitivity to light) of the molecules of his body. Druitt implies that Nigel Griffin and Wells' Griffin (whose first name is never used in the novel) are the same person.

chocdoc
November 26th, 2008, 03:36 PM
It's great to read everybody's comments on The Five. This is my favorite episode so far because we get some background on Magnus.

Sanctuary is coming into its own with this episode. I have liked the characters from the start, but now my interest in them even went higher after this episode.

Matt G
November 27th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Hmmmm...

1. I don't think the Cabal are going to be much of an issue now - Tesla will blow their backsides off.

2. John as a good guy. OK, fine.

3. Henry as a what? Werewolf? Whatever.

4. I'm starting to get Gwen in Torchwood vibes off Will.

Some cool stuff here.

tagger
November 29th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I didn't read any other comments, so what I say may be repeating. I had to watch the episode again to get more clues. :)

The late showtime is kicking my rear, since I get up so early for work... webisode downloading ROCKED - it was timeless...

So, is Druitt cured? :D:D How cool would that be? Or, is he faking it? Pathologically poor morals(read: psychopath) cured by a blood-borne protein (or other blood constituent)? Wow. :D If that is the case, the ramifications are limitless. :cool:

Dude. Magnus experimented on herself? I have medical peers that have done that, but it still freaks me out. :(

Lighting-associated skin changes can cause a burn pattern similar to Druitts' scars = arborization. Usually, it doesn't scar in the same pattern. Yikes. It implies the voltage Tesla used was ginormous?

I can't figure out the use of electricity to cause a genetic change/ body change thingy yet... I'm sure someone has, though. :) I'm too tired to figure it out right now.

I enjoyed the episode. The vampire was perfectly arrogant. Very well done.

I know people, I'm totally behind the times, but at this point:


I CAN"T WAIT FOR REQUIEM!!

:):):):)

Achaja
December 2nd, 2008, 06:13 AM
I like the episode :) However Will was a bit backed off I think...
Great idea with Tesla (handsome one :samanime20:) and omg Helen choose her fate - wow! It surprised me!

kes
December 28th, 2008, 06:19 AM
Remind me again...what is Watsons' ability?

RealmOfX
December 28th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Remind me again...what is Watsons' ability?

"Watson's mind grew to new heights"

Chelle DB
December 30th, 2008, 03:52 AM
So the five all obviously have the longevity...what does Helen have extra that the others don't have then? I hope we find out before the season ends next week!

kes
January 3rd, 2009, 11:38 AM
So the five all obviously have the longevity...what does Helen have extra that the others don't have then? I hope we find out before the season ends next week!

I dont think the 5 have longevity. Well obviously one is dead and if they make it so he faked is death it will be extremly lame LOL
Druitt is alive because of Helen's blood and Watson is some sort of cyborg. At least that is how I'm "reading" it.

EDIT In the webisodes Ash calls Druitt a "time traveling lunatic" but in the eps Helen says to Will she gave him her blood to prolonge his life. And he wanted her blood again so

helenmagnus23
April 8th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Hi

I was woundering if anyone can help me i cant for the life of me rember what is said in the flash back of THE FIVE ? the reson i'am asking is i'am writting a story and i need to know what is said i cant remember if anyone can help me out that would be great :D thank u

jelgate
April 8th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Hi

I was woundering if anyone can help me i cant for the life of me rember what is said in the flash back of THE FIVE ? the reson i'am asking is i'am writting a story and i need to know what is said i cant remember if anyone can help me out that would be great :D thank u

You'll have to be more specfic. Their were a few flashbacks.

helenmagnus23
April 8th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by jelgate
You'll have to be more specfic. Their were a few flashbacks.

It is the scene where we see Helen being injected with the pure blood back in the 1800's :D

kes
April 11th, 2009, 06:09 AM
http://sanctuary.wikia.com/wiki/The_Five_(transcript)

Transcript of the entire ep.

kivawolfspeaker
April 18th, 2009, 09:29 AM
I've been thinking about something after having a couple discussions with a friend whose studied the real Tesla for decades. Tesla says he made a vow not to feed on humans and that he intended to keep it, dispite Helen asking him if he stopped taking his meds.

If Sanctuary intends to get Tesla right, Tesla made that vow himself, and insisted that Helen come up with or help him come up with a medication for him to fight/not have the blood lust that comes with being a vampire (as far as they know) or find another source of blood that is not human. If it is the other way around (Helen & The Five urged Tesla to make the vow) than Sanctuary really has not done their research, and to anyone who knows the real Tesla well, he becomes more unbelievable.

Any thoughts?

Caitidid
May 15th, 2009, 04:48 PM
I agree, most definitely.

Also, I read up a bit on Tesla and I'm thinking the actor who played him, Jonathan Young, did to. Notice how he was always pulls out that handkerchief and wipes his hands, I read the real Tesla was thought to be slightly OCD and had a thing about human hair. Obviously the character won't follow the person exactly, but I really liked how they pulled in different aspects of Tesla's life, like his comments about his death and such. For me, that's what makes Tesla's character so interesting.

And Young's portayal was excellent, his whole body was into the character, every move and turn. Go back and watch the episode and just watch the characters body language.

I have mixed feelings about the acting on this show but I like it well enough. But Jonathan Young did a phenomenal job. Frankly, the best way they TPTB can keep my interest is if they put more Tesla in the episodes. This episode was, by far, the best.

I think the best part was that he's not one of "the good guys", but not exactly one of the bad ones either. Lots of potential with this character, I just hope they use it.

EvenstarSRV
May 15th, 2009, 09:16 PM
I agree, most definitely.

Also, I read up a bit on Tesla and I'm thinking the actor who played him, Jonathan Young, did to. Notice how he was always pulls out that handkerchief and wipes his hands, I read the real Tesla was thought to be slightly OCD and had a thing about human hair. Obviously the character won't follow the person exactly, but I really liked how they pulled in different aspects of Tesla's life, like his comments about his death and such. For me, that's what makes Tesla's character so interesting.

And Young's portayal was excellent, his whole body was into the character, every move and turn. Go back and watch the episode and just watch the characters body language.


Jonathan Young played Tesla (a non-vampiric version ;)) in a Vancouver stage production about Tesla and his inventions. I agree he was fantastic in this episode. :)

Caitidid
May 15th, 2009, 10:17 PM
Jonathan Young played Tesla (a non-vampiric version ) in a Vancouver stage production about Tesla and his inventions. I agree he was fantastic in this episode.

Wait, wait, the same actor who plays Tesla in Sanctuary?! That's impressively well thought out and cast on the part of TPTB.

EvenstarSRV
May 16th, 2009, 03:10 PM
Wait, wait, the same actor who plays Tesla in Sanctuary?! That's impressively well thought out and cast on the part of TPTB.

Yep. http://www.electriccompanytheatre.com/coverage/research-a-criticism/28-brilliant-lights-up-the-stage.html

I don't know for certain, but I'm sure his stage performance was a significant factor in Young getting cast for Sanctuary's Tesla, plus he'd guested on Stargate before. :)

kes
May 16th, 2009, 04:21 PM
Yep. http://www.electriccompanytheatre.com/coverage/research-a-criticism/28-brilliant-lights-up-the-stage.html

I don't know for certain, but I'm sure his stage performance was a significant factor in Young getting cast for Sanctuary's Tesla, plus he'd guested on Stargate before. :)

It was said in an interview, I think it was AT, that Christopher Heyerdahl suggested him.

Samantha.Majka
August 30th, 2009, 06:24 AM
I saw this episode yesterday again. And I love Tesla.
He looks great with Helen. But he is a little crazy :-)

AresLover452
October 26th, 2009, 12:59 PM
I saw this episode yesterday again. And I love Tesla.
He looks great with Helen. But he is a little crazy :-)


A little crazy? LOL!!!! he wanted to resurrect the Vampires, but his vampires were dumb.... lol!!


I liked the John/Ashley element of the FIVE. he was a lot better in this one, what with him being sane and all.

MissCheerfully
October 29th, 2009, 01:59 PM
I saw this episode yesterday again. And I love Tesla.
He looks great with Helen. But he is a little crazy :-)

Aha! He's the best! I love him so much more than John, he so much better for Helen =P
She has the choise, Vampire or Ripper? xD

AresLover452
October 29th, 2009, 02:06 PM
Aha! He's the best! I love him so much more than John, he so much better for Helen =P
She has the choise, Vampire or Ripper? xD


That is a real tough choice.... lol!!!

WishIwasJoes
October 30th, 2009, 02:53 PM
For real can we have a show with just The Five? They were such a great bunch!
Watson and Clara were great. The tension between John and Watson was wonderful. James was sure hurt by johns past crimes and on so many levels. That actor kicked butt on that episode. Him and CH together was just BANG!

AresLover452
October 30th, 2009, 02:56 PM
For real can we have a show with just The Five? They were such a great bunch!
Watson and Clara were great. The tension between John and Watson was wonderful. James was sure hurt by johns past crimes and on so many levels. That actor kicked butt on that episode. Him and CH together was just BANG!

John: elementary my dear Watson.

James: Oh shut up!

Both laugh and all is right with them... lol!!

WishIwasJoes
November 3rd, 2009, 04:50 PM
OK just listened to the commentary on this episode and I was really annoyed with MW. First off he said he hated this episode. He though it had alot of problems. I however have to say that this is one of my favs. JY does such a cool job of playing Tesla and DK, AT and MW said that CH was the one who pointed out JY for the role when they were going to cast.

They were a bit worried when they had the read through but once the camera came on JY ruled the screen. He totally screen stole from AT! lol

Commentary was ok except MW seems to not let AT talk and not like it when DK is bieng funny. DK was talking in funny accents and I could not stop laughing. I wanted to hear AT thoughts more but she was too nice to over talk MW even though he did that to her. bleh!

I really suggest getting teh DVD set if you can. The commentarys are really insightful. Just wish the actors were allowed to talk more.

AresLover452
November 3rd, 2009, 05:39 PM
I love actor commentary. It would be kewl if there was AT and CH commentary for EON 1 on S2... lol!!

But i loved the FIVE it gave background into what Helen was doing back in the Victorian era.

jckfan55
November 4th, 2009, 10:43 AM
OK just listened to the commentary on this episode and I was really annoyed with MW.
Commentary was ok except MW seems to not let AT talk and not like it when DK is bieng funny. DK was talking in funny accents and I could not stop laughing. I wanted to hear AT thoughts more but she was too nice to over talk MW even though he did that to her. bleh!

I really suggest getting teh DVD set if you can. The commentarys are really insightful. Just wish the actors were allowed to talk more.

MW just can't seem to help himself. He's always been a chatterbox. :(

I noticed when John kidnapped Ashley, that although he shot her ! he seemed almost gentle when he teleported her to the warehouse. Being fatherly for a moment?

AresLover452
November 4th, 2009, 01:44 PM
MW just can't seem to help himself. He's always been a chatterbox. :(

I noticed when John kidnapped Ashley, that although he shot her ! he seemed almost gentle when he teleported her to the warehouse. Being fatherly for a moment?

It was a good moment when he slowly cupped the back of her neck... course then he had to screw it up by tying her to a chair, but in his defense Ash would have tried to kick his ass...lol!!

angelfire east
December 11th, 2009, 10:54 AM
They come in 3's...

thanks for this. That was really interesting to read. And now that I've watched "The Five" for the 3rd time I can see the idiosyncrasies that embodied Nikola Tesla. It said that later in his life he became obsessed with the number 3 and if you look closely you'll notice its prevalence in the episode.

-3 stories going on: Will, Henry and Bigfoot at the Sanctuary; Helen and Tesla in Rome; Druitt and Ashley in the warehouse.
-only 3 of "The Five" were seen; Helen, John and Nikola.
-3 places that John took Ashley while they were fighting: Japan, Hell, Falling from a building
-Tesla saying that Magnus had 3 minutes before she would be killed
-Tesla resurrected 3 "mini-me" vampires
-Magnus shot Tesla 3 times in the chest before escaping
-Henry had 3 body piercings (hee!)

of course, i could be seeing 3 up the whazoo, but...okay, i can't think of anything more.

Oh that is so interesting. I competely miss all the threes. I rememeber reading that the real Tesla was obsessed with the number 3. He did things in three and only stayed in hotels with rooms that could be derived(sp) of three. He died in room 33 of a hotel I think. Great catch on all the threes. LOL at Henry having three body piercing:D


But I digress, after reading about Tesla, I got all the jokes about Edison being a cheapskate (Edison paid him 18 dollars a week and bought his patents dirt cheap), John's disdain for Tesla saying that he leached off of Marconi (Tesla sued him I think). And the plans for the deathray or peace-ray as the press called it, that he gave to both the US govt and European countries. ("Whose hair-brained idea was it to give the plans to all the governments of the Allied Forces anyways? - Magnus...to which he joked "I had my Nobel Prize speech all memorized.")

So much stuff. I loved it! They got his character down from his obsessive-compulsiveness, his meticulousness, his arrogance, his penchant for living in hotels, how he was always bit of a showman.

Aftering reading up on the real Tesha I got all those little jokes and they are so funny. I love that they had his obsessive little compulsions like cleaning his hand after touching things. I missed the one about his penchant for living in hotels. I loved what a snowmen he was. Funniest part was when he came back to life staked to the wall and said "I want to suck your blood'.

Jonthon Young and the writers really did a wonderful job! I wonder if JY added in some of the little thing as he studed and played Tesha in a play years ago with him company.

nikolasgirl
December 11th, 2009, 01:30 PM
yeah jy did amazing job as Tesla and ch did an amazing job as john and Bigfoot lol

angelfire east
December 11th, 2009, 02:56 PM
yeah jy did amazing job as Tesla and ch did an amazing job as john and Bigfoot lol

I love when Jonathon, Chris and Amanda are on scene together. They are all such fantastic actors they high the bring everything to a new level. Not that the other actors in the show aren't brilliant. It's just I can watch their scenes again and again and kept up on new things I missed each time.

AresLover452
December 11th, 2009, 03:42 PM
I love when Jonathon, Chris and Amanda are on scene together. They are all such fantastic actors they high the bring everything to a new level. Not that the other actors in the show aren't brilliant. It's just I can watch their scenes again and again and kept up on new things I missed each time.


AT CH and JY are really good. The energy and the way they can feed off each other to make a scene is just brilliant and ISTA I can watch their scenes all day over and over and over again! lol!! so great

helenmagnus23
December 12th, 2009, 05:32 AM
I agree i can watch AT,CH&JY scene's over and over i love this eps alot :D

I love that bit when John open's his shirt a bit to show Ash what Tesla done to him :D

When John saves Helen and he stick's his hand through Tesla very cool

I love it when Tesla say's he loves Helen (i think he meant it ) but his wrk comes first no matter how crazy it is lol

I like how similer John and Tesla are in a way in that they are boath crazy at times they boath love to kill and they boath love Helen and they boath sooooooooooo charming :D

If i was in Helen's place i dont think i'd beable to choose between John and Nickola :D

angelfire east
December 12th, 2009, 03:09 PM
I love it when Tesla say's he loves Helen (i think he meant it ) but his wrk comes first no matter how crazy it is lol

I think he meant it too on some level but as you say his work comes first - his dream of being vampires come first. I also think he acted rashly when he was about to kill Helen. Or maybe he knew if anyone had a chance at stopping him it would be her. She's a magnificent woman so I could easily see Nicola back in 1800s could fall in love with her and stay in love with her through all the years. And I can also see how he won't want her working against him.


I like how similer John and Tesla are in a way in that they are boath crazy at times they boath love to kill and they boath love Helen and they boath sooooooooooo charming :D

I love characters that are not completely bad or good that play both sides to suit there own needs.

SilverSlippers
December 13th, 2009, 03:42 PM
I just noticed something with this episode, possibly someone on here might have an explanation.

I noticed that when John kidnaps Ashley, Will & Co. back at the Sanctuary never notice that she's gone. I know that they knew she was going out to talk to Squid, but do you think they should have noticed that she'd been gone longer than it should have taken to talk to Squid? Or were they just too caught up with the goings on at the Sanctuary to notice.

AresLover452
December 13th, 2009, 10:11 PM
i think they were too caught up with the damage and then eventually will being chased by the giant snake creature... that wouldhave my mind occupied for a while... lol!!

Tachyon
February 14th, 2010, 06:35 AM
This episode is good!

Interesting story and some serious character developent in the air. What's not to like? :D

Jacquelyn
April 6th, 2010, 05:11 PM
Clearest cap I could get...it happens so fast so don't blink.

Don't look if you don't want to know.

Looks to me that our beloved Henry is a werewolf :cool:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/249/sonatavolume0zx4.jpg

Great episode! Everyone did a awesome job. I didn't want the episode to end.
Yep that's exactly what I thought he was. In fact it was obvious to me. :lol:


This episode is good!

Interesting story and some serious character developent in the air. What's not to like? :D
I agree. What's not to like? The answer is...NOTHING! :)

ANYWAY...The Five was an awesome ep!! :D I just love the fact that Nikola has a thing for Helen. "Kiss me and I'll save your life." :P

Kyarra
April 7th, 2010, 10:16 PM
ANYWAY...The Five was an awesome ep!! :D I just love the fact that Nikola has a thing for Helen. "Kiss me and I'll save your life." :P

not to mention the "P.S. You look hot." on the end of his note... :)

Jacquelyn
April 8th, 2010, 08:20 AM
not to mention the "P.S. You look hot." on the end of his note... :)

Haha yea there's that too.
PLUS the "You look sexy with a gun" thing.. :D

mylovejack
May 1st, 2010, 04:05 PM
This episode is really good ^^

Ibn Rushd
July 5th, 2011, 09:48 AM
This was great to see the development of John and Helen's past. Adds great depth to the background story.

Elorendil
July 16th, 2011, 09:05 AM
I agree, this is a great episode and really adds depth and interest to the story. I like finding out little tidbits of Magnus' past here and there, it really makes me want to keep watching and find out more about her mysterious past. It is also really interesting that the five were, if I understood correctly, normals who turned themselves into abnormals.

Altariel
September 11th, 2011, 09:55 AM
I watched that ep this day. So that was Teslas first appeariance. It is really strange to see how he was then and how he is now. I wonder if this character should have been written differently but then TPTB changed their minds. Maybe influenced by the actor. I guess it was by his long isolation that he became a little obsessed with his plans but in the end of season 3 he seems more socialized, he himself said, that that what he had could hardly be described as a life, hiding 60 years from the cabal. Great episode.

NumberSix
September 15th, 2011, 07:41 AM
Altariel - I kind of thought so too. All those years of being in hiding, with the Cabal after him, are bound to have some effect on him (having obsessions). And even though he prefers to work alone it was likely a very lonely life for him. John said that Tesla wanted his vampires to "topple the Cabal once and for all" and if the Cabal were after him for 60+ years I can see why he'd want to be rid of them. He has grown as a character since then though, and I like the changes they've made in him.

selene0789
September 22nd, 2011, 12:42 PM
I loved this episode. And I know that now everyone's saying "Oh, Magnus and Tesla probably had some dalliance together in the century they'd known each other" yada yada, but I loved Helen's reaction to his confession of love. It looked like it had taken her totally off guard, and I think that was the first time in the series that we'd seen Magnus taken aback like that. And I think that speaks to a lot of how their consequent onscreen relationship played out over consequent episodes... Nikola remains the one person who can keep her on her toes like that. It's what makes him intriguing to her, and what drives her to continually clean up after him and humor him and put up with him through all his shenanigans.

I definitely think she needs the intrigue that surrounds him, and the brainpower needed to see through his theatrics to the brilliant (if mostly misguided) experiment/plan/whatever hiding beneath.

And that's all I got to say about that. ::nods solemnly::

For now, anyway ;)

JanSam
July 29th, 2012, 05:48 PM
The Five is one of the best episodes of Season 1. I loved the introduction of Tesla and the insights of how The Five came to be abnormal (although I believe they contradict themselves later in the series).
I do wish we got to see more of the fallout between Ashley, John and Helen over Ashley discovering John is her father. So much to explore which unfortunately they never did.
I'm sure there was some fallout between Helen and Will with his being left out of Henry's secrets since he was so insistent that Helen reveal everything to him. Can't say I blame Henry, I wouldn't want the newbie to know my secrets especially when it is one I'm having a hard time coming to terms with.

Skydiver
July 30th, 2012, 05:12 PM
mmhm
nikola, oh so much fun, but dude how did he change over the series? went from 'endangering helen to get his dream' to 'supporter and ally'

It was funny how Will was in charge, but wasn't....but then once the snake started showing up, it was less 'me boss' and more 'let's all work together', which is how it should have been.

we find out that helen treated Nikola....are you still taking your meds? so did she cook up a vampire suppression serum?

we find out about the source blood...but you know we never do find the source of the source blood.

and we get revisionist history about vampires - openly contradicting the internet version of the webbie and ash hunting mr vamp lawyer

we hear watson and griffin's voices.

Nikola wants to make more vampires - which you know, is really the beginning of ash's fate....you think the trust didn't find out what he wanted, a loyal and smart army...and ash is the collateral damage. Wonder if Helen ever realized that Nikola's experiment cost her her daughter?

we see nikola's unnamed Vamper...but then the other side of John. (as it turns out) decrittered so he's calm and remorseful, if still more than capable of killing someone.

A different way for ash to find out who daddy is...and the beginning of ash's self-doubt....am i human? what am I? am I a monster?

so much back story and set up..canon that they may later disregard, forget or tweak, but such a rich story.

NumberSix
August 2nd, 2012, 11:33 AM
Great episode. Thought Tesla was going to be a great character to add to the show, smart, snarky, someone from Helen's past --- then they kill him off. Or did they? That's what I was thinking the first time I saw it, but we know the answer now. ;)

I liked the recurring theme of the number 3 because real-life Tesla was obsessed with 3.

Will: I'm not really in charge, am I.
Then Biggie's reaction. Loved that.







Nikola wants to make more vampires - which you know, is really the beginning of ash's fate....you think the trust didn't find out what he wanted, a loyal and smart army...and ash is the collateral damage. Wonder if Helen ever realized that Nikola's experiment cost her her daughter?

.

But did they really get the idea from Nikola? I don't think that necessarily true. Helen did find out about his experiment but we never see her blaming him for what happened with Ashley, and she doesn't seem the type to mince words if she had felt that way.

jckfan55
August 2nd, 2012, 04:41 PM
I'm sure there was some fallout between Helen and Will with his being left out of Henry's secrets since he was so insistent that Helen reveal everything to him. Can't say I blame Henry, I wouldn't want the newbie to know my secrets especially when it is one I'm having a hard time coming to terms with.
There's some doctor-patient confidentiality going there. I thought Will was being kind of an ass.

Skydiver
August 3rd, 2012, 03:48 AM
But did they really get the idea from Nikola? I don't think that necessarily true. Helen did find out about his experiment but we never see her blaming him for what happened with Ashley, and she doesn't seem the type to mince words if she had felt that way.

We don't know where they got the idea from. But he was trying to make a super soldier, but his created vamps were obedient but stupid. the cabal was chasing him, clearly seeing his experiments as either a threat or something they wanted to get their hands on, then just a few months later they are doing one of their own, rewriting Ash's DNA to make her an obedient but smart soldier.

don't know if the show even put it together, I know I didn't the first time I watched it, but this time, knowing the ultimate ending, it seemed that nikola's experiment was a precursor to the cabal's.

JanSam
August 3rd, 2012, 05:39 AM
Helen and Tesla at the very least drew attention of the Cabal to the source blood with their resistance to the Cabal forces in Rome. If they didn't know about the source blood before they had to find out about it from this incident to have the plans in place when they went after Ashley.

JanSam
August 3rd, 2012, 05:42 AM
There's some doctor-patient confidentiality going there. I thought Will was being kind of an ass.

Yes I agree and from Biggie's actions; I'd say he thought so too :D.

NumberSix
August 6th, 2012, 09:50 AM
We don't know where they got the idea from. But he was trying to make a super soldier, but his created vamps were obedient but stupid. the cabal was chasing him, clearly seeing his experiments as either a threat or something they wanted to get their hands on, then just a few months later they are doing one of their own, rewriting Ash's DNA to make her an obedient but smart soldier.

don't know if the show even put it together, I know I didn't the first time I watched it, but this time, knowing the ultimate ending, it seemed that nikola's experiment was a precursor to the cabal's.

JanSam: Helen and Tesla at the very least drew attention of the Cabal to the source blood with their resistance to the Cabal forces in Rome. If they didn't know about the source blood before they had to find out about it from this incident to have the plans in place when they went after Ashley.

Could have been. I guess I was thinking of Nikola's comment later (in End of Nights) to Henry how the Cabal had been planning this move for decades. That's why I thought they maybe didn't get the idea from him. But then maybe he had also been working on his vampires for decades too. Or maybe he got the idea from them, since he was watching them and they were watching him, and both Nikola and the Cabal were working on it at the same time.

blueray
August 9th, 2012, 07:36 AM
There's some doctor-patient confidentiality going there. I thought Will was being kind of an ass.

i can kind of see where will was coming from. he was trying to make sure henry wasn't the attacker. but he should have also respected henry's privacy more than he did.

i never thought about where the kobal got their idea to make the soldiers. it makes sense that they were planning on doing it for decades, but it wasn't until nickola's research that they were able to put it into action. as for blaming nickola for what happened to ashley, i don't think helen does. she knows that wasn't nickola's attent and that the kobal probably stole his research.