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November 7th, 2008, 11:13 AM
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Rodney returns to Earth with Jennifer to witness the triumph of his rival, who believes he has solved the problem of global warming. But when the new technology goes horribly awry, Rodney must help shut down the deadly weather device.

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Skydiver
November 21st, 2008, 06:05 PM
cliched, heavy handed green week entry, predictable and rodney still annoys the crud out of me

but the rodney/keller bits were cute, abouot all that saved it from being totally cringe worthy

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:07 PM
MILE HIGH CLUB!!!!

I think I'm going to hyperventilate now

Holy crapola that was more McKeller than I could have ever hoped for in one single freakin episode!!!!

Dark Matter
November 21st, 2008, 06:07 PM
Green week message annoyed me to, cute episode, but the one thing that pissed me off, "I used a big ax it was really cool!" He fires a gun on a daily basis for gods sake!

Vala_M
November 21st, 2008, 06:07 PM
A very smart and scientific episode!

Vala,

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:08 PM
The rest of it may not have been awesome, but HOLY CRAPOLA the McKeller!!!!

ladyjanus
November 21st, 2008, 06:10 PM
Finally!!!!

Canon ship!

I think I may have the squeee...

jelgate
November 21st, 2008, 06:10 PM
I thought the episode would be okay until the very end. Way to shove McKeller. I totally ignore the McKeller aspect and treat them indvidually it was a decent story. Nothing spectacular but wasn't terrible. However McKeller makes it just a little bit better then Whispers and proving that Stargate can't write decent ships.

Raeth
November 21st, 2008, 06:10 PM
Best line?

"Watch who you're correcting Science Guy, at least my Ph.D isn't honourary!"

Mav
November 21st, 2008, 06:10 PM
This was one of the best episodes of the season. Totally Mckay/Keller.

Loved the "cameo" of Stephen Hawking, great stuff

And any scene with Bill Nye was genius "I'm an engineer! I can do the math!"

Ending was the best, Mckay got some. You go boy, you go.

Dr Quinn
November 21st, 2008, 06:11 PM
And the point of this travesty of a Stargate Atlantis episode that had nothing to do with Stargate Atlantis was......................... what?
What?
The Keller and McKay ship is just the most awful, cringeworthy boat to ever sail the Stargate sea.
I'd pay good money to be Brainwashed into never having seen Brainstorm.
Why couldnt' we have had Ronon and Shep surfing for 45 minutes instead???????????? Make about as much sense as this gawdawful thing.
Maybe Martin Gero thought he was writing his movie Young People F****** and forgot this was Stargate????

Orion Antreas
November 21st, 2008, 06:11 PM
To be honest, it was just alright for me. There were some moments that were great. Bill and Neil guest starring was icing on the cake for me since I admire both. Some of the moments between Keller and Rodney were nice too. But overall, it is probably gonna end up in the bottom portion of my season 5 favorites. It's a shame because there were some great moments in it.

But come to think of it, this season has been so good with excellent episodes. Maybe those excellent episodes pushes "Brain Storm", a good episode, downward. It would make sense actually.

So yeah, alright episode.

Landers
November 21st, 2008, 06:12 PM
Gawd awful.

Nothing else to say.

Dr Quinn
November 21st, 2008, 06:13 PM
The rest of it may not have been awesome, but HOLY CRAPOLA the McKeller!!!!

Holy Crapola indeed, that was CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

SerenaSerenity
November 21st, 2008, 06:13 PM
I actually really enjoyed the episode. I loved the scenes between Rodney and Jennifer. And I think what Rodney was going for with the axe thing is, yeah he uses guns, but it's a manly thing. Bigger is better type of deal. A cliche that is used very often.

None the less, I enjoyed it thoroughly. My opinion of course. *smiles and nods*

Shipperahoy
November 21st, 2008, 06:18 PM
I thought this episode was pretty decent actually. Despite being fed up with the fact that they're wasting the few episodes that are left of the final season of Atlantis focusing on only one or a few of the characters instead of giving us team episodes I did actually like Rodney in this for the most part. I actually found him sort of endearing in his egocentric tendencies and the stuff between him, Bill Nye, and Neil deGrasse Tyson was hilarious. Plus there's the fact that I enjoy Dave Foley quite a bit.

It wasn't a particularly meaningful episode nor did it do anything to further any storyline but it was amusing and I think that TPTB actually did a really good job with the Mckay/Keller stuff. I don't have a lot of faith in them when it comes to romantic relationships on these shows but it was very sweet.

That being said, are Jason Mamoa and Rachel Lutrell still employed? They seem to have been abducted. Hopefully they'll use the last few episodes of the series to showcase the entire team.

Raeth
November 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM
Also...

I'm not a McKeller shipper, but some of the scenes were kinda cute, like when he brought her back to life and she repeats his words from The Shrine. However, I feel the ending was a little forced, if you know what I mean.

Geez, wonder how many fanfictions about this will be written...

The6thRace
November 21st, 2008, 06:23 PM
I thought the episode would be okay until the very end. Way to shove McKeller. I totally ignore the McKeller aspect and treat them indvidually it was a decent story. Nothing spectacular but wasn't terrible. However McKeller makes it just a little bit better then Whispers and proving that Stargate can't write decent ships.

As always Jelgate, your wisdom is only surpassed by your Jelgatedness. Hallowed are the Jelgate.

But yeah, relationships don't belong in Stargate. I'm a firm believer that its better to hint at relationships on TVs then to actually have them. Science fiction especially. The only sci-fi relationship I ever liked was Jadzia/Worf, but thats because they worked the mythos of that show so well into the relationship. Stargate, not so much.

Nice to see the walls of the SGC again - I had more fun imagining what might be going on there right now then I did watching this episode. It wasn't bad, but most of the comedy just fell short. The story was nothing special, and I'm terribly thankful it didn't escalate into 'saving the world' instead of the building. 3 out of 5.

Raeth
November 21st, 2008, 06:25 PM
I'm a firm believer that its better to hint at relationships on TVs then to actually have them.

Ditto. At least for Stargate.

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:26 PM
On a more serious, less squee note; I think Hewlett and Staite did a fantastic job this episode.

Especially the revival scene. That was touching. Rodney's desperation and fear for her life was palpable. Her, "I love you" was a brilliant echo of Rodney's own declaration in The Shrine.

Kudos to them both.

Question? So does Rodney remember saying it, then?

Raeth
November 21st, 2008, 06:27 PM
And another thing. (I should have waited and put this all in one post) When Dr. Keller tried to call the SGC, and they got nothing but static, I'm sure Walter would have alerted someone and they would have tracked the call, because, come on, how many people can get a hold of a number at which to call Stargate Command? They would have figured it'd be important.

StargateHERO
November 21st, 2008, 06:28 PM
On a more serious, less squee note; I think Hewlett and Staite did a fantastic job this episode.

Especially the revival scene. That was touching. Rodney's desperation and fear for her life was palpable. Her, "I love you" was a brilliant echo of Rodney's own declaration in The Shrine.

Kudos to them both.

Question? So does Rodney remember saying it, then?

he probably does remember saying it. well, at least i'm hoping that he does:D

LoneStar1836
November 21st, 2008, 06:29 PM
Gawd awful.

Nothing else to say.
I'll ditto that but add extremely boring to the description and toss in a *barf* for the McKeller.

The6thRace
November 21st, 2008, 06:30 PM
So much for that girl who used to grow plants on Atlantis...

SerenaSerenity
November 21st, 2008, 06:30 PM
But yeah, relationships don't belong in Stargate. I'm a firm believer that its better to hint at relationships on TVs then to actually have them. Science fiction especially. The only sci-fi relationship I ever liked was Jadzia/Worf, but thats because they worked the mythos of that show so well into the relationship. Stargate, not so much.

This is just my own personal opinion. Nothing against your own opinion.

I have to disagree here. I love Sci-Fi, really I do. But I also love the characters and character driven stories. If it was all just about the science and blowing things up, then I would have lost interest in Atlantis a long time ago. I like to know what the characters are thinking. I like the fact that they have relationships and grow. If I didn't get to see that at least in a few episodes, yeah I would not be watching anymore. While blowing things up is fun, getting to know the characters you wanna watch over the years is fun too. At least for me. I mean, they can't be abstinent the whole time. That would be unreal. I know I'd go crazy. lol

Sue_Jackson
November 21st, 2008, 06:31 PM
Boooooooriiiing!!!!!!!! :ronananime17:

Oh.....and the whole McKeller thing? Like Ronon said, "Yeah, whatever." *gags*

JasonG
November 21st, 2008, 06:32 PM
Pointless waste of one of the final episodes of the series. Nothing at all to do with Atlantis. Boring. Bad special effects. Just another vanity project for Gero and an excuse to let McKay get laid.

Speaking of McKeller...no romantic chemistry and McKay's age and receding hairline are really showing. Totally cringeworthy.

And finally, that "I loved you for a very long time" crap is getting old. Just a few episodes ago Keller was trying to make a "romantic" choice. Just last season McKay was proposing to Katie Brown. Do the writers think we're idiots?

Scratch that.

SerenaSerenity
November 21st, 2008, 06:33 PM
And another thing. (I should have waited and put this all in one post) When Dr. Keller tried to call the SGC, and they got nothing but static, I'm sure Walter would have alerted someone and they would have tracked the call, because, come on, how many people can get a hold of a number at which to call Stargate Command? They would have figured it'd be important.

That I have to agree with. I mean, if one were to prank call them they would be on it so fast. Cause you just don't do that kinda thing. Not to a military base anyhow. At least, I think so. I mean, someone pranks 9-11 or something, it's like an offence of some kind. *nod nod*

Michelle05
November 21st, 2008, 06:35 PM
I haven't seen it yet... starts in 30 mins here. Do McKay and Keller actually have s*x? If so... BARF in advance!!!

jelgate
November 21st, 2008, 06:36 PM
I haven't seen it yet... starts in 30 mins here. Do McKay and Keller actually have s*x? If so... BARF in advance!!!They never show it but its implied

The6thRace
November 21st, 2008, 06:37 PM
This is just my own personal opinion. Nothing against your own opinion.

I have to disagree here. I love Sci-Fi, really I do. But I also love the characters and character driven stories. If it was all just about the science and blowing things up, then I would have lost interest in Atlantis a long time ago. I like to know what the characters are thinking. I like the fact that they have relationships and grow. If I didn't get to see that at least in a few episodes, yeah I would not be watching anymore. While blowing things up is fun, getting to know the characters you wanna watch over the years is fun too. At least for me. I mean, they can't be abstinent the whole time. That would be unreal. I know I'd go crazy. lol

I'm all for character growth, no doubt about it. But its also the reason I don't like seeing relationships, as it sort of tames both characters involved in a relationship. And it always makes any future growth sort of hinge on that relationship in most situations.

When I first started watching season 9 of SG-1, I always thought that maybe O'Neill and Carter finally hooked up. It was never spoken of, but it was always interesting to wonder. That wasn't the case as it turned out, but you could almost imply it at one point. But to actually show that relationship (if it did in fact happen, which it didn't) would of kind of ruined some of the mystery. Keeping some aspects of the characters lives shrouded always leaves a lot to the imagination of the fans. It's part of the reason why I like Stargate - they always leave a lot of things open for fans to guess about.

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:38 PM
They never show it but its implied

WOO HOO!

Go McKay!!

SO much for Bill Nye having dibs. :D

the fifth man
November 21st, 2008, 06:39 PM
Yeah, as one of the last episodes of Atlantis, maybe this didn't work so well. But if we didn't only have four episodes left now, this wasn't a bad episode. Different, yeah, but not bad. And I am actually happy for Rodney and Keller.

Skydiver
November 21st, 2008, 06:41 PM
no, rodney didn't say 'i love you' in return

ladyjanus
November 21st, 2008, 06:41 PM
McKay's age and receding hairline???

Little harsh, don't you think?

Skydiver
November 21st, 2008, 06:43 PM
That I have to agree with. I mean, if one were to prank call them they would be on it so fast. Cause you just don't do that kinda thing. Not to a military base anyhow. At least, I think so. I mean, someone pranks 9-11 or something, it's like an offence of some kind. *nod nod*
i agree, a plot hole.

in the 'good old sg1 days' they would have checked the phone records, found out whose phone it is and wonder why they got that number.

whose phone was it?

if it was rod's then they'd know where he was and move a satellite to survey the area, if it was someone else's then it'd be 'yeah, he's at that place where mckay is at....' and investigate

prion
November 21st, 2008, 06:43 PM
Words fail me.

This episode propelled me back to high school - in the quality of the plot and the writing. I mean, was McKay a Marty Sue or what? My god, this was like bad fan fiction. Plot holes, the McKeller (which I didn't mind up until this point as it was so sappy at points) and I won't even get into the horribly inaccurate medicine malpracticed in this episode. Jennifer is hypothermic, then she's DEAD, and he brings her back and she's not griping about a compressed chest, or so frozen she can't really talk... and, argh, gah!!!!!!!!!

However, it wasn't a total loss. Watching the real life scientists pick on Rodney was fun, but it was so brief...

Best part? The snippets from next week's episode!!

as for the 'mile high club'? implied but not verified. fans who want to believe it happened will, and others won't... however, if jennifer turns up pregnant in the movie... *cough*

Lucylee
November 21st, 2008, 06:44 PM
???

Little harsh, don't you think?

But he does look quite a bit older than her, it's kinda squicky to some of us.

Michelle05
November 21st, 2008, 06:44 PM
no, rodney didn't say 'i love you' in return

Oh, thank you. I can therefore fanwank my way out of it. :)

Skydiver
November 21st, 2008, 06:44 PM
folks, folks, folks.....let's not be too mean over the ship please. I'm not a huge fan of it either, but there's no need to be petty and mean.

Let's also remember that this is an OPEN thread, with people of all preferences welcome to post their opinions. Respect them as you'd like yours respected.

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:44 PM
no, rodney didn't say 'i love you' in return

Oh, I know he didn't. I was just wondering if he remembered that he told he loved her in The Shrine because the way she said it to him was what he said to her.

It's just clear if he remembers that's all.

Rac80
November 21st, 2008, 06:44 PM
I have one word only
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
*takes breath* and I only heard about the ep. from my daughter -- I heard her scream
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
then she told me why! :S
Good call Jason G, it seems you have the right idea! ;)

smushybird
November 21st, 2008, 06:44 PM
This ep would have been more fun if Rodney and John had been the ones to go.
Keller as Mary Sue damsel in distress...eh.

Vala_M
November 21st, 2008, 06:46 PM
What a very scientific episode!

Funny how they air an anti global warming episode in the scifi "going green" thing week! Was that planned?

They mentioned LHC... Funny. I was just thinking that the worrysome device in the beginning mention was like LHC.

The SGC doesn't have a ZPM? I thought they had one and the Odyssey had the other one. Or is that ZPM in Antarctica? I hope that they didn't end up wasting another ZPM.

Funny how McKay was coming up with reasons for Keller to come when was going to do it anyway.

Was that the Dali lama in the picture with Tinney that made McKay jealous?

It was way cool to see real world scientists in an episode! Bill Nye and Neil DeGrasse Tyson! The "from TV" line was great! I'm glad they were themselves and not fictional notable scientific figures.

I've never felt so scientifically excited about an episode before!

It should be common sense that any non-disclosure agreement that long is trouble in some ways.

So McKay is the Daniel of Atlantis, in terms of people thinking he's a failiure since he disappeared out of the mainstream studies.

I was thinking right away that the matter bridge thing was what McKay worked on in season 2 for Zero Point energy. So everyone really is stealing McKay's ideas!

How did they get the shield technology for the building? I'm sure they stole that as well since Earth can't build anything that advanced without alien technology but it wasn't even brought up in the episode.

So is something like that really possible? I think it would be a bad idea personally and I'm not just saying that because of this episode. I think things like this should proceed very slowly to account for problems.

I can understand McKay's jealousy in this episode but at times it was a little too much.

I'm glad McKay isn't humble and that it was just for a few times in this episode.

Before this episode aired, I was figuring that something like the freeze lighting would happen and drain heat from people when the machine drained as much heat as it could from the building.

Could tornadoes like that really form so quickly? That was odd.

So McKay's idea ended up saving the day. I was sure that when he walked out and told Tinney how to do it that he'd take the credit for it but saving Keller is more important.

McKay rescuing Keller was nice. So they finally kissed in the real timeline, nice!

I'm glad that he finally got the girl. People like McKay don't get anyone way too often. The end was great! I never thought something like that would be shown in Stargate or Atlantis and especially for someone like McKay.

Very cool and scientific!

Vala,

Sue_Jackson
November 21st, 2008, 06:50 PM
Words fail me.

as for the 'mile high club'? implied but not verified. fans who want to believe it happened will, and others won't... however, if jennifer turns up pregnant in the movie... *cough*

Eeeeeewwwwww!! :eek: Don't even GO there! :S *hits self in head to get horrible image out of head* :ronananime25:

SpelCzech
November 21st, 2008, 06:52 PM
Truly a disgusting, trashy ep. Better luck next time.
And Rodney's had more canon sex than anyone in this show so don't Poor Rodney me about how "guys like him" never get the girl. Sheesh.
Middle aged men shouldn't be "getting" young girls anyway.

I agree, this was an episode most foul.
FAIL

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:56 PM
Truly a disgusting, trashy ep. Better luck next time.
And Rodney's had more canon sex than anyone in this show so don't Poor Rodney me about how "guys like him" never get the girl. Sheesh.
Middle aged men shouldn't be "getting" young girls anyway.

Oh please. A 12 year age difference between intelellectual equals is nothing.

TragicComedy
November 21st, 2008, 06:57 PM
*shrugs* I liked it. I'm happy for the Rodney/Keller ship too. They balance each other so it works. And Rodney as a member of the mile high club totally cracks me up.

Briangate78
November 21st, 2008, 06:57 PM
I think we need to start passing these around....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e265/blazin_29/barf-bag.jpg

Anyway, I liked the ep.

SerenaSerenity
November 21st, 2008, 06:57 PM
Speaking of McKeller...no romantic chemistry and McKay's age and receding hairline are really showing. Totally cringeworthy.

And finally, that "I loved you for a very long time" crap is getting old. Just a few episodes ago Keller was trying to make a "romantic" choice. Just last season McKay was proposing to Katie Brown. Do the writers think we're idiots?

Scratch that.

This is my own personal opinion. Nothing against your own.

Well, I have to disagree. My bf and the father of my son, is 5.75 years younger then I am. He turned 20 in September and I turn 26 in January. We have a good relationship and I've always been one who believed that age is nothing but a number until it becomes cradle robbing. As in under the age of 18 which would be totally wrong and I would be very outraged.

For the next part, maybe she was also trying to move on? Hence why she had started seemingly to go after Ronon. I mean, I could be wrong, this is all assuming and just my own personal opinion. But maybe she was looking to him as almost a rebound kinda guy. I mean, Rodney was totally oblivious to how she felt. And he did propose to someone else. Who, I believe he said in an interview somewhere, that it was assumed they broke up? Not sure how that worked exactly. Maybe I missed that part in the show somewhere. Anyhow, when she was trapped on the ship with Ronon, maybe she realised that other then him being hot she had no real feelings for Ronon and let it go.

That is just how I see it though.


I'm all for character growth, no doubt about it. But its also the reason I don't like seeing relationships, as it sort of tames both characters involved in a relationship. And it always makes any future growth sort of hinge on that relationship in most situations.

When I first started watching season 9 of SG-1, I always thought that maybe O'Neill and Carter finally hooked up. It was never spoken of, but it was always interesting to wonder. That wasn't the case as it turned out, but you could almost imply it at one point. But to actually show that relationship (if it did in fact happen, which it didn't) would of kind of ruined some of the mystery. Keeping some aspects of the characters lives shrouded always leaves a lot to the imagination of the fans. It's part of the reason why I like Stargate - they always leave a lot of things open for fans to guess about.

Maybe, but I've always been a hopeless romantic. I like to see it at least a little bit of it. It just feels kinda empty for me when it's all implied. Just my own feelings about it though. With the whole Jack/Sam thing, I was actually disappointed that they never got together.


no, rodney didn't say 'i love you' in return

No, but it was implied. Well, atleast it seemed he was going to say it before she kissed him again.


i agree, a plot hole.

in the 'good old sg1 days' they would have checked the phone records, found out whose phone it is and wonder why they got that number.

whose phone was it?

if it was rod's then they'd know where he was and move a satellite to survey the area, if it was someone else's then it'd be 'yeah, he's at that place where mckay is at....' and investigate

It was Tunney's(My appologies. I was thinking of something else and put in the wrong name. *falls over* But I corrected it so it's all good) phone if memory serves me correctly. He was going to call them and Jennifer said she'd do it while Rodney and him worked. Then went off with the said phone. *nod nod*

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 06:58 PM
I think we need to start passing these around....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e265/blazin_29/barf-bag.jpg

Anyway, I liked the ep.

Don't encourage them, Brian. :p

The6thRace
November 21st, 2008, 06:58 PM
Words fail me.
and I won't even get into the horribly inaccurate medicine malpracticed in this episode. Jennifer is hypothermic, then she's DEAD, and he brings her back and she's not griping about a compressed chest, or so frozen she can't really talk... and, argh, gah!!!!!!!!!


Excellent observation. I noticed this as well. Like 10 seconds after she is revived, shes smiling and kissing McKay. Realistically, she should of been taken by chopper to the nearest ER and prepared for a long recovery, not jumping aboard the next flight to engage in sexual relations.

I guess you can always say that she took used some ancient Ancient secret to get back to 100% so quickly.

Briangate78
November 21st, 2008, 06:59 PM
Don't encourage them, Brian. :p

The episode was decent enough for me. I thought Mckeller was cute. It is not an ep in my top 10 but it's all good. I don't think it was an utter disaster, it was entertaining and funny. Like the comment about the guy who doesn't shower! :lol:

FoolishPleasure
November 21st, 2008, 07:02 PM
Wasn't going to watch but it was a boring night so. . .anyway.

The good:

Scientists. Science. Too bad there wasn't enough of this.

The bad:

Keller - one episode she is a crybaby. Then she is Kung-fu-mama, then she is loving, then she is back to "HELP ME!"

Keller's dress which made petite Jewel Staite look like a tub.

Keller's boots. Who decides the wardrobe anyway? Made of uck!

Keller's hair. Dark roots are never in style and overdone high-lites are more uck.

OMG, we have to save Jennifer. . .again. . .and again. . .and. . .isn't anyone else tired of it yet? Why can't this woman just DIE so we can get back to our characters we have known and loved all these years??

McKeller - TPTB have gone out of their way to say how YOUNG Keller is. Now Rodney isn't "old" but he isn't "young" either. It had a feel of dating an uncle. The squick factor definitely kicked in.

"Dibs!" High school kids could write better than this garbage.

Its my fault that I watched it, but I wished I had skipped it. With episodes this poor, its probably a good thing the show is ending.

Yvie
November 21st, 2008, 07:03 PM
This was a difficult one to get through since I'm not that into either Rodney or Keller enough for them to carry a whole episode. Keller I've at least had time to miss since she's been off the scene but Rodney is in every single episode, prominently so in most. It's kind of an overload thing at this point, especially since we've seen so little of Teyla (inexplicaly the least featured character of this season even after Woolsey) and only slightly more of Ronon and even John.

I also didn't like the completely non-Atlantis aspect of it. And what happened to the team?!? Can there be a quorum rule set on how many team members need to be featured in an episode?

Meh. It was an okay story I guess but pretty forgettable. I'm not impressed with this season at all.

prion
November 21st, 2008, 07:05 PM
Truly a disgusting, trashy ep. Better luck next time.
And Rodney's had more canon sex than anyone in this show so don't Poor Rodney me about how "guys like him" never get the girl. Sheesh.
Middle aged men shouldn't be "getting" young girls anyway.

I have no problem with the age difference as isn't Keller like 30 or something? You see plenty of marraiges with younger women and older men (and also older women and younger men).



Excellent observation. I noticed this as well. Like 10 seconds after she is revived, shes smiling and kissing McKay. Realistically, she should of been taken by chopper to the nearest ER and prepared for a long recovery, not jumping aboard the next flight to engage in sexual relations.

I guess you can always say that she took used some ancient Ancient secret to get back to 100% so quickly.

Uh huh *cough* ;) And they're in the private jet flying back in wet clothing? with blankets on top? What? Tunny can't afford to give them some spare clothing? Yes, let's keep the hypothermic woman in wet clothes....

Yes, this was sooo written by someone in high school, right??

Oh, and the 11pm repeat has started. okay, first 40 seconds are over so that's it, now it's the high school play all over again. Darn, I'd rather watch Shep and Ronon camp on the beach and try to catch fish for food.

And this was the 'green' episode for SGA, right? With the 'green' thing NBC is doing. Sorta reminds me of NBC, Seaquest, and westerns... never a good idea...

Rac80
November 21st, 2008, 07:06 PM
What a very scientific episode!

<snipped fopr space>

I was thinking right away that the matter bridge thing was what McKay worked on in season 2 for Zero Point energy. So everyone really is stealing McKay's ideas!


Very cool and scientific!

Vala,

The idea was Jeannie's not rodney's. I loved how jeannie did it with finger-paints! ;)

wonderwall
November 21st, 2008, 07:06 PM
I thought this was a good episode. I liked how Keller took charge of the scientists when they were arguing with each other. I thought it showed her leadership skills quite well. Was it the best episode of the season? No. But I thought it was entertaining and funny. Then again, I like McKay and I don't mind the McKeller :)

SerenitySky
November 21st, 2008, 07:12 PM
It seems that enjoyment of this episode is directly propotional to how much the viewer likes McShep.

Given that, I like this ep less than both the Irre's together.
And that is pretty darn bad.:mad:
I need industrial strength soap to wash the picture of McKay and Keller together out of my brain. My eyes! They Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Firespray
November 21st, 2008, 07:13 PM
Firefly reference anyone? "Have you tried these strawberries? They're amazing!"

prion
November 21st, 2008, 07:15 PM
And, a guy is half flash-frozen on the floor in serious condition and Jennifer is.... doing anything BUT being a physician? This is like when Lorne had a busted leg and Jennifer was in the front of the jumper for dialogue purposes instead of being in the back of the jumper TENDING TO THE PATIENT.

and who would be so stupid as to sign a 200 page agreement without at least skimming it? Rodney could have promised over a kidney, his first-born and rights to his life story ;)

Denanthor
November 21st, 2008, 07:18 PM
I didnt mind the episode too much....

On a side note... Did anyone else think that the set in the control room reminded you of the CIC on the pegasus

Daniela
November 21st, 2008, 07:19 PM
Why isn't the Nova guy involved in the Stargate program? Or maybe he is and he's just keeping it secret??

Firespray
November 21st, 2008, 07:19 PM
I didnt mind the episode too much....

On a side note... Did anyone else think that the set in the control room reminded you of the CIC on the pegasus

Wouldn't doubt it if it was a redressed set.

prion
November 21st, 2008, 07:19 PM
It seems that enjoyment of this episode is directly propotional to how much the viewer likes McShep.

Given that, I like this ep less than both the Irre's together.
And that is pretty darn bad.:mad:
I need industrial strength soap to wash the picture of McKay and Keller together out of my brain. My eyes! They Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

I don't mind McKeller. And I'm not into McShep (except as friends) I just wanted DECENTLY written McKeller. If this had been well written...


Firefly reference anyone? "Have you tried these strawberries? They're amazing!"

What does it mean? (For those of us who did not watch Firefly)

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
November 21st, 2008, 07:20 PM
Best line?

"Watch who you're correcting Science Guy, at least my Ph.D isn't honourary!"

That was great as was when Mr. Nye, who is amazing, slapped Dave Foley. Or was oogoling Keller or mocking Rodeny with the real pysicist, who's name escapes me but is always on the History Channel's "The Universe."

Not to mention Dave Foley, who I love from...well anything He's been in. Oh yeah BILL NYE THE FREAKIN SCIENCE GUY.

I don't mind the ship. It's a true actual relationship in Stargate that wasn't ended in death, Goa'uldification, or unrequited love. It's something that could actually last.

Firespray
November 21st, 2008, 07:21 PM
What does it mean? (For those of us who did not watch Firefly)

Jewel Staite's character in Firefly really loved Strawberries.

jelgate
November 21st, 2008, 07:22 PM
I don't mind McKeller. And I'm not into McShep (except as friends) I just wanted DECENTLY written McKeller. If this had been well written...What does it mean? (For those of us who did not watch Firefly)I have yet to see a well written ship on Stargate. A good ship like characters take many seasons to develop. They don't just magically develop.

ladyjanus
November 21st, 2008, 07:23 PM
Keller's dress which made petite Jewel Staite look like a tub. Keller's boots. Who decides the wardrobe anyway?

Yeah, not the most flattering of dresses, but what about McKay's outfit? Is that velour? With a pinstrip? And satin lapels? Oy... I just flashed back to prom....

But I did like the ties that the two real scientist were wearing...

Briangate78
November 21st, 2008, 07:23 PM
I have yet to see a well written ship on Stargate. A good ship like characters take many seasons to develop. They don't just magically develop.

or it could be like BSG where everyone sleeps with eachother. :S

stargatelvr
November 21st, 2008, 07:24 PM
Firefly reference anyone? "Have you tried these strawberries? They're amazing!"

I just started a thread over in the firefly section about that!

jelgate
November 21st, 2008, 07:25 PM
or it could be like BSG where everyone sleeps with eachother. :SI believe their are plans to do that in SGU:P

Briangate78
November 21st, 2008, 07:26 PM
I believe their are plans to do that in SGU:P

oh boy. :S

SnarkofMcShep
November 21st, 2008, 07:28 PM
Worst episode ever. Worst in all of Stargate. The forced, no chemistry "romance" of McKeller is still unbelievable. She pops right up from CPR, for hypothermia, and declares her love - on the first date???? The kiss looked like neither actor wanted to be there. I see no chemistry between Staite and Hewlett. This is ruining the show for me. I want the team. The script was predictable and heavy handed. Plus, the entire time Keller is nagging at Rodney, trying to change him. She can't accept him for who he is. Let him stay with Sheppard and the team who accept him totally as is. Gah, this was awful. Wish I could get that hour back. Why do they keep shoving this at us to the detriment of the team. I want to see Sheppard, Teyla and Ronon, too. I'd like to know why Sheppard tortures himself. Instead, we get declarations of love that make no sense, no background to make a logical progession. Writers living out their fantasties on screen. Yuck!

Briangate78
November 21st, 2008, 07:29 PM
Worst episode ever. Worst in all of Stargate. The forced, no chemistry "romance" of McKeller is still unbelievable. She pops right up from CPR, for hypothermia, and declares her love - on the first date???? The kiss looked like neither actor wanted to be there. I see no chemistry between Staite and Hewlett. This is ruining the show for me. I want the team. The script was predictable and heavy handed. Plus, the entire time Keller is nagging at Rodney, trying to change him. She can't accept him for who he is. Let him stay with Sheppard and the team who accept him totally as is. Gah, this was awful. Wish I could get that hour back. Why do they keep shoving this at us to the detriment of the team. I want to see Sheppard, Teyla and Ronon, too. I'd like to know why Sheppard tortures himself. Instead, we get declarations of love that make no sense, no background to make a logical progession. Writers living out their fantasties on screen. Yuck!

So, I guess you did not like this episode?

Yvie
November 21st, 2008, 07:30 PM
Firefly reference anyone? "Have you tried these strawberries? They're amazing!"

That's funny! It went right over my head. Takes me back to Shindig.

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
November 21st, 2008, 07:30 PM
Yeah, but what about Bill Nye...and Dave Foley. That's probably the main reason I watched the episode. BILL FREAKIN NYE. He was rude, and mocking, and oogoling. It was awesome.

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 07:32 PM
So, I've (mostly) gotten over my squee of McKeller and now I have other aspects of the show running through my head.

The point of that Tunney Matter Bridge thing was, essentially, meant to act as a heat sink, drawing the heat caused by global warming out of our universe and place it in another one....

So what about the causes of global warming? The matter bridge idea doesn't exactly solve that problem. If the causes aren't regulated, then the all the matter bridge is a band aid solution. Right?

chris777
November 21st, 2008, 07:34 PM
So what are they doing taking fan mailed in scripts for the final 10 or so episodes?

I just can't imagine why this show is getting canceled.

I mean it is just floating along like a leaf in the wind in whatever direction it blows in, particularly the green propaganda.

Talk about proof of executive ADD

Eyeofra
November 21st, 2008, 07:36 PM
That what kills shows. company political crap.

Night Marshal
November 21st, 2008, 07:37 PM
You know this has to be my favorite Episode of Atlantis is a long time. Are there nit picks yes but I don't care that was good TV. I thought this was going to be one of the worst episode of the season, now it was Silly and smart and Kelly being likable rather than just an exposition hole some what boring doctor. This was also the first time where you could really see why Mckay and Kelly could work they balance each other he listens to her. At no point did it feel forced to it was just two people that like each other going to do something together.

This is the first time all year that I'm sad to see Atlantis going away. But glad we have this to go out on.
NM

Ruffles
November 21st, 2008, 07:38 PM
This ep in one word - Boring. I like Rodney. I like Jennifer. Heck, I even like McKay/Keller. But I didn't find this ep interesting in the least. Too much exposition, not any tension. I didn't see a stargate, Atlantis, or the team. I didn't hate the ep. I just didn't find it, well, interesting.

Good stuff (yes, there was some):

* Sheppard and Ronon surfing - I so wish I'd actually seen this. And they only get 2 weeks vacation every 18 months? Ouch!

* Ronon's "Who cares?" - guess he cared more than I thought.

* Keller's influence on Rodney - he listens to her. She doesn't let him steamroll over her. He's not afraid to be himself around her, but he tries hard to smooth the rough edges.

* Rodney's reaction to the matter bridge - underneath the bluster of having his work stolen is a man who is genuinely trying to protect people.

* McKay trying to be humble - so not his strong suit. I love that he admitted that the recognition of his peers was important. Not that anyone doubted it, but I don't know that the Rodney McKay we met in S1 would have admitted it. I also like that he walks away from the science to save a person. Is that a shift in priorities that I see?


Not so good

* team? What team? This is an ensemble show? Who knew?

* science people - while it was fun to see Bill Nye at first, it went on WAY too long. I don't watch SGA for them. And I'm crushed Keller didn't recognize that Tyson guy from her "who would you rather" game with Carter in Trio...

* Earth-based ep - if you have to do one on environmental issues (snooze), show us a world in Pegasus that's done it all wrong. Have our folks there helping with the flooding or famine or global warming or whatever. The floodplain in The Shrine was brilliant, effective, and interesting. And look - a team!

* bad medicine - others have already said it, but seriously CPR and hypothermia with no ill effects minutes later? I'm an accountant and I know better.

Here's hoping Infection will be better (that just sounds wrong, doesn't it).



Oh, I know he didn't. I was just wondering if he remembered that he told he loved her in The Shrine because the way she said it to him was what he said to her.

It's just clear if he remembers that's all.

I didn't get the impression from his expression that he did remember.


What a very scientific episode!

Funny how they air an anti global warming episode in the scifi "going green" thing week! Was that planned?

<snippage>

Vala,

Yes, it was planned. JM said in his blog last week that all of the week 16 eps for shows on NBC-owned channels had to highlight environmental issues.

prion
November 21st, 2008, 07:41 PM
Yes, it was planned. JM said in his blog last week that all of the week 16 eps for shows on NBC-owned channels had to highlight environmental issues.

Yeah, this is like NBC with seaquest and I'm probably repeating myself but it had to be 'western night' that night so they made a western seaquest. now they're forcing global warming into shows without truly addressing the issue.

Ruffles
November 21st, 2008, 07:47 PM
So what are they doing taking fan mailed in scripts for the final 10 or so episodes?

Trust me, there are many fans out there who could write eps much better than some we've seen.

Pandora's_Box
November 21st, 2008, 07:47 PM
I have to say it; I object to this notion that Jennifer was just another damel-in-distress this episode. She may have needed saving in the end, but for the entire episode prior that that she was anything but.

Jennifer was the one to demand that Rodney and Tunney work together with the other scientists to solve the problem.

Jennifer knocked some sense into them when they were acting juvenile.

She talked to Terrance and convinced him to try and call for help. She volunteered to make the call with the cellphone even though, considering the "freeze lightening" it could be dangerous.

That's hardly damsel in distress material.

jelgate
November 21st, 2008, 07:49 PM
Yeah, this is like NBC with seaquest and I'm probably repeating myself but it had to be 'western night' that night so they made a western seaquest. now they're forcing global warming into shows without truly addressing the issue.I hate it when televison shows press politics:S

Briangate78
November 21st, 2008, 07:54 PM
Trust me, there are many fans out there who could write eps much better than some we've seen.

Yet, they think they can make things different with their new baby SGU? Well I love these characters........well most of them, and I think instead of starting with a new show, put time and effort into another season of SGA.......oh wait it's all about the money and business sense and about attracting young viewers and having a cheap production costs. Silly me almost forgot. ;)

I only bring up SGU because the producers have said that there is more character interaction which could mean more shipping. If the same writers are writing SGU, how will things be different. Why can't they just stick to ep formulas like "Daedalus Variations", "The Prodigal", "Remnants", "Ghost in the Machine", "Outsiders", "The Queen", "First Contact", and "The Lost Tribe".

As much of a Stargate fan I am, I agree that shipping does not really work with these producers and writers, and that is fine, I am not a big ship fan, I just like the idea of two people being close but not actually going through with shipping. I am also a big fan of friendship bonds. I think Mckeller is cute and that is really all. I;m sorta on the fence with this ship. I guess because it was not bad as I was predicting.

Michelle05
November 21st, 2008, 08:18 PM
Okay, finally saw it for myself. The McKeller stuff I just don't like and never will. Otherwise:

Good:

Bill Nye was awesome! A natural actor. Neil Tyson was great too, just not in it as much.

Dave Foley was very good.

David Hewlett is such a great actor, and damn he looked so hot this week, both his tux and the way his hair was done, and the way MG lit him. Very yummy.

I liked the global warming angle, and didn't find it too heavy-handed. Kramer at least believed in what he was doing.

Rodney's frustration was delicious, and his true concern arguing against turning the device on as well. Poor guy. I loved how he showed it was his work Tunney had used.

Keller taking charge of the scientists was good for her, but I don't believe scientists in that position would be such tools, imo.

Bad:

Gero makes Rodney play out his own "geek gets the girl" fantasy, in a very junior-high fashion. When did they fall in love -- this is their first date!

Keller's high-pitched voice just grates on me no end.

The atmospheric science was ridiculous. I don't believe there was enough cold air in the building to cause tornadoes! There just wasn't the volume there. Once the containment field closed down, the place would warm right up as the heat swarmed in from outside. The science was very shaky imo. Not that I'm an expert.

The kissing. The actors put their all into it; I just didn't buy it, and in fact had to cover my eyes for a second.

Keller wearing boots with that dress. Oh my.

SamJackShipper93
November 21st, 2008, 08:20 PM
BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY!!!

*breaks into dance* Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill Nye the Science Guy!


Best line?

"Watch who you're correcting Science Guy, at least my Ph.D isn't honourary!"

Haha, my favorite too! :D I also loved when Nye slaps Tunney. "Man up!" :P



* science people - while it was fun to see Bill Nye at first, it went on WAY too long. I don't watch SGA for them. And I'm crushed Keller didn't recognize that Tyson guy from her "who would you rather" game with Carter in Trio...


Me too! I was so hoping for some kind of draw back to their little game! :(


Personally, I enjoyed this ep! Hooray for McKeller, and as much as I agree that this late in the season/series, they should be focusing on teamy eps, I'm glad they gave us confirmation instead of leaving us hanging like I almost expected them to do.

:mckay: I'm Doctor Rodney McKay! "Difficult" takes a few seconds, "Impossible" a few minutes!"

Quinn Mallory
November 21st, 2008, 08:22 PM
I actually quite enjoyed this episode. Maybe it's the presence of Bill Nye as well as Neil deGrasse Tyson willing to poke fun of himself (it's particularly nice to have him with that line between McKay, Keller, and Carter in Trio last season).

I thought the very end was setting up to a joke and the preview that reminds us that there are only 4 new SGA episodes in history end the hour in a bit of a somber note.

Night Marshal
November 21st, 2008, 08:42 PM
My problem with most ships in TV they are never paid off even Sam and Jack is just kinda out there. For Atlantis Shepard and Teyla were were very into each other from the start and it was teased and teased up to the Opener for Season 5 with them eating dinner in John dream suggesting some sort of relationship. And then nothing The father of Teyla kid lives relationship dead and 4 years of teasing it are just wasted moments. This Relationship with McKay and Kelly has felt very forced at times but i think a lot of that is that Keller still feels very forced into Atlantis rather than becoming a part of it. But the writer took there time and paid off the relationship. Will it last most likely not because TPTB like single people so that people can fall in love with there characters, and in general they are easier to write.

I mean in the 15 years of Stargate the only title characters that have been married in the show was Dannel, Teal'c that that only lasted for 3 seasons for Jackson and Season 6 for Teal'c. But they might as well been single we never really seen there partners.

Here is breakdown of relationship status's some of these aren't 100% of all shows but over for most of the series.
SG-1:
Hammond-wife dead
O'Neill-divorced
Carter-Single
Jackson-wife dead after season 3
Teal'c-wife dead after season 6
Jonas-single
Mitchell -single
Vala-single more or less
Landry-divorced
Atlantis:
Weir-single, but had a boyfriend for a while through season 2
Sheppard-divorced
McKay-single/dated Brown and now Keller
Becket-single/dated Cadman/single
Teyla-single til season 4 when she got pregnant
Ford-single
Ronon-wife dead
Woolsey-single
Keller-single/dating Mckay

The problem with couples is you can't have the sexy alien of the week and have a bunch of married guys and gals so the writers just make them all single. If you are in a another galaxy with people of the other sex things are going to happen that is how people work. NASA has been studing how you send people to Mars and try to keep a professional relationship in a tin can for at least 2 years if not longer with a mixed sex crew.

I think it is important to show it but so often its used as cheap Drama. IE Teyla Shappard, the writers seem to have at least learned that if they are going have people come to together don't make it happen all at once and to pay it off. I think Martin Gero did a good job making these two work. Can every writer do that or even keep the same tone from episode to episode most likely not. But it nice to see it work out just once before the show was over for me.

bluealien
November 21st, 2008, 08:48 PM
I really hoped I might find something I would like in this episode but it was actually worse than I anticipated.

It was the most cringeworthiest episode of the entire series. Sad to think that Gero's obsession with McKay, whom I pretty much can't stand now because of his total and utter overuse this season, and Keller who is the worst SGA character ever, has led to such drivel. The combination of both of these characters just produced an utter crap fest. The last few eps of the season and this is what we get.


0/10

Krichton
November 21st, 2008, 08:52 PM
Keller loves Rodney?? This show deserves to be cancelled.

Ncc-72452
November 21st, 2008, 08:53 PM
I was enjoying this episode (sans Global Warming aspect) until the end. Then I felt it took on a B Sci-Fi movie feel. Seriously, tornadoes just outside the building that do no damage to the building itself and just shut off when the bridge is shut down. Wow, talk about rapid equalization of pressure... The science on this one really tanked. "Freeze" lightning? Seriously, these guys have no idea how a real heat sink works. I felt like I was watching the "Day After Tomorrow" again. *shudders at bad science gone worse* Especially with the global warming push... Now remember kids, we can all fix the planet if we just do our part. Gosh, now we know. And knowing is half the battle. Stargate Atlantis!

Umm... *checks top of post* Yeah, I actually did like the way the episode started. I thought some of the McKay and Keller moments were well done. I liked the auditorium sequence, and I liked how the bridge came into the story, but I find McKay taking all the credit to be just as bad as the other guy taking all the credit. As I recall, the work was made possible by McKay's sister. So, yeah, until the end, I was really enjoying the episode. Then the science tanked, the plot became B sci-fi, and it kind of talked down to the audience (or at least to me). I also could have done without the mile-high club at the end.

gange57
November 21st, 2008, 08:54 PM
Pure. Utter. Tripe.

It may have taken four years, but Affinity was just surpassed as the most cliche ridden episode in Stargate. Between Keller's little "We all must work together" speech and McKay breaking down the door with an ax to save the unconscious damsel in distress, I wanted to hurl. Just ridiculous.

So General Landry's office can get a indecipherable call and Walter will just look at the phone like someone dialed the wrong number. No concern. No urgency. Nothing.

SMH.

I did like the *cough*subtle*cough* "We Must Save the Planet" theme. I was wondering why the logo was green. :rolleyes: And the dialogue at the end about how one person can't save the planet and everyone has to do their part? Very After-School Special of you, Gero. The only thing missing was David and Jewel breaking character to look into the camera and go on some diatribe about global warming.

The only redeeming part of this episode was the Tyson and Nye goofing on McKay. Otherwise, it was just a waste of electricity. Sorry, Mother Earth, for destroying you with such rubbish. :rolleyes:

What a garbage episode. And to think Gero is making his way over to Universe, simply amazing.

Callimaco
November 21st, 2008, 09:26 PM
This is the kind of episode that makes you think the show wasn't canceled soon enough.

That was awful. I'm embarrassed for a once proud franchise.

Mav
November 21st, 2008, 10:17 PM
Middle aged men shouldn't be "getting" young girls anyway.

While I respect people's opinions when it comes to the show and related material, that's kinda on the border of too opinionated? I mean I don't know the age of either character but they aren't that far apart.

Besides, one of the focus points of the show is furthering humanity. If the Tauri (or real life humans) are going to do that, throwing out societal "taboos" such as someone is too old or young (past 18 at least) is a big step next to throwing out poverty, racism, etc

kymeric
November 21st, 2008, 10:32 PM
Awww nerd-love!

I heart nerd love.

Mercury973
November 21st, 2008, 10:33 PM
Wow! As a rabid McKay fan, never before have I ever wanted to poke my eyes out during an episode featuring Rodney. Terrible. 0 out of 10.

david2708
November 21st, 2008, 10:34 PM
This is the kind of episode that makes you think the show wasn't canceled soon enough.

That was awful. I'm embarrassed for a once proud franchise.

With Atlantis' cancellation, some fans shreiked in horror, others thought its time had come anyway, and now alot of us wish someone would just get a shotgun and put the show out of its misery.

Browncoat1984
November 21st, 2008, 10:44 PM
I hate it when sci-fi does plots like this that are supposed to drive some sort of point. This reminds me a bit of that Enterprise episode where T'Pol had some aids-like virus because the writers wanted to say something about aids to the viewers.

The whole plot was pretty stupid and pointless and I was actually more interested in the character moments than in the actual plot. All it really was was a rehash of an earlier Atlantis episode, there wasn't anything new about this plot at all that we already knew about it. As soon as they said "space-time bridge" I knew what was going to happen and how it was going to play out.

Then there's the phone call to Walter...okay, wouldn't Walter try and trace that phone-call? Even if SGC only managed to show up at the very end of the episode (last-minute save), that would have made more sense. I imagine the SGC would have a phone number such that it wouldn't be easy to prank call or misdial...

I will say that I liked Keller in this episode. I like how she seems to be taking on a more confidant angle this season than last season, and I'm surprised nobody's really mentioned that about her character this episode. Everyone's focused on "McKeller" and the whole ship, but I really saw her moments in this episode as more "Keller" than "McKeller." The McKeller stuff didn't really bother me at all really until the awkward ending. Between this episode and Thursday's Smallville episode, "Bride" I'll be happy if I don't have to watch any ship-based episodes on TV for a while (unless its Smallville dealing with Lois and Clark).

Bill Nye's appearance was great, and I loved the "cameo" of Stephen Hawking. Reminded me a bit of the *real* Stephen Hawking making an appearance on Star Trek The Next Generation.

Overall I would rate this episode a 6/10. I will give the writers credit for actually following through on a ship...something that's never been done before on Stargate between lead characters.

kadosho
November 21st, 2008, 10:52 PM
From the get-go its easy to see that it won't be a regular episode. But hey its always fun to see something different for a change. A few key points I really enjoyed..
- McKay & Keller working out their "date"
Sure its more poking at fans, but its a neat story to watch
- Seeing various old friends
Now this was quite a treat, but wow Foley is really letting himself go. I remember his early days as a comedian. Its fun to see him guest starring (David & Mike go back quite aways)
Bill Nye's charm is definitely shown, plus he's really creative with character.
-*and of course Stephen Hawking XD
- Establishing McKay & Keller's relationship.. I like where they are taking the two characters, there is just something so energetic when both of them are on screen together. Its as if they play off each other's roles, almost close enough to a waltz (with music playing from somewhere).

Overall, I really enjoyed this one ^_^

Kliggins
November 21st, 2008, 11:06 PM
My favorite part of the episode or after the episode actually: Only 3 more episodes left until the finale. :rolleyes:

EvenstarSRV
November 21st, 2008, 11:08 PM
Can't say I enjoyed the episode as a whole, but it had some good moments.

Loved seeing Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson, especially since I grew up watching Bill Nye the Science Guy and got to have dinner with him a couple of years ago. Very funny guy, he laughed when we gave him a bow tie as a gift, since he still gets lots of them from fans. :)

Thought the global warming stuff was a bit heavy handed, but I still liked the message of scientists having to work together since so many other people are counting on them to figure this stuff out.

The 'CPR' McKay did on Keller was quite laughable, but then I've noticed that Atlantis doesn't seem to be very good showing emergency medicine, or recovery from being in cardiac/respiratory arrest. During the scene I kept thinking, give rescue breaths, compressions alone won't do it! :rolleyes:

mr_kennedy
November 21st, 2008, 11:12 PM
i didnt mind this episode

6 out of 10 :)

iolanda
November 22nd, 2008, 12:45 AM
I enjoyed this episode more than I was afraid I would.

Its just: I didn't need it. After "Quarantine" my only wish was that Rodney should get a proper relationship and not such a messed up one, but hints would have been merely enough and some more hints that they actually do things together would have made this episode feel less "on the wrong place".

Despite that it was a nice one-shot with loooots of real crazy science stuff. The whiteboards looked like someone with a physics textbook just wrote some of the nicer looking formulas. I spotted some basic Maxwell equations but I'll rewatch it and try to find out some more :D

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 01:10 AM
Wow. The critics are harsh this week. Seems like the McKay/Keller relationship really doesn't appeal to most people.

I watch SciFi Fridays with a group of friends. I'm the Atlantis fan of the group, for most everyone else it's just ok or "God, what was that about?" I thought I was going to have to listen to all the groaning from the gang.

To my surprise, everyone had fun with the episode. The guest stars were a surprise to them. Bill Nye was a big hit and Dave Foley kept them interested, too. Most of the group are big Firefly fans, so there weren't any complaints about Keller. No one brought up the age difference.

I think most people forget in "Quarantine", when Ronon and Jennifer were trapped in the infirmary, how she said she never fit in with her peer group. Too young, too bright. Kinda like "I built an atomic bomb for my grade six Science Fair exhibit" McKay. Keller is going to want brains in her guy and you can't get any brainier than McKay. She gets the not fitting in thing. She's sees the man behind the bluster.

I think McKay and Keller fit. McKay's doom and gloom attitude doesn't bring Keller down, like it did with Katie Brown. Keller's optimistic view will counterbalance McKay. Keller can be commanding when she has to. We know Rodney doesn't have any problems with reporting to a woman :)

I think Ronon shooting up the ship in "The Lost Tribe" made Jennifer realise that Ronon is not the guy for her.

Someone in my group mentioned that the episode had shades of Titanic in it. And I don't mean the relationship! The flooded room, the breaking of the door. Is this supposed to mean that McKay and Keller were destined to be?

We did all think the facility looked fake.

I wouldn't think there would be extra clothes for the 2 of them to borrow at the research facility.

Linzi
November 22nd, 2008, 01:14 AM
I want the last hour back of my life.

This was probably the most boring episode I've ever seen. I hate the way TPTB keep splitting up the team. I HATE McPuker with a vengeance. I really needed the puke bag Brain was handing around earlier. There's no chemistry I can see between Rodney and Keller and I found Keller just incredibly irritating in this episode. On the wardrobe front... who on Earth wears boots with a cocktail dress? :eek:

The medical stuff was dreadful - some of the worst I've seen on SGA. So, Keller is hypothermic and isn't breathing and Rodney revives her and she's ok? Just like that. Seriously? Gero obviously doesn't realise that if you're not breathing because of hypothermia, that honestly, you stand no chance really. Why, you ask? Because CPR isn't going to help much unless your core body temperature is raised SLOWLY. Keller just woke up? Coughed and she's ok? When she was so cold she'd stopped breathing? Has he seen hypothermia being treated on medical documentaries? Obviously not... :rolleyes: This was like the worst fan fiction I've ever read. If I was critiquiing fan fic, I'd tell the author to go google hypothermia and its treatment! Thus this was the laziest and most inaccurate writing I've seen for years on Stargate.

The story was boring. I don't CARE about Tunney's device and what has it to do with Atlantis? I'm SICK to death of McKay being featured heavily in almost every episode. I'm even more sick to death of Keller being shoved in my face; she's NOT part of the team for me and I totally resent her taking up screen time when it could instead go to the REAL team.

The best bit of the episode? When the trailer for Infection came on. Oh, and I quite enjoyed Sheppard and Ronon talking about going camping. The science guys were ok, I guess. And the tornadoes were quite cool if not a little clichéd.

I gave this 1/10. To think one of the last episodes was wasted on this tripe.... :mad:

angela23
November 22nd, 2008, 01:27 AM
Ithought this episode was awful too. This Keller McKay Romance has gone on through the whole Season and it is getting too much to watch anymore. There is absolutely no chemistry between them and it is getting boring. I had to switch channels last night after watching 20 min. of this. The Dress made her look fat and the boots did not go with it. Rodney looked more chubby than usual in the suit. It was like watching a Daytime Soap.

SeNedra
November 22nd, 2008, 01:32 AM
I didn't like the ep. It was even much worse than I thought. Yeah, it had some good moments. I was laughing at the plane over the picture, I liked the arguing scientits. I hated the last minutes. What I hate more, as a devoted S/J shipper, why did McKeller have to get confirmation? I don't understand and never will! They screwed it.


Pointless waste of one of the final episodes of the series. Nothing at all to do with Atlantis. Boring. Bad special effects. Just another vanity project for Gero and an excuse to let McKay get laid.

Speaking of McKeller...no romantic chemistry and McKay's age and receding hairline are really showing. Totally cringeworthy.

And finally, that "I loved you for a very long time" crap is getting old. Just a few episodes ago Keller was trying to make a "romantic" choice. Just last season McKay was proposing to Katie Brown. Do the writers think we're idiots?

Scratch that.
Agree on that. They just created that ship from nothing. I agree especially on
that "for some time" thing. They are just messing with the timeline or what?

Of course most of my dislike is from being Ronon/Keller shipper, but it is not just this. Rodney was behaving stupid way the whole episode, he was whining and not able to shut up. If she really has this mother need and wants to take care of him, well, she deserves him ;) Enough from me now. I just had to get it out of me!

iolanda
November 22nd, 2008, 01:55 AM
The medical stuff was dreadful - some of the worst I've seen on SGA. So, Keller is hypothermic and isn't breathing and Rodney revives her and she's ok? Just like that. Seriously? Gero obviously doesn't realise that if you're not breathing because of hypothermia, that honestly, you stand no chance really. Why, you ask? Because CPR isn't going to help much unless your core body temperature is raised SLOWLY. Keller just woke up? Coughed and she's ok? When she was so cold she'd stopped breathing? Has he seen hypothermia being treated on medical documentaries? Obviously not... :rolleyes: This was like the worst fan fiction I've ever read. If I was critiquiing fan fic, I'd tell the author to go google hypothermia and its treatment! Thus this was the laziest and most inaccurate writing I've seen for years on Stargate.


In my opinion she really did not need the CPR and was just unconscious so his efforts more woke her up instead of reviving her. Else she wouldn't have had a chance, regarding his efforts.

Linzi
November 22nd, 2008, 01:58 AM
In my opinion she really did not need the CPR and was just unconscious so his efforts more woke her up instead of reviving her. Else she wouldn't have had a chance, regarding his efforts.
He said she wasn't breathing, but I didn't even notice if Rodney checked for a pulse, to be honest. But it was ridiculous anyway. Nobody can recover from severe hypothermia that quickly without being warmed up. Yet again lazy and careless writing which seems to have plagued this season, IMO. :(

Callie
November 22nd, 2008, 02:00 AM
I've just starting writing the transcript and so haven't had time to read the rest of the comments here, so forgive me if this is already mentioned:

The problem with being an English viewer is that I don't always understand American references. In the first scene on Earth, Kramer tells Tunney that something has a lot riding on the experiment. It sounds like "cause" but might be a set of initials like CORS or CAUS or something. I've tried googling various spellings but haven't come up with anything definitive. Any advice on what it might be, please? Thanks.

metabog
November 22nd, 2008, 02:39 AM
I really lolled at Rodney talking to Bill Nye the Science Guy and Neil deGrasse Tyson. Nice cameos.

I liked the episode and I couldn't help going "Hole crap holy freaking crap" out loud all the time.

And the ending. :D I usually hate this "ship" stuff but Rodney being my favorite character made this cool.

AlphaBlu
November 22nd, 2008, 03:15 AM
I enjoyed it.

I don't mind Keller and McKay getting together, and it was signposted at the end of last season anyway. The episode itself was fun, coherent, the guest stars were fun, especially The Science Guy. Yeah the environmental stuff was a bit heavy handed, but as Joe M explained, for some reason every show had to do a 'green' episode, so this was their 'green' episode.

It was certainly 1000X better than the waste of space episode last week.

BYE

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 03:23 AM
hmmm this ep was.......BEYOND AWFUL......That's 43 minutes of my life i'll never get back :mckay: The more eps I see this season the less upset I become with the cancellation....I used to love stargate, loved SG-1 and will always love that but SGA now? Heck I can't even get excited anymore when a new ep comes around :( I barely even recognise it anymore...

And yet again NO FREAKIN TEYLA.....I'm sorry but I must have missed the memo telling us she was reduced to a recurring character this season :mckay:

And what the hell is with wearing boots with a dress :confused: Very weird....I HATE MCPUKER WITH A VENGEANCE :mad: I mean the ki....ki.....Holy hanna I can't even say it :S It was like an uncle ki....well know, his neice...It was.....OMFG I think i'm gonna puke :S

So yeah, this ep gets a -10 out of 10...That's how bad it was...I knew I shouldn't have watched it but I just couldn't help myself..I need help :S

Klenotka
November 22nd, 2008, 03:58 AM
I can´t say it was the best episode ever (it´s, for me, The Shrine) but I liked it. I especially loved how Tunney said to Rodney "You are smarter than me" and Rodney instead of something stupid said just "I know" and helped to run Jennifer.:)
I liked the beginning - Sheppard as a "mentor" who knew what happened in the alternate future.
I liked how they worked this relationship - I was never a shipper of anyone but I like this ship and I think they handled it pretty well. When I think about other relationships that never happened but were supposed to or happened and have never supposed to...I think this one is really fine.
And, I think Jewel and David did a really great work in this one. I like Jewel, I always have, so I can´t find any reason why not to like this episode. My favorite characters and actors in one episode, what more to ask for? :)

So yeah, I am satisfied. And what I said after the final scene on plane? "This is sooo cool" :D

iolanda
November 22nd, 2008, 04:05 AM
So yeah, I am satisfied. And what I said after the final scene on plane? "This is sooo cool" :D

After rewatching that final scene a couple of times I just can say, that I love Davids face in it so much (I am still not sure if this belongs into a SGA Episode, but still). He shows nuances we NEVER saw on Rodney at all.

g.o.d
November 22nd, 2008, 04:06 AM
I feel sick and it's not because of that amount of alcohol I had this night and almost 60 cigarettes I smoked as well, it's because of this idiotic and boring episode

ykickamoocow
November 22nd, 2008, 04:09 AM
After rewatching that final scene a couple of times I just can say, that I love Davids face in it so much (I am still not sure if this belongs into a SGA Episode, but still). He shows nuances we NEVER saw on Rodney at all.

There is nothing at all wrong with implied sex.

duffarama
November 22nd, 2008, 04:10 AM
Probably one of the funniest Stargate episodes I've ever seen. :P

badboyzII~86
November 22nd, 2008, 04:39 AM
Well here is my review. While it was nice to get some rodney back story, something that i appreciated. In the end for me, it was an episode that i could have enjoyed (how good where the supporting cast!) if it wasn't for that Titanic of a Ship called Mckeller which sunk this one like a lead weight. Push Push Push all the way through, and then the ending, sick bags at 10 paces people. I know not all will agree, and i know some will. More power to all, my belief on this ep is that without the forced nature of mckeller, this would have been a nice filler episode, but like the titanic, it was a doomed ep for alot of fans the moment this one set sail with the writers.

iolanda
November 22nd, 2008, 04:40 AM
There is nothing at all wrong with implied sex.

Thats not the point of my problem. I loved the scene per se!

*shovels tons of NC-17 FFs away*

For me it just didn't really feel like SGA. Didn't keep me from rewatching. Again. :P

jenks
November 22nd, 2008, 04:51 AM
Thats not the point of my problem. I loved the scene per se!

*shovels tons of NC-17 FFs away*

For me it just didn't really feel like SGA. Didn't keep me from rewatching. Again. :P

Vampire!

Krissie678
November 22nd, 2008, 05:03 AM
I liked the episode as a whole if I could take off that last scene in the plane. It didn't seem very necessary and I didn't want to know what happened in that plane. :S

ykickamoocow
November 22nd, 2008, 05:07 AM
Some people are very immature when it comes to sex. There is apsolutely NOTHING wrong with impling that sex is about to happen. Hell most young kids probably wouldnt know what Keller and McKay were refering too anyway.

JackHarkness_Hot
November 22nd, 2008, 05:18 AM
It's certainly an interesting episode and in real life, most scientists has an ego the size of the planet and yeah, if every scientist worked with one another effectively, we would be in the space age by now.

Keller is right, it's embarrassing.

This episode reminds me an alright disaster movie to be honest; but one thing, oh Keller, you don't love Rodney, you just have a massive crush on him though the end scene with the sweet kissing was cute. It wasn't slutty so yeah, the end scene was cute and I quite liked it. :)

ykickamoocow, I hope parents are not letting young kids watch this series, there is the foul language and adult content such as violence. lol

Klenotka
November 22nd, 2008, 05:24 AM
Let them watch Torchwood, they´ll learn something :D

Anyway, I agree, that there is nothing wrong with the last scene - they are both adult and freshly in love. I never understood why did SG avoid this topic. It was like all characters were just robots, not people. Sure, in Sheppard´s case, it was sometimes overused for a change ("I can see a nice girl and stop thinking with my brain") but those were also just hints, not real relationships.

knowsfords
November 22nd, 2008, 05:32 AM
The good thing is that McKeller works well, the bad thing is it took too long to get to here.

Also finally they gave Keller a story where she wasn't being turned into a wraith ship, abducted by a runner, trading bodies with assassains or anything you know... completely out of character. She is the Chief Medical Officer of Atlantis, why does she need to be more.

surfcity
November 22nd, 2008, 05:56 AM
Supergeek and Dr. What's-her-name hook up? What a drag.

They ruined a best-ever-up-to-this-point, really exciting, kick-a&& season with this epi. I'm tired of them trying to make Woody-Allen-on-steroids likeable. He isn't. Like Elizabeth Weir, I won't be sorry if they kill off his character. They deserve to get cancelled after this epi.

Oka
November 22nd, 2008, 06:16 AM
lol.

CazzBlade
November 22nd, 2008, 06:18 AM
Least favourite episode of Atlantis and SG1 ever.

Shaod
November 22nd, 2008, 06:25 AM
McKay + Bill Nye = Very Entertaining episode

Although the actual episode conten was so so, the parts with bill nye were great.

The Keller stuff could have been much worse,

Colonel Eriksen
November 22nd, 2008, 06:28 AM
I liked it it was so funny

CaptainCharisma
November 22nd, 2008, 06:49 AM
I liked the episode, it was not the greatest episode ever, but not the worst. It was quite funny at times. I too have been against the McKay/Keller relationship, personally I liked the botanist that McKay was dating between seasons 2-4.

Could have done without Bill Nye in the episode, although he was funny at times. I'm disappointed that Neil Degrasse Tyson did not get that much screen time, he's shown before that he can be funny and proved it again in last night's episode. Personally I wished that they had replaced Bill Nye with Michio Kaku, because how do you invite Bill Nye to a scientific convention, but not invite Michio Kaku.

I would have liked to have seen Michio Kaku and Neil Degrasse Tyson on screen together in discussions in the same episode.

GateLadyM
November 22nd, 2008, 07:04 AM
This episode was a disgrace to Stargate. My teens could do a better writing job.

To think these writers are the ones working on "Stargate Universe" is depressing.

Southern Red
November 22nd, 2008, 07:43 AM
I watch every episode with hopeful expectations and usually find something to like. However, for the first time I erased this one from my DVR without saving it to a DVD or even rewatching it.

No John I guess was my biggest disappointment, but then I also enjoyed Trio so that can't be the whole story. I kept thinking how much better it would have been if John had gone along but then the McShep angle would have reared its ugly head. It would have been much more enjoyable to know what Shep and Ronon were up to on their surfing/camping trip.

Everything about Brainstorm was a letdown from the global warming anvils to the pseudoscience to the inane dialogue. Keller's outfit even annoyed me. Jewel is a lovely girl. It must have taken effort to make her look that bad.

And the McKeller bits just made me want to blind myself. I love a good romance...emphasis on the word good and this ain't it. He just looks so much like her dirty old uncle I want to reach for one of Brian's barf bags. And there is no romantic chemistry between DH and JS. None. Painful.

It was good to see Bill Nye again. And Dave Foley did a good job. But other than that it was beyond bad.

Nath
November 22nd, 2008, 07:47 AM
Also...

I'm not a McKeller shipper, but some of the scenes were kinda cute, like when he brought her back to life and she repeats his words from The Shrine. However, I feel the ending was a little forced, if you know what I mean.

Geez, wonder how many fanfictions about this will be written...

lmao ! I'm sure there will be plenty.
I'm not a McKeller either but the end was alright.

In fact, I didn't like this episode very much. No offense to TPTB, it's just my opinion. I'm sure some fans liked it.

Now, watching John and Ronon surfing would have been great ! ;)

Madwelshboy
November 22nd, 2008, 08:01 AM
I wasnt really looking forward to this ep, not because of McKay, not because of Keller and not because of McKeller, but because SGA's Earth based eps have not really done anythin for me. This isnt because its not about Atlantis or Peagus, but just because they seem a little forced. Even tho saying that, i quite enjoyed the ep, it made me laugh a little, cry a little and had a great and improtant message/moral to it.

For people saying that with only a few eps left, that the TPTB should have forcused on wraping storylines, JM and PM had always hoped for a 6th season while planing and writing these eps. so when there was no pick up for a new season, im glad they didnt go back and rewrite the last few eps to end storylines as this would have been rushed and forced and left plot holes and i'm therefore much happier with eps like this which have these nice character momments in them.

bluealien
November 22nd, 2008, 08:09 AM
A whole ep of John and Ronon (camping on the beach and surfing) would have been infinitely preferably to this BS.... We havn't really had any Ronon/John interaction since Search and Rescue.. oh wait we havn't really had any team interaction at all since Search and Resuce.. but let's just take up a full episode showing us how great Rodney is again.. and that he can pull the pretty young girl as well :mckay:...

kymeric
November 22nd, 2008, 08:17 AM
Haha, i really liked this ep. It was like stargate doing one of those scifi movies of the week, and it worked IMHO. We got character movement on Rodney (being humbler) we got bravery on keller (i got this, u nerds stay here and do ur nerd thing) we got charming guest stars (Nye) and we got FREEZE LIGHTNING.

And frankly if anyone thinks this romantic stuff is bad then theyve never read one of those checkout lane romance novels. Lmao. I like that they found luv :)

Hero gets the girl, check.

Edit: oh and this is prolly the only time in human history a group of scientists worked TOGETHER on a project. Even on the manhattan project the phds were running around dramaqueening and backstabbing XD

Browncoat1984
November 22nd, 2008, 08:32 AM
If people are mad because one of Atlantis' final episodes isn't as good as they'd hope it was, just remember that SG-1 to had an episode that was pretty bad as one of its final episodes. Anybody remember the season ten episode "Family Ties?" That episode was far far worse than this episode and that was with jut TWO regular episodes left before the finale.

kymeric
November 22nd, 2008, 08:50 AM
I hate it when sci-fi does plots like this that are supposed to drive some sort of point. This reminds me a bit of that Enterprise episode where T'Pol had some aids-like virus because the writers wanted to say something about aids to the viewers.
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It was a network mandate, i bet you tell ur boss to screw off when they give mandates then :-p It was a good story anyways despited needing a tree huggery message.

prion
November 22nd, 2008, 09:46 AM
hmmm this ep was.......BEYOND AWFUL......That's 43 minutes of my life i'll never get back :mckay: The more eps I see this season the less upset I become with the cancellation....I used to love stargate, loved SG-1 and will always love that but SGA now? Heck I can't even get excited anymore when a new ep comes around :( I barely even recognise it anymore..S

43 minutes? You mean that the rest of the minutes, consumed by ads, were worth watching? Unless you saw it via *cough* alternate *cough* means.

Ah, fanfic, waiting on someone to write fanfic about this episode that ISN"t about tru luv *cough*.

kymeric
November 22nd, 2008, 09:47 AM
NASA has been studing how you send people to Mars and try to keep a professional relationship in a tin can for at least 2 years if not longer with a mixed sex crew.

Whereas Russia has been studying seckz in space for decades. Remind me again WHOS had the more active/functional space launch program for the last 10 yrs. Thats right, the cosmonauts who can drunk vodka and bone eachother in space XD

SGFerrit
November 22nd, 2008, 09:49 AM
I enjoyed this episode. I lol'd a good few times, I liked the McKeller, and I liked seeing more about Rodney's life and 'friends'.:mckay:

Tiberius Avitus
November 22nd, 2008, 09:57 AM
Tornadoes


The atmospheric science was ridiculous. I don't believe there was enough cold air in the building to cause tornadoes! There just wasn't the volume there. Once the containment field closed down, the place would warm right up as the heat swarmed in from outside. The science was very shaky imo. Not that I'm an expert.

Could tornadoes like that really form so quickly? That was odd.

Yes and no. Tornadoes can form very quickly but the circumstances on the show would suggest that no tornado would have been formed. At the worst, from what we know, it would have produced a “High risk” situation that could spawn a tornado but would more likely form a thunderstorm. I am surprised the physicists on the show as guest stars would not have corrected this. Also as Michelle as suggested the shield extended directly around the facility cooling only the air inside I doubt there would have been enough air in the facility to cause any sort of major atmospheric changes.

“How do tornadoes form? The classic answer -- "warm moist Gulf air meets cold Canadian air and dry air from the Rockies" -- is a gross oversimplification. Many thunderstorms form under those conditions (near warm fronts, cold fronts and drylines respectively), which never even come close to producing tornadoes. Even when the large-scale environment is extremely favorable for tornadic thunderstorms, as in an SPC "High Risk" outlook, not every thunderstorm spawns a tornado. The truth is that we don't fully understand. The most destructive and deadly tornadoes occur from supercells -- which are rotating thunderstorms with a well-defined radar circulation called a mesocyclone. [Supercells can also produce damaging hail, severe non-tornadic winds, unusually frequent lightning, and flash floods.] Tornado formation is believed to be dictated mainly by things which happen on the storm scale, in and around the mesocyclone. Recent theories and results from the VORTEX program suggest that once a mesocyclone is underway, tornado development is related to the temperature differences across the edge of downdraft air wrapping around the mesocyclone (the occlusion downdraft). Mathematical modeling studies of tornado formation also indicate that it can happen without such temperature patterns; and in fact, very little temperature variation was observed near some of the most destructive tornadoes in history on 3 May 1999. The details behind these theories are given in several of the Scientific References”
From http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/

I do give credit to where I found this information unlike the physicists we have seen.

Also the idea that the moment the heat sink was turned off the tornadoes would dissipate makes no sense. The cold air would still be in the air, the tornadoes are already in existence how does turning off the heat sink suddenly stop the tornadoes.


Phone Call to the SGC

Then there's the phone call to Walter...okay, wouldn't Walter try and trace that phone-call? Even if SGC only managed to show up at the very end of the episode (last-minute save), that would have made more sense. I imagine the SGC would have a phone number such that it wouldn't be easy to prank call or misdial...

I think it was added more as a joke and a funny one at that. Walter just hangs up!! Keller says “Son of a b####.” Classic.

Though they would definitely have traced the call, but it served the plot better if they were not able to get help.


Medicine

The 'CPR' McKay did on Keller was quite laughable, but then I've noticed that Atlantis doesn't seem to be very good showing emergency medicine, or recovery from being in cardiac/respiratory arrest. During the scene I kept thinking, give rescue breaths, compressions alone won't do it! :rolleyes:

Yeah, I noticed that too. He only did one rescue breath. Of course though he may have a doctorate he is no medical doctor.


He said she wasn't breathing, but I didn't even notice if Rodney checked for a pulse, to be honest.

He did check for a pulse. However Rodney seemed to check for a pulse for too long in my opinion. I was starting to think if you cannot feel a pulse by now her heart is not beating.

Also when the one guy gets hit by “Freeze Lightning” my first reaction was that Mr. Freeze was attacking the facility. Also they never explain if he lived or died at the end that annoyed me.

I thought when Mckay turned up the power to the device that it was going to get Keller killed in the hallway like that one guy got killed, in a hallway, by Mckay’s mistake on the Arcturus Project on Doranda.


Keller Taking Charge as a balance to Mckay’s ego

This was also the first time where you could really see why Mckay and Kelly could work they balance each other he listens to her.

I found it funny when Mckay gets all worked up and says he won’t sign the confidentiality agreement and she tells him to sign it and he does. It seemed like they were a married couple.


I thought this was a good episode. I liked how Keller took charge of the scientists when they were arguing with each other. I thought it showed her leadership skills quite well.

It looked like she was their teacher. She calls them all sixth graders and then Mckay raises his hand like a shy schoolboy.


Keller taking charge of the scientists was good for her, but I don't believe scientists in that position would be such tools, imo.

Physicists are very whimsical people. After all think of Strong nuclear force and Weak nuclear force. Weak nuclear force is stronger than Strong nuclear force. They discovered strong force first and knew it was a very powerful force so they named it strong force. Then when they found an even stronger force they decided to name it weak force. They should have debated the “Freeze Lightning” name longer.


Mckay and Keller

After rewatching that final scene a couple of times I just can say, that I love Davids face in it so much (I am still not sure if this belongs into a SGA Episode, but still). He shows nuances we NEVER saw on Rodney at all.


There is nothing at all wrong with implied sex.

For Stargate I have to disagree implied sex just does not fit. O’Neill and Carter have not even told each other how they feel in ten seasons. Having two characters having relations after the first date in Stargate just does not fit. I agree it doesn’t belong in a SGA Episode after the first date. Do not get me wrong it is understandable sometimes like the Daniel and Vala scene in “Unending” did seem to fit as they knew each other before they got stuck on the ship and had the rest of their lives together on the ship to form a long relationship. So if they have known each other for an incredibly long period of time it is more reasonable then after a first date.


Was that the Dali lama in the picture with Tinney that made McKay jealous?
Yes it was the Dali Lama. I was fully expecting at the ending of the show when Mckay and Keller are getting suggestive, that as soon as they start kissing he will look over, see the Dali Lama and decide to complain about it instead of well you know… (A reference Keller’s comment “are you going to complain the whole trip or…”) In my opinion that would have been a far better and funnier ending.


The Physicists

Could have done without Bill Nye in the episode, although he was funny at times. I'm disappointed that Neil Degrasse Tyson did not get that much screen time, he's shown before that he can be funny and proved it again in last night's episode. Personally I wished that they had replaced Bill Nye with Michio Kaku, because how do you invite Bill Nye to a scientific convention, but not invite Michio Kaku.
I would have liked to have seen Michio Kaku and Neil Degrasse Tyson on screen together in discussions in the same episode.
I agree with adding Michio Kaku but not removing Bill Nye. Michio Kaku is on the Discovery Channel a lot. Neil Degrasse Tyson is on History Channel’s “The Universe.” And Bill Nye has “Bill Nye the Science guy.” It would have been great to see all of them together in one place. Plus perhaps a real Steven Hawking. But seeing Tyson and Nye together with Mckay was great. How Mckay saved all their lives could have been played up at bit. I would have liked to see the physicists try and save face while apologizing to Mckay.


Side Notes
(Stands up.) I came up with those keyboards that come out of the desks in the control room. Darn I wish I had patented that.

The jokes about the private jets were great. We always hear about prominent environmentalists taking private jets.


Dave Foley was very good.

I agree, I enjoyed his performance in News Radio. The television series.

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 10:05 AM
He said she wasn't breathing, but I didn't even notice if Rodney checked for a pulse, to be honest. But it was ridiculous anyway. Nobody can recover from severe hypothermia that quickly without being warmed up. Yet again lazy and careless writing which seems to have plagued this season, IMO. :(

fanfic brought to life.

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 10:32 AM
43 minutes? You mean that the rest of the minutes, consumed by ads, were worth watching? Unless you saw it via *cough* alternate *cough* means.

Ah, fanfic, waiting on someone to write fanfic about this episode that ISN"t about tru luv *cough*.

I saw it by *cough* other means *cough* ;) I would have rather sat through all the ads than watch this piece of drivel though :S


fanfic brought to life.

I wouldn't even insult fanfic writing by comparing them to this piece of drivel ;) Most fanfic writers could do a better job than this :S

jelgate
November 22nd, 2008, 10:39 AM
I saw it by *cough* other means *cough* ;) I would have rather sat through all the ads than watch this piece of drivel though :SThats why you need your barf bag standing by. It was needed for the resolution scene of BS.:p

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 10:46 AM
I wouldn't even insult fanfic writing by comparing them to this piece of drivel ;) Most fanfic writers could do a better job than this :S

true, they would have done the research to know that a person can't be non-responsive and not breathing due to hypothermia and be revived by cpr - without warming - and immediately be all right.

not to mention the sheer silliniess of the heat sink in the first place. the tornadoes....(which is another plot hole of its own)...the only way the heat sink would work on a global level would be to have hundreds of them all over the place...which means hundreds of tears in space/time. does not sound like a good idea.

then we'll get into the primitive looking CGI of hte facility - i've seen kids do better. walter getting a phone call to the general's private line and not investigate it...and the list goes on.

it was like the writers were annoyed at being given an assignment (write something environmental for green week) and just tossed together something to get it done.

and if this had really been bad fanfic, keller would have been an OC :)

Pandora's_Box
November 22nd, 2008, 10:49 AM
I can't really even argue against that because, for the most part, I agree.

I'll just live in McKeller la la land 'till all this blows over.

flamarius
November 22nd, 2008, 10:58 AM
A whole ep of John and Ronon (camping on the beach and surfing) would have been infinitely preferably to this BS.... We havn't really had any Ronon/John interaction since Search and Rescue.. oh wait we havn't really had any team interaction at all since Search and Resuce.. but let's just take up a full episode showing us how great Rodney is again.. and that he can pull the pretty young girl as well :mckay:...

I tell you, I wish you had been hired as one of their writers for this season. LOL!

John and Ronon camping would be heavenly!

I'm not all about the Rodney, so this the thought of this episode was enough to keep me away from the television.

~F

Pandora's_Box
November 22nd, 2008, 11:05 AM
I tell you, I wish you had been hired as one of their writers for this season. LOL!

John and Ronon camping would be heavenly!

I'm not all about the Rodney, so this the thought of this episode was enough to keep me away from the television.

~F

And the thought of an entire episode spent watching the manly men surf the waves and hunt their own food is far from heavenly for me.

So, you see, you can't please everyone...ever.

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 11:07 AM
Really long, please reference orginal post.

Thanks for all the work on this post!

To the others who have criticised the lack of team, I feel your pain. Especially the lack of Teyla. But, I don't mind the focus on one or two characters. Everyone should get a chance to shine. The last episode was supposed to be focused on Woolsey, but they expanded it to include Sheppard and McKay. I believe we have an episode coming up with only Sheppard and Ronon.

It seems hard not to have team episodes when we have so few episodes left in the series, but the stories weren't written with the end of the show in mind. So many people complain about the lack of backstories or personal interactions, then when we get it, people complain because the story doesn't go in the direction they wanted.

Folks complain that Keller is whiney, then they complain when she shows some backbone. Of course, this could be complaints from 2 different sets of people.

This is a science fiction show that doesn't take itself too seriously. When they don't get the medical stuff right, I usually don't spot it because I don't have a medical background. I get how that would bother people who know better, and I think that scifi fans are especially picky in getting the science part right. But, I guess I'm lucky that I don't know medicine. I'm always more interested in the emotional impact of the situation than if somebody who's not a medical professional on the show doesn't do rescue breathing correctly.

It was the Rodney's panic that he might lose Jennifer that caught me, not that he wasn't doing the compressions right. It was Rodney's enormous relief that Jennifer came back to him that I was interested in, not that he should have been rubbing her arms to warm her up.

This is Stargate. People are always walking around after getting seriously shot or stabbed or gassed or zapped by some energy ray or almost drowned. What's a little freezing between folks?

About those boots. I don't have any fashion sense, so I don't know how much of a gaff that was. It did look kinda funny just to see her knees peeking out between the black dress and the black boots. But maybe Keller is a little dorky when it comes to fashion. Or maybe Rodney likes boots and she was dressing for him. Bill Nye didn't seem to mind the boots.

Maybe this was their first official date, but that doesn't mean they don't know each other very well. Just look at the way Rodney was sitting with Jennifer in the mess hall in the first scene. He's obviously very comfortable talking with her informally. He only got tongue tied when he was trying to get her to go with him to the conference. He didn't even say it was a date, it was Jennifer who called it that.

BTW, David Hewlett has always said that he loves his job and you can see why. He got to kiss both Amanda Tapping and Jewel Staite while doing this show! Of course, he had to kiss Paul McGillion, too, but hey, that's an actor's life!

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 11:08 AM
hey, a shep and ronon adventure would have at least broken things up

even better? how about the TEAM camping on the main land where they run into some previously unknown critter/semi-sentient life form that they have to handle

Jumper_One
November 22nd, 2008, 11:10 AM
I enjoyed Brain Storm but it's definitely my least favorite ep of s5. Best line: Because I shower every day. No offense Larry :P

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 11:13 AM
The problem with being an English viewer is that I don't always understand American references. In the first scene on Earth, Kramer tells Tunney that something has a lot riding on the experiment. It sounds like "cause" but might be a set of initials like CORS or CAUS or something. I've tried googling various spellings but haven't come up with anything definitive. Any advice on what it might be, please? Thanks.

You probably figured this out already.

Kramer: The cause has a lot riding on this.
Tunney: Don't worry about it. Your precious cause will come out squeeky clean tomorrow...

The "cause" being global warming.

TheLastSunset
November 22nd, 2008, 11:15 AM
I liked the episode (I've never disliked an episode from Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis and I've seen them all). I was happy seeing Neil deGrasse Tyson, Dave Foley and Bill Nye. Three people I've known from watching them on TV. It was especially surreal to see Neil deGrasse Tyson come on. I wonder if he watches Stargate.. Though, I wanted the episode to have Neil helping solve the dilemma with Bill Nye, Malcolm Tunney and McKay. It's a shame for me they didn't.

..I wish Stargate Atlantis wasn't cancelled yet. It wasn't ready to go to the direct-to-DVD movie format this early, I don't think.

Pandora's_Box
November 22nd, 2008, 11:21 AM
even better? how about the TEAM camping on the main land where they run into some previously unknown critter/semi-sentient life form that they have to handle

That I could get into.

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 11:26 AM
Thats why you need your barf bag standing by. It was needed for the resolution scene of BS.:p

I don't think I had a big enough barf bag for this ep...It was overflowing :S

It's the worse ep ever from both stargate series....Yes it was even worse than the series finale of SG-1 :S

jelgate
November 22nd, 2008, 11:29 AM
I don't think I had a big enough barf bag for this ep...It was overflowing :SIt's the worse ep ever from both stargate series....Yes it was even worse than the series finale of SG-1 :SI think you getting a little overdramatic. It was bad but their were definatly worse episodes.

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 11:34 AM
I think you getting a little overdramatic. It was bad but their were definatly worse episodes.

Nope not for me...This was the worse ep in all of stargate :S

Infinatus
November 22nd, 2008, 11:36 AM
Nope not for me...This was the worse ep in all of stargate :S

Personally I think episodes like"Bane" were much worse than this. Also, however weak the story might have been the guest stars really saved some parts of this one.

iolanda
November 22nd, 2008, 11:37 AM
Nope not for me...This was the worse ep in all of stargate :S

*cough* Irresistible/Irresponsible* cough*

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 11:38 AM
I think you getting a little overdramatic. It was bad but their were definatly worse episodes.
i think this gives Family Ties a run for its money. or Bounty

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 11:43 AM
Personally I think episodes like"Bane" were much worse than this. Also, however weak the story might have been the guest stars really saved some parts of this one.

Even the guest stars couldn't save this ep for me..I've never squirmed so much watching a show....It was painful to watch :S


*cough* Irresistible/Irresponsible* cough*

Even they were better :S At least we got a bit of a laugh in those ;)

Infinatus
November 22nd, 2008, 11:47 AM
Even the guest stars couldn't save this ep for me..I've never squirmed so much watching a show....It was painful to watch :S

Well I actually enjoyed all the scenes with Bill Nye in it. He adds a lot of humor to the episode. Overall I thought the episode was entertaining, not good, just entertaining. There were some awkward moments (such as McKay telling his date that he vomited after eating strawberries) but I still think it could have been worse. BTW, the physics were all wrong and I actually cringed watching the global warming presentation.

P.S. Have you seen Torment of Tantalus? I have never been more bored by Stargate in my life...

Callie
November 22nd, 2008, 11:55 AM
Kramer: The cause has a lot riding on this.
Tunney: Don't worry about it. Your precious cause will come out squeeky clean tomorrow...
The "cause" being global warming.

Oh, it was just "cause"! Thanks!

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 11:55 AM
Well I actually enjoyed all the scenes with Bill Nye in it. He adds a lot of humor to the episode. Overall I thought the episode was entertaining, not good, just entertaining. There were some awkward moments (such as McKay telling his date that he vomited after eating strawberries) but I still think it could have been worse. BTW, the physics were all wrong and I actually cringed watching the global warming presentation.

P.S. Have you seen Torment of Tantalus? I have never been more bored by Stargate in my life...

Yep I saw that ep but even that wasn't as bad as this :S IMVHO of course ;)

It probably doesn't help that BS revolved around two of my least favourie characters in stargate ;)

Infinatus
November 22nd, 2008, 11:59 AM
Yep I saw that ep but even that wasn't as bad as this :S IMVHO of course ;)

It probably doesn't help that BS revolved around two of my least favourie characters in stargate ;)

Oh yeah true. I actually considered not watching this episode, but decided I'd watch anyway for Bill Nye and to see how erroneous the science was.

Nemises
November 22nd, 2008, 12:01 PM
instead of showing episodes like this they should progressed the story in pegasus galaxy like exploring other worlds through the stargate or destroying a couple of hives :p or working on the human alliance.

wurlitzer153
November 22nd, 2008, 12:11 PM
Some parts were good, some were bad.

The good: McKay's quipping about Tyson downgrading Pluto. My father gets upset every time he sees Tyson on TV because of that.

The bad: The whole 'global warming' BS. I'm a complete skeptic over it, the evidence is completely against what the so called 'experts' are saying.

I also found it amusing how they were complaining about taking a private jet when it was recently brought up with the car company execs.

JadedWraith
November 22nd, 2008, 12:16 PM
instead of showing episodes like this they should progressed the story in pegasus galaxy like exploring other worlds through the stargate or destroying a couple of hives :p or working on the human alliance.

I don't mind a filler episode now and again...but this one was...boring. I was utterly bored. Even the cool guests couldn't save it. A so called physicist convention and no Sam Carter? Predictable, slow, boring.

Could someone explain me why was McKay performing CPR at an hypothermia victim?

I am not a Keller/ McKay fan neither am I a hater but this did nothing to add this couple some sort of chemistry. Nothing.

oi...Martin Gero you have to do a lot better.
Is this some kind of conspiracy to make me not miss SGA so much?

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 12:19 PM
P.S. Have you seen Torment of Tantalus? I have never been more bored by Stargate in my life...
But that episode has Paul McGillion in it!

For Atlantis, I think Irresistable is way worse than this. The only drug McKay and Keller have is love. Oh, yes, I did like how Keller recited McKay's lines from The Shrine back to him.

I'm not sorry that I think McKay and Keller are kinda cute together.

You want a relationship that has no chemistry? Sheppard and Larrin. Flanigan is so much the better actor. Larrin is so plastic next to him. The actress is just reciting the lines. Sheppard and Chaya was unbelievable, too. Again, another plastic actress. Flanigan could have really shined if they just gave him an actress he could be on an equal footing with. Brandy Ledford, who was Norina from the volcano episode, Inferno, would have been a good match. Too bad she had already appeared on Atlantis. She would've been an excellent Larrin.

But Sheppard is the lone hero type, so no girl for him.

g.o.d
November 22nd, 2008, 12:27 PM
*cough* irresistible/irresponsible* cough*

200

Jumper_One
November 22nd, 2008, 12:30 PM
Some parts were good, some were bad.

The good: McKay's quipping about Tyson downgrading Pluto. My father gets upset every time he sees Tyson on TV because of that.

The bad: The whole 'global warming' BS. I'm a complete skeptic over it, the evidence is completely against what the so called 'experts' are saying.

I also found it amusing how they were complaining about taking a private jet when it was recently brought up with the car company execs.

LOL :P riiight :rolleyes:

Southern Red
November 22nd, 2008, 12:32 PM
*cough* Irresistible/Irresponsible* cough*

Nope, those were Shakespeare next to this one. At least they were funny and had Shep in them.


But that episode has Paul McGillion in it!

For Atlantis, I think Irresistable is way worse than this. The only drug McKay and Keller have is love. Oh, yes, I did like how Keller recited McKay's lines from The Shrine back to him.

I'm not sorry that I think McKay and Keller are kinda cute together.

You want a relationship that has no chemistry? Sheppard and Larrin. Flanigan is so much the better actor. Larrin is so plastic next to him. The actress is just reciting the lines. Sheppard and Chaya was unbelievable, too. Again, another plastic actress. Flanigan could have really shined if they just gave him an actress he could be on an equal footing with. Brandy Ledford, who was Norina from the volcano episode, Inferno, would have been a good match. Too bad she had already appeared on Atlantis. She would've been an excellent Larrin.

But Sheppard is the lone hero type, so no girl for him.

Sorry, but he had a leading lady that he had great chemistry with and they killed her. It had to be said.

hisg1fans
November 22nd, 2008, 12:32 PM
I liked this episode. Great cameos by the real physicists. McKay got lucky!!:mckayanime09:

Plus, DH was looking particularly sexy in the tux. Maybe he'll be the next James Bond ;)

jelgate
November 22nd, 2008, 12:33 PM
LOL :P riiight :rolleyes:And this one of the reasons I hate whe writers press politics. Soon we will have a political debate in here:P

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 12:37 PM
Could someone explain me why was McKay performing CPR at an hypothermia victim?
Because McKay isn't a medical person, he thought Keller wasn't breathing, he panicked and did the only thing he knew to do with people who aren't breathing. It wasn't supposed to be the correct medical procedure. It was just a frantic response to try and help the woman he loves.

According to hypothermia.org:

If the victim is not breathing, rescue breathing should be initiated. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) in the pulse-less patient should be begun immediately, although pulse and respirations may need to be checked for longer periods to detect minimal cardiopulmonary efforts. The traditional recommendation that pulse and respiration's be checked for 1 to 2 minutes before beginning CPR is probably excessive. A span of 30 to 45 seconds should be adequate to confirm pulselessness or profound bradycardia, for which CPR would be required.

WebMD says:

The first priority is to perform a careful check for breathing and a pulse and initiate cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) as necessary.

Because the victim's heartbeat may be very weak and slow, the pulse check should ideally be continued for at least 1 minute before beginning CPR. Rough handling of these victims may cause deadly heart rhythms.

I don't think Rodney was thinking about deadly heart rhythms when he initiated CPR.

Maybe McKay was doing the rescue breathing when the show cut back to Tunney and Nye. :)

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 12:41 PM
the thing is....doing cpr on a person with a normal heart beat can kill them

and, honestly, jennifer shouldn't have gotten on that jet in her cold, wet clothes.

getting out of wet clothing is 'get warm' step #1

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 12:43 PM
Sorry, but he had a leading lady that he had great chemistry with and they killed her. It had to be said.
And who wrote that whole 500 hundred page book about Elizabeth?

silly sally
November 22nd, 2008, 12:51 PM
An okaish episode, but McKeller really pissed me off, not because I don't like this ship (I'm mildly sympathetic to it), but how come they get in 1 year what Sam/Jack shippers are still waiting after 12 years! :mad:
P.S. Where was Sam? She should have at least been mentioned
:mckay: I wish Sam were here instead of this bozo...

Southern Red
November 22nd, 2008, 12:55 PM
And who wrote that whole 500 hundred page book about Elizabeth?

True, so we all lose. ;)

Showfan
November 22nd, 2008, 12:56 PM
Total waste. Absolute rubbish.

So Rodney, middle aged Rodney, gets to have sex with a young girl who just very nearly died! And look, she's still wearing a wet T-shirt! Oooohhh! Ahhh...Lucky...way to go geek boy! Rodney joins the mile high club.

God, I'm sorry, but how very, very disgusting, classless, and disappointing. I knew it would happen sooner or later. Gero killed the show even before the final episode aired.


:sheppard::mckay::teyla::ronan:

Artha O'neill
November 22nd, 2008, 01:01 PM
An okaish episode, but McKeller really pissed me off, not because I don't like this ship (I'm mildly sympathetic to it), but how come they get in 1 year what Sam/Jack shippers are still waiting after 12 years! :mad:
P.S. Where was Sam? She should have at least been mentioned
:mckay: I wish Sam were here instead of this bozo...
Amen!!

LoneStar1836
November 22nd, 2008, 01:10 PM
The jokes about the private jets were great. We always hear about prominent environmentalists taking private jets.lol. That was the only thing in the episode that I liked.



the thing is....doing cpr on a person with a normal heart beat can kill them

and, honestly, jennifer shouldn't have gotten on that jet in her cold, wet clothes.

getting out of wet clothing is 'get warm' step #1Oh shush, Skydiver. :P

I'd have need a much larger barf bucket if the writers had gone that route so this time I applaud the writers for their lack of medical procedure knowledge.

Evidently they carried out that step anyway after the screen faded to black on the plane. *insert puking smilie*


I've always hate hate hated main character ship on Stargate. Period. They can't and never will be able to write it properly.

watcher652
November 22nd, 2008, 01:17 PM
the thing is....doing cpr on a person with a normal heart beat can kill them

Well, I supposed the scene could have been this:

Rodney: You're not breathing! My god, you're not breathing!

(Rodney checks for Jennifer's pulse)

Rodney: Please don't be dead, please don't be dead!

(Rodney starts to do CPR on Jennifer)

Rodney: No no no no no. CPR can cause deadly heart rhythms! Breathe, gotta do the breathing thing.

(Rodney starts rescue breathing. He pauses in the breathing.)

Rodney: Please come back to me! Please! Please come back to me!

It may have been wrong, but the CPR was more dramatic.


and, honestly, jennifer shouldn't have gotten on that jet in her cold, wet clothes.
We don't know that her clothes were still wet. Maybe both she and Rodney had blankets over their shoulders in the jet because they still were cold, even though it may have been psychological. Standing outside in the desert to get on the plane must've dried her little dress some. Or hey, maybe the ladies room had one of those hot air blowers to dry your hands and she dried her dress with it. If there was any power left after blowing the system.

I supposed Rodney could have given her his dress shirt to wear, but I don't think the show wanted to go that far. She wasn't wearing his wet jacket.

And hey, it was Jennifer who said it was kinda nice that they were both in the back of the jet alone. And then she raised her eyebrows at Rodney! He did mention she was legally dead just a few hours ago and she was practically frozen. (I think that should have been enough time for her to put on someone else's dry jacket and to have her dress dry in the desert sun, we don't know how long they've been on the plane). Keller said it was that or listen to Rodney say how it was "you and only you that saved the day." He wasn't slow to catch that clue. Genius!

smushybird
November 22nd, 2008, 02:12 PM
Nope, those were Shakespeare next to this one. At least they were funny and had Shep in them.



Sorry, but he had a leading lady that he had great chemistry with and they killed her. It had to be said.

Eh. There was no more chemistry between Sheppard and Weir than there is between McKay and Keller.

It all feels forced, in the script and on the screen.

And I'm not saying that because I like other 'ships. I don't care for any 'ships, but I can tell when there's chemistry. There ain't.

smushybird
November 22nd, 2008, 02:15 PM
She's only just said "I love you" and already she's trying to change him. That doesn't bode well for a long-lasting relationship.

Infinite-Possibilities
November 22nd, 2008, 02:27 PM
This was a pretty terrible episode by Stargate Atlantis standards. Probably the worst one in the year, but it still has some base entertainment value simply by watching the characters work. So basically watching McKay play off Bill Nye and um... Dave Foley's character was the main good thing about this episode.

atlantis_babe34
November 22nd, 2008, 02:39 PM
It was an Alright episode i thoughyt. A Canon finally, but i don't see how mckay can have 2 good relationships in like 2 years and we don't even get to see Sam and Jack in one >_<.

The other thing that i was suprised at is that Mckay actually caught on to what Keller was saying in the last scene. Can you imagine him at hgihschool?! gosh lol.

All in all made for a alright episode

Southern Red
November 22nd, 2008, 02:42 PM
Eh. There was no more chemistry between Sheppard and Weir than there is between McKay and Keller.

It all feels forced, in the script and on the screen.

And I'm not saying that because I like other 'ships. I don't care for any 'ships, but I can tell when there's chemistry. There ain't.

Well this is very off topic here but it's a matter of opinion, isn't it?

prion
November 22nd, 2008, 02:47 PM
the thing is....doing cpr on a person with a normal heart beat can kill them

and, honestly, jennifer shouldn't have gotten on that jet in her cold, wet clothes.

getting out of wet clothing is 'get warm' step #1

yeah, well, what the writers know about first can fit here [_____] *cough*

Rac80
November 22nd, 2008, 03:01 PM
Truly a disgusting, trashy ep. Better luck next time.
And Rodney's had more canon sex than anyone in this show so don't Poor Rodney me about how "guys like him" never get the girl. Sheesh.
Middle aged men shouldn't be "getting" young girls anyway.
yep definitely has the "squick factor!" http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)


hmmm this ep was.......BEYOND AWFUL......That's 43 minutes of my life i'll never get back :mckay: The more eps I see this season the less upset I become with the cancellation....I used to love stargate, loved SG-1 and will always love that but SGA now? Heck I can't even get excited anymore when a new ep comes around :( I barely even recognise it anymore...

And yet again NO FREAKIN TEYLA.....I'm sorry but I must have missed the memo telling us she was reduced to a recurring character this season :mckay:

And what the hell is with wearing boots with a dress :confused: Very weird....I HATE MCPUKER WITH A VENGEANCE :mad: I mean the ki....ki.....Holy hanna I can't even say it :S It was like an uncle ki....well know, his neice...It was.....OMFG I think i'm gonna puke :S

So yeah, this ep gets a -10 out of 10...That's how bad it was...I knew I shouldn't have watched it but I just couldn't help myself..I need help :S
you should not have watched it linda. yeah, the sorta-incest angle of mckay/keller gags me too! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)

Supergeek and Dr. What's-her-name hook up? What a drag.

They ruined a best-ever-up-to-this-point, really exciting, kick-a&& season with this epi. I'm tired of them trying to make Woody-Allen-on-steroids likeable. He isn't. Like Elizabeth Weir, I won't be sorry if they kill off his character. They deserve to get cancelled after this epi.

LOL love the woody allen on steroids line! I wish they had killed mckay off... maybe in the seige pt. I instead of peter? ;) (season1)

I watch every episode with hopeful expectations and usually find something to like. However, for the first time I erased this one from my DVR without saving it to a DVD or even rewatching it.

No John I guess was my biggest disappointment, but then I also enjoyed Trio so that can't be the whole story. I kept thinking how much better it would have been if John had gone along but then the McShep angle would have reared its ugly head. It would have been much more enjoyable to know what Shep and Ronon were up to on their surfing/camping trip.

Everything about Brainstorm was a letdown from the global warming anvils to the pseudoscience to the inane dialogue. Keller's outfit even annoyed me. Jewel is a lovely girl. It must have taken effort to make her look that bad.

And the McKeller bits just made me want to blind myself. I love a good romance...emphasis on the word good and this ain't it. He just looks so much like her dirty old uncle I want to reach for one of Brian's barf bags. And there is no romantic chemistry between DH and JS. None. Painful.

It was good to see Bill Nye again. And Dave Foley did a good job. But other than that it was beyond bad.

LOL I agree with Keller's outfit Atleast it wasn't a catholic schoolgirl outfit! :rolleyes: the whole idea makes me gag! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)
and what No "b-story"? nothing about what was happening in pegasus at the same time? :S Just "As the stomach churns" :(

I don't think I had a big enough barf bag for this ep...It was overflowing :S

It's the worse ep ever from both stargate series....Yes it was even worse than the series finale of SG-1 :S
I must agree there. I think any ep that is mckay heavy is on the bottom anyway... but this was the worst!


Some parts were good, some were bad.

The good: McKay's quipping about Tyson downgrading Pluto. My father gets upset every time he sees Tyson on TV because of that.

The bad: The whole 'global warming' BS. I'm a complete skeptic over it, the evidence is completely against what the so called 'experts' are saying.

I also found it amusing how they were complaining about taking a private jet when it was recently brought up with the car company execs.
My philosphy on global warming is simple: when they can predict the weather accurately three days running THEN i'll beleive what they say about global warming! not happened yet!:P


Total waste. Absolute rubbish.

So Rodney, middle aged Rodney, gets to have sex with a young girl who just very nearly died! And look, she's still wearing a wet T-shirt! Oooohhh! Ahhh...Lucky...way to go geek boy! Rodney joins the mile high club.

God, I'm sorry, but how very, very disgusting, classless, and disappointing. I knew it would happen sooner or later. Gero killed the show even before the final episode aired.




yep the dirty-old-man-sweet-young-thing angle is disgusting. Is Jennifer's middle name "Lolita"? makes me want to gag everytime I think about it! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)

Ncc-72452
November 22nd, 2008, 03:06 PM
Eh. There was no more chemistry between Sheppard and Weir than there is between McKay and Keller.

It all feels forced, in the script and on the screen.

And I'm not saying that because I like other 'ships. I don't care for any 'ships, but I can tell when there's chemistry. There ain't.

At least Sheppard and Weir's age has the same number in front... And not a difference of 2 as is the case in the other two...

ew...

Southern Red
November 22nd, 2008, 03:16 PM
At least Sheppard and Weir's age has the same number in front... And not a difference of 2 as is the case in the other two...

ew...

Thank you, thank you very much.

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 03:28 PM
yep definitely has the "squick factor!" http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)


you should not have watched it linda. yeah, the sorta-incest angle of mckay/keller gags me too! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)


LOL love the woody allen on steroids line! I wish they hsd killed mckay off... maybe in the seige pt. I instead of peter? ;) (season1)


LOL I agree with Keller's outfit Atleast it wasn't a catholic schoolgirl outfit! :rolleyes: the whole idea makes me gag! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)
and what No "b-story"? nothing about what was happening in pegasus at the same time? :S Just "As the stomach churns" :(

I must agree there. I think any ep that is mckay heavy is on the bottom anyway... but this was the worst!


My philosphy on global warming is simple: when they can predict the weather accurately three days running THEN i'll beleive what they say about global warming! not happened yet!:P



yep the dirty-old-man-sweet-young-thing angle is disgusting. Is Jennifer's middle name "Lolita"? makes me want to gag everytime I think about it! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php)

Yeah I know I shouldn't have watched it but I couldn't help ,myself...I wanted to see if it was as bad as I feared it would :S It was worse :S *grabs another barf bag* Oh boy at this rate i'm gonna run out of barf bags very soon :S

prion
November 22nd, 2008, 03:28 PM
A family member just watched my recording of this episode and said (having to edit out some, er, language)

"What a **** cheap door!" Yes, for a secure facility, they have a cheap wooden door. At least he didn't do a Jack Nicholson impression...
Sorry, no such thing as 'hypothermic shock.'
THe CPR was totally wrong.
The hypothermia scene was ALL wrong.
"What? No dry clothes!" comes the cry when the plane scene began

Best scene: When Nye slapped Tunny.

CazzBlade
November 22nd, 2008, 03:54 PM
Eh. There was no more chemistry between Sheppard and Weir than there is between McKay and Keller.

It all feels forced, in the script and on the screen.

And I'm not saying that because I like other 'ships. I don't care for any 'ships, but I can tell when there's chemistry. There ain't.

I'm a Sheppard/Teyla shipper but Sheppard/Weir has miles and miles more chemistry than McKay/Keller.

Tatyana_Oracle
November 22nd, 2008, 03:58 PM
I'm curious, in tv shows, is it required for the two people who are in luv to shack up. Can't they get married first? Does anyone have any will power?

Giantevilhead
November 22nd, 2008, 04:08 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about the age difference between David Hewlett and Jewel Staite. David is 14 years older than Jewel but Richard Dean Anderson is 15 years older than Amanda Tapping.

Southern Red
November 22nd, 2008, 04:11 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about the age difference between David Hewlett and Jewel Staite. David is 14 years older than Jewel but Richard Dean Anderson is 15 years older than Amanda Tapping.

I can only speak for myself, but I think the difference between 20's and 40's is quite a bit bigger than (I have no idea how old Amanda is, but isn't RDA in his 50's?) so I'll say 40's and 50's . It's a maturity thing I guess. Life experience and all that.

Linda06
November 22nd, 2008, 04:11 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about the age difference between David Hewlett and Jewel Staite. David is 14 years older than Jewel but Richard Dean Anderson is 15 years older than Amanda Tapping.

Yeah but Sam/Jack doesn't look like Uncle/Niece like Rodney/Keller :S It just looks......Weird between them!

wonderwall
November 22nd, 2008, 04:17 PM
With Atlantis' cancellation, some fans shreiked in horror, others thought its time had come anyway, and now alot of us wish someone would just get a shotgun and put the show out of its misery.

May I ask why you watch at all? If you aren't getting any enjoyment or entertainment out of a tv show why don't you just change the channel? People who hate the show know, why don't you just pretend it ended after season 4 or whatever season you like best?

dalla-elf
November 22nd, 2008, 04:26 PM
So a lot of people are harping on this episode of having no point.
Well, if we remember SG-1, there were many stand alone episodes that had nothing to do with a general arc or the big bads or anything at all.
I happened to enjoy learning more about what the hell happens to
all the discoveries the scientists of SGA and SG-1. It seems they do get
published in the 'secret files' of the government. Also I liked the focus on Keller and Rodney. These people have personal lives and we knew this ship was coming after Rodney started to loose his memory in 'The Shrine'. The 'I love you' was a bit premature though!

Having Bill Nye and other scientists was a blast. Also, the room full of physicists trying to solve the problem was hilarious!

Overall I enjoyed the episode because it reminds me that not everything has to be about the Wraith, the big bads, or Atlantis! Earth has to fit in there sometime. If this type of episode appears in the BSG final episodes, I would be angry because they have SO much to do before the series ends. In SGA there is no really big mystery or really big issues to end. So these kind of events are fine with me! Carry on!

DutchGirl
November 22nd, 2008, 04:27 PM
For the entertainment value and ability to mock the entire episode, this was great. The McKeller bits I severely disliked, but some of the other bits were great.

Liked the opening bit with Sheppard and Ronon. They should have shown a scene of them surfing and camping. Especially the surfing, that would have been HOT.

Bit on the plane. Cringeworthy. First date and she's already trying to change him to be more humble. Humble!Rodney just would not be Rodney anymore and is painful to watch.

Keller, your dress sucks and makes you look fat. And cocktaildress plus boots? Very wrong combination. Even I can tell that, and I have zero dress sense. Your top moment in the ep? When you managed to talk that guy into getting you to a phone. She was sorta okay in that moment, because that was a helpful and useful thing to do.

Malcom Tunney. Much love for him. He's a idea-stealing weasel but my god, he sounded and acted like a Mckay clone right done the panicking. Which I found so very amusing.

Most amusing part of the episode, the room full of scientists arguing over all the white boards. And Keller's gobsmacked expression at watching that, teehee. I can't help but think if Sheppard were there, he would have found it amusing too. The part where she interrupted and berated them like little children and they all just took it was another very cringeworthy moment though.

And of course my other favourite bit was when Tunney was panicking and he got slapped by Bill Nye. Totally made of win. And wow, I found that was such a parallel to Mckay and Sheppard. As Sheppard always makes Mckay snap out of his panicking moments.

Right now I am focusing on the very few good bits. Because if I start focusing on all the things that utterly wrong, and the scary images and thoughts that very last scene evokes the whole episide is just depressing and made of drivel.

Amalthea
November 22nd, 2008, 04:33 PM
I liked this episode- it was fun! It was only a matter of time that some opportunistic person stole some of the classified work that McKay or any of the others have worked on, especially now that there are so many other governments and organizations involved. Disaster was inevitable.

I also like Rodney with Keller. I have always felt that Rodney is a deeper guy than he presents and it's nice that Jennifer brought it out of him. Character development and all that good stuff.

The guest appearances were great! How can you resist Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson? I enjoy it when they tie it into reality like that.

I do not understand the negativity surrounding Jen and Rod jumping each other on the plane. They at least have known one another for a while, how many times has Shep jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes? If people are against all "jumping" then that's one thing, but I am not a fan of double standards.

Cautious Explorer
November 22nd, 2008, 04:39 PM
I do not understand the negativity surrounding Jen and Rod jumping each other on the plane. They at least have known one another for a while, how many times has Shep jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes? If people are against all "jumping" then that's one thing, but I am not a fan of double standards.

Actually, I think I missed that episode. Please enlighten me. When exactly did Sheppard jump a woman he'd known for 5 minutes? :confused:

I have a hunch you're a bigger fan of double standards than you think. What's good for McKay isn't necessarily good for anyone else?

CazzBlade
November 22nd, 2008, 04:42 PM
Actually, I think I missed that episode. Please enlighten me. When exactly did Sheppard jump a woman he'd known for 5 minutes? :confused:

I have a hunch you're a bigger fan of double standards than you think. What's good for McKay isn't necessarily good for anyone else?

I would also like to know the answer to that question? I'm racking my brain to try and think of any episode where this has happened but I am coming up short. Always thought I had a good long term memory :S

Ncc-72452
November 22nd, 2008, 04:42 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about the age difference between David Hewlett and Jewel Staite. David is 14 years older than Jewel but Richard Dean Anderson is 15 years older than Amanda Tapping.

Perhaps because I just got Firefly on Blu-ray and I see little Kaylee with her room decorated with flowers and Christmas lights. Then I see Rodney McKay hitting on Carter in SG-1 while they were both in their mid-thirties at approximately the same time.

It just seems wrong to me somehow... I don't know if that makes ANY sense.

JasonG
November 22nd, 2008, 04:42 PM
I liked this episode- it was fun! It was only a matter of time that some opportunistic person stole some of the classified work that McKay or any of the others have worked on, especially now that there are so many other governments and organizations involved. Disaster was inevitable.

I also like Rodney with Keller. I have always felt that Rodney is a deeper guy than he presents and it's nice that Jennifer brought it out of him. Character development and all that good stuff.

The guest appearances were great! How can you resist Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson? I enjoy it when they tie it into reality like that.

I do not understand the negativity surrounding Jen and Rod jumping each other on the plane. They at least have known one another for a while, how many times has Shep jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes? If people are against all "jumping" then that's one thing, but I am not a fan of double standards.

How many times has Shep "jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes?"

Um...NONE Amalthea. But please, tell us the ep so we can go and re-watch, please. I agree. I think I missed this one. Or maybe you're confusing Atlantis with another show? :confused:

Showfan
November 22nd, 2008, 04:44 PM
I liked this episode- it was fun! It was only a matter of time that some opportunistic person stole some of the classified work that McKay or any of the others have worked on, especially now that there are so many other governments and organizations involved. Disaster was inevitable.

I do not understand the negativity surrounding Jen and Rod jumping each other on the plane. They at least have known one another for a while, how many times has Shep jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes? If people are against all "jumping" then that's one thing, but I am not a fan of double standards.

Oh not this nonsense again!

How many times? How about never????

Shep - no sex since season 2. Mckay - continuous scoring since season 2.

Can we put this to rest now please???

:teyla::ronan::sheppard::mckay:

EvenstarSRV
November 22nd, 2008, 05:16 PM
A family member just watched my recording of this episode and said (having to edit out some, er, language)

"What a **** cheap door!" Yes, for a secure facility, they have a cheap wooden door. At least he didn't do a Jack Nicholson impression...
Sorry, no such thing as 'hypothermic shock.'
THe CPR was totally wrong.
The hypothermia scene was ALL wrong.
"What? No dry clothes!" comes the cry when the plane scene began

I agree it's not the most accurate term, but you can go into shock from immersion hypothermia. In late stage hypothermia the blood pressure starts to fall causing a decrease in tissue perfusion, or hypovolemic shock.

McKay's emergency care was quite wrong, but thinking on it now, I can shrug it off since McKay isn't a medic and probably thought learning that first aid stuff was beneath his intelligence. :rolleyes:



Best scene: When Nye slapped Tunny.

That was funny, I enjoyed all of Nye's and Tyson's scenes.

prion
November 22nd, 2008, 05:20 PM
I'm curious, in tv shows, is it required for the two people who are in luv to shack up. Can't they get married first? Does anyone have any will power?

No, on TV they don't care about that.


How many times has Shep "jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes?"


Shep has never 'jumped' on a girl he knew for 5 minutes. He was in the time dilation for six MONTHS in "Epiphany" before Teer made the moves on him. His 'kirking' has been greatly exaggerated by some fans.

In fact, McKay has gotten 'more' romance than Sheppard.

prion
November 22nd, 2008, 05:27 PM
I agree it's not the most accurate term, but you can go into shock from immersion hypothermia. In late stage hypothermia the blood pressure starts to fall causing a decrease in tissue perfusion, or hypovolemic shock.

McKay's emergency care was quite wrong, but thinking on it now, I can shrug it off since McKay isn't a medic and probably thought learning that first aid stuff was beneath his intelligence. :rolleyes:

That was funny, I enjoyed all of Nye's and Tyson's scenes.

Oh, don't disagree that yes, you can go into shock from hypothermia, but the writers obviously have NO knowledge of any kind of medicine. Geez, watch a HOUSE episode at least. Yeah, McKay probably knows squat about medicine, but if Keller's so bad off, no shivering, no altered mental state? bad writing. No excuse, sorry. The writers could easily just google it.

Giantevilhead
November 22nd, 2008, 05:28 PM
I can only speak for myself, but I think the difference between 20's and 40's is quite a bit bigger than (I have no idea how old Amanda is, but isn't RDA in his 50's?) so I'll say 40's and 50's . It's a maturity thing I guess. Life experience and all that.

I would argue that Keller is way more mature than Rodney. Keller is supposed to be one of the smartest persons on earth.


Perhaps because I just got Firefly on Blu-ray and I see little Kaylee with her room decorated with flowers and Christmas lights. Then I see Rodney McKay hitting on Carter in SG-1 while they were both in their mid-thirties at approximately the same time.

It just seems wrong to me somehow... I don't know if that makes ANY sense.


Yeah but Sam/Jack doesn't look like Uncle/Niece like Rodney/Keller :S It just looks......Weird between them!

That's a bit shallow isn't it?

JasonG
November 22nd, 2008, 05:30 PM
No, on TV they don't care about that.



Shep has never 'jumped' on a girl he knew for 5 minutes. He was in the time dilation for six MONTHS in "Epiphany" before Teer made the moves on him. His 'kirking' has been greatly exaggerated by some fans.

In fact, McKay has gotten 'more' romance than Sheppard.

Yeah, I agree. with that. I was answering a post made by Almathea above.

Poor misunderstood Shep. :sheppard:

gottaluvit
November 22nd, 2008, 05:39 PM
I'm fairly new to the Stargate world, so maybe I haven't had time to develope the 'Keller hate' I see on various message boards. I do find her a little irritating, but some of that is because I much preferred Carson as the team doctor and I'm still peeved they killed him off. I also don't think the actress is as convincing as the other actors in the show.

However, I didn't find this episode to be anywhere near as bad as some fans seemed to think it would be. I found it...unremarkable...but not bad. Just the type of episode I'd consider a filler and not really be bothered to watch again, but I certainly didn't hate it as much as others seem to.

gottaluvit
November 22nd, 2008, 05:45 PM
They at least have known one another for a while, how many times has Shep jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes? If people are against all "jumping" then that's one thing, but I am not a fan of double standards.

Wow, I have the seasons 1 to 4 DVD's and have watched them over and over but apparently I've missed a bunch of episodes. Please tell me what episodes John 'jumped' girls within the first five minutes? I'd really love to see them.

piratesblade
November 22nd, 2008, 05:45 PM
That brain storm episode was so lame. Global warming my backside on a cold winter day. Who ever wrote it should be tossed into a gate vortex and vaporized. They could have wrote about some other catastrophe other than global warming to get Rodney and the Doctor together.

Amalthea
November 22nd, 2008, 05:46 PM
Actually, I think I missed that episode. Please enlighten me. When exactly did Sheppard jump a woman he'd known for 5 minutes? :confused:

I have a hunch you're a bigger fan of double standards than you think. What's good for McKay isn't necessarily good for anyone else?


How many times has Shep "jumped on a girl that he knew for 5 minutes?"

Um...NONE Amalthea. But please, tell us the ep so we can go and re-watch, please. I agree. I think I missed this one. Or maybe you're confusing Atlantis with another show? :confused:

Holy hostility batman!

First, I don't mind any character jumping any other character, regular or guest. It's part of the story. My objection is to people who object to just to this particular ship just because it's McKay. I don't think that's fair if the others get to be in relationships without the pile of hate falling down on them.

Second, 5 minutes=hyperbole. In my opinion, Shep has, or has blatantly wanted to partake of Pegasus women many times. This, to me is considered an important character trait since it got him into temporary trouble when he met Larrin. Would she have distracted McKay or the other fellows? Probably. My only point was that it seems to me that when others do it, it's taken in good humour, but with Rodney, there is a lot of hostility.

All I'm saying is I don't get it, and that's it.

Ncc-72452
November 22nd, 2008, 05:50 PM
That's a bit shallow isn't it?

Uh...

Maybe it's a bit shallow. I guess I keep seeing Jewel Stait as Kaylee, a young teenage girl, and McKay as a middle-aged scientist/professor. It kinda creeps me out. I can offer no defense. It's just how I feel when I see them together.

Jewel Stait and I are almost the same age, and I have a hard time picturing myself with someone who is 40. 20? You betcha. 30? Sure. 35? Okay. 40? Not really. Even at 20 I'd be a little leary because she would be the same age as my "baby" brother.

Perhaps judging by age is shallow and wrong, and if so, I can only offer my apologies. :o

ykickamoocow
November 22nd, 2008, 05:53 PM
Uh...

Maybe it's a bit shallow. I guess I keep seeing Jewel Stait as Kaylee, a young teenage girl, and McKay as a middle-aged scientist/professor. It kinda creeps me out. I can offer no defense. It's just how I feel when I see them together.

Jewel Stait and I are almost the same age, and I have a hard time picturing myself with someone who is 40. 20? You betcha. 30? Sure. 35? Okay. 40? Not really. Even at 20 I'd be a little leary because she would be the same age as my "baby" brother.

Perhaps judging by age is shallow and wrong, and if so, I can only offer my apologies. :o

My Aunt was married for 30 years to a man who was 17 years older than her and she didnt have a problem with it at all.

gottaluvit
November 22nd, 2008, 06:10 PM
Holy hostility batman!

First, I don't mind any character jumping any other character, regular or guest. It's part of the story. My objection is to people who object to just to this particular ship just because it's McKay. I don't think that's fair if the others get to be in relationships without the pile of hate falling down on them.

Second, 5 minutes=hyperbole. In my opinion, Shep has, or has blatantly wanted to partake of Pegasus women many times. This, to me is considered an important character trait since it got him into temporary trouble when he met Larrin. Would she have distracted McKay or the other fellows? Probably. My only point was that it seems to me that when others do it, it's taken in good humour, but with Rodney, there is a lot of hostility.

All I'm saying is I don't get it, and that's it.

I honestly have never seen Shep 'blatantly' partaking or shown as lusting after Pegusus women. I have seen what you are referring to with Larrin, but I'd consider that reaction far less the 'partaking'. Flirtatious maybe, but nothing more, and certainly nothing like 'jumping' her. He's obviously attracted to her, but I've yet to see him 'partake' of her. LOL

I, like you, see nothing wrong with Mckay and Keller. It didn't come out of the blue, it took some time to develop and, although I'm not a fan of that pairing at all, I simply don't beleive it was as 'forced' as other have said. We've all known for a number of episodes that they were leading to this. No big deal really, the same senario happens in just about every show. But I don't think using the 'Shep is man-ho' (for want of a better discription) argument really works to give a reason for rebuking the argument about Keller and McKay because, apart from mild flirting that is no more or less what most single men do, he simply doesn't bed as many women as some wish to think he does.

Cautious Explorer
November 22nd, 2008, 06:24 PM
Holy hostility batman!

First, I don't mind any character jumping any other character, regular or guest. It's part of the story. My objection is to people who object to just to this particular ship just because it's McKay. I don't think that's fair if the others get to be in relationships without the pile of hate falling down on them.

McKay is not one of my favorite characters. I like him fine with the team, but he bores me to tears on his own. I'm not at all interested in Keller either, so the two of them together are totally irritating to me.

As far as the others having relationships. That just doesn't happen. Sheppard gets to flirt now and then. Teyla has the invisible Kanaan. Ronon had a fleeting moment of interest in Keller. McKay gets an ongoing relationship with Katie Brown (that thankfully was kept mostly to the background) followed by a front stage season-long romance with Keller. It's overkill for me.


Second, 5 minutes=hyperbole. In my opinion, Shep has, or has blatantly wanted to partake of Pegasus women many times. This, to me is considered an important character trait since it got him into temporary trouble when he met Larrin. Would she have distracted McKay or the other fellows? Probably. My only point was that it seems to me that when others do it, it's taken in good humour, but with Rodney, there is a lot of hostility.

All I'm saying is I don't get it, and that's it.

I'm sick to death of the Sheppard as Kirk comments. Sheppard flirts now and then. Carson flirted and dated Cadman. McKay pants after nearly every female he meets. IMO it's a double standard to label Sheppard as worse than any of the others.

Ruffles
November 22nd, 2008, 06:26 PM
A family member just watched my recording of this episode and said (having to edit out some, er, language)

"What a **** cheap door!" Yes, for a secure facility, they have a cheap wooden door. At least he didn't do a Jack Nicholson impression...
Sorry, no such thing as 'hypothermic shock.'
THe CPR was totally wrong.
The hypothermia scene was ALL wrong.
"What? No dry clothes!" comes the cry when the plane scene began

Best scene: When Nye slapped Tunny.

You know, I thought the same thing. Then I thought "What dry clothes?" They weren't in a convention at a hotel. All of the guests had been flown in to a facility in the middle of the desert. They didn't have overnight bags with them because they weren't spending the night. They were there for the presentation. I don't think they had anything to change into.


I honestly have never seen Shep 'blatantly' partaking or shown as lusting after Pegusus women. I have seen what you are referring to with Larrin, but I'd consider that reaction far less the 'partaking'. Flirtatious maybe, but nothing more, and certainly nothing like 'jumping' her. He's obviously attracted to her, but I've yet to see him 'partake' of her. LOL

I, like you, see nothing wrong with Mckay and Keller. It didn't come out of the blue, it took some time to develop and, although I'm not a fan of that pairing at all, I simply don't beleive it was as 'forced' as other have said. We've all known for a number of episodes that they were leading to this. No big deal really, the same senario happens in just about every show. But I don't think using the 'Shep is man-ho' (for want of a better discription) argument really works to give a reason for rebuking the argument about Keller and McKay because, apart from mild flirting that is no more or less what most single men do, he simply doesn't bed as many women as some wish to think he does.

Well said.

Ncc-72452
November 22nd, 2008, 06:29 PM
My Aunt was married for 30 years to a man who was 17 years older than her and she didnt have a problem with it at all.

Again, I can only offer my apologies...

It just creeps me out to think that when Keller was born, McKay was fourteen. Then, put them next to each other and imagine that in 26 years, they're going to be members of the mile high club... together... Creepy...

Sorry...

Apparently it doesn't bother other people. To each his own...

ykickamoocow
November 22nd, 2008, 06:30 PM
I'm sick to death of the Sheppard as Kirk comments. Sheppard flirts now and then. Carson flirted and dated Cadman. McKay pants after nearly every female he meets. IMO it's a double standard to label Sheppard as worse than any of the others.

McKay never flirted with Teyla or Weir. Sheppard is also the one who flirts with almost every single female he meets offworld. Hell he even tried flirting with Mckay's sister the first time they met.

Ncc-72452
November 22nd, 2008, 06:35 PM
McKay never flirted with Teyla or Weir. Sheppard is also the one who flirts with almost every single female he meets offworld. Hell he even tried flirting with Mckay's sister the first time they met.

Actually, he did flirt with Weir in "Tao of Rodney."

Cautious Explorer
November 22nd, 2008, 06:40 PM
McKay never flirted with Teyla or Weir. Sheppard is also the one who flirts with almost every single female he meets offworld. Hell he even tried flirting with Mckay's sister the first time they met.


Actually, he did flirt with Weir in "Tao of Rodney."

And he commented to Carson in Rising that he wished he could make friends like that (referring to Teyla).

Sheppard didn't flirt with Jeannie at all. McKay was being paranoid.

I guess it's okay to eye the women or make clumsy attempts at flirting like McKay -- it's just wrong if you don't stink at it?

gottaluvit
November 22nd, 2008, 06:56 PM
I think mild flirting is a mainstay of most male female relationships/interractions. At least I've found it to be so. But flirting does not equal sex. Men and women flirt harmlessly all the time, it doesn't mean to intend to bed each other. I have male freinds, we joke and flirt but there's no sexual intent whatsoever. Two men can jest with each other, laugh and wink over a joke, or express concern over their wellbeing etc and they are just considered to be being 'pals', have the same interraction between a man and a women and I'll wager it's considered flirting more often then not. I think some folks read more into things then its necessary to.

I see Shep as a compassionate and fun loving kind of guy. He also takes his responsibilities quite seriously. I don't see him as a womanizer at all. A trifle flirtatious at times but there are scenes were he hugs Tayla, he certainly doesn't seem to be comfortable in such close physical contact with her which he would be if all he'd wanted to do was to bed her the whole time. I think Rodneys very much the same when it comes to taking responsibilities seriously. I don't beleive either of them are men who take to 'jumping' every woman they meet as a standard.

EdenSG
November 22nd, 2008, 06:57 PM
I didn’t love it, I didn’t hate it.

I enjoyed it for about the first 20-25 minutes until Dave Foley’s character went from a power hungry, egotistical scientist to a scared, “you’re smarter than me” wimp. At this point the character lost all credibility and context for me and the already clichéd characters and plot sank deeper into predictability and dullness.

I did enjoy the scenes with Bill Nye, I thought he did real well and he had some great lines that he delivered well. Loved it when he hit Dave Foley.

I did like the way they were able to bring back the bridge. A nice tie to previous SGA episodes.

I am not a shipper but I did think some of the McKay/Keller scenes were cute – but almost too cute at times.

For the most part I liked Keller and JS did a good job, I did not like the scene where she “lectured” the group about the need to work together. I thought it came across as a tad bit condescending and it reminded me of a mother scolding a naughty child.

I didn’t like the scene where McKay saved Keller. I did not get any real sense of danger or urgency; the axing the door and CPR scenes were just too pat, too simple and too easy. There was little to no tension or drama. Though I think Rodney choosing to save her over staying and seeing thru his plan to “save the day” showed that he cares for Keller a lot more than getting the credit – at least at that moment. That is always a nice side of Rodney to see.

The ice lightening was cool. They should have played that up a bit more.

Loved the scene in the beginning with Ronon and Sheppard; it was a short but interesting and fun scene.

Not the worst episode ever, some of it was fun and enjoyable; for the most part it was just underwhelming.

EvenstarSRV
November 22nd, 2008, 06:58 PM
Oh, don't disagree that yes, you can go into shock from hypothermia, but the writers obviously have NO knowledge of any kind of medicine. Geez, watch a HOUSE episode at least. Yeah, McKay probably knows squat about medicine, but if Keller's so bad off, no shivering, no altered mental state? bad writing. No excuse, sorry. The writers could easily just google it.

Heh, I wouldn't rely on House for accurate medicine, they get quite creative there. In late stage hypothermia you do stop shivering since your body stops being able to compensate for the dropping body temperature. And I guess you could chalk up Keller kissing McKay to altered mental status, if you're so inclined. ;) :)

I can usually overlook stuff like this if I'm invested in the stories and characters of an episode, but I just wasn't this time so the nitpicks stand out more. :(

Replicator Fifth
November 22nd, 2008, 07:08 PM
Cliche Plus Yuck equals "ew"
"ew" equals recent Stargate episodes
I expect more creative plot lines from them

gottaluvit
November 22nd, 2008, 07:14 PM
Folks keep mentioning 'Bill Nye'. Who is he? Is he a character or an actor? (apologises for ignorance)

jelgate
November 22nd, 2008, 07:15 PM
Folks keep mentioning 'Bill Nye'. Who is he? Is he a character or an actor? (apologises for ignorance):eek:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye

gottaluvit
November 22nd, 2008, 07:19 PM
:eek:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye

Thank you.

nlgatefan
November 22nd, 2008, 07:26 PM
Overall, I thought the episode was fine -- Keller is a much better match for McKay than Katie Brown ever was, or ever could be; yes, she's quite a bit younger than he, but she clearly has no delusions about just who Rodney is, and, like his team, likes being with him anyway. And, like her or not, she may well be the only person on Atlantis who understands Rodney because her intelligence made her an outsider too -- after all, for her to be in her position at her age, she must have skipped a few grades, and/or graduated from college and medical school way younger than the norm -- which we've been led to believe is pretty much the same path that Rodney followed himself in getting his multiple degrees.

I liked that Jennifer tried to persuade Rodney to behave, admittedly with mixed results, but she isn't afraid to take him to task for some of his behavior, and she does seem to be able to make him relax a bit and just enjoy...

I found the scene near the end where Rodney finallly found Jen and resuscitated her was touching -- the other side of McKay's declaration to Keller in The Shrine, as Pandora's Box mentioned, but it also reminded me a little of Rodney's agony over Keller in The Last Man. I realize that Rodney wouldn't know this, as this reality was changed when Sheppard returned to Atlantis, but it shows that perhaps Rodney and Jennifer are somehow destined to be together, at least for awhile -- I only hope that if they're not meant to stay together, their parting doesn't entail fatalities.

Overall, unless you really don't care for the McKay character, or are violently opposed to a canon ship, this was a fun episode -- classisc McKay snark, our guy comes up with the idea that saves the day, and -- yay! the Geek gets the Girl! And the icing on the cake -- Hewlett in a tux -- definitely thunk-worthy!

Petra
November 22nd, 2008, 07:27 PM
An okaish episode, but McKeller really pissed me off, not because I don't like this ship (I'm mildly sympathetic to it), but how come they get in 1 year what Sam/Jack shippers are still waiting after 12 years! :mad:
P.S. Where was Sam? She should have at least been mentioned :mckay: I wish Sam were here instead of this bozo...

Exactly, that was my first reaction. Where the heck was Sam?! Obviously she couldn't be there cos she would have solved the problem in no time and then we wouldn't have the episode :P :D, but still, some explanation would have been nice..

I watch SGA every week, but I'm not really a fan and I think it's my first time in this section of the forum. I have to say I'm a bit surprised by how strongly people react to McKeller ship (although I shouldn't be after all those years of S/J shipping). My point is, from my not-a-fan POV ship in this ep was handled really well till the CPR scene where it unfortunately became overly cliched and over-the-top; a B-movie scene at best. But up till then McKay and Keller were really cute, and as I don't ship for anyone on SGA I'm quite happy for them. :) And it's always nice to see at least a hint of sex in SG universe. ;)

Generally speaking I liked this episode, despite its many flaws. It simply had a charm. :) That being said, I would have deleted the whole CPR scene (apart from the badly done ship the medical part was so screwed up that it threw me right off the scene - and I don't usually care about such things) and the SGC scene (others already explained why) and found some nice shoes for Jennifer :P
Still, "Brain storm" is not nearly as bad as some make it out to be, it's just slightly different.

PS> sorry for being off-topic, but several posters here mentioned that it's been confirmed that S/J are not together post-season 8. Where do you get this? I don't mean to be rude, just curious/astonished ;)

EdenSG
November 22nd, 2008, 07:36 PM
Could someone explain me why was McKay performing CPR at an hypothermia victim?




In general, SG does make a lot of mistakes in how they write and film medical procedures. In this case the CPR wasn’t wrong – but it probably was not enough to bring her back alone. She needed to be warmed. A person who is severely hypothermic can mimic being dead and survive for longer periods of time. If they are in cardiac arrest, have a severe bradycardia (slow heart rate) or if you are not sure they have a pulse you should start CPR. We actually have a rule in the ED – you don’t pronounce a person dead until you get them back to room temperature, otherwise they may just surprise you.


From The American Heart Assoc.

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/112/24_suppl/IV-136

“If the hypothermic victim is in cardiac arrest, the general approach to BLS management should still target airway, breathing, and circulation but with some modifications in approach. When the victim is hypothermic, pulse and respiratory rates may be slow or difficult to detect. For these reasons the BLS healthcare provider should assess breathing and later assess the pulse for a period of 30 to 45 seconds to confirm respiratory arrest, pulseless cardiac arrest, or bradycardia that is profound enough to require CPR.10 If the victim is not breathing, start rescue breathing immediately. If possible, administer warmed (42°C to 46°C [108°F to 115°F]) humidified oxygen during bag-mask ventilation. If the victim is pulseless with no detectable signs of circulation, start chest compressions immediately. If there is any doubt about whether a pulse is present, begin compressions.”

Willow'sCat
November 22nd, 2008, 07:50 PM
Sorry, but he had a leading lady that he had great chemistry with and they killed her. It had to be said.Sorry but I never in a million years could see them as a couple.... There was NO chemistry IMHO and to me their interaction were more about a Mother and Son. ;) It has to be said. :cool:

But lets not go there she is dead and I am still happy John is not into necrophilia. :):D

Dave Foley is one of my fave actors. David Hewlett is one of my fave actors. Jewel Staite is one of my fave actors. Martin Gero is my fave writer for SGA! :)

This is my least fave episode of SGA or Stargate full stop. :(

I do hate shipping, I just hate hetero anything these days so I will never see this pairing as working.

I just hope Joe M and Paul M are using this to build up to the ending.... where Keller ends up like she did in Last Man. I hope that is where this is all heading or else I will not be watching the movie. Not even sure now I want to watch next weeks ep.

OMG back to the days of Weir and fast forwarding. :rolleyes: It could have been so much better, like a b plot with Ronon and John. Even if Ronon makes me want to hit something.

Where was Teyla? :S Hmm, yeah Joe M and Paul M are not going so well with keeping a TEAM feel to the show, funny as they did actually try harder in season 4 with the little sitting and eating moments, but now they include Keller and Woolsey and anyone who happens along.

Just bad for a show ( a franchise) that was built on the four TEAM members.

ykickamoocow
November 22nd, 2008, 07:57 PM
I do hate shipping, I just hate hetero anything these days so I will never see this pairing as working.


You do know that hetero as you call it is ALOT more common than homosexual relationships?

Agent_Dark
November 22nd, 2008, 08:01 PM
Exactly, that was my first reaction. Where the heck was Sam?! Obviously she couldn't be there cos she would have solved the problem in no time and then we wouldn't have the episode :P :D, but still, some explanation would have been nice..
why would they invite Carter, a USAF Colonel, when they didn't want any involvement of the government/military because they knew they would most likely get shut down?

Willow'sCat
November 22nd, 2008, 08:23 PM
You do know that hetero as you call it is ALOT more common than homosexual relationships?Really? As a hetero female that never even occurred to me. :rolleyes:

My point is that we have had many, many hetero moments in Stargate but I can't even recall one moment *other then 200 :p* where Stargate has acknowledge that homosexuality even exists. Even JAG managed one ep, OK it was a negative ep in some ways but they managed to mention it! :cool:

Star Trek does it, even a kids show like Doctor Who does it!

Anyway I miss spoke, I did like the CSI hetero ship.... but no one else seems to. :p

Skydiver
November 22nd, 2008, 08:34 PM
'you're not dead until you're warm and dead'

and my comment about the wet clothes....what i mean is, someone hit a walmart and get them something dry. emergency services had to be all over that place, (cause, you know, 3 huge honkin twisters in the middle of hte desert WILL be noticed), so how did they get on the plane so fast that jen's hair was still wet? If her hair didn't have time to dry, her clothes sure as heck didn't.

just more clumsy writing.

Gate gal
November 22nd, 2008, 09:44 PM
Personally, I loved this episode. Of course, the whole time I was watching it I thought about how much friction it was going to cause here on the boards. There is really no denying that this ship is cannon, and that was a pretty bold move (like it or don't) from the writers that we really haven't seen before. (I really hope we get to see it again in the next SG-1 movie.)

I didn't really think the mile high comment was necessary, but it didn't bother me either. My two ten year olds were in the room, and they didn't get the reference so no worries.

Rodney was my least favorite character at the start of SGA (primarily because of his treatment of Sam on SG1 guest appearances), but now he is one of my favorites. We've seen real growth from him over the past five years, and the way he left the other scientists to solve the problem while he went to play hero was just major proof of that. I love that he was going after the woman he loved, but even if she had been a stranger I think he would have gone, axe in hand, to save her. Old Rodney was way too interested in self preservation. I love the way he has grown into an intergalactic superhero.

waterstiller
November 22nd, 2008, 10:13 PM
My problem with this episode is that it was full of cliches:
-Global warming is when everything gets hotter and hotter and after that Earth will become like Venus
-Solution build something that cools down and moves the heat in the alternate Universe :D (Why not using the space last I heard it is very cold there and it is very big :D )
-After that the good guy gets accused :D for all the mess
-the good guy shouts "wolf"(I mean the whole "you stole my idea" "i researced this before" stuff) too many times so when the claim is real nobody believes him
-But the good guy is vindicated:
-Gets the recognition of the people
-Saves the girl
-Gets the girl
-You sould perform CPR on every pacient which it seems not breathing
:D
-People saved always get a blanket (in many films with fires or other problems you can see people saved with blanket on them I think in cliche language it means "you are saved nothing bad can happen to you" i should carry a blanket with me just to be safe :D)
-if we work toghether we solve all the problems
-every people has to do his own bit to solve the global warming issue (not only cliche but pure propanganda- i think film makers are required to put a reference to that problem in every TV series :D)
It is a post with : "What did you learn from Stargate series" it was a long list but this episode almost doubles it :D
I think the main aim of the episode was: McKay gets Keller.
Because wasn't any believeable way to do it on Atlantis in the presence of the Atlantis team so they isolated them on earth between scientists (no attractive young people present :D ) and creates a situation where only science can save you and lastly the girl gets in a life threatening situation (you notice that she was the only one :D) and it is saved. SOOOO in conclusion McKay gets Keller. It was easy wasn't it?

Repli!kat
November 22nd, 2008, 10:21 PM
SOOOO in conclusion McKay gets Keller. It was easy wasn't it?
So was Keller ;)