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November 7th, 2008, 12:11 PM
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While being evaluated by the I.O.A. Richard Woolsey meets a beautiful scientist new to Atlantis, who is not what she appears. Sheppard is captured and tortured by an enemy he thought was dead.

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Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
November 14th, 2008, 07:10 PM
As soon as Sheppard's hand came off, I knew it was a dream, because the powers that be do not have the balls to do permanent damage to any of their leads.

The whole episode should have been about Sheppard. Cut the I.O.A. subplot and the "political intrigue" angle, leave the pure science fiction and the angsty Shep-plot, and it would have been pure gold.

This could have been so much better...

PenguinFF
November 14th, 2008, 07:10 PM
It really had me going!!

Vala_M
November 14th, 2008, 07:11 PM
That was the most complicated episode ever written!

Vala,

jenks
November 14th, 2008, 07:11 PM
Great episode. I think they made a mistake by not retrieving the data though, there was no civilization to be saved, only the potential for one, and I get the feeling the writers have misunderstood evolution theory, again. My one complaint would be the alien, if you're going to spend funk knows how much money on CG for it then don't waste it by just creating a humanoid one, it's pointless.

any_gopher
November 14th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Fantastic episode! Season five has been a bit sub-par, but survivable, however the past two episodes have been fantastic!!

Rine
November 14th, 2008, 07:13 PM
I liked the episode...there were some weak points, but it was interesting and of course, the ending was very good. It was fun trying to guess what was real and what was not.

Briangate78
November 14th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Excellent well written episode. I loved the whole twist at the end. I loved how all 3 stories merged together at the end.

Shipperahoy
November 14th, 2008, 07:17 PM
I actually didn't care for this one at all upon first viewing. Gut reaction is "blah". Maybe if I watch it again it will do something for me but as of right now it's one of my least favorite of the season. It was convoluted and, frankly, kind of boring. While it was interesting to see the tables turned on Woolsey and him to be the one in the hotseat getting raked over the coals for not following protocols the whole thing seemed kind of tired and done already. I and I'm thinking most everybody else figured out, or at least had a good idea, that Kolya wasn't Kolya pretty quickly. Also am I the only one that found the whole Kolya hallucination scenario and the exlpanation behind it just plain wierd and unecessary? I mean, is that the only way they could communicate with him? Oh, I know, supposedly Sheppard had a hand in his own hallucinations but still.

I don't know...I don't really know how exactly to put it in to words yet, I'm still digesting.

wm_1987
November 14th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I did like the episode, but was a little disappointed with the Sheppard story. Don't get me wrong I love his character, my favorite. But from Mallozzi's blog I though we would learn more about what drove him, learn more about him. But the two or three options that were given about his "back story" was pretty much a given. I mean I think we all figured he took all deaths as a failure on his part, he has a death wish, or that he was running from something in his past or trying to make up/fix something from his past. That was the only thing that disappointed me, but overall it was a good episode.

prion
November 14th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Overall, a pretty good episode. I noticed some choppy editing (one second, you're in Atlantis, then a few seconds of Sheppard, then back to Atlantis). Just a bit too quick.

All the stories tied in nicely and cuz I hadn't read all spoilers, the inclusion of Zelenka as not real was a pleasant surprise. Still would have preferred a lot more on Sheppard's situation (fingers crossed for some good fanfic out of it).

Major_Griff
November 14th, 2008, 07:21 PM
I liked this ep a lot. As soon as they cut Sheppard's hand off I kept thinking that how ever they 'fixed' it at the end was probably going to be lame, but it was pretty cool how it played out. I only figured out that Kolya was a hallucination like 10 seconds before they revealed it, so that was cool. I mainly figured it out because it was close to the end and it none of that really made any sense unless it was going to be a two parter, which I knew it wasn't. Overall, very good ep. 8.5/10

Briangate78
November 14th, 2008, 07:23 PM
When Kolya went to cut off his hand, and it went to a commercial break, I was saying, nah he probably missed. Then when you see it bandaged up, I was like! :eek: I loved the twist at the end how it was a hallucination. Stargate has always been about making new allies and finding new technology. I liked how this ep went back to the Stargate roots.

Orion Antreas
November 14th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Amazing episode. I am actually surprised with Mallozi/Mullie's writing. I knew that all 3 sub-plots would tie together as one. I knew right from the beginning that 'Kolya' was not 'real' and in fact he was either an alien impersonating or an illusion. (Connected with the 'alien laptop' McKay found.)

I loved the ending where the AI tricked the I.O.A representative into that scheme to help Woolsey out. That simply iced the cake. :P

Overall, great episode. I was really surprised.

The alien looked interesting as well as the name itself. The Sacari? I believe that was the name. I am glad that the AI showed an image of the alien species because that also iced the cake. Come to think of it, this episode kind of reminded me of the SG-1 episode, 'Scorched Earth'. This ranged from the AI 'representative' to (I believe Rodney mentioned this.) a 'silicon species' to where the team needs to help this species (Without their knowledge of course.) to continue their mission of seeding. A lot of similarities between the two which I enjoyed.


When Kolya went to cut off his hand, and it went to a commercial break, I was saying, nah he probably missed. Then when you see it bandaged up, I was like! :eek: I loved the twist at the end how it was a hallucination. Stargate has always been about making new allies and finding new technology. I liked how this ep went back to the Stargate roots.

Exactly. This episode really made it feel like a 'classic Stargate' episode.

prion
November 14th, 2008, 07:27 PM
When Kolya went to cut off his hand, and it went to a commercial break, I was saying, nah he probably missed. Then when you see it bandaged up, I was like! :eek: I loved the twist at the end how it was a hallucination. Stargate has always been about making new allies and finding new technology. I liked how this ep went back to the Stargate roots.

actually, there should have been seepage on the bandaged stump, even if they cauterized it.

but anyway, I loved the "Lorne warned me me about you" remark Sheppard made to Parrish, who is now playing Dr. Tesla on Sanctuary...

Sue_Jackson
November 14th, 2008, 07:32 PM
I didn't care for this one. For one....there was very little interactions with the main characters. Even....John and Rodney had very little interactions with each other. Plus....the whole alien entity thing is a bit old.....I think. And.....didn't believe one second that they were gonna replace Woolsey. And......I knew something was up when 'Kolya' 'cut' Sheppard's hand. I mean....there was no way John could've continued on Atlantis....if his hand was cut off. He would've been discharged from Atlantis...if he were that severly crippled. Not to mention.....that he has his left hand in future episodes from promo photos. :rolleyes:

Skydiver
November 14th, 2008, 07:34 PM
i was >< to turning off the set

first itme ever

the illusions dragged on for too long, they wre too confusing and muddled

the end was cool...but 5 minutes isn't enough of a pay off for almost 40 of muddled junk

jenks
November 14th, 2008, 07:35 PM
I actually didn't care for this one at all upon first viewing. Gut reaction is "blah". Maybe if I watch it again it will do something for me but as of right now it's one of my least favorite of the season. It was convoluted and, frankly, kind of boring. While it was interesting to see the tables turned on Woolsey and him to be the one in the hotseat getting raked over the coals for not following protocols the whole thing seemed kind of tired and done already. I and I'm thinking most everybody else figured out, or at least had a good idea, that Kolya wasn't Kolya pretty quickly. Also am I the only one that found the whole Kolya hallucination scenario and the exlpanation behind it just plain wierd and unecessary? I mean, is that the only way they could communicate with him? Oh, I know, supposedly Sheppard had a hand in his own hallucinations but still.

I don't know...I don't really know how exactly to put it in to words yet, I'm still digesting.

Each hallucination served it's own purpose, the Kolya one wasn't supposed to be used to communicate with Sheppard, it was to distract him and stop him pursuing what was in the device.

Pharaoh Atem
November 14th, 2008, 07:37 PM
i was >< to turning off the set



ouch ....first ever.????

wow you really must like Lucius then ;)

Skydiver
November 14th, 2008, 07:38 PM
lucius was pathetically amusing

this was just cringe worthy. to say it was fanfic dialogue brought to life is an insult to fanfic

Jackson Yee
November 14th, 2008, 07:39 PM
It might be sentimentality counting down the remaining episodes, but I thought it was a beautifully done episode. The maturity of Atlantis has always been in the interaction between characters, whether it was Elizabeth, John, or Rodney. It's nice to see them taking advantage of Robert Picardo a bit, although his socially awkward themes does remind me of Voyager's EMH.

The plot for this episode was really nothing new. We've seen disguised aliens with the Re'tu and the red armored aliens on SG-1, not to mention the various stories from The Next Generation or Deep Space Nine. Silicon based life forms are also a staple of science fiction (Anyone remember the Chmmm from Star Control? Good times...) I loved seeing Woolsey play the political game and gaining enough of a backbone to say something back to the IOA which he has served for so long; the fictious Zelenka telling Rodney that he was brilliant, and the ending where Rodney realized that he had been duped as well.

A couple of minor nitpicks:
* You would think that someone would bothered scanning the planet by now for threats or otherwise. (Then again, it did take Rodney two years to fix a Puddle Jumper...)
* The alien probe should have picked up the energy signature from an entire city-ship landing two years ago rather than one little Puddle Jumper two weeks ago.
* Someone should have checked in with John on the mainland. It's not like they even had to dial a gate to communicate.

Otherwise, wonderfully done by the team. Here's looking forward to next week!

Rine
November 14th, 2008, 07:46 PM
but anyway, I loved the "Lorne warned me me about you" remark Sheppard made to Parrish, who is now playing Dr. Tesla on Sanctuary...

So, it WAS Parrish. I thought so. Glad they brought him back...and I'm watching Sanctuary right now...the actor looks good in black, haha. Good for him, to be in new episodes of two shows back to back.

Jumper_One
November 14th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Yep, tomorrow I’ll be posting my post-Remnants write-up. Come on by to find out what the hell I was thinking!
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/november-14-2008-jelly-on-the-mend-and-spinning-stargate-universe-day-4/

StargateHERO
November 14th, 2008, 08:00 PM
When Kolya went to cut off his hand, and it went to a commercial break, I was saying, nah he probably missed. Then when you see it bandaged up, I was like! :eek: I loved the twist at the end how it was a hallucination. Stargate has always been about making new allies and finding new technology. I liked how this ep went back to the Stargate roots.

i actually really liked this episode, and i agree with everything that you said.

dasNdanger
November 14th, 2008, 08:02 PM
I liked the ep okay, but I wish it had continued down the road it was first taking. ;)

das

ladyjanus
November 14th, 2008, 08:07 PM
I hadn't read any spoilers for this ep, but from the trailers I had an idea that it was gonna be some sort of altered reality-heavy story line. So by the time they got to the part where Sheppard was getting all skeevy on the lady biologist I was praying it wasn't real. If it had been real it would have been a seriously crappily-writen ep. But since it wasn't real, and the scenarios came out of the characters heads, the whole Sheppard story-line struck me as intriguing ... and verry, very disturbing...

Skydiver
November 14th, 2008, 08:07 PM
adn the audio is just as frakked up on the second airing

Briangate78
November 14th, 2008, 08:07 PM
I hadn't read any spoilers for this ep, but from the trailers I had an idea that it was gonna be some sort of altered reality-heavy story line. So by the time they got to the part where Sheppard was getting all skeevy on the lady biologist I was praying it wasn't real. If it had been real it would have been a seriously crappily-writen ep. But since it wasn't real, and the scenarios came out of the characters heads, the whole Sheppard story-line struck me as intriguing ... and verry, very disturbing...

It goes to show how dark Sheppard's character is.

General Yogi Bear
November 14th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Good episode. I just wish at the end that the guy on the computer talking to the Chinese lady had said that Dr. Lee will be taking command of Atlantis. :)

Rine
November 14th, 2008, 08:08 PM
I know, SkyDiver, I'm trying to figure out what alerted Sheppard and that chick to Parrish's flower discovery thing...did he yell or something? 'Cause *I* didn't hear anything. :confused:

Vala_M
November 14th, 2008, 08:09 PM
That has to have been the most complex Stargate episode ever written! For the first time, I was totally fooled!

Interesting way it started out. What is with the shorts for the scientists? I don't like that, I hope it was just a one time thing. Kolya? That was weird. I never expected to see him again, I'm just glad that it was an illusion, I'm glad he is really dead.

I should have known someone like that wouldn't have been into Woolsey. Why would the IOA want to appoint the Chinese agent to run Atlantis? Other than because Woolsey didn't follow their rules? Was that some sort of scam?

The whole Kolya beating Sheppard thing was pretty rough. And chopping his hand off! Could you really operate Ancient technology with someone's body part? You'd think it'd have to be alive/connected to the body. If that's really possible, it's a serious design flaw. That calls back to season 1 in "The Defiant One" where the Wraith claimed that he'd use Sheppard's hands to fly the jumper. So is it really possible?

I will admit, I figured something was up when the jumper was shorted out and suddenly, of all people, the Genii were able to restore it, I doubt even McKay could have fixed that without replacement parts. Very odd indeed.

Then, the woman who only Woolsey could see. I liked how he was trying to act like he knew everyone in the control room by name, why did he mess up Chuck's name? What did he call him, Chack or Chick?

I was wondering how she knew so much about Woolsey and about suggesting to him to fight the reassignment instead of just giving in.

What was with the "2 men come here" remark by Kolya? Or was that a way of hinting that everything was odd? And Kolya ending up on a planet that never had a gate before was weird.

Zelenka's insistense at scanning the ocean floor was weird, but I just figured that he wanted to check everything out to be sure. I was thinking that the machine was a bomb the Genii put in the water to blow up Atlantis with, I'm actually quite surprised that it really was a time capsule/seeding machine. It reminded me of the Gad-meer thing from SG-1. Except they were sulphur-based instead of silicone-based.

I enjoyed the Koyla-Sheppard part. I liked seeing Sheppard take out all of those guards. Even though none of it really happened though.

Then, at the end when the chinese IOA woman got fooled with the fake message that they were letting Mr. Coolidge (remember him from "Midway" anyone?) run Atlantis, she gave Woolsey a good review. FUNNY!

So they dropped the device off on another planet, I wonder how that will turn out whether or not we ever get to see them.

Funny how McKay saw the true form of the aliens instead of the Australian woman!

This is the kind of episode that you don't appreciate until after you understand it at the end, very cool!

Vala,

Briangate78
November 14th, 2008, 08:11 PM
To Vala M,

If anyone calls this episode predictable I am going to scream my head off ! :p

the fifth man
November 14th, 2008, 08:22 PM
To Vala M,

If anyone calls this episode predictable I am going to scream my head off ! :p

Yeah, it definitely wasn't predictable. That is for sure. I really liked the episode overall, and was totally fooled for quite a while. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Sheppard lost his hand.

The only characters in this one I knew something was up with were that woman Woolsey was seeing, and Zelenka. I just had a feeling there was more going on with her for some reason. And Zelenka, he was being way too nice to McKay.

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 08:43 PM
I really liked this episode.

Pretty early on I had my suspicions about Conrad. I thought it was odd that Woolsey wouldn't have known about a new addition to Atlantis and when Chen saw him on the balcony with her I realized that he was the only one who could see her.

Kolya, on the other hand, I had no idea was a fake. I was seriously wondering how he and his men got to Atlantis without a gate but I just assumed that would come out later.

And then when they chopped Sheppard's hand off - OUCH! I knew, obviously, it would come back but at the time I was like, okay that machine McKay and Zelenka found can create matter, right? So they're gonna use it to fix his hand! lol

I think Zelenka being fake surprised me the most. I actually rewound Sheppard pointing out the oddity of the timing on all that because I was like, "Wait. What?" That was a nice twist.

Also a nice twist was the trick on Chen. At first I was super disappointed in that because I thought, now what idiot would tell her they weren't giving her the position when they are riding on her outing Woolsey? and then low and behold, it was the AI at work again. Bravo, AI. Don't you know she's gonna be pissed when she figures it out?!

LOL moment - Ronon giving McKay the 'are you dense' look when he asks why
Sheppard offered to overnight on the mainland.

Oh, and a side note, I like dark Sheppard so even though it wasn't quite touched on as much as Malozzi led me to believe, it was nice to see.

SerenaSerenity
November 14th, 2008, 08:56 PM
I know, SkyDiver, I'm trying to figure out what alerted Sheppard and that chick to Parrish's flower discovery thing...did he yell or something? 'Cause *I* didn't hear anything. :confused:

He did shout. I heard it. But for some reason I can't remember what it was. lol It was a really excited shout, and had fooled Sheppard into thinking it was something interesting. lol Well, it would be something that wouldn't really interest him.


Then, the woman who only Woolsey could see. I liked how he was trying to act like he knew everyone in the control room by name, why did he mess up Chuck's name? What did he call him, Chack or Chick?

Funny thing is, I can't remember what the guy shouted, but I can remember what Woolsey called Chuck. lol He called him Chet. Don't know if it's spelled right, but yeah. lol Atleast, that's what I heard him say. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be a first time. lol

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All in all, I loved the episode. I found it totally unpredictable till it got closer to the end. But that's just me. To each their own. I just found the episode really good and enjoyed every minute of it. *nod nod and smiles*

Mav
November 14th, 2008, 09:02 PM
ah the old aliens/tech messing with your head routine

i was actually hoping Sheppard lost his hand, i mean it'd be a total change of pace and kinda makes a little difficult.

felt sorry for Woolsey, guy can't seem to catch a break. the hot chick he likes is a alien tech hallucination, he's losing his job and he's just starting to feel at home on Atlantis :(

Ruffles
November 14th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Remnants has been referred to in hallowed tones in Shep Whumpdom since the first concepts were whispered. We've been waiting anxiously for the whump we heard was coming. While I enjoyed the ep (I really did), let me tell you why this won't be ranking high in the "Best Whumpy Ep" category. Whump is also known as hurt/comfort. Shep was neither hurt (for real) or comforted. Reminiscent of Doppleganger (that ranks for emo whump only when Shep thinks he's killed McKay), it was all in his head.

I knew from last week's previews when Kolya swung that blade that this was either VR or hallucination or AU. I had a tiny bit of hope when Rodney started in about the information the device held (medical breakthroughs), but I had already figured out Zelenka wasn't real ("You're brilliant" and the constant prodding to analyze the data - much like the Zelenka in This Mortal Coil).

They had me going with the girl at the beginning, but once I knew Kolya and Zelenka weren't real, I pegged her as well. I did enjoy the mystery of it though. I love complex plots that make me think.

Kolya was a dead giveaway (not only from the preview) but when he is on the mainland. John doesn't question how Kolya could have gotten there beyond the "How'd you find us?" "Your location isn't secret." When John didn't follow up with "How could you be on the mainland since the Genii don't have ships and the gate is inside Atlantis?" I knew it was a mind game.

What I enjoyed here was the AI interaction with each. The AI needed Woolsey to do the right thing - send the device to a suitable planet. It plays on his loneliness. AI needed Rodney to find the device so it played on his ego. AI needed John distracted so it played on his fears. But their minds conjured up the images and the conversations. Woolsey needed someone to want to spend time with him. Rodney needed to hear he was brilliant. Sheppard needed to be punished.

This is one of those eps that I'm going to have to think on for a while. It wasn't a rousing romp like last week. This is more introspective, a parting of the veil to see who these men are (especially Woolsey and Sheppard). My one complaint was - it wasn't enough. I want more. Tell me why they are that way. Kolya asks John what he's running from. Give me an answer! Explore it more. Don't peek over the edge then walk away.

On a side note, I love the little glimpses into life - social events, orientation, the Apollo dropping off new crew, performance evaluations. Those kinds of things are everywhere in fanon. Love having it validated in canon. I, for one, totally knew Shen was after Woolsey's job. I figured that out in The Seed. And Radek off-world at a diplomatic dinner? (Did I understand that right?) LOVE that.

It was lovely to see Chuck and Banks is rapidly becoming a favorite minor character. Now if Chuck could only get a last name...

SamJackShipper93
November 14th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Ugh, personally I agree with Skydiver. It wasn't my favorite!

First, does anyone know why Teyla's never in the eps anymore? I suppose Rachel would want some time of to spend with her baby, but is there anything more to it? Same with Ronon. Is it a conscious decision made by Jason Momoa, or just a decision by TPTB? Frankly, I really miss full-team eps. We haven't been getting many of them, and next week won't be one either.

I do have to say, the plotline was pretty good, I also didn't think it was really happening after Sheppard after they cut off his hand.

ladyjanus
November 14th, 2008, 09:15 PM
So, overall, I like this ep. Not jumpin' up and down over it, but it was pretty good.

Props to the camera work. The opening and closing scenes out on the balcony were gorgeous!!! Wonderful lighting, warm with lots of color and a sense of really being outdoors early in the morning and late in the day. Beautiful...

I liked the scene where Sheppard's hanging off the cliff face, too. Really good camera work...

Just one thing kept impinging on me - Hewlett sounded kinda - phlegmy - too me. McKay does a lot of sighing, but everytime he did in this ep it came out sounding raggedy and almost purr-like, like he was doing a bad Chewbacca imitation. Ws it just me?

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 09:18 PM
What I enjoyed here was the AI interaction with each. The AI needed Woolsey to do the right thing - send the device to a suitable planet. It plays on his loneliness. AI needed Rodney to find the device so it played on his ego. AI needed John distracted so it played on his fears. But their minds conjured up the images and the conversations. Woolsey needed someone to want to spend time with him. Rodney needed to hear he was brilliant. Sheppard needed to be punished.

This is one of those eps that I'm going to have to think on for a while. It wasn't a rousing romp like last week. This is more introspective, a parting of the veil to see who these men are (especially Woolsey and Sheppard). My one complaint was - it wasn't enough. I want more. Tell me why they are that way. Kolya asks John what he's running from. Give me an answer! Explore it more. Don't peek over the edge then walk away.

On a side note, I love the little glimpses into life - social events, orientation, the Apollo dropping off new crew, performance evaluations. Those kinds of things are everywhere in fanon. Love having it validated in canon. I, for one, totally knew Shen was after Woolsey's job. I figured that out in The Seed. And Radek off-world at a diplomatic dinner? (Did I understand that right?) LOVE that.

It was lovely to see Chuck and Banks is rapidly becoming a favorite minor character. Now if Chuck could only get a last name...

That first paragraph quotes...pure genius and describes the episode PERFECTLY.

I think that the reason 'What are you running from?' wasn't actually answered was because, like you said, it was all a mind game. And John would have already known the answer to that. It would have been odd for him to decide to spill his guts to Kolya of all people.

Speaking of the mind games, the entire time with John and Kolya I was sitting there thinking, Since when did Kolya became a psychiatrist? I could imagine John thinking, 'Quit psycho analyzing me!'

I loved all those little tidbits into daily Lantean life too! Nice to see the small stuff every once in a while....like the cars with Sheppard and McKay last week. Nice!

SamJackShipper93
November 14th, 2008, 09:18 PM
It was lovely to see Chuck and Banks is rapidly becoming a favorite minor character. Now if Chuck could only get a last name...

I think that Chuck/Amelia is rapidly becoming a favorite minor ship of mine! :P

LOL, but seriously, I agree. Nice to see them being used a little more, and I loved Chuck's little remark that "There is no Chet!"

SamJackShipper93
November 14th, 2008, 09:21 PM
ah the old aliens/tech messing with your head routine

i was actually hoping Sheppard lost his hand, i mean it'd be a total change of pace and kinda makes a little difficult.

felt sorry for Woolsey, guy can't seem to catch a break. the hot chick he likes is a alien tech hallucination, he's losing his job and he's just starting to feel at home on Atlantis :(

I was too. In the back of my mind, I knew that they'd never do something like that to one of their main characters, but I'd like to see how something like that would've played out.

jelgate
November 14th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Not great but nor bad.

This episode does reinforce that Woosley can lead circles around Weir and Carter

SerenaSerenity
November 14th, 2008, 09:27 PM
I think that Chuck/Amelia is rapidly becoming a favorite minor ship of mine! :P

LOL, but seriously, I agree. Nice to see them being used a little more, and I loved Chuck's little remark that "There is no Chet!"

I was right, Woolsey did call him Chet. LOL I wasn't sure if it was spelled right, but yeah. Yay. lol

Alteran of Atlantis
November 14th, 2008, 09:49 PM
I though it was a pretty good episode. Not exactly what I expected, it really kept me thinking. Loved the ending and the little help the AI gave Woolsey. Looking forward to the next episode! Until then... *grabs season 3 and runs to the TV*

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 09:53 PM
I though it was a pretty good episode. Not exactly what I expected, it really kept me thinking. Loved the ending and the little help the AI gave Woolsey. Looking forward to the next episode! Until then... *grabs season 3 and runs to the TV*

Any reason Season 3 specifically or just a fave?

Quinn Mallory
November 14th, 2008, 10:11 PM
One of the better standalone episode of SGA in the history of the series, imho. You get the classic Stargate feel with a nice blend of character based tension and action. Even though it was fairly easy to figure out that they were all hallucinating (particularly after that somewhat over the top amputation), I enjoyed the overall pacing of this one.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 14th, 2008, 10:13 PM
It was a good episode. I probably would've liked it more if it didn't follow last week's episode. I liked the Shep/Kolya story best... why is Shep always hanging from a ledge or cliff? lol

jelgate
November 14th, 2008, 10:27 PM
It was a good episode. I probably would've liked it more if it didn't follow last week's episode. I liked the Shep/Kolya story best... why is Shep always hanging from a ledge or cliff? lolBecause without it the Shep whumpers would attack Bridge Studios

Lythisrose
November 14th, 2008, 10:33 PM
adn the audio is just as frakked up on the second airing

When I watched the audio was just fine, perhaps it's a cable company thing?:confused:

Ruffles
November 14th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Because without it the Shep whumpers would attack Bridge Studios

Pfft. Shows you what you know. Variety is the name of the game for us.

jelgate
November 14th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Pfft. Shows you what you know. Variety is the name of the game for us.I'm baffled that whumpers know what variety is:P

Mercury973
November 14th, 2008, 10:56 PM
I am pretty harsh on my reviews of SGA since it's my favorite show. I was simply blown away by this one. I laughed, I was worried, I was concerned. I didn't see the ending coming. I was enthralled. I cheered. Wonderful wonderful episode. PARRISH IS BACK!!!!! Weee! CHUCK IS BACK!!!!
Ok, maybe I'm pretty simple, but I really did love this one.

jelgate
November 14th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I am pretty harsh on my reviews of SGA since it's my favorite show.?* I was simply blown away by this one.?* I laughed, I was worried, I was concerned.?* I didn't see the ending coming.?* I was enthralled. I cheered.?* Wonderful wonderful episode.?*?* PARRISH IS BACK!!!!!?* Weee!?* CHUCK IS BACK!!!! Ok, maybe I'm pretty simple, but I really did love this one.Don't you mean Chet:P

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 11:01 PM
I am pretty harsh on my reviews of SGA since it's my favorite show. I was simply blown away by this one. I laughed, I was worried, I was concerned. I didn't see the ending coming. I was enthralled. I cheered. Wonderful wonderful episode. PARRISH IS BACK!!!!! Weee! CHUCK IS BACK!!!!
Ok, maybe I'm pretty simple, but I really did love this one.


That's funny. I'm just the opposite. Because I love SGA I'm pretty protective of it and when people criticize an episode to death, I just want to say, "Noooo! Stop!" lol

Not that I don't find flaws with the show at all, I don't know - I guess I just like to accept the show as it is for the most part.

Mercury973
November 14th, 2008, 11:04 PM
Don't you mean Chet:P

I loved that! I'll have to have him sign his autograph "Chet" at P4.


That's funny. I'm just the opposite. Because I love SGA I'm pretty protective of it and when people criticize an episode to death, I just want to say, "Noooo! Stop!" lol

Not that I don't find flaws with the show at all, I don't know - I guess I just like to accept the show as it is for the most part.

Besides The Shrine, this is the only S5 episode that I felt like cheering when it was over. Well, and I'm pretty sure next one will be thumbs up from me. Wonder why???

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Besides The Shrine, this is the only S5 episode that I felt like cheering when it was over. Well, and I'm pretty sure next one will be thumbs up from me. Wonder why???

Oh God! The Shrine is the episode that all other Stargate Atlantis episodes bow down to. Pure gold. Loved every single second of that epi.

WickedWater
November 14th, 2008, 11:30 PM
To Vala M,

If anyone calls this episode predictable I am going to scream my head off ! :p

You had to know something was wrong when they bandaged Sheps nub, why would Kolya care if it was bandaged, he wouldn't.

SerenaSerenity
November 14th, 2008, 11:35 PM
You had to know something was wrong when they bandaged Sheps nub, why would Kolya care if it was bandaged, he wouldn't.

I don't know. I mean, if you want information out of someone, you want them to live. To go through a massive amount of pain till they break and spill their guts. If Sheppard bled to death, then it would be indeed pointless to get the information that he wanted. I could be wrong, but that's what I automatically assumed with the bandaged nub. Not that he cared, but he needed him to live long enough to get the said information. *nod nod* I was of course wrong. LOL

That's just my opinion though. *smiles* Nothing against what anyone else thinks. Just what I thought when I saw it.

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 11:43 PM
Yeah my only problem with the nub was that there was no blood on it. You chop somebody's hand off, I don't care how well you wrap it, there will be blood.

Browncoat1984
November 14th, 2008, 11:46 PM
I think the weakest part of this episode was Sheppard's story. He should have easily been able to figure something out. First: How did Kolya get onto the planet? Did I miss that or did he just not explain it? I didn't think the Genii had ships, and to the best of my knowledge the only Stargate on the planet is in Atlantis. He also couldn't have piloted a jumper because he proved by cutting off Sheppard's hand that he didn't have the ancient gene.

On that note, he mentions he was using ancient tech when Shep shot him...what was the tech, and how could he have used it without having the gene? Maybe the AI was manipulating Shep's subconscious so he wouldn't consider that?

TragicComedy
November 14th, 2008, 11:51 PM
I think the weakest part of this episode was Sheppard's story. He should have easily been able to figure something out. First: How did Kolya get onto the planet? Did I miss that or did he just not explain it? I didn't think the Genii had ships, and to the best of my knowledge the only Stargate on the planet is in Atlantis. He also couldn't have piloted a jumper because he proved by cutting off Sheppard's hand that he didn't have the ancient gene.

On that note, he mentions he was using ancient tech when Shep shot him...what was the tech, and how could he have used it without having the gene? Maybe the AI was manipulating Shep's subconscious so he wouldn't consider that?

I think those are all good points and I'm sure Shep was wondering how Kolya got there but I don't think any of his questions would have led him to the conclusion that he wasn't really speaking to Kolya - even though he saw Kolya die because when someones hitting you and you REALLY feel it, you don't really doubt that they exist or care how they got there, you just want them to be gone and/or destroyed.

Wolf O'Donnell
November 14th, 2008, 11:55 PM
i was >< to turning off the set

first itme ever

the illusions dragged on for too long, they wre too confusing and muddled

the end was cool...but 5 minutes isn't enough of a pay off for almost 40 of muddled junk

this pretty much sums it up for me but i would like to say that it was fantastic to see Robert Davi again.

g.o.d
November 15th, 2008, 12:01 AM
well, I'm shocked, I liked this episode. Finally after a long time we had true exploration of a planet, a lost civilization and even a talking part was OK. "Kolya" was great, interaction between McKay and Zelenka was great + no Teyla and Ronon, Keller was there only for two? minutes...

Wolf O'Donnell
November 15th, 2008, 01:10 AM
well, I'm shocked, I liked this episode. Finally after a long time we had true exploration of a planet, a lost civilization and even a talking part was OK. "Kolya" was great, interaction between McKay and Zelenka was great + no Teyla and Ronon, Keller was there only for two? minutes...

i never thought i would live to see the day!
but really im happy that you got something out of the episode.

rach12
November 15th, 2008, 01:27 AM
I really liked the ep. It was one of the better ones this season. I didn’t think it was predictable, and the part with Zelenka also being a hallucination was the biggest surprise to me, I thought he was real. :o All three storylines were keeping my interest. The Shep storyline could have been more extended though. Loved seeing Kolya back, always liked his character (he was the only good thing about the Genii lol). 8/10 ep
Season 5 is doing great! IMHO

unevenlight
November 15th, 2008, 01:32 AM
lucius was pathetically amusing

this was just cringe worthy. to say it was fanfic dialogue brought to life is an insult to fanfic

the only thing I liked about lucius was the fact that he was from the first sg movie as the person who translates door to heaven and is wrong it was nice to see him act differently

Linzi
November 15th, 2008, 01:34 AM
I have mixed feelings about Remnants, I think, but overall, I enjoyed it. It really turned out exactly as I thought it would though. Maybe that's my fault for being a complete spoiler tart, or maybe the writing is just a tad predictable. I don't know. Maybe it's both! :lol:



I actually was entertained and really liked the story. I did find the editing very choppy at times, and that made the episode disjointed on occasion, IMO.

I liked Woolsey's bits. He was great, and I think it really was a Woolsey episode and I certainly don't begrudge him that. However, I really think Sheppard's storyline deserved its own episode to serve Sheppard and the story justice. There just wasn't enough time devoted to it, IMO. What we got was great, but it was a little shallow and could have been so much more revealing about Sheppard and so much more angsty, especially as we were promised this would tell us more about who Sheppard is. I think this only reinforced what I knew, it didn't really reveal anything to me.

McKay was a little irritating again at times for me. Yes, he's a genius etc... but that's getting a bit old now. He's so much more, IMO. Don't get me wrong. I like arrogant Rodney, and I think he was most likely in character, but his treatment of Zelenka, even though he wasn't real, was just a bit, well, harsh really. I love Radek and thought DN did a great job here. Though I'm not sure what more I learned about either man here either. Still the scientific stuff was vital to the plot and I did enjoy what we learned in that respect.

Robert Davi was fantastic. He scares the crap out of me. I'm so glad he came back to the show. Pity Kolya didn't really survive Irresponsible though! Damn it!


Sheppard? Joe F. is awesome, IMO. I felt his fear/defiance/pain/ self-torture so acutely, but that had nothing to do with the writing, IMO, as Joe wasn't saying anything at those times; it was the look on his face - the emotions Joe portrayed, as an actor. Shame he's generally so under appreciated. Such is life!

For me, sometimes in one look Joe says more than some actors can say in 1,000 words. It was heartbreaking. Loved the way he took out the Genii and the hand chopping off scene was terrifying, though I had guessed already it was removed to use to fly the puddle jumper for the ATA gene and that's why Kolya chopped it off. So that was a tad predictable, but it did make sense. I liked the way Sheppard's mind went with the hallucination as it all was pretty logical.

BUT, I didn't learn any more about Sheppard. I know no more today than I knew yesterday - I've just had what I already knew reinforced. He tortures himself about his failures, keeping everything locked away in the back of his mind. Kolya really was his nemesis and I guess he was a little frightened of him? I suppose I didn't really know that. I guess it's good to have those things as canon. BUT, I'd have liked to have learned more, though the line about Shep standing up to the torture and having so much resistance to it, and Shep saying 'Well, I was married...' made me laugh out loud! Joe delivers comedic lines so well. Another of his many talents, IMO.

I don't know many actors who could have pulled off what Joe did in Remnants. It was never over the top or cheesy and those things really detract from some actors' performances for me. I do like subtle, and Joe is certainly that! I just felt so sorry for Sheppard and wanted to hug him! Which brings me to the ramifications thing. Were there any? Shep looked uncomfortable when the AI said she was sorry for what he went through. Did he tell anyone what happened to him? I'm thinking no, that he skipped the details. So, he received no comfort at all and just locks away everything again. Sigh... That's really the most disappointing aspect of the episode for me. We really haven't moved any further on with Sheppard, have we?

So, overall, I liked the episode very much. Liked the way the stories came together. Liked the actress who played Conrad very much; she was great, IMO. But, it was a little disjointed for me at times, going from one storyline to another so quickly that it wasn't satisfying. Well, on the Sheppard front anyway. I know they were over by 6 minutes on the episode. I wonder if some of the Sheppard stuff was cut out?

However, I'd have liked some more insight into Sheppard really. It was all a bit 'scratching the surface' and not telling us anything new. I don't think any of the writers want to explore Sheppard or really care enough to try - though JM did try and I actually thought this was probably his best episode to date. That's been obvious from season 5; nobody is invested in Sheppard and the writers don't know what to do with him.

But, I did like Remnants very much and will definitely watch it again. 8/10 at the moment. Though, knowing me it will most likely improve with more viewings! :o

g.o.d
November 15th, 2008, 01:46 AM
i never thought i would live to see the day!
but really im happy that you got something out of the episode.

yeah, we should have this episode and more of this type of episodes instead of some idiotic episodes in S4 (like Harmony, Trio or Quarantine)

Platschu
November 15th, 2008, 02:21 AM
Pro:
- Woolsey character moments
- Kolya
- Chen
- Zelenka-McKay discussions
- a new alien race : Sakari
- the two scientist at the beginning
- the team together at the end

Kontra:
- Sakari should have been less humanoid - I hope they will make more wilder forms in SG:U
- the story seemed to be a mix of Scorched Earth, Crystal Skull and Home

metabog
November 15th, 2008, 02:29 AM
Did anyone hear Woolsey say "This is where I come... to be with my farts."?

bluealien
November 15th, 2008, 04:14 AM
I got my hopes up for this episode only to be utterly disappointed. The Sheppard story had the potential to be great, and to finally give us some insight into Sheppards psyche, but all we got was some gratuitous whump. Koyla was as unmenacing as he always is and the whole Koyla/Sheppard confrontation turned out to be as anti climatic as previous encounters.

Koyla gives Sheppard a beating that would have knocked him out cold or seriously disorientated him, but even after having his hand cut off Sheppard is still capable of getting up and beating the crap out of hallunicatory foe...

If more time had of been given to this storline line instead of the fleeting moments we got before we are back with Woolsey and his manifestation of his dream girl.. this is the guy who wears a suit to relax in.. doesn't really socialize, and probably soaks up literature in his past time..but yet the first thing his mind conjurs up is his perfect woman.... as much as I do enjoy Woolsey, more than half of the episode dedicated to his love live was just too much.

And the IOA.. ok I know they are meant to be a bunch of bureaucratic idiots but even for them this was taking things too far... so they want to replace Woolsey after only 9 months.. for doing a good job.. it was bad enough swallowing this crap when they got rid of Carter.. but now they are at it again... how comforting to think that such a competent bunch of folks are in charge of something so important...

Now lets get back to Rodney and Zelenka... I guess the writers think that we havn't been told enough times now what a genius Rodney is.. so let's stroke his ego again. It's a shame that it had to be halluncinatory Zelenka and not the real one that got to tell Rodney what an arrogant, egotistical man he is. Just when I was starting to like Rodney again I had to endure his arrogance throughout the entire episode.

And no surprise Ronon or Teyla got nothing to do at all. The writers must be sighing with relief that they don't have too many episodes left to come up with some mundane stuff for them to do. Teyla as usual is eating with her team, I guess Kanaan is in the shower, having a veeeery long shower, or maybe it's his turn to walk the baby around the Atlantis circuit...

So a choppy episode that was boring and unfullfilling. The writers have made it clear that they don't even want to touch on anything meaningful, so again no emotional depth at all. The writing remains shallow and anything meaningful is just glossed over..
5/10

JackHarkness_Hot
November 15th, 2008, 04:15 AM
Ahh the AI, the trickster!

I thought it was an okay episode, Ms. Chen well she was the big boo of the show, which proves the point that the IOA are nothing more than just the NIDs at plan, with dog-eat-dog status that goes on in bureaucracy.

The chopping of the hand further confirms my theory on how Michael may have used it to control the Puddlejumper of last week's episode, but that's just me.

mr_kennedy
November 15th, 2008, 04:16 AM
i enjoyed this episode

the ioa girl, wasnt she in an episode of season 9 of sg-1?

and it had me going when they chopped shepperds hand off wow

Giantevilhead
November 15th, 2008, 04:55 AM
Just how greedy is the IOA? They already have the combined knowledge of both the Asgard and the Ancients. The fact that these aliens used such a lame method of resurrecting their civilization shows that they're not very advanced. At least the Gadmeer had a huge terraforming ship.

morjana
November 15th, 2008, 05:06 AM
A re-write of SG1's 'Scorched Earth,' by the very same writers, with the exact same results.

So, Brain Storm is next?

Pharaoh Atem
November 15th, 2008, 05:08 AM
As soon as Sheppard's hand came off, I knew it was a dream, because the powers that be do not have the balls to do permanent damage to any of their leads.

..

yea that's the only bad thing about sga

huntress
November 15th, 2008, 05:45 AM
This was a convoluted, sorry mess that was not complicated - just badly written and executed. I have seen much more complex storylines both on the big and small screen, and I am sure everyone else has too. This episode showed me again what the biggest problem of SGA is - the writers. They have good story ideas but fail on all levels when it comes to execution. If I had been the writer of this story I would feel, very ashamed. IMHO I think SGA would have had much higher ratings and an actual future ahead if some of the writers had been sacked in season three. There are much more capable screen writers out there. They might be more expensive (or not) but then at least we wouldn't have to deal with episodes like "Remnants"

Shaod
November 15th, 2008, 07:01 AM
Amazing episode. It felt like watching an episode of SG-1. I like those peisodes that make you think, in a way.

They also incorporated al ot of funny lines, like when Woolsey was trying to tell Vanessa that the balcony was his private place.

SGFerrit
November 15th, 2008, 07:02 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, the Sakari were great, it's a shame we'll probably never see them again:(

Briangate78
November 15th, 2008, 08:05 AM
Wow, another episode getting a lot of postive feedback from most of the fans, that's two in a row! Hopefully next week's will be good as well. Anyway, I gave the ep a 9/10 because of it's clever writing. I would of given it a 10/10 if there was more participation from Ronon and Teyla.

Well at least the Anti-Keller faction cannot be too upset since Keller got a measly one minute of screentime. ;)

Aerilon
November 15th, 2008, 08:19 AM
I must say, I was actually highly impressed with this episode. Coming to the point we are now in (the end of Atlantis dawning), I thought most of the episodes would be dead ones, but not this one. I was quite impressed.

In regards to Shepard's hand (as it has been brought up). When I saw it had been 'removed' my initial thought was that Keller (with the help of some Ancient device), would manage to reattach it. The Koyla incident didn't really click until late, though Zelenka did. First he was appreciating Rodney, and then he kept nudging him to look at the code and what not.

The only thing that got me in this episode, is Woosley and the lift. He couldn't manage on his own, yet when that AI figure came along, who was just in his head, she could operate the lift? Something doesn't quite add up there. ;)

Generally though, good episode. A nice new race (which we will never see again), followed by a nice backstory, and plenty of good / fun quotes.

MatroxMeteor
November 15th, 2008, 08:49 AM
The episode was ruined for me in the first couple of minutes. John acting so totally unprofessionally and such a grotesque geeky characterization of scientists was just too much. I'm a geologist and I among my colleagues and coworkers there are some very enthusiastic people, but none act as geeky as this. Hello?

It didn't matter that the story was actually quite good, I just couldn't get over it. I think someone in the writing department needs professional help...

Anubis-
November 15th, 2008, 09:05 AM
If I understud correctly, they were mainland of Atlantis-planet. So why John did not thinking how Genii were there? Genii did not have space ship and there was no gate.

Skydiver
November 15th, 2008, 09:08 AM
To Vala M,

If anyone calls this episode predictable I am going to scream my head off ! :p
well, scream away.

about 19 minutes in i said 'it has to be a dream because the lines suck too much for it to be 'real'

about the time zelenka was complimenting rod, shep got his hand cut off and woolsey had a lady friend i knew it couldn't be real. too much coming out of the blue

Briangate78
November 15th, 2008, 09:09 AM
well, scream away.

about 19 minutes in i said 'it has to be a dream because the lines suck too much for it to be 'real'

about the time zelenka was complimenting rod, shep got his hand cut off and woolsey had a lady friend i knew it couldn't be real. too much coming out of the blue

I can't I'm working now. ;) :p Maybe later. :D

Skydiver
November 15th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Prodigal ws wonderful. dramatic and intriguing

this to me, was just muddled mess.

maybe if john had known that it wasn't real and 'fought' kolya to get kolya to admit it was fke or something like that. i can see woolsey getting fooled, but not someone with shep's experience. if shep spent the eps going 'this is not real, this is not real' that would have added some drama.

bandras
November 15th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Finally This was good old Stargate to me, I didn't like many episodes in S5, but this one was ok. I was gonna give it 9/10 cause of some of the corny jokes, but when I realised that Zelenka wasn't there I went 'WTF?!' so it changed my mind;10/10
I hope the rest of the episodes will be at least this good

Corona
November 15th, 2008, 09:24 AM
I was entertained and amused by Remnants. I also learned after getting spoiled with the Asgards not to log in here. I would have been PO'd if I had learned about Zelenka. That was the icing on the cake.

Being older, I have to give it up for Woolsey's idea of a hot woman. She is someone I would like to get to know better. And to the poster who wondered why she would go for him? Intelligent women aren't so shallow as you seem to be. Stargate is one series where the smart guys do get the girl. Yea!

Why Shephards illusion seemed obvious to us doesn't matter. It is the manifestation of HIS fears and like a dream, doesn't have to be accurate, just close. I did think this was an illusion, but caused by the flower the scientist found. That WOULD have been obvious.

I thought Xiao had a resemblence to Keiko O'Brien. Of course a little older.

Well, gotta go. The So. Cal. fire is on the hill a couple miles away. Might have to git!

Sue_Jackson
November 15th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Prodigal ws wonderful. dramatic and intriguing

this to me, was just muddled mess.

maybe if john had known that it wasn't real and 'fought' kolya to get kolya to admit it was fke or something like that. i can see woolsey getting fooled, but not someone with shep's experience. if shep spent the eps going 'this is not real, this is not real' that would have added some drama.

I agree with you Skydiver. :) I too knew it was some kind of fake-out....whether it was a dream or hallucinations. Nothing made sense. Yeah....Sheppard should've figured it out when he saw Kolya back from the dead. I mean....Sheppard clearly shot him dead in Irresponsible.

jelgate
November 15th, 2008, 09:39 AM
Prodigal ws wonderful. dramatic and intriguingthis to me, was just?* muddled mess. maybe if john had known that it wasn't real and 'fought' kolya to get kolya to admit it was fke or something like that. i can see woolsey getting fooled, but not someone with shep's experience. if shep spent the eps going 'this is not real, this is not real' that would have added some drama.You expect less from a Mallozzi episode?I'm sorry but a closer glance tells me this episode was was on the low list for S5. JM' just isn't a good write anymore. He should stick to producing.

Pharaoh Atem
November 15th, 2008, 10:10 AM
:wraith37:

"OMG"

later

lorne warned me about this"

:lol: i missed it on the first watch :)

GateFanSamJack
November 15th, 2008, 10:26 AM
I almost didn't watch this one because of the previews, but I'm glad I did. It was good.

The previews went way over the top with making it look dark. They clipped the "They're as good as dead." line to sound like "r as good as dead", which sounded like he was referring to Sheppard being heavily injured even beyond the arm thing.

retiredat44
November 15th, 2008, 10:49 AM
very good episode, but am surprised no one called it a 'filler' episode. As I did not see it advance any story line. But, if it was filler it was a good one. :)

Skydiver
November 15th, 2008, 11:05 AM
You expect less from a Mallozzi episode?I'm sorry but a closer glance tells me this episode was was on the low list for S5. JM' just isn't a good write anymore. He should stick to producing.
joe can be a very good writer. but, like cooper, he needs someone to 'beta' his work. someone to read it over and go 'huh? what the heck is that'

I'm not seeing much proofreading or fact checking going on.

and, as such, you seem to get a lot of 'wow, i think this is a wonderful idea' type of stories that don't quite stand up to the test of 'time' and viewership

wolverine_nl
November 15th, 2008, 11:19 AM
I liked the ep, and ofcourse there are things that were strange and bad-writing afterwards, but the episode flowed nicely.

Skydiver
November 15th, 2008, 11:33 AM
I know, SkyDiver, I'm trying to figure out what alerted Sheppard and that chick to Parrish's flower discovery thing...did he yell or something? 'Cause *I* didn't hear anything. :confused:

the little scientist dude yelled 'oh my god!'


When I watched the audio was just fine, perhaps it's a cable company thing?:confused:

just the show. it was fine for the commercials and fine for sanctuary. it was jsut a bit out of sync is all....you'd see hte lips move a fraction of a second before you'd hear the sound.

Klenotka
November 15th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Nice. Not so original but perfectly matched to SG concept. :) I liked the end of the episode and Woolsey was great all the time.
And, I like Anna Galvin so I enjoyed her in this episode. I knew that Sheppard will have some halucinations but that is it all connected, it was a little predictable after some clues (and looking back) but also a nice suprise in the end.
Great Zelenka/McKay scenes.:D
I didn´t like Sheppard´s story-line too much cos I think he looked a little like a guy who needs help :S I am sure that Sheppard whumpers are thrilled (even cut off hand is already beyond whump imo :S ) but imagine a torture? And also the reason he stayed with those scientists? And, he is a military commander, he shouldn´t even be there, less than try to "spend the night" with some science chick. :rolleyes:

But, all in all, a really nice episode.

And did I say I loved the last scene? :D

I can´t wait Brain Storm!

stclare
November 15th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Kinda liked this episode. Could have done without the creepy sceintest stalking at the begining - Why do they feel the need to do that to Shep?

would have liked to have seen more of Teyla and Ronan still missing that team vibe where there all together for the majority of an episode. not just scene on there own or with other people.

6/10 fro me

Jumper_One
November 15th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Atlantis continues to impress me, Remnants was another great ep with some nice and interesting twists. the Shep/Kolya storyline was awesome :D

TragicComedy
November 15th, 2008, 11:59 AM
I'm actually kind of surprised at the downing of Shep being all male about the scientist at the beginning. I mean, seriously, he's a GUY! They do these sorts of things. It's called wanting to get some action. Now I thought her nerdiness was a little over the top but as for Sheppard, his actions were completely believable.

Celesto
November 15th, 2008, 01:03 PM
jeje i didnt believe that sb. can cut sheppard´s hand off that easy. but i didnt think on the story. was cool. the last 2 eps were really cool. but somehow its time for a new race like they encountered in that ep.

Infinatus
November 15th, 2008, 01:29 PM
jeje i didnt believe that sb. can cut sheppard´s hand off that easy. but i didnt think on the story. was cool. the last 2 eps were really cool. but somehow its time for a new race like they encountered in that ep.

The screen went black after the swing. Maybe it was struck multiple times.

Or...
Since it was just a hallucination, the writers had free reign to bend reality.

Jumper_One
November 15th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Joe Mallozzi's post-Remnants write-up:

Part 1 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9237131&postcount=6419)
Part 2 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9237158&postcount=6420)


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kymeric
November 15th, 2008, 04:12 PM
I laughed soo hard at the line "Youve poached my private area." Nerd stuttering to a pretty girl is awesome. Him calling himself dick was pretty funny too :D

The hand chopping was O.O

Nice of the alien laptop to save richards job. I wonder if those critters were there pre-wraith? They kinda looked like the original stargate the movie alien!

Lol at not remembering Chucks name. Was it just me or did AlienZelenka sound almost sad at first?

I liked that the alien probe looked beat up and not all super fancy, not everything in scifi needs to be shiny and futuristic.

Loved the lucious mention

Does this mean deep down rodney wants Zelenka to like him?

Raeth
November 15th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Was I the only one who found this episode to be like one giant "WTF" moment? XD I'm not saying it was a bad episode, but several times I just laughed and said out loud, "What the heck is going on here?"

Can't believe they cut off Sheppard's hand, even though it was just a hallucination.

lemonsandwraithohmy
November 15th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Okay, so I am a HUGE Kolya fan. Seriously, I've been anticipating this episode since I read R.D. was going to come back. I guess, the whole ending seemed too anti-climactic to me. I wanted more. I guess, I just psyched myself out for some amazingly awesome episode that no matter what they threw at me, my expectations were going to be too high. Don't get me wrong, it was a great ep. I just feel a little dissatisfied and want more. :D

Amalthea
November 15th, 2008, 07:23 PM
That was a really good episode. I think Shep needs some serious therapy if his unconscious cut off his own arm!

I'm very glad Woolsey decided to fight for his job. And, I must say, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! I guess her superiors will be awfully surprised when they read her report!

Rodney at the end was classic- wanting to see the alien so badly and then insisting that he could never have been fooled was hilarious. :mckay:

Briangate78
November 15th, 2008, 07:26 PM
You expect less from a Mallozzi episode?I'm sorry but a closer glance tells me this episode was was on the low list for S5. JM' just isn't a good write anymore. He should stick to producing.

Well he did very well with "The Last Man". No offense to the minority here, but the majority seemed to really like the writing direction of this episode.

Major V1125
November 15th, 2008, 07:46 PM
zomg....when sheppard lost his hand i was like F$#& and hoped the new race would like fix it or sumthing but it was all good XD

prion
November 15th, 2008, 07:54 PM
joe can be a very good writer. but, like cooper, he needs someone to 'beta' his work. someone to read it over and go 'huh? what the heck is that'

I'm not seeing much proofreading or fact checking going on.

and, as such, you seem to get a lot of 'wow, i think this is a wonderful idea' type of stories that don't quite stand up to the test of 'time' and viewership

If the show had another season, I'd be very tempted to send him a first aid manual as their medical knowledge is...well, isn't... for the most part.

Tiletron
November 15th, 2008, 07:54 PM
There was something odd about this new species... it's appearance for one, and the theme music which played. The first time music like that was heard was when O'Neill first visited Othala; a colony of the Asgard.

I will admit the appearances of the two races are quite different, but there were also some strange similarities. Is it possible they are related?

jelgate
November 15th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well he did very well with "The Last Man". No offense to the minority here, but the majority seemed to really like the writing direction of this episode.I would have to disagree. It looks pretty even to me and I believe Mullie wrote The Last Man.

TragicComedy
November 15th, 2008, 07:59 PM
There was something odd about this new species... it's appearance for one, and the theme music which played. The first time music like that was heard was when O'Neill first visited Othala; a colony of the Asgard.

I will admit the appearances of the two races are quite different, but there were also some strange similarities. Is it possible they are related?

I thought they looked like a shiny stretched out Asgard myself. Although if I remember right, back before cloning got all out of hand, Asgard bodies were more similar to humans so they weren't all skinny like that. They might be related somehow but I doubt TPTB meant to imply it.

Tiletron
November 15th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Well we know the Ancients whenever they've "failed" in a galaxy tend to leave and start over in another, but this is not to say that other races wouldn't employ the same idea. Maybe whoever created the Asgard and this unexplored race were the same species; evolving on diferent paths of evolution, depending on the conditions of a planet's ecosystem.

For example, most humans in the Milky Way on other worlds inherit the same appearance as us, but another, divergent set of genetic characteristics compared to our own...

TragicComedy
November 15th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Well we know the Ancients whenever they've "failed" in a galaxy tend to leave and start over in another, but this is not to say that other races wouldn't employ the same idea. Maybe whoever created the Asgard and this unexplored race were the same species; evolving on diferent paths of evolution, depending on the conditions of a planet's ecosystem.

For example, most humans in the Milky Way on other worlds inherit the same appearance as us, but another, divergent set of genetic characteristics compared to our own...

Good point. This Sakari or whatever their names are could be Asgard's who broke away from both the Milky Way and evil Pegasus Asgard's long ago and found the cure to their cloning problem. With a spiffy new shiny exterior and everything. lol

Man, now I wanna know more about these guys. Darn curiosity.

Crichiel
November 15th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Ok, so this episode was basically like two different episodes for me, with two very different reactions:

For the first half, I was really enjoying the episode with the exceptions of the team being split up AGAIN, and the explanation of how Kolya was still alive. I knew there would have to be some fancy footwork to explain it, but I thought the vague Ancient technology explanation given was pretty lame. But, I could let it go because I really did want to see Kolya back again.

Also, from the promo, I figured there was no way they were seriously going to chop off John's arm. Since you couldn't see it clearly, I figured the cheat would be that it was actually Kolya cutting the bindings that were holding him. So, when they came back from commercial and his arm was truly gone? I was so excited because, even if there was some miraculous medical procedure at the end, they had something totally shocking going on here. Some real jeopardy for our heroes without going to the stock-in-trade "kill them off". Maiming was a nice(?) surprise.

Then halfway through...I figured out the gameplan. Grrr...I was so mad! I hate AU and alternate realities, I hate "reset" buttons, and I despise "It was all in your mind" plots. I consider them all to be massive cheats. From then on, I couldn't enjoy it one bit. Not to mention the fact that I thought the reason the aliens gave for going after John was pretty weak. Just seemed like they were suddenly forcing these two story points together. Either story (John's or Woolsey's) along with McKay's figuring things out would have been enough for 40 minutes, but all three in there made the episode too crowded and the ending way too rushed. It just felt like a lot of build up, all explained in three minutes at the end. As someone else said, anti-climactic.

The only plus side to the revelation at the end? I TOTALLY believe Kolya coming back in John's head. So I could enjoy Robert Davi's performance without that niggling at the back of my consciousness!

Oh, and unfortunately, even the 'surprise' with Radek was no surprise for me. I went to a Stargate convention this summer where David Nykl was a guest, and he hinted at Radek not being Radek in Remnants. :(

Overall, I was so disappointed. I had looked forward to this episode more than any other in the second half. *sigh* Now I have to sit through more annoying Keller plots and just hope the finale will FINALLY be a good team episode with the action and humour that made me fall in love with Stargate.

DragonLadyK
November 15th, 2008, 11:32 PM
I'm just going to be squeeing about Zelenka over here. ^^ Because that was a great Zelenka ep, even if it was more telling about Rodney's perception of Radek than Radek himself.

DragonLady

fwupow
November 16th, 2008, 02:30 AM
This episode was one of the top five.
Sure had me guessing.
I never wanted the Jenni dead more than I did during the first half.

Wolf O'Donnell
November 16th, 2008, 02:40 AM
Joe Mallozzi's post-Remnants write-up:

Part 1 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9237131&postcount=6419)
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Man... i think it is fantastic that Robert Davi got to come back to the show before it ends. He represents the early atlantis and it would be sad if he just faded away in our memory.

DaRngATe
November 16th, 2008, 02:41 AM
im just happy there was a aussie flag...woot!!!!

JadedWraith
November 16th, 2008, 05:43 AM
To Vala M,

If anyone calls this episode predictable I am going to scream my head off ! :p

I absolutely love it, it's my kind of episode...but prepare your vocal chords:

...it was predictable, including the Zelenka allucination. No other way the ep made sense. Everybody saw what they wanted or what they feared to see. Wow, does John have a sacrificial lamb complex....? Man!:samanime24:

ha'tak_
November 16th, 2008, 06:06 AM
wow that show was disapointing , all of this was just a there supconsion mind and was this not little to much alike in some way the episode
"scharted earth" in season 4 of sg-1

Briangate78
November 16th, 2008, 08:42 AM
I absolutely love it, it's my kind of episode...but prepare your vocal chords:

...it was predictable, including the Zelenka allucination. No other way the ep made sense. Everybody saw what they wanted or what they feared to see. Wow, does John have a sacrificial lamb complex....? Man!:samanime24:

I wish we were getting a 6th season, because you can almost gurantee that the writers would of dove more into Sheppard's personality and past. It's a shame, because the last 2 seasons have really developed the characters nicely.

Skydiver
November 16th, 2008, 08:48 AM
you mean if we got 20 more eps we MIGHT get something more than the shep and rodney hour x 20? :)

If they were going to scatter the team up, it would have been nice to see zelenka's or teyla's or ronon's worst nightmares/secret wishes, do something different from the endless 'shep getting beaten up, rodney ranting then being right' schtick they're so fond of.

that's part of what had me shaking my head, it was a cliche fest. That's what was so annoying to me, it was just the same old, same old, same old, over and over.

bluealien
November 16th, 2008, 10:50 AM
I wish we were getting a 6th season, because you can almost gurantee that the writers would of dove more into Sheppard's personality and past. It's a shame, because the last 2 seasons have really developed the characters nicely.

What development !!

They had 5 years to develop Sheppard and they did nothing with him so what makes you think that anything would have changed if they had gotten a sixth season. Remnants was the last opportunity for the writers to try and delve into what made Sheppard tick and once again they failed to do so, and they knew that is was their last opportunity.

Nothing would have changed in season 6. They would have continued to focus on Rodney and probably now Keller as well, with a bit of hero Sheppard on the side and a smidgen of Ronon and Teyla...

Briangate78
November 16th, 2008, 11:35 AM
What development !!

They had 5 years to develop Sheppard and they did nothing with him so what makes you think that anything would have changed if they had gotten a sixth season. Remnants was the last opportunity for the writers to try and delve into what made Sheppard tick and once again they failed to do so, and they knew that is was their last opportunity.

Nothing would have changed in season 6. They would have continued to focus on Rodney and probably now Keller as well, with a bit of hero Sheppard on the side and a smidgen of Ronon and Teyla...

Huh? :confused: :S I have watched this show and have seen lots of development. Oh well. Cannot agree with them all.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2008, 12:07 PM
Man am I pissed. Another great episode and they cancelled this show! This really isn't fair. This has been a great season and with all these great eps it makes the cancellation that much harder on me. Ok enough ranting. Now on to the ep. Even though this wasn't the real Koyla it was great seeing him again. Loved the reaction with Rodney at te end about Zelenka that was priceless, also loved the AI tricking Chow. Very different ep but well done in definitely the best season.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2008, 12:08 PM
What development !!

They had 5 years to develop Sheppard and they did nothing with him so what makes you think that anything would have changed if they had gotten a sixth season. Remnants was the last opportunity for the writers to try and delve into what made Sheppard tick and once again they failed to do so, and they knew that is was their last opportunity.

Nothing would have changed in season 6. They would have continued to focus on Rodney and probably now Keller as well, with a bit of hero Sheppard on the side and a smidgen of Ronon and Teyla...

Are you sure we are watching the same show because I have seen plenty of development over years.

Jill_Ion
November 16th, 2008, 01:15 PM
I'm actually kind of surprised at the downing of Shep being all male about the scientist at the beginning. I mean, seriously, he's a GUY! They do these sorts of things. It's called wanting to get some action. Now I thought her nerdiness was a little over the top but as for Sheppard, his actions were completely believable.

Exactly! :sheppard: If I was single and on Atlantis and had the option of doing Job X by myself or Job Y with an attractive man, Job Y would be my first choice. Heck, even if nothing happened or developed, I would've spent some time with a cutie! :)

I thought this was a fun ep. 8 of 10 on the J_I Scale. We figured out it was an AU-type of ep somewhere along the way cuz of how people were acting and how it was shot/edited. I've seen enough TV in general and SG eps in specificity to spot these kind of eps. Go me! :) Doesn't mean that the writers/producers/directors/actors did anything wrong. It's like murder mysteries. Read enough of them, you can spot clues faster than newbies.

All of the acting was very, very good. Robert Davi and JF do act very well together and Shep spoke volumes with his facial expressions. Sure, if we'd found out a bit more background in this ep, I would've been happy, but I'm not disappointed cuz it didn't happen. (Just wish there'd be a Sixth Damn Season!)

David Nykl was very subtle in his playing of AI!Zelenka. The giveaway for us was the "brilliant" comment, but even that was explained by Zelenka.

Robert Picardo was brilliant again, and we got some character development for Woolsey.

The IOA are a bunch of dweebs. I think Shen was making a power play, wanting Atlantis for herself, no matter how good Woolsey had been. Loved how the AI played her at the end.

LOL @ Woolsey calling Chuck "Chet" and Chuck's irritation about it. Chuck rocks. :)

JackHarkness_Hot
November 16th, 2008, 01:19 PM
IMO, when it comes to Sheppard - we have seen him grow from a guy who kept much to himself and wondered if he'll ever get past the rank of Major to an officer who's willing to take risk for his friends and colleagues, even if it goes against direct orders and who enjoys beer and whiskey during down low.

*Down-low as in relaxing and chilling out and not that of M2M relationship though when it comes to Sheppard, in my head, he can go both ways, lol

Nath
November 16th, 2008, 02:11 PM
the past two episodes have been fantastic!!
I agree. 'The Prodigal' and 'Remnants' are good episodes.

I like the idea of a dormant and advanced civilisation emerging from the ocean (sort of). And I liked Woolsey's reaction. He's no more part of the IOA, he doesn't share their point of view anymore. And I'm glad he chose to send back the device instead of using the data. I'll quote Jack O'Neill in 'Shades of Grey' :

About the Tollan, Tok'ra, Asgard, Nox :
MAKEPEACE: They refuse to give us the things we need to defend ourselves against the Goa'uld.
O'NEILL: We don't need their stuff, Makepeace. We do need them.

John's hallucination was great. I really thought Koyla was back (At first, I didn't understand why he didn't explain in detail about this ancient stuff he used to raise from the dead). I began to question myself when Koyla cut John's hand. It couldn't be real (although I nearly had a heart attack).

I love the little chat at the end when the Artifical Intelligence tells John he tortures himself everyday. This is awesome and brillant. John pretends to be cool, relax, funny, but in reality, his thoughts are very dark and he's full of remorses. I like to see this side of John, we also saw it in 'Doppleganger'.

Sheppard : "Lorne warned me about this" Hilarious !

Tiletron
November 16th, 2008, 02:59 PM
There is a possibility that the secret behind Sheppard may not appear in the series, instead showing up in the movie. Then again, it may not be ever explained at all, but there are clues...

There have been a lot of - well, you could call them "hints" - about Sheppard regarding his ATA gene as well as his overall inteligence.

There's also been virtually nothing mentioned about his mother, despite the fact his father is (or was) a soldier like him - a note that was originally present on SCIFI's hub for the show when it was first launched, but has since been removed and updated in Outcast [4x15]. The story about the three servicemen he tried to save has been done to death and there's no reason to keep going on about it. But, there is tension in the episode that remains to haunt his past, so maybe the part about his mother is something that hasn't been yet revealed; which may also be linked to his inherent, dominant control over Ancient tech compared to other characters.

Ruffles
November 16th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Are you sure we are watching the same show because I have seen plenty of development over years.

Are we watching the same show? I mean for Sheppard specifically. We are introduced to him in Rising as a loner type. He goes to Pegasus, kills his CO (an act of mercy and necessity), takes over command. In the next ep, he volunteers to be the one to trap an alien entity in its special cage. So in the first two eps we see a man who doesn't share much of himself, that can make the tough (and dark) decisions and risks his life for others. It was reinforced in S1 in The Eye and The Siege. After all these years, he still can't give someone a hug. When have you ever seen him share something personal or private?

What have we learned about him since? How has he changed? Does he have friends? Sure. Did he before? Sure. We know from Home and Phantoms that he had good buddies in the military.

We also know he has an ex-wife, a brother, and a father that he had a falling out with. That's not character development. That's background.

We've seen Rodney learn how to get along with others (when he chooses), admit that he has quirks and wants to overcome them, calm down, open up. We've seen Keller toughen up. We've seen Woolsey loosen up. This year is the first time I've seen any difference in Teyla (her priorities have changed). I can't tell you one thing about Ronon or Sheppard that's changed in 5 years (4 in Ronon's case).

Please point out what I've missed. Specifics, please.

morjana
November 17th, 2008, 12:31 AM
SGA - MGM Stargate: NEW Behind the Scenes Photos - 'Remnants':

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9245434&postcount=922

Night Marshal
November 17th, 2008, 04:27 AM
Once again We see Zelenka getting picked on for no good reason by Rodney. Even if it wasn't the Real Zelenka that banter is still getting kinda old. Personally Kolya coming back what fun but it didn't really do much for the story for me. We have seen these two go back and forth before. I think the heart of the story was Woolsey and the AI. Their is something about Robert Picardo that seems to work on the Show more than Carter. Don't get me wrong I'm a long time fan of SG-1 but Carter always seems more of the Square peg in the round hole of Atlantis. Woolsey might not be perfect but he does fit the Current Stargate Universe much Better with the Role of the IOA in the stargate program and the political sensitiveness that brings.

But it seems the the Writers really don't have any plans for the IOA other than to be the generic political villain that we have seen over and over again since Senator Kinsey in Politics from the first season of SG-1. Sadly since Kinsey left us the only person to come close to that was Woolsey and since he is in command of Atlantis now that leave a void your random guest star of the week IOA villan just doesn't seem to fill. I mean how many times can the IOA try to remove the commander of Atlantis? I honestly wonder if part of why Atlantis is going away in favor of Universe is to get rid of things like the IOA so they can spend more time of stargates and exploring.

Skydiver
November 17th, 2008, 05:19 AM
the IOA are just a plot device...a relatively faceless entity to pop up and complicate the work our brave little band of heros are trying to do :rolleyes:

they're trotted out whenever the story needs the 'mindless buerocrat' to complicate things and then forgotten.

Night Marshal
November 17th, 2008, 06:04 AM
the IOA are just a plot device...a relatively faceless entity to pop up and complicate the work our brave little band of heros are trying to do :rolleyes:

they're trotted out whenever the story needs the 'mindless buerocrat' to complicate things and then forgotten.
Its so true.

I remember watching The Ties that Bind(also written by Joseph Mallozzi & Paul Mullie) from season 9 of SG-1 and thinking what was the point of that other than a not at all funny scene. The Writers could have flushed out the IOA there or in any of the dozen or so shows than have come since then that the IOA played a part in. That was one of the great strengths of Sg-1 to bring back important guest stars and villains. There is no reason why over the course of Atlantis who from the start of season 2 the IOA was going to play a longer role and could have had a number of bureaucrats good and bad which played some role in the show to help define this group and come back when IOA issues came up. Woosley played this role for a while but in my mind he was defined before the IOA in Heroes part 2. And he always seemed more of the hand of the IOA than a key part of it(something Woosley more of less says in the episode). What we needed were the key players getting involved not more grunt bureaucrats. This is a level of Stargate Universe that is there and while I don't think it should be explored in great detail I think it has just been used like so many things as a lame plot devises, and if it were given some thought it could a interesting and important part of the show.

For the time being I can only assume the writers are trying to make us be thankful for the Generic and faceless wrath with a even more generic and faceless IOA.

TragicComedy
November 17th, 2008, 09:29 AM
SGA - MGM Stargate: NEW Behind the Scenes Photos - 'Remnants':

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9245434&postcount=922

Thanks for showing the pics! Joe's face in that scene when his hand gets chopped off is so heart wrenching.

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Great episode. I loved it. Why?

1. I love the Asian chick from the IOA. She reminds me when she was taking the mickey out of Cam with Daniel ;). I cracked up back then.
2. The aussie chick and Kolya were very well thought out.
3. Zelenka was perfect. His chipper self but very flattering to show the audience that something is wrong. I knew he was an illusion ;). 5 points for me :).
4. Woolsey grew on me and , eventhough I like Shen, I did not want her to take over.
5. Rodney was very funny and the AI knew how to push his buttons ;).


10/10

I wasn't spoiled and I did not expect much. No high hopes and I wasn't disappointed.

Jill_Ion
November 17th, 2008, 11:21 AM
SGA - MGM Stargate: NEW Behind the Scenes Photos - 'Remnants':

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=9245434&postcount=922

Robert Davi! Stop picking on Joe! LOL!

Crichiel
November 17th, 2008, 12:26 PM
you mean if we got 20 more eps we MIGHT get something more than the shep and rodney hour x 20? :)

I'm sorry? The shep and rodney hour? THIS season. I wish. Let's break it down:

1) Search and Rescue-show split between 3 groups (Carter/Keller/McKay, Sheppard/Ronon, and Michael/Teyla)
2) Seed-Keller and Carson with a little group work from the others
3) Broken Ties-Ronon
4) Daedalus Variations-FINALLY a team episode!
5) Ghost in the Machine-Weir with everyone else as back up
6) The Shrine-McKay and Keller
7) Whispers-Sheppard and Carson
8) The Queen-Teyla
9) Tracker-Ronon, McKay, and Keller
10) First Contact-Daniel and McKay, with some Sheppard and Keller/Ronon
11) Lost Tribe-See previous entry
12) Outsiders-Carson and not sure, McKay? I actually missed this one
13) Inquisition-Sheppard had the speaking parts, but it wasn't really anyone's show, it was a clip show.
14) Prodigal-Teyla, with some little moments for Ronon, McKay, and Sheppard
15) Remnants-Plot split between Woolsey, Sheppard, and McKay
16) Brain Storm-McKay and Keller
17) Infection-can't tell from the photos or description on this one
18) Identity-What a shock, Keller again
19) Vegas-Sheppard
20) I would assume everyone, but I am sick of seeing the pictures of McKay and Keller together.

Aside from Vegas, I see no episodes that would be considered a strictly "Sheppard" show this season at all (And Vegas could change once we see it, I thought Remnants would be a Sheppard show). He had some good plotlines, but it was always in episodes where there were multiple plotlines, with none of the individual ones getting into any depth. Remnants was the closest so far, but still very little actual time spent with any one person since the three stories were happening at once. As for the team of four? That is SO passe!

No, I would NOT call this season the Sheppard-McKay Hour, more like the "Split Everyone Into Small Groups, Give Keller The Most Prominent Storylines, McKay Gets Either Part Of Her "A" Story Or Put In Charge Of The "B" Story, While Sheppard Shares Any Of His "A" Stories With Two Or Three Others Or Else Gets A "B" Story, Ronon And Teyla Play Backup To Everyone Once They Have Had 'Their' Episode, Forget Having All The Team (Sheppard, McKay, Ronon, Teyla) Together Hour"....But I suppose that is too long a title? ;)

lhawk
November 17th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Remnants was a good episode but it left me wanting more...I felt the majority of it should have been about Sheppard and Koyla instead of all the going back & forth only giving short scenes with Shepp. As always, I enjoy watching McKay but felt this episode should have been all about Shepp & his weaknesses. Remnants had the potential to be much better - digging deep into Shepp fears and revealing a side of him we haven't seen, and in my opinion, it fell short.

I was disappointed Koyla was not back for real but I must say the whole hallucination thing and how it all tied in together at the end was pretty cool. In that case, I felt Koyla should have been even more brutal w/Shepp, more mind games, maybe even killing him, then afterward Shepp would come to, revealing it was just a hallucination! that would have been a real eye opener...

Loved the whole cutting off the hand thing - great shock value which is just what the episode needed.

As many others have said - it annoyed me the beating Shepp took wasn't made to look more real! Yes there should have been some blood oozing from Shepp's arm, his face should been more bruised/bloody from the punches, and even though I liked the idea of Shepp taking out the Genjii, it was a bit unrealistic he could have done so so easily in his condition.

Shepp's character should experience a few nightmares after going thru all that I would say? But probably too much to hope for or see in any of the remaining episodes...

Of course it saddens me this is the last season of SGA. It definitely could have gone another 2 seasons at least...I do hope they have the opportunity to reveal more on Shepp in the SGA movies to come. And yes we need to see more Teyla and Ronon with the team as well!

I hope all deleted scenes from Remnants are included in the DVD. I read at least 9 mins were cut so I'm looking forward to seeing that extra footage!

nx01a
November 17th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Enjoyable episode.

The Good:
>IOA evil!
>Picard has his intelligent Aussie hottie from Snowy River in TNG's 'Lessons', Wendy Hughes. Picardo gets his own intelligent Aussie hottie in this episode. :P
>Woolsey... Love him better with every episode. Him and his 'private spot'.
>Shep... Poor woman-chasing, self-hating Shep.
>Rodney... Brilliant!
>The shots of Atlantis were some of the most beautiful we've ever seen. You can almost smell the salt air.
>That revolving shot of Shep vs Koyla... very 'Alice in Wonderland down the rabbit hole' or 'Wizard of Oz'. Or 60s 'Batman'. :P It's a classic technique for the whole 'dream world' motif, the whole world's topsy turvy. By that point, most people got that John and Koyla was a hallucination and they were about to reveal it anyway, so the placement of the shot was nice.
>The maths Rodney was using certainly sounded complex... kinda. If you notice there're spaces, why are there spaces? Sigh. Not so brill, Rod.
>The nudges ZelenkAI used to get Rodney to do what it wanted. Brilliant! The scene in the control room with Rodney, Chuck and Amelia was very much like 'The Sixth Sense'. On the first watch, you'd never realize ZelenkAI wasn't really there.
>The dialogue was brilliant! Woolsey was hilarious when necessary and strong when needed. That "Oh God..." was perfect! Rodney's "Am I sick? What have you heard?!" :P
>John threw himself off a cliff... WTF?!
>I was trying not to look at the list of guest stars lest I see some name to spoiler the whole episode, but I never was really that interested in Koyla so I didn't recognize the actor's name. It was quite the surprise to see him again... despite a few seconds of groaning.
>LUCIUS! They mentioned Lucius! :mckay:
>I was hoping this episode would address the seemingly forgotten plot of the Genii experimenting with inserting the ATA genes into themselves to use Ancient tech. Still, the whole blood thing works just as fine. :D
>Woolsey's pro-life! :P Woolsey made the right choice letting the aliens have a chance to revitalize their civilization. First off, it's life, whether potential or otherwise. Helping it along would take nothing off us and it's not like we desperately need their technology. We have the full knowledge of the Asgard and the Ancients. We don't NEED the knowledge of a silicon-based species. Their medical sciences would be completely useless to us and technologies that would be safe for them might kill us, etc. We have enough knowledge at the moment, thank you. Besides, for all their 'advanced' society and technology, they couldn't even bring about a second generation of their species, like the Ancients did. 50+ failed attempts... that knowledge seems a bit flimsy to me.
>I wonder if the aliens interacted with the Ancients? We've heard nothing about it in the Ancient database, but that's vast. If the probe landed 2000 years ago... Their race should have been contemporary with the Ancients for millions of years. Then again, maybe they kept to themselves and never perfected time travel, hence the obviously flawed probes... or maybe they aren't from Pegasus at all and just sent probes across the, ahem, Universe.
>Killing Genii easily, great. Killing Wraith easily, stupid. I prefer to see these humans killing humans easily, not humans killing 'near immortal' beings easily.

The Bad:
>How stupid ARE these people?! Their last planet had mind-altering whales and serious solar flare problems, not to mention a Wraith cruiser right under them! THIS planet has upper atmosphere EM fluctuations and rare Pegasus germs! Don't they scan places?! On every available spectrum? Stupid.
>Rehash of SG-1's 'Scorched Earth'?
>How did the AI activate the transporter in the beginning? And the writers did such a good job with keeping Zelenka's non-existence consistently in the shadows.
>These silicon aliens are interesting, though their probe looks alot like the Asuran probe... and it looks really... backwards for a millions of years old race. AND the race themselves were far too human to be believable. A race based on a different element and they're visualized as the absolute creative baseline you can think of for a silicon-based lifeform: humanoid but, since silicon makes glass, let's make the humanoid shiny and semi-transparent. Showing the true form was unnecessary unless the visual would truly 'wow' us. I, for one, was underwhelmed by it. No creativity or imagination whatsoever went into creating that alien or its probe.
>Keller's stupid! :P Ok, I honestly thought she was but then it became obvious that Woolsey didn't tell her about the hallucinations, and she was just reacting to what he was saying at face value. But seriously, why was she in this episode, and why wasn't she eating breakfast/lunch/dinner with everyone else? A 2 minute not terribly important scene whose actions could easily be glossed over in 5 seconds of dialogue is really a waste.
>Daniel lost his foot, but he got it back. Shep lost his hand, but he got it back. Sigh.
>John went to the mainland just to flirt with a scientist chick in hot pants? You go, John. Be consistent.
>As for what drives John... He's constantly willing to kill himself to save others. What drives him? Will we ever find out? Does it matter? We've found out as much about Woolsey in 5 episodes this season as we have about John in 5 seasons.

The Verdict:
Atlantis should have been consistently like this episode and 'The Prodigal'... and not 'Tracker' and 'Outsiders'. The better episodes don't feature Wraith, apparently. Sure, it had problems, but it was enjoyable and intelligent despite the obligatory 'shoot people in the forest' sequences.

prion
November 17th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Enjoyable episode.


The Bad:
>How stupid ARE these people?! Their last planet had mind-altering whales and serious solar flare problems, not to mention a Wraith cruiser right under them! THIS planet has upper atmosphere EM fluctuations and rare Pegasus germs! Don't they scan places?! On every available spectrum? Stupid.
>Rehash of SG-1's 'Scorched Earth'?


Mallozzi loves to dust off his old scripts and rewrite them. Expect this one to be redone in SGU as well ;) *cough*

Briangate78
November 17th, 2008, 05:24 PM
The Verdict:
Atlantis should have been consistently like this episode and 'The Prodigal'... and not 'Tracker' and 'Outsiders'. The better episodes don't feature Wraith, apparently. Sure, it had problems, but it was enjoyable and intelligent despite the obligatory 'shoot people in the forest' sequences.

Huh? Outsiders, The Queen, The lost Tribe, and First Contact all had Wraith and were great!

Jill_Ion
November 17th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Enjoyable episode.

The Bad:
>How stupid ARE these people?! Their last planet had mind-altering whales and serious solar flare problems, not to mention a Wraith cruiser right under them! THIS planet has upper atmosphere EM fluctuations and rare Pegasus germs! Don't they scan places?! On every available spectrum? Stupid.
>Rehash of SG-1's 'Scorched Earth'?

The whales only were a threat to the Lanteans when they all congregated, which apparently hadn't happened for tens of thousands of years. There wasn't a problem with the whales' subsonic communication until they amassed.

The solar flare couldn't have been predicted or discovered before it was found. McKay says so in the ep.

The Wraith cruiser was all but dead and at the bottom of the ocean, near a vent in the ocean bottom which would be generating heat and possibly other waves or fields which would keep it from being detected. Also, there was only one Wraith who was hibernating, and as we know from S1, hibernating Wraith don't show up on life signs detectors.

The EM fluctuations might not always be present. They could be intermittent or seasonal or depending upon whether the sun is flaring up or the moons are in phase.

It wasn't a rare Pegasus germ. It was actually very similar to a very common Pegasus germ, akin to chicken pox or mumps here on Earth. So common the city didn't view it as a threat.

My assessment? Not very stupid at all. :sheppard: :mckay: :teyla: :ronan:

syncretic
November 17th, 2008, 08:36 PM
im just happy there was a aussie flag...woot!!!!

AGREED! :D It was a happy little patriotic moment, first seeing that patch.

I find it incredibly amusing that Woolsey's romantic and sexual ideal is an Aussie, but it only serves to further my opinion that he is AWESOME :D I would so set him up with my property law tutor :P If anyone had told me at the start of this season that I would like Woolsey this much, I would have laughed. But Robert Picardo is simply fantastic. He has an on-screen presence and a force of character that I would say is comparable with the great Don S. Davis. Just having him THERE makes a scene.

I loved this episode to bits. It's quite possibly my favourite all season, and whilst yes, there are lots of good Wraith episodes, generally speaking I think the so-called "filler", non-Wraith ones tend to be better.

And again, I did see parallels with Scorched Earth, but I actually think this ep was better than that one - so shoot me. Although I suppose you can't directly compare them, SE was focused more on the moral dilemma and this one was slightly more character-based. You can hardly blame them for re-borrowing storylines, they're 15 seasons into the frachise and it's not as though the episode was a complete re-hash. They did put a fresh new spin on it, and a pretty good one, I reckon.

I CANNOT believe they're cancelling the show when it's getting so effing good :(

Also: maybe I'm just stupid but I didn't think this episode was (in effect) predictable at all. Maybe the plot points were sort of obvious, especially the Zelenka thing, but they were so good at the whole suspension of disbelief business that you bought it all and laughed delightedly when all was revealed at the end. LOVE THIS EP TO BITS. *flail*

thedrumm3rguy
November 18th, 2008, 01:27 AM
"oh god...lorne warned me about this"

- brilliant!! :D

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2008, 03:26 AM
Enjoyable episode.

The Good:
>IOA evil!
>Picard has his intelligent Aussie hottie from Snowy River in TNG's 'Lessons', Wendy Hughes. Picardo gets his own intelligent Aussie hottie in this episode. :P
>Woolsey... Love him better with every episode. Him and his 'private spot'.
>Shep... Poor woman-chasing, self-hating Shep.
>Rodney... Brilliant!
>The shots of Atlantis were some of the most beautiful we've ever seen. You can almost smell the salt air.
>That revolving shot of Shep vs Koyla... very 'Alice in Wonderland down the rabbit hole' or 'Wizard of Oz'. Or 60s 'Batman'. :P It's a classic technique for the whole 'dream world' motif, the whole world's topsy turvy. By that point, most people got that John and Koyla was a hallucination and they were about to reveal it anyway, so the placement of the shot was nice.
>The maths Rodney was using certainly sounded complex... kinda. If you notice there're spaces, why are there spaces? Sigh. Not so brill, Rod.
>The nudges ZelenkAI used to get Rodney to do what it wanted. Brilliant! The scene in the control room with Rodney, Chuck and Amelia was very much like 'The Sixth Sense'. On the first watch, you'd never realize ZelenkAI wasn't really there.
>The dialogue was brilliant! Woolsey was hilarious when necessary and strong when needed. That "Oh God..." was perfect! Rodney's "Am I sick? What have you heard?!" :P
>John threw himself off a cliff... WTF?!
>I was trying not to look at the list of guest stars lest I see some name to spoiler the whole episode, but I never was really that interested in Koyla so I didn't recognize the actor's name. It was quite the surprise to see him again... despite a few seconds of groaning.
>LUCIUS! They mentioned Lucius! :mckay:
>I was hoping this episode would address the seemingly forgotten plot of the Genii experimenting with inserting the ATA genes into themselves to use Ancient tech. Still, the whole blood thing works just as fine. :D
>Woolsey's pro-life! :P Woolsey made the right choice letting the aliens have a chance to revitalize their civilization. First off, it's life, whether potential or otherwise. Helping it along would take nothing off us and it's not like we desperately need their technology. We have the full knowledge of the Asgard and the Ancients. We don't NEED the knowledge of a silicon-based species. Their medical sciences would be completely useless to us and technologies that would be safe for them might kill us, etc. We have enough knowledge at the moment, thank you. Besides, for all their 'advanced' society and technology, they couldn't even bring about a second generation of their species, like the Ancients did. 50+ failed attempts... that knowledge seems a bit flimsy to me.
>I wonder if the aliens interacted with the Ancients? We've heard nothing about it in the Ancient database, but that's vast. If the probe landed 2000 years ago... Their race should have been contemporary with the Ancients for millions of years. Then again, maybe they kept to themselves and never perfected time travel, hence the obviously flawed probes... or maybe they aren't from Pegasus at all and just sent probes across the, ahem, Universe.
>Killing Genii easily, great. Killing Wraith easily, stupid. I prefer to see these humans killing humans easily, not humans killing 'near immortal' beings easily.

The Bad:
>How stupid ARE these people?! Their last planet had mind-altering whales and serious solar flare problems, not to mention a Wraith cruiser right under them! THIS planet has upper atmosphere EM fluctuations and rare Pegasus germs! Don't they scan places?! On every available spectrum? Stupid.
>Rehash of SG-1's 'Scorched Earth'?
>How did the AI activate the transporter in the beginning? And the writers did such a good job with keeping Zelenka's non-existence consistently in the shadows.
>These silicon aliens are interesting, though their probe looks alot like the Asuran probe... and it looks really... backwards for a millions of years old race. AND the race themselves were far too human to be believable. A race based on a different element and they're visualized as the absolute creative baseline you can think of for a silicon-based lifeform: humanoid but, since silicon makes glass, let's make the humanoid shiny and semi-transparent. Showing the true form was unnecessary unless the visual would truly 'wow' us. I, for one, was underwhelmed by it. No creativity or imagination whatsoever went into creating that alien or its probe.
>Keller's stupid! :P Ok, I honestly thought she was but then it became obvious that Woolsey didn't tell her about the hallucinations, and she was just reacting to what he was saying at face value. But seriously, why was she in this episode, and why wasn't she eating breakfast/lunch/dinner with everyone else? A 2 minute not terribly important scene whose actions could easily be glossed over in 5 seconds of dialogue is really a waste.
>Daniel lost his foot, but he got it back. Shep lost his hand, but he got it back. Sigh.
>John went to the mainland just to flirt with a scientist chick in hot pants? You go, John. Be consistent.
>As for what drives John... He's constantly willing to kill himself to save others. What drives him? Will we ever find out? Does it matter? We've found out as much about Woolsey in 5 episodes this season as we have about John in 5 seasons.

The Verdict:
Atlantis should have been consistently like this episode and 'The Prodigal'... and not 'Tracker' and 'Outsiders'. The better episodes don't feature Wraith, apparently. Sure, it had problems, but it was enjoyable and intelligent despite the obligatory 'shoot people in the forest' sequences.




There there ,pats nx01a on the back. Be mean, feisty, don't let them push you around ;).


***HEE HEEE HEEE HEEE***

:mckay: : "Son of a ..."

Skydiver
November 18th, 2008, 05:03 AM
"oh god...lorne warned me about this"

- brilliant!! :D
that was a great line. :)

Showfan
November 18th, 2008, 05:26 AM
you mean if we got 20 more eps we MIGHT get something more than the shep and rodney hour x 20? :)


Um, what???? Shep and Rodney hour? Seriously have we been watching the same season?


I'm sorry? The shep and rodney hour? THIS season. I wish. Let's break it down:

<snipped>

No, I would NOT call this season the Sheppard-McKay Hour, more like the "Split Everyone Into Small Groups, Give Keller The Most Prominent Storylines, McKay Gets Either Part Of Her "A" Story Or Put In Charge Of The "B" Story, While Sheppard Shares Any Of His "A" Stories With Two Or Three Others Or Else Gets A "B" Story, Ronon And Teyla Play Backup To Everyone Once They Have Had 'Their' Episode, Forget Having All The Team (Sheppard, McKay, Ronon, Teyla) Together Hour"....But I suppose that is too long a title? ;)

Yeah, what you said. :)

Skydiver
November 18th, 2008, 05:40 AM
different perceptions, different reactions.

What i see is a focus on shep and rod that - if you enjoy the characters and the cliches they play - is enjoyable for some. but if you want something more than 'self-sacrificing hewo risking his life and gettin the girl with his hyper and highly strung sidekick' then you're just gonna be disappointed more often than not.

I liked Prodigal. I liked how everyone had a part to play and got a moment. I liked the emotion and drama. I didn't get that feeling with Remnants. shep gets whumped, rodney rants, hyperventilates and saves the day, woolsey gets a bit part....and everyone else took the week off.

there was no emotion for me, no 'ooh, what's gonna happen???' in this episode. It was just a muddled mess, obviously - for me anyway - a dream/fantasy/nightmare and the only question was how soon the reveal would happen. It was obvious that it was the device....rod/zelenka wouldn't have been working with it unless it played a part in the plot.

It's been very reminiscent to me of the last season of SG-1, where those that loved the daniel/vala angle had the motherlode while those that liked any other aspect of the show just had dregs and crumbs.

Shep and Rod is the writers safety zone, and it's what they focus on. And sincce they are the leads, you can see the rationale for some of it....but in narrowing the focus so much....they'er kinda like a restaurant that goes from a 20 item menu to a 2 item menu....and then wonder how come their customer base falls off. The narrower the focus, the narrower the appeal.

I have a low tolerance for cliched male action hewo and his buddy, so i have a low tolerance for a lot of what they've done in the recent season. And this episode was just a prime example of what i'm not so fond of....just as Prodigal was an example of what the show used to be like.

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2008, 06:32 AM
I have a low tolerance for cliched male action hewo and his buddy, so i have a low tolerance for a lot of what they've done in the recent season. And this episode was just a prime example of what i'm not so fond of....just as Prodigal was an example of what the show used to be like.

If there is a reason why the show needs to be burried and forgotten is that episode PRODIGAL.

Showfan
November 18th, 2008, 06:40 AM
different perceptions, different reactions.

What i see is a focus on shep and rod that - if you enjoy the characters and the cliches they play - is enjoyable for some. but if you want something more than 'self-sacrificing hewo risking his life and gettin the girl with his hyper and highly strung sidekick' then you're just gonna be disappointed more often than not.

I liked Prodigal. I liked how everyone had a part to play and got a moment. I liked the emotion and drama. I didn't get that feeling with Remnants. shep gets whumped, rodney rants, hyperventilates and saves the day, woolsey gets a bit part....and everyone else took the week off.

there was no emotion for me, no 'ooh, what's gonna happen???' in this episode. It was just a muddled mess, obviously - for me anyway - a dream/fantasy/nightmare and the only question was how soon the reveal would happen. It was obvious that it was the device....rod/zelenka wouldn't have been working with it unless it played a part in the plot.

It's been very reminiscent to me of the last season of SG-1, where those that loved the daniel/vala angle had the motherlode while those that liked any other aspect of the show just had dregs and crumbs.

Shep and Rod is the writers safety zone, and it's what they focus on. And sincce they are the leads, you can see the rationale for some of it....but in narrowing the focus so much....they'er kinda like a restaurant that goes from a 20 item menu to a 2 item menu....and then wonder how come their customer base falls off. The narrower the focus, the narrower the appeal.

I have a low tolerance for cliched male action hewo and his buddy, so i have a low tolerance for a lot of what they've done in the recent season. And this episode was just a prime example of what i'm not so fond of....just as Prodigal was an example of what the show used to be like.

I guess I just don't see Sheppard and McKay as the "cliched male action hero and his buddy" although that's fine that some people do. Shep and McKay have had enough depth thrown in over the years, enough oddness, enough humor and pain to keep them at least a little unique. Besides if Shep and McKay are cliches then I'm sure anyone can make the case that so, in their own way, are all the characters on Stargate and Atlantis combined. And if I was dead set against that I wouldn't watch either show! But to each his own! With the exception of Keller I enjoy all the characters on Atlantis just as I enjoyed them on Stargate.

Personally I wasn't fond of Remnants because the Sheppard part seemed almost thrown in as an afterthought, and thus the episode seemed more than a bit disjointed to me. Poor Shep's had no character development this season, no significant episodes, no storylines of his own. IMO

Although I've had my issues with season 5, I have enjoyed many episodes: Prodigal, The Queen, Search & Rescue, First Contact (not the Lost Tribe) Daedalus Variations & Ghost in the Machine.

And I know this thread isn't the place for it. But honestly, this season I've been over-Kellered to the degree that I actually miss the heck out of the Sheppard and McKay show as you call it as well as the team.

Oh, and Sheppard may be as you said, "a self sacrificing hero" but he never gets the girl. That must be another cliched hero on another show you're watching! :)


:sheppard::mckay::teyla::ronan:

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2008, 06:49 AM
I guess I just don't see Sheppard and McKay as the "cliched male action hero and his buddy" although that's fine that some people do. Shep and McKay have had enough depth thrown in over the years, enough oddness, enough humor and pain to keep them at least a little unique. Besides if Shep and McKay are cliches then I'm sure anyone can make the case that so, in their own way, are all the characters on Stargate and Atlantis combined. And if I was dead set against that I wouldn't watch either show! But to each his own! With the exception of Keller I enjoy all the characters on Atlantis just as I enjoyed them on Stargate.

Personally I wasn't fond of Remnants because the Sheppard part seemed almost thrown in as an afterthought, and thus the episode seemed more than a bit disjointed to me. Poor Shep's had no character development this season, no significant episodes, no storylines of his own. IMO

Although I've had my issues with season 5, I have enjoyed many episodes: Prodigal, The Queen, Search & Rescue, First Contact (not the Lost Tribe) Daedalus Variations & Ghost in the Machine.

And I know this thread isn't the place for it. But honestly, this season I've been over-Kellered to the degree that I actually miss the heck out of the Sheppard and McKay show as you call it as well as the team.

Oh, and Sheppard may be as you said, "a self sacrificing hero" but he never gets the girl. That must be another cliched hero on another show you're watching! :)


:sheppard::mckay::teyla::ronan:

You don't want to go there :p. We will be here all week. Denise is right when it comes to THE GEL !!!;)

Showfan
November 18th, 2008, 06:58 AM
You don't want to go there :p. We will be here all week. Denise is right when it comes to THE GEL !!!;)

Sorry, I like Shep so you won't hear anything negative from me. And I don't mind him flirting.

On Atlantis it seems ..only McKay gets the girl.

And I really don't want to argue about it. On this board you never win. :)

:mckay::sheppard::teyla::ronan:

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2008, 07:14 AM
Sorry, I like Shep so you won't hear anything negative from me. And I don't mind him flirting.

On Atlantis it seems ..only McKay gets the girl.

And I really don't want to argue about it. On this board you never win. :)

:mckay::sheppard::teyla::ronan:

Proof that we are seeing different shows ;).

Showfan
November 18th, 2008, 07:30 AM
Proof that we are seeing different shows ;).

Possibly. :)

But we do see eye to eye on some characters.


:sheppard::mckay::ronan::teyla:

tar21
November 18th, 2008, 08:38 AM
This episode was great. Picardo is the best commander Atlantis has ever had. Why is this show getting cancelled? It's really getting up there in quality. The show has finally hit a steady flow. It's rollin' along great.

Can't Atlantis be saved for a few more seasons?

I don't see how a new show can achieve this kind of quality from the start. After much trial and error, cast changes, and the like... it's finally approaching scifi greatness.

I'd say this season is getting as good as some of the better ones in Star Trek: TNG.

Also, the current cast has great Chemistry. Picardo is what this show needed. Woolsey just fits so well. Please.... don't cancel Atlantis.

nx01a
November 18th, 2008, 08:45 AM
Huh? Outsiders, The Queen, The lost Tribe, and First Contact all had Wraith and were great!Oh, I've enjoyed every episode this season apart from 'Outsiders', 'Tracker' and 'Whispers', and that's despite liking Carson [even as a clone:P]. It's sad that the clip show 'Inquisition' ranks higher than them for me. While we differ on 'Outsiders', the others you mentioned featured Wraith not running around the forest getting picked off like idiots by our heroes. They featured, well, Todd! And when Todd's around, the other Wraith seem to gain from his common sense. IMO, the episodes I really hated were filler that used the Wraith as the generic 'stupid, kill em easy' bad guys which they're NOT supposed to be.

The whales only were a threat to the Lanteans when they all congregated, which apparently hadn't happened for tens of thousands of years. There wasn't a problem with the whales' subsonic communication until they amassed.
The solar flare couldn't have been predicted or discovered before it was found. McKay says so in the ep.
The Wraith cruiser was all but dead and at the bottom of the ocean, near a vent in the ocean bottom which would be generating heat and possibly other waves or fields which would keep it from being detected. Also, there was only one Wraith who was hibernating, and as we know from S1, hibernating Wraith don't show up on life signs detectors.
The EM fluctuations might not alway be present. They could be intermittent or seasonal or depending upon whether the sun is flaring up or the moons are in phase.
It wasn't a rare Pegasus germ. It was actually very similar to a very common Pegasus germ, akin to chicken pox or mumps here on Earth. So common the city didn't view it as a threat.
My assessment? Not very stupid at all. :sheppard: :mckay: :teyla: :ronan:The germ was a rare strain of a common pathogen because it had mutated in isolation on that planet for Ancients know how long. It was, if I remember correctly, very close to the original so the sensors didn't pick it up but different enough to cause serious problems for the MW natives.

I get where you're coming from, there may be some things that you can't find... but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't look for them anyway. The ZelenkAI pointed out that they'd 'barely scratched the surface' of their new... or old, by now, home. They know the dangers that they've faced on this planet and on Lantea. The smart thing, IMO, would be to scan the entire planet using every available sensor at your disposal... then have the Daedalus and Apollo do it, too! The work of scanning the planet would take two hours at the most between Rodney configuring the sensors and the actual scan, which was cut short in this episode.

What really annoyed me is that, despite the other disastrous encounters with native dangers on TWO worlds, Rodney simply doesn't care about scanning the planet. I realize that scanning the star and the entire system might be too much of a task, but still... Maybe it'll take Keller getting a brain parasite herself to make him realize that, maybe, those two hours won't be a waste after all.

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2008, 09:24 AM
If you know how to push Rodney he will find a ZPM in a big MAC :). Radek new how to push his buttons in this one ;). "Maybe they will name something after me " :)

Skydiver
November 18th, 2008, 10:35 AM
shep flirting is one thing....nearly every female throwing herself at him?

fun schtick, but gets real old, real fast.

That didn't happen in this episode....but i jsut can't get shep buying 'i used ancient tech to come back to life' from kolya. he was DEAD. cold and stiff and dead and, iirc, carson even pronounced him dead. why wasn't shep questioning it? why wasn't he going 'this can't be real?' and to fight the hallucination rather than simply buying into it.

I think i would have found it less scattered had shep been fighting it, kolya working to convince him that it's real while we have rod and woolsey 'falling' for it.

a good chunk of the audience knew that it had to be a dream, so go with it. confirm that for us and then let us 'cheer' for shep as he struggled to get rid of kolya, to fight his way back t the city and to convince the others that they're seeing things.

let it be a twist on Fifth Man....where the team 'knew' that they had a fifth team member, lt Tyler, who wasn't a member of the team,but was an alien 'hiding' with the team by making them believe his fantasy, to the point of creating memories. but instead of sam, daniel and teal'c trying to convince hammond and janet and Simmons to let them go back to rescue Jack adn tyler, have it be sheppard fighting his way to the city and convincing the others that they are seeing things. show shep's strength of belief in himself

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Denise has had her ANTI coffeeeee today ;).

Showfan
November 18th, 2008, 11:22 AM
shep flirting is one thing....nearly every female throwing herself at him?

fun schtick, but gets real old, real fast.

That didn't happen in this episode....but i jsut can't get shep buying 'i used ancient tech to come back to life' from kolya. he was DEAD. cold and stiff and dead and, iirc, carson even pronounced him dead. why wasn't shep questioning it? why wasn't he going 'this can't be real?' and to fight the hallucination rather than simply buying into it.

I think i would have found it less scattered had shep been fighting it, kolya working to convince him that it's real while we have rod and woolsey 'falling' for it.

a good chunk of the audience knew that it had to be a dream, so go with it. confirm that for us and then let us 'cheer' for shep as he struggled to get rid of kolya, to fight his way back t the city and to convince the others that they're seeing things.

let it be a twist on Fifth Man....where the team 'knew' that they had a fifth team member, lt Tyler, who wasn't a member of the team,but was an alien 'hiding' with the team by making them believe his fantasy, to the point of creating memories. but instead of sam, daniel and teal'c trying to convince hammond and janet and Simmons to let them go back to rescue Jack adn tyler, have it be sheppard fighting his way to the city and convincing the others that they are seeing things. show shep's strength of belief in himself

I agree with your take on Remnants in general. I'm not a big fan of this episode for most of the reasons you mentioned. However, I don't agree with the highlighted part of your reply.

I just always find the entire Shep "kirking" thing a riot sometimes. Spoilers because it's kind of off topic...

Season 1 - Shep flirts with alien ascended princess in Sanctuary.
Nothing else all season.
Season 2 - The Tower - near naked girl throws herself at Sheppard
Ephiphany - Stranded for 6 months Sheppard ... OMG...has sex
Inferno - Rodney and Shep both flirt with Narina
Nothing else all season
Season 3 - Not a single woman throws themselves at Sheppard. He doesn't hit on anybody or act inappropriately.
Season 4 - Travelers - Larrin - yuck
Shep and McKay flirt with the Princesses in Harmony. Although it's McKay who doesn't want to leave.
Nothing else all season
Season 5 - Remnants - Shep flirts with botanist.
So far, nothing else all season.

I might be missing something but I'm sure you get the point. This idea of Sheppard's personality has been greatly exaggerated to the level where it kind of gets annoying. I think Shep's a good character and I know not everyone will agree with me. And I've never seen him treat any woman with disrespect.

I'm not the defender of Sheppard's honor in any sense of the word. He's not even my favorite character, but come on, nearly every female throwing themselves at him? I seriously think not. :)

:sheppard::mckay::teyla::ronan:

chensuu
November 18th, 2008, 11:40 AM
I agree with your take on Remnants in general. I'm not a big fan of this episode for most of the reasons you mentioned. However, I don't agree with the highlighted part of your reply.

I just always find the entire Shep "kirking" thing a riot sometimes. Spoilers because it's kind of off topic...

Season 1 - Shep flirts with alien ascended princess in Sanctuary.
Nothing else all season.
Season 2 - The Tower - near naked girl throws herself at Sheppard
Ephiphany - Stranded for 6 months Sheppard ... OMG...has sex
Inferno - Rodney and Shep both flirt with Narina
Nothing else all season
Season 3 - Not a single woman throws themselves at Sheppard. He doesn't hit on anybody or act inappropriately.
Season 4 - Travelers - Larrin - yuck
Shep and McKay flirt with the Princesses in Harmony. Although it's McKay who doesn't want to leave.
Nothing else all season
Season 5 - Remnants - Shep flirts with botanist.
So far, nothing else all season.

I might be missing something but I'm sure you get the point. This idea of Sheppard's personality has been greatly exaggerated to the level where it kind of gets annoying. I think Shep's a good character and I know not everyone will agree with me. And I've never seen him treat any woman with disrespect.

I'm not the defender of Sheppard's honor in any sense of the word. He's not even my favorite character, but come on, nearly every female throwing themselves at him? I seriously think not. :)

:sheppard::mckay::teyla::ronan:

Wow, looking at it that way, Shep's been celibate since season 2!
He's a bit of a flirt, but so what? It never seems to get him anywhere! :)

:sheppard:

Lythisrose
November 18th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Wow, looking at it that way, Shep's been celibate since season 2!
He's a bit of a flirt, but so what? It never seems to get him anywhere. :)

:sheppard:
I agree, people took Rodney's comment 'bout Kirk to heart and ran with it, (and that wasn't even about women!). They are seriously stereotyping him just 'cause of his looks and position as the show's "action hero." It's not fair, I say, as Shep's seen a lot less action than good looking action heroes usually do, in fact, Rodney has gotten more lovin' than he has. ;)

bluealien
November 18th, 2008, 03:05 PM
I agree, people took Rodney's comment 'bout Kirk to heart and ran with it, (and that wasn't even about women!). They are seriously stereotyping him just 'cause of his looks and position as the show's "action hero." It's not fair, I say, as Shep's seen a lot less action than good looking action heroes usually do, in fact, Rodney has gotten more lovin' than he has. ;)

Amen to that.. and I never hear of anyone calling Rodney Kirk.. the whole Shep being Kirk is just getting old.. why is it so awful for the hot guy to have women interested in him, or for him to show interest in a woman, but it's no problem for the geek... sheesh.

And Woolsey spent the entire ep being seduced .. but again no problem with that....

Sorry... but the Shep Kirk thing has been done to death now and the guy is like a friggin monk.. in 5 years he's had sex ... once !!

Lythisrose
November 18th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Amen to that.. and I never hear of anyone calling Rodney Kirk.. the whole Shep being Kirk is just getting old.. why is it so awful for the hot guy to have women interested in him, or for him to show interest in a woman, but it's no problem for the geek... sheesh.

And Woolsey spent the entire ep being seduced .. but again no problem with that....

Sorry... but the Shep Kirk thing has been done to death now and the guy is like a friggin monk.. in 5 years he's had sex ... once !!

I kinda think the writers can't figure out what to do with the "handsome lead" - they write his responses to women as if he were a geek (or possibly how they would react?) i.e., he thinks dating a supermodel is cool, looks shocked when women find him attractive, gets taken in by Larrin, and has dopey pick-up lines like in Remnants that don't even get him the time of day. But in reality, if he were actually written as the hot hero guy, he'd be suavely romancing women right and left. I think this could be the writers revenge on the stereotype, who then give the real relationships to the Rodney's of the Stargate world. Again not fair to Shep!!!:(

Ruffles
November 18th, 2008, 03:51 PM
I agree, people took Rodney's comment 'bout Kirk to heart and ran with it, (and that wasn't even about women!). They are seriously stereotyping him just 'cause of his looks and position as the show's "action hero." It's not fair, I say, as Shep's seen a lot less action than good looking action heroes usually do, in fact, Rodney has gotten more lovin' than he has. ;)

The voice of reason! Thank you for that. I couldn't agree more.

Briangate78
November 18th, 2008, 04:42 PM
If there is a reason why the show needs to be burried and forgotten is that episode PRODIGAL.

Wow I thought "The Prodigal" was epic! The Prodigal was loved by a lot of fans here and will likely be a top 5 ep for the season for a lot of folks here as well. But it's all good, Hakuna Matata. ;)

nx01a
November 18th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Byte is just being Byte. :P
To be honest, when I saw the title 'Remnants', I was afraid it would end up being more appropriately titled 'Floaters'. Thankfully, it was a good episode.

Briangate78
November 18th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Byte is just being Byte. :P
To be honest, when I saw the title 'Remnants', I was afraid it would end up being more appropriately titled 'Floaters'. Thankfully, it was a good episode.

Remnants was a very creative written episode.

Jill_Ion
November 18th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Oh, I've enjoyed every episode this season apart from 'Outsiders', 'Tracker' and 'Whispers', and that's despite liking Carson [even as a clone:P]. It's sad that the clip show 'Inquisition' ranks higher than them for me. While we differ on 'Outsiders', the others you mentioned featured Wraith not running around the forest getting picked off like idiots by our heroes. They featured, well, Todd! And when Todd's around, the other Wraith seem to gain from his common sense. IMO, the episodes I really hated were filler that used the Wraith as the generic 'stupid, kill em easy' bad guys which they're NOT supposed to be.
The germ was a rare strain of a common pathogen because it had mutated in isolation on that planet for Ancients know how long. It was, if I remember correctly, very close to the original so the sensors didn't pick it up but different enough to cause serious problems for the MW natives.

I get where you're coming from, there may be some things that you can't find... but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't look for them anyway. The ZelenkAI pointed out that they'd 'barely scratched the surface' of their new... or old, by now, home. They know the dangers that they've faced on this planet and on Lantea. The smart thing, IMO, would be to scan the entire planet using every available sensor at your disposal... then have the Daedalus and Apollo do it, too! The work of scanning the planet would take two hours at the most between Rodney configuring the sensors and the actual scan, which was cut short in this episode.

What really annoyed me is that, despite the other disastrous encounters with native dangers on TWO worlds, Rodney simply doesn't care about scanning the planet. I realize that scanning the star and the entire system might be too much of a task, but still... Maybe it'll take Keller getting a brain parasite herself to make him realize that, maybe, those two hours won't be a waste after all.

Oh, I see what you mean. From S4, they had to pick a planet rather quickly, but I would've expected the expedition, not McKay specifically, to do scans of the planet. Once Atlantis dealt with the Replicators - or at the same time. McKay's not a botanist, xenobiologist, anthropologist, etc., so he wouldn't be directly involved with any scans. I think that's what they were trying to show with Remnants - that Atlantis was surveying the planet. I assume it had been happening, but since nothing "show worthy" had been found, they focused on the Team.

nx01a
November 18th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Brian... It wasn't your usual 'evil hallucinations' episode. Well, apart from the Shep torture thing.

nx01a
November 18th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Xenobotanical expeditions're great for 'kill Wraith/Genii in the woods' episodes. :P
From Rodney's attitude, he didn't have any intention of scanning the planet, so I doubt anyone else did, either. I realize Atlantis was exploring the mainland, but they did it backwards. Before they sent anyone to the mainland, the chief place they'd have to evacuate to if anything happened to the gate *coughLostTribecough*, they should have scanned it and the rest of the planet for, well, stuff. And it would only take 2 hours! After all the overt threats were ruled out, then send in the techies to pick berries and expound the virtues of chlorophyll. :)

Jill_Ion
November 18th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Yeah, you got a point there. :) Still, even though he's Head Science Guy (of his department?), I expect science stuff happens. McKay just doesn't care a lot unless there's cool alien tech or something that blows up. Kinda his speciality, eh? :mckay:

I don't know much about biology, but if someone (Shep) needs someone (me) to go on an overnight mission to the mainland, I can free up my schedule.

nx01a
November 18th, 2008, 09:12 PM
You've got to have dark hair, wear a tank top and shorts and boots. ;)

Rodney's resistance to even allowing someone else scan the planet was also most annoying.

hisg1fans
November 19th, 2008, 06:21 AM
Kept falling asleep. Tried to watch again, but kept falling asleep. Couldn't be bothered to try to 'firgure it out' early. Did catch lots of Woolsey though. He's becoming my favorite character, after Teyla.

volkster
November 19th, 2008, 10:54 AM
I really enjoyed the whole episode. especially the Zelenka spin at the end.

But, either I'm watching too much Sci-Fi or it's just hard to be original these days...

Didn't the whole Woolsey/hot Dr. "nobody can see me but you" thing make you think of BSG?

And when Sheppard was hanging from the cliff with his one hand, I couldn't help thinking, "Luke, accept your destiny and come to the Dark side."

And

Greenfire32
November 19th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Did anyone else notice how similar the alien's "true form" was to Ra's true form in the first Stargate movie. I always thought Ra could've been an Asgaurd or something, but this alien looks way more like him.

I'm not saying it IS the same alien species, just that it LOOKS more like it.

nx01a
November 19th, 2008, 08:35 PM
It's all in the generic and cliche Roswell Grey head.

Lythisrose
November 19th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Why would a silicon based lifeform look even vaguely humanoid, i.e., with spine, ribs, 2 arms, 2 legs in the standard positions, pelvis, mouth, eyes ears also standard location?
I guess it could, but I'd bet the value of my stock portfolio that it wouldn't even be close...

suse
November 19th, 2008, 09:06 PM
actually, there should have been seepage on the bandaged stump, even if they cauterized it.

but anyway, I loved the "Lorne warned me me about you" remark Sheppard made to Parrish, who is now playing Dr. Tesla on Sanctuary...

:) Taht was a funny quote.

I sooo didn't buy that Shep had his hand chopped off. He'd have been in shock. Instead, he (again!!) hung by his fingers over a long drop.:mckay: Real believable. (NOT!) Hiz Hewoness writing strikes again. :(

:D The Woolsey storyline was great. Though now Woolsey knows how Sam must have felt being jerked away like he almost was.

I liked that Zelenka was also the AI, I didn't see that twist. I did wonder in general a few times, he related to McKay a bit oddly. Sheesh, McKay is such a jerk. Sometimes it's funny, imo most times it's overdone.

suse

suse
November 19th, 2008, 09:11 PM
I really enjoyed the whole episode. especially the Zelenka spin at the end.

But, either I'm watching too much Sci-Fi or it's just hard to be original these days...

Didn't the whole Woolsey/hot Dr. "nobody can see me but you" thing make you think of BSG?

And when Sheppard was hanging from the cliff with his one hand, I couldn't help thinking, "Luke, accept your destiny and come to the Dark side."

And

Oh yeah, I was quoting SW all over the place last week and this...

suse

Jill_Ion
November 20th, 2008, 07:04 AM
You've got to have dark hair, wear a tank top and shorts and boots. ;)

Rodney's resistance to even allowing someone else scan the planet was also most annoying.

Oh darn! I'm a blonde and wouldn't be caught wearing shorts and boots at the same time. I do have a few cute tanktops though.

I see what you mean, but it's Rodney. Annoying is what he does best. (Said with love)

Jumper_One
November 21st, 2008, 05:55 AM
Belouchi writes: “[...] 3. Was Remnants the “a very special stargate episode” you were alluding to in the beginning of season 5?”

Answers: [...] 3. Nope, I was referring to Brain Storm which is our “green” episode. Having done my part for the environment, I can now enjoy my bottled water guilt-free.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/november-20-2008-tokyo-travel-spinning-stargate-universe-day-8-and-the-mailbag/

Aerilon
November 21st, 2008, 07:42 AM
So why John did not thinking how Genii were there? Genii did not have space ship and there was no gate.He did. He said something along the lines of 'How did you get here' did he not? Koyla simply didn't answer him, or changed the subject.. I could have sworn John asked though.

4EverFree
November 21st, 2008, 08:38 AM
I love how Sheppard didn't get any 'action'. "Just shut up and get in the jumper."

More to the point IMO, this was one of the best episodes of the season. Although Ronin and Teyla got a miniscule amount of screen time. I like how the three different threads came together at the end for punchline, kinda reminds me of Seinfeld. As much as I am uneasy about Woolsey, I think this episode served him well in terms of character development. ("You poached my private spot!" - hillarious). I would agree with earlier posts that the Sheppard self torture thread could have been explored a little more deeply. However I was a bit dissapointed to see Koyla reappear - I guess death is nonexistant.

Does anyone think we will see that AI again before the show wraps up?

Lord batchi ball
November 25th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Not a great episode, the whole time I was trying to figure out where the hell the Genii came from, even more confused when they said lets take a boat, well how the hell did you get here? Then when I found out I was rather disapointed

The one bright spot in this episode was Woozy, great development, finally a commander

Matt G
November 26th, 2008, 03:03 PM
1. Didn't call 'any' of the holograms till late on.

2. Thought they'd be able to surgically re-attach Shep's hand, thus solving that problem.

3. Stupid IOA.

4. Serakin storyline still came accross as slightly meh though.

A step down from last week

Orion25
December 30th, 2008, 07:17 AM
I reeled at a thought that Kolya did a Lazarus instead to find it was an AI doing it! Traumatic episode, I say or I was the one traumatized by the hacking off of the hand.

The hanging by the cliff was very Star Wars to me too. Woosley's part was okay.

This is could be spoiler-ish but to be on the safe side...

...too bad there wasn't any subplot in the following episodes where Sheppard was dealing the aftermath of that mind game. It seems after Heitmeyer (sp?)was gone, no counselor was assigned to Atlantis.

Falcon Horus
January 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM
Anna Galvin! Anna Galvin! Anna Galvin! Anna Galvin! Anna Galvin! *thud*

*does happy dance*

Anyway...

Remnants wasn't at all bad. Nothing spectacular either, not using Teyla or Ronon doesn't win you many points from me, but it wasn't at all bad.

I giggled a few times even.

Sheppard torturing himself with Kolya, that was interesting. Kinda tells you what goes on in his mind. That man is just way too fascinating, much more than say McKay in fact.

The subject was quite interesting, ethical question of taking the information and killing the species or leaving the data and making sure the aliens lived. Their true form was quite ... Asgard-looking like. You know the early versions anyway.

Might just make it into my season 5 top 5, which at this point is still quite empty.

jelgate
January 18th, 2009, 04:23 PM
*takes out notebook*
FH likes to thunk Anna Galvin. Will use for blackmail and bribes.

I had a simliar feeling about Remnants. It wasn't the best of S5 nor was it the worst. It was mildly enjoying. I find it somewhat a character building episode for Shepp and Woosley

Falcon Horus
January 18th, 2009, 04:24 PM
*takes out notebook*
FH likes to thunk Anna Galvin. Will use for blackmail and bribes.

:p

major davis
April 24th, 2009, 04:04 PM
ok ep. Kinda a let down for me

Sp!der
December 28th, 2009, 12:53 PM
the mckay part was kinda boring
the woolsey part was ok
but the shepperd part was predictable....

rushy
June 30th, 2010, 02:01 AM
The moment I saw Kolya I was :tealcanime51:

mrscopterdoc
October 9th, 2010, 10:43 AM
Remnants wasn't at all bad. Nothing spectacular either, not using Teyla or Ronon doesn't win you many points from me, but it wasn't at all bad.

I giggled a few times even.

Sheppard torturing himself with Kolya, that was interesting. Kinda tells you what goes on in his mind. That man is just way too fascinating, much more than say McKay in fact.

The subject was quite interesting, ethical question of taking the information and killing the species or leaving the data and making sure the aliens lived. Their true form was quite ... Asgard-looking like. You know the early versions anyway.
I agree. Teyla and Ronon seem to have dissappeared for the most part this season. A few brief shining moments here and there just do not count. :(

I wish they had explored the "torturing himself" a bit more for Sheppard....

Woolsey is great as always. I couldn't stand him on SG1, and love him here. So weird.

This probably makes my top 5 for the season also.

Linda06
October 9th, 2010, 02:50 PM
I still haven't seen this ep. It's not on my to watch list :p I don't feel like watching Shep getting whumped for the 5,683,291th time ;)

Yes I just made that number up :p

mrscopterdoc
October 9th, 2010, 03:46 PM
I'm not a whumper at all, and it was okay. But I like that made up number :P

Falcon Horus
October 9th, 2010, 04:09 PM
I still haven't seen this ep. It's not on my to watch list :p I don't feel like watching Shep getting whumped for the 5,683,291th time ;)

Yes I just made that number up :p

I don't think you're too far off the actual number... :p

This is the only episode (not even Kate H. managed this) where I had to start all over timing Woolsey's time on screen because I got totally distracted by Anna Galvin as the AI/alien. :p

Linda06
October 10th, 2010, 06:35 AM
I'm not a whumper at all, and it was okay. But I like that made up number :P

:rolleyes: You Shep thunker you :p


I don't think you're too far off the actual number... :p

This is the only episode (not even Kate H. managed this) where I had to start all over timing Woolsey's time on screen because I got totally distracted by Anna Galvin as the AI/alien. :p

I think it was closer to 5,223,291 ;)

:eek: You? Distracted by a beautiful woman? Well I never ;)

Falcon Horus
October 10th, 2010, 06:42 AM
:eek: You? Distracted by a beautiful woman? Well I never ;)

:p

mrscopterdoc
October 10th, 2010, 03:02 PM
:rolleyes: You Shep thunker you :p

guilty as charged :lol:

maneth
March 14th, 2011, 11:28 AM
Loved this one. Seen lots of the whump pix but great to finally see the episode. Fun to see Kolya again, even if he was a hallucination. :p The best bit was when Rodney realized Zelenka had been a hallucination too. :lol:

Blizzah
July 19th, 2011, 05:34 AM
The best bit was when Rodney realized Zelenka had been a hallucination too. :lol:

This was probably the best part of the episode. As for the rest, I found the Woolsey story very tired. The IOA does not interest me and the power struggle to run Atlantis is not that interesting. I find a lot of the bureaucrats in the IOA dreadful to watch and absolutely annoying.

hedwig
December 11th, 2011, 11:47 AM
I found it interesting to discover that Woolsey was either appropriated for himself (or been assigned) the "penthouse suite". Especially so when neither Elizabeth or Sam got anything like that. I guess working for the IOA has its perks?

He also apparently got an allowance to bring a far greater amount of personal stuff than the rest of the expedition, given that the bookshelves in his office are lined with law books. And that many would be quite heavy (I know, since I've packed and unpacked many boxes of law books). Just because he's now the leader of the expedition doesn't merit this sort of special treatment.

PuddleJumper1
October 7th, 2012, 04:47 PM
This had an interesting story line but, as much as I though Kolya was a fantastic bad guy, he was what you'd call overdone. It was one of those Apophis moments when you wondered when the guy was going to die! I felt like they were groping for reasons to bring old stuff back when we love new stuff! Neveretheless I liked the teensy tinsy tidbit on Sheppard.

It was also such a Star Wars moment when Sheppard was hanging over the cliff with only one hand. Anyone remember Anakin doing the same thing in episode III?

Woolsey's conversations with the AI while Chen was there and when Keller was there were pretty hilarious, and it completely caught me off-guard when they revealed Zelenka!

Plus I got my cousin to watch it with me after I'd seen it totally got her to believe they writers really, truly, actually cut Sheppard's hand off 'cause she's gullible like that. :P

Well enough episode as far as season five went.

Falcon Horus
October 8th, 2012, 01:22 PM
Mmmm.... the one episode that managed to get me distracted while timing screentime... all thanks to Anna Galvin (playing the AI). *thunk*

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 19th, 2012, 03:57 PM
Average episode.

Good to see Kolya, even though he was an illusion.

Monday, our best real-life scientists (including Bill Nye) make an appearance.

Krisz
October 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
Quite an engaging episode in the end.

Whilst it used the same idea of a civilisation saving its knowledge and the genetic material to re populate their species on a suitable world as in SG-1's 'Between Two Fires', this race was less drastic in its approach! OK, so it was psychological trauma instead of physical. It was interesting how the AI of this particular race appeals to the sense of justice and mercy it noted in the humans after testing them in various scenarios.

These scenarios were fascinating, made more so by not knowing who was really the victim of them. Woolsey was wonderful as ever, he really cared about his work on Atlantis and didn't want to go. Loved how the alien AI gave the scheming IOA woman a taste of her own medicine, fooling her into playing the political game to unwittingly keep Woolsey in his position as the leader of the Atlantis expedition.

A great moment of two totally alien species working to help eachother out.

Matt G
October 26th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Midweek, another ep of Atlantis...

1. A very wierd ep to rewatch.

2. Woolsey still isolated?

3. 'Kolya' made Shep sound too much like me!

OK ep.

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 31st, 2012, 02:45 AM
Boring ep.

Woolsey the loner.

Good to finally see an Aussie on Atlantis. Sort of anyway.

Sheppard getting tortured by Kolya was cool.

jelgate
November 3rd, 2012, 05:30 PM
Good idea but bad execution. The notion of a probe containg an alien species is a science fiction cliche. For the most part it works. The scenes between Woosley and the lovely Anna Glavin (That was for you FH) work. I think it is what prevents this episode from being a total failure. I like the interaction of the two as Woosley deals with IOA bureacracy and the Sekkari craft and the ethics that go along with it. What does not make sense is Sheppherd. He should have known better some of the things Koyla said not make sense. Thier is no way he could be alive let alone infiltrate Atlantis the way he claimed too. It just lacks any rational sense. And finally the McKay story. I thought it was hilarious that he imagined Zelenka but other than that I'm drawing a blank. Finally I find it hard to believe the writers couldn't find a way to incorporate Teyla and Ronon

Lythisrose
February 11th, 2013, 08:39 PM
From Joe Mallozzi's Blog (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/february-9-2013-more-from-the-akemi-fall-2013-collection-days-of-stargate-atlantis-past-remnants/):


Continuing our stroll down SGA memory lane with one of my favorites…
Photo of Sheppard captured by Kolya (http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/161.jpg)

REMNANTS (515)

This one was a personal favorite for several reasons. It offered action, humor, surprises and, best of all, genuinely heart-felt character moments brilliantly conveyed by our amazing cast and guest stars. It was also a bit of a ***** to write and, as such, incredibly satisfying to finish, a fairly complex script that required a proper balancing act of three seemingly separate storylines – and their ultimate convergence at episode’s end. My fellow Exec Producer, Carl Binder, considered it my best script of the show’s fifth season. My other fellow Exec Producers, however, weren’t quite as enamored. Rob Cooper felt it was “too literary” (which I thought was a nice compliment until I realized it was actually a criticism). He, and Exec Producer Martin Gero, also felt I was way too rough on our hero, Sheppard. My writing partner, Paul, meanwhile, had only one real objection – and that was the chopping off of Sheppard’s hand, for both creative and production reasons. Yes, I agree that Sheppard does suffer greatly but I argue it’s fine because, at the end of the day, it’s all in his head. Also, the Shep-whumpers reaaaallly needed this one!

Just so much to say about this episode – and I already have. Some Remnants-related past blog entries you might want to check out:

November 15, 2008: The Remnants Write-up (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/november-15-2008-the-remnants-write-up/) - In which I offer some insight into my inspiration for this script (Harvey and a desire to complete Richard Woolsey’s rehabilitation from pencil-pushing suit to lovable Commander) as well as behind the scene photos and a breakdown of some of the scenes, beats, and dialogues that didn’t make the final cut.

July 22, 2008: Remnants Day #1 (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/july-21-2008-remnants-day-1/) Behind the scene pics in Woolsey’s quarters.

July 23, 2008: Burgers then Back on the Program then Remnants Day #2 (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/july-23-2008-burgers-then-back-on-the-program-then-remnants-day-2/) Behind the scene pics of the McKay/Zelenka scenes.

JT-2
February 12th, 2013, 04:23 PM
Thanks, Lythisrose!

I'm still bitter they cut the lines about John's mother and Elizabeth. http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n635/mathgirl1248/Stargate%20Atlantis/Atlantis%20smilies/sheppard58.gif

Cluas
February 26th, 2013, 06:12 AM
This was average. But a good ending when McKay finds out about Zelenka.
Really didn't like to see Koyla again, we all knew he died. And so, first I thought, no no no the writers have pulled another "Carson" ...
:lol:

Alpaca
March 3rd, 2013, 12:25 AM
It was tiresome seeing Kolya again. Maybe I missed something here, but what was the AI's intention on toying with Sheppard? He was going to stay on there overnight anyway so he won't be in the way...unless the AI anticipated the issue would last longer than that. But nevertheless, I thought it was just an excuse to bring back Kolya for another ep. I was like this guy just won't die although it did cross my mind that it was odd that he was able to survive a fatal shot.

Rosehawk
March 3rd, 2013, 08:18 AM
I think the AI saw Shepard as a threat that could ruin the plan, It didn't want to take any chances so it was best to keep Shepard preoccupied so he couldn't check in with Atlantis. Bringing something to Atlantis that was pulled from the ocean, would have been a strong pull for Shepard to check it out to be sure it wasn't a threat to Atlantis.

Nikki Alexander
March 16th, 2013, 08:23 AM
WHOA, I was not expecting that, did that really happen. I'm watching this episode right now, but happened to notice mention of hallucinations. I think I should finish the episode.

OK, that episode was...well weird, I'm not sure what to think of it. I was totally convinced that everything that happened with John on the mainland was real and that he'd really had his hand chopped off.

I loved his comment though '' Lorne warned me about this ''

Baron Of Hell
September 12th, 2013, 02:07 AM
I liked this episode. Shep part had me fooled. I was thinking the episode would be better if they stuck to one story and it actually was one story. It all made for a enjoyable episode at the end.

yukin1990
May 29th, 2015, 10:48 AM
This episode actually more complicated than it seem. It is an interesting episode!!!
Here is what i understand:
Firstly, the Sekkari artificial intelligence using form Zelenka:zelenka: to inform Mckay:mckayanime09: to savage the Sekkari seed carrier.
Secondly, the A.I. using Kolya to preoccupied John Sheppard:sheppard33::sheppardanime32: to prevent him endanger the seed carrier.
Thirdly, the A.I. using form of Dr. Vanessa Conrad to communicate with Woolsey and explain the intention and help the pod to achieve its objective.
The Pod using a form of radiation that could cause mass hallucinations but it can also serve as a means of communication between two very different species.
Personal side note:
So Woolsey look so smitten around Dr. Vanessa Conrad!!!:love:Looks like he have a thing for Aussie!!!:lol:
He looks so hilarious when the Sekkari artificial intelligence explain using form of Doctor Vanessa Conrad because of his "physical manifestation of your subconscious romantic and sexual ideals."

Davey
February 27th, 2019, 05:23 PM
I am totally confused. When did the device with the Artificial Intelligence begin operating on everybody on Atlantis, and why did "she" say she was a figment of Woolsey's imagination when she was an actual entity created by and for the Sekkari?
More than that, what exactly is the relationship between the Ancients and their seedings and that of the Sekkari?
And what is now supposed to be the timing for the awakening of the device and the billions of seeding beings in the device that purely coincidentally were reactivated when Zelenka decided to search the ocean floor?
And did it have anything to do with Woolsey's evaluation?