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Col.Jack
November 1st, 2008, 06:50 AM
This episode is very similar to the SG1 episode prisoners where General Hammond goes through the gate to negotiate for SG-1's release, in this case it is Woolsey that goes through.
this is not the first re-used plotline either.

MacGyverInSpace
November 1st, 2008, 06:54 AM
I can't believe they made two episodes with both a Stargate, a trial of a captured team and a negotiator from home base coming to their aid!
Someone less lazy list the differences.

All debts have now been reused.

kymeric
November 1st, 2008, 06:56 AM
This episode is very similar to the SG1 episode prisoners where General Hammond goes through the gate to negotiate for SG-1's release, in this case it is Woolsey that goes through.
this is not the first re-used plotline either.

I dont see you writing anything better? Unless im wrong, wut shows are you writing so i can see if any of their plots can be called recycled.

stargatefan234
November 1st, 2008, 06:59 AM
havent seen inquisition yet but,

Prisoners deals with SG1's escape from a prison, and Hammond just happens to go negotiate for there release, the story wouldn't have lost anything if Hammond didn't go.

Where as in inquisition, it all about the trial,

if your going to compare it to an episode compare it to Politics or Disclosure.

jelgate
November 1st, 2008, 07:20 AM
You have to be kidding me. That was a minor minor part of Prisioners. People will do almost anything to yell rehash

stargatefan234
November 1st, 2008, 07:43 AM
You have to be kidding me. That was a minor minor part of Prisioners. People will do almost anything to yell rehash

Thank You.

omgpix
November 1st, 2008, 03:12 PM
I dont see you writing anything better? Unless im wrong, wut shows are you writing so i can see if any of their plots can be called recycled.
Is the episode so horrible that you cannot logically defend it and have to resort to ad hominem? :)

Jackie
November 1st, 2008, 05:45 PM
This episode is very similar to the SG1 episode prisoners where General Hammond goes through the gate to negotiate for SG-1's release, in this case it is Woolsey that goes through.
this is not the first re-used plotline either.

You sound surprised. Recycled plots is a stargate specialty.


I dont see you writing anything better? Unless im wrong, wut shows are you writing so i can see if any of their plots can be called recycled.

I've seen fan fics that are better!!!! So, yes....regular, everyday people can write better. Just imagine how much better stagate would be if the professionals wrote professionally!

Giantevilhead
November 1st, 2008, 06:06 PM
The writers had always wanted to do an episode where SG-1 was judged for their crimes. I think they originally wanted it to be a trial held by the Aschen and an Asgard was going to be the judge.

Jack_Bauer
November 1st, 2008, 06:12 PM
The Asurans were a reused plotline, the Asgard were a reused plotline, this was not a reused plotline.

woodybb
November 1st, 2008, 08:03 PM
who cares if they reused a storyline or not, Inquisition is a clip ep, that is the absolute bottom rung in lazy script writting. Maybe that wasted 40mins could be given back to me in clip form

jelgate
November 1st, 2008, 08:13 PM
Actually its more money saving then lazyiness.

Col.Jack
November 2nd, 2008, 01:30 AM
You sound surprised. Recycled plots is a stargate specialty.



I've seen fan fics that are better!!!! So, yes....regular, everyday people can write better. Just imagine how much better stagate would be if the professionals wrote professionally!


Thankyou!

jenks
November 2nd, 2008, 03:12 AM
The Asurans were a reused plotline, the Asgard were a reused plotline, this was not a reused plotline.

When have those storylines ever been used before?

mckay's momma
November 2nd, 2008, 09:33 AM
When have those storylines ever been used before?



They killed off the Asgard, now we see them again in Atlantis - reusing an established race/characters. They also kind of made the Peguses Agards like the Loki from the milky way, something that was dealt with a lot better on SG1. Turning the Asgards into villians was a mistake, they can't let them go - which makes it look like they (TPTB) have no originality and Atlantis is suffering for it.

The only original thing in Atlantis is the Wraith, and even then, they are just vampires in space, with a dice of Goa'uld thrown in for good measure. As a whole the whole series is crumbling, and I keep watching only hoping that they can get back to the glory days.

R.I.P ATLANTIS

jenks
November 2nd, 2008, 10:18 AM
Reusing characters and races, or even themes isn't the same as reusing plotlines. As far as I can remember we've never had arcs involving a group like the Pegasus Asgard, or replicators trying to ascend. I don't know why people are complaining really, tying the new race into established mythology is more creative than coming up with an entirely new race, anyone could do that...

Jackie
November 2nd, 2008, 10:24 AM
Though I agree using the Asgard is NOT a plot rehash and using old characters do not make it a rehash, many eps are infact rehashed.

Inquisition was a rehash of an old stagate ep where Hammond had to defend SG-1 in a bunch of clips. can't get much more rehashed than that.

If you look at the SGA plots and compare them to older SG-1 plots you will find many are essentially rehashed sg-1 plot lines.

jenks
November 2nd, 2008, 10:30 AM
You can do the same with Stargate and Dr Who though, or Star Trek, and a load of other episodic scifi shows, I don't think it strictly means they're rip-offs. There are just only so many stories you can tell, especially when it's not a character driven show.

Naonak
November 2nd, 2008, 10:30 AM
Inquisition was a rehash of an old stagate ep where Hammond had to defend SG-1 in a bunch of clips. can't get much more rehashed than that.
Really? Had SG-1 been arrested/kidnapped by another planet and put on trial for their supposed crimes against the galaxy, threatened with exile?

No? Didn't think so.


If you look at the SGA plots and compare them to older SG-1 plots you will find many are essentially rehashed sg-1 plot lines.
... I'm gonna go for it...

Such as? (aside from The Intruder, which they pretty much admitted in the episode itself)

Jackie
November 2nd, 2008, 01:08 PM
Really? Had SG-1 been arrested/kidnapped by another planet and put on trial for their supposed crimes against the galaxy, threatened with exile?

No? Didn't think so.


... I'm gonna go for it...

Such as? (aside from The Intruder, which they pretty much admitted in the episode itself)


Let's not forget The Last Man. These are recent eps, but yes they are rehashed eps.

Now, there is nothing wrong with rehashing an ep. Matter of fact there is no such thing as an original idea. Every idea is a rehash but tptb are so bad at it you can actually tie it to the ep they rehashed.

Now you can turn your sarcasm off.

Naonak
November 2nd, 2008, 03:48 PM
Let's not forget The Last Man.
... I don't see it.


Now, there is nothing wrong with rehashing an ep. Matter of fact there is no such thing as an original idea. Every idea is a rehash but tptb are so bad at it you can actually tie it to the ep they rehashed.
I can't. Ah well... Ignorance is bliss. :p


Now you can turn your sarcasm off.
Never!

Jackie
November 2nd, 2008, 04:18 PM
... I don't see it.


I can't. Ah well... Ignorance is bliss. :p


Never!

The last man took the spin from 1969 but instead of going to the past they went forward. Over all the plot missed the mark. Dooms day and gloom if sheppard never came back. Blah, clich'e!

It would have been far more interesting, IMO, if sheppard only went 40 years into the future and met the grown version of teyla's son. Who would have ended up helping him return to stop Micheal from gaining more power and save his mother.

But instead of a Torren driven plot we had Rodney's horrible life and make a wish.

The whole "what went wrong" could have been explained in five minutes instead of the entire ep.

A wasted opertunity to really explain why Torren (sp?) was key to Micheal's grand plans. It also would have been more interesting if Torren was raised by Micheal and thought his mother was murdered by Sheppard. Then finds out the truth from Sheppard.

Anyways, tptb really dropped the ball on continuing the arc.

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2008, 04:29 PM
The last man took the spin from 1969 but instead of going to the past they went forward. Over all the plot missed the mark. Dooms day and gloom if sheppard never came back. Blah, clich'e!


The Last Man took an average SCI FI theme and they made it their own through the Characters. Likely one of the most original season finales of Stargate in the longest time. Was it the best? No but it was one of the better ones.

fumblesmcstupid
November 2nd, 2008, 05:27 PM
I think about the very first written down story of Gilgehmesh and Enkido and think wow that is original!

Then you have the folk tales and mythology and the like genre.

There are only so many story ideas out there. Once in a while the stories are so great that you forget that there are just a few premises to work with!

Boy meets girl! b/g fall in love! You take the same idea and then you ..write the Matrix B/G meet only it's not real bla bla bla.. or you make it boy/boy or girl/girl.

Mitchell82
November 4th, 2008, 08:42 AM
You have to be kidding me. That was a minor minor part of Prisioners. People will do almost anything to yell rehash

I'd green you if I could. You are 100% correct the only similarity to Prisoners is that this involved a prison that's it.