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Slyke
October 26th, 2008, 10:11 AM
What was with the ending? Smoking Cigars and drinking? I thought that was a bit out of character for both of them...

Flyboy
October 26th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Not especially. Smoking cigerettes? Maybe.

But a cigar (rightly or wrongly) has long been viewed as something to be smoked in celebration. Militaries, at least the British and American militaries are particularly fond of them. In the Royal Air Force it was traditional to smoke a cigar after a formal dinner whilst heckling "Mr. Vice" (till the smoking ban), and of course, the American forces love of cigars is equally famous. Consequently, though it surprised me, it comes as no major shock that Sheppard enjoys a cigar every now and then. As for Woolsey, considering the kind of person he is, someone who loves the "finer things in life", lives in suits, loves a good stiff drink, then I am not at all surprised that he enjoys cigars.

The alcohol? Well, let's recall Rising, Weir and Sheppard enjoyed a bottle of champagne, and I think the fact that Woolsey's drink is a Whiskey or Brandy is much more telling of his character, just as Jack O'Neill drinking a beer is telling of his.

Hermiiod
October 26th, 2008, 10:53 AM
'Boojah!' for drugs and alcohol brought into SGA!

Cronus
October 26th, 2008, 10:59 AM
Just think Alan Shore and Denny Crane after a good court case ;)

marty2006
October 26th, 2008, 02:56 PM
'Boojah!' for drugs and alcohol brought into SGA!

Alcohol is a drug also. :)

Celesto
October 26th, 2008, 03:05 PM
one or another bottle in a time is not unhealthy

unluckynumber11
October 26th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Not especially. Smoking cigerettes? Maybe.

But a cigar (rightly or wrongly) has long been viewed as something to be smoked in celebration. Militaries, at least the British and American militaries are particularly fond of them. In the Royal Air Force it was traditional to smoke a cigar after a formal dinner whilst heckling "Mr. Vice" (till the smoking ban), and of course, the American forces love of cigars is equally famous. Consequently, though it surprised me, it comes as no major shock that Sheppard enjoys a cigar every now and then. As for Woolsey, considering the kind of person he is, someone who loves the "finer things in life", lives in suits, loves a good stiff drink, then I am not at all surprised that he enjoys cigars.

The alcohol? Well, let's recall Rising, Weir and Sheppard enjoyed a bottle of champagne, and I think the fact that Woolsey's drink is a Whiskey or Brandy is much more telling of his character, just as Jack O'Neill drinking a beer is telling of his.

don't forget his omelet that has his "secret ingredient" ;)

parsnip2009
October 26th, 2008, 06:55 PM
I felt the ending was great, nice to see woolsey dressed to the max!

fallenexile452
October 26th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Just think Alan Shore and Denny Crane after a good court case ;)

Haha! My dad said exactly the same thing.

EvenstarSRV
October 26th, 2008, 07:59 PM
I personally found it rather odd that Sheppard and Woolsey were celebrating, since they didn't exactly win the 'trial', they bought off a judge.

P-51D Mustang
October 29th, 2008, 06:19 PM
The alcohol? Well, let's recall Rising, Weir and Sheppard enjoyed a bottle of champagne, and I think the fact that Woolsey's drink is a Whiskey or Brandy is much more telling of his character, just as Jack O'Neill drinking a beer is telling of his.

Jack 6 pack

Jill_Ion
October 29th, 2008, 07:47 PM
I personally found it rather odd that Sheppard and Woolsey were celebrating, since they didn't exactly win the 'trial', they bought off a judge.

I didn't get it as totally "WooHoo! We Won!" celebrating, just positively acknowledging the Team didn't get banished and there's a chance for Atlantis to have a role in the Coalition.

EvenstarSRV
October 30th, 2008, 07:05 AM
I didn't get it as totally "WooHoo! We Won!" celebrating, just positively acknowledging the Team didn't get banished and there's a chance for Atlantis to have a role in the Coalition.

I agree they should have been happy they got out of the whole thing, but Woolsey didn't seem to thrilled about having to participate in the Coalition.

I guess I just felt that Sheppard and Woolsey seemed too content and unfazed by what was brought up in the 'trial'. This being the last season, I'm looking to see a bit more reflection by the characters, especially after an episode where so many of their past mistakes or missteps were brought up.

I would have liked to see Sheppard and Woolsey really discuss the impact Atlantis has had on the Pegasus galaxy, good and bad. It could have even been a chance for Sheppard to reference his experience from The Last Man, where so much did go wrong in part because Atlantis scaled back its operations.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
October 30th, 2008, 08:18 AM
I'm very impressionable and now that I've saw this I'm gonna start drinking and smoking.

unluckynumber11
October 30th, 2008, 09:51 AM
What was with the ending? Smoking Cigars and drinking? I thought that was a bit out of character for both of them...

have you ever seen law and order? at the end of each trial the procescutors would usually go to a bar to either celebrate or just to think abouit the verdict.

Jill_Ion
October 30th, 2008, 12:15 PM
I agree they should have been happy they got out of the whole thing, but Woolsey didn't seem to thrilled about having to participate in the Coalition.

I guess I just felt that Sheppard and Woolsey seemed too content and unfazed by what was brought up in the 'trial'. This being the last season, I'm looking to see a bit more reflection by the characters, especially after an episode where so many of their past mistakes or missteps were brought up.

I would have liked to see Sheppard and Woolsey really discuss the impact Atlantis has had on the Pegasus galaxy, good and bad. It could have even been a chance for Sheppard to reference his experience from The Last Man, where so much did go wrong in part because Atlantis scaled back its operations.

I think if they knew it was the last season when they wrote it, they might've been more reflective. I agree it would be interesting to see Shep and Woolsey (or the Team) discuss Atlantis' impact.


I'm very impressionable and now that I've saw this I'm gonna start drinking and smoking.

You crazy, impressionable Jedi Master! LOL! :)

silvercomet
October 30th, 2008, 03:09 PM
I felt a little uncomfortable with this ending. Maybe because I'm not used to such things with SGA. It seemed a little strange. Just too much. Not deep enough for the subject of this ep.

There are episodes with much better endings IMO.

Hong3103
October 30th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Not especially. Smoking cigerettes? Maybe.

But a cigar (rightly or wrongly) has long been viewed as something to be smoked in celebration. Militaries, at least the British and American militaries are particularly fond of them. In the Royal Air Force it was traditional to smoke a cigar after a formal dinner whilst heckling "Mr. Vice" (till the smoking ban), and of course, the American forces love of cigars is equally famous. Consequently, though it surprised me, it comes as no major shock that Sheppard enjoys a cigar every now and then. As for Woolsey, considering the kind of person he is, someone who loves the "finer things in life", lives in suits, loves a good stiff drink, then I am not at all surprised that he enjoys cigars.

The alcohol? Well, let's recall Rising, Weir and Sheppard enjoyed a bottle of champagne, and I think the fact that Woolsey's drink is a Whiskey or Brandy is much more telling of his character, just as Jack O'Neill drinking a beer is telling of his.

Agreed... it's common for military members to light cigars in celebration. I know I did. I smoked quite a few Cubans after a long 12 hour shift when I was over in Kuwait/Iraq.

Pic
October 30th, 2008, 04:48 PM
I'm very impressionable and now that I've saw this I'm gonna start drinking and smoking.

*snort

Anyway, I'll agree with folks. It was a rather odd scene.