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FallenAngelII
October 20th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Or rather, what the hell is wrong with the writers?! Yes, yes, the Wraith are useless as enemies and less intimidating than a parked car, we know, we know, but do they have to keep on nerfing them by the episode?

Carson was standing right there, in plain view, without cover, firing wildly and somehow hitting all of the enemy Wraith with just a shot or two per Wraith. Meanwhile, he took down, what, 6-7+ while they all missed him... somehow.

No cover, plain sight, one man...

This is ridiculous. It wasn't even a tense battle situation, what with Carson continuously stunning the useless enemies. We knew from the very first 5 seconds he wasn't going to be hit, so really, it was just another episode where the Wraith were taken down yet another notch.

The Wraith vs. A Parked Car - let the death match begin.

Laura Dove
October 20th, 2008, 12:06 PM
Carson was standing right there, in plain view, without cover, firing wildly and somehow hitting all of the enemy Wraith with just a shot or two. Meanwhile, he took down, what, 6-7+ while they all missed him... somehow.

You forget all the time BEFORE he started firing at them... Time during which he was nicely discussing with McKay, and the warriors didn't even try to make a run towards them! :lol:

g.o.d
October 20th, 2008, 12:08 PM
wraith are suffering the very same fate as the Ori and Assurans...they've become funny idiots with no brains

naamiaiset
October 20th, 2008, 12:12 PM
That isn't the only thing that "dumbed down" wraith even further. For instance...

1. The commander feeding on Carson and dying - shouldn't he be wiser than that, given the fate of his former scientist?

2. Wraith looks down, picks up device, 'what's this?' *cave collapses* The device even has "C4" written on it. :rolleyes:

And why are wraith still letting humans run amok on their ships? Especially Lanteans. I'll never be convinced that a few humans on a hive, possibly filled by hundreds of armed wraith, can escape every time.

Laura Dove
October 20th, 2008, 12:22 PM
1. The commander feeding on Carson and dying - shouldn't he be wiser than that, given the fate of his former scientist?

Considering the Hoffan drug has a good chance to kill the human who takes it, it was not too stupid of him to believe Beckett would never have taken that risk himself. It's rather safe to assume that none of the Atlanteans has the drug inside him; except he Commander probably didn't know that this man was not the "original" doctor but a clone made by Michael.


2. Wraith looks down, picks up device, 'what's this?' *cave collapses* The device even has "C4" written on it. :rolleyes:

Oh my, I had forgotten this one... :rolleyes:


And why are wraith still letting humans run amok on their ships? Especially Lanteans. I'll never be convinced that a few humans on a hive, possibly filled by hundreds of armed wraith, can escape every time.

Funny how they always run into patrols on hive ships, except this time, heh?

Lythisrose
October 20th, 2008, 12:41 PM
One thing I was a bit confused about was when Carson and Rodney blasted their way out of the Commander's room they shot two guards.
When the other faced Wraith came to check there were two guards standing in front of the door again.
When those two new guards got there, they either didn't notice the two who had been blasted lying on the floor, or they didn't notice that someone should have been standing there in the first place?

Or were these the same ones who got blasted and they were just guarding "the crime scene" so to speak. :confused:

Shpinxinator
October 20th, 2008, 12:45 PM
Wraith looks down, picks up device, 'what's this?' *cave collapses* The device even has "C4" written on it. :rolleyes:.

in all fairness theres no reason a wraith should recognize C4

garhkal
October 20th, 2008, 01:03 PM
True dat... those who would, are dead!

naamiaiset
October 20th, 2008, 01:06 PM
in all fairness theres no reason a wraith should recognize C4
why wouldn't they? wraith surely know what explosives are, at least, I would think so. :confused:

Quadhelix
October 20th, 2008, 01:16 PM
why wouldn't they? wraith surely know what explosives are, at least, I would think so. :confused: The Wraith know what explosives are, and indeed have been shown both to have a form of grenade and "self-destruct" weaponry to prevent their capture, but the fact remains that the Wraith have, most likely, never encountered any form of plastic explosive before the Atlantis Expedition arrived, as most civilizations in Pegasus are too primitive to produce such weapons and the Wraith, themselves, use far more advanced explosives. Given the small numbers involved with the Atlantis Expedition, their recentness of their arrival, and the rarity of survivors from C4 blasts, there is no reason to believe that the Wraith would have common knowledge that C4 is an explosive.

dasNdanger
October 20th, 2008, 01:32 PM
The Wraith vs. A Parked Car - let the death match begin.

Hey, but even a parked car can look sexy. Cases in point:


Example #1:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/dasNdanger/gto2.jpg

Example #2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/dasNdanger/easyrider.jpg

*sigh*


das

P-90_177
October 20th, 2008, 01:32 PM
not to mention even if the wraith know about c4....chances are they wouldn't call it c4.

MIZA
October 20th, 2008, 01:41 PM
Or rather, what the hell is wrong with the writers?! Yes, yes, the Wraith are useless as enemies and less intimidating than a parked car, we know, we know, but do they have to keep on nerfing them by the episode?

Carson was standing right there, in plain view, without cover, firing wildly and somehow hitting all of the enemy Wraith with just a shot or two per Wraith. Meanwhile, he took down, what, 6-7+ while they all missed him... somehow.

No cover, plain sight, one man...

This is ridiculous. It wasn't even a tense battle situation, what with Carson continuously stunning the useless enemies. We knew from the very first 5 seconds he wasn't going to be hit, so really, it was just another episode where the Wraith were taken down yet another notch.

The Wraith vs. A Parked Car - let the death match begin.

well i haven't seen the episode yet, but i am sure that is the same reason why the show is being cancelled?

Ouroboros
October 20th, 2008, 01:53 PM
The Wraith vs. A Parked Car - let the death match begin.

Has the parked car been freshly waxed, because that's just totally unfair if it has.

Come on.

GoSpikey
October 20th, 2008, 03:23 PM
wraith are suffering the very same fate as the Ori and Assurans...they've become funny idiots with no brains

Hey, that's still more than you... :P


What? You expected me to let that one go? :o

jenks
October 20th, 2008, 03:27 PM
The hero shield thwarts all enemies, you should know that by now. Heh.

The_DrRodneyMckay
October 20th, 2008, 03:29 PM
2. Wraith looks down, picks up device, 'what's this?' *cave collapses* The device even has "C4" written on it. :rolleyes:


Why would they know what C4 means

naamiaiset
October 20th, 2008, 03:57 PM
The Wraith know what explosives are, and indeed have been shown both to have a form of grenade and "self-destruct" weaponry to prevent their capture, but the fact remains that the Wraith have, most likely, never encountered any form of plastic explosive before the Atlantis Expedition arrived, as most civilizations in Pegasus are too primitive to produce such weapons and the Wraith, themselves, use far more advanced explosives. Given the small numbers involved with the Atlantis Expedition, their recentness of their arrival, and the rarity of survivors from C4 blasts, there is no reason to believe that the Wraith would have common knowledge that C4 is an explosive.
true. I just figured since they're so advanced, that they'd comprehend (and/or gradually figure out) what C4 is. not to mention, explosive is written on the device.


not to mention even if the wraith know about c4....chances are they wouldn't call it c4.

Why would they know what C4 means
so I was mistaken... sue me. :p


The hero shield thwarts all enemies, you should know that by now. Heh.
:lol:

Gatz
October 20th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Why would they know what C4 means

Well, it might be that I'm just smarter than the average, but I think it's pretty deductible since the word "Explosive" is written just below.
http://i37.tinypic.com/1z15myw.jpg
But aren't they supposed to be like super smart? (Maybe they don't get it because the first E is covered? who knows)

Besides, it is widely known that blinking lights mean explosion (self destruct if it is accompanied by beeping)


By the way, I LOVE LOVE LOVE how stupid Becket looks while shooting, it seems he's doing some exercise.

dasNdanger
October 20th, 2008, 04:12 PM
It's official. The Wraith aren't evolved from the Iratus bug, they are really evolved from:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/dasNdanger/wileE2.jpg

:mckay:


das

I_haz_a_Cookie
October 20th, 2008, 10:07 PM
ok, what i dont understand is how the atlantis team can figure out blinking lights on any sort of device usually means its a explosive,

For example in the "defiant one" episode john used wriath nades that blinked to show that something was about to explode right, And vest on wriath warriors that blink and go BOOM. I just dont get how the wriath can not come to a conclusion that any sort of blinking lights on a small hand held device is not a explosive like come on, especially when they created device(vest, nades) that blink before they explode

Callie
October 21st, 2008, 04:52 AM
Last time I checked, Wraith couldn't read English ... :)

Admittedly, the red flashing light might have been a warning, but the written word was no use to them.

FallenAngelII
October 21st, 2008, 10:59 AM
Has the parked car been freshly waxed, because that's just totally unfair if it has.

Come on.
Yes, but the Wraith also recently got a manicure.


The hero shield thwarts all enemies, you should know that by now. Heh.
Smart writers (and film makers) do not employ the hero shield stupidly. They'd have Carson taking cover and firing smartly, instead of just standing around in plain sight with all enemies incapable of hitting a brick wall within touching distance.

Gatz
October 21st, 2008, 11:40 AM
Last time I checked, Wraith couldn't read English ... :)

Of course they can't, every time they take control of an earth ship or station they do it by randomly pushing buttons

Vn70072
October 21st, 2008, 08:45 PM
Of course they can't, every time they take control of an earth ship or station they do it by randomly pushing buttons

Perhaps not all wraith can read all English? "C4:... E... E... Exp..." *boom* Although, it's not like it would have made much difference if they'd tossed the thing and run for it.

Am I the only one who noticed the behavior of the mob around the gate once more of the wraith arrive? They look like they're all just standing around, chilling or something, like pale, creepy bushes, scattered about without any purpose like say, guarding the gate, or being ready to take action.

QuantumDragon
October 21st, 2008, 11:19 PM
the size of that hole though, even if they realized it was a bomb they prob wouldn't have gotten out of the blast zone. they were in a mine for pitty's sake in order to eskape the blast they would have had to go twice as far because the mine walls contain and channel the blast

JadedWraith
October 22nd, 2008, 04:35 AM
That isn't the only thing that "dumbed down" wraith even further. For instance...

2. Wraith looks down, picks up device, 'what's this?' *cave collapses* The device even has "C4" written on it. :rolleyes:

And why are wraith still letting humans run amok on their ships? ...


Perhaps it's assumed the Wraiths have the same level of complex thought as the people who write these scripts...;)

SoulReaver
October 24th, 2008, 07:25 PM
in all fairness theres no reason a wraith should recognize C4likewise there's no reason a human should be able to hack into wraith systems

SoulReaver
October 24th, 2008, 07:46 PM
anyway this ain't the wraith soldiers' fault - they were under strict instructions by TPTB to shoot wide & not harm any human. they were just following orders

Wayston
October 25th, 2008, 04:09 AM
the way I felt about it it when watching it was that it was a ridiculous scene indeed, but it was also like in a shoot 'em up video game and that made it great visually which was probably the intention

when the scene was being set up I feared that carson would shoot from behind the console like 3 times without looking and boom score 3 hits magically neutralise the attackers so I'm already glad that it didn't turn out that way (he magically scored 3 hits while looking :) )

SoulReaver
October 25th, 2008, 04:57 AM
yeah to the writers' credit Carson didn't activate "god-mode"

but he didn't need it anyway as he was playing on "novice" setting

Infinatus
October 25th, 2008, 12:14 PM
well i haven't seen the episode yet, but i am sure that is the same reason why the show is being cancelled?

If that were the case SGA would have been canceled season 1.

Automission
November 5th, 2008, 03:10 AM
Did anyone else feel it was super retarded when they had at least 15+ drone soldiers enter a small room. I was expecting the commander to shout "Stop coming in for gods sake, there's no room!" It also was stupidly obvious it was going to blow up when they kept showing the soldiers entering.

Infinite-Possibilities
November 14th, 2008, 02:44 PM
To be honest the main thing that bothered me about this episode was not that th Wraith was foolish enough to feed on Carson (he couldn't know), or that they don't recognize C-4, or that the drones missed Carson (OK that's a stretch, especially since he doesn't have a firearm capable of killing them) the fact that Carson was able to hit so many, or the fact that McKay could hack a Wraith terminal so easily (he's had experience with Wraith computers), but rather when they were able to lock the door to the Wraith hanger bay with the push of a big yellow button on a console. What? Since when do Wraith have doors like that? Wasn't one of the last time that McKay was on a Wraith installation he futility tried to blast the door nerve cluster since he didn't know how to work it? Also didn't Wraith used to open doors physically? I realize its a nitpick, but it just seems like something they could have worked around better. For continuity's sake if nothing else's, though I think the should have used it to play up the jeopardy the were both in aswell.