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September 22nd, 2008, 08:34 PM
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Peter travels four years into the future to a world where abilities are commonplace, and where the people he thought were good are pursuing him as a terrorist and a murderer. Mohinder struggles with the side-effects of his new ability, while Nathan and Tracy both try and decide what to do next.

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Phenix
October 6th, 2008, 07:21 PM
anyone else hate that Sylar is a serial killer b/c of his power? And that Peter is now a serial killer b/c he has that power. How pathetic is that? Peter absorbs powers he does not need to cut someone's head open. Its ridiculously lame. Kring is an embarrassment.

Also the method that Peter used to absorb Sylar's power is beyond ridiculous. Peter can absorb any power b/c he's around them but w/ Sylar he needs to fix a clock.

Daphne death scene was pathetic. It was not needed.

Nathan saving Tracy was predictable and not needed either.

As people have said Papa Petrelli is returning. He is most likely Linderman which I did not predict and didn't suspect. Its pretty lame if its true though.

He broke his promise about physical mutations too.

I might be done w/ this series.

the fifth man
October 6th, 2008, 07:36 PM
On the flip side, I really enjoyed this episode. But, to each their own.

I actually don't mind the revelation about Sylar and his power. And the end of this one, I thought was great.:D

Skydiver
October 6th, 2008, 07:52 PM
i just feel like i need a score card, i'm tired of having to keep looking up to see which 'time zone' we're in and i really wish hiro and ando would speak english so i can multitask and not read all the time :)

this whole flash forward/flash backwards is confusing and something i would feel better about if i knew that the show had a set ending that they were working towards.

i just feel like each season is contrived plot after contrived plot, where they save the earth every 20 epiosdes and if they're gonna keep endangering it, can they come up with something different from 'blow it up'??

i just feel like, since last season was abbreviated due to writers strike, this season is goonna be full of gobsmack moments in a desperate attempt to remind viewers that the show is still there and they should watch it...oh and buying the merchandise is good too

it was a decent enough eps, i'm just getting beyond lost in the story

Phenix
October 6th, 2008, 08:27 PM
i just feel like i need a score card, i'm tired of having to keep looking up to see which 'time zone' we're in and i really wish hiro and ando would speak english so i can multitask and not read all the time :)

this whole flash forward/flash backwards is confusing and something i would feel better about if i knew that the show had a set ending that they were working towards.

i just feel like each season is contrived plot after contrived plot, where they save the earth every 20 epiosdes and if they're gonna keep endangering it, can they come up with something different from 'blow it up'??

i just feel like, since last season was abbreviated due to writers strike, this season is goonna be full of gobsmack moments in a desperate attempt to remind viewers that the show is still there and they should watch it...oh and buying the merchandise is good too

it was a decent enough eps, i'm just getting beyond lost in the story

I do not mind that the Earth is in danger each season. Its a bit overblown but I'll deal with it. The biggest problem is Kring desire for emotional shock over plot. I know it gets people who don't care or think about a show. Every point I hated in this show was based on his desire to throw emotion at you instead of writing a plot that develops an emotional response. That latter requires a lot of talent.

I've yet to see a story. Future Peter averted the future he came from yet Claire is still a bad ass..? Not sure where that is coming from. The timeline is all sorts of effed up.

Phenix
October 6th, 2008, 08:33 PM
On the flip side, I really enjoyed this episode. But, to each their own.

I actually don't mind the revelation about Sylar and his power. And the end of this one, I thought was great.:D

to each his own.

Killjoy_Zero
October 6th, 2008, 11:07 PM
My biggest issue with the episode is that it was 40% commercial time. I actually timed it, they player 8 minutes of commercials, 5 minutes of episode, 7 more minutes of commercials. That was bloody annoying.

Franklyn Blaze
October 7th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Glad I caught the recorded Heroes and I liked the episode. I thought it was a little all over the place, even for Heroes. I guess it's too hard to ask for 10 minutes of a contiguous story line? Even with the ADHD quality of the ep I am getting used to it and more interested to see how the story continued.

Sylar in an apron was just too funny, and with a kid! I wonder who's the mom? It was hard to tell who were really the villains and who the heroes in the future. It seemed like both were playing hero and villain at the same time, though heroes wouldn't kill an innocent kid. Anyone notice he was named after Clair's father, Noah?

The whole saving the world thing is getting milked really hard. But the why the world needs saving is getting answered a little more each week, which keeps me interested just enough to keep watching. Can't wait until next week and I can't believe they unburied Adam, one immortal is bad enough, now there's two! They do need to merge a few story lines it's like it was last season too many puzzle pieces.

mr_kennedy
October 7th, 2008, 05:09 AM
i liked this episode, but i bet that future peter isnt really dead, that bullet is just lodged in his brain, all one needs to do is take it out. and he'd wake up

Buddhawasanancient
October 7th, 2008, 05:13 AM
Sylar in an apron was just too funny, and with a kid! I wonder who's the mom? It was hard to tell who were really the villains and who the heroes in the future. It seemed like both were playing hero and villain at the same time, though heroes wouldn't kill an innocent kid. Anyone notice he was named after Clair's father, Noah?

Anyone notice the kid looked older than 4 years old (and also looked a bit like Noah?) I think that IS Noah, either he got a power and did that to himself, or someone else with a power did it to him. Think about it, the kid would have to be aprox 3 years and 3 months old (allowing time for a pregnancy cuz I haven't seen Sylar impregnate anyone yet) and he looked older than 3 years, 3 months. Also they were living at the old Bennett house. IDK, I'm just saying...

mr_kennedy
October 7th, 2008, 05:18 AM
^ i bet it was sylar himself did that too noah, noah saved his life and thats why his protecting him (probably from the company)

as to molly i noticed that she looked the same as she does in the present, they could have done a little work on her to make her look 4 years older.......

Klenotka
October 7th, 2008, 06:13 AM
Well, it looks like Nathan will eventually get mad at Peter bc of those "accident" killings and it´s gonna be a big brother fight. I couldn´t blame Nathan. This begins to be annoying. Leave the guy finally alone. :rolleyes: They are repeating themselves here :(
And he flew again! Finally! I expected it since the trailer but to see it, hey, it was great! I hope it´s not last time we saw it.
Are we gonna see a big brother´s fight in the end of the season? All THREE brothers?

Peter can be wrong for what we know. It´s really hard to say who is good and who is bad here. And, it looks like Peter is gonna be the one who will turn bad...bc of Sylar´s power now...But who knows?
Anyway, finally a good episode and I kind of like Matt´s storyline.
Turtle rules! :D

But enough of time jumps now, OK? I think we have seen enough of future, that will be changed anyway, so please, stop it. :S

Wolf O'Donnell
October 7th, 2008, 10:15 AM
I think they need to cut some characters and bring the show to a central focus. I dont like that there are 50 different things going on in 50 different time periods.

huntress
October 7th, 2008, 10:29 AM
I had some hopes that series three would be better then the awful second series but those hopes have dwindled down to nothing. So, basically every good guy becomes a bad guy now and next to the fact that the whole Mohinder thing was taken straight out of "The Fly" it is just lame. Also we have an overabundance on characters. Kring should have downsized but instead the cast exapands and expands. It is only the third season but it feels to me as if Tim Kring as lost control over this series already. Chris Carter knew at least where he was going up to season 7. Unless something changes really soon, really fast this show will sink faster then a rock. For me at least, it already has and I won't be watching anymore. It is one hour of the day I won't get back and I'd rather watch something else then this mess.

Aerilon
October 7th, 2008, 11:15 AM
Sylar has a child. I don't think it is the 'Noah' that we know, Sylar seemed to care too much, it seemed he cared enough as though it were his own child. My guess is that the mini-Noah is actually Sylar's child. The Mother, I think is Claire.

Her and Sylar have chemistry now I think, ever since Sylar took her power. Could it not be that they end up together, Claire gets pregnant, but turns to 'the bad side' shortly after, leaving Sylar with a child of his own?

I still can't work out what is suppose to destroy the world either. My only conclusion is that its a power, and my guess as to who destroys the world, is actually Mohinder. He is the only one that is mutating (so to speak) because of it. Really, he is the only one that is unpredictable.

And Adam is back... Can't wait to see how that one goes. The only other question I've yet to find out, is whether or not 'our' Sylar turns good, or stays evil.

Killjoy_Zero
October 7th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Its not so much that the world needs saving every season its that its the same problem every season. People finding out about people with powers which was a problem in Volume 1 and in Volume 3. Volume 2 is the one that stands apart but, again, people were going to find out about people with powers somehow. My big question is where did Caitlyn go after season 2 when she was stranded in the future.

Aerilon
October 7th, 2008, 12:10 PM
My big question is where did Caitlyn go after season 2 when she was stranded in the future.My guess would be she is still there. ;)

g.o.d
October 7th, 2008, 12:11 PM
WTF was that? :rolleyes: how the hell did Claire and others manage to survive the big Sylar's fart in the end?

looks like Tom Kring visited Bridge Studios in Vancouver for some advices, because this was the most idiotic episode ever with many plot holes

sparklegem
October 7th, 2008, 02:27 PM
I'm so confused. I can't keep everything the characters have done straight, so people's motivations are pretty much lost on me.

Why the heck is it Peter that had to have Sylar's power and figure out how the world's going to end? Why doesn't "Gabriel" just do it himself if he can see cause and effect? There are so many things that just DON"T MAKE SENSE. >.<

But OMG, Adam! Love the ending.

sparklegem
October 7th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Plus, I don't buy the whole future!Peter needs to delegate to present!Peter so he doesn't screw things up. Whatever actions either of them take, they both have a chance of making the future worse or screwing things up. They'd just be acting on different information, and future!Peter has more information to go by, so I'd think he's the better candidate.

Buddhawasanancient
October 7th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Sylar has a child. I don't think it is the 'Noah' that we know, Sylar seemed to care too much, it seemed he cared enough as though it were his own child. My guess is that the mini-Noah is actually Sylar's child. The Mother, I think is Claire.

Wait, so incest now?!?! No offense but I seriously doubt Tim Kring would throw incest into a show like this. Plus Claire is the way she is in the future BECAUSE Sylar brain raped her. They couldn't be on more opposite sides in the future. Nah, that's Noah. I'd bet this week's paycheck on it...

Franklyn Blaze
October 7th, 2008, 04:02 PM
WTF was that? :rolleyes: how the hell did Claire and others manage to survive the big Sylar's fart in the end?

looks like Tom Kring visited Bridge Studios in Vancouver for some advices, because this was the most idiotic episode ever with many plot holes

Well I know Claire can't die but the black guy surviving is really weird! Especially after Mrs. Flash Gordon did not, plot go down the hoooooole.

Buddhawasanancient
October 7th, 2008, 04:48 PM
Well I know Claire can't die but the black guy surviving is really weird!

I just watched it again and Knox wasn't back at the morgue. It was Claire, the 2 Peters, Nathan and his SS men and the Haitian who wasn't in Costa Verde. Plothole averted!

entil2001
October 7th, 2008, 05:04 PM
“Heroes” staves off the public impression of stringing the audience along with a regular stream of revelation, plenty of action, and a wealth of plot threads. In fact, the writers of “Heroes” are trying so hard to avoid being labeled as another “Lost” that they overlook the best qualities of their supposed rival.

First, however, I should focus on the positive. No matter how many times they return to the “unexpected future” well, it’s a lot of fun. I thought this version of the future was a little less interesting than they could have made it, with a bigger budget, but the general premise came across. In particular, I liked the argument between Future Peter and Present Peter. Present Peter is still full of hope and optimism about the human race; Future Peter is far more pragmatic.

The introduction of freely available metahuman abilities would not begin a golden age. It would amplify the basic positives and negatives within society as a whole. The virtuous would use the abilities in a controlled manner, but the criminal element would flourish with the chance to overcome traditional law enforcement. Such a future would all too easily lead to what was seen in the alternate future explored in the first season.

Unlike the first season, however, abilities are not treated as a genetic quirk, but the combined result of genetics and biochemical manipulation. Apparently several characters are going to be revealed as “altered”, given abilities by their parents or minions of the Twelve and the Company. Just as Sylar’s victory over Claire undercuts the first season arc, I think this idea undercuts the strength of the second season arc. Previously, the story was starkly generational; now, I’m not sure it works as well.

But it does begin to explain some of the divisions that threaten to emerge. Hiro’s impulsive decision to open his father’s sage, thus allowing someone to reconstruct the formula for creating metahumans, has given someone an opportunity. Mohinder’s subplot demonstrates how it can all go wrong, if the formula is not correct. Some will want abilities to proliferate; others will not. Which side is the villainous side may be hard to figure out, but that should be part of the fun.

On the other hand, wouldn’t it be a nice change of pace for the writers to develop a straightforward conflict between good and evil without the need for the “alternate future” plot device? As fun as it is to see Domesticated Sylar and Evil Hottie Claire, it does become a cliché. Do the writers think that revealing the future is the only way to make the in-between more interesting? Or, once again, are they afraid to give their fans the impression of lack of direction (despite clearly making things up as they go along)?

Two problems persist. First, there is the annoying need to make Sylar sympathetic. This actually began back in the first season when they introduced his (now adoptive) mother and tried to blame his actions on his upbringing. But ever since Sylar escaped his natural moment of death (so the writers could continue to avoid the promised Peter/Sylar clash) in the first season finale, the character has been floundering.

Now, instead of letting him remain the worst of the worst, Peter’s polar opposite, the writers have saddled Sylar with this ridiculous excuse for his villainy. Instead of simply being a dark and amoral madman, bent on accumulation of power, Sylar is suffering from a “hunger”. This makes him kill out of insatiable need, not because of a psychological disorder. And frankly, that’s just not as interesting or compelling.

Contrast Sylar with someone like Ben Linus from “Lost”. Ben is incredibly popular, not because he has been softened over time, but because his constant machinations and psychological prowess remain unmatched. He’s not an anti-hero; he’s a man consistent with his vision, which often makes him villainous in the eyes of others. In other words, he’s a fully fleshed out character with deep motivations.

I don’t see the same thing with Sylar. What I see is a desire to make his continued presence more logical by giving him the chance to evolve into something other than the damaged overpowered psychopath.

This is just bad character development, and the same is happening with Claire. By showing the Future Hottie Claire as amoral, the writers suggest that it is some extreme desire for self-defense. Does it have to be that way? Of course not, so the writers need to tread carefully to make sense of this shift. My suspicion is that Claire will try to get help from more trustworthy people, only to be ignored, forcing her to look elsewhere. I’m just not sure that process will be handled well.

The second problem is the lack of lasting consequences. The writers use death for its shock value all the time, but it only becomes a true “threat” when those deaths are permanent. How many people have come back from the dead on this show? Even accounting for the fact that Adam can’t technically die, there was no need to bring him back as well.

So far, despite the darker edge, the third season seems to be falling into the same trap as the second season. The story is all too familiar, and the writers seem to think tossing a dozen plot threads into a single episode is better than developing a few solid plot threads with depth. I liked a lot about this episode, but those two massive problems just won’t go away.


John Keegan
Reprinted with permission
Original source: c. Critical Myth, 2008
All rights reserved
Link: http://www.criticalmyth.com

Franklyn Blaze
October 7th, 2008, 05:05 PM
I just watched it again and Knox wasn't back at the morgue. It was Claire, the 2 Peters, Nathan and his SS men and the Haitian who wasn't in Costa Verde. Plothole averted!

Oh nice, I should pay closer attention, my apologies.

Buddhawasanancient
October 7th, 2008, 07:41 PM
Oh nice, I should pay closer attention, my apologies.

No need to apologize. I was just clarifying :)

Phenix
October 8th, 2008, 09:47 AM
John Keegan wrote a spot on review. I can not even find anything to nit pick. Perhaps the Mohinder bit.

I hate what they've done with Sylar. If Sylar was to become a good guy then at least have him do it in an amoral sense.

I believe they are jumping into the future in order to avoid developing a plot.

JanusAncient
October 8th, 2008, 12:07 PM
I have to agree, they seem determined to avoid developing a reasonable plot. I don't believe this Claire can't die nonsense. You destroy her brain, she's dead, her body isn't going to regenerate without a brain. That's why a bullet to the brain would've been able to stop the past Peter from regenerating.

Yes, leave Sylar alone to do what he's good at, stop trying to moralize everything, you ruin structure, and continuity.

Sylars power comes with a thirst to understand, it's logical it'd turn him into a killer. I can't for the life of me, see how they were able to kill future Peter, or why he has that scar, the scar requires an explanation.

Buddhawasanancient
October 8th, 2008, 03:20 PM
I can't for the life of me, see how they were able to kill future Peter, or why he has that scar, the scar requires an explanation.

Maybe he puts the scar there with his shapeshifting ability to remind him of something horrible he did. Kinda like what Gabriel was saying about the Sylar watch when he gave it to Peter...

flameling
October 8th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Or maybe he has the scar from a fight where The Haitain neutralized Peter's regenrative ability.

ShadowMaat
October 8th, 2008, 08:03 PM
I think I'm gonna bail on Heroes. I was wavering after last week, but after this... yeah, I think I've had my fill. It's bad enough when a show emasculates the bad guy, but to be haphazard about it, too... Meh.

Stop going off in a million different directions and just give us something remotely coherent for a change.

Skydiver
October 9th, 2008, 05:35 AM
for me, it has moved from the 'gotta watch' to 'eh, nothing else is on'...and that's how it's been for this season so far and last season. no competition adn no choice to make.

I do have to say, the plot is too scattered adn fragmentary. I'm tired of having to read all the time to see when we are in the timeline

IMHO, the show is falling prey to its own hype and nbc's desperation to make it seem wonderful and fantastic. basically they're hard selling it so much that the show can't live up to its own hype

LoneStar1836
October 9th, 2008, 03:41 PM
I can't take much more of this awful writing. :S I'm about to the point that I don't care anymore about the show. :(

I don't know what they were thinking with the Peter/Sylar power thing. Peter does not need Sylar's power. They both exhibit basically the same power in different forms, and Sylar's was the "evil" version. There is no point to this that I can see other than to make Peter go dark. :rolleyes:

Ugh, if this keeps up there will be no Season 4 and at this point I wouldn't miss it if there weren't, which makes me sad.

igor108367
October 9th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Rumor has it that Heroes will probably be caneled this season. I just hope Chuck will remain on tb and won't shrink with Heroes.

igor108367
October 9th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Only thing thAt can save heroes now is the caneletion of the terminator sarah connor chronicles tjat is going to happend very soon. Prison break may also be caneled. Some vivers may come back to heroes then.

jenks
October 10th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Best episode since season 1 IMO.

Agent_Dark
October 10th, 2008, 05:15 AM
lol at all the people flying around the streets in future new york.

Skydiver
October 10th, 2008, 05:23 AM
honestly, i think they need to go to nbc, say 'well, the strike cheated us out of 12 eps, give us a 12 eps season 4 and we'll wrap this puppy up and call it done'

and then write knowing the ending. this stop and start, well we/won't we is getting old
it makes the show uneven and you end up with the overall plot dragging then zinging along fast, then dragging again.

right now they seem obsessed with promoting gobsmack moments to attract viewers and don't quite get that we're kinda bored by them and have been burned by the 'gotta watch this' promos...then watching the show and realizing that all the good stuff was in the promo

less 'gobsmack' and more substance

igor108367
October 10th, 2008, 02:57 PM
honestly, i think they need to go to nbc, say 'well, the strike cheated us out of 12 eps, give us a 12 eps season 4 and we'll wrap this puppy up and call it done'

and then write knowing the ending. this stop and start, well we/won't we is getting old
it makes the show uneven and you end up with the overall plot dragging then zinging along fast, then dragging again.

right now they seem obsessed with promoting gobsmack moments to attract viewers and don't quite get that we're kinda bored by them and have been burned by the 'gotta watch this' promos...then watching the show and realizing that all the good stuff was in the promo

less 'gobsmack' and more substance

I agree.

LoneStar1836
October 10th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Only thing thAt can save heroes now is the caneletion of the terminator sarah connor chronicles tjat is going to happend very soon. Prison break may also be caneled. Some vivers may come back to heroes then.How would that help? TSCC and Heroes do not share a time slot. TSCC comes on an hour before Heroes because I watch both shows on Monday nights. And right now I'm liking TSCC more than Heroes.

Aerilon
October 11th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Wait, so incest now?!?! No offense but I seriously doubt Tim Kring would throw incest into a show like this. Plus Claire is the way she is in the future BECAUSE Sylar brain raped her.Technically, it wouldn't be incest.

Nathan is Claire's Father, and Sylar's (supposed) Brother. So to Sylar, Claire would be his Niece (him being an Uncle to her). It may depend upon various country laws, but I thought incest was direct involvment, like a brother and sister...


They couldn't be on more opposite sides in the future. Nah, that's Noah. I'd bet this week's paycheck on it...That would depend upon which future you're referring too. We have several of them now.

Regardless, I have serious doubts that the young kid is Noah.

Buddhawasanancient
October 11th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Technically, it wouldn't be incest.

Nathan is Claire's Father, and Sylar's (supposed) Brother. So to Sylar, Claire would be his Niece (him being an Uncle to her). It may depend upon various country laws, but I thought incest was direct involvment, like a brother and sister...

A 35 year old man sleeping with his teenage NIECE is absolutely 100% incest and almost statutory rape. I don't know what country laws you are referring to (maybe France since they loooooove Roman Polanski so much and his deviant actions) but in America it's absolutely illegal not to mention immoral and Tim Kring would almost definitely not include it in his show.

Buddhawasanancient
October 11th, 2008, 01:27 PM
That would depend upon which future you're referring too. We have several of them now.

I was referring to the future we just saw in the Bennett house where Claire was holding a gun on Gabriel and Noah, screaming: "You took EVERYTHING from me!"

LittleMissJigsaw
October 11th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Now, instead of letting him remain the worst of the worst, Peter’s polar opposite, the writers have saddled Sylar with this ridiculous excuse for his villainy.


Actually, if things are going the way I think they're going, he could still very well be Peter's polar opposite. Now Peter can use Gabriel's base ability, and obviously can't control it.

If he continues to fail to keep himself in check, he is likely going to go down the same path that Gabriel did, when he became Sylar.

So, while Sylar returns to being Gabriel, Peter takes a walk down the path to the dark side, and as such, they remain two sides of the same coin.

Personally, I like good-guy Gabe... And technically, they haven't just now saddled him with the "excuse"... The addiction was mentioned several times in season 1... On the phone message to Chandra, Sylar says "I can't control it... The hunger... You made me this way", and we see, "Forgive me" written all over the walls in his apartment. He knows it's an addiction, and he knows it's wrong, but he doesn't fight it hard enough... what reason did he really have to do so?

And the original Gabriel was still in there somewhere, since upon viewing what he thought was him destroying NYC, he runs straight to his mother, to find out why he would do such a thing. He begs her to tell him why he would do that- and even seeks her reassurance that he doesn't need to be special (a sign that he wants to break away from Sylar). It is only when she attacks him that Gabriel is no more, and Sylar comes back in full force.

Perhaps in working with Noah Bennet, and in meeting future baby-Noah's mother, Gabriel will worm his way back out of the corners of his own mind, and regain control. Obviously, he did in the future we've been shown. Whether that will continue in whatever new future they create remains to be seen, but I hope it does.

And as far as a reason for fighting the "hunger", I'd say that adorable little boy is a damn good one.... I felt so sorry for Gabe when he saw Noah dead...

ShadowMaat
October 11th, 2008, 11:37 PM
Nope, sorry, I'm still tired of shows turning bad guys into good guys. Oh, I know, there's the whole "gray area" (if you'll pardon the pun) about what's good and bad and all that and yes, sometimes it's fun to explore if someone is TRULY evil or not, but taking someone depicted as nothing but a monster and then trying to make him/her seem not-so-bad... No thanks. Sometimes it's nice to have a few characters who are completely black or white. Or at least foreshadow the possibility that all isn't as black or white as it seems.

And the whole "Poor thing, it isn't his fault, it's his POWER" excuse doesn't sit well with me either. Foreshadowing doesn't help when the "answer" is stupid. :P

igor108367
October 12th, 2008, 03:47 PM
How would that help? TSCC and Heroes do not share a time slot. TSCC comes on an hour before Heroes because I watch both shows on Monday nights. And right now I'm liking TSCC more than Heroes.

Well the rumors are the show is going to be canceled soon. That will probably improve Chuck ratings , and with that Heroes ratings will improve. By the way Prison Break is not doing to well either. Monday nigth migth start completly frsh next year with a bunch of new shows.

LoneStar1836
October 12th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Well the rumors are the show is going to be canceled soon. That will probably improve Chuck ratings , and with that Heroes ratings will improve. By the way Prison Break is not doing to well either. Monday nigth migth start completly frsh next year with a bunch of new shows.
I forgot about Chuck airing over on NBC to give Heroes a lead in. So I see your point now, but I still like TSCC and hate that it seems all but assured of cancellation...but hopefully not before all ordered eps have aired.

Well Prison Break can go adios for all I care. The first season was the best and it should have ended there. I have little doubt that this will be the final season for Prison Break because the plot for this season seems to indicate that.

ShadowMaat
October 13th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Where are these rumors coming from? And based on what, exactly? Is the show suffering in the ratings or is it just disgruntled fans predicting the show's demise? Or maybe someone out there with a power KNOWS it's doomed. :D

Commander Zelix
October 20th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Nope, sorry, I'm still tired of shows turning bad guys into good guys. Oh, I know, there's the whole "gray area" (if you'll pardon the pun) about what's good and bad and all that and yes, sometimes it's fun to explore if someone is TRULY evil or not, but taking someone depicted as nothing but a monster and then trying to make him/her seem not-so-bad...

I think LittleMissJigsaw make a good point that Syler was NOT depicted as nothing but a monster, but a monster which couldn't fight is hunger for killing to acquire new powers. I'm personally tired of those shows which shows us bad guys as completely evil. Its good for children's movies (good vs evil..."value"), but its not realistic.

Matt G
October 25th, 2008, 02:38 PM
1. Er, Peter, the reason Claire's willing to kill you is because if you die, the stuff your future self did is undone.

2. Glad to see the Hiro and Ando show is back in business!

3. Not sure what to make of Mohinder or Syler as yet.

4. Adam! Not a good idea!

Thermonuclearboy
October 27th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Personally, I get a kick out the fact that Future Evil Claire is brunette.

Cuz, you know, blondes can't be evil.

;)

NYKnight
November 18th, 2008, 02:00 AM
I just finished watching this episode & I have a question about it, and something I am completely confused about.....

When "present Pete" goes to the future with "future Pete", "future brunette Claire" shoots "future Pete".....and "future Pete" DIES? Didn't Peter (both of them) absorb Claire's ability all the way back in Season 1? I don't understand how later in the episode "future Pete" has his body laying on a slab in the morgue. The only thing I can come up with is that due to the nearby presence of the Haitian, nobody could use an ability.....so Pete couldn't heal, which seems kind of lame, plus the fact that we are left to guess why "future Pete" is dead. Any thoughts?

On a side comment, the fight with Claire, Daphne and Knox vs. Gabe and Pete was a bit weak. Little Noah is Gabe's world, but yet when he is threatened, Gabe doesn't wipe the floor with Knox at first.....and with all the abilities that present Pete has absorbed, Daphne initially cleans his clock? And why was "present Pete" worried about Claire shooting him anyway? He seemed like he was, but he could have stopped time, or just like I mentioned before HEALED???
And why can't "present Pete" just absorb Gabe's ability? He has never had to ask for permission before?

Season 3, though initially interesting, is not as enjoyable so far as Season 2 was......

Any help here would be appreciated! Cheers!

garhkal
January 8th, 2016, 05:41 PM
anyone else hate that Sylar is a serial killer b/c of his power? And that Peter is now a serial killer b/c he has that power. How pathetic is that? Peter absorbs powers he does not need to cut someone's head open. Its ridiculously lame. Kring is an embarrassment.

Also the method that Peter used to absorb Sylar's power is beyond ridiculous. Peter can absorb any power b/c he's around them but w/ Sylar he needs to fix a clock.


Not really. Its imo the difference between someone Studying to learn something and someone just reading it and memorizing it. The latter knows it sure, but the former is going to UNDERSTAND it... That is imo the big difference between Gabriell and Peter. Gabriell (sylar) is the one who understands things, while peter just 'knows them'.. It also explains why often peter is shown as NOT being able to control his powers.



Sylar in an apron was just too funny, and with a kid! I wonder who's the mom? It was hard to tell who were really the villains and who the heroes in the future. It seemed like both were playing hero and villain at the same time, though heroes wouldn't kill an innocent kid. Anyone notice he was named after Clair's father, Noah?

I also would have liked to know who the kid is. And as to 'heroes not willing to kill a kid''.. Remember some of those WERE the same exact villans who got released by Elli when she was getting scalped by Sylar..
So i wouldn't really count them as heroes.. Just yet.


Sylar has a child. I don't think it is the 'Noah' that we know, Sylar seemed to care too much, it seemed he cared enough as though it were his own child. My guess is that the mini-Noah is actually Sylar's child. The Mother, I think is Claire.

Her and Sylar have chemistry now I think, ever since Sylar took her power. Could it not be that they end up together, Claire gets pregnant, but turns to 'the bad side' shortly after, leaving Sylar with a child of his own?

I still can't work out what is suppose to destroy the world either. My only conclusion is that its a power, and my guess as to who destroys the world, is actually Mohinder. He is the only one that is mutating (so to speak) because of it. Really, he is the only one that is unpredictable.

Interesting theory on who the kids mamma was.
As to the 'world blowing up', since it always seems to get painted as being smashed into 2 parts (well split in half really), i am thinking that Peter somehow get's Mr magnetics power and goes critical...


My guess would be she is still there. ;)

True. But does that 'future' still exist, and if not, what happened to her?? Did a paradox wipe her out?