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September 22nd, 2008, 08:32 PM
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Noah is surprised when Sylar is assigned to help him stop the escaped men from Level 5 from robbing a bank. Claire's mother gives her a lesson in facing evil, while Matt encounters a vision of his future. Hiro and Ando attempt to intercept the second half of the formula before Daphne can steal it.

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Phenix
September 29th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Is anyone tired of how much Kring hates plot development. Its a bit annoying but not as bad as last season.

I like how Ali Larter is now a triplet.

Anyone think that Sylar and Peter and fraternal twins? I do not know their ages but it'd make sense to me since their powers are so similar.

Claire needs to go take a Brazilian Jui Jitsu class and Muay Thai. Then someone needs to explain to her that she's so damn small she can't hurt anyone. I kind of feel bad for how lame her power is but she can heal everyone. Kind of cool.

And I hope that this is the end of Micah. I hate child actors and think they ruin damn near every show.

s09119
September 29th, 2008, 07:29 PM
Is anyone tired of how much Kring hates plot development. Its a bit annoying but not as bad as last season.

Agreed.


I like how Ali Larter is now a triplet.

I seriously dislike this...


Anyone think that Sylar and Peter and fraternal twins? I do not know their ages but it'd make sense to me since their powers are so similar.

My theory is that Angela is lying to Sylar to manipulate him into doing the Company's work, personally.


Claire needs to go take a Brazilian Jui Jitsu class and Muay Thai. Then someone needs to explain to her that she's so damn small she can't hurt anyone. I kind of feel bad for how lame her power is but she can heal everyone. Kind of cool.

I never want to see her blood used that way again. Ever. It's such a cop-out.


And I hope that this is the end of Micah. I hate child actors and think they ruin damn near every show.

Yeah, he had no real purpose this episode except to show us Nikki really was dead.

mr_kennedy
September 29th, 2008, 10:24 PM
great episode

sylar: you drink decaf dont ya noah lol

Hotsauce00
September 30th, 2008, 01:28 AM
I think Ali Larter is either genetically engineered or a clone.

yeah the Michah thing was stale the moment he got powers.

Sylar and Peter should be twins. We don't know what the Dads powers were, If they were like peters and sylars or not then we have an answer.

Claire's power is awesome, she just needs a metal skeleton with claws, JK. But seriously she could just pick up a gun and learn actual tactics, like HRG with powers and hotter.

igor108367
September 30th, 2008, 02:33 PM
9,34 milion worst ratings for this show ever. If this continue this mith be the last heroes season.

entil2001
September 30th, 2008, 04:50 PM
It’s easy to forget how odd the pace of “Heroes” can be. Every time I think I know how the writers will progress with a plot thread, they surprise me by speeding things up or slowing things down. The surprises aren’t the problem; it’s the end effect. Sometimes, playing for the big moments too quickly can divest a situation of all its impact. It also doesn’t help when the script is full of logical errors.

The problem with introducing characters with time-travel abilities, particularly those with control like Hiro and Future Peter, is that bad decisions and troublesome events can easily be remedied. Villains have been released from Level 5 thanks to Elle? Future Peter should be able to jump right back to the moments before the circumstances of the escape, or even better, attack Sylar before he ever gets his hands on Claire. By the same logic, Hiro should be able to jump back in time to the moments before he opened the safe and tell himself that it’s a pretty stupid idea.

Of course, if either of those things happened, a lot of the drama would disappear. Angela Petrelli wouldn’t show her true dark side (which, at least, was previously displayed, though not quite to such a degree), and other characters wouldn’t struggle with ways to solve the problems without using the most obvious powers. Hiro imposes restrictions upon himself, which is hard to reconcile but at least is addressed, but Future Peter (and now Present Peter) both have no reason to hold back.

So where does that leave the story? The villains that were released turn on each other and force a confrontation with Mr. Bennett, and do so publicly despite the inevitable private opportunities that would have presented themselves in short order. (Oh, and Future Peter? I think the public display of powers by the villains might have wiped out the benefit of trying to kill your brother.) Why set up these released villains as a powerful nuisance if they were going to be killed or recaptured an episode later?

The answer seems to be: Sylar. Angela may be ruthless and cunning, but she’s incredibly stupid. Despite all evidence to the contrary, Angela believes that Sylar can be tamed and controlled. Sylar, on the other hand, continues his endless quest for more and more power, and now Angela (and indirectly, Noah) has become his enabler. If Future Peter and Present Peter were smart, the two pseudo-Supermen would team up before Sylar gets even more powerful and hand him back to Angela in a bucket.

Speaking of how to deal with invulnerability powers, besides employing a blender, cutting off their oxygen supply is the way to go. It may not kill Claire, but it will render her useless. Of course, that’s if the laws of physics still apply, which is a big question on “Heroes”. Claire’s biological mother delivers an odd lesson. Apparently she’s not affected when her flames remove oxygen from a confined space, and when she extinguishes her flame, oxygen magically reappears. (Oh, and as lessons go, teaching Claire to beat the crap out of anyone trying to stop her from breathing might be more effective. Just a thought.)

A couple of other plot threads continue to percolate. Matt Parkman’s magical mystery tour with the Magical Minority Isaac Clone feels like one big continuity mess. Did the writers decide they needed someone just like Isaac, and couldn’t think of a way to pull off the same exposition using another method? It feels like pure repetition, and badly managed at that.

Tracy’s plot thread finally intersects with Ali Larter’s previous appearances, and it turns out that there is a connection between Tracy, Niki, and the rest of her kind. Dr. Zimmerman may have been working for Linderman on further experiments on metahuman powers. Tracy looks like she might have been a clone of some kind (perhaps the result of fertility treatment modifications). I’m still not sold on the need to bring Ali Larter back, since it continues the trend of robbing death of any meaning on “Heroes”, but it could be interesting if handled correctly.

And that’s the question: can the writers handle it correctly? This episode exposed a number of the weaknesses still plaguing the series, and while some installments are always weaker than others, I’m not sure this is a minor issue that will shake itself out. It may be a desire to hew too closely to comic book logic, or worse, a focus on style over substance. Combined with the inability to focus on its main cast instead of constantly introducing new players, the logical gaps are keeping this series from meeting its early potential.


John Keegan
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LoneStar1836
September 30th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Eh, episode was okay.

So that's two villains down. 10 to go?

I think Angela is manipulating Sylar as well.


Show is going to have to pick up a bit. I am not interested in Claire. Don't particularly care about Ali Larter's new character incarnation (as I never cared for the other ones). Not exactly enthralled with what they are doing with Nathan. And Parkman is boring, atm.

Right now HRG, Sylar, Future Peter, and Hiro/Ando are the only interesting stories. Though I'm not exactly liking how Hiro is treating Ando. He's probably the one that drives Ando away resulting in the future he saw.


I liked Micah and thought his power was interesting. The kid that played him did a good job, but as far as he is concerned this season, he won't be in any more episodes according to what I read in TVGuide.

the fifth man
September 30th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Overall, I thought this was a really good episode. And one that, as is the way on this show, raised some new questions. I look forward to seeing how all of this progresses.

Wolf O'Donnell
September 30th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Is it strange that i have hope for Syler?

Thunderstorm
September 30th, 2008, 10:15 PM
For the most part, liked the 1st 2 episodes, thought this ep was boring. Watching because their is nothing else on Monday night.

Still like Hiro and Ando, and the speed girl.

Please, please, please drop the religious angle. Instead of doing the whole shooting and recovery subplot, why didn't future Peter just come back a little sooner and explain things to Nathan. He's a bright guy, I'm sure they could have come up with something and saved us this ridiculous storyline. I've like Nathan in the last 2 seasons, but the way they are using him this season I'd have preferred he died of the gun shot.

I like Parkman too, but as said above it's just really a re-tread.

And why did they let Sylar go?!?!?!?!? He's as bad or worse than the others.

I like Micah wish he was around more. I don't mind Claire in small doses. But is it too much to hope that we never see Maya again (the latin girl with the 'I get upset and everyone dies power')

It seems like they came up with what they thought were a bunch of cool storylines but never bothered to think them all the way thru.

Shan Bruce Lee
October 1st, 2008, 12:12 AM
But is it too much to hope that we never see Maya again (the latin girl with the 'I get upset and everyone dies power')

I like her, I wished they do more with her this year than have her follow Mohindar around.

LoneStar1836
October 1st, 2008, 03:29 PM
Please, please, please drop the religious angle. Instead of doing the whole shooting and recovery subplot, why didn't future Peter just come back a little sooner and explain things to Nathan. He's a bright guy, I'm sure they could have come up with something and saved us this ridiculous storyline. I've like Nathan in the last 2 seasons, but the way they are using him this season I'd have preferred he died of the gun shot.At this point, I wish he would have died at the end of season one. Make his sacrifice worth something.

Though I didn't see the reveal that Future Peter was the one that shot him coming. So I thought that was interesting...just not the rest...other than invisible Linderman.

Well with tptb playing around with time travel, there is a lot of questionable choices in writing. Some of it has to be dumb for the sake of advancing the story I suppose. Future Peter could go back in time and change a lot of things if he really wanted to...like preventing Sylar from getting Claire's powers, etc.



But is it too much to hope that we never see Maya again (the latin girl with the 'I get upset and everyone dies power')No it's not. ;)

Phenix
October 1st, 2008, 04:11 PM
I like her, I wished they do more with her this year than have her follow Mohindar around.

she is there strictly as eye candy. her power is completely useless but perhaps she is meant as a warning to Mohinder. He of course ignores her.

Phenix
October 1st, 2008, 04:14 PM
My theory is that Angela is lying to Sylar to manipulate him into doing the Company's work, personally.



I never want to see her blood used that way again. Ever. It's such a cop-out.
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I really think that they are fraternal twins. It makes sense in my mind. Their powers are so similar yet different. They can not be identical twins since they'd have identical abilities. Of course Ali Larter's triplets break this rule but Kring does hate reality based plot development. Alan Ball would do such a better job with this show.

I do not mind that Claire's blood is used to save people. Peter and Linderman can heal people and probably bring them back to life with just a touch. Claire is pretty much useless as a fighter unless she learns tactics or how to fight. Of course this will take 5-6 years at least so time will tell.

flameling
October 1st, 2008, 04:22 PM
I liked the episode, had some overall good plot points with Sylar, Noah, the two Peters and the villains. Perhaps Sylar can be cured. And the Tracy thing could work if they handle it correctly. Well three villains down, nine to go.

MarshAngel
October 1st, 2008, 06:10 PM
I liked the episode, had some overall good plot points with Sylar, Noah, the two Peters and the villains. Perhaps Sylar can be cured. And the Tracy thing could work if they handle it correctly. Well three villains down, nine to go.

Of course the cure is fairly simple, let him open up Peter's brain. Unless he's addicted to killing for killing's sake...he gains abilities without having to kill for it. Of course that would make him essentially unstoppable but now that he has acquired Claire's talent, that's already somewhat true so there isn't really much loss there.

s09119
October 1st, 2008, 06:41 PM
Anyone else wondering how Parkman can suddenly see the future?

Phenix
October 1st, 2008, 07:03 PM
Anyone else wondering how Parkman can suddenly see the future?

I've chosen to ignore that scene. It was ridiculous but as I have already said Kring hates plot development. Personally I think a writer that hates plot development is a bad writer. I'm giving him a shot with this season but I think this show will be a once season wonder.

Maybe he'll throw in a magic mushroom as the key to seeing the future.

Thermonuclearboy
October 1st, 2008, 08:32 PM
The main problem I'm seeing, as the third season goes on, is that much of what happened in the second season is just plain being ignored. Apart from the character deaths, which seem to be permanent...what about Adam? What about Caitlin? What about Molly? Did they all just drop off the face of the earth? It's just all confusing, and it's going in directions I don't enjoy.

JanusAncient
October 1st, 2008, 11:16 PM
I'd like to see more of future Peter, his powers appear incredible. As for Sylar, I think that lady Petrelli is his mother, but more to the point, I think that vision she had of Knox, Tracy, Adam, and Matt's father, is why she's stringing Sylar along, so that he can protect her the way she's seen him do in her vision. These four seem to kill the other heroes, and severely injure Peter, but Sylar appears out of nowhere facing not her, but the villains, which adds to the possibility of a good Sylar, which if I might say, I do not like! Sylar is evil, he's great evil, killing and destroying lives, that's Sylar at his best, don't take that away.

Perhaps reality is relative to tptb, I just wish they wouldn't introduce new characters too quickly, because then everything gets jumbled, a few good villains, a few perfect heroes and that's all that you really need.

AvatarIII
October 2nd, 2008, 03:46 AM
my girlfriend came up with the idea that maybe tracy is actually the original jessica and that she never died!! thoughts?

Wyrminarrd
October 2nd, 2008, 07:55 AM
My thoughts:

Time travel is always a bad thing in a non comedy series (Quantum leap being an exception). Used correctly time travel means you can always fix things you screwed up so some restrictions really need to be placed on the characters.

Claire is getting really irritating. Does she really think that is she knew how to fight it would have changed the outcome of her fight with Syler? The only reason she managed to even get in a single strike was because Syler was playing with her.

About Peter going back to kill Nathan it´s possible that he chose to do this because in the future Peter really hates his brother but remembered once he was back and the dead done that he actually liked Nathan as he is today. Even so it seems strange to take such a risk, after all he couldn´t be sure the present Peter wouldn´t cause ballistic and do something with his powers that would have exposed everything anyway. Obviously the writers realised they can´t go back to a point before the end of last season and change things the viewers have already watched and thus just hoped people wouldn´t think to much about these things.

Parkman seems to have little relevance at the moment but hopefully he will serve sem useful propose later in the series.

Hiro is behaving incredibly stupidly, everything he does makes things worse! If he had simply gone along with his dead fathers wishes then everything would have been ok (or at least ok for longer). Hiro really needs to grow up and realise that his actions can have drastic consquances and start behaving accordingly.

Ali Larters character is a bit forced in there, in my oppinion she´s going to turn out to be somekind of cloning experiment, it might even be possible that this doctor she meet at the end of the episode has the superpower to clone people and only discovered it when Nikki was born and cloned her by accident, possibly creating many more copies.

Syler is a fan favorite and the writers are really catering to them. It would be interesting if they managed to cure Syler and remove his need for more powers but it´s highly unlikely unless they decide that this is the best way to get rid of future Peter.

JanusAncient
October 2nd, 2008, 12:44 PM
Hiro is behaving like a child with a hero-complex. He wants to save the world so badly, but is actually having the opposite effect, in turn he's dooming the world with his thoughtless actions, someone needs to make him grow up, he requires an undiluted dose of maturity, because now he's appearing the childish fool unable to see the forest from the tree's.

Skydiver
October 3rd, 2008, 05:31 AM
Hiro needs to realize that just because he's A hero, he's not THE hero

JayShadow
October 3rd, 2008, 11:41 AM
my girlfriend came up with the idea that maybe tracy is actually the original jessica and that she never died!! thoughts?

That was my original thought before this episode. Now I think she's just one of a batch of genetically engineered creations.

My new far out theory is that they all have multiple personality disorders and those personalities are each other.

AvatarIII
October 9th, 2008, 03:12 AM
possible i guess.

i love how in this ep, hiro and ando are locked up at the end lol :D

Matt G
October 20th, 2008, 03:20 PM
1. Angela Petrelli, you crazy bleep! What do you think you're doing?

2. And Hiro can stop being stupid as well! Not that Ando's being too smart either.

3. Nikki and Tracy were clones. That makes sense.

4. Not sure where Claire's going. Or Parkman.

Hmmmm...

Devid
November 10th, 2008, 12:59 AM
Heroes all the Seasons are quite interesting....Season three is also an interesting season..I love to watch the Heroes show...

garhkal
January 8th, 2016, 05:26 PM
Is anyone tired of how much Kring hates plot development. Its a bit annoying but not as bad as last season.

I like how Ali Larter is now a triplet.

It makes sense though. I know of 5 families who when they realized they had triplets (or in one mom's case quads) gave up 1-2 of them for adoption cause they felt they could only handle 2 kids..



Anyone think that Sylar and Peter and fraternal twins? I do not know their ages but it'd make sense to me since their powers are so similar.

That it would. It would also explain why both hate one another so much.. Brothers usually are like that.


Claire needs to go take a Brazilian Jui Jitsu class and Muay Thai. Then someone needs to explain to her that she's so damn small she can't hurt anyone. I kind of feel bad for how lame her power is but she can heal everyone. Kind of cool.


I was actually liking how 'mom' showed her she was NOT invulnerable..


The problem with introducing characters with time-travel abilities, particularly those with control like Hiro and Future Peter, is that bad decisions and troublesome events can easily be remedied.


But then you get into issues of Paradoxes and such..


Of course, if either of those things happened, a lot of the drama would disappear. Angela Petrelli wouldn’t show her true dark side (which, at least, was previously displayed, though not quite to such a degree), and other characters wouldn’t struggle with ways to solve the problems without using the most obvious powers.


Yup.. If they could just pop back to stop big bad x right in it's tracks we would not have a show.. other than a 3-4 ep mini series..


(Oh, and Future Peter? I think the public display of powers by the villains might have wiped out the benefit of trying to kill your brother.)


IIRC didn't the news report seem to fix on "One of the robbers seems to have a flame thrower" as a way to explain pyro guy..


Despite all evidence to the contrary, Angela believes that Sylar can be tamed and controlled. Sylar, on the other hand, continues his endless quest for more and more power, and now Angela (and indirectly, Noah) has become his enabler.


As iirc it was explained, it's a hunger.. So with enough willpower, it COULD theoretically be kept in check.. Much like smoking or gambling addiction.


Speaking of how to deal with invulnerability powers, besides employing a blender, cutting off their oxygen supply is the way to go. It may not kill Claire, but it will render her useless.


Lack of air, should render them out cold, but why not just teleport them somewhere like say the BOTTOM of the ocean, or into solid cement, or my personal fave, into an active volcano/lava!... I also wonder, would they survive being put into space and the re-entry??


Is it strange that i have hope for Syler?

Nope.


Anyone else wondering how Parkman can suddenly see the future?

I am thinking maybe it was something in that goop he ate/drunk..