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GateWorld
September 22nd, 2008, 08:30 PM
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Sylar infiltrates the Company and finds Level 5, where the world's most dangerous villains are imprisoned. Hiro and Ando track the speedster thief, and Future Peter runs into more problems after averting a terrible fate. Tracy Strauss pays a visit to Nathan, and makes a shocking discovery about herself.

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GateWorld
September 22nd, 2008, 08:31 PM
Please note that this episode aired with #301, "The Second Coming." Please do your best to keep discussion on these episodes separate in the two threads.

the fifth man
September 22nd, 2008, 08:32 PM
Wow, what an ending. I definitely didn't see that coming. I think this season is going to be really great.

MathiasE
September 22nd, 2008, 11:28 PM
Gonna have to agree with you there, didnt see that coming at all.

RoK
September 23rd, 2008, 02:51 AM
The ending came as a total surprise. Though, I wonder, how will this news effect the rest of the family clan (doesn't want to give away spoilers yet).

Shan Bruce Lee
September 23rd, 2008, 04:57 AM
It was a huge surprise to me. I'm not sure if I like it though - That's like the biggest plot-twist cliche'.

Did Elle die? I don't remember what happened to her at the end of the ep.

Buddhawasanancient
September 23rd, 2008, 05:05 AM
Great Ep. Can't wait for the rest of the season. What's up with Nikki (or whatever her name is) though? I can't figure that one out. The only thing I came up with is whoever Peter met that let him switch himself with that thug Jesse, switched Nikki and put someone else (who's memory has been wiped by The Haitian) into her body, hence why she was so surprised by the whole Cryokinesis bit. I guess I'd have to see whether Peter in Jesse's body has Peter's powers or Jesse's. If it's Peter's powers my theory might be correct, if not oh well. The other theory I read online was she was a third sister to Nikki and Jessica, separated at birth. That sounds more logical actually but I'm pulling for my theory. I guess we'll just have 2 wait and see!

marielabbott
September 23rd, 2008, 05:58 AM
That's an interesting theory about Nikki. I think I'm still reeling from the fact that it was a future Peter that actually shot Nathan. :eek: That must've been one very bad future indeed, to lead him to do that.

I'm beginning to get a little confused with all the different possible time lines. :S Otherwise, a very promising season opener.

And very interested to see what Matt will be doing with this mysterious new hero.

MichaelSandar
September 23rd, 2008, 07:19 AM
The other theory I read online was she was a third sister to Nikki and Jessica, separated at birth. That sounds more logical actually but I'm pulling for my theory. I guess we'll just have 2 wait and see!

Either that or the events at the end of season two forced her already-unstable psyche to split yet again, giving her more than just one multiple personality, each with it's own power.

SG13-NightOps
September 23rd, 2008, 07:44 AM
Did Elle die? I don't remember what happened to her at the end of the ep.

"Sacked" by Angela. (Not the first either, apparently)

Well, this has been an awesome start - except Super Manhinder is pushing me a little. Although, he is falling apart - literally - so I wont hold it against him. LOL

Interesting twist at the end. So if Sylar's Mum wasnt Sylar's mum. Who is his dad? I mean we already know Angela did the deed with Kaito (OH GOD! She isn't Hiro's mum too is she??)

Head explosion.

Definitely not Niki, but definitely related somehow. Beit, Jessica didnt "actually" die - or mum and dad divvied up the kids and went about their lives.

Man - I can't wait another week :(

MichaelSandar
September 23rd, 2008, 07:44 AM
Did Elle die? I don't remember what happened to her at the end of the ep.

She was with Angela Petrelli at the end of the ep. Petrelli basically 'fired' her from the Company, and told her to go find a new life.

SG13-NightOps
September 23rd, 2008, 07:50 AM
She was with Angela Petrelli at the end of the ep. Petrelli basically 'fired' her from the Company, and told her to go find a new life.

Hey Michael. Save you some time next time - you don't need the spoiler tags in the discussion threads. People don't usually come in here unless they have seen it - or actually want to be spoiled like a three week old trifle.

They still use them in here on caps though because they can cause blow out.

Welcome to Gateworld, btw :D

unowhoandwhy
September 23rd, 2008, 09:22 AM
Please note that this episode aired with #301, "The Second Coming." Please do your best to keep discussion on these episodes separate in the two threads.

What if we can't remember what happened in which ep because it is all a lovely Hero-colored blur in our vapid blonde heads? :p

Since I can't seem to keep things separate (sorry!) I decided it was the lesser of two evils to post for both in the second ep... I hope!

My favorite scene had to be when Sylar was rootling (the only word I could think of to describe it) around in Claire's brain and she asked if he was going to eat it and he replied, "That's DISGUSTING, Claire!" ...apparently even crazy psycho superpowered serial killers have standards! Tee hee!

The Nathan/God thing is probably going to get on my last nerve, but I love that he is hallucinating Linderman. Why Linderman?! Not that I have a problem with it, just wondering why.

I like dark future Peter a lot better than useless emo Peter, hope future Peter gets to stick around a while and that emo Peter grows the heck up while he is stuck inside that bad guy Jesse (and what is his mysterious power, anyway?!). I also hope we don't get too many scenes between Peter & Claire because the ick factor is much too high. He's her frickin' uncle! What is this, 1800s West Virginia? Ancient Egypt? Yuck!

Did future Ando have a power or was he using a gadget when he threw that electricity at Hiro and killed him? Was it really Ando or was it a shapechanger? If it was a shapechanger it had to be someone like Peter or Sylar, someone with more than one power. I can't see Ando turning against Hiro at all, but it will be fun to find out what led up to that point.

I like the darker (and buffer, yum!) Mohinder. I was getting a little tired of sissy boy Mohinder, he needed a good shake-up. Although, the thing with Maya was more creepy than sexy.

Fake Niki (what's her name again?) has the coolest power, I didn't see that mansicle freeze thing coming at all, but loved the effects! Too bad we can't have that happen to more paparazzi, the world would be a better place.

And, finally, what is up with Mama Petrelli?! She is one cold-hearted you-know-what, isn't she?! Was she really messing with Sylar to brainwash him or is she really his mother? I mean, he has the same dark good looks as her other children and the same dangerous dark side, only he has let his dark side out to play in a big way, unlike her two "disappointing" sons.

Ronja
September 23rd, 2008, 10:52 AM
What if we can't remember what happened in which ep because it is all a lovely Hero-colored blur in our vapid blonde heads? :p
Ditto lol :P

Great openener I love it! Best part: Future Peter! So happy to see him, future version or not, finally having control over his powers! Awesome stuff! :D

And wow what a shocker that Peter shot his own brother. Did not see that one coming.


The Nathan/God thing is probably going to get on my last nerve, but I love that he is hallucinating Linderman. Why Linderman?! Not that I have a problem with it, just wondering why.

Oh yeah the whole Nathan the Prophet thing was just too much for me. I couldn't help but roll my eyes at it, I really hope they will drop that one fast. Please :S


Did future Ando have a power or was he using a gadget when he threw that electricity at Hiro and killed him? Was it really Ando or was it a shapechanger? If it was a shapechanger it had to be someone like Peter or Sylar, someone with more than one power. I can't see Ando turning against Hiro at all, but it will be fun to find out what led up to that point.
I was thinking of that one too. And it looked like Ando held something in his hand that he shocked Hiro with. And I don't think he betrayed him, Ando said "You got it all wrong" or something to that affect , so I think it's a matter of both thinking they are doing the right thing but ended up on the opposite sides somehow...



I like the darker (and buffer, yum!) Mohinder. I was getting a little tired of sissy boy Mohinder, he needed a good shake-up. Although, the thing with Maya was more creepy than sexy.
Uh huh totally agree!

And LOL yeah :P


Fake Niki (what's her name again?) has the coolest power, I didn't see that mansicle freeze thing coming at all, but loved the effects! Too bad we can't have that happen to more paparazzi, the world would be a better place.
Agreed! It's Jessica btw. Would have been nice if all paparazzis could end up like that indeed ;)

Speaking of effects, I loved the faster then... time? effect. Really cool :D


And, finally, what is up with Mama Petrelli?! She is one cold-hearted you-know-what, isn't she?! Was she really messing with Sylar to brainwash him or is she really his mother? I mean, he has the same dark good looks as her other children and the same dangerous dark side, only he has let his dark side out to play in a big way, unlike her two "disappointing" sons.
Totally agree again, I wanted to say hey go drown yourself please... who needs enemies when u got a mum like that? I havent read many spoilers tho, but I've heard so many rumours for quite a while now that they were brothers with Sylar, so I think maybe she was telling the truth? Don't mind that they are ;)

Aerilon
September 23rd, 2008, 11:12 AM
What's up with Nikki (or whatever her name is) though? I can't figure that one out. The only thing I came up with is whoever Peter met that let him switch himself with that thug Jesse, switched Nikki and put someone else (who's memory has been wiped by The Haitian) into her body, hence why she was so surprised by the whole Cryokinesis bit.You are assuming Peter had someone switch bodies. Could it not have been something that the Future Peter done?


I guess I'd have to see whether Peter in Jesse's body has Peter's powers or Jesse's. If it's Peter's powers my theory might be correct, if not oh well. The other theory I read online was she was a third sister to Nikki and Jessica, separated at birth.Getting confusing now haha.

If this Tracy is another long-lost sister, that would make four wouldn't it? There was also the other one just before DL got shot. Can't remember her name.


Interesting twist at the end. So if Sylar's Mum wasnt Sylar's mum. Who is his dad? I mean we already know Angela did the deed with Kaito (OH GOD! She isn't Hiro's mum too is she??)I doubt that Hiro is Angela's son. Not to sound rasist or anything, but if Angela and Kaito had Hiro, I'd have thought he'd look a little less Japaniese.


The Nathan/God thing is probably going to get on my last nerve, but I love that he is hallucinating Linderman. Why Linderman?! Not that I have a problem with it, just wondering why.I don't think he is hallucinating. It just doesn't make sense. All seems a little too conveniant.


Did future Ando have a power or was he using a gadget when he threw that electricity at Hiro and killed him? Was it really Ando or was it a shapechanger? If it was a shapechanger it had to be someone like Peter or Sylar, someone with more than one power. I can't see Ando turning against Hiro at all, but it will be fun to find out what led up to that point.
I was thinking of that one too. And it looked like Ando held something in his hand that he shocked Hiro with. And I don't think he betrayed him, Ando said "You got it all wrong" or something to that affect , so I think it's a matter of both thinking they are doing the right thing but ended up on the opposite sides somehow...I'd like to think that Ando 'acquires' that power. And I'm also in favour of saying it was actually him, opposed to some shapeshifter.


And, finally, what is up with Mama Petrelli?! She is one cold-hearted you-know-what, isn't she?! Was she really messing with Sylar to brainwash him or is she really his mother? I mean, he has the same dark good looks as her other children and the same dangerous dark side, only he has let his dark side out to play in a big way, unlike her two "disappointing" sons.I think she really is his Mother. It works quite well as a story plot, and wouldn't surprise me. Another one of her flings, gee, she got around a bit.

cshawzye
September 23rd, 2008, 12:28 PM
It was a huge surprise to me. I'm not sure if I like it though - That's like the biggest plot-twist cliche'. I kinda felt the same way at the end of the episode. Hopefully they'll pull something out of it and turn it around from the cliched. Here's to keeping my fingers crossed.


Well, this has been an awesome start - except Super Manhinder is pushing me a little. Although, he is falling apart - literally - so I wont hold it against him. LOL
I'm completely excited for super Mohinder! I've been wishing he had some kind of power since I started watching the show. The fact that it's "self-inflicted" (so to speak) and that it seems to be backfiring is rather interesting, imo. Can't wait to see more.

I'm also looking forward to seeing where they take Ando this season.

The season definitely looks like it's going to be awesome.

Wolf O'Donnell
September 23rd, 2008, 01:25 PM
Anyone else thinking the ending with Syler is a rip off of the third Summers brother thing from X-men?

Shan Bruce Lee
September 23rd, 2008, 03:18 PM
She was with Angela Petrelli at the end of the ep. Petrelli basically 'fired' her from the Company, and told her to go find a new life.

Ah now I remember that, thanks.

Shan Bruce Lee
September 23rd, 2008, 03:20 PM
I like the fact that Mohinder has powers now. That last scene with him was crazy.

Thermonuclearboy
September 23rd, 2008, 03:35 PM
Harumph.

You know, I honestly have to say that I'm getting sick of the "the world's gonna end unless we do something...AGAIN!" storyline. I mean, how many alternate futures where the world blows up are we going to see?

And Mama Petrelli....geez, is EVERYONE related to her somehow?

And I always assumed that Peter absorbed that dreaming power from that terminally ill guy he was caring for in the first season. Wasn't that his power?

Buddhawasanancient
September 23rd, 2008, 03:42 PM
Anyone else thinking the ending with Syler is a rip off of the third Summers brother thing from X-men?

...or how about the fact that one of the new villains is an older, gray-haired German with Magnetic Abilities? Ummm, can anyone say Magneto? I loved the Ep but that anoyed me a bit. Along with the WAY TOO OBVIOUS Sprint drop, the EXTREMELY liberal use of Time Travel early on, and the fact that Claire's birth mom had to show us her fire..AGAIN.




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Originally Posted by Buddhawasanancient:
I guess I'd have to see whether Peter in Jesse's body has Peter's powers or Jesse's. If it's Peter's powers my theory might be correct, if not oh well. The other theory I read online was she was a third sister to Nikki and Jessica, separated at birth.

Getting confusing now haha.

Sorry if I confused ya, I do that to myself constantly especially when it has to do with theorizing about this show. lol. Basically what I was saying was the person being transplanted to the new body would have to keep the powers they had before in order for my theory to play out since Nikki had Super Strength and now the person in that body has Cryokinesis. So to test that I need to know whether Present Peter has his own powers now, or Jesse's. I hope that makes more sense...Also in the first part where I said Peter switched himself out, I meant Future Peter switched Present Peter with Jesse, so when I said "himself" I was partially right. lol...

flameling
September 23rd, 2008, 04:30 PM
I think that it will be interesting to see how future Peter will save present Peter. I like that Mohinder is now "Spider Suresh" it's a good change for him.

Ancavge
September 23rd, 2008, 04:38 PM
the ending part didnt suprise me as i was already aware of that, but i wonder if that true and she not just lying for some reason.

tophatmadhatter
September 23rd, 2008, 04:42 PM
Mohinder Uluru...probably not.

entil2001
September 23rd, 2008, 05:10 PM
(Note: This review covers the second half of the two-hour season premiere event. The first half was covered in a previous review.)

The season premiere was all about setting up the plot threads for this third volume (“Villains”), regardless of how ridiculous some of the required plot acrobatics might have been. But sometimes it’s necessary to sacrifice one episode’s credibility in the hopes of breathing new life into a concept. With a little cribbing from the best stories of comic book history, the writers might have done just that.

Villains are always fun, and whenever a band of heroes is brought together, the bad guys follow suit. The Company’s little dungeon, a fixture since the first season, is the site of a Sylar-induced breakout, and now some of the most powerful and socially repugnant metahumans are on the street, killing and pillaging without a care.

It takes some time to get there, and the theme of the episode is “unintended consequences”. Future Peter tried to do the right thing by killing Nathan, but his actions set events in motion. Angela Petrelli is more than happy to blame him for everything, but as noted in the review for the premiere, the coming apocalypse seems to be the result of a convergence of several issues.

In particular, the breakout at the Company was the result of Elle’s failure to stop Sylar. Sylar managed to get his hands on Claire, and subsequently, had the power to invade Level 5. Elle intervened, and the result was the breakout. That seems to be more an indictment of Elle’s unusual upbringing and lack of judgment than anything Future Peter might have caused. And how exactly is Angela’s decision to toss Elle out on her own going to work out well?

In an interesting twist, Sylar does not get away during the breakout, and Angela seems to have plans for him. Not only that, but according to her, it’s a family issue; Sylar is apparently another Petrelli brother. At this rate, the Petrellis are going to be as large and dysfunctional as the Summers family from the “X-Men” books.

On the other hand, it’s building up the rivalry and parity between Peter and Sylar more than ever, and the writers have once again set things up to delay that inevitable confrontation. The real Peter is stuck with the villains; if Sylar goes after them, and eventually he will, then the two will battle. Future Peter is the wild card, but if Sylar is pursuing the villains, it’s possible they’ll be allies rather than foes for a time.

Claire, on the other hand, is well on her way to becoming a villain. Her ability to experience pain was a touchstone, however disturbing as that might sound. She could at least pretend, on some level, that she was human. One has to wonder if Sylar did something intentionally to set Claire on her current path. Whatever the case, she’s losing perspective very, very quickly, and her descent seems assured.

Mohinder appears on the same path, but the state of his transformation might delay any true villainy. One would also imagine that it would delay the release of the metahuman serum long enough for the villains to expose the presence of the metahumans on their own. Future Peter may have changed the precise circumstances, but as Angela, Hiro, and Magical African Minority Man can attest, the future is still looking dark and dreary.

Speaking of Hiro, he’s being ridiculous with Ando. Ando tosses out a few good explanations for what Hiro saw in the future, but Hiro is being rather stubborn with his own interpretation. Will it ever occur to him that his distrustful attitude might be the main reason why Ando eventually turns on him? It’s a fairly old story, after all.

Still confusing, however, is this business with “Tracy”. Not only does she claim not to be Nikki (or Jessica, for that matter), but she also has this unexpected freezing power. That power seemed to be a bit of a shock to her as well, actually, which just adds to the confusion. The mystery is more annoying than intriguing, so the writers might want to shed light on this sooner rather than later.

That would certainly fit into the theme of “unintended consequences”, like much of this episode. Then again, the writers usually manage to throw some twists and turns in each arc, so the truth will likely be more complex. Whatever the case, this episode was a modest improvement on the premiere, and I can only hope that trend continues.

ShadowMaat
September 23rd, 2008, 07:48 PM
I actually found myself a bit underwhelmed by the premiere. I know Kring & Co. said they were going to make up for last season's fumble, but if this is an example of what's to come I'm not sure I'll stick around for the outcome.

Many things were predictable or at the very least unsurprising and I gotta say I wasn't all that shocked by Mama Petrelli's "Big Reveal" at the end.

I think part of my problem is that it's starting to remind me of the final season of 4400 (or at least the three or so eps I watched before bailing). Nathan's religious epiphany was disquieting and, sorry to say, boring. That road has been traveled so many times already and I really don't see why TPTB have to go down it again. The return of Linderman was a brief surprise (more in the "why bother?" category than "OMG!", but his only appearing to Nathan was a no brainer. The religious overtones and the "brain friend" were both used on 4400 (and BSG, for that matter).

Mohinder creating a serum that will grant powers to anyone (just like in 4400) was... disappointing, but I can't say I'm surprised. Nor will I be surprised if it turns out to have terminal side effects in some of the recipients. I'm sad that he took the serum himself AND that he wound up with something as trite as super strength/enhanced stamina although his obsession with chocolate milk and the egg sacs things growing on his back do lead to some hope that those abilities are merely the traits of whatever monster he's going to become. For some reason I keep thinking of The Fly although the hanging upside down thing also put me in mind of Beast from X-Men. Methinks Mohinder won't turn out nearly as pretty as Hank did, though. ;)

I do like that Future Peter now gets to bear witness to the mess he's made. It's a shame time travelers aren't given a handbook explaining why changing the timeline is a Bad Thing. This isn't the first time something like this has happened and I doubt it'll be the last. Someone should also explain to Hiro that blaming someone for something they're going to do in the future is stupid, particularly since there are a million ways that things can change between then and now. Treating the person like a bad guy, however, is more likely to guarantee a bad outcome than to prevent it.

Not sure what to make of Not-Niki. The explanation that she's been body switched sounds reasonable, but opens up a host of questions, mostly relating to the nature of powers. Do you keep your power no matter what? Do you gain the power of the body you're in? Do you gain a new power? Although given that Pete didn't fly off (or poof out) as soon as he got the chance seems to indicate he doesn't have his own powers.

Also, just out of curiosity, didn't one of Molly's parents have the cryokinesis thing? Does this mean that powers repeat or is this a variant of that power or what? I mean, her parents were pretty clearly dead. Not sure how you can come back from having your brain scooped out. Speaking of which....

I SO CALLED THAT!!! Finally after all this time I am proven right: SYLAR DOESN'T EAT BRAINS! HA! I told you! :P He understands how things work just by looking at them... and can obviously manipulate his own inner clockwork to reflect what he sees.

Anyway, I thought the rest was kinda meh although I'll be curious to see how Matt does with the Walkabout dude. I was convinced he'd been booted to Fourecks Australia and kept looking for drop bears kangaroos or something. The painting and the guy with the visions reminded me strongly of the Creator dude Rincewind met in Last Continent.

I wonder why Future Peter trapped Pete in the body of a powered inmate but dropped Matt in the middle of Africa? And both in contemporary times? If I really wanted to make sure someone couldn't interfere I'd move them in time as well as space. Or even just time. Send Matt back to deal with the Dinosaurs of New York-to-be. :D

mr_kennedy
September 23rd, 2008, 09:33 PM
another awesome episode

does nikki have a unique power for each personality she has? or is this a different women alltogether

i love the whole hiro doesnt trust ando storyline

cool seeing bruce boxelteimer again

is linderman alive or dead?

knowsfords
September 24th, 2008, 12:50 AM
I think that Linderman is dead, but that was Linderman from the past appearing before Nathan using someone else... Arthur Petrelli

I'd bet that Papa-Petrelli's power is the ability to appear to anyone at any time without anyone being able to see you, which explains Peter's trip in S1... And I bet he can take hitchhikers with him.

Easter Lily
September 24th, 2008, 04:13 AM
I thought I saw William Katt's name pop up during the credit roll but I don't remember seeing him. Did anyone catch a glimpse of him?

Altogether a decent opening two parter. I really wonder about Mrs Petrelli... whether she isn't just a master manipulator. I can't wait to see where they go with all that.

Buddhawasanancient
September 24th, 2008, 04:37 AM
OK. I watched these 2 eps again last nite on the ol' DVR and I noticed something I didn't the first time. So right before Nikki/Tracy freezes The Greatest American Hero, he calls her an Ice Queen. Maybe that has something to do with her power. Maybe it's not Cryokinesis but something like suggestive manifestation where she manifests a power based on what people say to her?!? I don't know, it sounds pretty out there but there's gotta be a connection between the Ice Queen comment, and TGAH in frozen pieces on the floor.

Another thing I noticed was when Noah was showing Claire the computer files of the Level 5 inmates you could clearly see some pretty interesting info if you pause it. It seems as if they break them down into 4 distinct categories: Biological, Cerebral, Elemental, and Temporal/Spatial. It had Knox listed as Enhanced Strength: Cerebral, Flint as Pyrokinesis: Cerebral (although I think that was a mistake and he shopuld be listed as Elemental. Fire is an element, no?), The German was listed as Magneticism: Elemental and Jesse Murphy as Sound Manipulation: Elemental. So if we applied this to the Heroes we know we'd get Hiro: Temporal/Spatial, Claire and Adam: Biological, Parkman: Cerebral, etc. I don't know, I found this new way of categorizing them, fascinating...

Ugly Pig
September 24th, 2008, 08:55 AM
For some reason I keep thinking of The Fly
Totally. Every scene with Mohinder in this episode was straight out of The Fly (the version with Jeff Goldblum). Even the dialogue was similar.

Also, just out of curiosity, didn't one of Molly's parents have the cryokinesis thing?
Hmm... IIRC, no, but Sylar had killed one of them by freezing so he still obviously encountered someone else with the power.

Does this mean that powers repeat or is this a variant of that power or what?
We've seen a few people with similar or identical power. Adam/Claire, Nathan/West, and the indication now seems to be that the African dude Matt met can paint the future like Isaac could.

I mean, her parents were pretty clearly dead. Not sure how you can come back from having your brain scooped out.
Which reminds me, what's the deal with Linderman? If he's really alive, then how'd he survive DL's squishing his brain (and how come he's visible only to Nathan)? And if he's a figment of Nathan's imagination - how did Nathan heal??

Tukka
September 24th, 2008, 01:04 PM
I think she really is his Mother. It works quite well as a story plot, and wouldn't surprise me. Another one of her flings, gee, she got around a bit.

Well I think Angela just have this ability of über persuade. Hi kind of convinved Sylar that she is his mother. So that how Sylar somehow trusts her. Well, we'll see! Great opening for season, greats eps.. Lots of action is always good, and cool new abilitys popped out too :)

Buddhawasanancient
September 24th, 2008, 03:54 PM
I SO CALLED THAT!!! Finally after all this time I am proven right: SYLAR DOESN'T EAT BRAINS! HA! I told you! :P He understands how things work just by looking at them... and can obviously manipulate his own inner clockwork to reflect what he sees.

As did I! I remember getting into little arguments all over the message boards about this but all I had to say to them was "So you're telling me in order to fix a watch he has to eat it first?" and that usually shut them up...


how did Nathan heal??

I think that Future Peter healed him. We know he's probably been in the same room as Linderman at one point, with his parents being friends and all. He probably absorbed Linderman's healing ability and either found out about it during the 4 years in the future, or it worked kinda subconsciously as he was holding Nathan...

Jumper_One
September 24th, 2008, 04:47 PM
another solid ep with several twists and surprises. I'm looking forward to Mohinder's arc and how his new powers will change him. also Hiro's glimpse into the future was interesting, why would Ando kill him? it was really cool to see Bruce Boxleitner. anyway is it monday yet? :D

Phenix
September 24th, 2008, 07:09 PM
OK. I watched these 2 eps again last nite on the ol' DVR and I noticed something I didn't the first time. So right before Nikki/Tracy freezes The Greatest American Hero, he calls her an Ice Queen. Maybe that has something to do with her power. Maybe it's not Cryokinesis but something like suggestive manifestation where she manifests a power based on what people say to her?!? I don't know, it sounds pretty out there but there's gotta be a connection between the Ice Queen comment, and TGAH in frozen pieces on the floor.

Another thing I noticed was when Noah was showing Claire the computer files of the Level 5 inmates you could clearly see some pretty interesting info if you pause it. It seems as if they break them down into 4 distinct categories: Biological, Cerebral, Elemental, and Temporal/Spatial. It had Knox listed as Enhanced Strength: Cerebral, Flint as Pyrokinesis: Cerebral (although I think that was a mistake and he shopuld be listed as Elemental. Fire is an element, no?), The German was listed as Magneticism: Elemental and Jesse Murphy as Sound Manipulation: Elemental. So if we applied this to the Heroes we know we'd get Hiro: Temporal/Spatial, Claire and Adam: Biological, Parkman: Cerebral, etc. I don't know, I found this new way of categorizing them, fascinating...

Did you see what power Peter's host has?

And I think Nikki, Jessica, Tracy's new power has something to do with the virus. Mohinder has said that its unique for each person and maybe the virus changed her reaction to the adrenaline. It makes sense to me.

Phenix
September 24th, 2008, 07:11 PM
I think that Linderman is dead, but that was Linderman from the past appearing before Nathan using someone else... Arthur Petrelli

I'd bet that Papa-Petrelli's power is the ability to appear to anyone at any time without anyone being able to see you, which explains Peter's trip in S1... And I bet he can take hitchhikers with him.

I think it has something to do with Peter using Linderman's power to heal him. Also, Nathan may just be plain insane and is just linking Linderman with this God figure.

Buddhawasanancient
September 24th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Did you see what power Peter's host has?

Sound Manipulation

Phenix
September 24th, 2008, 08:00 PM
About those Level 5 guys. Future Peter was in Level 5. Does he now have all their powers?

Shan Bruce Lee
September 24th, 2008, 10:19 PM
another solid ep with several twists and surprises. I'm looking forward to Mohinder's arc and how his new powers will change him. also Hiro's glimpse into the future was interesting, why would Ando kill him? it was really cool to see Bruce Boxleitner. anyway is it monday yet? :D

I've always loved the Hiro/Ando arcs. I think Hiro knowing and the way it's affected him so far is gonna continue to come between them and lead them to a point close to what Hiro saw.

J-Whitt Remastered
September 26th, 2008, 04:18 PM
I think that Linderman is dead, but that was Linderman from the past appearing before Nathan using someone else... Arthur Petrelli

I'd bet that Papa-Petrelli's power is the ability to appear to anyone at any time without anyone being able to see you, which explains Peter's trip in S1... And I bet he can take hitchhikers with him.

Sorry, if I'm an idiot but I have no idea what you're talking about here. What trip?

Buddhawasanancient
September 26th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Sorry, if I'm an idiot but I have no idea what you're talking about here. What trip?

At the end of Volume 1 Peter goes back in time in a kind of dream state and sees his younger self when he first met Charles Deveaux. Then Peter has a conversation with Charles...

J-Whitt Remastered
September 27th, 2008, 07:38 AM
At the end of Volume 1 Peter goes back in time in a kind of dream state and sees his younger self when he first met Charles Deveaux. Then Peter has a conversation with Charles...

Guess, I'll have to keep going back. I don't remember that part at all. Good thing I've been planning on watching all of season 1 again.

Buddhawasanancient
September 27th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Guess, I'll have to keep going back. I don't remember that part at all. Good thing I've been planning on watching all of season 1 again.

I believe it's in the finale, "How To Stop an Exploding Man", but it could also be the episode right b4 that...

Camelot
October 6th, 2008, 03:35 AM
It's in the finale, some minutes before the fight against Sylar at Kirby Plaza.

Dusk
October 11th, 2008, 08:34 AM
Pure..

Unrelenting..

Self-absorbed..

Ill-conceived..

RUBBISH!!

This show is dead to me. I cannot believe what has happened to all the solid, exceptional pulp the first season dished up in dollops. Here we have rehash after rehash, character rape, ludicrous and uncontrolled plot deviations, and to top it all off Heroes has gone and baptised itself in a bath of holy sh.... I'll stop myself short out of respect for fellow Gaters.

So now I know that using the writer's strike as an excuse for the horrid quality of the second season was a farce, because clearly these writers are still pulling ideas from places not even bacteria dare to tread.

A shame, a shame, such a shame. I'm sure some of you agree with me and some of you will continue to tune in convincing yourself that Heroes is actually the best show ever. It's these latter folks that truly have my pity and condolences.

Naonak
October 11th, 2008, 12:19 PM
Kristen Bell? Francis Capra? In the same scene...?

*sigh* I miss Veronica Mars... :(


:p

Matt G
October 14th, 2008, 04:35 AM
1. Not sure what to make of the new Mohinder - at any level.

2. No Hiro, blaming Ando for something that you've seen happen in the future isn't a good idea.

3. Villans on the loose. There goes the secrecy.

4. Nikki/Tracy. Hmmmm...my thinking is that somehow Nikki's personality got completely overwritten + granted new powers. Question then becomes who did it?

5. Sylar is a Petrelli. Yeah right!

Getting interesting.

garhkal
January 8th, 2016, 05:13 PM
Wow, what an ending. I definitely didn't see that coming. I think this season is going to be really great.

being i came into this whole show late, i already knew sylar was a third Petrelli
BUT i agree, it was a big shocker when mom told him.


It was a huge surprise to me. I'm not sure if I like it though - That's like the biggest plot-twist cliche'.

Did Elle die? I don't remember what happened to her at the end of the ep.

Nope. She just spassamed up a massive electrical blast that knocked the wind out of Sylar, but also released the others..[/quote]

And just HOW did future peter, knock past peter to being in that other guy??


And, finally, what is up with Mama Petrelli?! She is one cold-hearted you-know-what, isn't she?! Was she really messing with Sylar to brainwash him or is she really his mother? I mean, he has the same dark good looks as her other children and the same dangerous dark side, only he has let his dark side out to play in a big way, unlike her two "disappointing" sons.


She has always struck me as a psycho.. All the way since S1 when we learned it was HER manipulating Nathan into Letting NY get blown up, all to advance his career..



Agreed! It's Jessica btw. Would have been nice if all paparazzis could end up like that indeed ;)

Speaking of effects, I loved the faster then... time? effect. Really cool :D

There are plenty of times i also wish Paparazzi could end up that way as well..
And i agree, how they showed her 'pathway' as she ran off was supa cool.


Harumph.

You know, I honestly have to say that I'm getting sick of the "the world's gonna end unless we do something...AGAIN!" storyline. I mean, how many alternate futures where the world blows up are we going to see?

It makes me wonder too. But then again, maybe the future is always set to destroy earth, and every time we time mess with HOW, Fate kicks in a new version. That would also explain the whole "Heroes reborn" storyline..


Villains are always fun, and whenever a band of heroes is brought together, the bad guys follow suit. The Company’s little dungeon, a fixture since the first season, is the site of a Sylar-induced breakout, and now some of the most powerful and socially repugnant metahumans are on the street, killing and pillaging without a care.


But as we later learn, some of them are there cause of just one mistake, that does NOT make them socially repugnant. Also who is the 'company' to decide who is and isn't a threat to society. IMO Sylar is a heck of a lot more of a threat than some of them were..


In an interesting twist, Sylar does not get away during the breakout, and Angela seems to have plans for him. Not only that, but according to her, it’s a family issue; Sylar is apparently another Petrelli brother. At this rate, the Petrellis are going to be as large and dysfunctional as the Summers family from the “X-Men” books.


Or the Guthrie family (had sammeul, and iirc 3 other siblings who were X's)


Claire, on the other hand, is well on her way to becoming a villain. Her ability to experience pain was a touchstone, however disturbing as that might sound. She could at least pretend, on some level, that she was human. One has to wonder if Sylar did something intentionally to set Claire on her current path. Whatever the case, she’s losing perspective very, very quickly, and her descent seems assured.


I actually liked "Future dark Clair".. Seemed nice and heartless.


Speaking of Hiro, he’s being ridiculous with Ando. Ando tosses out a few good explanations for what Hiro saw in the future, but Hiro is being rather stubborn with his own interpretation. Will it ever occur to him that his distrustful attitude might be the main reason why Ando eventually turns on him? It’s a fairly old story, after all.


My thoughts exactly. I knew a few friends who's initial distrust in someone caused that other person to become an enemy, when had they NOT treated them that way they could have been a good friend.


Nor will I be surprised if it turns out to have terminal side effects in some of the recipients


Neither will i. BUT since he shows up in heroes reborn, he is not dead himself


I do like that Future Peter now gets to bear witness to the mess he's made. It's a shame time travelers aren't given a handbook explaining why changing the timeline is a Bad Thing. This isn't the first time something like this has happened and I doubt it'll be the last.


Maybe that is why in heroes reborn, Hiro is SOO reluctant to 'step on butterflies..'



Anyway, I thought the rest was kinda meh although I'll be curious to see how Matt does with the Walkabout dude. I was convinced he'd been booted to Fourecks Australia and kept looking for drop bears kangaroos or something. The painting and the guy with the visions reminded me strongly of the Creator dude Rincewind met in Last Continent.


I am also wondering, is EVERY precog, a painter and do their eyes always gloss over white??


I wonder why Future Peter trapped Pete in the body of a powered inmate but dropped Matt in the middle of Africa? And both in contemporary times? If I really wanted to make sure someone couldn't interfere I'd move them in time as well as space. Or even just time. Send Matt back to deal with the Dinosaurs of New York-to-be.


Maybe he secretly wanted them to have a chance of returning???



Another thing I noticed was when Noah was showing Claire the computer files of the Level 5 inmates you could clearly see some pretty interesting info if you pause it. It seems as if they break them down into 4 distinct categories: Biological, Cerebral, Elemental, and Temporal/Spatial. It had Knox listed as Enhanced Strength: Cerebral, Flint as Pyrokinesis: Cerebral (although I think that was a mistake and he shopuld be listed as Elemental. Fire is an element, no?), The German was listed as Magneticism: Elemental and Jesse Murphy as Sound Manipulation: Elemental. So if we applied this to the Heroes we know we'd get Hiro: Temporal/Spatial, Claire and Adam: Biological, Parkman: Cerebral, etc. I don't know, I found this new way of categorizing them, fascinating...

I too loved that classification system, but think they could have done listing it into 5 groupings. Mental=self, Mental others, elemental, temporal/spacial and biological..
Though i wonder, which Mica and his cousin would class as (the girl from S2 who could mimic wha she saw physically)???


About those Level 5 guys. Future Peter was in Level 5. Does he now have all their powers?

Good question, but i think there is something special about those cells, so no one's power can affect the outside, which imo would block off peter from absorbing them.